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He was 40 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: on top of the world when he was Falster accused 41 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: and convicted of being a drug kingpan in nineteen one. 42 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: He was sentenced to life in prison plus seventy two 43 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: years on other drug convictions. He is now the executive 44 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: producer of the new ABC fictional legal and family drama 45 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: series for Life, Please Work with the Money Making Conversations 46 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: Isaac Wright Jr. Glad to be here. How are you 47 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: pretty good? How do you feel? My man? I feel great. 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: It's a good time. It's a good time in your life. Yes, indeed, 49 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: well you know I was. You know, I get up 50 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: at four o'clock every day and uh we did that. 51 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: That didn't freeze you? How? You know? That throws to 52 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: me a little bit. What time you get up? It 53 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: come on that? Well, sometimes I'm still up at four o'clock. 54 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: It just depends on It just depends on what's on 55 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: my plate for the for the following day of the 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: following week. Um. I try to get up as early 57 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: as I possibly can, but I get to bed so 58 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: late trying to trying to catch up. I mean, I've 59 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: been playing catch up lately, especially with the with the show, 60 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, my my career and my obligations, 61 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: responsibilities to the court, and so I've been juggling, you know, 62 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: all these responsibilities, and so it's it's been a little 63 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: bit more hectic. But I try to get up. I 64 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: mean I could never get up at four o'clock in 65 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: the morning, I mean if if I went to bed 66 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: earlier to that. But I try to get up at 67 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: least between seven thirty and eight o'clock every morning. Now, 68 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: I had a intro was pretty dramatic, you know what 69 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Uh, you know, in nineteen and one, you 70 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: were sentenced to life in prison plus seventy two years, 71 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: and and other seventy two plus seventy two years. If 72 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: life wasn't enough, we got seven to two years. We 73 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: can just go just for just good measures, just in 74 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: case you confused about the life I got some two years. Wait, no, 75 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: you And now you're sitting here next to me executive 76 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: producing an ABC series with my man fifty cents. How 77 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: does that happen? Brother? Come on? Um, you know fifty 78 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: was a made man when I when I when I 79 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: met him, obviously. Uh. And then in addition to him 80 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: being a made man in the rap world and in business. Um. 81 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: He had already had one of the number one TV 82 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: shows Power you know on the air Stars and so UM. 83 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: I met him through uh a mutual friend. This guy 84 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: UM that I met him through. He owned an illegal 85 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: fight club. He ran an illegal fight club in the 86 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: Bronx and illegal. It was illegal. Yeah. They you know, 87 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: they did the they did the fighting things in the 88 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: in the in the warehouses and the you know the 89 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: Junkyard sanction that nothing was sanction it was. It was 90 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: actually shut down a few times by by law enforcement. UM. 91 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: And so it was it was top of the line illegal. UM. 92 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: But he was successful in getting to three people to 93 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: come out and watch these fights. And as a as 94 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: a popularity in the in the fight group, it became 95 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: tougher to you know, to keep it on the ground. 96 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: He even had rappers to come out, Fat Joe, Remy Mall. 97 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: They came out, they would perform during intermission and he 98 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: was trying to at illegal fight club. Yeah. They got 99 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: there rapping, yeah. Yeah. And in the ring there was 100 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: a big ring. They build a ring. You know, they listened. 101 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: It was so sophisticated. They had drones that was up 102 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: in the in the in the guy beating the camera 103 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: down from the top angle and streaming that, you know, 104 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: the cell phones and everything. I mean, the guy, he 105 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: really had it put together. The problem was it was illegal. 106 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: So you know when you went to the the fifties, like 107 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: you know, fifty men, you know, you take us really 108 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: really over the top. If you come out and perform 109 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,559 Speaker 1: and in fift I listen, I gotta promote promotors license 110 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: in Nevada, Nevada. If I come to your fight club, 111 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose that. I'm not as I'm not gonna 112 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: do that. He says. When you get legal, uh, you know, 113 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: I'll come out and perform. And so you know, they 114 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: spent tens of thousands of dollar as an attorneys trying 115 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: to get legal. Fifty even passed him a couple and 116 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: fifties attorneys basically told him up front, listen, you're out 117 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: of your mind. It's never gonna happen. It's impossible, uh, 118 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: to just move through through the regulatory issues to get 119 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: something like this legal. This just can't be done. And 120 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: so another individual who's the owner of Rough Riders, Darren Dean, 121 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: is a friend of mine. Uh he heard this guy. 122 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: His name is Hove. He heard him complaining, you know, 123 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: about not being able to get legal and all the 124 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: money that he spent. So so Darren says, listen, where 125 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: all these lawyers failed you. I think I got the 126 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: guy that may be able to help you out. So 127 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: he introduced me to Hope, and Hope told me his issues, 128 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: and I actually went to one of the legal flight cover. 