00:00:08 Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests, your own presences presents enough. 00:00:31 Speaker 2: I already had too much stuff, So how did you dare to surbey me? 00:00:49 Speaker 3: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Wineger. We are in the backyard. It's about eighty five degrees. I would say it's very warm. I'm in pants. I could have worn shorts. I could be in shorts right now. Why am I not? I don't know what that means for the rest of my day. My day could go in any direction. I feel comfortable. I'm in a T shirt, though I'm warming up immediately. I've got my water. I'm spiraling about the temperature already. What does that mean for half an hour from now? No one can say for sure. We should get into the podcast. I just think today's guest is terrific. It's Gillian Jacob's Gillian. Welcome to, I said, no gifts. 00:01:30 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. 00:01:32 Speaker 3: I'm so happy to have you here. And as you said before the podcast, your mom's in town, so you're taking some time away from mom. 00:01:39 Speaker 4: Yes, I had to break away from my mother to be here with you. 00:01:43 Speaker 3: But so please, how long's your mom in town for? 00:01:46 Speaker 4: She's in town forever. She's just moved to Los Angeles. You're a kidding, but she's not living with me. But she's just moved to Los Angeles. 00:01:53 Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's an exciting big development life. 00:01:56 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 00:01:57 Speaker 3: How often was she visiting prior to moving here pre pandemic? 00:02:02 Speaker 4: Semi regularly. She's also come and visited me on many sets, oh sure, on many locations. And she has incredible stamina. She can handle you know, a twelve hour shooting day, Oh my god, she'll stay there till rap, you know, a friturday Friday, late shooting into early Saturday morning. Wow camp prior away, she's kind of like my spy at video Village. There have been times where at the end of the day, she's like your producer. Got into a fight with the director today. It was getting heated. 00:02:38 Speaker 3: Amazing. 00:02:39 Speaker 4: She pitched. She pitched an alt on love once, which I was kind of horrified by what they seemed to take in good humor. 00:02:46 Speaker 3: Did it end up getting used in any way? 00:02:48 Speaker 4: I don't think so. It was like a big party scene, and they were clearly, you know, at the monitor, trying to come up with alts for one of my lines, and my mom just piped up she should call him a Jengus, And I was like, what. 00:03:01 Speaker 3: She should be on every set? 00:03:03 Speaker 4: She'd like to be. 00:03:04 Speaker 3: You get this woman in a writer's room. 00:03:07 Speaker 4: Some of her suggestions don't make a lot of sense, but that really works sometimes. 00:03:13 Speaker 3: Is janus a word or is this something she came up with? Is it meant to as an insult? Do you think? 00:03:23 Speaker 4: I think so? Doesn't it sound much? 00:03:24 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:03:25 Speaker 3: I feel like we could get that into the lexicon. Yeahs feels like there she goes. She's got She has to have her imprint on culture in some way. 00:03:34 Speaker 4: She loved to. 00:03:36 Speaker 3: Is she moving into your neighborhood? 00:03:38 Speaker 4: No, she is not. I think we're going to have proximity, but a healthy distance. 00:03:42 Speaker 3: Oh this is wonderful. 00:03:44 Speaker 4: This going to the therapy portion of the podcast. 00:03:46 Speaker 3: I feel like, ten years from now, we're all going to learn there's a much darker relationship. She was controlling it, your every move. This woman wouldn't leave you alone. 00:03:54 Speaker 4: I so I grew up in Pittsburgh and all kids who want to be actors in Pittsburgh dream of going to Carnegie Mellon, which is there. It has a really great theater program. My mother, when I was about twelve, was thinking ahead and thought, I'll get a job there because you need to work there for six years to get the big tuition discount. So in seventh grade, when I was in seventh grade, my mother got a job at Carnegie Mellon. I you know, would go and audit acting classes there when I was in high school. My acting teacher, Ingradtonics and shout out to Ingrid taught there and she would let me audit. But my mother would come and find me every time I went and visited. I'd be trying to pretend like I was in college with all the cool kids, and she would come and find me in the cafeteria and yell out to me across the cafeteria like Gilly and Gillian and how's it going. And I was so humiliated. And I think I had a good insight that is the only child of a single mother to go to the college that she worked at. 00:04:57 Speaker 3: Amazing. 00:04:58 Speaker 4: It was game over. It was just like Grey Gardens Express train. So I broke my mother's heart and the bank account and didn't go to CMU. 00:05:10 Speaker 3: That's heartbreaking to hear the dedication to the employee discount that your mom had and you throw that in her face. 00:05:17 Speaker 4: And she stayed until retirement. So I ended up dictating twenty years of her life and career. 00:05:24 Speaker 3: She should have adopted another kid to take advantage your found I don't know, fostered a child or something. That discount went to waste. 00:05:30 Speaker 4: It went completely, absolutely to waste. 00:05:33 Speaker 3: I am horrified. I love an employee discount of family, friends and family discount. 00:05:38 Speaker 4: Was I thinking that is awful. 00:05:41 Speaker 3: I'm ashamed. 00:05:42 Speaker 4: I'm ashamed of myself. 00:05:43 Speaker 3: Well, she's paying you back by moving into, yes, the same city. Absolutely, maybe she'll get a job here where she gets some sort. 00:05:50 Speaker 4: Of secretly get cast on my next show. 00:05:53 Speaker 3: Show up. 00:05:54 Speaker 4: They'd be like, we found this amazing actress to play your mother. She's up and coming. You have a lot of credits, but read I just felt like she knew you already so well, the improvs were like very specific, it's my mom. 00:06:06 Speaker 3: It's a knock on your trailer. Hello, Gillian. 00:06:08 Speaker 4: Oh you're sharing a trailer. 00:06:11 Speaker 3: Wow, that's really really incredible. But you did spend some time at the university. 00:06:16 Speaker 4: Yes, I did. And it's really funny because I now will meet and sometimes work with people who went there for college, and I'll be like, I was that weird thirteen year old sitting silently in the back corner of your freshman acting class. Like Josh Gad and I did this scripted podcast together and he was at Carnegie Mellon when I was in high school, and I was like, do you remember there was ever like this? And I looked very young at thirteen, so I was sure, sure, there's like a child in overalls that was in your freshman acting class. It's like kind of I was like, that was me. I mean, like Matt Boehmer, all these people I knew I met when I was in in high school and they were all. 00:07:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible. I mean, welcome to the podcast Lawnmower. 00:07:05 Speaker 4: How how do your listeners respond to ambient noise? 00:07:08 Speaker 3: In general? Love some ambient noise? How often you get ambient noise in a podcast? But how often is it my horrible neighbor mowing their lawn? These people are out to get me? 00:07:18 Speaker 4: Really, I mean that's too is we know it's like spiteful mowing, probably. 00:07:26 Speaker 3: Half jokingly I feel like they are actively trying to hurt me with the volume in their backyard. 00:07:31 Speaker 4: Neighbors are really difficult. 00:07:33 Speaker 3: Sometimes they left their sprinklers on for a week once, no, no, no, and it flooded me. No, these people are out of control and they're front. 00:07:41 Speaker 4: They're like but the joke was on them because that water bill. 00:07:45 Speaker 3: That must have been But this is the thing. I think. They're like in their mid twenties and they're like millionaires from the Bay Area, which makes me really mad. 00:07:52 Speaker 4: Oh, why don't you invite them on the podcast? What if you make friends with them. 00:07:57 Speaker 3: Or just confront them completely? 00:08:00 Speaker 4: That could be a podcast episode. Of course, I could be the first episode with no gift, I said no gifts, all right. 00:08:09 Speaker 3: And then Colon Exposed or something. I want to have a whole podcast just called Exposed and I expose people in my life. 00:08:14 Speaker 4: Or it could be like this could be a first of its crime where it's a sort of like low grade confrate confrontational podcast, perhaps leading to true crime. As you guys engage in dig and engage in sabotage against each other. 00:08:31 Speaker 3: That's a good idea where you light the fuse on the podcast and then it's kind of self fulfilling. It just keeps bringing new content. You've got crime, you've got petty complaints. 00:08:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can get the city involved. 00:08:42 Speaker 3: Oh I love getting in the city involved. I mean, where can we have to stop talking? I mean, we've had at least acknowledged My neighbors are the star of the podcast. God bless you know. They had to break into the industry. What's going on in your life? 00:08:58 Speaker 4: I think we've already covered. I mean, let's see, Okay, I should do promotion. My publicist will be angry if I don't. I have a new series on Netflix called Transatlantic, which is the I think the reason that we're speaking here today, other than a desire to meet you and be on your podcasts. Transatlantic so it is based on the true story of the Emergency Rescue Committee, which was a group of people who helped rescue around two thousand people out of Europe between nineteen forty and nineteen forty one. Oh And they had an approved list of people that they had official visas for to bring to the United States, which included really famous artists and intellectuals and writers like all the most famous surrealist artists oh wow, and then intellectuals Hannah Aren't, Mark Chagall, Max Ernst, all these people who had angered the Nazi Party. And there were a few Americans involved in this. And the woman I play is based on a real woman who was a an heiress, a rich woman who was already living in Europe. Fled Paris when the Nazis invaded, made her way to Marseille in the south of France, and rather than leave what she could have done because the United States had yet to enter the war, she chose to stay and help fund this rescue operation. 