1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can open us by singing 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: the I Love Lucy theme song I wanted to, and 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: I feel like it's not in public domain considering it's 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: still on Hulu. I mean, people still own the rights 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 1: to I Love Lucy. Yeah, one day we'll be able 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: to sing it for free. But now, well, imagine I'm 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: singing it while Diana says, Oh what am I saying? 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. Welcome back to the show. 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: Everyone is welcome back. So happy to have you this episode. Oh, 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: I know you're thirsty for part two of this one 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: because I am literally I think it's water over here. Ah, water, 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: America's water. Stay hydrated out there. Yes, it's important for 13 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: your skin, it's good for your organs. Yeah, it's good 14 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: for your breathing down, your brain probably probably good for everything. 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: It's water, I tell you it's a water is good 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: for your brain because if you don't ever drink water, Uh, 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: your brain will die. So okay, that's fair. Yeah, hey, uh, 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: it's so great to have you back for part two 19 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: of Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz. Yes, two of the 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: coolest people who ever lived who happens to have a 21 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: very tumultuous relationship. Um, but that's what brings them here 22 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: to ridiculous romance. If they had just been a boring 23 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: old married couple who were on TV, then um, they'd 24 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: be who's the boring old married couples on TV? Rock 25 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: and Michelle Obama. That's when I said, think of a 26 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: boring married couple on TV. You immediately went to the Obama's. 27 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: They're not very boring people, but their their relationships is 28 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: kind of boring because it's so stable and normal. I 29 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: was thinking, like, you know, uh, Kevin James is probably married. 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: I was trying to think of an actual couple. I 31 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: know I was too. I'm not saying Kevin James Leah Remedy. 32 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: I was just thinking of, like, I don't know, Kevin 33 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: James wife might be a producer or something, and they 34 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: might be very exciting. So who knows, Maybe we'll be 35 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: doing the Kevin James episode before you know. Wow, that 36 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: would be a shock. But hey, you know, who knows, 37 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: Kevin James, if you're listening, tell us all your secrets. 38 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: Maybe an episode. I don't know if I want Kevin 39 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: James's secrets. Yeah, I guess it's hard to name a 40 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: boring couple because I don't know until you look into it. 41 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: You just never know. Some people hide multitudes. But before 42 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: we get into the really amazing life of the I 43 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: Love Lucy Show, we first have a mail call awesome. 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: So this one's super cool. Kendra reached out to us 45 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: on Instagram and she said, I recently listened to your 46 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: episodes on Hadrian and Antonis right before I traveled to 47 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: Grease where I am now. I mentioned your episode to 48 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: the guide and they showed me a statue related to 49 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: that story. Thought i'd share, and she sent us a 50 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: picture of one of the surviving statues of Antonus. That's 51 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: so cool if you go back and listen to the 52 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: Hadrian and Antona's story if you haven't yet. Uh, there 53 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: was a whole cult built around Antonus and they would 54 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: build statues of him in their cities just to get 55 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: the emperor to favor them. Um. And there was I 56 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: think hundreds of these statues. Obviously, I think there's only 57 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: a few hundreds surviving. Yeah, I can't remember now. Very 58 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: cool that Kendra got to see one, and also very 59 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: cool of Kendra to be out here telling not just 60 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: her friends and neighbors, uncles, and aunts, but her tour 61 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: guides in Greece Total Strangers be more like Kendra, tell 62 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: Total strangers in Greece to listen to Ridiculous Romance. It 63 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: doesn't fit in the out tra music, but I feel 64 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: like maybe we can wedge it in there, find a 65 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: way to shorn it in. Tell your friends, neighbors, uncle's 66 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: and aunts, your tour guides in Greece, and any strangers 67 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: you come across. Well, it's a little we'll have to 68 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: spend some time on it. You know. It's no, it's 69 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: no too many girls, it's no halle hallelujah. I'm a bum, 70 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: but I go out a night and I get me 71 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: some hallelujah. Oh wow, we got the second verse. I 72 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: told you there's more to it. I was just oh, well, 73 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much Kendra for sending that in. Yes, 74 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: that was very cool to see actual statue of Antonist 75 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: out in the wild. Now I want to go. We 76 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: haven't been to Greece. No, I have been to Greece. 77 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you've been. If you get a chance, I 78 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: told Kendra, if she gets a chance to see Santorini, 79 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: do it because it's just gorgeous and it's really beautiful, 80 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: So anyway, we're definitely gonna go there. Isn't that like 81 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: what you do in Greece. Probably, I don't know. I 82 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: thought Santorini was one of those like go two places, 83 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: but maybe not. It probably is. I mean we we went, 84 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: so it's definitely and we have were doing like a cruise, 85 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: like a Mediterranean cruise thing. So if it was on 86 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: a port then probably it is pretty touristic. But it 87 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: was really cool and I loved it. It was beautiful 88 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: and it was like the most blue water ever. If 89 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 1: you go to the United States, you got to see 90 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: New York City. A lot of people won't tell you this, 91 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: but it's off the beaten path. Yeah, there's a little 92 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: something there they called Disney World. Uh, tell us, shoot 93 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: us a message and tell us where to go in 94 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: your home country. Yeah. We love to travel and we're 95 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: really hoping to get back to it to some point 96 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: when that's a little easier. But yeah, so please send us. 97 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: Yeah ship to do and where you live, Kase, we 98 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: would live to dream over future trips. Yeah, we were 99 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: your recommendations. But for now we're dreaming about Lucille Ball 100 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: and Desi Arnaz and they're amazing, rocky, strange, bizarre and 101 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 1: incredible life together and apart, And uh, I think that 102 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: we've got to get into part two. So what do 103 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: you say We jump in, Let the hay the French 104 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: come listen. Well, Elia and Diana got some stories to tell. 105 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: There's no match making, a romantic tips. It's just about 106 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: ridiculous relationships, a love it might be any type of 107 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: person at all, and abstract cons that are a concrete wall. 108 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: But if there's a story, were the second glance ridiculous? 109 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: Rolett's a production of I Heart Radio. So when last 110 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: we spoke at the end of part one, Desi had 111 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: sealed the greatest deal in television history by getting them 112 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: to agree to let them shoot in Los Angeles on 113 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: film and take a pay cut in exchange for, you know, 114 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: just the rights to the reruns, which was an insanely 115 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: good deal because nobody knew what reruns were at the time. 116 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: We sure do now, although I guess in a way 117 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: reruns are falling out of favor because if it's streaming, 118 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: you can just watch any episode any time. For you 119 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: youngsters out there, there was a point where you had 120 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: to wait for an episode to come back on again. 121 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: A second time, and usually a show has had to 122 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: reach a hundred episodes before it went into syndication to 123 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: be shown you know, weekly on reruns and stuff. So 124 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: there were some shows you even even recently, there were 125 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: some shows you saw once and until streaming came along, 126 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: you never saw again. Yeah, so very true. It is 127 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: a different time. I'm back in our childhood. But shooting 128 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: on film changed a lot for Lucy and DESI. It 129 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: gave them a lot more to work with. They really 130 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: wanted to focus on quality and innovation when it came 131 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: to make an I Love Lucy, So they asked their 132 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: cinematographer friend, Carl Floyd it was a German cinematographer, to 133 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: come and work on the show as their director of photography. 134 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: He was the DP on the movies Metropolis, which if 135 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: you're into old movies, or even if you're not, Metropolis 136 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: is really awesome. Uh. It was one of those film 137 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: school movies where I was like, Okay, there's an old 138 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: classic movie. I guess I have to watch it so 139 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: that I can, you know, join those conversations with film. Yeah. 140 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: But then I watched it and I was like, oh, 141 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: this is a super cool movie. It's pretty awesome. Sometimes 142 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: they're classic for a reason. Oh yeah. So he was 143 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: DP on Metropolis, also Boris Karlov's Dracula, and he actually 144 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: directed Karlov's The Mummy. So this guy was a big deal, right. 145 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: Karl Freund was where it was at in the nineteen fifties, 146 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: and he initially didn't want anything to do with television. 147 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: He was kind of like this beneath me. I will 148 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: not sully my career with such a useless mediums television 149 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: real artists on the back. But it's a big screen. 150 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: Yeah that don't do this little thing. This is for 151 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: children steal. It's sclean, stilly, little, tiny, tiny TV screens. 152 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: I'm not interested in your little TV shows. He's got 153 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: a lot of sides. We'll find him. He'll be around 154 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: a lot, we'll find this voice. So he's not into 155 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: it initially, but Lucy and Desi went to him personally 156 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: and they sat him down and they just charmed the 157 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: absolute hell out of this guy. And he's like, all right, 158 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: this challenge seems worthy of my efforts, and they he 159 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: agrees to do the show together. They're going to revolutionize 160 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: the sitcom and they all know it. I mean, they're 161 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: gonna do it, or they're gonna die trying because they're not. 162 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: They're not going to do things the usual way. They've 163 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: already shaken it up. A few years back, the show 164 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: Amos and Andy was trying to save money so they 165 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: could keep making more episodes, and they figured out that 166 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: it was cheaper to use three cameras and shoot simultaneously 167 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: and then cut that footage together, rather than the previous format, 168 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: which was to shoot each scene several times with one 169 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: camera pointing in different directions. So Carl is like, step one, 170 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm stealing zat yoing. I'm just gonna borrow this little 171 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: format here, and I'm going to make some magic hopping. 172 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: And he did with his skill as a cinematographer, and 173 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: that format it became the shooting style that we know 174 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: today on those famous three camera sitcoms. We're talking, you know, 175 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: from the nineties, Friends and Seinfeld, we're talking all in 176 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: the family, going back earlier than that, Happy Days. Uh, 177 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm just going back in time. But but two and 178 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: a half men, I think I don't know, I stopped 179 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: watching three cameras. It comes a while ago, but they 180 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: still happened. Yeah. Meanwhile, Daisy is a performer. We know this, 181 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: but he's a band leader. He used to he's used 182 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: to live club theater. He's used to being in the 183 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: room with people beating off of their energy. And that 184 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: is real people, all right, And we all know it 185 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: now because the pandemic. But like people saw comedy shows 186 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: and theater and stuff through their screen, and you know, 187 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: it was different. It's not the same without there's an 188 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: exchange that happens. And I could talk to you about 189 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: it for hours on end, but I'm not going to. Um, 190 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: but it is a really powerful exchange and uh, it's 191 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: kind of is the magic of live performance. Um. It 192 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: happens in concerts and it happens in theater as well, 193 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: And so he was kind of like, Hey, I want 194 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: a live studio audience. I want people in the room 195 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: to laugh at these jokes. It really makes a difference. 