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Speaker 1: Isaac Wright Jr. Glad to be here. How are you
Speaker 1: pretty good? How do you feel? My man? I feel great.
Speaker 1: It's a good time. It's a good time in your life. Yes, indeed,
Speaker 1: well you know I was. You know, I get up
Speaker 1: at four o'clock every day and uh we did that.
Speaker 1: That didn't freeze you? How? You know? That throws to
Speaker 1: me a little bit. What time you get up? It
Speaker 1: come on that? Well, sometimes I'm still up at four o'clock.
Speaker 1: It just depends on It just depends on what's on
Speaker 1: my plate for the for the following day of the
Speaker 1: following week. Um. I try to get up as early
Speaker 1: as I possibly can, but I get to bed so
Speaker 1: late trying to trying to catch up. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: been playing catch up lately, especially with the with the show,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, my my career and my obligations,
Speaker 1: responsibilities to the court, and so I've been juggling, you know,
Speaker 1: all these responsibilities, and so it's it's been a little
Speaker 1: bit more hectic. But I try to get up. I
Speaker 1: mean I could never get up at four o'clock in
Speaker 1: the morning, I mean if if I went to bed
Speaker 1: earlier to that. But I try to get up at
Speaker 1: least between seven thirty and eight o'clock every morning. Now,
Speaker 1: I had a intro was pretty dramatic, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Uh, you know, in nineteen and one, you
Speaker 1: were sentenced to life in prison plus seventy two years,
Speaker 1: and and other seventy two plus seventy two years. If
Speaker 1: life wasn't enough, we got seven to two years. We
Speaker 1: can just go just for just good measures, just in
Speaker 1: case you confused about the life I got some two years. Wait, no,
Speaker 1: you And now you're sitting here next to me executive
Speaker 1: producing an ABC series with my man fifty cents. How
Speaker 1: does that happen? Brother? Come on? Um, you know fifty
Speaker 1: was a made man when I when I when I
Speaker 1: met him, obviously. Uh. And then in addition to him
Speaker 1: being a made man in the rap world and in business. Um.
Speaker 1: He had already had one of the number one TV
Speaker 1: shows Power you know on the air Stars and so UM.
Speaker 1: I met him through uh a mutual friend. This guy
Speaker 1: UM that I met him through. He owned an illegal
Speaker 1: fight club. He ran an illegal fight club in the
Speaker 1: Bronx and illegal. It was illegal. Yeah. They you know,
Speaker 1: they did the they did the fighting things in the
Speaker 1: in the in the warehouses and the you know the
Speaker 1: Junkyard sanction that nothing was sanction it was. It was
Speaker 1: actually shut down a few times by by law enforcement. UM.
Speaker 1: And so it was it was top of the line illegal. UM.
Speaker 1: But he was successful in getting to three people to
Speaker 1: come out and watch these fights. And as a as
Speaker 1: a popularity in the in the fight group, it became
Speaker 1: tougher to you know, to keep it on the ground.
Speaker 1: He even had rappers to come out, Fat Joe, Remy Mall.
Speaker 1: They came out, they would perform during intermission and he
Speaker 1: was trying to at illegal fight club. Yeah. They got
Speaker 1: there rapping, yeah. Yeah. And in the ring there was
Speaker 1: a big ring. They build a ring. You know, they listened.
Speaker 1: It was so sophisticated. They had drones that was up
Speaker 1: in the in the in the guy beating the camera
Speaker 1: down from the top angle and streaming that, you know,
Speaker 1: the cell phones and everything. I mean, the guy, he
Speaker 1: really had it put together. The problem was it was illegal.
Speaker 1: So you know when you went to the the fifties, like
Speaker 1: you know, fifty men, you know, you take us really
Speaker 1: really over the top. If you come out and perform
Speaker 1: and in fift I listen, I gotta promote promotors license
Speaker 1: in Nevada, Nevada. If I come to your fight club,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose that. I'm not as I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: do that. He says. When you get legal, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll come out and perform. And so you know, they
Speaker 1: spent tens of thousands of dollar as an attorneys trying
Speaker 1: to get legal. Fifty even passed him a couple and
Speaker 1: fifties attorneys basically told him up front, listen, you're out
Speaker 1: of your mind. It's never gonna happen. It's impossible, uh,
Speaker 1: to just move through through the regulatory issues to get
Speaker 1: something like this legal. This just can't be done. And
Speaker 1: so another individual who's the owner of Rough Riders, Darren Dean,
Speaker 1: is a friend of mine. Uh he heard this guy.