129 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: This was in two thousand and so I went to 130 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: I went to one of the the fights just to 131 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: get a feel on what was happening. And I said, okay, 132 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll help you, and I got them 133 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: legal in two weeks, and fifty went out and performed, 134 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: and ut fifty went out and performed. He was like, 135 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: he was blown away. How to how in the world 136 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: were you able to do this? Who did this? Because 137 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: when he got there there was police on both sides 138 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: of the street. There was hundreds of people outside. There 139 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: was a police on both sides of the street. So 140 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: he thought fifty thought when he got there that they 141 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: were getting ready to shut it down. The actually just 142 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: driver to act the police, you know, what was up? 143 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: What's going on? So the police says a crowd control 144 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: when when you see where out here doing crowd control. 145 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: So so so like as you know, everybody going, cops, 146 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: oh go have go have fun. We're gonna make We're 147 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: just out here to make sure everybody's say, traffic flow. 148 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: So he wouldn't have performed, and you know, he was like, 149 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: how the hell did this happen? The guy explained to 150 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: fifty you know about me, about my story and that 151 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: I got them legal, and fifties like, listen, have him 152 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: in my office and next tomorrow, man, I want to 153 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: talk to this guy. So I sat down with Yes, 154 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: that gotta be me. So I sat down with him 155 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: and we talked, and you know, he was like, would 156 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: you let me run with this as a TV show? 157 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: You know, there was there was some talking to hear 158 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: about a movie, but the fifty was like, nah, his 159 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: vision was way out there. He was like, na, but 160 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: people want to want to hear this. Let me back 161 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: up a little bit, Isaac. When you say run with this, 162 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: what was this you were talking about? What the concept 163 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: was was was around a movie. And when he heard 164 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: the story, he immediately I mean I can see his 165 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: mind turning, you know, he immediately he said to me, 166 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: he says, he kind of stopped me and he said, listen, 167 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: this is not this is a movie. Can it can 168 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: be later on, but this is this is a TV show. 169 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: This is something that people want to be inspired over 170 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: every single week. Uh. And I want to be able 171 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: to be comfortable in telling this story in ways where 172 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 1: where we can continue to enlighten and continue to inspire 173 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: and continue to prove i'd hope to people. And so 174 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: I said, you know, it's it's cool. Whatever you want 175 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: to do. I said, okay, and he and he made 176 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: it happen. And one of the things that that um 177 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: was very very significant to me and in dealing with 178 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: that decision that he made, is that the guy that 179 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: brought me to him, now, remember this is just an idea. 180 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: There's no contracts, there's no agreements, there's nothing. He goes 181 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: to the guy. He says, listen, I'm gonna pay you 182 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: for a year. Tomorrow. Come by my office tomorrow. I'll 183 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: have the cash you're waiting for you. That's how confident 184 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: he was and what he had and what he knew 185 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: what he could do with it. He started committing himself 186 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: before the financially, before there was any agreement. Well, no, 187 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: he didn't do it to me. He did it to 188 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: the guy that that brought me there. In other words, 189 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: he said, listen, I'm not leaving you out. You're gonna 190 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: be a part of this too. But what I'm gonna 191 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: do is I'm gonna pay you in advance for an 192 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: entire year for every episode that I believe that's going 193 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: that I'm I'll be able to get out the first year. 194 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay you for that now. And he didn't 195 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: even speak to He had spoken to nobody, no writers. 