196 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: And this was completely unprecedented. So CBS freaked out like 197 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: they always did whenever they try to bring something cool 198 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: to the table. Yeah, They're like, you are you are 199 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: you crazy? There's so many issues here. People live people. 200 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: While we're shooting a TV show, people are unpredictable, Like 201 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: they're gonna laugh at all the wrong times. They're gonna 202 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: be noisy, they're gonna be smelly, they're gonna, you know, 203 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: be coughing and farting, and like, they're gonna make this impossible. 204 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: They're gonna throw tomatoes when they don't like the jokes. Probably, 205 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: isn't that what people do? I don't know. I haven't 206 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,239 Speaker 1: met common people ever since I became a CBS executive. 207 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: I like tomatoes that they also though, they did point 208 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: out that the fire code made it impossible as well. 209 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: They were like, it's you know, they're thinking about their 210 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: normal way of doing things, their regular system, and they're like, 211 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: you can't have a hundred people an extra hundred people 212 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: on a sound stage while we shoot TV because there's 213 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: there's big sets, and you're gonna have to move them 214 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: around while you change the set and you change the 215 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: there's nowhere for them to sit. There's it's just you're 216 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: talking about a whole big mess. We're shooting in the 217 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: kitchen right now, but the living rooms on the other 218 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: side of the sound stage. You gotta get everybody up 219 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: and walk them over there. It's gonna take extra time. 220 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: And then yeah, if there's a fire or something like, 221 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: we're all gonna die. So they said, nope, it's gonna 222 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: be canned leafter canned laughter. We love it. That's the 223 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: magic of television, so deal with it. That's what they've 224 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: been doing for years. Was just like you get prerecorded laughter, 225 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: you added in after a joke, you probably play it 226 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: live while they're filming, and you're like, yeah, how is 227 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: that any different than a live audience. We can control it, 228 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, we can control how much laughing is like, 229 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: get a lot of control over that. So Desi and 230 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: Carl Freund, who are not ones to you know, just 231 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: sit back and say whatever you say bo you know. Ah, 232 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: he said, no, I guess we're not doing it. No, no, no. 233 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: They got together and they started laying out design concepts. 234 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: They're like, okay, well, what if it's not just big 235 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: random sets laid out around the studio. What if all 236 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: the sets are side by side, all facing the same 237 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: direction towards a row of audience seats. They won't have 238 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: to move, they can watch the whole thing from where 239 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: they are, and there's a clear exit in case of 240 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: a fire, just like a theater. Do it like theater? 241 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: And the CBS executives are like, well, hot, damn does 242 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: he think you did it again. I'm so glad I 243 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: had this idea to bring in a live studio audiences. 244 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: I sure am, I'm a very I pictured myself as 245 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: a very large man with a cigar and a thin mustache, 246 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: of course, and like the three camera format, this set 247 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: up with a live studio audience with the sets all 248 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: facing the same direction, side by side. Again, this is 249 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: the way many sitcoms are still filmed today, seventy years later. 250 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just the arrangement and camera layout, a 251 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: laundry list of camera elements that are standard for modern sitcoms, 252 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: like close ups, medium shots, long shots. They were all 253 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: polished and perfected by freund On. I Love Lucy. Shows 254 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: used to have to reset their lighting depending on which 255 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: actors the camera was focusing on, but Carl developed a 256 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: flat lighting technique and it naturally lit the whole set 257 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: without having to make a lot of major adjustments between shots, 258 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: which can be very time constrom and obviously for an audience, 259 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: incredibly boring, so you'd lose all that energy you're getting. 260 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: And if there were any shadow issues, he brought in 261 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: paint in all different shades of gray, so you could 262 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: just paint the gray the right way so it didn't 263 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: show that insane. Oh there's a weird shadow of some 264 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: of our equipment here, so that's a darker gray than 265 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: the rest of the set. And he's like, well, paint 266 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: that a very light gray and then when the shadow 267 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: hits it, it'll look the same as the rest of 268 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: the wall. That's so crazy. See they were thinking, like 269 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: no rules, you know what I mean. When some people 270 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: can really remove boundaries, you can tell like there's some 271 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: and it seems so like I'm sure when he said it, 272 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: people are like, what of gray paint? Like what is 273 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: this German guy? But like it worked, and it was 274 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: like simple and effective and weird and it worked. Do 275 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: not scoff at the gray painting technique, you know, not 276 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: what you say. And of course the live audience was 277 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: a hit. Does he knew they'd behave themselves? He trusted 278 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: a live audience that was his people. You know, we've 279 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: talked about this. The guy came from the club scene 280 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: and then combined that with his experience in vaudeville and 281 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: Lucille's experience in vaudeville theater. It gave them the realistic 282 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: energy that just hadn't been felt on TV before, and 283 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: they would have regular audiences of returning people, and if 284 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: an actor wasn't in a scene, they would go out 285 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: and sit in the audience as well and join in 286 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: the laughter. In fact, you can regularly hear desis Arnez's 287 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: signature laugh just echoing through the studio when, like, you know, 288 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: it was a scene of Lucy and Ethel getting into 289 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: their Shenanigans or something like that, you can hear that 290 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: and you know it when you hear it, that very 291 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: distinct Desi Arnez laugh. Sometimes you'll hear a woman saying 292 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: who when something crazy happens, and that is Lucille Ball's 293 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: mother d D. She became a regular audience member as well, 294 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: a family affair exactly at CBS, we're mindblown again by 295 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: the incredible innovation the team. What a great idea they 296 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: were like, oh boy, this live studio audience laughter is 297 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: the way to go. Yeah, you're welcome, world. We did it. 298 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: We did it, Let's do it again. Yeah. So what 299 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: did they do? Did they convert every other sitcom to 300 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: a live studio audience and get the same effect. No, silly, 301 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: because that would be expensive. They just recorded the laughter 302 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: from the I Love Lucy live studio audience and used 303 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: it on other shows. No, you Dane dogs wrong, Lesson, 304 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: that's not that's not what we're supposed to take from this. 305 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: They left to sound so much more spontaneous than the 306 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: other leafter, let's can that spontaneous laughter, and then it'll 307 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: sound more spontaneous when it's can lighter and another show, 308 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: it's brilliant, Larry, here's a bag of money so much. 309 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: I didn't do anything, but it's so crazy. You can 310 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: hear desi arnez is. That's the same crazy signature laugh 311 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: on all kinds of other sitcoms from the fifties, which 312 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: is so funny that he had this signature laugh. And 313 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: they're like, desi arnaz it is just in the audience 314 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: for every show show he's so supportive. Oh my god, 315 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,719 Speaker 1: that's insane that they're like, that's laughter. It's it's it's fresh, 316 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: it's it's new, it's live, it's the actors are feeding 317 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: off of it. That's so great. We'll do it on 318 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: every show, by which I mean we'll just steal, like 319 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: you're not getting what you want. Here's the thing though, 320 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: not those other shows. They're all that funny you know, 321 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: getting the laugh so we'll get the laughs from the 322 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: funny show. Maybe some people will be tricked and they 323 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: think of that, enough funny shows. A funny show. Oh 324 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: F Troops really not selling this week? Give me some 325 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: of that laughter from I Love Lucy anyway? Any F 326 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: Troop fans out there. Okay, we're talking about what a 327 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: difference Lucy and Desi made in this industry, right and 328 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: how how different TV would be today if they hadn't 329 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: done what they did because they revolutionized the sitcom and 330 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: we're literally still watching. It's not even like they did 331 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: some things and those eventually turned into what we're watching today. 332 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: We're literally watching what they did today. So with that 333 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: in mind, speculation station, what the hell would have happened 334 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: if Lucille Ball had been cast in Gone with the Wind? 335 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean completely different. We'd be talking 336 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: about how Vivian Lee, the least funny sitcom actress in 337 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: TV history on the show I Love Vivian that lasted 338 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: three episodes before it was canceled. Would we even know 339 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: anything about Vivian Lee because, as you pointed out, we 340 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,239 Speaker 1: don't know much of about her. Now I'm sure she 341 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: worked in the time, so I don't know, but but yeah, 342 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: how weird if sitcoms might not be the same at all. 343 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: Like I wonder if if it's possible that someone else 344 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: would have thought of some of these innovations. But I mean, 345 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: it's pretty incredible that they caught so many lightnings in 346 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: a bottle at the same time, you know what I mean. 347 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: It's just one of those butterfly effect things where I 348 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: don't know if this I don't know that somebody else 349 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: would have come up with the same thing because it 350 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: was so unique to Lucy and daisis live experience and 351 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: their and their ability as producers. Because any other you know, 352 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: vaudeville actor might have gotten a TV show. But if 353 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: they didn't have the business savvy to be absolutely in 354 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: charge of every element and the smoothness to talk their 355 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: way into doing what they wanted to do, then I 356 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: don't think anybody else could have pulled it off. I 357 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: think the studio would have just kept doing it the 358 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: way they wanted to do it. That would have evolved 359 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: into something that we probably can't even imagine today, you know. 360 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: They maybe maybe it just would have gotten to the 361 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: single camera comedies that we watched today faster, or maybe 362 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: TV would have died. I mean, certainly, I tell you 363 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: one thing, the entire culture of celebrities in television comedy 364 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: today would probably be a completely different set of people. Yeah, 365 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: I mean, think of how many people got famous in 366 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: the three camera sitcom format. Jason Bateman, are are good 367 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: friend in front of the show, Jason Bateman? Or um 368 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: our good friend in front of the show? Kevin James, 369 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: I mean a good friend in front of the show? 370 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: Will Smith? Sure, yeah, definitely another excellent three camera sitcom 371 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: fresh Prince of bel Air and another great friend. And 372 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: he's a he's a good friend. All this the whole cast. 373 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: It was nice to have them here last week. But 374 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: I know, I couldn't believe they both came. But yeah, 375 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: an Alfonso, I mean, you know, we thought it was 376 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: gonna be trouble, but they all got along time. It 377 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: was a really nice time. I forgot to email them 378 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: afterwards and say thanks for coming. But I'm sure they'll 379 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: be fine with it. We can do it today. Oh 380 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: that's a good idea, you know what, We'll just do 381 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: it right now. Hey, y'all, since I know you're listening 382 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: to the show, Thank you for coming the other night 383 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: cast of Fresh Prince of bel Air. It was so nice, 384 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: lovely having you. Um and uh, yes we we are 385 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: in for each of your next projects. All right, we 386 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: better pull out of speculation station get back to the 387 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: all right. Of course, they did clash on some creative ideas. 