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Speaker 3: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Wineger. We

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Speaker 3: We should get into the podcast. I just think today's

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Speaker 3: guest is terrific. It's Gillian Jacob's Gillian. Welcome to, I said,

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy to have you here. And as you

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Speaker 4: Yes, I had to break away from my mother to

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Speaker 3: But so please, how long's your mom in town for?

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Speaker 4: She's in town forever. She's just moved to Los Angeles.

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Speaker 4: Semi regularly. She's also come and visited me on many sets,

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Speaker 4: She pitched. She pitched an alt on love once, which

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Speaker 3: I feel like we could get that into the lexicon.

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Speaker 4: Oh you're sharing a trailer.

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Speaker 3: my horrible neighbor mowing their lawn? These people are out

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Speaker 4: That could be a podcast episode. Of course, I could

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Speaker 3: There's like a skeleton of a Santa Claus still in there.

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Speaker 4: I was worried about this podcast appearance, so I thought,

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Speaker 4: And my second bit of sabotage was to.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing you can do.

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Speaker 3: How long does it take for frogs to stop talking?

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Speaker 3: Plague of frogs. Yes, okay, well the I'm not I'm

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to let it is an incredible looking bird,

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Speaker 4: But that's what people love in a podcast.

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Speaker 3: I bet there's a bird watching podcast listened. I guarantee

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Speaker 3: watching watching, Watching, Watching, five hour long episodes four birds. Okay,

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Speaker 5: Why not? Okay? Well this way, all this way.

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Speaker 3: Here we go. So as I said, it's in I

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Speaker 3: all right?

443
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,479
Speaker 4: Tissue paper?

444
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 3: We got the crinkle. Oh, and I think I brought

445
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 3: the there's something heavier.

446
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 4: Yes, that's that is the gift I wrapped, rather than

447
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 4: the tissue paper being on top.

448
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 3: This is very cute.

449
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 4: Okay, good, it's a.

450
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 3: Little magnet, a snow snow I was about to say snowman,

451
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 3: like it's the last snowman, verry snowman. Uh, let's see it,

452
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 3: says snowman from Clementine Hunter call tell me about what's happened.

453
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 3: So it's a little like almost it's is it ceramic

454
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 3: or wood snow.

455
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 4: Cyoramic snowman magnet? He kind of looks like an abominable

456
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 4: snow man?

457
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, because does it have several sets of eyes?

458
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 4: I think he's maybe got two noseholes, two eyebrows, one mouth.

459
00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 3: That's coming into clarity here, yes, but what's going on here?

460
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 4: I think I purchased this in New Orleans, perhaps while

461
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 4: filming Hot Tub Time Machine two.

462
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 3: Ooh.

463
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 4: I think I purchased this at a museum. That is

464
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 4: one of my favorite things to do when on location

465
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,239
Speaker 4: in a different city is go to the museums. And

466
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 4: I think this snowman comes from.

467
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 3: A gift shop and was probably a larger piece of

468
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 3: art within the museum or the artist.

469
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, or I don't remember, can't say I remember much.

470
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 4: I may have a Christmas ornament that is also by

471
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 4: the same artist.

472
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, this feels Christmas ornament adjacent.

473
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, like a rankin' in bass Christmas.

474
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 3: Right, character a little bit more freaky.

475
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's up to some stuff.

476
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's got some sort of thing on his

477
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 3: foot there.

478
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 4: I think that might be the artist's signature. But it

479
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 4: looks like he has little red boots on and red

480
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 4: mittens as well.

481
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 3: Right. When was the last time you made a snowman? Oh?

482
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 4: My, we have to go all the way back to

483
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 4: my childhood in Pennsylvania.

484
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 3: I think do you remember ever successfully making a snowman?

485
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: I feel like every attempt I ever made was sad.

486
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 4: It might have been paltry, but I think I did.

487
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 4: I'm sure I've made a snowman okay, and done snow angels.

488
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: Snow angels, that's an easier Yes.

489
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 4: I've had snowballs thrown at me with a rock in

490
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Speaker 4: the middle.

491
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 3: Were you injured?