Speaker 1: His name is Hove. He heard him complaining, you know,
Speaker 1: about not being able to get legal and all the
Speaker 1: money that he spent. So so Darren says, listen, where
Speaker 1: all these lawyers failed you. I think I got the
Speaker 1: guy that may be able to help you out. So
Speaker 1: he introduced me to Hope, and Hope told me his issues,
Speaker 1: and I actually went to one of the legal flight cover.
Speaker 1: This was in two thousand and so I went to
Speaker 1: I went to one of the the fights just to
Speaker 1: get a feel on what was happening. And I said, okay,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll help you, and I got them
Speaker 1: legal in two weeks, and fifty went out and performed,
Speaker 1: and ut fifty went out and performed. He was like,
Speaker 1: he was blown away. How to how in the world
Speaker 1: were you able to do this? Who did this? Because
Speaker 1: when he got there there was police on both sides
Speaker 1: of the street. There was hundreds of people outside. There
Speaker 1: was a police on both sides of the street. So
Speaker 1: he thought fifty thought when he got there that they
Speaker 1: were getting ready to shut it down. The actually just
Speaker 1: driver to act the police, you know, what was up?
Speaker 1: What's going on? So the police says a crowd control
Speaker 1: when when you see where out here doing crowd control.
Speaker 1: So so so like as you know, everybody going, cops,
Speaker 1: oh go have go have fun. We're gonna make We're
Speaker 1: just out here to make sure everybody's say, traffic flow.
Speaker 1: So he wouldn't have performed, and you know, he was like,
Speaker 1: how the hell did this happen? The guy explained to
Speaker 1: fifty you know about me, about my story and that
Speaker 1: I got them legal, and fifties like, listen, have him
Speaker 1: in my office and next tomorrow, man, I want to
Speaker 1: talk to this guy. So I sat down with Yes,
Speaker 1: that gotta be me. So I sat down with him
Speaker 1: and we talked, and you know, he was like, would
Speaker 1: you let me run with this as a TV show?
Speaker 1: You know, there was there was some talking to hear
Speaker 1: about a movie, but the fifty was like, nah, his
Speaker 1: vision was way out there. He was like, na, but
Speaker 1: people want to want to hear this. Let me back
Speaker 1: up a little bit, Isaac. When you say run with this,
Speaker 1: what was this you were talking about? What the concept
Speaker 1: was was was around a movie. And when he heard
Speaker 1: the story, he immediately I mean I can see his
Speaker 1: mind turning, you know, he immediately he said to me,
Speaker 1: he says, he kind of stopped me and he said, listen,
Speaker 1: this is not this is a movie. Can it can
Speaker 1: be later on, but this is this is a TV show.
Speaker 1: This is something that people want to be inspired over
Speaker 1: every single week. Uh. And I want to be able
Speaker 1: to be comfortable in telling this story in ways where
Speaker 1: where we can continue to enlighten and continue to inspire
Speaker 1: and continue to prove i'd hope to people. And so
Speaker 1: I said, you know, it's it's cool. Whatever you want
Speaker 1: to do. I said, okay, and he and he made
Speaker 1: it happen. And one of the things that that um
Speaker 1: was very very significant to me and in dealing with
Speaker 1: that decision that he made, is that the guy that
Speaker 1: brought me to him, now, remember this is just an idea.
Speaker 1: There's no contracts, there's no agreements, there's nothing. He goes
Speaker 1: to the guy. He says, listen, I'm gonna pay you
Speaker 1: for a year. Tomorrow. Come by my office tomorrow. I'll
Speaker 1: have the cash you're waiting for you. That's how confident
Speaker 1: he was and what he had and what he knew
Speaker 1: what he could do with it. He started committing himself
Speaker 1: before the financially, before there was any agreement. Well, no,
Speaker 1: he didn't do it to me. He did it to
Speaker 1: the guy that that brought me there. In other words,
Speaker 1: he said, listen, I'm not leaving you out. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be a part of this too. But what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do is I'm gonna pay you in advance for an
Speaker 1: entire year for every episode that I believe that's going
Speaker 1: that I'm I'll be able to get out the first year.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay you for that now. And he didn't
Speaker 1: even speak to He had spoken to nobody, no writers.