388 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: For example, what we saw in the show was dasise 389 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: choices to play Fred and Ethel actors Vivian Vance and 390 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: William Frawley. Lucy had wanted another actress that she knew, 391 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: Babe Benderette and her friend Gail Gordon from Radio Lucy's 392 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: old We talked about him in the first part, but 393 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: they would They had a working relationship for fifty years. Oh, 394 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: they were very close colleagues and friends. And ultimately the 395 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: network sided with DESI and they cast Vivian and William, 396 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: who are the Fred and Ethel that we know and 397 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: love today. I mean, they're hilarious on that show. But overall, 398 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: their creative differences weren't really a source of friction in 399 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: their relationship. All of their screaming and yelling and fighting 400 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: stemmed from more personal matters, and there was a lot 401 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: of screaming, yelling and fighting. Um, they both wanted children, 402 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: but there was one continuous struggle that they were dealing with. 403 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,719 Speaker 1: Up to this point, they had suffered three miscarriages together, 404 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: and that wasn't like a source of friction per se, 405 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: like they were being cruel to each other about it 406 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: or something. Um but Daisi especially came from a large family, 407 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: many many children. They both were feeling like they wanted 408 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: something in their lives that was starting to feel unattainable. 409 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: And you know, there's a lot of people out there 410 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: with fertility issues, and it can be such a sort 411 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,479 Speaker 1: of heartache to be so desperate for something that seems 412 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: to be coming so easily for other people especially you know, 413 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: we all know we have those baby waves and the 414 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: people in our lives where it seems like everyone you 415 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: know is pregnant or something like. And if you're struggling 416 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: with fertility in that time, it can be very dark, 417 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, it can be I think just to wait, 418 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: you know, and it can be an enormous weight in 419 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: a relationship and drag everything down and down and down. 420 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people know that, hopefully, and 421 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: you know, you have what they clearly seem to have, 422 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: which is at least some support for each other and 423 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't like a blame game or something. You know, 424 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: nothing cruel like I say, nothing cruel from Daisy, like 425 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: where I don't need to get pregnant or something. Nothing 426 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: like that. Um, but anyway, just to say that's you know, 427 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: if you're out there with a fertility issue, we see you. 428 00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: It's very hard and thinking about you. Unfortunately, their creative 429 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: baby is being developed in nineteen fifty with I Love Lucy, 430 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: and they got pregnant and their first child was born 431 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: in nine fifty one, just before the show started to shoot, 432 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: and that was their daughter, Lucy with an I E 433 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: said of a y just a differentiator from her mother 434 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: even where you say it sounds And despite their business 435 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: and creative unity, things have been really rocky in their marriage. 436 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: Lucilla really hoped that their daughter would smooth things out 437 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: and fix the problems they were having. This common misconception, 438 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: I think that a baby can fix it. It's common 439 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: misconception that conception well solve your problems. Is there a 440 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: conception joke here? I found it. I'm glad, thank you 441 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: for finding that. Uh, usually babies just make it more complicated. 442 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, So she was hoping Daisy would 443 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: stop his wandering eye, that he would be more focused 444 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: on being the family man that she won at him 445 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: to be. And again he wanted children to so that's 446 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: kindly possibly get really wrapped up in his family and 447 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: things were better for a time, does he reportedly stopped 448 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: his womanizing habits. Working together in l A really seemed 449 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: to help the to solidify their relationship in the early days. 450 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: Um so they were doing really well there for a minute, 451 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: and she probably was like, yes, babies fix everything right. 452 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: And the show, of course, we don't need to tell 453 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: you was an immediate hit. Everybody's talking about I Love Lucy. 454 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: Their existing celebrity was exponentially increased all across America. People 455 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: are slapping their thighs and choking on their TV dinners 456 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: from laughing so hard at Lucy and Ricky's antics. I mean, 457 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: this was just the talk of the town. Hundreds of 458 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: people a year choked to death from laughing and I 459 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: Love Lucy success on CBS. Tune in and choked to death. 460 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: Maybe don't eat while you watching. And so, of course 461 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: the show was obviously renewed without question. CBS as dollar 462 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: signs in their eyes, and again I'm just They're like, oh, 463 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: we're so smart putting an interracial, wacky couple on TV. 464 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: It's exactly what America wanted. Bags of money all around 465 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: for us, look like so much. Three cheers for me. 466 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, everybody's happy and things are going great, which 467 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: seems like a great place for us to just kind 468 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: of sit in this positive environment for a few seconds 469 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: while we take a quickly commercial make and welcome back 470 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: to the show, everybody. So just as season two, If 471 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: I Love Lucy was moving into production, Lucy and Dessie 472 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: were surprised with a second pregnancy. I guess we don't 473 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: you know, if it was a surprise. It was like, well, 474 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: we definitely were having sex and hoping for a child. Maybe, 475 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: so yeah, it seemed ill timed anyway, so it might 476 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: have been a surprise. Might have been a surprise. Yeah, 477 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: speculation station. They were surprised, a great surprise. So there 478 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: was no way that Lucy was not going to be 479 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: very obviously pregnant long before the season was through, and 480 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people think that this was TV's first 481 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: on air pregnancy. Actually, in the show, Mary Kay and 482 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: Johnny wrote the lead actress is pregnancy into the plot 483 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: because hiding it was proving to be too difficult. How 484 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: many very difficult to pregnant? How many pillows could she 485 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: carry around before it looks weird? I live on Brooklyn 486 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: Amy Santiago. In one season, the actual actress is pregnant. 487 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: She's always carrying this enormous purse on whichever arm or 488 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: bellies facing out. So it's funny when you when you 489 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: can catch it. When you go they're pregnant, You're like, 490 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: I see you putting her behind a desk all the time. 491 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: She's always like looking up from the bridge or something. 492 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: Hide nerd values somewhere. Yeah, they're just wearing real loose 493 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: stresses out of nowhere. So anyway, there was precedent to 494 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: having pregnancy shown on television, but as usual, our friends 495 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: at CBS, we're very like freaking out a pregnant woman 496 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: on TV. Oh wait, we keep telling the kids to 497 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: come from storks. What are we gonna do? Tell me, 498 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: little sill, Yeah, I think of the children. How are 499 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: we supposed to explain this? Yeah, hets and minds across America. 500 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: We'll just start projectile vomiting at the television mentioned of 501 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: America life. It's completely unethical this goes against the will 502 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,959 Speaker 1: of God himself. The show or talking about a pregnant 503 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: woman on TV, it's like, do you all know where 504 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: babies come from? For real? Like you've never seen a 505 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: pregnant woman? Like do you have children? Does your wife? 506 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: Is she okay? Desi Arnez who is a man who 507 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: seems to take glee in pushing the envelope and challenging 508 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: the studio's decisions, which I love. Every time that he's 509 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: told no, he's like, let me just work around that. 510 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: I'll just work around that. Let me turn that no 511 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: into ah, yes, we would love for you to do that. 512 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: And so he's like, oh, I'm sorry Americans won't like it. 513 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: Let me go ask America real quick. And he literally 514 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: he rounds up a Catholic priest, a rabbi, and a 515 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: Protestant minister, and I guess they walk into a bar 516 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: kin of pregnant woman Beyonce. Literally he says, hey, do 517 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: you guys have a problem with pregnant women existing? And 518 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: they all go consult with their very us, God's or 519 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: whatever and they come back and they're like, no, that's 520 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: dumb as hell. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. 521 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: You can absolutely show a pregnant woman, and you can 522 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: talk about a pregnant woman. That's all hunky dorry. No 523 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: God would forbid that. That's insane. So it turns out 524 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: Jesus was born literally there's a very prominent pregnant woman 525 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: in the story of the Bible. Like in the Bible, 526 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: there's pregnancy. So the CBS executives are like, okay, okay, okay, okay, 527 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: you're twisted my arm. Fine, you can have a pregnancy 528 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: storyline on the show. You can show it, but oh god, 529 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: you can't say the p word pregnant. Why why shocking? 530 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: You know, why was pregnant the word that Emily's across 531 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: America just couldn't handle the mention. I think it's just 532 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: the idea of human and out of me existing. The 533 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: mere suggestion that sex is a thing that exists in 534 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: the real world was just too clutching pearls. I've never 535 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: it's not gonna go give me some pearls so I 536 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: could clutch them. So they never say pregnant on the show. 537 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: They will say expecting or they will say infanticipating, which 538 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: is so much worse than pregnant. Truly awful. Do not 539 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: say the word infanticipating to me ever, please thank you. 540 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: I hate it. I would stop watching a TV show 541 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: if they said that word. Also, how is infanticipating worse 542 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: than pregnant? I mean better than pregnant? Like that's so 543 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: much worse than pregnant anyway, d the storylines a hit 544 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: because somehow Americans were able to relate to a wife 545 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: being pregnant. Yeah, nobody knows about pregnancy. That's not going 546 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: to play. How many American audiences have ever heard of 547 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: pregnancy before? One of them? Everyone who was ever born. 548 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: On January the episode Lucy Goes to the Hospital aired 549 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: with over seventy one of American televisions tuned in, and 550 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: the episode was intentionally time to air the same day 551 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: that Lucy old Ball had a c section and delivered 552 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: their son, Desi Arnez the fourth cute. That's cute. That 553 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: is almost a gimmick. Yeah, little little publicity. Hey, Lucy, 554 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: how'd you like to have your c section next Thursday? 