492
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 4: I remember I was walking home from school and some

493
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 4: other kids in my class were throwing snowballs at me. Okay,

494
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 4: and I tattled to my teacher, which didn't endear me further. Yes,

495
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 4: I love a narc.

496
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 3: We love a rat.

497
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 4: I've worked on it. I've worked on it. It's one

498
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 4: of the things I think I've improved on. But one

499
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 4: time I didn't tattle. But I was walking home from

500
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Speaker 4: school on lunch break and a boy from my class

501
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 4: was telling me that he was going to kill me

502
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 4: my cat, and I started crying, and a teacher drove

503
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 4: by saw me crying. Okay, Did I then tell her

504
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 4: what he had just said? Yes? Okay, sure she had

505
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 4: already seen me crying, so it wasn't a full tattle.

506
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 3: Right, she saw some sort of evidence of a crime. Yes, you,

507
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 3: I think you were totally in the right here and

508
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 3: probably helped that little boy had he committed Yeah, who

509
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 3: knows where he would be now? Catracide, catricide? Yeah, yeah,

510
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 3: you've got to. I feel like you just got to

511
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: constantly rat people out. I think I support ratting people

512
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 3: out where a wire betray whoever, I think that that's

513
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 3: absolutely fine. I remember this may have been a myth

514
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 3: or a local urban legend where I grew up, but

515
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,239
Speaker 3: I was told that somebody had a snowball thrown at

516
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: their head and their eye popped out. Oh do we

517
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 3: believe that? I feel like you've got to really, how

518
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 3: could that be that's got to be shot out of

519
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 3: a machine.

520
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 4: I think that's a very good story for parents to repeat.

521
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 4: But how could that. I mean, there was the old

522
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 4: you know, put a rock inside of it to give

523
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 4: it some more heft and damage. But to pop.

524
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: An eye out, that's gonna be launched out of a

525
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: cannon or something. Yes, I can't imagine one child's arm

526
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 3: is strong enough to pop an eye out.

527
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 4: I've never contemplated the physics of that, but it seems unlikely.

528
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: Well, this is a science and tech podcast.

529
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 4: I did briefly have one of those. You did, I

530
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 4: had a STEM podcast. What happened there, Well, they canceled it,

531
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 4: but we had a great time while it lasted.

532
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: Did you look into physics?

533
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 4: We never had a physicist, you know.

534
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 3: Well there's a problem.

535
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, naturally, I'm incorrect. I think in that we

536
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 4: did talk about black holes in the nature of space

537
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 4: and time and if time travel was actually possible in

538
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 4: one episode doctor Clifford Johnson. I have to look up

539
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 4: his title, So maybe I'm wrong in that. We did

540
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 4: talk a lot about birds, though, because birds are actually dinosaurs.

541
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: I'm hearing a lot of reasons why your podcast was

542
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: canceled we talked about birds and people liked it.

543
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 4: We had an avian palaeontologist.

544
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: Oh, that's exciting. Yes, this is the relaunch.

545
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 4: Yes, periodic talks.

546
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 3: It's giving taste.

547
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I found it fascinating, but I guess

548
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 4: I was the only one.

549
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 3: What did you come to any conclusions as far as

550
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 3: time travel goes?

551
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 4: That it wouldn't happen in the way that it's been

552
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 4: portrayed in film and television, But if you did get

553
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 4: very close to a black hole, that the nature of

554
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 4: time does change, so time slows down the closer you

555
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 4: get to it. So if you were to return to Earth,

556
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 4: it would be as though many years would have passed,

557
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 4: but for you would have it would have felt like

558
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 4: a much smaller time.

559
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 3: Hud Oh, sure, sort of like a Flight of the

560
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: Navigator is kind of a classic movie with that happening.

561
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 3: The little boy flies away from Florida and comes back

562
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 3: and I think his family's dead or something.

563
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: It would be something like that.

564
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: Okay, Yes, which is haunting.

565
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: Haunting, but unlikely to happen to any of us imminently.

566
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: So right, don't stay up at night worrying about that

567
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: unless you are in training to become an astronaut.

568
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 3: Right, I don't think you're going to accidentally get too

569
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 3: close to a black hole unlikely or travel at light speed.

570
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are a lot of other things to worry about.