00:10:18 Speaker 3: Wow. Good for her. 00:10:19 Speaker 4: So she was bankrolling it in part. And at one point she rented this large villa outside of Marseille and was sort of hiding all of these artists there as they were waiting to leave. And they ended up creating all this collaborative art together while they're living in this villa. 00:10:37 Speaker 3: Wow. 00:10:39 Speaker 4: And we got to actually see a lot of it. They have it at the museum in Marseille, and there's these collages and they designed their own tarot deck and made they made a surreal, you know, exquisite corpse style where each person does it sec So these like some of the most famous artists of the twentieth century. Were all living together in this villa creating art together. 00:11:02 Speaker 3: Wow. 00:11:03 Speaker 4: And so yeah, the show is called Transatlantic. It's the same writer as the show Unorthodox. 00:11:08 Speaker 3: Oh wonderful. That's a great show. Marsa. So you did the entire thing shoot in Marseille or was okay, no Glendale, no Burbank. 00:11:15 Speaker 4: It was one of those very rare experiences where not only did we shoot it in the city where it actually happened, we did also get to shoot in some of the actual locations. 00:11:24 Speaker 3: Oh how exciting. 00:11:25 Speaker 4: That was pretty special. 00:11:27 Speaker 3: That's the sort of thing where you get to like go on basically what would otherwise be trespassing property. 00:11:32 Speaker 4: Yes, so that one of the main locations that before they moved to this villa, they were at this hotel right in the city of Marseilles. It was called the Hotel Splendide, and they were interviewing people who were trying to get visas and sort of hiding people there. It's no longer a hotel, and the production designers they were basically broken to try and scout it, and the woman who manages the place almost kicked them out, but they managed to get out. Like we're telling the sort of the Emergency Rescue Committee and this man Verian Fry really led this operation. And we're telling the story very in Fry, and she said, Very and Fry, I know everything about Very and Fry. Do you want to see the lobby and ended up letting us shoot there recreate what the lobby would have looked like in nineteen were a shoot in some of the actual rooms. So that was really incredible to know that you're, you know, in the actual same building where a good portion of this story took place. 00:12:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's incredible. I mean this, I've talked about this on this podcast before, but this is essentially what I want to do. I want to write a movie that takes place in the abandoned seeres on Santa Monica, just so I can go in there because I'm dying my god, dying to get him. 00:12:42 Speaker 4: I am so curious about it. I will pa on that. 00:12:47 Speaker 3: Have you seen this building before? 00:12:48 Speaker 4: Yes? 00:12:49 Speaker 1: I have. 00:12:49 Speaker 3: It's like a fortress. Yes, just completely boreded off. Yes, clearly been shut down for decades. 00:12:55 Speaker 4: What are the cross streets because I know I've driven past it like. 00:12:58 Speaker 3: It might be Santa Mona and maybe west of Western. 00:13:03 Speaker 4: Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about. It's quite large, it's too enormous. It looks like a fortress. Did you see fortress. 00:13:10 Speaker 3: Yes, it's taking up such a like a block of Los. 00:13:13 Speaker 4: Angeles fortress of commerce. 00:13:14 Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's so strange in a city where real estate is so valuable that this just giant abandoned seers continues. That's what makes me think maybe there's some sort of magic aura around it that's protecting it, that's keeping it there. Why else do we still have the sears? 00:13:29 Speaker 4: You know? One of my favorite movies when I was a child was Mannekin two. 00:13:33 Speaker 3: Oh, I've only seen Mannekin one. 00:13:35 Speaker 4: Happens to discount Mannikin two. 00:13:39 Speaker 3: Does it have Hollywood? 00:13:41 Speaker 4: Yes? Of course, breakout start, of course. I think Christy Swanson is the star of Mannekin two, and I think she is transported from the medieval era rather than Egypt. I think so. But perhaps that's going on in there. Maybe it's a magical portal, like a combined sort of like Ghostbusters with like a painting that's a portal in a department store that has an access to another time and place in magic, and maybe it can't be disturbed. 00:14:13 Speaker 3: I like the idea of entering a picture inside of Seers. So it's like a picture of somebody in lee jeans or something. You're entering into the dowars. Yes, it's not like a fantasy land. It's more of a just like La nineteen seventy nine or something. 00:14:28 Speaker 4: I would love to see that. 00:14:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, I could get into that, but that's my I keep trying to mention it on this podcast. Eventually somebody is gonna hear it and they're gonna say, Bridger, come to Seers, come see what's happening, And then I'm going to be unbelievably disappointed. 00:14:40 Speaker 4: Yeah. You don't know though, because it could have been a thing where they said, pencils down, everybody walk out, you know. So you know what, if it's a time captrozen in time, that's all I want. 00:14:51 Speaker 3: There's like a skeleton of a Santa Claus still in there. 00:14:57 Speaker 4: So before I compelled my mother to work at Carnegie Mellon, and at an earlier point of her career, she worked at a now non existent department store called Kaufman's. 00:15:05 Speaker 3: Oh I've never heard of Kaufmans. 00:15:06 Speaker 4: So it was like a regional department store. So I grew up in Pittsburgh, So I think it was probably you know, Pennsylvania, Ohio, maybe that area. The family is best known because they commissioned Falling Water the Frank Lloyd Wright money So that's so at one point. You know. So she's very dedicated to her work, and so a lot of times she would go back to work after the store had closed, and because I was an only child of a single parent, she would bring me with her. So I got the experience of being in the department store after hours. Oh which for a fan of Mannequin two jealous. And she would have me go to sleep in like the pillow display, you know. She she'd have me come in my pit. Yes, it was quite magical. You know those weirdly small beds they have to display the sheets. I would sleep in the street. Yes, I would curl up in one of those. It was pretty it was pretty special. 00:16:04 Speaker 3: I haven't seen one of those beds in years. Do they still put those in department stores? 00:16:08 Speaker 4: Now? This is really sad, But when was the last time I was in a department store. 00:16:13 Speaker 3: I'll tell you the last time I was in one. There's a weird mall in Eagle Rock with a Macy's that I went in recently that is absolutely haunted. It's so scary. I should have looked for the beds. I don't remember seeing the beds, but it's still like they haven't changed anything, and they're probably since at least it was probably nineteen ninety eight the last time that store saw any improvement. 00:16:35 Speaker 4: It's not a good time for department stores. 00:16:38 Speaker 3: Rough time to be a Macy's. It's a rough time to be a Dillard's. 00:16:42 Speaker 4: You know. I did these Fear Street movies from Netflix that were right, and the one I was in was set in the nineties, and a lot of it took place in a mall, and we were shooting it in this mall in Atlanta, and we had no problem taking over a good portion of that mall because there were so few places still open. But then we would occasionally get the random, very confused, small patron wandering into our shots. 00:17:09 Speaker 3: Bring them into the show thee. 00:17:12 Speaker 4: If we didn't have to dress them, you know. 00:17:15 Speaker 3: But if you're at an abandoned mall at this point, you might be in the appropriate were. 00:17:19 Speaker 4: You still think you're in the nineties, chance. 00:17:20 Speaker 3: That you've been trapped in Yeah, it's really hard to say. 00:17:23 Speaker 2: No. 00:17:23 Speaker 3: I like to they're back. They're back now they're blowing the clipping, so we want to make sure the yard looks good. Christine, the lawn is clipped. Now we're going to blow those away. And then I think, unless they've got a weed whacker. Yeah, my knowledge of taking care of a lawn, that should be it. 00:17:40 Speaker 4: Those are the noisiest things. 00:17:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, the weed whacker and the leaf flowers at what it's called. 00:17:46 Speaker 4: The leaf flower is quite loud. But if they do any pruning that'll be basically silent pruning. 00:17:50 Speaker 3: It will actually be really pleasant. I love to hear something that clipped clip clip clip clip your tree, clip your thing. Well, I mean, speaking of intrusions and annoying things on a pot podcast, my presence, well well, well, well, I was so excited to have Gillia Jacobs. I thought, Gillian's gonna come over. Everyone loves her, we'll have a great time. Nothing will go wrong. I mean maybe the neighbors will, of course try to fuck things up, as they always do, but I didn't count on Gillian showing up to I said, no gifts with a what's obviously a gift, it's in a Hallmark gift bag kind of boy, is it, Oh. 00:18:30 Speaker 4: You're looking at the cigarette is Indeed, it's. 00:18:35 Speaker 3: Two ninety nine. By the way, if you're looking for this gift bag, it's in a Is this a Gingham print over? Did you pay for them to bring you sleapfloor? 00:18:46 Speaker 4: I was worried about this podcast appearance, so I thought, just have some light sabotage. 00:18:53 Speaker 3: God knows what's next for this podcast. 