555 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: She's like, it's supposed to be this Wednesday. Can you 556 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: put it off because we're trying to do this whole 557 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: thing with the episode airing at the same time. Okay, 558 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: I can I can I cross my legs? Until then 559 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: more people tuned into that episode. Then the following morning's 560 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: coverage of the inauguration of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, So 561 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: America was basically like, Hey, I like Aike, but I 562 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 1: like Little Ricky Moore. Where's that button? Right? I like 563 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: Little Ricky. Out of its six seasons, four seasons of 564 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: I Love Lucy were the most watched show in the 565 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 1: United States. The show won the Emmy for Best Comedy 566 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: Program in nineteen fifty three and fifty four. Lucille Ball 567 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: was nominated several times, and she won in nineteen fifty 568 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: three and nineteen fifty six. Vivian Vance was nominated a 569 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: bunch of times, and she won in nineteen fifty four. 570 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: William Frawley was nominated several times himself, yet there were 571 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,919 Speaker 1: no Emmy nominations for Desi Arnez. In nineteen fifty six, 572 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: he was awarded a Golden Globe for Best Television Achievement 573 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: for his work in front of and behind the camera 574 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: to help shape the America and sitcom. But kind of 575 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: insane that he was never given, you know, an Emmy nomination, 576 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: and it makes me pull into speculation station here, even 577 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 1: though it's not really a speculation at all that it's 578 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:20,439 Speaker 1: almost like William, Yeah, sure, we'll nominate him. Vivian, Yeah, sure, 579 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: let's nominate her. Lucille, of course, you've got to nominate her. 580 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: How about Desi Arnez. I don't know. Something about him 581 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: is different that just makes me not feel like he 582 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: deserves recognition. I mean, come on, guyslus clearly, I mean, 583 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 1: Desi Arnaz was the only weak link in Freaking I 584 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: love Oh my god, they're all hilarious, but I the 585 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: times I have just died laughing at one of his 586 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: facial expressions. I mean his like the way his exasperated, 587 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: like Unlyssie's doing something crazy. It's just unmatched. It's brilliant. 588 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: Think the man is as good on camera as he 589 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: is in the in the offices. He's a genius. He's 590 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: one of a kind and insane and obvious that he 591 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: was not given awards recognition for that. So you know, 592 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: I don't know who knows why they decided to pass 593 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: over him. We may never be able to understand. Total mystery. 594 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: Big shrug. I don't know what's different about Desi Arnaz 595 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: from the rest of his cast mates. Come on concin 596 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: about the show was so big everyone wanted to be involved. 597 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,760 Speaker 1: Guest stars like Bob Hope, John Wayne, Eve Arden, Harpo, 598 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 1: Marx Orson, Welles head A Hopper, Red Skelton, Milton Burrow, 599 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: and even George Reeves as Superman appeared on the show. Amazing. 600 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:56,800 Speaker 1: That means Ricky and Lucy are d c canon. Yes, hello, 601 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: so w B. If you're trying to be out here, 602 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: can beating with m c U. I think you know 603 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: what to do? Can we please get down of Lucy? 604 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: You know, Justice League with Ricky Ricardo. Let's speculation station. 605 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: Maybe that's what they're gonna do with this new Aeron 606 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: Sorkin movie they're making about Lucy and Desh. My god, 607 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: absolutely not Aeron Sarkin would never get into the superhero game, 608 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: But wouldn't it be great if they spun it off, 609 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: just stuck them in there. They're like, listen, they say 610 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: it seemed like Heroes to me. What a crossover? So yeah, together, 611 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: as we keep saying, they're an industry powerhouse. But Desi 612 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: alone was a master businessman and artist. Lucille once said 613 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: Daisi revolutionized television. At first, everybody thought it was me 614 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: who was calling the shots and making the decisions. But 615 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: it was when we started doing other series besides our own, 616 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: and I never showed up at a meeting that they 617 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: believe that DESI as the brains. You gotta show up 618 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: to meetings, guys, right, that's how you get shipped. Then, 619 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: his daughter Lucy pointed out that his presence on television 620 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: gave him more power in the business world. She said 621 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 1: it was good for him that he was that lunatic 622 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: cuban in people's living rooms every Monday night, because he 623 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: would call them up on Tuesday and negotiate as the 624 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: head of Desilu. So basically had this wacky comedy persona 625 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: that everybody thought he was. We kind of get their 626 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 1: guard down about him. And then he showed up the 627 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 1: next days Mr Business and starts calling the shots and 628 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: making demands and being like, how about I just totally 629 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,240 Speaker 1: innovate this entire system that you think I can't change. 630 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 1: WHOA I thought you were just a silly congo leader, 631 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: you know, and I am. Yeah. They all started on 632 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: the whole board room and starts doing the congo liner 633 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: on the table and they're like, I don't know what's happened, 634 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: but it's it's the magic hilling. What did I say 635 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: yes to? Who cares? Let him do it? On her end, 636 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: Lucy was finally the star that she set out to be, 637 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: and here she is advancing the cause of women in comedy. 638 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people thought at the time that, 639 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,279 Speaker 1: you know, the woman role in the sitcom had to 640 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: be something very specific, that there was a place, there 641 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,439 Speaker 1: was a certain side of behaviors they had to have that. 642 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's true, but Lucy totally broke that open. 643 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 1: I think definitely. She admitted that she had developed bravery 644 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: as an actress through her years, so she was getting 645 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: that confidence that she didn't have originally, you know. And 646 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: she knew she was shy and and wasn't kind of 647 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: willing to step forward and take the stage when she 648 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: was younger, and now she really felt the strength and 649 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,720 Speaker 1: the power to do that. So this was so different 650 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: from her days in school. With that attention. Hug Betty Davis, 651 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: She's Betty sit out. But she still didn't consider herself 652 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 1: a natural comedian, right She said that she was terrible 653 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: at table reads. A lot of people thought her abilities 654 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,439 Speaker 1: came so naturally to her, but she actually put a 655 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: lot of work into each and every beat. She would 656 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: take the script home each night and she would read 657 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,160 Speaker 1: over it obsessively, going over every single joke and moment, 658 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: and she practiced each and every facial expression, those iconic 659 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: lucy facial expressions that just seem so natural and ridiculous 660 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: of just nobody else can do it. That's because she 661 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: practiced them over and over and over again all night 662 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,879 Speaker 1: long until she got it perfect. And then she would 663 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: come in the next day and just kill like the crew, 664 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: like couldn't stop laughing because she was so good. But 665 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: I think we'd take that for granted that it wasn't 666 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: necessarily something that came naturally to her, that it was 667 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: a product of a lot of hard work. And that's 668 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 1: something I think that people often think when it comes 669 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: to comedy, that it's just easy for funny people to 670 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: be funny. And I think that's one of the reasons 671 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: that comedy is so much less recognized in terms of 672 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: the skill and the quality that it takes. You know, 673 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,359 Speaker 1: a dramatic actor is going to win an award over 674 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: a comedic actor every time, but almost any actor who's 675 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: done both will tell you that comedy is so much 676 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: harder because the timing required is so much more precise. 677 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: It's like the difference between cooking and baking. Oh yes, 678 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: I think comedy is like you really need the exact 679 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: right ingredients and the exact right temperature and the exact 680 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,399 Speaker 1: right time stirred the exact right amount of times. Like 681 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: it's it's more precise than you think. Especially even if 682 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: you're doing improv or something off the cliff you have 683 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,320 Speaker 1: to have a lot of training to do it well. Yeah, 684 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: and we've all seen a bad improv show, so I 685 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: don't have to tell you. If you haven't, don't, God 686 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: save yourself. If you haven't, you probably have, but don't, 687 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: but see a good improv show because there's nothing like it. Amazing. 688 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: It's not fun. But yeah, but with cooking, you can 689 00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: be a bad cook, but it's much easier to like, 690 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, just kind of play in that space 691 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 1: in a different way. Then in nineteen fifty three, the 692 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 1: House un American Committee was out there trying to track 693 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: down all these America hating Rudolph the Red Nosed Commies. 694 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 1: They were secretly trying to sell Hollywood secrets to the 695 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 1: Russians or something whatever they thought they were doing communist celebrities. 696 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: They're gonna gonna ruin this country by I don't know, 697 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: being communists, Yeah, just being one. Yeah, I think that's it. 698 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: Like did they did they think that actors had the 699 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: nuclear coats? Maybe? So? Anyway, Senator Joseph McCartney, well known 700 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,680 Speaker 1: for hating entertainment and humor, dug up that in nineteen 701 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: thirty six, Lucille Ball had registered as a communist. So 702 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: they dragged her before the committee and they held this 703 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: big hearing, and she testified that she had indeed registered 704 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,360 Speaker 1: as a communist, but she had done it to appease 705 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: her grandfather, and her mother and brother had done the same. Actually, 706 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 1: her grandfather is a strong socialist that he basically coerced 707 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 1: them into joining UM. But it wasn't something she claimed 708 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,280 Speaker 1: any particular interest in. She later said in an interview 709 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 1: that she was never worried about the public not taking 710 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: her side because quote, I think any time you give 711 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: the American people the truth, they're with you. Oh, Lucy, 712 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: simpler times. Only if only man simpler simpler times. The 713 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 1: sweet summer child, you didn't know about the winter winter 714 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: came anyway, So before they filmed the next episode, of 715 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: I love Lucy. Daisy went out to warm up the 716 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: crowd as he usually did, and he explained about the 717 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,640 Speaker 1: hearing and about Lucy's grandfather and just told him the 718 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: whole story. And he told him the only thing read 719 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: about Lucy is her hair, and even that's not legitimate. 720 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: Scandal over situation fully diffused. Thank you, DESI, Wow, you 721 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: should be a hostage negotiator. I mean I think that 722 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: Lucy was in general right, like about you know, just 723 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: being truthful, just like, yeah, I did registers at communists 724 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,839 Speaker 1: and it wasn't no thing. And also like I mean, 725 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, she wasn't going to take the opportunity to 726 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: explain the differences between communism and all that blah blah 727 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,439 Speaker 1: blah um. But yeah, it just wasn't a big deal. 728 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: But j Edgar Hoover thought it was a big deal, 729 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,479 Speaker 1: and he never forgot it. He didn't forget anything. Mr 730 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 1: Grudge and the FBI kept tabs on Desi and Lucy 731 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 1: for years. They would take any hint of socialism onto record. 