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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Emily Abadi. Here.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to episode two hundred and seventy one

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Speaker 3: of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast where I connect with

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Speaker 3: everyone from your favorite athletes to top experts and industry

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Speaker 3: CEOs about their highest highs, toughest moments, and.

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Speaker 3: We all go through hurdles in life, and my goal

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Speaker 3: through these discussions is to empower you to better navigate

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Speaker 3: this woman leaves it all on the track. For today's episode,

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Speaker 3: how she really feels about being a pro runner, living

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Speaker 3: Make sure, if you are not doing so already, you're

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Speaker 3: following along with Hurdle over on social media. It is

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Speaker 3: It's also New York City Marathon week. If you're listening

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Speaker 1: And so it's pretty crazy, like several years down the

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Speaker 1: line that I regularly travel over to Europe and I

441
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Speaker 1: get to go lots of different places for running. So

442
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Speaker 1: it's pretty much a dream job.

443
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Speaker 2: A dream job.

444
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Speaker 3: But at the same time, there is you know, a

445
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Speaker 3: lot of let's call it instability that goes hand in

446
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Speaker 3: hand with being a little bit all over the place.

447
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Speaker 2: How does that make you feel?

448
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely. You know, when you're traveling for months

449
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: out of the year, it's like, oh, I just want

450
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Speaker 1: to go home and see my boyfriend and my dog,

451
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Speaker 1: and so you do miss home a little bit, but

452
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Speaker 1: being able to like find a routine that works for

453
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Speaker 1: you like this this year, I knew I was going

454
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Speaker 1: to be in Europe for an extended amount of time

455
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Speaker 1: over the summer with before Worlds and Afterworlds. So my

456
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Speaker 1: boyfriend came, like he I raced in London and then

457
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Speaker 1: I was going to train in Saint Maritz and so

458
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Speaker 1: he came to stay with me for like ten days

459
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Speaker 1: in Saint Maritz. So kind of like being able to

460
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Speaker 1: figure out a way to make things seem like the

461
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Speaker 1: most homey and like it's important to be happy while

462
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Speaker 1: you're training, Like that's how you race well is being happy.

463
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Speaker 1: So being able to find the ways that make you

464
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Speaker 1: happy and accepting the part of the job where you

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Speaker 1: have to travel a lot, but also being like, all right,

466
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Speaker 1: what can I do to come to this race feeling

467
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Speaker 1: like my cup is full?

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Speaker 3: Aside from being able to integrate obviously your partner sometimes

469
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Speaker 3: into the routine, what else would you say makes you

470
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Speaker 3: happy when you have this instability?

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Speaker 1: Definitely the team, Like we travel as a team a lot.

472
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Speaker 1: If I were an individual pro, I think it definitely

473
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Speaker 1: would not go as well for me, just because I

474
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Speaker 1: come from like a background of really enjoying team sports

475
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Speaker 1: and having like that camaraderie around me, so you know,

476
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Speaker 1: we go to training camps together and we hang out together.

477
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Speaker 1: Start it would be definitely tiring if you're starting every

478
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Speaker 1: run two runs a day, not training with anyone, and

479
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Speaker 1: so it really just holds you aconnable of coming to

480
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Speaker 1: every training session feeling like you want to work hard

481
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Speaker 1: and you want to enjoy your company. So definitely the

482
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Speaker 1: team and also just like having familiar places to train at,

483
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Speaker 1: because like at first when we started going to Saint Maritz,

484
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Speaker 1: I would say we either go to Saint Maritz or

485
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Speaker 1: Luvin usually as training camps for your apprasis and having

486
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Speaker 1: that familiarity of knowing where to get groceries and where

487
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Speaker 1: to find bananas in the grocery stores like something that's nice,

488
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Speaker 1: I guess. So yeah, I'd say finding both like familiarity

489
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Speaker 1: in your regular routine and then just having people around you.

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Speaker 3: Wow, you know you just said, like I have some

491
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Speaker 3: familiarity with Saint Maritz and that's like a normal sentence,

492
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Speaker 3: kind of crazy. It's awesome though, It's awesome, and it's

493
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Speaker 3: something to be proud of, Like you've worked very hard

494
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Speaker 3: to be in this spot and be on this team

495
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 3: and get to this place where you have that familiarity.