00:18:55 Speaker 4: And my second bit of sabotage was to. 00:18:57 Speaker 3: Bring a gift Well, whatever, number three, you're just going to murder me in my. 00:19:06 Speaker 4: Flock of birds have arrived. Okay, going back to Transatlantic, we did get to shoot in this incredible villa outside of Marseille. It was beautiful, stunningly gorgeous home. The only problem was a whole flock of birds had taken roost in the house and there were seemingly a thousand frogs that lived in this con So you'd be doing these emotional, high stakes life or death scenes and it's just the loudest frogs you ever heard in your I had to hold for frogs, Yes, I had to hold for frogs and birds. It was like, and what can you do? Really, it's their home. 00:19:44 Speaker 3: There's nothing you can do. 00:19:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, you couldn't do an arrangement, you know, that's not in the contract you signed with the owner relocate the frogs. Yes, so I am very familiar with holding for birds. 00:19:56 Speaker 3: How long does it take for frogs to stop talking? We'll say it's top. 00:20:00 Speaker 4: Until the sun rises. I don't know. 00:20:02 Speaker 3: I mean, it was just this sounds so magical, though it is, until you're till you're like exhausted. 00:20:08 Speaker 4: It's you're close up, you're so tired. Please, yeah, you're you're negotiating with frogs. 00:20:14 Speaker 3: Plague of frogs. Yes, okay, well the I'm not I'm going to barrel through the sabotage. 00:20:20 Speaker 4: I'm not going to let it is an incredible looking bird, that gorgeous. It was beautiful. I've never seen one like it. 00:20:27 Speaker 3: We have a lot of birds over in this area. We have parrots, we have ravens, we have that was. I don't know any type of bird other than a raven or a crow. Uh so, but hopefully we'll have some more of and we can observe. 00:20:40 Speaker 4: But that's what people love in a podcast. 00:20:46 Speaker 3: I bet there's a bird watching podcast listened. I guarantee it just two people sitting in the bush, just watching, watching watching, Watching, Watching, five hour long episodes four birds. Okay, you've tried to distract from this gift tooth and nail, But I am a professional. I want to see what's happening in here? Should I open it up? 00:21:05 Speaker 5: Why not? Okay? Well this way, all this way. 00:21:25 Speaker 3: Here we go. So as I said, it's in I think a gingh. I'm printing pink and white. 00:21:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like picnic, think picnic, think picnic table cloth, table picnic tablecloth, tissue, and I like a pink and red color commendation. Some people don't like it, yeah, but I enjoy it because. 00:21:44 Speaker 3: It's not monochrome. No, it's they're related. They're related almost, I'll say almost a mother daughter relationship, wouldn't you say? 00:21:54 Speaker 4: I think my unconscious mind got me again. 00:21:57 Speaker 3: The red is the mother, the pink is you know, mixed with another with the white to make it a little bit different to mother daughter relationship. There you go, but who knows what's happening in here? Let's open it up, all right? 00:22:08 Speaker 4: Tissue paper? 00:22:10 Speaker 3: We got the crinkle. Oh, and I think I brought the there's something heavier. 00:22:13 Speaker 4: Yes, that's that is the gift I wrapped, rather than the tissue paper being on top. 00:22:20 Speaker 3: This is very cute. 00:22:21 Speaker 4: Okay, good, it's a. 00:22:22 Speaker 3: Little magnet, a snow snow I was about to say snowman, like it's the last snowman, verry snowman. Uh, let's see it, says snowman from Clementine Hunter call tell me about what's happened. So it's a little like almost it's is it ceramic or wood snow. 00:22:41 Speaker 4: Cyoramic snowman magnet? He kind of looks like an abominable snow man? 00:22:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, because does it have several sets of eyes? 00:22:49 Speaker 4: I think he's maybe got two noseholes, two eyebrows, one mouth. 00:22:55 Speaker 3: That's coming into clarity here, yes, but what's going on here? 00:23:01 Speaker 4: I think I purchased this in New Orleans, perhaps while filming Hot Tub Time Machine two. 00:23:07 Speaker 3: Ooh. 00:23:09 Speaker 4: I think I purchased this at a museum. That is one of my favorite things to do when on location in a different city is go to the museums. And I think this snowman comes from. 00:23:20 Speaker 3: A gift shop and was probably a larger piece of art within the museum or the artist. 00:23:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, or I don't remember, can't say I remember much. I may have a Christmas ornament that is also by the same artist. 00:23:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, this feels Christmas ornament adjacent. 00:23:37 Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, like a rankin' in bass Christmas. 00:23:40 Speaker 3: Right, character a little bit more freaky. 00:23:44 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's up to some stuff. 00:23:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's got some sort of thing on his foot there. 00:23:51 Speaker 4: I think that might be the artist's signature. But it looks like he has little red boots on and red mittens as well. 00:23:56 Speaker 3: Right. When was the last time you made a snowman? Oh? 00:24:00 Speaker 4: My, we have to go all the way back to my childhood in Pennsylvania. 00:24:04 Speaker 3: I think do you remember ever successfully making a snowman? I feel like every attempt I ever made was sad. 00:24:11 Speaker 4: It might have been paltry, but I think I did. I'm sure I've made a snowman okay, and done snow angels. 00:24:18 Speaker 3: Snow angels, that's an easier Yes. 00:24:21 Speaker 4: I've had snowballs thrown at me with a rock in the middle. 00:24:25 Speaker 3: Were you injured? 00:24:26 Speaker 4: I remember I was walking home from school and some other kids in my class were throwing snowballs at me. Okay, and I tattled to my teacher, which didn't endear me further. Yes, I love a narc. 00:24:44 Speaker 3: We love a rat. 00:24:46 Speaker 4: I've worked on it. I've worked on it. It's one of the things I think I've improved on. But one time I didn't tattle. But I was walking home from school on lunch break and a boy from my class was telling me that he was going to kill me my cat, and I started crying, and a teacher drove by saw me crying. Okay, Did I then tell her what he had just said? Yes? Okay, sure she had already seen me crying, so it wasn't a full tattle. 00:25:12 Speaker 3: Right, she saw some sort of evidence of a crime. Yes, you, I think you were totally in the right here and probably helped that little boy had he committed Yeah, who knows where he would be now? Catracide, catricide? Yeah, yeah, you've got to. I feel like you just got to constantly rat people out. I think I support ratting people out where a wire betray whoever, I think that that's absolutely fine. I remember this may have been a myth or a local urban legend where I grew up, but I was told that somebody had a snowball thrown at their head and their eye popped out. Oh do we believe that? I feel like you've got to really, how could that be that's got to be shot out of a machine. 00:25:52 Speaker 4: I think that's a very good story for parents to repeat. But how could that. I mean, there was the old you know, put a rock inside of it to give it some more heft and damage. But to pop. 00:26:06 Speaker 3: An eye out, that's gonna be launched out of a cannon or something. Yes, I can't imagine one child's arm is strong enough to pop an eye out. 00:26:16 Speaker 4: I've never contemplated the physics of that, but it seems unlikely. 00:26:20 Speaker 3: Well, this is a science and tech podcast. 00:26:23 Speaker 4: I did briefly have one of those. You did, I had a STEM podcast. What happened there, Well, they canceled it, but we had a great time while it lasted. 00:26:34 Speaker 3: Did you look into physics? 00:26:36 Speaker 4: We never had a physicist, you know. 00:26:38 Speaker 3: Well there's a problem. 00:26:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, naturally, I'm incorrect. I think in that we did talk about black holes in the nature of space and time and if time travel was actually possible in one episode doctor Clifford Johnson. I have to look up his title, So maybe I'm wrong in that. We did talk a lot about birds, though, because birds are actually dinosaurs. 00:27:02 Speaker 3: I'm hearing a lot of reasons why your podcast was canceled we talked about birds and people liked it. 00:27:09 Speaker 4: We had an avian palaeontologist. 00:27:11 Speaker 3: Oh, that's exciting. Yes, this is the relaunch. 00:27:16 Speaker 4: Yes, periodic talks. 00:27:17 Speaker 3: It's giving taste. 00:27:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I found it fascinating, but I guess I was the only one. 00:27:25 Speaker 3: What did you come to any conclusions as far as time travel goes? 00:27:29 Speaker 4: That it wouldn't happen in the way that it's been portrayed in film and television, But if you did get very close to a black hole, that the nature of time does change, so time slows down the closer you get to it. So if you were to return to Earth, it would be as though many years would have passed, but for you would have it would have felt like a much smaller time. 00:27:51 Speaker 3: Hud Oh, sure, sort of like a Flight of the Navigator is kind of a classic movie with that happening. The little boy flies away from Florida and comes back and I think his family's dead or something. 00:28:02 Speaker 4: It would be something like that. 00:28:04 Speaker 3: Okay, Yes, which is haunting. 00:28:07 Speaker 4: Haunting, but unlikely to happen to any of us imminently. So right, don't stay up at night worrying about that unless you are in training to become an astronaut. 00:28:16 Speaker 3: Right, I don't think you're going to accidentally get too close to a black hole unlikely or travel at light speed. 00:28:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, there are a lot of other things to worry about. 00:28:25 Speaker 3: Oh, certainly the list goes on and on. I'd love to just freak peak thele out right now and start naming things to worry about. Would you rather travel forward or backward in time? 00:28:36 Speaker 4: I think I'd like to see dinosaurs. 00:28:40 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:28:42 Speaker 4: Another place my mother worked was the Natural History Museum. 00:28:45 Speaker 3: Tell me that you took advantage of one of these employee discounts. 