732 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: One night, Lucy's like you want to share a piece 733 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: of kake. It's like three agents in a van outside 734 00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: they want to share. So it looks to get a gun, 735 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: so it looks like they're prepping for a case against them. 736 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: But Hoover was also already mad at Desilu for producing 737 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:24,000 Speaker 1: the series The Untouchables, and that series credited Treasury agent 738 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: Elliott Ness for feats achieved by the FBI, So he 739 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,759 Speaker 1: was really just being a petty ass about it, like 740 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,840 Speaker 1: that was but I did that, not Kevin Costner. That 741 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,320 Speaker 1: was the movie Untouchables. But still apparently Hoover had g 742 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: men watching The Untouchables obsessively trying to find any mistakes 743 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: to file away, like like your tax dollars at work, 744 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: your tax dollars at work, folks just watching TV all day. 745 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: One day, I'm gonna get a podcast and I'm gonna 746 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: tell him everything they didn't run. That'll show them. I 747 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: wonder if that's what's really going on. Whenever we see 748 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,800 Speaker 1: those headlines like this company wants to pay you thousand 749 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,920 Speaker 1: dollars a week just to watch a Netflix, it's the 750 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: it's the government, it's the FBI being like no takedown 751 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,759 Speaker 1: any instance where they say the name Gregory. I want 752 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,759 Speaker 1: you to watch Sweet Tooth and tell me if those 753 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: little animal children are communists. So all in all of 754 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: course this amounted to nothing, but you know, not for 755 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: lack of Hoover and McCartney trying. Um, So, I think 756 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: we're gonna go take a quick break here and share 757 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,839 Speaker 1: a piece of cake, and we'll be right back after 758 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: this commercial. All right, we have ordered our dinner and 759 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 1: we are back, ready to keep going until dinner gets here, 760 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,400 Speaker 1: until the gunner gets here. Hopefully we finish this final 761 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: chapter of Luz and Desire then if not, this episode 762 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 1: will end with us dropping everything in the middle running 763 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:14,400 Speaker 1: out the door. Alright, anyway, so things were still rocky 764 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 1: behind the scenes for Lucy and Desi. Um. Keith Thibodeaux, 765 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,319 Speaker 1: who played their on screen son Little Ricky, said he 766 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:28,279 Speaker 1: would overhear loud arguing and cursing and glass shattering Um 767 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: their real life daughter Lucy said there was no abuse, like, 768 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,440 Speaker 1: no actual hitting or name calling or anything like that, 769 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 1: but there was a lot of anger, a lot of 770 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:44,239 Speaker 1: screaming Um and over the years, Desi did devolve into alcoholism, 771 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:49,280 Speaker 1: and of course there were too many girls, common theme 772 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,640 Speaker 1: throughout both these parts. A friend of theirs later said 773 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,480 Speaker 1: that Dzi's attitude was basically, Hey, I love Lucy. The 774 00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: other women are just paid for. So what's the problem again. 775 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,800 Speaker 1: I think we talked about this before. But the problem 776 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 1: is you're in a committed relationship and these rules have 777 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,880 Speaker 1: not been established, right. Yeah, Like I get that. He 778 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 1: feels like You've got my whole heart. I love you. 779 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: You're the most important person in the world to me. 780 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 1: So who cares if I wunk around with some other girls? 781 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: But she cares, and she cares. That was the agreement 782 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: that she understood when you got married, that it was 783 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 1: just the two of you. It was like that that 784 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: idea might be fine for some couples. Hey, you and 785 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 1: me are a thing, and the other girls or whatever, 786 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 1: that's just fun. I'm just going to Yeah, whoever. I mean, like, 787 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 1: you don't like roller coasters, and it's totally okay for 788 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 1: me to go ride roller coasters with other women, right, 789 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 1: I mean you said in a real shady way. Yeah, 790 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,920 Speaker 1: of course it is. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, if you 791 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,359 Speaker 1: wanted to write jokes with somebody else, I might feel 792 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 1: a little like coup Is that about that? I would 793 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: never talking to you write jokes with other people? Well, yeah, 794 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: I know, but you know, that's that's our thing. That's 795 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:20,520 Speaker 1: that's our personal experience. You know. Um and if anybody 796 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 1: out there wants to write some jokes, you can find 797 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:27,239 Speaker 1: me on Twitter at oh grade. It's Eli. We don't 798 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: have to tell Diana. I'll see it because it'll be 799 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:36,239 Speaker 1: on Twitter. Yeah, but you never liked my tweets, that's 800 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: not true. In biography, there's a story from her publicist, 801 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,400 Speaker 1: Charles Pomerantz. The magazine Confidential had just come out with 802 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,760 Speaker 1: a story about Desi being a womanizer with some choice 803 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 1: details about, you know, some of the goings on with 804 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,719 Speaker 1: Desi Arnaz, and her publicist used his connections to get 805 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 1: loose see an advanced copy. He's basically like, look, I 806 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,319 Speaker 1: just want you to know this story is about to run. 807 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,200 Speaker 1: I love you, Lucy wanted you to have this first, 808 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,839 Speaker 1: just so you could read it before anybody else did, 809 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 1: so you knew what was about to go down, right. 810 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,359 Speaker 1: She's like okay. She takes the magazine and later that 811 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,759 Speaker 1: day on set, when she wasn't needed, she took it 812 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,960 Speaker 1: into her dressing room to read it. Now everybody knows 813 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,960 Speaker 1: what's going on. So the whole crew is like gathered 814 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:33,400 Speaker 1: around waiting, staring at the door, just waiting for yeah, 815 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,719 Speaker 1: just frozen, like oh ship this is gonna be so insane. 816 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: They're just waiting for her to blow her bright red 817 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:46,600 Speaker 1: top this salacious story that's about to be printed about 818 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:52,280 Speaker 1: Desi Arnaz and his nightly activities. So after a few minutes, 819 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,600 Speaker 1: she opens the door and everybody like, plays it really cool, 820 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,440 Speaker 1: Like I wasn't standing here waiting for you to come. 821 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,000 Speaker 1: You know. She's like, okay, I get it. She looks around, 822 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,760 Speaker 1: sees everyone, and then she just walks right past Desi 823 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,239 Speaker 1: in his dressing room chair. She tossed the magazine in 824 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,440 Speaker 1: his lap and said, oh, hell, I could tell him 825 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: worse than that. She's like, y'all missed a few in there. 826 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:22,359 Speaker 1: This was a scoop. She don't care. She's like, this 827 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,880 Speaker 1: is nothing. You want dirty details. You should have called me. 828 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,880 Speaker 1: The writers like why didn't know you'd answer me. But 829 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: I'll go get my pen and paper. I Love Lucy 830 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,320 Speaker 1: ended in ninety seven. It was the first show to 831 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,439 Speaker 1: end at the top of the Nielsen ratings. Usually your show, 832 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,239 Speaker 1: and you know, because it's not doing well of the ratings, 833 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,319 Speaker 1: the probably like keep going more. At that point, there 834 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,200 Speaker 1: were a hundred and eighty episodes and Desilu, who had 835 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,839 Speaker 1: been breaking it in on the rerun, sold the syndication 836 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:06,640 Speaker 1: rights back to CBS for were point five million dollars 837 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:16,160 Speaker 1: calculating roughly forty million dollars today. That's pretty good. They 838 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:21,480 Speaker 1: took that money and some other money, and for six 839 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,839 Speaker 1: million dollars they purchased r k O Studios and its 840 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,719 Speaker 1: movie lot, which made Lucy the first woman head of 841 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:35,000 Speaker 1: a major film studio. Incredible, and they continued working together. 842 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,920 Speaker 1: They even extended I Love Lucy into The Lucy Desi 843 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,360 Speaker 1: Comedy Hour. It was that was like thirteen episodes and 844 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,040 Speaker 1: they would air occasionally as specials over the next three years. 845 00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,279 Speaker 1: So they're still cranking out the comedy and doing great 846 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: business wise, but unfortunately their marriage had effectively been over 847 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,080 Speaker 1: for years. Um they were going through the motions kind 848 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,600 Speaker 1: of for the sake of the family. But Ball summed 849 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,160 Speaker 1: up the last five years of their marriage as just 850 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:08,680 Speaker 1: booze and broadso maso many girls, okay, And so in 851 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,040 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty she decided they would be better off apart 852 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 1: than together, and they officially divorced in the divorce papers, 853 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 1: which she filed the day after shooting their final episode 854 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,200 Speaker 1: of The Lucy Desi Comedy Hour. She referred to the 855 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,759 Speaker 1: marriage as a nightmare, which is sad because they were 856 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,280 Speaker 1: just such a good business couple that like, it sucks 857 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 1: when you can't be romantically a couple at the same time. 858 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,759 Speaker 1: But it's not always the same you know, that's not 859 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,799 Speaker 1: the same relationship at all. Anyway, that's a bummer. They 860 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:46,240 Speaker 1: were finally officially divorced two months later. No last minute 861 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:51,160 Speaker 1: dance clubs this time, no fun less less dinners that, 862 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 1: no trick divorce story. It just they were done. But 863 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:05,000 Speaker 1: fortunately their relationship actually greatly improved after they decided to separate. 864 00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,000 Speaker 1: They both clearly wanted this divorce. It wasn't working out. 865 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,000 Speaker 1: Lucy even said, we didn't even get two lawyers for 866 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: the divorce. One lawyer was like, wait, I gotta do. 867 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,560 Speaker 1: Their daughter said that it took a few years to 868 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,920 Speaker 1: calm down, but they stayed friends till the better end, 869 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,360 Speaker 1: and that was good for the kids. See the I 870 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:32,000 Speaker 1: mean right there again. A business relationship, however, wonderful and 871 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:37,600 Speaker 1: perfect and great doesn't necessarily translate to a good romantic relationship, 872 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,640 Speaker 1: and it seems like all of their connection still there, 873 00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,440 Speaker 1: but they just could never really Mary pun intended their 874 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,399 Speaker 1: visions for what marriage should look like yeah, yeah, um, 875 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:55,920 Speaker 1: so that's just too bad, and they both remarried. Then 876 00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,200 Speaker 1: the very next year, Lucy married Gary Morton, whoever he is, 877 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,719 Speaker 1: and I know, right, Lucy's like, well, I loved him 878 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,560 Speaker 1: and married him and was very happy for the rest 879 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 1: of my days. Um. And then Desi married a woman 880 00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:17,280 Speaker 1: named Edith mack Hirsch two years later. But I love Lucy, 881 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,799 Speaker 1: director William Asher said, neither of them ever got over it. 882 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,320 Speaker 1: I think she always loved him, and there's no question 883 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,640 Speaker 1: that he always loved her. I think, like you said, 884 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,480 Speaker 1: like they just couldn't reconcile what they wanted marriage to be. 885 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,440 Speaker 1: Everything else was there who else could measure up to 886 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,680 Speaker 1: either one of them. It's one of those couples where 887 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,160 Speaker 1: you're like, of course you had to be together. Everyone 888 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,760 Speaker 1: else would have seemed like nobody. You know, you're Lucille Ball, 889 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,640 Speaker 1: you're Desi Arnaz, You're both these incredible, very unique people, 890 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:56,520 Speaker 1: and they gave it a shot. But I think they're disagreements, 891 00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,719 Speaker 1: like you said, over what they wanted marriage to be. 892 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,200 Speaker 1: It was we're stronger than you know what? What what 893 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,120 Speaker 1: brought them together? And you can't blame Lucy either for 894 00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 1: being like, please don't go sleep at a bunch of 895 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,520 Speaker 1: prostitutes all the time, Like we are pro sex work 896 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,040 Speaker 1: in this house, I think pro sex workers. Yeah, I 897 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,760 Speaker 1: support them, your sex workers. Hey wait, I mean what 898 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,840 Speaker 1: what's that now? We can't afford that, by the way, 899 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,080 Speaker 1: I know that's what it's really the money. I'm like, 900 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,880 Speaker 1: what how much the money? Don't we I can't afford 901 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:37,240 Speaker 1: what you deserve. But yeah, I don't know. I think 902 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,080 Speaker 1: it crosses your mind, like diseases or what are you 903 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,960 Speaker 1: going to bring home to me? I mean, what are 904 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,760 Speaker 1: you gonna bring them the kids? Like, I don't know 905 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,000 Speaker 1: what you're doing out there with any number of strangers, 906 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,920 Speaker 1: And that's that's disconcerting. Even if you don't care about 907 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,920 Speaker 1: sex has to be just between us, and that's what 908 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 1: makes our relationship special and different from our other relationships 909 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,200 Speaker 1: with people. Even if that's not your mindset, it would 910 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,040 Speaker 1: still be a lot to be like I know here 911 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 1: going out all the time with like sex workers. And 912 00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,680 Speaker 1: maybe that made her extra uncomfortable. Maybe if it was 913 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,960 Speaker 1: just a regular affair, she could have had an easier 914 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,680 Speaker 1: time with that. I don't know. I'm speculating speculations, right, right, 915 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,680 Speaker 1: And I'll just caveat in there just so we say 916 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:21,160 Speaker 1: it that, of course, sex workers no higher risk for 917 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,640 Speaker 1: transmitted diseases than having sex with any random person. In fact, 918 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,440 Speaker 1: my understanding is that there's a lot of extra caution 919 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:34,600 Speaker 1: that goes in, uh for for sex workers. They don't 920 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,960 Speaker 1: want it either. Anyway, All speculation on what we're saying 921 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:43,760 Speaker 1: here is loose women or popping out babies left and right. 