496
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Speaker 3: So it's like, as much as we're addressing the fact

497
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Speaker 3: that there is instability there is just so much beauty

498
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Speaker 3: and excitement that comes hand in hand with what you're

499
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Speaker 3: getting to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and you know, it always progresses, and it's

501
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Speaker 1: kind of crazy where I've come since high school. But yeah,

502
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: it's definitely like I have to take a step back

503
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Speaker 1: sometimes and be like, all right, I earned this, Like

504
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Speaker 1: I have worked really hard, and I'm going to keep

505
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Speaker 1: working really hard because it can go away, but I'm

506
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Speaker 1: going to work hard to make sure that I do

507
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Speaker 1: what I want to do.

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Speaker 3: I always get messages about this routine that you're talking

538
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Speaker 3: about about how I managed to stay motivated even when

539
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 3: I'm in different time zones and dealing with jet lag

540
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Speaker 3: and the food is all over the place. What other

541
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Speaker 3: things do you do to make sure that you're on

542
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 3: top of the routine that you know makes you feel

543
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Speaker 3: so good.

544
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely try to get onto whatever time zone

545
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm on, especially if the race is like a week out,

546
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Speaker 1: like usually if we're going to race flying over to

547
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Speaker 1: Europe and I race in two days, I just get

548
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: as much sleep as possible, like don't care about what

549
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: I wake up at twelve and I just go for

550
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Speaker 1: my run. But if the race, if I'm like getting

551
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Speaker 1: onto the Europe schedule, I try to sleep on the

552
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: plane then don't go to sleep at all the day

553
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: that I get into Europe so that I can try

554
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Speaker 1: and sleep at a normal Europe nighttime. And just like

555
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: eating familiar foods, like I eat oatmeal most days for breakfast,

556
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Speaker 1: so I usually get oatmeal and have my coffee, and

557
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, being able to adapt while also trying to

558
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: do things that are familiar to you, Like it's important

559
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: to experience other cultures and see like what they do

560
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: and eat their foods, but at the same time being

561
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Speaker 1: able to be like, all right, maybe I shouldn't experiment

562
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: with something the day before race, and kind of knowing

563
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: that there's a time and place for everything, because you

564
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Speaker 1: have to be able to hold yourself accountable for like

565
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: I need to take a step back and lay down

566
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Speaker 1: and recover, and also wanting to explore a city, so

567
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: being able to kind of like compartmentalize and pick out

568
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: times that are best to do things that you want

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Speaker 1: to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you said the words sleep and recover. Would

571
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Speaker 3: you say that your appreciation for recovery has become greater

572
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Speaker 3: as you are progressing in the sport or have you

573
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Speaker 3: always had an understanding of of what your body needs

574
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Speaker 3: to perform at its best.

575
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Speaker 1: I definitely have improved my ability to take a step

576
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Speaker 1: back and recover as I've progressed through this sport, Like

577
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Speaker 1: I don't know when I look back of when I

578
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Speaker 1: first started with the sport, Like in high school, I

579
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Speaker 1: you know, probably definitely did not get enough sleep. Same

580
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Speaker 1: thing like early in college, I did not get enough sleep,

581
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Speaker 1: and that really like wears down on you. You can't get

582
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Speaker 1: as much high quality training in if you're not sleeping enough,

583
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Speaker 1: like I always try to get at least nine hours

584
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Speaker 1: of sleep, and if you're just if you're not even

585
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Speaker 1: a highly trained athlete, you need sleep, Like that's what

586
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: you need to survive and recover and feel good every

587
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: single day, So yeah, definitely like that, and then also

588
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Speaker 1: being able to take my naps like I pretty much

589
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Speaker 1: when I'm in full training, I often am running twice

590
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Speaker 1: a day, and especially if I'm running twice a day,

591
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Speaker 1: I try to take some sort of nap in between.

592
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Speaker 1: It's not necessarily like falling asleep, but it's just like

593
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: laying in bed and being able to like shut my

594
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Speaker 1: brain off a little bit, because if you're just going, going, going,

595
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: you're not going to recover. So yeah, I've definitely I've

596
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: definitely learned a lot over the years, and that kind

597
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: of comes from being like, all right, I got injured,

598
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Speaker 1: so I need to like assess what I need to

599
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Speaker 1: do to be better, and part of that is recovering,

600
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Speaker 1: part of that is fueling, and just kind of being

601
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Speaker 1: able to, like I don't know, figure out the whole circle.