00:28:49 Speaker 4: Well, So my mother worked at the Natural History Museum as well, and I was a teen docent because I'm cool. 00:28:58 Speaker 3: Hand in hand with a ratting people out yep. 00:29:01 Speaker 4: And so I worked at this little exhibit for children that was about dinosaurs. And so I would love to see dinosaurs. So if I could go back to one of the ages of the dinosaur. 00:29:13 Speaker 3: And I'd like to see that now as a teen docent. Yes, are you giving tours? 00:29:19 Speaker 4: We were stationed, okay, we were not a given free reign of the museum. So we had one area and I remember it was something like I had a ginko tree leaf, and I would say, you know, ginko trees are so old. They were around at the time of the dinosaurs. We had a piece of uh amber with like an insect frozen in the middle of it. Oh wow, you could dig for fossils in one little area. So we we tried to give children a sense of, you know, what life was like during the many millennia the dinosaurs roamed to the earth. 00:29:55 Speaker 3: Do you feel like the other children resented you? Did they think this no it all? Or was it like, oh, she's fun and knows more. I feel like most kids. 00:30:03 Speaker 4: Oh no, no, you're getting to deep wounds. That probably resented. I didn't have a lot of friends as a child, so whatever I was doing wasn't working. They were throwing snowballs at me, telling me they were going to kill my cat. 00:30:17 Speaker 3: So I feel like, but what were you doing? What I was. 00:30:22 Speaker 4: Being me, which was not great? I think there was kind of yeah, oh god. 00:30:32 Speaker 3: Child, you were let's look at the bright side. Here. You were sleeping in tiny beds in department stores. You knew things about dinosaurs and old plants. Yes, you were best friends with teacher. Yeah, what's wrong with that? Child? 00:30:48 Speaker 4: Is a kid? Who has a lot of friends, who socially well adjusted and didn't need to do plays with adults to find people to talk to them. 00:30:58 Speaker 3: Every child should be like that. We need more children that are examples like that for other children. We've got to get other kids being docents at museums. Uh, Pittsburgh has what's their famous museum is the Carnegie. Oh right, I don't think i've been there. I was in Pittsburgh for the museum. Okay, I think it was the Carnegie. Yes, yeah, which is always surprising to me that it's not Carnegie, because that's confusing. 00:31:25 Speaker 4: It's the same man, right, But we say it correctly. 00:31:32 Speaker 3: Why does everybody else say Carnegie? 00:31:33 Speaker 4: They don't know. 00:31:34 Speaker 3: Why didn't he speak up for himself. He had off the moneyed well in the moment, he should have done something. 00:31:41 Speaker 4: It was, you know, a tight of industry and shy started many museums, I mean many libraries, many public libraries across this country were funded by Andrew Carnegie. 00:31:53 Speaker 3: When you get to that level level of wealth, I think there's a real feeling of guilt and you're trying to be like, well, I'm doing something. I mean, they should all be put in prison. The sacklers, let's launch them into space. Whatever. But this is kind of a similar thing. Well, he wasn't getting people hooked on opioids. Let's be honest. 00:32:14 Speaker 4: And I don't think the labor practices are great. 00:32:17 Speaker 3: I probably had a lot of uh people, a lot of kids who would have rather been docents working in factories that kind of thing. 00:32:25 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not great. So his guilt led to a lot of museums in Pittsburgh and libraries across the country. 00:32:33 Speaker 3: Right, but you were not working at the Carnegie. It was such a hard word to say, Oh, that's the Naked. 00:32:38 Speaker 4: Natural History Museum. That's where my mother Okay, when I was really little. 00:32:42 Speaker 3: What a resume your mom has? 00:32:44 Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of I could go into all of them if you'd like. I mean, this is what the listeners are looking for. Yeah, those are the big ones, though, the ones that intersected with my life really in any kind of significant way. 00:32:56 Speaker 3: Right, I mean, let's talk about other people from Pittsburgh, Miss Rogers. Yes, I rode the little what do we call it's not is it the trolley that goes up the hill? 00:33:05 Speaker 4: The fornicular? 00:33:06 Speaker 3: The fornicular? Yes, I think that was like my one real positive experience in Pittsburgh outside of the wedding I went to. That was the real highlight for me. 00:33:16 Speaker 4: Yeah. I can understand that I. 00:33:17 Speaker 3: Had a good time in Pittsburgh, let's be honest, but that was like for me, the one thing I'll remember. 00:33:22 Speaker 4: It's fun, isn't it. 00:33:23 Speaker 3: It's fun. It was like ninety eight degrees and the humidity was at a thousand, so it was not comfortable, No, but it felt like you were in the little toy village. 00:33:34 Speaker 4: Do you know that I once swam in the same pool as mister Rogers when I was a swimmer. Yes, So he and my father belonged to the same athletic club. 00:33:44 Speaker 3: You're kidding. 00:33:45 Speaker 4: And I used to have a lot of my birthday parties there when I was a child. They had a bowling alley in the basement they had a pool, and so I was having a pool party with my few friends, the few friends I convinced, and maybe it was just the prospect of getting to swim that it got them to agree. 00:34:01 Speaker 3: That a lot of people to a birthday part. 00:34:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, And so we had rented the pool out for an hour, and I remember when we got there, the lifeguard said, I'm so sorry, but this is when mister Rogers swims his laps, Oh diva, So is it all right if he, you know, swims his We've blocked off a lane for him. You can have the rest of the pool, but mister Rogers is going to swim his laps while you have your pool party. And we were freaking outdoors, freaking out. How many people have you had a who've seen mister Rogers in his swim trunks? 00:34:35 Speaker 3: Very few of us have gotten to see that torso or those thighs exclusive. 00:34:40 Speaker 4: Yes, so that was a real treat. 00:34:42 Speaker 3: How long did he swim for quite a while? 00:34:44 Speaker 4: The man was in good shape. 00:34:45 Speaker 3: Did you get to make noise? 00:34:47 Speaker 4: Yes? He I think like children. 00:34:51 Speaker 3: Be incredible. If this is the first time we learned that this man was the queen of the swimming pool. Wow, that's really nice. 00:34:59 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:35:00 Speaker 3: So, I mean that's the ultimate birthday party for a. 00:35:02 Speaker 4: Child and ultimate Pittsburgh icon of. 00:35:05 Speaker 3: Course, like everything coming together in a huge way. You were pulling out every stop for this birthday party, trying to be like someone be my friend. 00:35:12 Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, not enough. 00:35:14 Speaker 3: Did you get to meet him briefly? 00:35:17 Speaker 4: Yes? 00:35:17 Speaker 3: In swim trunks are dressed swim trunks. Wow, this is incredible. Now, that is really a wild experience to be there with a shirtless mister Rogers at your birthday. 00:35:31 Speaker 4: And my birthday. That was the present. His presence was a present. 00:35:36 Speaker 3: There you go. Of course, I imagine he was pleasant. 00:35:39 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, lovely. 00:35:40 Speaker 3: Do you remember anything about the interaction. 00:35:43 Speaker 4: I just remember being truly starstruck, like I don't you know, he's beloved worldwide, but in Pittsburgh it is like he is. Of course, you know, he is our most beloved person. Right, so you have met him in person? 00:35:57 Speaker 3: Was he wet or dry? 00:35:58 Speaker 4: Both? 00:35:59 Speaker 3: But when you met him? 00:36:00 Speaker 4: Oh, we're going back. I mean, I just my most vivid memory is I'm telling me mister Rogers would be swimming and then watching him swim laps as we were splashing around and doing handstance. So I don't I can't give you more than that unless you want me to make it up. 00:36:17 Speaker 3: But I get up make it ups. 00:36:22 Speaker 4: He just you know, he's he's just what you wrought him to be. 00:36:26 Speaker 3: Which is, oh, this makes me so happy. But how do you focus on your birthday party when Fred Rogers is just splashing around? Yes? Wow, I mean I can't even imagine. 00:36:37 Speaker 4: I was happy to, you know, be second seat to mister Rogers. You really got to concede your birthday party, of course him. 00:36:44 Speaker 3: But every other parent in Pittsburgh is now furious that, like, I hired a clown and oh my gosh, Gillian gets mister Rogers. 00:36:50 Speaker 4: I remember one of the only birthday parties I was invited to as a child in elementary school, there was a clown, and I have a very vivid memory have the clown going up to my friend's grandmother and telling her, you know, I'm also a stripper on the side. 00:37:07 Speaker 3: Oh my god, you got to have that side hustle. You've got to find a way to make money. 00:37:15 Speaker 4: The duality of man, of course. 00:37:17 Speaker 3: The layers here, the layers at work. I wonder if you got much business as a strippers. To me, that doesn't feel like the right approach to get new business. 00:37:27 Speaker 4: But we don't know. We can't say that for sure. 00:37:31 Speaker 3: Right, And when you're a clown, you're so covered up. You approach another person, you're like, you want to see what's happening underneath. There's a little curiosity there. Absolutely get some of that. That's an interesting stripping idea. Actually you are full clown. Yes, you start by very slowly removing your face paint. 00:37:49 Speaker 4: Does the nose remain on the entire time? 00:37:51 Speaker 3: That's the last thing that gets taken off. But this is like an hour's long strip where we're just like fairly taking the makeup off. Eventually the what is this thing? Like the bib No, it's rough. The ruffle, yeah, that gets taken off, and the giant shoes. This is something that clown should look into and a stripper should look into. Magic. That is so wild. 00:38:15 Speaker 4: I cann't believe that. He said that in an earshot of me as a small child. 00:38:19 Speaker 3: Right, and didn't expect to be like asked to leave the birthday party. You know, maybe Pittsburgh is for clowns. 