196 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: Sony was nowhere to be found at that time. Maybec 197 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: was nowhere to be found. He but he knew he 198 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: saw the road and and and he committed himself on 199 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: that road that he saw and it materialized. I mean, 200 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: he's he was a visionary. And when I saw that 201 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: because I see those things, you know, I the experience 202 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: that I have in trying to survive in prison, in 203 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: a maximum security prison, and it was the only one 204 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: for seven and a half years. It was the only 205 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: one in the state. So that meant that that that 206 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: every undesirable that was there was put in the same 207 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: place with everybody else. And in order to survive in 208 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: that environment, you have to learn how to size a 209 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: person up in zero point three seconds, I could size 210 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: you up even if you don't open your mouth. When 211 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: he did that, I knew because I was there, I 212 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: was talking to him, I was studying him to longer 213 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: he was studying me. I was studying him. I knew 214 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: I could roll the dice and turn my back. And 215 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: that's what I did. I rolled the dice, walked out 216 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: his office, and here I am. Are you happy? Emulated 217 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: so seven in prison? Yes, when I read your story, 218 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: it was started. You represented yourself? Yes? Why? Um? In 219 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: trial the first time, I represented myself from the outset, 220 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: but no legal training, no legal training, and all I 221 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: had was a high school diploma. Most of most of 222 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: the most of the grounds that I made, and most 223 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: of the law that I created, I created with the 224 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: high school diploma. While I was in prison, most of 225 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: the people that I that I got out, I got 226 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: out with a high school diploma. Um. And and and 227 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why I can I'm still 228 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: saying that today is because I haven't been licensed that long, 229 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: because because of the challenges that they that is, when 230 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: I actually got licensed, they investigated me. I passed the 231 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: bar actually in two thousand and eight. If if I 232 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: had been licensed after I passed the bar, I would 233 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: have probably quadrupled what I had accomplished when I was 234 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: in prison by now. And Uh. But what they did 235 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,719 Speaker 1: was they investigated me for another nine years, something that 236 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: should have taken a couple of weeks. Uh. They investigating 237 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: me for nine years before giving me my license, and 238 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: what I literally had to do. UM, after nine years 239 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: had passed, there was a Supreme Court justice, her name 240 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: was Virginia Long out of New Jersey. She was one 241 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: of the justices that that made a landmark ruling in 242 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: my civil case. UM that for the first time in 243 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: the history of that state. It made the state viable 244 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: for conduct of prosecutors. And before it was counties counties 245 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: that would have been live and there was there was 246 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: all these immunities that went with it, but my case 247 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: changed that, and she was one of the judges. She retired. 248 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: UM around two thousand, fifteen sixteen. She retired, And when 249 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: I found she retired, I wentn't looking for her, and 250 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: I located her in a law firm, very huge law 251 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: from international law from called Fox Rachaw. I called her 252 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: up and she remembered who I was, and she offered 253 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: me to come in for a consultation. I sat down 254 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: with her and when she found out what was going on, 255 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: she was really appalled about it. She was it was 256 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: it was just incredible to her as a Supreme Court 257 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: retired Supreme Court justice, because you know, the Supreme Court 258 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: controls all of that. They're the top dogs when it 259 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: comes down to not only the judicial system in the state, 260 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: but also who practices and who doesn't. If there's disciplinary actions, 261 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: they're the ones who suspends you or disciplinary disciplines you, 262 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: or or revoke your license. They control all of that. 263 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: So she basically let me know and no, no, no 264 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: small terms that uh she felt for my situation, she 265 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: uh was going to she couldn't actually represent me because 266 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: it was a conflict of interest and being that she 267 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: was on the bench during my civil case. But fortunately 268 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: her husband was also a partner at the firm, and 269 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: so she says, what I'm going to do is I'm 270 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: going to let my husband represent you. That's me. My 271 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: husband represents me and I represent him. Um, and being 272 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: that I was on the bench, they understand what that means. 273 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: So he came in and within six months I had 274 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: a license. Within after nine years when he came in 275 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: within six months, I had a license. And there's a 276 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: picture of me. You can see it on the internet. 277 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: It's all over the internet, and it's on my Instagram 278 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: of me being sworn in. There's a lady with with 279 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: blonde hair, light light whitish blonde hair, an older lady 280 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: swearing me in. That sir, that's a retired chief not 281 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: Chief Justice, but Justice of the Supreme Court of the Congratulations. 