602
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Speaker 3: And I think it's challenging as well being a young

603
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Speaker 3: woman in sport because there are so many people that

604
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Speaker 3: have opinions on how you should look, or what you

605
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 3: should be doing, or how you should be recovering, and

606
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Speaker 3: so do you feel like you ever have to kind

607
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Speaker 3: of put your own blinders on and not deal with

608
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Speaker 3: any of that external feedback, yeah.

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Speaker 1: A little bit. And I think I've learned more to

610
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Speaker 1: put the blinders on the farther I've gotten in sport.

611
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Speaker 1: So I feel like it's definitely like high school and

612
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: college young women are more vulnerable to like the external

613
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Speaker 1: forces of oh, this is what you should look like,

614
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Speaker 1: this is what you should be eating, whatever your peers

615
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: are doing. And for me, it's just like I just

616
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: I just know that my body feels best when I'm

617
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Speaker 1: fueling it. My body feels best when I'm taking a

618
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Speaker 1: nap and taking the time to you know, cool it

619
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Speaker 1: down a little bit. Knowing that I need to be strong,

620
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: I need to be lifting weights in order to continue

621
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Speaker 1: to be better, like if I hadn't, Like I'm lucky

622
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Speaker 1: that I started lifting weights in high school because of basketball,

623
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Speaker 1: and so that's just been like a part of my

624
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Speaker 1: life and I think it's really helped me to be

625
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: able to take it to the next level during sport,

626
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: just because you have to be able to stay healthy,

627
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Speaker 1: like you're going to get injured, but consistently healthy for

628
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Speaker 1: like a number of years. Because if I hadn't done that,

629
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Speaker 1: then I want to be here. So definitely just like

630
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Speaker 1: a learning process.

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Speaker 3: Talk to me about injury and what your history with

632
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: the injury has been, Like, how have those hurdles helped

633
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: you gain a better understanding of the athlete that you

634
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Speaker 3: are now.

635
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely like anytime you get injured, maybe it's

636
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: a little injury, a big injury, you learn more about

637
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: how what you need to do in order to not

638
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 1: see that again. And like I'd say, my first major

639
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: injury was a long time ago, but it was a

640
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: big deal at the time. Was I tore my acl

641
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Speaker 1: and meniscus my senior year of high school. And that

642
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: was like the first time that I ever had like

643
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: a long term comeback to running, and I learned a

644
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: lot of like rehab drills that I still do to

645
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: this day, like doing like mini band warm up exercises

646
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: before you run, Like that was the first time I

647
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Speaker 1: had ever done that, and it was like a lifelong

648
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: lesson for me. So that's kind of an important thing,

649
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: and I think it made me realize, like, oh, you know,

650
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Speaker 1: I need to make sure to do the strengthening to

651
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Speaker 1: not get reinjured. And then like in college, I had

652
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: some injuries that took me out of sport just because

653
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: of like they were all connective tissue injuries. Like I

654
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: had a bad achilles one year, I had a bad

655
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: plan to fascia one year, and so kind of just

656
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: like you know, being able to look at things and

657
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Speaker 1: be like, all right, part of this is like what

658
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Speaker 1: I was doing. A part of it is that I

659
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: need to take a step back and realize, like I'm

660
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: trying to be a student athlete. I'm trying to excel

661
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: in academics and in sports, and it's really hard. So

662
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, I definitely didn't take for granted the fact

663
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: that like it was a great opportunity, but you also

664
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: need to like learn a lot from it. So yeah,

665
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: being able to like handle things on my plate, and

666
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: like as I continued in college, I think I got

667
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: a lot better by realizing, like I can't give one

668
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: hundred percent and every single thing that I do, like

669
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: I only have so much energy. And so part of

670
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: that was being like, all right, I need to be

671
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: like do I need to get like one hundred and

672
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: two percent of this class? No, I do not need

673
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: to like try to try to be a four point zero.