00:38:26 Speaker 4: Maybe there had been a previous conversation with the grandmother that I wasn't privy to. 00:38:29 Speaker 3: So interesting. She's like, what else you got? 00:38:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what. I don't know. All I know is I really remember this. 00:38:38 Speaker 3: And there's no judgment on this clown. No, he was, he's working. 00:38:41 Speaker 4: It absolutely does every type of sources of income. 00:38:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course you have maybe more he could. He could be peddling drugs. 00:38:50 Speaker 4: We don't know. 00:38:51 Speaker 3: We simply don't know. He could, but he's probably dead, so we can't ask that we should assume he's dead. If you're a proaching people at birth children's birthdays about your stripping business, you're probably dead by now. Let's be honest. You've got to separate the world's Although this was probably pre internet, so it's like yellow Pages. You've got to get the word out somehow. Absolutely, do you have a card? That's the question, A little thing to hand to grandma? 00:39:16 Speaker 4: Is it a two sided card? 00:39:18 Speaker 2: Oh? 00:39:18 Speaker 3: Interesting? Save money? See, but that's an adult's only card. You can't be handing that out to kids at the birthday. Interesting, yep, this is why your mom hired mister Rogers instead. 00:39:28 Speaker 4: I don't think we could have afforded that. 00:39:30 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, I don't know. For all you know, this is your mom's been that's her secret. 00:39:36 Speaker 4: It wasn't mister Rogers. 00:39:42 Speaker 3: He had long red hair. Looking back on. 00:39:45 Speaker 4: It, see what you want to see an eyepatch. 00:39:50 Speaker 3: This is not mister Rogers. Wow. Interesting, Wow, you had the ultimate children's birthday party and all I got to do ride the fornicular. Do you say fornicular or funicular. 00:40:04 Speaker 4: As I was saying, and I felt like I wasn't saying it correctly. 00:40:07 Speaker 3: I can't picture that word in my head. 00:40:09 Speaker 4: I know Angel's Flight downtown, Downtown, that's not its original location. You know, they moved it. They moved it there. It was actually like functional because you know, now you just ride it up and down nowhere, it doesn't actually get you anywhere. And its original location, it actually took you from a higher elevation to a lower elevation. 00:40:26 Speaker 3: How high of an elevation it must have been longer downtown LA. You know that's true. 00:40:31 Speaker 4: So I don't know where it was, but I know it was moved there. 00:40:34 Speaker 3: Okay, yes, when they decided that there must have been a fitness craze where like you're now walking up the hills. 00:40:40 Speaker 4: Well, we used to have a lot of trolley cars in Los Angeles. What a shame, I know, And so I think the purpose of it was for commuters. It took you from one trolley line to it. You might want to do some fact checking out look a lease, look into it. 00:40:54 Speaker 3: Gillian has worked at a museum, has had a science podcast. No, I've been on the Angels landing thing, and it was a fun, novelty, but ultimately useless. 00:41:05 Speaker 4: Yes, so the one in Pittsburgh actually has the advantage of taking you somewhere. 00:41:09 Speaker 3: It does take you somewhere, unless you're media. Then you just get to the top and wondering, well, now I guess I'm hot and have to go. 00:41:14 Speaker 4: Back down Mount Washington, which is what it takes you up to. There are many restaurants right along that sort of cliff line with beautiful views of downtown, and that was like the go to fancy, expensive prom, dinner, anniversary, big life event place. 00:41:33 Speaker 3: And like in your prom dress, do you write up the thing to the restaurant or you take. 00:41:37 Speaker 4: It to prom or I wouldn't know. 00:41:39 Speaker 3: Well, welcome to Gillian's pity party. Well that's in theory you would wear your prom dress. 00:41:48 Speaker 4: Yes, because actually at the base of it there is a hotel that has a ballroom, which was a frequent location for school prom. So high I'm envisioning a world in which maybe you get dropped off at the base, you take the funicular fornicular to the top of Mount Washington, have your dinner, ride back down, then go to the hotel for your prom. Interesting, I've mapped it out for some high school. 00:42:14 Speaker 3: And it feels like all of these places are in cahoots with each other, like ferrying teens to the restaurant. Like all of this people are getting paybacks or what is that? A kickback? Payback is a different thing. We do love then you get payback. Interesting, that's that's where that word comes from. Yeah, prom at a hotel. We just had them in our high school gym. M. No, that I'm actually along. We had dances at the high school gym. The prom happened at the capitol. 00:42:42 Speaker 4: What's that? 00:42:44 Speaker 2: Like? 00:42:44 Speaker 3: The capitol building? 00:42:45 Speaker 4: What? 00:42:46 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:42:46 Speaker 4: Where did you grow up? 00:42:48 Speaker 3: Utah? Right outside of Salt Lake City? 00:42:50 Speaker 4: Wow? 00:42:50 Speaker 3: So you would go up to the capitol building and dance in the rotunda? Or is it rotundra? 00:42:56 Speaker 4: Tunda? 00:42:57 Speaker 3: Now, rotundra is a different is a new thing? That's kind of an icy landscape? 00:43:02 Speaker 4: A tundra? 00:43:03 Speaker 3: Yes, with frozen and there's a Yeah. 00:43:07 Speaker 4: There's a capitol building on a tundra in Russia. Yeah. Wow, so you went to a governmental building for your prom. 00:43:15 Speaker 3: I'm wondering, now, are there some kickbacks there? That feels like there's some there are some conflicts of interest. 00:43:22 Speaker 4: But that's a very stately prom to have. 00:43:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, I wonder what the logic was behind that. Maybe money was being saved. They didn't want to space. It was a large open space, hard floors. Yes, and uh, I don't know. 00:43:41 Speaker 4: So was it like they'd have like the state Constitution on display right, like got the punch bowl? Like wow, yeah, I never heard of this. 00:43:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, And now I'm thinking I don't even know that there was a punch bowl. I don't know that there were any level of refreshments. That can't be true. 00:43:56 Speaker 4: Well think about it, though, if you're in a governmental building and there could be things of value around, maybe you're say. 00:44:03 Speaker 3: No refreshments, splashing punch. 00:44:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can have the dance here, but no refreshments. 00:44:10 Speaker 3: No juice, mustaches, that sort of thing. The water fountain, Yeah, I can only remember going to the water fountain. Did you go to any high school dances? 00:44:17 Speaker 4: I went to a few of the ones leading up to prom, but not prom. 00:44:21 Speaker 3: Okay, and so your performance at these other ones did meant she cannot come to the prom? 00:44:27 Speaker 4: I was out. 00:44:29 Speaker 3: It's kind of a trial you had to go through. 00:44:31 Speaker 4: Interesting I failed. 00:44:34 Speaker 3: I just recently And this is burning off part of the game that we usually played, but somebody listener had mentioned adult prom. Have you heard of this? No, I didn't look into it, but I guess that's a thing. I guess people as adults have on at least have you ever heard of this? What is it? 00:44:50 Speaker 4: I mean the ones that I know of are more like themed, like for queer people. So it's like the people they did get to go with the people they wanted to with, you know, the gender there actually attracted relative experience. Yes, oh, I like that. 00:45:03 Speaker 3: Okay, I can support this. 00:45:05 Speaker 4: I don't support straight prom though. 00:45:07 Speaker 5: Chance. 00:45:09 Speaker 3: Interesting, I mean prom in general. Let's just say it's a bad idea. I'm kind of against prom at all. 00:45:15 Speaker 4: I'm not up at night thinking about the fact that I didn't go to mine until today. Until today, Yeah, I'm so. 00:45:23 Speaker 3: Begins your download spiral. 00:45:25 Speaker 4: It began. 00:45:27 Speaker 3: Hours ago, exactly minutes ago. 00:45:31 Speaker 4: Yes, no, I mean I remember I went to giving you a full picture of me. I went to an international relations summer camp at Georgetown in high school. 00:45:42 Speaker 3: You were every parent's dream child. 00:45:47 Speaker 4: We played like model un you know, and had lectures from Georgetown professors and lived in the dorms. And I remember we had a dance at the end of this program and for a lot of us. I'll say, this is the first dance we ever gone to. And there was a lot of excitement and energy you know there, and no one had to be asked, you know, you were freed from your you know context of your normal high school. It was all of us there together. That was a really fun time. 00:46:14 Speaker 3: Yeah that sounds And like, what country did you represent to the UN? 00:46:19 Speaker 4: I don't think I did well enough to be like on the UN Security Council list. I can't remember which country it was. I just remember like a lot of hours spent in a classroom with a whiteboard and us trying to figure out strategy but realizing that we didn't basically have any leverage. 00:46:38 Speaker 3: But you did get to go to the dance. 00:46:39 Speaker 4: I did get to the dance. Yeah, that was really fun. 00:46:43 Speaker 3: I mean, maybe the UN should hold a dance every year. Maybe that could help problem with relations. Yeah, international relations would be completely fine if everybody got to go to the dance. I don't know. These are just my ideas. They're all good. 00:46:58 Speaker 4: Get on a plane to New York, head over to the US. 00:47:01 Speaker 3: Storm the UN. That's another good idea for me. I think good things happen when you storm a building. Yes, well this all started just because we were talking about this little snowman, which we've almost said nothing about. 00:47:20 Speaker 4: What is there to say? 00:47:21 Speaker 3: What is there to say? 00:47:22 Speaker 4: Did you make a lot of snowman growing up in yours? 