Speaker 1: Sony was nowhere to be found at that time. Maybec
Speaker 1: was nowhere to be found. He but he knew he
Speaker 1: saw the road and and and he committed himself on
Speaker 1: that road that he saw and it materialized. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he was a visionary. And when I saw that
Speaker 1: because I see those things, you know, I the experience
Speaker 1: that I have in trying to survive in prison, in
Speaker 1: a maximum security prison, and it was the only one
Speaker 1: for seven and a half years. It was the only
Speaker 1: one in the state. So that meant that that that
Speaker 1: every undesirable that was there was put in the same
Speaker 1: place with everybody else. And in order to survive in
Speaker 1: that environment, you have to learn how to size a
Speaker 1: person up in zero point three seconds, I could size
Speaker 1: you up even if you don't open your mouth. When
Speaker 1: he did that, I knew because I was there, I
Speaker 1: was talking to him, I was studying him to longer
Speaker 1: he was studying me. I was studying him. I knew
Speaker 1: I could roll the dice and turn my back. And
Speaker 1: that's what I did. I rolled the dice, walked out
Speaker 1: his office, and here I am. Are you happy? Emulated
Speaker 1: so seven in prison? Yes, when I read your story,
Speaker 1: it was started. You represented yourself? Yes? Why? Um? In
Speaker 1: trial the first time, I represented myself from the outset,
Speaker 1: but no legal training, no legal training, and all I
Speaker 1: had was a high school diploma. Most of most of
Speaker 1: the most of the grounds that I made, and most
Speaker 1: of the law that I created, I created with the
Speaker 1: high school diploma. While I was in prison, most of
Speaker 1: the people that I that I got out, I got
Speaker 1: out with a high school diploma. Um. And and and
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why I can I'm still
Speaker 1: saying that today is because I haven't been licensed that long,
Speaker 1: because because of the challenges that they that is, when
Speaker 1: I actually got licensed, they investigated me. I passed the
Speaker 1: bar actually in two thousand and eight. If if I
Speaker 1: had been licensed after I passed the bar, I would
Speaker 1: have probably quadrupled what I had accomplished when I was
Speaker 1: in prison by now. And Uh. But what they did
Speaker 1: was they investigated me for another nine years, something that
Speaker 1: should have taken a couple of weeks. Uh. They investigating
Speaker 1: me for nine years before giving me my license, and
Speaker 1: what I literally had to do. UM, after nine years
Speaker 1: had passed, there was a Supreme Court justice, her name
Speaker 1: was Virginia Long out of New Jersey. She was one
Speaker 1: of the justices that that made a landmark ruling in
Speaker 1: my civil case. UM that for the first time in
Speaker 1: the history of that state. It made the state viable
Speaker 1: for conduct of prosecutors. And before it was counties counties
Speaker 1: that would have been live and there was there was
Speaker 1: all these immunities that went with it, but my case
Speaker 1: changed that, and she was one of the judges. She retired.
Speaker 1: UM around two thousand, fifteen sixteen. She retired, And when
Speaker 1: I found she retired, I wentn't looking for her, and
Speaker 1: I located her in a law firm, very huge law
Speaker 1: from international law from called Fox Rachaw. I called her
Speaker 1: up and she remembered who I was, and she offered
Speaker 1: me to come in for a consultation. I sat down
Speaker 1: with her and when she found out what was going on,
Speaker 1: she was really appalled about it. She was it was
Speaker 1: it was just incredible to her as a Supreme Court
Speaker 1: retired Supreme Court justice, because you know, the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: controls all of that. They're the top dogs when it
Speaker 1: comes down to not only the judicial system in the state,
Speaker 1: but also who practices and who doesn't. If there's disciplinary actions,
Speaker 1: they're the ones who suspends you or disciplinary disciplines you,
Speaker 1: or or revoke your license. They control all of that.