571
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: Oh, certainly the list goes on and on. I'd love

572
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 3: to just freak peak thele out right now and start

573
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 3: naming things to worry about. Would you rather travel forward

574
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: or backward in time?

575
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Speaker 4: I think I'd like to see dinosaurs.

576
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: Okay.

577
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 4: Another place my mother worked was the Natural History Museum.

578
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: Tell me that you took advantage of one of these

579
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: employee discounts.

580
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 4: Well, So my mother worked at the Natural History Museum

581
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 4: as well, and I was a teen docent because I'm cool.

582
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: Hand in hand with a ratting people out yep.

583
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: And so I worked at this little exhibit for children

584
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 4: that was about dinosaurs. And so I would love to

585
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 4: see dinosaurs. So if I could go back to one

586
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: of the ages of the dinosaur.

587
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 3: And I'd like to see that now as a teen docent. Yes,

588
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: are you giving tours?

589
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 4: We were stationed, okay, we were not a given free

590
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 4: reign of the museum. So we had one area and

591
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 4: I remember it was something like I had a ginko

592
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 4: tree leaf, and I would say, you know, ginko trees

593
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 4: are so old. They were around at the time of

594
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: the dinosaurs. We had a piece of uh amber with

595
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 4: like an insect frozen in the middle of it. Oh wow,

596
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 4: you could dig for fossils in one little area. So

597
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 4: we we tried to give children a sense of, you know,

598
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 4: what life was like during the many millennia the dinosaurs

599
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 4: roamed to the earth.

600
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Speaker 3: Do you feel like the other children resented you? Did

601
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: they think this no it all? Or was it like, oh,

602
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 3: she's fun and knows more. I feel like most kids.

603
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, you're getting to deep wounds. That probably resented.

604
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 4: I didn't have a lot of friends as a child,

605
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 4: so whatever I was doing wasn't working. They were throwing

606
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 4: snowballs at me, telling me they were going to kill

607
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 4: my cat.

608
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: So I feel like, but what were you doing? What

609
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: I was.

610
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: Being me, which was not great? I think there was

611
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 4: kind of yeah, oh god.

612
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: Child, you were let's look at the bright side. Here.

613
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: You were sleeping in tiny beds in department stores. You

614
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: knew things about dinosaurs and old plants. Yes, you were

615
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: best friends with teacher. Yeah, what's wrong with that? Child?

616
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 4: Is a kid? Who has a lot of friends, who

617
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: socially well adjusted and didn't need to do plays with

618
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 4: adults to find people to talk to them.

619
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Speaker 3: Every child should be like that. We need more children

620
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: that are examples like that for other children. We've got

621
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 3: to get other kids being docents at museums. Uh, Pittsburgh

622
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: has what's their famous museum is the Carnegie. Oh right,

623
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Speaker 3: I don't think i've been there. I was in Pittsburgh

624
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: for the museum. Okay, I think it was the Carnegie. Yes, yeah,

625
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 3: which is always surprising to me that it's not Carnegie,

626
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: because that's confusing.

627
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 4: It's the same man, right, But we say it correctly.

628
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: Why does everybody else say Carnegie?

629
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 4: They don't know.

630
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 3: Why didn't he speak up for himself. He had off

631
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: the moneyed well in the moment, he should have done something.

632
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 4: It was, you know, a tight of industry and shy

633
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 4: started many museums, I mean many libraries, many public libraries

634
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 4: across this country were funded by Andrew Carnegie.

635
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: When you get to that level level of wealth, I

636
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: think there's a real feeling of guilt and you're trying

637
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: to be like, well, I'm doing something. I mean, they

638
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: should all be put in prison. The sacklers, let's launch

639
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: them into space. Whatever. But this is kind of a

640
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: similar thing. Well, he wasn't getting people hooked on opioids.

641
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: Let's be honest.

642
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: And I don't think the labor practices are great.

643
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: I probably had a lot of uh people, a lot

644
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: of kids who would have rather been docents working in

645
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: factories that kind of thing.

646
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not great. So his guilt led to a

647
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: lot of museums in Pittsburgh and libraries across the country.

648
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: Right, but you were not working at the Carnegie. It

649
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 3: was such a hard word to say, Oh, that's the Naked.