282 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: This problem is nationwide and and people are in their effects, 283 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: predominantly people of color. And so when you hear me 284 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: say something like that, does it get you mad, motivates 285 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: you for change? It doesn't. It doesn't get me mad 286 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: at all. Uh, it motivates, It motivates me for change 287 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: and and and to be honest with you. Um, And 288 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: this is a controversial statement that I'm gonna make, but 289 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: I really believe in it. I think as as minorities, 290 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: as as blacks, um, we've been we've been mad for 291 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: a long time. And I think I think we should 292 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: because being mad takes a lot of energy. And I 293 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: think if we refocused as a people, refocused that energy 294 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: on making changes, because we're a powerful people, well we really, 295 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: we really really are and a lot of times anger 296 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: has a has a way of distorting the way you 297 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: think and the decisions that you make. Um. But if 298 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: if we can if we can uh refocus a lot 299 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: of anger into action. Uh. You know, I think we 300 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: can move mountains as a people. Uh. And and you know, 301 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: even for me being in the situation that I was in, 302 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: there was room for for a lot of anger, for 303 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: for for being enraged, and and just to just to 304 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: give you an example of what I'm saying, there was 305 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: a there was a time early on when I had 306 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: a decided that I was going to represent myself. And 307 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: you know that was a you talk about when you 308 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: represent yourself in court, in court, yes, in my during 309 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: my my my trials. Um. You know, I had made 310 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: a decision early on that I was going to represent myself. 311 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: And I remember I was in my cell working on 312 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: a on an emotion, and um, I was I was 313 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: working almost all night, and I fell asleep in the 314 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: middle of writing the motion, and maybe an hour or 315 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: two I woke back up and I decided that I 316 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: was going to pick up where I left off, and 317 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: I began to read what I had written just to 318 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: kind of get myself acquainted with it again and started 319 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: where I left off. And and when I started reading, 320 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: I began to look around because it seemed to me 321 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: that there was something wrong. That was I was beginning 322 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: to look around to see where those papers were that 323 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: I was working on, where that emotion was that I 324 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: was working on, because I didn't even recognize what I 325 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: was reading it was it was so it was so 326 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: overwhelmed with emotion and anger that I didn't recognize myself. 327 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: I didn't recognize the person that had written it. And 328 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: that was That was a divine moment for me because 329 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,239 Speaker 1: it it took me somewhere mentally and emotionally that I 330 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: needed to go in the sense that that I was 331 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: never going to have the kind of focus that I 332 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: needed to have in order to get myself out of 333 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: this situation being burdened down with negative emotions um and 334 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: anger is a very negative emotion. Sometimes it's well placed, 335 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: but most of the time, anger is a very very 336 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: misplaced emotion. 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Until this happened, had 380 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: absolutely no interest in the law at all, um and 381 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: and and never picked up a law book before in 382 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 1: my life. And the first time I did it was 383 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: like I was doing it all my life. And in 384 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: that moment of clarity, Uh took a gift and turned 385 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: it into a snowball rolling down a hill. So that 386 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 1: seven and a half years later, by the time I 387 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: got back in court, I was so good that I 388 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: got a veteran police officer to confess on the stand. 389 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: And that that's how I actually how I how I 390 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: ultimately got out a veteran cop Uh seven and a 391 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: half years before that, he was a detective in the 392 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: prosecutors office. Seven and a half years later, when I 393 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: got him back on that stand, he was the chief 394 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: of the police academy. That's how much he had risen. 395 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: And and obviously he's a more sophisticated individual, and I 396 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: was able to get him to literally not only confess, 397 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: but to put himself in jail. I mean, you know, 398 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 1: when you confess the misconduct like that, perjured testimony, falsifying 399 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: police reports, you know you're you're going to jail. And 400 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: so you know, I was just that good seven and 401 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: a half years later, no law degree, high school diploma, 402 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: and I did something that lawyers practiced their entire life 403 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: to do. I did that as a person, as a 404 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: young man with with the high school diploma. Now and 405 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: when I look at the television series, the lead lead 406 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: actor has that anger in him, Yes, anger because it 407 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: should be there because he's not he's not he's in 408 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: the place he's not supposed to be of your wife 409 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: played by George Bryant. Um. Also, she's living in it 410 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: with your best friend, and then your daughter. They're now 411 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: living with your best friend, yes, in a romantic relationship, 412 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: and now you're in jail. What made that character development 413 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: like that? What was the whole rationale was setting it 414 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: up like that? Um? Well, you know the the the 415 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: the colleague we I just gave you about what I 416 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: had to go through to actually get a license. It's 417 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: a very long time. That's a couple of decades, and 418 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: so creatively, what was the decision was made to condense that? Um, 419 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: so that we can carry the public through some of 420 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: the triumphs and and and some of the agonies of 421 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: defeat that you go through in that process. Uh and 422 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: so and and what the family is going through with you. 423 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: And so Aaron Wallace is a representation of you know, 424 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: all those things wrapped up into one, even the emotions 425 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: that I was telling you about. One of the things 426 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: about me having to hide that emotion and having to 427 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: control it is that it does not give the public 428 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: what was really going on inside me. And so what 429 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: we decided to do is we decided to allow the 430 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: public to reflect on not only this anger and this 431 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: agony that Aaron was going through as a character, but 432 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 1: also how he has to manage to control it in 433 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: order to move ahead. That's that's that's key. And uh, 434 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: you know, you have the the the destruction of family 435 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: that occurs when you're when you're in prison, um, and 436 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: when you're in relationships, the destruction of the relationship, the 437 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: the total annihilation of the family nucleus. And so this, 438 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: this this conflict between this three way conflict between Aaron, 439 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: his best friend, and his wife, you know, is a reality. 440 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: You know, these things happen, uh in the world. I 441 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: went in uh in prison. I went into prison with 442 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: the family, with a wife and a daughter, you know, 443 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: and when I came out of prison, I didn't have 444 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: my family anymore, you know, and so and so those 445 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: are the realities of prison for many men. Uh in America. 446 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's very, very difficult to have a 447 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: life sentence with seven years on top of it and 448 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: people waiting for you to come home, you know. Uh, 449 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: the the the general consensus is that the power of 450 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: the government is is too large for you and it's 451 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: time to move on emotionally, physically. And then you trapped 452 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: with that idea that I'm in a s yes, wait 453 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: for me, wait for me, wait for me. So you call. 454 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: Did you ever give up with that? With that emotional 455 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: damage that you know it's being done to your family 456 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,479 Speaker 1: and the fact that you don't know if you can 457 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: actually get yourself out of jail. Um. No, I didn't 458 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: never give up, you know. You know. One of the 459 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: things about about dealing with these kind of challenges is 460 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: that is that it starts with your mind. My reality 461 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: was that I was going to die in prison, and 462 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: so that's right. But but but the reason why that 463 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: was my reality is because someone gave me that reality. 464 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: That reality was given to me, and so that wasn't 465 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: the reality that I created. That was the reality that 466 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: was given to me. And So what I did was 467 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: I lived in my reality, the one I created. That's 468 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: why I didn't. I wasn't going to be a slave 469 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: to the reality that they created for me. Which is important, 470 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, which is very very control can control my reality. 471 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: The reality got you living in is an uncontrolled environment. 472 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: You don't know what the food next year gona. You 473 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: don't know if your cell door is gonna open three 474 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning and someone comes in there, whether 475 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: a shame can take your life. You have no idea 476 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen to you from one day or the other. 477 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: And so one of the things that I did was 478 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: I created my own reality, and that reality was based 479 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: on on my own intellect, the gifts that I had 480 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: in the tenacity, uh, that I engaged in order to 481 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: protect myself and my family, mostly my family, because this 482 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: was not just an attack on me, It was an 483 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 1: attack on my family. Uh. And when you look at 484 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: the destruction going on around you that you are inside 485 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: watching you can't do anything about you, You realize that 486 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: this was more than just about you. This is this 487 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: is about how it decimates families and communities. Absolutely, and 488 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: you were right in the middle of that now now 489 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: you're an executive producer, you're given that title for this 490 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: ABC series we're talking about Isaza right, Jr. Your story 491 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: inspired this series. It's a fictional series about a fact, 492 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: a legal series and the family dynamics as on ABC 493 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: Arizona Tuesday nights. Um Cents will make a guest appearance 494 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: on March four. What is your role as an executive 495 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: producer of the series, Um, Well, executive producers. Uh, the 496 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: other boss. But I mean that's why that's what I said. 497 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: There there's a there's a number of us. I mean 498 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: there's there's Allison Greenspan, Doug Robertson, he's an executive ducer. 