Speaker 1: So she basically let me know and no, no, no
Speaker 1: small terms that uh she felt for my situation, she
Speaker 1: uh was going to she couldn't actually represent me because
Speaker 1: it was a conflict of interest and being that she
Speaker 1: was on the bench during my civil case. But fortunately
Speaker 1: her husband was also a partner at the firm, and
Speaker 1: so she says, what I'm going to do is I'm
Speaker 1: going to let my husband represent you. That's me. My
Speaker 1: husband represents me and I represent him. Um, and being
Speaker 1: that I was on the bench, they understand what that means.
Speaker 1: So he came in and within six months I had
Speaker 1: a license. Within after nine years when he came in
Speaker 1: within six months, I had a license. And there's a
Speaker 1: picture of me. You can see it on the internet.
Speaker 1: It's all over the internet, and it's on my Instagram
Speaker 1: of me being sworn in. There's a lady with with
Speaker 1: blonde hair, light light whitish blonde hair, an older lady
Speaker 1: swearing me in. That sir, that's a retired chief not
Speaker 1: Chief Justice, but Justice of the Supreme Court of the Congratulations.
Speaker 1: This problem is nationwide and and people are in their effects,
Speaker 1: predominantly people of color. And so when you hear me
Speaker 1: say something like that, does it get you mad, motivates
Speaker 1: you for change? It doesn't. It doesn't get me mad
Speaker 1: at all. Uh, it motivates, It motivates me for change
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Speaker 1: this is a controversial statement that I'm gonna make, but
Speaker 1: I really believe in it. I think as as minorities,
Speaker 1: as as blacks, um, we've been we've been mad for
Speaker 1: a long time. And I think I think we should
Speaker 1: because being mad takes a lot of energy. And I
Speaker 1: think if we refocused as a people, refocused that energy
Speaker 1: on making changes, because we're a powerful people, well we really,
Speaker 1: we really really are and a lot of times anger
Speaker 1: has a has a way of distorting the way you
Speaker 1: think and the decisions that you make. Um. But if
Speaker 1: if we can if we can uh refocus a lot
Speaker 1: of anger into action. Uh. You know, I think we
Speaker 1: can move mountains as a people. Uh. And and you know,
Speaker 1: even for me being in the situation that I was in,
Speaker 1: there was room for for a lot of anger, for
Speaker 1: for for being enraged, and and just to just to
Speaker 1: give you an example of what I'm saying, there was
Speaker 1: a there was a time early on when I had
Speaker 1: a decided that I was going to represent myself. And
Speaker 1: you know that was a you talk about when you
Speaker 1: represent yourself in court, in court, yes, in my during
Speaker 1: my my my trials. Um. You know, I had made
Speaker 1: a decision early on that I was going to represent myself.
Speaker 1: And I remember I was in my cell working on
Speaker 1: a on an emotion, and um, I was I was
Speaker 1: working almost all night, and I fell asleep in the
Speaker 1: middle of writing the motion, and maybe an hour or
Speaker 1: two I woke back up and I decided that I
Speaker 1: was going to pick up where I left off, and
Speaker 1: I began to read what I had written just to
Speaker 1: kind of get myself acquainted with it again and started
Speaker 1: where I left off. And and when I started reading,
Speaker 1: I began to look around because it seemed to me
Speaker 1: that there was something wrong. That was I was beginning
Speaker 1: to look around to see where those papers were that
Speaker 1: I was working on, where that emotion was that I
Speaker 1: was working on, because I didn't even recognize what I
Speaker 1: was reading it was it was so it was so
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with emotion and anger that I didn't recognize myself.