00:47:25 Speaker 3: They were all bad? Okay, they were all I think. But that's more of a commitment issue for me, where it's just like I'm cold and wet, I've got half a snowman, I'm done. 00:47:35 Speaker 4: Are you a skier? 00:47:36 Speaker 3: I was a skier and then a snowboarder, and now haven't done it in years. I have actually a friend gave me a snowboard that has now been sitting in my garage for a year and a half. I need to get the bindings attached. But again, commitment follow through is very hard for me, So that's just kind of waiting for me. Do you do either? 00:47:52 Speaker 1: No? 00:47:53 Speaker 3: Have you ever done either? 00:47:54 Speaker 4: No? 00:47:55 Speaker 3: Interesting? Which you know? I mean from your answer, it doesn't seem like there's any interest. 00:48:00 Speaker 4: Here's another childhood story. My father got me ski lessons when I was a very small child. I say, let's say like six or seven years old. Okay, he goes off to ski for an hour, he comes back. He asked the teacher, so how she do and the teacher said she refused to move, and she said it was too dangerous. Why would she want to learn how. 00:48:24 Speaker 3: To do that? 00:48:25 Speaker 4: So I utterly refused my one and only ski lesson as a child. 00:48:30 Speaker 3: I mean, but probably saved your life. I think you knew better. 00:48:33 Speaker 4: I think it's quite sensible. I mean, I did not want to slide down a mountain covered in snow and ice. 00:48:41 Speaker 3: No, no worry about it. Not in Pennsylvania. 00:48:44 Speaker 4: Not in Pennsylvania. 00:48:45 Speaker 3: It's not famous snow, not at all. 00:48:47 Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's an older mountain range as well, compared to the Western United States. 00:48:52 Speaker 3: You've got these cool new mountain ranges. You grew up around the trendy yeah in ranges. 00:49:02 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:49:02 Speaker 3: I skied as a kid and then snowboarded. It's so dangerous. I think the skiing became scary to me when Tony Danza broke his back. Do you remember this. 00:49:12 Speaker 4: I don't remember this. 00:49:14 Speaker 3: I think nineteen ninety three. This had a huge imprint on me. Tony Danza utah skiing down, flying down the mountain, runs into a tree. H I wonder if he ever skied. 00:49:24 Speaker 4: After these are all the things I was thinking about as a child. 00:49:27 Speaker 3: It's very scary. Yeah, you're going very. 00:49:29 Speaker 4: Fast, like both feet on the ground. Oh sedentary? Please? 00:49:34 Speaker 3: And if that can happen to Tony Danz, I can happen to anyone truly. Well maybe it's maybe it's down the road for you. 00:49:41 Speaker 4: I think not. I think not. 00:49:45 Speaker 3: What's the most dangerous thing you do? That's the most exciting thing you do? 00:49:49 Speaker 4: I mean I think it would be driving in Los Angeles? 00:49:54 Speaker 3: Do you drive on the freeways? Oh? 00:49:55 Speaker 2: You do? 00:49:56 Speaker 3: You came on the freeway here? 00:49:57 Speaker 5: Yes? 00:49:57 Speaker 3: Yes, I barely drive on the freeway. Really. I get on Google Maps and I type avoid highways. 00:50:03 Speaker 4: Have you had a negative experience on one where it's. 00:50:07 Speaker 3: Just my own personal driving? Oh? As a driver? 00:50:11 Speaker 2: Thank you? 00:50:12 Speaker 4: Then I as a as a driver in Los Angeles County, I say thank you. 00:50:15 Speaker 3: Then. Yeah, I've got to stay off the freeways at all costs. Okay, I try I on occasion you have to. 00:50:21 Speaker 4: Yes. So do you limit yourself mainly to this general neighborhood? 00:50:26 Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm all over town. 00:50:27 Speaker 4: I'm just something a strong time to get there. 00:50:31 Speaker 3: It's usually ten to fifteen minutes longer yes, but look, I like listening to music. 00:50:36 Speaker 4: Your own podcast. 00:50:37 Speaker 3: I just have my podcast. I just think, let's get the sound of my own voice, high volume. 00:50:45 Speaker 4: I know, I don't want me guide me. 00:50:49 Speaker 3: Me listening to my own podcast on the freeway would be immediate death. I would steer off the road. It would be the end for me. No, I don't mind spending time in the car, So I'm like, let's get on, let's go thirty miles an hour. But you're dangerously driving, You're reckless. Let's just be honest. 00:51:04 Speaker 4: I didn't say I was reckless. I just think it's you know, it's exciting. It's probably the thing I do that has the highest likelihood of, you know, something going wrong. 00:51:13 Speaker 5: Right. 00:51:14 Speaker 3: And there's that one part where you pass through downtown where they're in fourteen freeways, so many, and you have to be from one lane to another in a split second. 00:51:22 Speaker 4: That's frightening. I just end up getting on the wrong one, exiting turning around at a certain point. You can't merge that many. 00:51:30 Speaker 3: It's a given you will just be on the wrong freeway for a little while and you'll have to correct. 00:51:34 Speaker 4: I'm at peace with that. 00:51:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, it's much better than putting your life in jeopard. 00:51:39 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, zooming across six lanes. 00:51:42 Speaker 3: Is there anything you exciting you do that you enjoy? 00:51:46 Speaker 4: No, I told you I got you this gift. I was going solo to museums. I mean that is my favorite thing to do when you know, when in a new place. I like to go to as many museums as possible. Have I not told you enough already? 00:52:04 Speaker 3: You've got to spice it up. This is now, this is my new goal. I'm going to write the movie about the abandoned series. Okay, but you're going to star in and have to uh fall from the sky into drop from the sky into the sears. 00:52:17 Speaker 4: I have been on bires in a scene I did one. I did a movie Magic Camp, where I played a magician and I had to make an entrance onto a stage that involved me being on wires and seeming to fly float down onto the stage. So I doesn't want or you know, I was shockingly cool about it, given how afraid I am of everything. I was alright with that seemed like, yeah, a small thing to do. 00:52:41 Speaker 3: Because it was like a good time with professionals. 00:52:43 Speaker 4: Yes, my new podcast, A good Time with Professionals not a bad idea, better than my science podcasts, A certainly kind of at risk. Yeah good, Yeah, so I've been on wires for that. That was alright. I didn't mind that so much. When I was a child, I did this play and I remember the director saying to me, as an actor, never do anything that the director won't demonstrate for you themselves. 00:53:07 Speaker 3: Oh interesting. 00:53:08 Speaker 4: So I've tried to keep that mantra in mind. Show me you want me to do? 00:53:13 Speaker 3: What that's so smart? Show me that's the opposite of Tom Cruise. Mm hmmm, it's very interesting. That's like, if somebody offers you food, it's like, I want to see you try it. Yes, maybe it's gross, Maybe it's poisoned, could be, could be both. 00:53:29 Speaker 4: Both things have happened in the history of the world. 00:53:31 Speaker 3: Imagine biting into a gross piece of food that then is poisonous. What a waste? 00:53:35 Speaker 4: What a waste? You should disguise the poison. It's You're not a very good poisoner if you've made the food gross. 00:53:40 Speaker 3: And a horrible chef. M hm, take some lessons before you try to kill me. 00:53:44 Speaker 4: Exactly. 00:53:44 Speaker 3: That's all I want, just a little bit of professionalism and an assassination tease. Wonderful. Well, I think we should play a game. Okay, let's we're gonna I'm trying to commit to playing every other game in this podcast, every other episode because I've a failure. So we're gonna play gift or a curse. 00:54:02 Speaker 4: Okay. 00:54:02 Speaker 3: I need a number between one and ten from you. 00:54:04 Speaker 4: Three. 00:54:05 Speaker 3: Okay, I have to do some light calculating. I'm gonna get the game pieces. Blah blah blah. You have the mic. You can promote, recommend insults, do whatever you want. 00:54:14 Speaker 4: Despite comments made previously on this podcast, I think my science podcast was an enjoyable listen. We worked quite hard on it. There's two seasons of episodes if you'd care to listen. It's called Periodic Talks. We had a whole We had astronauts, we had avan paleontologists. As I said, we had volcanologists. We talk to people who study whales. All right, don't be dissuaded. I think a curiosity about the world around us really improves your enjoyment of life. You look at trees with new eyes, You listen to bird songs and think dinosaurs. Check it out. 00:54:52 Speaker 3: Incredible. I'm glad that you're recommitting to the podcast. 00:54:55 Speaker 4: My inactive, defunct podcast I'm promoting. 00:54:59 Speaker 3: But it's nice to get a thing that's finished. You know that. Yes, you listen to the whole thing and it's over. 00:55:04 Speaker 4: It's done. You're not trapped in a don't worry. They didn't want us to do more. 00:55:10 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, my listeners are in a lifelong contract. I'm never going to stop. You have to listen to thousands of episodes. We're in it together until I die. So kill me or keep listening. I'm just begging to be injured. What's wrong with me? This is how we play Gift for a Curse. I'm gonna name three things. You're gonna tell me if they are a gift or a curse and why mm hmm, And then I'll tell you if you're right or wrong, because there are correct answers. 00:55:36 Speaker 4: All right, I like this? 00:55:37 Speaker 3: Okay, So the first one here, this is a listener suggestion from somebody named Hans. Gift or a curse. Cell Phone towers that look like trees. Are you familiar with these things? 00:55:48 Speaker 4: Yes? I am. I need to know a little bit more. Okay, So these would it injure the birds if they land on them? 00:55:55 Speaker 3: Ooh, I'm not the one with the science podcast. 