499 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: Fifty as an executive producer, you know, the big bosses, 500 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: Sony and ABC. Uh, And I have ABC with me 501 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: right now. They're they're not only my boss, but but 502 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: they're also my partner. Absolutely absolutely, And that's where it 503 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: should be. That's what that's what you want people. I 504 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: would tell people if you if you're promoting your traveling along, 505 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: that's not good. You've got people traveling with you. That's 506 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: the side that they care and they want to make 507 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: it happen. And this is this is a great series. 508 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: First of all, because I was emotionally charged by the 509 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: whole breakdown of that person. Who Here's an interesting thing 510 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: about the series four Life that we're talking about that's 511 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,719 Speaker 1: inspired by your incarceration and your triumph as a as 512 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: a as an attorney now and for lancipison and entrepreneur, 513 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: is that as as as he's in prison and then 514 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: he used to go out of prison, he gets to 515 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: put on the suit, but then he's dictated, Hey, it's 516 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: time to undress, time to go back to what you 517 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: really are supposed to be. And so that really is 518 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: a mental tub and so that really it's what inspires 519 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: me to say, Wow, he's dealing out our root for 520 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: him all. And so you this plays out. This is 521 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 1: the opening, um, I guess credits talk about I used 522 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: to be one of you guys, used to be just 523 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: like you. I was free, and then all of a sudden, 524 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: I got the police busted to my night club and 525 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 1: found drugs and then announced me to be a Keen 526 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: Paig announcer in life in prison, my family has been 527 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: yanked away from me. My wife she now is living 528 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: in a relationship with my best friend, my daughter. I 529 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: don't know what she's doing in her life, but guess 530 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: what I want to reconnect with her, and that is 531 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: the serious. So right there, it sets up a lane 532 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: of frustration and passion for the character. And so the 533 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,959 Speaker 1: serious is tied to the fact that every episode is 534 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: this he's developing as a man because he has to 535 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: redevelop as a man in prison. He's a man outside 536 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: of prison, but a man in prison is a different 537 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: person because you're dealing with different dynamics. And so each 538 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: episode is his journey for not only trying to seek 539 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: his freedom, but the freedom of other people. Because every 540 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: time he received success as a lawyer, that more people 541 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: are inspired by his efforts. And that's what pushed me 542 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: to say I want to see this show, and push 543 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: me to say I want to see you. And you 544 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 1: brought up. You brought up an incredible point because it's 545 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: the easiest thing in the world for a judge not 546 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: to even look at your papers when you put it in. 547 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: You don't know, they just rubber stamp it. Oh, that's 548 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: that's that nonsensitive stamp denied can move on. It takes 549 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: a certain amount of respect to allow them to force 550 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: them to do a double take and say you know 551 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: what I better read this. It takes a certain level 552 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: of respect and so and so what this journey does 553 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: with for life, it takes eron through that growth. Aaron Wallace. 554 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: Aaron Wallace, You'll see him moving through that growth where 555 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, in that first episode you saw him one 556 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: this win this case that gave you a glimpse of 557 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: a case with some complicated techniques, complicated technic and you know, 558 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: and the thing about that, the thing you could because 559 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: because all these things, you know, we talked about and 560 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: they asked me about it, and there was a question 561 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: to me about you know, you know, should we should 562 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: we do this? And you know, I was like, because 563 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm so my understanding about the system is is 564 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: so intimate. I was like, of course should you That 565 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: shouldn't be even question. Yes, forged that paper, you know, 566 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: because here's here's the thing about this country. In this country, 567 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: the way your system is supposed to be shut up, 568 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: set up is that it is better for a guilty 569 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: man to go free than an innocent person to spend 570 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: a day in prison for something he didn't do. We 571 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: would rather be guilty to go free than to send 572 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,479 Speaker 1: an innocent person in prison. That is the way our 573 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: system of justice is supposed to be set up. That 574 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: is all. That is one of the guiding principles of 575 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: our system of justice, so that we can ensure that 576 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: we will do whatever it takes to prevent a person 577 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: that's innocent from going to prison. And that's not how 578 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: it's working. It's working differently. And so when you see 579 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: Aaron making that desperate move forging this document, he's forging 580 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: this document. He is doing the wrong thing for the 581 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: right reasons. And the risk that he's taken, you'll see 582 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: down the line, it's going to come back. That risk 583 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: is going to come back at him right and his 584 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: family because he has a because basically a little other 585 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: side noticed that a lot of people are not happy 586 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: that he has a law degree. As he saw a 587 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: little cool leap loop loophole allowed him to get it. 588 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: And so every time he goes in front of a judge, 589 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: you know, they questioned his technique, they call him a novicet, 590 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: They tell him to do more homework. So he's constantly disrespected. 