Speaker 1: I didn't recognize the person that had written it. And
Speaker 1: that was That was a divine moment for me because
Speaker 1: it it took me somewhere mentally and emotionally that I
Speaker 1: needed to go in the sense that that I was
Speaker 1: never going to have the kind of focus that I
Speaker 1: needed to have in order to get myself out of
Speaker 1: this situation being burdened down with negative emotions um and
Speaker 1: anger is a very negative emotion. Sometimes it's well placed,
Speaker 1: but most of the time, anger is a very very
Speaker 1: misplaced emotion. The moment I decided that I was going
Speaker 1: to manage and control all that I had to learn
Speaker 1: to separate myself from my that emotional state, and the
Speaker 1: moment I did that, uh, I moved into a moment
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Speaker 1: dot ai And that's just amazing, because that wasn't the
Speaker 1: direction you used pursuing your life. Until this happened, had
Speaker 1: absolutely no interest in the law at all, um and
Speaker 1: and and never picked up a law book before in
Speaker 1: my life. And the first time I did it was
Speaker 1: like I was doing it all my life. And in
Speaker 1: that moment of clarity, Uh took a gift and turned
Speaker 1: it into a snowball rolling down a hill. So that
Speaker 1: seven and a half years later, by the time I
Speaker 1: got back in court, I was so good that I
Speaker 1: got a veteran police officer to confess on the stand.
Speaker 1: And that that's how I actually how I how I
Speaker 1: ultimately got out a veteran cop Uh seven and a
Speaker 1: half years before that, he was a detective in the
Speaker 1: prosecutors office. Seven and a half years later, when I
Speaker 1: got him back on that stand, he was the chief
Speaker 1: of the police academy. That's how much he had risen.
Speaker 1: And and obviously he's a more sophisticated individual, and I
Speaker 1: was able to get him to literally not only confess,
Speaker 1: but to put himself in jail. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: when you confess the misconduct like that, perjured testimony, falsifying
Speaker 1: police reports, you know you're you're going to jail. And
Speaker 1: so you know, I was just that good seven and
Speaker 1: a half years later, no law degree, high school diploma,
Speaker 1: and I did something that lawyers practiced their entire life
Speaker 1: to do. I did that as a person, as a
Speaker 1: young man with with the high school diploma. Now and
Speaker 1: when I look at the television series, the lead lead
Speaker 1: actor has that anger in him, Yes, anger because it
Speaker 1: should be there because he's not he's not he's in
Speaker 1: the place he's not supposed to be of your wife
Speaker 1: played by George Bryant. Um. Also, she's living in it
Speaker 1: with your best friend, and then your daughter. They're now
Speaker 1: living with your best friend, yes, in a romantic relationship,
Speaker 1: and now you're in jail. What made that character development
Speaker 1: like that? What was the whole rationale was setting it
Speaker 1: up like that? Um? Well, you know the the the
Speaker 1: the colleague we I just gave you about what I
Speaker 1: had to go through to actually get a license. It's
Speaker 1: a very long time. That's a couple of decades, and
Speaker 1: so creatively, what was the decision was made to condense that? Um,
Speaker 1: so that we can carry the public through some of
Speaker 1: the triumphs and and and some of the agonies of
Speaker 1: defeat that you go through in that process. Uh and
Speaker 1: so and and what the family is going through with you.
Speaker 1: And so Aaron Wallace is a representation of you know,
Speaker 1: all those things wrapped up into one, even the emotions
Speaker 1: that I was telling you about. One of the things
Speaker 1: about me having to hide that emotion and having to
Speaker 1: control it is that it does not give the public
Speaker 1: what was really going on inside me. And so what
Speaker 1: we decided to do is we decided to allow the
Speaker 1: public to reflect on not only this anger and this
Speaker 1: agony that Aaron was going through as a character, but
Speaker 1: also how he has to manage to control it in
Speaker 1: order to move ahead. That's that's that's key. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you have the the the destruction of family
Speaker 1: that occurs when you're when you're in prison, um, and
Speaker 1: when you're in relationships, the destruction of the relationship, the
Speaker 1: the total annihilation of the family nucleus. And so this,
Speaker 1: this this conflict between this three way conflict between Aaron,
Speaker 1: his best friend, and his wife, you know, is a reality.
Speaker 1: You know, these things happen, uh in the world. I
Speaker 1: went in uh in prison. I went into prison with
Speaker 1: the family, with a wife and a daughter, you know,
Speaker 1: and when I came out of prison, I didn't have
Speaker 1: my family anymore, you know, and so and so those
Speaker 1: are the realities of prison for many men. Uh in America.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's very, very difficult to have a
Speaker 1: life sentence with seven years on top of it and
Speaker 1: people waiting for you to come home, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: the the the general consensus is that the power of
Speaker 1: the government is is too large for you and it's
Speaker 1: time to move on emotionally, physically. And then you trapped
Speaker 1: with that idea that I'm in a s yes, wait
Speaker 1: for me, wait for me, wait for me. So you call.