674
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: I can be a three point eight. And obviously people

675
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: have different priorities and that's okay, But Yeah, once mine

676
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: became running, I think I definitely like learned more about

677
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: what I needed to do to get to that top level.

678
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when you have an understanding of what your

679
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: priorities are, then you are less slightly likely to guilt

680
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: or shame yourself or should yourself about the things that

681
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: you realize just aren't at the top of that list anymore.

682
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: Right, You make time for the things that you want

683
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: to do and the people that you want to be with.

684
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: And so I think that's part of like just knowing like, hey,

685
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go to that, so I'm not

686
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: even going to think twice about it. I can control

687
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: whatever I can control.

688
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

689
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: On that note, the people that you want to be with,

690
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: I'm sure that can be a bit challenging as we

691
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: have been this through line talking about the travel and

692
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: being quote unquote a little bit all over the place.

693
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: How does that make you feel when you are on

694
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: the move.

695
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of hard to old friends' weddings come up,

696
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: and like my family has that. I always miss my

697
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: family's squashed drootle every year.

698
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: Elaborate what is it?

699
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: So? My family has this like annual event, annual event

700
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: called noodle and strudle, and there's an old family recipe

701
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: of squashed stroudle. It's like a I think, like a

702
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: German recipe, and my grandma always makes it, and then

703
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: my and my aunt always makes homemade noodles for chicken

704
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: noodle soup. So it's it's just like a nice ball gathering.

705
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: But unfortunately I'm never in the Midwest at that time,

706
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: so I like in since college and moving out to Colorado,

707
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: I often will like make myself a squash stroudle from

708
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: my grandma's recipe at home and they'll like send pictures.

709
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, part of that is just like taking the

710
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: time to like try to be involved from afar because

711
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to be everywhere at once.

712
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

713
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: I love hearing though how you get to participate in

714
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: this tradition in your own way, and also what you're

715
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: really doing is perfecting this to be at a young

716
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: age so that you can continue to get tips as

717
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 3: you get older.

718
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: True, yeah, I'll be I definitely have like experimented with

719
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: different folding ways and like I put a whole wheat

720
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: flower in a one time and it turned out horribly,

721
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: So I'm you know.

722
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 2: I was gonna say there's no way that was the move.

723
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

724
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, though, to go back to the injury stuff, you

725
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 3: really did get to a place where you understand the

726
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: importance of the small steps that help and contribute up

727
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: to the bigger picture. I think a lot of people,

728
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 3: you know, when we're injured, we do focus on these things.

729
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: You said the word mini band, and I had like

730
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: a shiver down my spine because I feel like I

731
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: think about a mini band, and I think about all

732
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 3: the rehab that I've been doing over the past year,

733
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 3: myself navigating planter fasciitis. Where do you find the diligence

734
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: to stick with it when you aren't dealing, you know,

735
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 3: in the heat, in the prime of an injury cycle.

736
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: I think part of it is that I feel like

737
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm most motivated to do all of the little things

738
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: when I have like something to look forward to. So

739
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: like if I I think it was kind of difficult

740
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: for me after like the ten K this year, I

741
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: went for three months without racing, and I feel like

742
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: it took me a little bit once I started racing,

743
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: which for me, three months was a long time, Like

744
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: that was the longest I've ever gone without racing, So

745
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: for me, it was kind of difficult, like to get

746
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: back into it and kind of like didn't necessarily get

747
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: my butt kicked because I still ran very well in Paris,

748
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: which was my first race back, but I wasn't where

749
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to be and where I knew I should be.

750
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: So having like kind of checkpoints, I would say, is

751
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: like important. So like having a race or having like

752
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: this goal that you're working towards, I think is what

753
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: holds me kind of the best of being like there's

754
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: a point to what I'm doing, and you know, every

755
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: now and then, you just need that that little thing

756
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: to be like, all right, I gotta start doing this,

757
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: I gotta be more on top of this. I mean,

758
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: I think probably having goals, even if you're not racing

759
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: or whatever, it's probably important.

760
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: What would you say that success looks like to you?