650
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 4: Natural History Museum. That's where my mother Okay, when I

651
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: was really little.

652
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 3: What a resume your mom has?

653
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of I could go into all of

654
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: them if you'd like. I mean, this is what the

655
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 4: listeners are looking for. Yeah, those are the big ones, though,

656
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 4: the ones that intersected with my life really in any

657
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 4: kind of significant way.

658
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, let's talk about other people from Pittsburgh,

659
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 3: Miss Rogers. Yes, I rode the little what do we

660
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: call it's not is it the trolley that goes up

661
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: the hill?

662
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 4: The fornicular?

663
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 3: The fornicular? Yes, I think that was like my one

664
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: real positive experience in Pittsburgh outside of the wedding I

665
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: went to. That was the real highlight for me.

666
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: Yeah. I can understand that I.

667
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: Had a good time in Pittsburgh, let's be honest, but

668
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: that was like for me, the one thing I'll remember.

669
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 4: It's fun, isn't it.

670
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: It's fun. It was like ninety eight degrees and the

671
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: humidity was at a thousand, so it was not comfortable, No,

672
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: but it felt like you were in the little toy village.

673
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 4: Do you know that I once swam in the same

674
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 4: pool as mister Rogers when I was a swimmer. Yes,

675
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: So he and my father belonged to the same athletic club.

676
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: You're kidding.

677
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 4: And I used to have a lot of my birthday

678
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 4: parties there when I was a child. They had a

679
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 4: bowling alley in the basement they had a pool, and

680
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 4: so I was having a pool party with my few friends,

681
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 4: the few friends I convinced, and maybe it was just

682
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 4: the prospect of getting to swim that it got them

683
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: to agree.

684
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: That a lot of people to a birthday part.

685
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so we had rented the pool out for

686
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: an hour, and I remember when we got there, the

687
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 4: lifeguard said, I'm so sorry, but this is when mister

688
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 4: Rogers swims his laps, Oh diva, So is it all

689
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: right if he, you know, swims his We've blocked off

690
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 4: a lane for him. You can have the rest of

691
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: the pool, but mister Rogers is going to swim his

692
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 4: laps while you have your pool party. And we were

693
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: freaking outdoors, freaking out. How many people have you had

694
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 4: a who've seen mister Rogers in his swim trunks?

695
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: Very few of us have gotten to see that torso

696
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: or those thighs exclusive.

697
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 4: Yes, so that was a real treat.

698
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: How long did he swim for quite a while?

699
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 4: The man was in good shape.

700
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 3: Did you get to make noise?

701
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 4: Yes? He I think like children.

702
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: Be incredible. If this is the first time we learned

703
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 3: that this man was the queen of the swimming pool. Wow,

704
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: that's really nice.

705
00:34:59,360 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

706
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 3: So, I mean that's the ultimate birthday party for a.

707
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: Child and ultimate Pittsburgh icon of.

708
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: Course, like everything coming together in a huge way. You

709
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 3: were pulling out every stop for this birthday party, trying

710
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: to be like someone be my friend.

711
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, not enough.

712
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: Did you get to meet him briefly?

713
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 4: Yes?

714
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 3: In swim trunks are dressed swim trunks. Wow, this is incredible. Now,

715
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 3: that is really a wild experience to be there with

716
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: a shirtless mister Rogers at your birthday.

717
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 4: And my birthday. That was the present. His presence was

718
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 4: a present.

719
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 3: There you go. Of course, I imagine he was pleasant.

720
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, lovely.

721
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: Do you remember anything about the interaction.

722
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: I just remember being truly starstruck, like I don't you know,

723
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 4: he's beloved worldwide, but in Pittsburgh it is like he is.

724
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 4: Of course, you know, he is our most beloved person. Right,

725
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: so you have met him in person?

726
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 3: Was he wet or dry?

727
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 4: Both?

728
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 3: But when you met him?

729
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 4: Oh, we're going back. I mean, I just my most

730
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 4: vivid memory is I'm telling me mister Rogers would be

731
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 4: swimming and then watching him swim laps as we were

732
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 4: splashing around and doing handstance. So I don't I can't

733
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 4: give you more than that unless you want me to

734
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 4: make it up.

735
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: But I get up make it ups.