Speaker 1: Did you ever give up with that? With that emotional
Speaker 1: damage that you know it's being done to your family
Speaker 1: and the fact that you don't know if you can
Speaker 1: actually get yourself out of jail. Um. No, I didn't
Speaker 1: never give up, you know. You know. One of the
Speaker 1: things about about dealing with these kind of challenges is
Speaker 1: that is that it starts with your mind. My reality
Speaker 1: was that I was going to die in prison, and
Speaker 1: so that's right. But but but the reason why that
Speaker 1: was my reality is because someone gave me that reality.
Speaker 1: That reality was given to me, and so that wasn't
Speaker 1: the reality that I created. That was the reality that
Speaker 1: was given to me. And So what I did was
Speaker 1: I lived in my reality, the one I created. That's
Speaker 1: why I didn't. I wasn't going to be a slave
Speaker 1: to the reality that they created for me. Which is important,
Speaker 1: you know, which is very very control can control my reality.
Speaker 1: The reality got you living in is an uncontrolled environment.
Speaker 1: You don't know what the food next year gona. You
Speaker 1: don't know if your cell door is gonna open three
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning and someone comes in there, whether
Speaker 1: a shame can take your life. You have no idea
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen to you from one day or the other.
Speaker 1: And so one of the things that I did was
Speaker 1: I created my own reality, and that reality was based
Speaker 1: on on my own intellect, the gifts that I had
Speaker 1: in the tenacity, uh, that I engaged in order to
Speaker 1: protect myself and my family, mostly my family, because this
Speaker 1: was not just an attack on me, It was an
Speaker 1: attack on my family. Uh. And when you look at
Speaker 1: the destruction going on around you that you are inside
Speaker 1: watching you can't do anything about you, You realize that
Speaker 1: this was more than just about you. This is this
Speaker 1: is about how it decimates families and communities. Absolutely, and
Speaker 1: you were right in the middle of that now now
Speaker 1: you're an executive producer, you're given that title for this
Speaker 1: ABC series we're talking about Isaza right, Jr. Your story
Speaker 1: inspired this series. It's a fictional series about a fact,
Speaker 1: a legal series and the family dynamics as on ABC
Speaker 1: Arizona Tuesday nights. Um Cents will make a guest appearance
Speaker 1: on March four. What is your role as an executive
Speaker 1: producer of the series, Um, Well, executive producers. Uh, the
Speaker 1: other boss. But I mean that's why that's what I said.
Speaker 1: There there's a there's a number of us. I mean
Speaker 1: there's there's Allison Greenspan, Doug Robertson, he's an executive ducer.
Speaker 1: Fifty as an executive producer, you know, the big bosses,
Speaker 1: Sony and ABC. Uh, And I have ABC with me
Speaker 1: right now. They're they're not only my boss, but but
Speaker 1: they're also my partner. Absolutely absolutely, And that's where it
Speaker 1: should be. That's what that's what you want people. I
Speaker 1: would tell people if you if you're promoting your traveling along,
Speaker 1: that's not good. You've got people traveling with you. That's
Speaker 1: the side that they care and they want to make
Speaker 1: it happen. And this is this is a great series.