00:55:58 Speaker 4: As long as it's not injurious to birds, then I think it's a gift because it's improving the vista for all of us, and they seem necessary. We need them. Okay, sure, unless we're gonna somehow go to underground cell phone towers. But I don't know a lot about science. But doesn't seem like that's gonna work, so we have to have them. I'd rather look at what I think is a tree than a cell phone tower. And as long as it's not hurting birds and they can land on it, I'm alright with it. 00:56:31 Speaker 3: Oh gilli, and I hate to hear it it's a curse. Oh okay, Well, first of all, what a pessimistic view of technology that we may never have cell phone towers underground. Okay, give it to science, give it to the let's let's we've got to hope. 00:56:46 Speaker 4: This is why my podcast was canceled. I can only see what's in front of me and currently possible. 00:56:51 Speaker 3: We got to get these things underground, right, Okay, I think these things, I mean, of course they're hideous. Yeah, they do not look like trees. They look like cell phone towers. Okay, And if we're gonna dress these things up, why not go crazy with it? We all know it's not a true Okay, what are some other things that could be? A candy cane? First thought, candy canes all over wonderful? Okay, why not a cactus? I feel like that would actually be easier than a tree. 00:57:18 Speaker 4: How many cacti have you seen there? As tall as a tree. 00:57:21 Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing i'd like to okay. 00:57:22 Speaker 4: All right, okay, so more we're going into more fanciful, Yeah, a more fanciful world. 00:57:28 Speaker 3: The opportunities there, all right, You're right, they could be I mean, they could be almost anything. It could be a giant, abominable snowman. It's so wasteful, and so I mean, whoever is in charge of this should be fired and I should be hired. 00:57:42 Speaker 4: All right, I like looking for work. Okay. 00:57:45 Speaker 3: Curse, absolute, curse. 00:57:47 Speaker 4: I'm wrong. 00:57:49 Speaker 3: I'm at least glad you're willing to accept that. 00:57:52 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 00:57:53 Speaker 3: Okay, So zero, so far, I hate to hear it. Number two, this is from somebody named Ali Gift or a curse knock after trying the locked door handle in public restrooms. 00:58:04 Speaker 4: Curse, why you've already been told what you need to know. The door's not opening, and unless unless you have to go so eminently that it's going to be disastrous, and you have some way of knowing that the person is finished in there and just refusing to come out, respect that the door is locked. 00:58:24 Speaker 3: Oh gilly, I'm a gift. Why not give the person on the other side a little thrill? Oh really, just keep rattling it, rattling, rattling it. The person on the other side is trying to use the restroom, they're trying to stay calm, they're in a public place, they're in a private moment. Suddenly that it's like a horror movie. 00:58:43 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, all right, So we want to both introduce whimsy, enormous, abominable snowman's and a little bit of terror into people's lives. 00:58:51 Speaker 3: There should be a little bit of safe horror in everyone's lives, right And also it does send the message I'm ready to use the. 00:58:58 Speaker 4: Back to go, going to become everyone's. 00:59:03 Speaker 3: Problem right now, it's just your problem. 00:59:06 Speaker 4: Yes, I can make it your problem as well. 00:59:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, I see No, I see no problem with just constant, relentless rattling. 00:59:14 Speaker 4: Of the door all right, but we build more stalls. 00:59:18 Speaker 3: See and that it's also sending out a message to society. Let's all get on board. There should have been another stall, another bathroom, or you should have had two toilets in the same bathroom. 00:59:27 Speaker 4: Oh, now we're thinking. I know Meghan Trainor had two toilets installed next to each other in her home so she and her husband could go to the bathroom at the same time. 00:59:39 Speaker 3: That's right, And how do we feel about that, singer songwriter, Megan, You've. 00:59:43 Speaker 4: Already said you want two toilets in one stall, so we know how you feel. 00:59:47 Speaker 3: She's sitting there hand in hand with her husband. They're both doing whatever they need to do on the toilet. So yeah, I think it's the Trainer model. 00:59:58 Speaker 2: Right. 00:59:58 Speaker 3: Let's I'm going to get some legislation started, Megan and I will spearhead this. Megan, I'm reaching out. 01:00:06 Speaker 4: She has a podcast. 01:00:07 Speaker 3: She has a podcast. Is it about the bathroom? 01:00:10 Speaker 4: Probably they touch upon it because this is a news story that really took off, so they've probably had to address it. 01:00:15 Speaker 3: Well, okay, so maybe it came up on the podcast. 01:00:18 Speaker 4: I'm assuming it's not singularly about toilets, but this whole thing of the two toilets probably has been mentioned. 01:00:25 Speaker 3: She was probably recording from the toilet. 01:00:28 Speaker 4: The acoustics might, oh, interestingly tricky. If it's a child, I don't know. 01:00:33 Speaker 3: A dramatic Yes, she loves echo, reverb, reverb. Megan, reach out. We've got to get into this. Uh, we've got to get two toilets to each restroom. Okay, so zero out of two so far right? I mean, this is dismal, absolutely horrible. Form number three. This is from Paul. Paul has suggested gift her a curse time jumps in movies or TV shows where everyone has to a weir a wig for some reason. 01:01:02 Speaker 4: Oh, this is a curse. Why do I need to tell you how many bad wigs there are in film and television and as an actress. I am very afraid I've worn a bad wig. I don't want to do it again. On the show Transatlantic, I got to have some incredible I worked with one of the most talented hairstylists I've ever worked with in my life. I believe she could have made a wig look good, but wearing these amazingly elaborate nineteen forty hairdoos, I really did not want the audience to be going, that's a hair hat. So I've just seen so many great performances that now have the asterisk of bad wig and I don't want it. I don't want it for any of my fellow actors. I want to save them. 01:01:53 Speaker 3: You want to save them, Yes, Gillian, welcome to the losers club. You've lost the entire this is a short list. 01:02:02 Speaker 4: But I don't apologize for that last one. 01:02:06 Speaker 3: An opportunity to wear a wig is always good. There's no reason you. I mean, I applaud every time somebody's in a wig. I'm happy for it, even if it's the most distracting. When it becomes distracting, it adds to my experience. 01:02:18 Speaker 4: You like it more. 01:02:20 Speaker 3: I love it. I love thinking, well that's a wig. 01:02:22 Speaker 4: Well that's a wig. And I will say you must be happy all the time because I see mainly bad wigs. 01:02:28 Speaker 3: This is to be fair to you and to be fair to the listener who's screaming whoever the anti wig group. I think I have wig blindness. I have a really hard time. 01:02:39 Speaker 4: So you don't know what you're talking about with this one. You don't You actually don't know. Now, there are incredible wigs out there, and you know what, I'm a fool because I'm sure I've seen many a wig on camera that it's so good I didn't know it was a wig. 01:02:54 Speaker 5: Mm hmm. 01:02:54 Speaker 3: And then how that's a magic trick. 01:02:56 Speaker 4: Yes, So I just can think of several quite bad wigs I've seen which I felt like detracted from excellent. 01:03:03 Speaker 3: Performances I did. I was rewatching a TV show recently that I absolutely adore. I won't say what it is. The final episode is incredible, but there was this time there was a wig I saw that I thought, well, there's a wig. Interesting. They didn't go a little further with the budget on that wig. Yes, but nonetheless you're wrong, Okay, And we love a wig on everybody. 01:03:25 Speaker 4: I mean, as I'm saying this, yes, I do love a wig on everybody. I'm a big fan of RuPaul's Drag Race. I've seen some incredible hair artistry on that program, amazing wigs. So, yes, I'm wrong, but I'm. 01:03:41 Speaker 3: Also right you're a wig snaw. 01:03:43 Speaker 4: How about this? How about this? I want to advocate for better wigs. Okay, this is a challenge to line producers everywhere. When the hair department had comes to you and says I need this amount of money for wigs. 01:03:55 Speaker 3: You say, yes, that should always be top of the budget. 01:04:00 Speaker 4: As an actress, I think it should be. 01:04:01 Speaker 3: And well, actually I don't care. I mean, I'm standing by my point. I don't care how much money. Spend a dollar on the wig. I love it. 01:04:08 Speaker 4: You get what you pay for. 01:04:09 Speaker 3: Throw somebody in the worst wig you can find that hair can be falling out of it during a performance. I don't care. 01:04:16 Speaker 4: All right, let's see what we do to you. I've already contended with frogs and birds and a number of things. I don't want to contend with a wig so bad. No one can listen to what I'm saying. 01:04:33 Speaker 3: Hold for Bridger's wig falling apart. I look forward to the day I challenge anyone to put me in a bad wig. I've lived through worse. This is the final segment of the podcast. 01:04:45 Speaker 4: I'm ready. 01:04:46 Speaker 3: It's called I said no emails people write into I said, no gifts to you. My life is a living hell, good. 01:04:53 Speaker 4: Horrible to the neighbor's gardener starts up again. 01:04:57 Speaker 3: Not a moment of peace. 01:04:58 Speaker 4: No, I'm so sorry. 01:05:00 Speaker 3: It's agony, pure and sheer agony, and the only people with worse lives than mine are my listeners. They all have a problem, they all have to write in about it. They're all for help. Will you help me answer a question? 01:05:12 Speaker 4: Absolutely? 01:05:14 Speaker 3: Apparently I'll be wrong, but we'll see. Well. I believe in you, I believe in us. Thank you. 01:05:19 Speaker 4: This is you believe in yourself. 01:05:22 Speaker 3: I'm looking at myself in a mirror. Now I'm talking to myself in a mirror. This is hello, dearest Bridger and insert guests name. Okay, So, Gillian Jacobs, I'm turning thirty this year and I never feel comfortable asking people for gifts because I truly feel their company is enough. That's very sweet. However, one of my friends hinted at having a quote huge unquote gift for me that I would quote remember forever quote I'm scared being autistic and hating surprises. This caused me to freak out until last week I found out that she wanted to take a trip together. We met up to try and plan this trip, but dot dot she kept mentioning the price per person. This means she wants me to pay for both my plane ticket and hotel. Am I an ungrateful friend for feeling weird? About this. I never asked for an extravagant gift or trip. Can I bring this up with her without making her feel bad about this? Many things? And that's e from Sweden? He is in some hot water. 