736
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 4: He just you know, he's he's just what you wrought

737
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 4: him to be.

738
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: Which is, oh, this makes me so happy. But how

739
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 3: do you focus on your birthday party when Fred Rogers

740
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 3: is just splashing around? Yes? Wow, I mean I can't

741
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: even imagine.

742
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 4: I was happy to, you know, be second seat to

743
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 4: mister Rogers. You really got to concede your birthday party,

744
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 4: of course him.

745
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: But every other parent in Pittsburgh is now furious that, like,

746
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 3: I hired a clown and oh my gosh, Gillian gets

747
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 3: mister Rogers.

748
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 4: I remember one of the only birthday parties I was

749
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 4: invited to as a child in elementary school, there was

750
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 4: a clown, and I have a very vivid memory have

751
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 4: the clown going up to my friend's grandmother and telling her,

752
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 4: you know, I'm also a stripper on the side.

753
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you got to have that side hustle.

754
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: You've got to find a way to make money.

755
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 4: The duality of man, of course.

756
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 3: The layers here, the layers at work. I wonder if

757
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 3: you got much business as a strippers. To me, that

758
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like the right approach to get new business.

759
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: But we don't know. We can't say that for sure.

760
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 3: Right, And when you're a clown, you're so covered up.

761
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 3: You approach another person, you're like, you want to see

762
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: what's happening underneath. There's a little curiosity there. Absolutely get

763
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: some of that. That's an interesting stripping idea. Actually you

764
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: are full clown. Yes, you start by very slowly removing

765
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: your face paint.

766
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 4: Does the nose remain on the entire time?

767
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 3: That's the last thing that gets taken off. But this

768
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: is like an hour's long strip where we're just like

769
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: fairly taking the makeup off. Eventually the what is this thing?

770
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 3: Like the bib No, it's rough. The ruffle, yeah, that

771
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 3: gets taken off, and the giant shoes. This is something

772
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 3: that clown should look into and a stripper should look into. Magic.

773
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 3: That is so wild.

774
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 4: I cann't believe that. He said that in an earshot

775
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 4: of me as a small child.

776
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: Right, and didn't expect to be like asked to leave

777
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: the birthday party. You know, maybe Pittsburgh is for clowns.

778
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 4: Maybe there had been a previous conversation with the grandmother

779
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 4: that I wasn't privy to.

780
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: So interesting. She's like, what else you got?

781
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what. I don't know. All I

782
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 4: know is I really remember this.

783
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 3: And there's no judgment on this clown. No, he was,

784
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 3: he's working.

785
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 4: It absolutely does every type of sources of income.

786
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course you have maybe more he could. He

787
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 3: could be peddling drugs.

788
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 4: We don't know.

789
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: We simply don't know. He could, but he's probably dead,

790
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: so we can't ask that we should assume he's dead.

791
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: If you're a proaching people at birth children's birthdays about

792
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: your stripping business, you're probably dead by now. Let's be honest.

793
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 3: You've got to separate the world's Although this was probably

794
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 3: pre internet, so it's like yellow Pages. You've got to

795
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: get the word out somehow. Absolutely, do you have a card?

796
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: That's the question, A little thing to hand to grandma?

797
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 4: Is it a two sided card?

798
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: Oh?

799
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: Interesting? Save money? See, but that's an adult's only card.

800
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 3: You can't be handing that out to kids at the birthday. Interesting, yep,

801
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: this is why your mom hired mister Rogers instead.

802
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: I don't think we could have afforded that.

803
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, I don't know. For all you know,

804
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 3: this is your mom's been that's her secret.

805
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: It wasn't mister Rogers.

806
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 3: He had long red hair. Looking back on.

807
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 4: It, see what you want to see an eyepatch.

808
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: This is not mister Rogers. Wow. Interesting, Wow, you had

809
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 3: the ultimate children's birthday party and all I got to

810
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: do ride the fornicular. Do you say fornicular or funicular.

811
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 4: As I was saying, and I felt like I wasn't

812
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 4: saying it correctly.

813
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 3: I can't picture that word in my head.

814
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 4: I know Angel's Flight downtown, Downtown, that's not its original location.