761
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: I would say finishing this sport and feeling like I

762
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: gave it everything I had, Like you know, I don't

763
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: think there's necessarily like a set goal of like I

764
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: need to win this many races, I need to set

765
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: this many records, like whatever those like points are are

766
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: gonna happen if I feel like I really put myself

767
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: into the sport, and I really came out of it

768
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, that was a good time, Like I

769
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: did what I could, and you know, I have these

770
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: things to say for it. So I wouldn't say, like

771
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: I have my goals, like I would like to win

772
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: a medal on the world stage, I would like to

773
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: you break thirty minutes in the ten k. But those

774
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: things are only going to come if I like really

775
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: put myself into sport and like learn from my teammates

776
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: and really like appreciate what they're doing because those people

777
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: are going to push me forward.

778
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: That's a really beautiful perspective, understanding that there is so

779
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: much benefit from team when it comes to our own

780
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 3: individual successes. And that can be true within sport, of course,

781
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: but also beyond sport. How often do we isolate ourselves

782
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: going after a big goal because we feel like it

783
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: needs to be head down focus, like it's all on me,

784
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 3: and we lose sight of the fact that we each

785
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: have to an extent a team around us that wants

786
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 3: to support us because they care about.

787
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: Us for sure. And I mean, people are going to

788
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: remember you for the teammate that you were, and you know,

789
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: whatever you did to help them, it's not necessarily like,

790
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: oh yeah, there was Alicia, like over there, she's she's

791
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: just running. But yeah, so I think it's definitely like

792
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 1: the connections that you make and what you can do

793
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: for others and what they can do for you, that

794
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: really like makes it community.

795
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: You do say, like, for as long as I am

796
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 3: in this sport, do you have any concept or thought

797
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: about what it is that you will do one day

798
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: when you do maybe just in the racing capacity hang

799
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 3: up your spikes.

800
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that's kind of continuously evolving.

801
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: Like I went to school. I got a degree in

802
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: dietetics with a business management minors certificate, and I had

803
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: originally planned on being a registered dietitian and that is

804
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: kind of changed. Like I don't necessarily think that I'll

805
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: be in the clinical setting like I thought about going

806
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: to PA school, but I kind of, you know, I'm

807
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: kind of keeping my options open right now seeing what happens,

808
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: just because you know, you're always learning more, you're always

809
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: meeting new people, and I'm seeing, like, you know, what

810
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: can be done for athletes in the sport and what

811
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: can be done on the athlete connection with brand and

812
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean that's kind of a to be determined,

813
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm always learning and it's always great

814
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: to you know, meet new people and kind of see

815
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: where your impact can be.

816
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: And speaking of impact, so many people looking up to

817
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 3: you as you continue to make such a big name

818
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: for yourself within this sport. How does it feel for

819
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: you when you kind of take a step back and

820
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 3: realize that there are eyes on you, especially young women's

821
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 3: eyes on you.

822
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's really cool because that's like a

823
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: goal of mine is to continue to push forward, like

824
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: distance running among women in the US, because I think

825
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: we're kind of like have been on the ketchup, especially

826
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: compared to men, compared to some places in the world.

827
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: So that's like a big goal of mine is to

828
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: just inspire like you know, high school, college young women,

829
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, even people going to run a marathon. I

830
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: hope they see whatever I do and like be like

831
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, time to go train. But and part

832
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: of that is just it brings the community together. Like

833
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: the Amory Cross Country just had the Amory Invite in

834
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: town yesterday and I unfortunately just missed it. I was

835
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: still traveling, but just to see like being able to

836
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: meet with the team when I come back here and

837
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: to see how far it's come since I was in

838
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: high school. It was really sweet and just you know,

839
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: hopefully I get messages from people, I'm like, oh, that's

840
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: really cool that because I never really thought of me

841
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: being a role model or people looking at what I do,

842
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: but it's obviously very important, and you know, part of

843
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: that is being able to show that I'm more than

844
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: running but also like really committed to what I do.

845
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 3: Wow, how would you say it feels when you get

846
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: those messages?

847
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible that people like would think to reach

848
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: out and say, hey, you inspired me to do this.

849
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: But you know, it's really I would say, rewarding to

850
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: be like, wow that I'm really glad that whatever I

851
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: just did inspired you. So yeah, I mean, it's it's

852
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: pretty sweet.

853
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: Who was that person for you? Was there a certain

854
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 3: individual or person that you look to with that same

855
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: lens when you were coming up at the beginning of sport?