922 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying loose women are doing just fine out of 923 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:56,840 Speaker 1: their business. Loose seals, loose seals. Well, we just got canceled, 924 00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:04,600 Speaker 1: that's what did it. Uh. We love women on this show. Women. 925 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,000 Speaker 1: If you choose to be a sex worker, that's fantastic. 926 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 1: That is fantastic. It's great, And honestly, anyone who's mad 927 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:15,200 Speaker 1: about it is jealous, including me, Like, sounds like pretty 928 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,800 Speaker 1: pretty solid career. I mean right, I mean you don't 929 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,720 Speaker 1: have to like it, don't don't use it, but a 930 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,919 Speaker 1: lot of people it's it's a thing people want to buy, 931 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,280 Speaker 1: and we like that in this country. So I don't 932 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,560 Speaker 1: know why we're trying to get trump. It's like drugs. 933 00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, what I am? So people want to buy it, 934 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,919 Speaker 1: don't what don't we were like, guns are cool to buy, 935 00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,840 Speaker 1: but not drugs. We love it when people buy things 936 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,720 Speaker 1: in this country. Why are we stopping people from buying things? 937 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:43,680 Speaker 1: Don't let them buy the thing? Well, Tangent decide. Lucile 938 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,360 Speaker 1: Ball was very active in the industry, continuing into the sixties. 939 00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,640 Speaker 1: She was a friend and mentor to Carol Burnett, incredible 940 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,440 Speaker 1: comedian as well. God, I mean, I wish Carol Burnett 941 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,480 Speaker 1: was a friend and mentor to meet exactly. She started 942 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,560 Speaker 1: in a number of TV com these specials through the seventies, 943 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,360 Speaker 1: and she was an assistant professor at California State University Northridge. 944 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Can I go to schools freaking Lucy al Ball walks 945 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,920 Speaker 1: in the door, I'm your teacher. And here's the thing 946 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,280 Speaker 1: about that I think is would be really amazing the 947 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,800 Speaker 1: way that she talks about her comedy as very crafted 948 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,200 Speaker 1: and meticulous and not just a natural talent that she had. 949 01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, she can probably teach the hell out of 950 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:32,840 Speaker 1: it because she does it through method, through formula, through practice, 951 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,560 Speaker 1: and not just you know, whereas like someone who's naturally 952 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,320 Speaker 1: very funny might walk in and be like, I don't know, 953 01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,040 Speaker 1: just be funny, you know, like Lucy's got the skills 954 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,080 Speaker 1: to pass on. Not that a naturally funny person wouldn't. 955 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,520 Speaker 1: I know that. You know, anybody who's teaching comedy knows 956 01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,200 Speaker 1: what to say. But I think there is something a 957 01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:55,600 Speaker 1: little extra valuable in somebody who has to work hard 958 01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:00,400 Speaker 1: and puts out high quality comedy through that work. I 959 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,520 Speaker 1: would love to teach comedy if I wanted to teach, 960 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,360 Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing like, well, I would have 961 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,760 Speaker 1: to dedicate myself to that for a long time, and 962 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm not good at dedicating myself at things for a 963 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:17,160 Speaker 1: long time. Present company excluded, thank you. But you know, yeah, 964 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,400 Speaker 1: if I could just magically walk in and give a 965 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,360 Speaker 1: lesson one day that was, you know, already prepared for 966 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:31,520 Speaker 1: me by me, that'd be great anyway. So in sixty one, 967 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:36,080 Speaker 1: Lucy's already starring in The Lucy Show and Desi Arnaz 968 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,160 Speaker 1: was directing working together. So they're working together again. The 969 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,400 Speaker 1: best part of their relationship is what they did when 970 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,480 Speaker 1: they worked together. But he was kind of overwhelmed with 971 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,040 Speaker 1: all his responsibilities, and he ended up asking Lucy to 972 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,520 Speaker 1: buy out his shares of Desilu, their production company they 973 01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,680 Speaker 1: had together. She paid him two point five million dollars. 974 01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:05,840 Speaker 1: That sounds like a about twenty one point five million today. 975 01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,800 Speaker 1: Change change, change to change. So once he was bought out, 976 01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:13,280 Speaker 1: she became the first woman's CEO of a major television 977 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:18,479 Speaker 1: and movie production company. Incredible, I mean, boss, bitch shit 978 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,520 Speaker 1: first and first, if anybody deserved to be the first, well, 979 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,480 Speaker 1: if anybody deserved to be the first, it was probably 980 01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,960 Speaker 1: many decades before that when it was a male dominated industry, 981 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:33,200 Speaker 1: but still glad it was. If it had passed by Lucy, 982 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,560 Speaker 1: it would have been an even greater travesty, agreed the company. 983 01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:43,360 Speaker 1: At this time, Desilu wasn't doing great. Movie studios were 984 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,720 Speaker 1: beginning to produce their own TV shows, so that was 985 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,880 Speaker 1: taking a lot of business away from smaller production companies. 986 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,760 Speaker 1: The only program they were making at the time was 987 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,480 Speaker 1: The Lucy Show, and so she decided, let's get back 988 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,440 Speaker 1: into heavy production and start cranking out some content. So 989 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,439 Speaker 1: the board gets together and Lucy's like, we gotta start 990 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,400 Speaker 1: making shows, we gotta start producing new shows again. And 991 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,360 Speaker 1: they do kind of barrel into that and they end 992 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,080 Speaker 1: up producing a lot of shows. The Untouchables, of course, 993 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,080 Speaker 1: is one of them that we mentioned earlier. Uh, there's 994 01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,800 Speaker 1: a show called Angel, probably not the same that we 995 01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:21,480 Speaker 1: know today. Angel. Uh. Mission Impossible was one of their shows, 996 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:26,600 Speaker 1: the original Mission Impossible. UM. And one day in nineteen 997 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,560 Speaker 1: six four, this fresh young producer comes up to knock 998 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:36,760 Speaker 1: on Lucy's door. His name is Gene Roddenberry, and he says, hey, 999 01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,840 Speaker 1: have I got a pilot for you? And it was 1000 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,200 Speaker 1: for this little show called Star Trek. And at first, 1001 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,080 Speaker 1: according to star trek dot Com, Lucy kind of totally 1002 01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,040 Speaker 1: missed the point of the show and she thought the 1003 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,840 Speaker 1: title referred to a group of traveling USO performers during 1004 01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,280 Speaker 1: World War Two. I would love to see that start 1005 01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:01,439 Speaker 1: very different, that there's a bunch of stars and they're 1006 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:07,160 Speaker 1: trucking through. I've been on the Star Trek. Everybody, everybody 1007 01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,880 Speaker 1: in vide Fils done the Star Trek. As he got 1008 01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:13,360 Speaker 1: his start on the Star Trek. But after she kind of, 1009 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, was corrected and sort of figured out what 1010 01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,480 Speaker 1: it was, she still jumped on board. Author Mark Cushman 1011 01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,240 Speaker 1: wrote that she was known for playing a character with 1012 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,040 Speaker 1: hair brained schemes, and she had learned well from Desi Arnez. 1013 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,200 Speaker 1: He had been called crazy many times by industry insiders, 1014 01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,880 Speaker 1: but he always proved his critics wrong, and that was 1015 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:37,160 Speaker 1: something Lucy really applied here, because even while some board 1016 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,760 Speaker 1: members were very resistant to the idea of Star Trek, 1017 01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,360 Speaker 1: Lucy supported it and she pushed for it, and eventually 1018 01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:48,480 Speaker 1: the pilot episode called The Cage was produced. This was 1019 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:53,400 Speaker 1: expensive and it was complicated, but as it's coming together, 1020 01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,720 Speaker 1: they're starting to think, hey, you know what, this Star 1021 01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,560 Speaker 1: Trek show might actually be a cultural miles done that 1022 01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,120 Speaker 1: sets up a franchise for decades to come. So they 1023 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:11,200 Speaker 1: finished shooting The Cage and it was terrible. Nobody liked it. 1024 01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,600 Speaker 1: Thumbs down for Star Trek. We're not gonna do this show. 1025 01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,360 Speaker 1: It was awkward, it was confusing and cheesy and just 1026 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:23,720 Speaker 1: not very fun. But Lucy had really come to believe 1027 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,400 Speaker 1: in Gene and his project, and she was like, look, 1028 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,960 Speaker 1: I know there's problems, but I know they're fixable. And 1029 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,400 Speaker 1: she fought really hard against the other executives and in 1030 01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:41,880 Speaker 1: a very very very rare move, she convinced the studio 1031 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:46,680 Speaker 1: to film a second pilot. They retold the whole thing 1032 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,480 Speaker 1: and they got this new actor, William Shatner to come 1033 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,920 Speaker 1: in and play the lead, and the show no surprise 1034 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,880 Speaker 1: to everyone who's alive in the world today was a hit. 1035 01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,120 Speaker 1: The studio accountant at hall All once said, if it 1036 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,640 Speaker 1: weren't for Lucille Ball, there would be no Star Trek today. 1037 01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,440 Speaker 1: So do you hear that, Chris Pine here, that Patrick 1038 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,960 Speaker 1: Stewart ain't None of y'all would be the stars you 1039 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:19,680 Speaker 1: are today if that weren't for Lucy. We all love Lucy. 1040 01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,800 Speaker 1: It's so random. I mean, I feel like that's a 1041 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,520 Speaker 1: fact that a lot of people know. Now it's kind 1042 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,040 Speaker 1: of gotten around there. But if you didn't know that, 1043 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,560 Speaker 1: like I I'm more or less just learned that, and 1044 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, Lucille Ball made Star Trek happen. Okay, Well 1045 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,920 Speaker 1: I knew. I knew that she was a producer on 1046 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,680 Speaker 1: Star Trek and that Gene Roddenberry came to her, but 1047 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,320 Speaker 1: I didn't know that she had to convince him to 1048 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:44,000 Speaker 1: make another pilot. That's that is very unusual. So you know, 1049 01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,360 Speaker 1: just like they say in Star Trek, never give up, 1050 01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:52,040 Speaker 1: never surrender. May the force be with you to infinity 1051 01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,640 Speaker 1: and beyond. Yes, all of these famous Star Trek quotes 1052 01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:00,080 Speaker 1: about perseverance, and Ian McKellen says, right, Ian mckelly in 1053 01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,840 Speaker 1: the Wizards. Yea, his hair changed his color. You know, 1054 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:09,520 Speaker 1: he who shall not be named? Yeah, all clastic. You're 1055 01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,920 Speaker 1: welcome for the classic Star Trek references. I hope we 1056 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,520 Speaker 1: don't get sued by the star of Star Trek Mr 1057 01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:24,720 Speaker 1: Mark Campbell and incomes the hate man. Right, we got 1058 01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,360 Speaker 1: canceled again. Now we've got women and Trek ease after us. No, 1059 01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,840 Speaker 1: just kidding. So many of our listeners, like, I know 1060 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:35,520 Speaker 1: you're fucking nerds. So many of our listeners. So many 1061 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:41,280 Speaker 1: of our listeners are women trek eas very funny guys. Whatever. So. 1062 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,120 Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty two, after selling his interest in Desilu 1063 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:50,000 Speaker 1: to loose Seal, Desi retired to his horse ranch in 1064 01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,080 Speaker 1: Las Cristas, Mexico. A few years later he returned to 1065 01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:58,400 Speaker 1: the industry. He started Desi Arnaz Productions and he produced 1066 01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:03,720 Speaker 1: The Mothers in Law sixty seven Classic show. The Classic 1067 01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,480 Speaker 1: Show The Mothers in Law. He appeared frequently as a 1068 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,439 Speaker 1: guest start. What do you think the Mothers in Law 1069 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,320 Speaker 1: is about? I haven't looked. Is it like his mother 1070 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:16,679 Speaker 1: in law and her mother in law are roommates get together. 