Speaker 1: First of all, because I was emotionally charged by the
Speaker 1: whole breakdown of that person. Who Here's an interesting thing
Speaker 1: about the series four Life that we're talking about that's
Speaker 1: inspired by your incarceration and your triumph as a as
Speaker 1: a as an attorney now and for lancipison and entrepreneur,
Speaker 1: is that as as as he's in prison and then
Speaker 1: he used to go out of prison, he gets to
Speaker 1: put on the suit, but then he's dictated, Hey, it's
Speaker 1: time to undress, time to go back to what you
Speaker 1: really are supposed to be. And so that really is
Speaker 1: a mental tub and so that really it's what inspires
Speaker 1: me to say, Wow, he's dealing out our root for
Speaker 1: him all. And so you this plays out. This is
Speaker 1: the opening, um, I guess credits talk about I used
Speaker 1: to be one of you guys, used to be just
Speaker 1: like you. I was free, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I got the police busted to my night club and
Speaker 1: found drugs and then announced me to be a Keen
Speaker 1: Paig announcer in life in prison, my family has been
Speaker 1: yanked away from me. My wife she now is living
Speaker 1: in a relationship with my best friend, my daughter. I
Speaker 1: don't know what she's doing in her life, but guess
Speaker 1: what I want to reconnect with her, and that is
Speaker 1: the serious. So right there, it sets up a lane
Speaker 1: of frustration and passion for the character. And so the
Speaker 1: serious is tied to the fact that every episode is
Speaker 1: this he's developing as a man because he has to
Speaker 1: redevelop as a man in prison. He's a man outside
Speaker 1: of prison, but a man in prison is a different
Speaker 1: person because you're dealing with different dynamics. And so each
Speaker 1: episode is his journey for not only trying to seek
Speaker 1: his freedom, but the freedom of other people. Because every
Speaker 1: time he received success as a lawyer, that more people
Speaker 1: are inspired by his efforts. And that's what pushed me
Speaker 1: to say I want to see this show, and push
Speaker 1: me to say I want to see you. And you
Speaker 1: brought up. You brought up an incredible point because it's
Speaker 1: the easiest thing in the world for a judge not
Speaker 1: to even look at your papers when you put it in.
Speaker 1: You don't know, they just rubber stamp it. Oh, that's
Speaker 1: that's that nonsensitive stamp denied can move on. It takes
Speaker 1: a certain amount of respect to allow them to force
Speaker 1: them to do a double take and say you know
Speaker 1: what I better read this. It takes a certain level
Speaker 1: of respect and so and so what this journey does
Speaker 1: with for life, it takes eron through that growth. Aaron Wallace.
Speaker 1: Aaron Wallace, You'll see him moving through that growth where
Speaker 1: you know, in that first episode you saw him one
Speaker 1: this win this case that gave you a glimpse of
Speaker 1: a case with some complicated techniques, complicated technic and you know,
Speaker 1: and the thing about that, the thing you could because
Speaker 1: because all these things, you know, we talked about and
Speaker 1: they asked me about it, and there was a question
Speaker 1: to me about you know, you know, should we should
Speaker 1: we do this? And you know, I was like, because
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so my understanding about the system is is
Speaker 1: so intimate. I was like, of course should you That
Speaker 1: shouldn't be even question. Yes, forged that paper, you know,
Speaker 1: because here's here's the thing about this country. In this country,
Speaker 1: the way your system is supposed to be shut up,
Speaker 1: set up is that it is better for a guilty
Speaker 1: man to go free than an innocent person to spend
Speaker 1: a day in prison for something he didn't do. We
Speaker 1: would rather be guilty to go free than to send
Speaker 1: an innocent person in prison. That is the way our
Speaker 1: system of justice is supposed to be set up. That
Speaker 1: is all. That is one of the guiding principles of
Speaker 1: our system of justice, so that we can ensure that
Speaker 1: we will do whatever it takes to prevent a person
Speaker 1: that's innocent from going to prison. And that's not how
Speaker 1: it's working. It's working differently. And so when you see
Speaker 1: Aaron making that desperate move forging this document, he's forging
Speaker 1: this document. He is doing the wrong thing for the
Speaker 1: right reasons. And the risk that he's taken, you'll see
Speaker 1: down the line, it's going to come back. That risk
Speaker 1: is going to come back at him right and his
Speaker 1: family because he has a because basically a little other
Speaker 1: side noticed that a lot of people are not happy
Speaker 1: that he has a law degree. As he saw a
Speaker 1: little cool leap loop loophole allowed him to get it.
Speaker 1: And so every time he goes in front of a judge,
Speaker 1: you know, they questioned his technique, they call him a novicet,
Speaker 1: They tell him to do more homework. So he's constantly disrespected.
Speaker 1: But because he is as the as the and and
Speaker 1: the way he got the law degree, somebody vouched for
Speaker 1: him at a higher position, and that now what's happening
Speaker 1: On the d A side, they hate this, so their
Speaker 1: goal is to be able to see stop him from
Speaker 1: winning and to crush him. And so that carries so
Speaker 1: you know, you got your enemies, you got your people,
Speaker 1: your Roofa, you got the five family, and you got
Speaker 1: the prison. So it turns in the prison into like, uh,
Speaker 1: good guys. The angry guys are the d A and
Speaker 1: it's got named mask masking. They bad people, bad people,
Speaker 1: bad people. And so so when you when you see
Speaker 1: that and just letting people, why would I watch this series?