01:06:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, this does not feel like a gift to me. I think by definition, a gift doesn't require you to spend any money. Oh well, if someone's giving you a gift, sure is your expectation that you will have. 01:06:34 Speaker 3: To Suddenly I'll be in debt thousands of dollars. I mean that's up in the air for me. 01:06:40 Speaker 4: Maybe if they get you one month of a subscription and you have to maintain it. 01:06:43 Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Now that's a trap. That's more of a trap to me than a gift. 01:06:47 Speaker 4: Now, I think you just have to be honest with this person and say I would love to How about we have a local experience. 01:06:58 Speaker 3: What is that a stay a vacation? 01:07:00 Speaker 4: Yes, I'd love to do, perhaps like a day of adventures around the place where we live. Interesting, this is the amount of money I feel comfortable spending. Where can that get us? 01:07:11 Speaker 3: Right? 01:07:12 Speaker 4: But the amount of money you're proposing I'm not comfortable spending. 01:07:15 Speaker 3: Right. My real question here is we're not I don't know the E or we are clear that the trip is the gift. Little do I mean? Maybe the giver has a gift on another continent that they already spend all their money on, and now they're like, how do I get E there to show them the gift? 01:07:33 Speaker 1: You? 01:07:33 Speaker 4: I think you just have to say this is a moment of of honesty. 01:07:38 Speaker 3: I screwed up big time, or I don't think he screwed up. I'm saying the other person should say this, yes, and he should say you screwed up big time. 01:07:46 Speaker 1: Hm hmm. 01:07:47 Speaker 3: That's how it failed me as a friend. Yes, and I didn't want to go with you on a vacation before and now even less. 01:07:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I I don't know this. This is also giving me anxiety the prospect. 01:07:57 Speaker 3: Can you imagine? 01:07:58 Speaker 4: No, I don't. I don't like this for E. So I think E, maybe it's nice to say, like, do we have a common interest? Is there something we both really like doing? Can we do that together? Can we do it locally? 01:08:11 Speaker 3: Do you want to see a movie this afternoon? 01:08:12 Speaker 5: Yeah? 01:08:12 Speaker 4: We want to walk around the block. 01:08:16 Speaker 3: I feel like this is a huge crossroads for E, and I think E should just confront this person, I think, do you know, do you understand what a gift is? 01:08:24 Speaker 4: Oh? I just don't think you should let this go on for much longer. 01:08:29 Speaker 3: I think it's the end of the relationship. 01:08:30 Speaker 5: No, I'm not. 01:08:31 Speaker 4: Saying that, but I okay, it's time for a frank conversation with this friend where you say, I really don't want this what you're doing. I appreciate the sentiment, perhaps if you feel that way, E, sure, but I cannot do this. So let's come up with a plan. B. 01:08:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, just look them in the face and say what is going on? M hm. And it might be a huge help for this person because for all we know, this person is giving quote trip unquote to all of her friends and making them pay for all of these trips and losing friends left and right. 01:09:02 Speaker 4: You could also brainstorm with this friend and let's think of somebody who'd want to do this with you. So this person then gets to still do this, just not with E. 01:09:11 Speaker 3: Right. And the only other big red flag here is that the huge and remember forever about the gift sounds a little bit ominous. 01:09:22 Speaker 4: I mean, have they ever gone on a trip together previously? Because you can have a very good friend and also not be good travel companions. 01:09:29 Speaker 3: Oh you can? I mean that could be an absolute hell. 01:09:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's a separate category of friendship. That's a subset of friendship. Yes, And actually maybe somebody who's not even a very good friend might be a better travel companion fit for you. Right, So, there are there previous experiences that would lead this person to think that they and E would be good travel companions. 01:09:49 Speaker 3: Exactly. 01:09:51 Speaker 4: Let's maybe pivot this and present it to this friend. Is I'm trying to save you from a potentially unfun trip that you've built up a lot in your head. You have a lot of expectations already. But maybe we're not the best fit to travel together. Let's figure out who would be the best fit so you can have the best time of your life, and then we'll do something else locally for my birthday. 01:10:12 Speaker 3: It's perfect. 01:10:13 Speaker 4: It's perfect. 01:10:14 Speaker 3: And maybe in the meantime, you can tell me why you are uncomfortable just saying do you want to go on a trip, rather than masking it as a gift. 01:10:23 Speaker 4: Gosh, I mean, maybe this person felt a lot of pressure to come up with something significant. 01:10:27 Speaker 3: Well, they dropped the ball. 01:10:29 Speaker 4: Humans are fallible, well, right, son, We're gonna have a moment of grace that this person. I mean, sometimes it's a very difficult thing when you're giving a gift to not just think about what you would want, to really think about the other person, what do they want? As I clearly did with you, I thought, what will he an abominable snowman magnet? 01:10:53 Speaker 3: This was on my wish list. 01:10:54 Speaker 4: I know, I saw it. This is the whole premise. Actually, this is a very relevant question for you in the premise of this podcast, because you were continuously saying no gifts, and no one is listening to you. So you and E have a lot in comment. 01:11:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I I mean maybe E and I should go on a vacation or not. Maybe not, because neither of us wants to spend money on a vacation. 01:11:15 Speaker 4: Say to each other, I'm not going to make you go on a vacation. 01:11:18 Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you have a nice stay at home. Yes, that's what he deserves. I agree, And this friend should think about what they've done. We answered that question perfectly. 01:11:27 Speaker 4: Oh I finally did something. 01:11:28 Speaker 3: Well, Yes, I'm so impressed. I'm I mean, I'm shocked, I'm floored. After today, I agreed with you. 01:11:35 Speaker 4: That's why we're saying. 01:11:38 Speaker 3: Has nothing to do with perfectly answered. I now have this adorable little gift. I can put that on the fridge. 01:11:47 Speaker 4: I read some of the other gifts you've received. Mine doesn't seem like the worst. 01:11:50 Speaker 3: Oh I could. I mean, there's probably a list of at least fifty things that I need to eject from my home that I need to absolutely just burn. I'm going to find a way to give them away at some point. 01:12:01 Speaker 4: Oh, we could have a yard sale. 01:12:03 Speaker 3: I've considered a yard sale. I've considered a live show where I get them away. 01:12:07 Speaker 4: I volunteer if you'd ever have me back, I'll be on the live show. 01:12:10 Speaker 3: I've got to find a way to get because I have held on to every gift except one that was a piece of garbage. 01:12:16 Speaker 4: I went to a book signing book reading that David Sadaris did at a Barnes and Noble in New York, and he had gone to his storage unit right before and brought a bag of things from his storage unit. 01:12:29 Speaker 3: It's incredible. 01:12:30 Speaker 4: So as he signed your book, he gave you a thing from his storage Did you get anything? I did, but I no longer have it. That's the curse of moving, like every six weeks living in New York City, never actually having a lease. 01:12:41 Speaker 3: Do you remember what it was? 01:12:43 Speaker 4: I think it was like a bookmark. 01:12:44 Speaker 3: Oh that's a nice I mean, a little on the nose for David Sedaris. 01:12:48 Speaker 4: So we are so you could do something like that. 01:12:52 Speaker 3: It's not a bad idea I've got. I mean, eventually, I'm going to be crushed under an avalanche of gift and. 01:12:58 Speaker 4: Podcast live shows are all the race. 01:13:00 Speaker 3: People love to do a live show. 01:13:01 Speaker 4: People love to do a live show, and they love to Let's get call Largo right now. 01:13:07 Speaker 3: Get on over Largo, get me on the phone. That's the problem. I need the venue to come to me. Reques to do any of the work myself. I've had such a wonderful time with you here. 01:13:20 Speaker 4: I've had a fabulous time. 01:13:21 Speaker 3: I'm sorry about the lawn mowing. I'm sorry about the leaf blowing, but you paid for it. You gave the neighbor the money. 01:13:26 Speaker 4: Yes, I like to add a little element of sabotage to all my podcast appearances. 01:13:31 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here, Thank you for having me. Listener. Time to go to our listener, Candy, I'm talking to you now the podcast is over. It's over. It's over. Find something to do with your day. I trust that you'll figure it out. I love you, goodbye, I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's produced by our dear friend Annalise Nelson, and it's beautifully mixed by Leona Squilatchi. And we couldn't do it without our guest booker, Patrick Cottner. The theme song, of course, could only come from miracle worker Amy Mann. You must follow the show on Instagram at I said no gifts. I don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you get to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts the I invit? 01:14:28 Speaker 5: Did you hear? 01:14:31 Speaker 1: Funa man myself perfectly clear? But you're a guest to Ma. You gotta come to me empty And I said, no gifts. You're our presences presents enough. 01:14:50 Speaker 2: I'm already had too much stuff, So how do you dare to survey me? 01:15:01 Speaker 5: Fifteen