856
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: See as far as running goes, I was never really

857
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: a running nerd.

858
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: Like, so you were a women's basketball nerd?

859
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of, I mean, but unfortunately women's basketball is

860
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: not very well covered. It's continuing to be better covered,

861
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: but I grew up watching men on the TV. Right,

862
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: I would say I grew up especially as far as

863
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: women's sports go. Watching Olympic women's gymnastics was really great

864
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: for me, just like I feel like I followed Shan

865
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: Johnson and Gabby Douglas more than like any other women's sport.

866
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I would say, like, I think what's

867
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: really cool now is that there are more present women's

868
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: sports stars to follow, because hopefully younger women are seeing

869
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: other women in sport and that's really cool. But I

870
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: would say I mostly I grew up like watching football

871
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: or like watching the NBA.

872
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 3: It's really cool to see the evolution of that, and

873
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: it's really exciting to understand now that like you have

874
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: this seat at the table and know that you get

875
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 3: to decide what you want to do with it, and

876
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Speaker 3: that you are speaking about how you are going back

877
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: to you know, your high school and talking to these

878
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: girls and as much as it is special for them,

879
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: like as it's clearly also really special for you.

880
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

881
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 3: We talked about how someone goes to your Instagram page

882
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: and they see so many amazing skills of you crushing

883
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: the run when you look at her, what is it

884
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 3: that you see looking back at you.

885
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: I'd say, I just see you know, I see myself

886
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: and I part of that is like a really determined person.

887
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: And part of that is like what I decide to

888
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: do is running, but I think I've or to determined

889
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: to do something else. I mean, not necessarily that I

890
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,959
Speaker 1: can do anything, but I could do whatever I seem

891
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 1: to set my mind to. I think, so like part

892
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: of that is just like the inner determination to like

893
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: excel at what I'm doing. So yeah, I would say that,

894
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: like I'm just you know, comfortable doing what I found

895
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: for myself in my quarner of the world, and yeah,

896
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm happy with it.

897
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: How would you say that running has shaped that I

898
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 3: can do whatever I set my mind to perspective?

899
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: Definitely, just like the feedback for ward, I would say

900
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: of like if I put the work in, like it's

901
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: going to pay off, and that kind of takes place

902
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: over like so many years. It's like every time I

903
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: come to a new level of running, there's so many

904
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: people who are better than me, and it takes multiple

905
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: years of work in order to get to the place

906
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: of being competitive with the people I want to be

907
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: competitive with. Then I've seen that on the high school,

908
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: the college, the US and the world level. I'm still

909
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: working on it, so yeah, definitely just like being able

910
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: to know that it can take years in what you

911
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: choose to do to get better at it, but you

912
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: will if you just keep working at it.

913
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: I love that sentiment.

914
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 3: I think that it can feel frustrating or daunting, especially

915
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 3: when you're trying something new or you know, putting yourself

916
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 3: into a different event, right, But to have that diligence

917
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 3: and motivation to persist regardless, it's really admirable and it

918
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: speaks a lot to your tenacity.

919
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, I mean I yeah, I kind of

920
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: just try to take one. My parents always like tell

921
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: me to take one thing at a time, and I

922
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: feel like I was probably just a lot to deal

923
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: with as a kid and trying to go have different

924
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: hobbies and stuff like that, and they're like one thing

925
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: at a time. So I kind of tell myself that

926
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: in training and be like, all right, this is what

927
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm doing today, what I'm doing tomorrow, and we're going

928
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: to work at it.

929
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, one thing at a time. I like that approach,

930
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 3: I really do. What else would you say, aside from

931
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 3: Paris excites you right now?