1071 01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,679 Speaker 1: It's like an odd couple, but they're both mothers in law. 1072 01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:26,920 Speaker 1: They gotta switch identities. Yeah, I'd watch it. I'd watch it. 1073 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,400 Speaker 1: In the seventies, Desi made a number of TV appearances, 1074 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,439 Speaker 1: including as a guest host on Saturday Night Live in 1075 01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:42,120 Speaker 1: NY six to promote his autobiography A book. Alright, what 1076 01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,600 Speaker 1: a name here we've been talking about Desi Arnaz is 1077 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:48,200 Speaker 1: one of the most creative and innovative forces in the 1078 01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:55,000 Speaker 1: entertainment world, and his autobiography is titled I mean, He's 1079 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:59,880 Speaker 1: not wrong. It is a book I know, didn't know 1080 01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,000 Speaker 1: but he did. Nobody read it and be like, well 1081 01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,479 Speaker 1: does he I don't know. There's so many other titles. Hey, 1082 01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,160 Speaker 1: no one was going to tell Dessi to do anything differently, 1083 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,080 Speaker 1: so in fact, they probably did try. And he was like, 1084 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,639 Speaker 1: I'll prove you're wrong. And I mean I think it's sold. Well, 1085 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:19,800 Speaker 1: probably fine. It's got a four point two on good Reads, Okay, 1086 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,200 Speaker 1: I actually I would be very interested in reading it. 1087 01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:30,920 Speaker 1: It is available on audible for I don't remember. You 1088 01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:38,080 Speaker 1: can find this inaudible. His SNL appearance, by the way, 1089 01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,080 Speaker 1: ended with the whole cast doing a massive congo line 1090 01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:46,000 Speaker 1: through the SNL studio. Of course, uh, he only ever 1091 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,160 Speaker 1: semi retired. UM. He moved with his wife Edith to 1092 01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:53,639 Speaker 1: del Mar, California, and was breeding horses. UM. She died 1093 01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,200 Speaker 1: and a year later he was diagnosed with lung cancer. UM. 1094 01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,679 Speaker 1: He had been a heavy smoker for most of his life, 1095 01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:12,280 Speaker 1: including Cuban cigars, Cigars cigarettes and then it cops cigars, 1096 01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:18,160 Speaker 1: Cuban Sirett, Can I offer you a cigar? Y, I'm 1097 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:24,799 Speaker 1: almost smoked down my entire cigar. Larry another Cigarro sigar 1098 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:38,240 Speaker 1: right away, Bob Cigar and Lucy seventy five years old. 1099 01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,439 Speaker 1: She was about to return to sitcoms with a show 1100 01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,240 Speaker 1: called Life with Lucy, and she came to see him 1101 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:48,200 Speaker 1: in his last days. It's unclear what their full conversation was, 1102 01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,840 Speaker 1: but it was loving, it was kind, their daughter says. 1103 01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:55,479 Speaker 1: His final words to Lucy were I love you too, honey. 1104 01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,800 Speaker 1: Good luck with your show. And he passed away on 1105 01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:04,200 Speaker 1: December two, just five days before Lucille was awarded the 1106 01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:08,439 Speaker 1: Kennedy Center Honor. Must have been a bitter sweet day 1107 01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:13,400 Speaker 1: for her, been fully in grief for him, Yeah, partner 1108 01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,360 Speaker 1: of a lifetime and good friend for lifetime for sure. 1109 01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,720 Speaker 1: So Life with Lucy was going into production. It was 1110 01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,559 Speaker 1: co starring her longtime radio foil Gail Gordon, and it 1111 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,760 Speaker 1: was produced by none other than Aaron Spelling. But wow, 1112 01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,639 Speaker 1: that's so funny thing about Aaron Spelling being old enough 1113 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:35,599 Speaker 1: to produce a Lucy O ball like, right, but we're 1114 01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,080 Speaker 1: talking to the mid eighties now, No, yeah, it makes sense. 1115 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,479 Speaker 1: But Life with Lucy was canceled just a few months 1116 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:46,960 Speaker 1: into its run. Reviews were terrible. Audiences were really disappointed 1117 01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,639 Speaker 1: that it wasn't up to the quality that Lucy's shows 1118 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,360 Speaker 1: had been earlier in life, which is asking a lot. 1119 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,479 Speaker 1: She's I'm seventy five, I'm giving you all I got. 1120 01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,240 Speaker 1: I gave you a lot already. He already sucks me dry. 1121 01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,120 Speaker 1: The thing was, Lucy had been hesitant to return to screen. 1122 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,160 Speaker 1: She agreed to do it, citing that she missed having 1123 01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,320 Speaker 1: a daily project to work on, and she made her 1124 01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,240 Speaker 1: character's last name Barker to continue her tradition of having 1125 01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,920 Speaker 1: surnames with a R in them. On other shows she 1126 01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:24,240 Speaker 1: was Ricardo, car Michael, and Carter and that was a 1127 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,720 Speaker 1: tribute to Desi Arnez. She always had the A R 1128 01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,599 Speaker 1: in there. But honestly, in hesitating to do the show, 1129 01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,439 Speaker 1: turns out her TV instincts may have been correct again 1130 01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:40,080 Speaker 1: because it was panned by critics and audiences alike. Sadly, 1131 01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,080 Speaker 1: it became known as one of the worst sitcoms in 1132 01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:48,839 Speaker 1: broadcasting history. I'd argue is probably not still true today 1133 01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:54,000 Speaker 1: because there's been some real stinkers in the last so 1134 01:12:55,560 --> 01:13:00,680 Speaker 1: we've definitely outdone that in badness since then. But I 1135 01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,080 Speaker 1: haven't watched it. I don't know. Maybe it's untouchably awful. 1136 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:09,960 Speaker 1: In Lucy suffered a mild heart attack in in nine 1137 01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,479 Speaker 1: she gave her final appearance on television when she was 1138 01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:17,639 Speaker 1: a presenter at the Oscars with Bob Hope. They were 1139 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:22,240 Speaker 1: given a standing ovation, well desert both both of them 1140 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:26,280 Speaker 1: deserves inivation, and it said that that is exactly what 1141 01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,920 Speaker 1: she wanted her final moments on stage to be, and 1142 01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:33,240 Speaker 1: a month later, she passed away from a ruptured abdominal 1143 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:40,000 Speaker 1: aortic aneurysm. And Ball's friend Ruda Lee told Closer magazine 1144 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:44,880 Speaker 1: about Daisy and Lucy, they spoke so lovingly of each 1145 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:49,320 Speaker 1: other you almost forgot they weren't together anymore. It's amazing 1146 01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,920 Speaker 1: how kind of more romantic their partnership was when it 1147 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,200 Speaker 1: wasn't romantic, you know, some people can't live together, man, 1148 01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,640 Speaker 1: And that's just the ray of the world. Yeah, and 1149 01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,559 Speaker 1: if they're just like I mean, these two were best friends, right, 1150 01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,960 Speaker 1: and they were best business partners, and they did incredible 1151 01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:10,120 Speaker 1: things together. They changed literally together, they changed the world. 1152 01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,400 Speaker 1: Who could relate to that besides each other? And I 1153 01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,120 Speaker 1: think we've seen that in some couples that we've done 1154 01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,960 Speaker 1: in the past, that it's just like we are such 1155 01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:24,519 Speaker 1: iconic figures in history. Who could I possibly connect to 1156 01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,240 Speaker 1: that could know what I've been through and know what 1157 01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:32,280 Speaker 1: the things I've done and really understand the person that 1158 01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,439 Speaker 1: I am. Because I could be with someone who loves 1159 01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:38,760 Speaker 1: me unconditionally for who I am and thinks I'm the 1160 01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,320 Speaker 1: best thing in the world. And I might think that 1161 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:44,240 Speaker 1: of them too, but they still they'll never quite get 1162 01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,479 Speaker 1: the experiences I've had the way that you will. You 1163 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:52,400 Speaker 1: know that that's that's an untouchable bond, an unbreakable bond. 1164 01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,240 Speaker 1: So much bonded them besides children, which of course is 1165 01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,879 Speaker 1: a huge lifetime bond, but also, yeah, all the struggle 1166 01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,400 Speaker 1: of the early years, all the time, all the stage times, 1167 01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,360 Speaker 1: all the horrible phone calls, like all the miscarriages, and 1168 01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:12,960 Speaker 1: they're shared grief on that and that struggle to absolutely yeah. 1169 01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:16,920 Speaker 1: That's a heart. That's a person you keep, maybe not 1170 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,120 Speaker 1: in the same capacity, but you keep that person absolutely yeah. 1171 01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,120 Speaker 1: And I'm so glad that they were able to. You know, 1172 01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:26,120 Speaker 1: sometimes those romantic relationships fall apart and it is so 1173 01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,760 Speaker 1: ugly that all of that that you were just talking 1174 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,920 Speaker 1: about is kind of lost. Yeah, and the friendship goes 1175 01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,719 Speaker 1: with yeah. Yeah, and that's that's Sometimes that's for the best, 1176 01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,439 Speaker 1: and sometimes that's really sad. I mean, you know, I'm 1177 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:45,880 Speaker 1: very good friends with nearly nearly all of my exes, um, 1178 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,920 Speaker 1: because of course they're great people, otherwise I wouldn't have 1179 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,480 Speaker 1: dated them, you know, Yeah, and we have shared experiences 1180 01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:58,439 Speaker 1: and we have uh lasting important friendship. I mean, these 1181 01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:02,000 Speaker 1: are people that will always be important to me. Um. 1182 01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:05,480 Speaker 1: And you know, and there's people I've dated who it's 1183 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,040 Speaker 1: for the best that we don't speak to each other anymore, 1184 01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,640 Speaker 1: you know, and that's their fault, not mine. So UM, 1185 01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,440 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, Um, if you're listening, Um, 1186 01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:21,720 Speaker 1: you know you're not. You're definitely not listening, and you're 1187 01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:24,000 Speaker 1: probably fine. I mean, you know, I think you're a 1188 01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,479 Speaker 1: treasure baby, But I think they're okay, it was for 1189 01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,800 Speaker 1: the best for everyone. But anyway, I'm just glad that 1190 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,840 Speaker 1: they were able to keep that. Obviously because they had 1191 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,040 Speaker 1: two children and that was best for them too, but 1192 01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:40,280 Speaker 1: also just because again, what a golden moment in history 1193 01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,880 Speaker 1: at these two people being together well, and it's cool 1194 01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:44,960 Speaker 1: that they didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater 1195 01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,719 Speaker 1: per se. They were like, I know that we can't 1196 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,519 Speaker 1: be married anymore, but we still work together, and we 1197 01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,960 Speaker 1: still want to work together. We're still friends and we 1198 01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,320 Speaker 1: still want to be friends, and we're still co parenting, 1199 01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,240 Speaker 1: and we still want to co parent, like we're going 1200 01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,360 Speaker 1: to get the same little way and everything. Like I'm 1201 01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:03,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to fight with you. I don't want 1202 01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,840 Speaker 1: to ruin this. Yeah, what the good part that we 1203 01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,599 Speaker 1: do have, it's very real, that's the part I want 1204 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,479 Speaker 1: to preserve. Sometimes the divorce preserves the good stuff rather 1205 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:16,200 Speaker 1: than than getting rid of it too. So anyway, I 1206 01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,320 Speaker 1: thought you meant literally they didn't throw out the baby 1207 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,400 Speaker 1: with the bath They weren't like, we're getting divorced and 1208 01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:25,560 Speaker 1: screw the kids. Then go live with your their step grandparents. 1209 01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,040 Speaker 1: One of them will go live with your parents. One 1210 01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:34,040 Speaker 1: of my parents now and then of course, whatever happened 1211 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:38,519 Speaker 1: to Desilu, this massive, important production company that just change 1212 01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,559 Speaker 1: the whole game of television. I mean, you don't hear 1213 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,640 Speaker 1: the name Desilu anymore, so you don't think it just 1214 01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:49,240 Speaker 1: fizzled out. It did not. After Lucille sold her shares 1215 01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:54,080 Speaker 1: to Gulf and Western for seventeen million dollars, which tally's 1216 01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:58,880 Speaker 1: up to a hundred and thirty million dollars today. How 1217 01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:03,519 Speaker 1: the company was rebranded as the TV production arm of 1218 01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,920 Speaker 1: Paramount Pictures, and that led to a chain of acquisitions 1219 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:12,519 Speaker 1: which would bring success to companies like Viacom we all 1220 01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,960 Speaker 1: know is like you know, Comedy Central and many other networks. 