815
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 4: You know, they moved it. They moved it there. It

816
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 4: was actually like functional because you know, now you just

817
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: ride it up and down nowhere, it doesn't actually get

818
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: you anywhere. And its original location, it actually took you

819
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 4: from a higher elevation to a lower elevation.

820
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 3: How high of an elevation it must have been longer

821
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 3: downtown LA. You know that's true.

822
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 4: So I don't know where it was, but I know

823
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 4: it was moved there.

824
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, when they decided that there must have been

825
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: a fitness craze where like you're now walking up the hills.

826
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 4: Well, we used to have a lot of trolley cars

827
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 4: in Los Angeles. What a shame, I know, And so

828
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 4: I think the purpose of it was for commuters. It

829
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 4: took you from one trolley line to it. You might

830
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 4: want to do some fact checking out look a lease,

831
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 4: look into it.

832
00:40:54,080 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: Gillian has worked at a museum, has had a science podcast. No,

833
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: I've been on the Angels landing thing, and it was

834
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: a fun, novelty, but ultimately useless.

835
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 4: Yes, so the one in Pittsburgh actually has the advantage

836
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 4: of taking you somewhere.

837
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: It does take you somewhere, unless you're media. Then you

838
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 3: just get to the top and wondering, well, now I

839
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: guess I'm hot and have to go.

840
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 4: Back down Mount Washington, which is what it takes you

841
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 4: up to. There are many restaurants right along that sort

842
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: of cliff line with beautiful views of downtown, and that

843
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 4: was like the go to fancy, expensive prom, dinner, anniversary,

844
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: big life event place.

845
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 3: And like in your prom dress, do you write up

846
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: the thing to the restaurant or you take.

847
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 4: It to prom or I wouldn't know.

848
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 3: Well, welcome to Gillian's pity party. Well that's in theory

849
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: you would wear your prom dress.

850
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: Yes, because actually at the base of it there is

851
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 4: a hotel that has a ballroom, which was a frequent

852
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 4: location for school prom. So high I'm envisioning a world

853
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 4: in which maybe you get dropped off at the base,

854
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: you take the funicular fornicular to the top of Mount Washington,

855
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 4: have your dinner, ride back down, then go to the

856
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 4: hotel for your prom. Interesting, I've mapped it out for

857
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 4: some high school.

858
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: And it feels like all of these places are in

859
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: cahoots with each other, like ferrying teens to the restaurant.

860
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 3: Like all of this people are getting paybacks or what

861
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: is that? A kickback? Payback is a different thing. We

862
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 3: do love then you get payback. Interesting, that's that's where

863
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 3: that word comes from. Yeah, prom at a hotel. We

864
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: just had them in our high school gym. M. No,

865
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 3: that I'm actually along. We had dances at the high

866
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 3: school gym. The prom happened at the capitol.

867
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 4: What's that?

868
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: Like?

869
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: The capitol building?

870
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 4: What?

871
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

872
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 4: Where did you grow up?

873
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 3: Utah? Right outside of Salt Lake City?

874
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 4: Wow?

875
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: So you would go up to the capitol building and

876
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 3: dance in the rotunda? Or is it rotundra?

877
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 4: Tunda?

878
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: Now, rotundra is a different is a new thing? That's

879
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: kind of an icy landscape?

880
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 4: A tundra?

881
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: Yes, with frozen and there's a Yeah.

882
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 4: There's a capitol building on a tundra in Russia. Yeah. Wow,

883
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 4: so you went to a governmental building for your prom.

884
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: I'm wondering, now, are there some kickbacks there? That feels

885
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 3: like there's some there are some conflicts of interest.

886
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 4: But that's a very stately prom to have.

887
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, I wonder what the logic was

888
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: behind that. Maybe money was being saved. They didn't want

889
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 3: to space. It was a large open space, hard floors. Yes,

890
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: and uh, I don't know.

891
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 4: So was it like they'd have like the state Constitution

892
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 4: on display right, like got the punch bowl? Like wow, yeah,

893
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 4: I never heard of this.

894
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, And now I'm thinking I don't even know that

895
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: there was a punch bowl. I don't know that there

896
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 3: were any level of refreshments. That can't be true.