Speaker 1: How would I relate to the series. You're gonna relate
Speaker 1: because it as a family dynamic in it. You can
Speaker 1: relate because you you feel some type of pain, but
Speaker 1: because somebody is innocently incarcerated. And then you realize, also
Speaker 1: this is regular people. This is regular regular people. And
Speaker 1: even even when he's uh, even when he's um found out,
Speaker 1: one of the gods provides him with information so they
Speaker 1: know he's a good guy. And so that is when
Speaker 1: I'm I love good storytelling, and so good storytelling helps
Speaker 1: me out when they plug in it. Yes, the reason
Speaker 1: this action is happening, why is it happen? Why is it.
Speaker 1: Why is why are we doing this? Because I hate
Speaker 1: it when you just jump over the jump over three
Speaker 1: to get the five. You know, these dark tunnels, whether
Speaker 1: it's the information, is the important information to give continuity
Speaker 1: is missing. But this, this story, this is continuity there
Speaker 1: and you can follow it, uh, and you can understand,
Speaker 1: you know, why these things are happening and the things
Speaker 1: that you don't really understand it's hidden from you in
Speaker 1: the beginning. It's revealed to you, you know, revealed to
Speaker 1: you later on. But but I think they did an
Speaker 1: incredible job. Uh. Nicholas Peanuck? Uh is the am I
Speaker 1: pronouncing that right? Pinuck? I'm sorry. I hope he's not
Speaker 1: listening right now. But Nicholas, you know, he's an incredible actor. Um.
Speaker 1: He just he is so profound in his acting. And
Speaker 1: you've seen the episode. So I'm speaking to the choir
Speaker 1: right now. That it has it has affected me that
Speaker 1: it is. It has been therapeutic for me watching him
Speaker 1: because it's like it's like watching myself, and the things
Speaker 1: that he shows outwardly are the things that I know
Speaker 1: I was feeling inside. You know. You know. The interesting
Speaker 1: thing about it, Nicholas plays the character Aaron Wallace, which
Speaker 1: is the lead character in this series for Life, which
Speaker 1: is on ABC Ers on Tuesday night. The thing about
Speaker 1: it is that you know, he can't say character with
Speaker 1: anger so close to the edge. Man, I feel nervous
Speaker 1: when he with the warden. I feel nervous for him.
Speaker 1: Shut up, dude, would you should be quiet? Because he's
Speaker 1: always internally mad. Yeah, And that's what I love about
Speaker 1: the character. And it makes me nervous. It makes me
Speaker 1: nervous in a good way. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: from a from a viewer stand for him and going, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: shut up, you're about to blow it. Would you just
Speaker 1: calmed down? Because its character just goes so close to
Speaker 1: the edge all the time. And that's a that's beautiful man.
Speaker 1: It is. And I had nobody to tell me that.
Speaker 1: I had to learn that um from from trial and
Speaker 1: error and so and so. What's beautiful about it it's
Speaker 1: because that reality not only taps into his humanity, but
Speaker 1: but it also just like what you were doing, you
Speaker 1: were trying to guide him from the TV sets. Shut up,
Speaker 1: shut up. You're pushing too far when they let him in.
Speaker 1: You know, because I've seen his anger when he led
Speaker 1: him in the room with the warden by herself. Please
Speaker 1: don't braw this woman start strangling. Okay, cool? Well, guess
Speaker 1: what they gave me the signal. I hopefully you enjoyed
Speaker 1: this interview. I've been enjoying. We went kind of along,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep talking to you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate. The beautiful thing about this show is that
Speaker 1: Tuesday night, my man fifty cents to be making a
Speaker 1: guest the parents his character on the show. Do you
Speaker 1: know fifty? He does it both ways? You know, you
Speaker 1: know fifty fifty? Uh created the power series and got
Speaker 1: my fifty. Most shows about the bounce out Uh and Havoc.
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