932
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm just excited to Like, fall training is kind of

933
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: my favorite, Like I just love getting it and the miles,

934
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: the base, being able to go to like different trails

935
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 1: to run on and get a workout in at Davidson

936
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: Mason not just like because the track is exciting, but

937
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: also it's nice to get away from it for a

938
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: little bit. And also, you know, Helen and o'biri joined

939
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: our team last year, went to win the Boston Marathon,

940
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: and she's racing New York this year, and she's just

941
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: like a really exciting person to learn from. She's I

942
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 1: mean absolutely insane, Like I her, the amount of really

943
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: fast things she does in one day of training is crazy,

944
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: and it's even more crazy that she does it every

945
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: single day, week after week. So I've been like definitely

946
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: learning a lot from her, and I'm hoping to be

947
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: able to like do more workouts. I did a lot

948
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: of workouts with her before Boston this spring, and our

949
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: schedules only sometimes line up, but I'm really excited to

950
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: learn more from her and hopefully be able to train

951
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: with her a little bit more this year. And yeah,

952
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's just fun to see what I

953
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: everyone else is doing. And put myself in it.

954
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: I love that energy that came into the conversation when

955
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 3: you started talking about how fun it is to train

956
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: with someone that you admire so much. Do you ever

957
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 3: find yourself falling into the comparison trap, either with people

958
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: on your team or just other women in the field.

959
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. I think it's like you always

960
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: feel like you should be training or racing as well

961
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: as your competition, but sometimes you know your your path

962
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: obviously is not linear, and you're you have certain things

963
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: going on in your life or certain injuries that you

964
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: have to take a step back and just look at

965
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: where you're at. And so part of it is like

966
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: it's important to be competitive because that's why elite athletes

967
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: are who they are, but also being like a healthy

968
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: amount where I want to see my teammates succeed and

969
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: I want to help them get better, and that means

970
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: we are competitive, but at the same time, it's not

971
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: like a malicious competitive So yeah, I mean, it's it's

972
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: a good thing to be competitive, It's just it shouldn't

973
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: be the ENDLBL for sure.

974
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 3: And of course we've mentioned a slew of times now

975
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 3: oac On Athletics Club I've you remiss if we didn't

976
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: talk about this before I Let You Go Today. Go

977
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 3: to training sneakers. I'm a cloud Monster Girlli, but I'm

978
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: not running anywhere near as fast as you, So what

979
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 3: are your go to?

980
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: So actually I love the cloud Monsters, I'd say I

981
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: do like a lot of my like thick thick of

982
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: the training and then but I also love the cloud

983
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: Stratus for my easy runs as well. And then every

984
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: workout are the echo Booms, which the cloud Echo Boom

985
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: three is available for the market now like it used

986
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: to be. We ran in them, but they weren't on

987
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: the market, but they are on the market now and

988
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: they're also.

989
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 3: Now you can all feel like Alicia when you're doing

990
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 3: your workouts exactly.

991
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: Doesn't always feel good, but it'll work.

992
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 2: We love it well.

993
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 3: I'm so glad that we were able to and sometime

994
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: amidst the crazy travel and the family time that you're

995
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 3: finally getting some of to catch up for the show

996
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 3: before I Let You Go Today, I close out every

997
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: episode by asking my guests to talk to me about

998
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: the advice that they'd offer their younger self at the

999
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: beginning of their journey or during a certain hurdle moment

1000
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 3: for you. We talked a little bit about that injury

1001
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 3: cycle before and how it definitely set you back time

1002
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 3: and time again early on in your career. Knowing what

1003
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 3: you know now, what advice would you offer to your

1004
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 3: younger self?

1005
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: I would say the best advice would be to take

1006
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: a step back once in a while and look at

1007
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: where you're at and be able to think about what

1008
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: you need, because it's not always what everyone else needs.

1009
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: Think about what it is that you need, and being

1010
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: able to focus on keeping yourself healthy and recovered and

1011
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: well slept, if that's a word, and just like being

1012
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: able to prioritize like your own needs is is honestly

1013
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: one of the biggest lessons I've learned.

1014
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 2: I love it.

1015
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 3: Alicia Munson, how do the hurdlers follow along with you

1016
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: keep up with you if they don't yet already?

1017
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: Give us your details?

1018
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: So my Instagram is months and Alicia and I'm mainly

1019
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: on that. And then also our team photographer slash videographer

1020
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: I guess is Colin Wong and he's often posting little

1021
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: snippets of us, So if you want to see, like

1022
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: what our long run looks like on a day you'll

1023
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: be seeing a lot of us this fall with our

1024
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Speaker 1: fall training. Once the team's all back together.

1025
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Speaker 3: I'm over at Emily Body and at Hurdle Podcast. Another

1026
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Speaker 3: hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.