591 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: But because he is as the as the and and 592 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: the way he got the law degree, somebody vouched for 593 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: him at a higher position, and that now what's happening 594 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: On the d A side, they hate this, so their 595 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: goal is to be able to see stop him from 596 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: winning and to crush him. And so that carries so 597 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, you got your enemies, you got your people, 598 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: your Roofa, you got the five family, and you got 599 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: the prison. So it turns in the prison into like, uh, 600 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: good guys. The angry guys are the d A and 601 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: it's got named mask masking. They bad people, bad people, 602 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: bad people. And so so when you when you see 603 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 1: that and just letting people, why would I watch this series? 604 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: How would I relate to the series. You're gonna relate 605 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: because it as a family dynamic in it. You can 606 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: relate because you you feel some type of pain, but 607 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: because somebody is innocently incarcerated. And then you realize, also 608 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: this is regular people. This is regular regular people. And 609 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: even even when he's uh, even when he's um found out, 610 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: one of the gods provides him with information so they 611 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: know he's a good guy. And so that is when 612 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: I'm I love good storytelling, and so good storytelling helps 613 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: me out when they plug in it. Yes, the reason 614 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: this action is happening, why is it happen? Why is it. 615 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: Why is why are we doing this? Because I hate 616 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: it when you just jump over the jump over three 617 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: to get the five. You know, these dark tunnels, whether 618 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: it's the information, is the important information to give continuity 619 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: is missing. But this, this story, this is continuity there 620 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: and you can follow it, uh, and you can understand, 621 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, why these things are happening and the things 622 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: that you don't really understand it's hidden from you in 623 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: the beginning. It's revealed to you, you know, revealed to 624 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: you later on. But but I think they did an 625 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: incredible job. Uh. Nicholas Peanuck? Uh is the am I 626 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: pronouncing that right? Pinuck? I'm sorry. I hope he's not 627 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: listening right now. But Nicholas, you know, he's an incredible actor. Um. 628 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: He just he is so profound in his acting. And 629 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: you've seen the episode. So I'm speaking to the choir 630 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: right now. That it has it has affected me that 631 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: it is. It has been therapeutic for me watching him 632 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: because it's like it's like watching myself, and the things 633 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: that he shows outwardly are the things that I know 634 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: I was feeling inside. You know. You know. The interesting 635 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: thing about it, Nicholas plays the character Aaron Wallace, which 636 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: is the lead character in this series for Life, which 637 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: is on ABC Ers on Tuesday night. The thing about 638 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: it is that you know, he can't say character with 639 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: anger so close to the edge. Man, I feel nervous 640 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: when he with the warden. I feel nervous for him. 641 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: Shut up, dude, would you should be quiet? Because he's 642 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: always internally mad. Yeah, And that's what I love about 643 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: the character. And it makes me nervous. It makes me 644 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: nervous in a good way. You know what I'm saying 645 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: from a from a viewer stand for him and going, hey, dude, 646 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: shut up, you're about to blow it. Would you just 647 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: calmed down? Because its character just goes so close to 648 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: the edge all the time. And that's a that's beautiful man. 649 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: It is. And I had nobody to tell me that. 650 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: I had to learn that um from from trial and 651 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: error and so and so. What's beautiful about it it's 652 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: because that reality not only taps into his humanity, but 653 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: but it also just like what you were doing, you 654 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: were trying to guide him from the TV sets. Shut up, 655 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: shut up. You're pushing too far when they let him in. 656 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: You know, because I've seen his anger when he led 657 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,959 Speaker 1: him in the room with the warden by herself. Please 658 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: don't braw this woman start strangling. Okay, cool? Well, guess 659 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: what they gave me the signal. I hopefully you enjoyed 660 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: this interview. I've been enjoying. We went kind of along, 661 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep talking to you. 662 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: I appreciate. The beautiful thing about this show is that 663 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: Tuesday night, my man fifty cents to be making a 664 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: guest the parents his character on the show. 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