1221 01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:22,120 Speaker 1: They're Viacom, up N and eventually CBS, who had phased 1222 01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:26,559 Speaker 1: out the Paramount TV brand but recently they resurrected it. 1223 01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:30,120 Speaker 1: And we're not hearing about CBS All Access anymore, are 1224 01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:35,960 Speaker 1: we know? We're hearing about Paramount Plus and again all 1225 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:42,720 Speaker 1: from Desilu. Yeah. Incredible. These people are just I mean, 1226 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:47,439 Speaker 1: as a comedy lover, as a television lover, as a 1227 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,599 Speaker 1: history lover, come on, Lucy and DESI hit all all 1228 01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:59,519 Speaker 1: the good ship. Amazing people and a relatively recent history. Um, 1229 01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,840 Speaker 1: getting this recent every year, I suppose, but but still 1230 01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,439 Speaker 1: it's some of that modern history of a sort of 1231 01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,240 Speaker 1: modern entertainment that we get to talk about as supposed 1232 01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,360 Speaker 1: to going back to ancient Rome and like, yeah, these people, 1233 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,760 Speaker 1: sure if you took them out of history and the 1234 01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,280 Speaker 1: world might be different today, but we're not living in 1235 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,519 Speaker 1: their legacy the same way that we are literally still 1236 01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,080 Speaker 1: living in Lucy and Ricky's Lucy and desease legacy. But 1237 01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,400 Speaker 1: it's also interesting to see in their story kind of 1238 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:34,439 Speaker 1: where his male nous and her whiteness yes for each other. Yes, 1239 01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,599 Speaker 1: Like there's many times where you can see that if 1240 01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,800 Speaker 1: it had been her and not him, it wouldn't have 1241 01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,040 Speaker 1: gone the same way. But then again, he never got 1242 01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,560 Speaker 1: his nominations the way she did, and you know, like 1243 01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:50,160 Speaker 1: you just can kind of see those two different marginalizations 1244 01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:54,120 Speaker 1: working so differently for both of them at the same time, 1245 01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,600 Speaker 1: and I find that really interesting. I thought about that 1246 01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,800 Speaker 1: when she said a lot of people assumed I called 1247 01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:03,360 Speaker 1: the shots, and I'm like, wow, you really just like 1248 01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,519 Speaker 1: even over sexism, you kind of maybe put your racism 1249 01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,840 Speaker 1: and said, well, she's the one in charge, she's the 1250 01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:13,559 Speaker 1: smart one. She doesn't have an accent, so she's probably 1251 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,000 Speaker 1: the one making the business decisions. I really think played 1252 01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,800 Speaker 1: into that maybe you know, and then like, oh, Ship 1253 01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:24,559 Speaker 1: dos Arnetz is actually fucking brilliant and can probably out 1254 01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,479 Speaker 1: business everybody in this room. And I'll tell you why. 1255 01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:31,000 Speaker 1: It's because he knew people. He knew people so well, 1256 01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:34,840 Speaker 1: and he cared about people. You know, he cared about uh, 1257 01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:40,240 Speaker 1: bringing people laughter and entertainment and joy and dance and music, 1258 01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,840 Speaker 1: all these things that people thrive off of and they 1259 01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,960 Speaker 1: want and they'll give anything to have it. Yeah, some 1260 01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:50,760 Speaker 1: of the best material, some of the best content comes 1261 01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,600 Speaker 1: from people who are really their end goal is not 1262 01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:57,960 Speaker 1: ratings or money or fame or glory, but joy. They 1263 01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:02,640 Speaker 1: know that entertainment is joy. That's what entertainment does. It 1264 01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:04,880 Speaker 1: makes you happy to be alive for at least a 1265 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,599 Speaker 1: few minutes in time, and that's really valuable and important. 1266 01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,200 Speaker 1: It's just like why it matters to have somebody direct 1267 01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,920 Speaker 1: us O shows you need that, you really do need that. 1268 01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,679 Speaker 1: It is part of the human experience. It's very important. 1269 01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:20,760 Speaker 1: And I think he had that where he's just like, 1270 01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:24,080 Speaker 1: I just know what makes people happy, laugh and feel good, 1271 01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:28,160 Speaker 1: and that's what I want to make happen here. And yeah, 1272 01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:30,160 Speaker 1: maybe it's some weird idea where we're gonna bring in 1273 01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of paint or whatever, but I'm gonna do 1274 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,400 Speaker 1: it my way, and I think it's gonna work because 1275 01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm just looking for the joy. I'm not looking for 1276 01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,559 Speaker 1: the money necessarily, you know what I mean. And I'll 1277 01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:45,240 Speaker 1: get into it now. I mean that's why when they 1278 01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:50,160 Speaker 1: say things like, well, times are tough, so what's disposable 1279 01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:55,920 Speaker 1: all the arts is an insane proposition. And I don't 1280 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,760 Speaker 1: just say that as an artist. I think I have 1281 01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:02,800 Speaker 1: that perspective as an artist that Okay, good luck. Can 1282 01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:07,640 Speaker 1: you imagine a world with none of this, with no entertainment, 1283 01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:12,880 Speaker 1: with no performance? I mean, how could you? How? Why 1284 01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,160 Speaker 1: would you want to live in that world? That is 1285 01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,960 Speaker 1: not a productive society, that is not a group of 1286 01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,000 Speaker 1: people who are going to be at their best or 1287 01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:25,200 Speaker 1: be living their best experience. So like, even if you're 1288 01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:30,880 Speaker 1: just math and numbers and a product sales, you know, 1289 01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:34,000 Speaker 1: money circulating, like that's the only thing you care about. 1290 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,600 Speaker 1: Good luck taking the arts out of the mix. You 1291 01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,680 Speaker 1: talked to DESI, you know, because he he'll tell you 1292 01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,400 Speaker 1: how you can have both and where they and he 1293 01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,599 Speaker 1: will put you to shame um, which is literally one 1294 01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,920 Speaker 1: of the most frustrating things about the argument we should 1295 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,920 Speaker 1: cut the arts to save money, because the arts make 1296 01:22:56,200 --> 01:23:00,160 Speaker 1: money and they it's jobs. It's insane amount of jobs up. 1297 01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,040 Speaker 1: So I live in Atlanta, so we're we have a 1298 01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:09,559 Speaker 1: very we have a very pointed feeling about it's funding, 1299 01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:14,320 Speaker 1: especially because I'm in arts nonprofits. But it's just it's 1300 01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,519 Speaker 1: just galling because it's so clear in the numbers and 1301 01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,519 Speaker 1: in all of the info about it, and you just 1302 01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,360 Speaker 1: can't seem to hammered in anyone's brain. And I kind 1303 01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:28,240 Speaker 1: of get it, you know again, being a nonprofit, you're like, fundraise, fundraise, fundraise, 1304 01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,960 Speaker 1: So I'm out here asking for money for my cool 1305 01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:37,280 Speaker 1: theater show when other people are like, let's feed children, 1306 01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:41,400 Speaker 1: you know, let's freaking save some burn victims, let's handle 1307 01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,519 Speaker 1: cancer like you know, they seem to be such more 1308 01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,880 Speaker 1: important issues, and they are, and of course they deserve 1309 01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:52,479 Speaker 1: all money and attention, obviously, but the theater thing matters too, 1310 01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,000 Speaker 1: It really does, and it doesn't seem as big, but 1311 01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,599 Speaker 1: it really is well, and there's other less important things 1312 01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,960 Speaker 1: that the money could be pulled from happening. But but 1313 01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:05,599 Speaker 1: but it is that that impact I mean, not to tangent, 1314 01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,639 Speaker 1: but the economic impact of something. You know, you spend 1315 01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:14,800 Speaker 1: on a small arts festival, and it's not like circulates 1316 01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:19,880 Speaker 1: it through the economy. It's all the nearby businesses, it's 1317 01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:24,720 Speaker 1: all of the associated vendors, it's all of everyone who 1318 01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:29,920 Speaker 1: touches anyone who touches that. It is a web of 1319 01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:33,800 Speaker 1: of of industry. I mean, there's there's so much else 1320 01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:37,880 Speaker 1: involved in arts that it's it's ridiculous to think that 1321 01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:42,360 Speaker 1: if you got rid of it, you're only affecting it right, 1322 01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,080 Speaker 1: or that you're saving money because you're really not. I 1323 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,760 Speaker 1: mean again, you're being these greedy exects, thinking short term 1324 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,680 Speaker 1: money instead of long term gain and leaving a lot 1325 01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,800 Speaker 1: of money on the table because you're done. Anyway, that 1326 01:24:54,880 --> 01:25:00,120 Speaker 1: was for you Atlanta slash Georgia and the thunder is 1327 01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,640 Speaker 1: well a bit of a tangent, But but that's what 1328 01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:08,120 Speaker 1: happens here. On Ridiculous Romance. We talked about these romances 1329 01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,719 Speaker 1: and then we you know, we expound. We talked about 1330 01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:14,360 Speaker 1: how they I don't know, whatever they pops into our head. Yeah, 1331 01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,439 Speaker 1: we just like to talk so anyway, we'll never go 1332 01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:21,720 Speaker 1: on like a bagpipe. Well, let's cut the pipes. Um. 1333 01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:24,720 Speaker 1: We're so glad you guys tuned in. I hope you 1334 01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,040 Speaker 1: love this story as much as I do. I hope 1335 01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:32,240 Speaker 1: we did Lucy and Daisy justice because they deserve, uh, 1336 01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:36,880 Speaker 1: you know, just an epic presentation of all that they 1337 01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:41,320 Speaker 1: did for the world today. Really really just two of 1338 01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,200 Speaker 1: those people who just came in and changed it all. 1339 01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:48,559 Speaker 1: I know they're doing that movie Aaron Sorkin um has 1340 01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,120 Speaker 1: right in that Lucy and Daisy movie about it's like, 1341 01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,639 Speaker 1: I think it's about a week of their lives during 1342 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,479 Speaker 1: an episode of I Love Lucy that they're shooting. So 1343 01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:03,720 Speaker 1: I'm very intrigued, um, because they are fascinating characters in 1344 01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,559 Speaker 1: real life, and I think that's the movie is more 1345 01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,360 Speaker 1: about them as real people than it is about you know, 1346 01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,679 Speaker 1: Ricky and Lucy screen. Yeah, which is I guess good 1347 01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,920 Speaker 1: because I don't see Nicole Kidman doing Lucy's big humor, 1348 01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:19,920 Speaker 1: big faces and all that stuff. And Bardem is so 1349 01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:24,080 Speaker 1: different from Desi Arnez in my mind. But I've I mean, 1350 01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,640 Speaker 1: their daughter Lucy has been out talking about it and 1351 01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:30,000 Speaker 1: she's like, hey, it's not about impersonations. These are these 1352 01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:33,240 Speaker 1: are really good actors bringing my parents to life in 1353 01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:36,000 Speaker 1: a really interesting way. So I'm very excited about it. Yeah, 1354 01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,280 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be cool. Will definitely see it. 1355 01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you'll hear us bringing this episode up again, 1356 01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,320 Speaker 1: what it's got. Maybe you're listening to it now because 1357 01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,439 Speaker 1: the movie just came out and we were like pushing 1358 01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:49,479 Speaker 1: it real hard. What if the reviews are really bad? 1359 01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,519 Speaker 1: Really excited with the movie. Yeah, let it be known 1360 01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:59,840 Speaker 1: that on that today in September of're oh god, today 1361 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:04,240 Speaker 1: September one, we're very excited about this movie in the future. 1362 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:08,720 Speaker 1: And should it be terrible, Well, we didn't know. How 1363 01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,280 Speaker 1: could we have known? It'll be another life with Lucy 1364 01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:15,360 Speaker 1: all over again. Oh no, the worst thing Aaron Sorkin's 1365 01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:21,040 Speaker 1: ever done. All right, well, please let's hear from you. 1366 01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,160 Speaker 1: I want to know what you thought. I want to 1367 01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:25,840 Speaker 1: know other ideas for episodes you've gotten the future. I 1368 01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,000 Speaker 1: want to know about your Grecian tour guide that you 1369 01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:31,600 Speaker 1: told about the show reach out. You can email us 1370 01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:35,000 Speaker 1: at romance at iHeart media dot com, or on the 1371 01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:38,920 Speaker 1: social media platforms Twitter and Instagram. I'm at dianamite boom. 1372 01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,000 Speaker 1: I like how we clarify the social media platforms Twitter 1373 01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:43,960 Speaker 1: and Instagram. Like they wouldn't know what we mean if 1374 01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,880 Speaker 1: we just said Twitter and Instagram. Is Twitter? Is that 1375 01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,040 Speaker 1: a social media platform? I don't know. It's just something 1376 01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:54,240 Speaker 1: to say. Guys. All right, you're at dianamite boom, I'm at. 1377 01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:58,120 Speaker 1: Oh great, it's Eli. The show is Adverdick Romance. Follow 1378 01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:02,120 Speaker 1: us uh and and say, hey, yeah, you can't wait 1379 01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:03,920 Speaker 1: to bring you the next exciting episode of the next 1380 01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:08,360 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Romance. Thanks as always for tuning in. We really 1381 01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:10,479 Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time to hang out with us. 1382 01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,680 Speaker 1: We can't wait to do it again. 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