897
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 4: Well think about it, though, if you're in a governmental

898
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 4: building and there could be things of value around, maybe

899
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 4: you're say.

900
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 3: No refreshments, splashing punch.

901
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can have the dance here, but no refreshments.

902
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: No juice, mustaches, that sort of thing. The water fountain, Yeah,

903
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: I can only remember going to the water fountain. Did

904
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: you go to any high school dances?

905
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 4: I went to a few of the ones leading up

906
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 4: to prom, but not prom.

907
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: Okay, and so your performance at these other ones did

908
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: meant she cannot come to the prom?

909
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 4: I was out.

910
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: It's kind of a trial you had to go through.

911
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 4: Interesting I failed.

912
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 3: I just recently And this is burning off part of

913
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 3: the game that we usually played, but somebody listener had

914
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 3: mentioned adult prom. Have you heard of this? No, I

915
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: didn't look into it, but I guess that's a thing.

916
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 3: I guess people as adults have on at least have

917
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 3: you ever heard of this? What is it?

918
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 4: I mean the ones that I know of are more

919
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 4: like themed, like for queer people. So it's like the

920
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 4: people they did get to go with the people they

921
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 4: wanted to with, you know, the gender there actually attracted

922
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 4: relative experience. Yes, oh, I like that.

923
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I can support this.

924
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 4: I don't support straight prom though.

925
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 5: Chance.

926
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 3: Interesting, I mean prom in general. Let's just say it's

927
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 3: a bad idea. I'm kind of against prom at all.

928
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 4: I'm not up at night thinking about the fact that

929
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 4: I didn't go to mine until today. Until today, Yeah,

930
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: I'm so.

931
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: Begins your download spiral.

932
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 4: It began.

933
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 3: Hours ago, exactly minutes ago.

934
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 4: Yes, no, I mean I remember I went to giving

935
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: you a full picture of me. I went to an

936
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 4: international relations summer camp at Georgetown in high school.

937
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 3: You were every parent's dream child.

938
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 4: We played like model un you know, and had lectures

939
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 4: from Georgetown professors and lived in the dorms. And I

940
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: remember we had a dance at the end of this

941
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 4: program and for a lot of us. I'll say, this

942
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 4: is the first dance we ever gone to. And there

943
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 4: was a lot of excitement and energy you know there,

944
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 4: and no one had to be asked, you know, you

945
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 4: were freed from your you know context of your normal

946
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 4: high school. It was all of us there together. That

947
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 4: was a really fun time.

948
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah that sounds And like, what country did you represent

949
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 3: to the UN?

950
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 4: I don't think I did well enough to be like

951
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 4: on the UN Security Council list. I can't remember which

952
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 4: country it was. I just remember like a lot of

953
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 4: hours spent in a classroom with a whiteboard and us

954
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 4: trying to figure out strategy but realizing that we didn't

955
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 4: basically have any leverage.

956
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 3: But you did get to go to the dance.

957
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 4: I did get to the dance. Yeah, that was really fun.

958
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe the UN should hold a dance every year.

959
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: Maybe that could help problem with relations. Yeah, international relations

960
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: would be completely fine if everybody got to go to

961
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: the dance. I don't know. These are just my ideas.

962
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: They're all good.

963
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 4: Get on a plane to New York, head over to

964
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 4: the US.

965
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: Storm the UN. That's another good idea for me. I

966
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 3: think good things happen when you storm a building. Yes,

967
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 3: well this all started just because we were talking about

968
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: this little snowman, which we've almost said nothing about.

969
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 4: What is there to say?

970
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 3: What is there to say?

971
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 4: Did you make a lot of snowman growing up in yours?

972
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 3: They were all bad? Okay, they were all I think.

973
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: But that's more of a commitment issue for me, where

974
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: it's just like I'm cold and wet, I've got half

975
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: a snowman, I'm done.

976
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 4: Are you a skier?

977
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: I was a skier and then a snowboarder, and now

978
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: haven't done it in years. I have actually a friend

979
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 3: gave me a snowboard that has now been sitting in

980
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 3: my garage for a year and a half. I need

981
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 3: to get the bindings attached. But again, commitment follow through

982
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: is very hard for me, So that's just kind of

983
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: waiting for me. Do you do either?

984
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: No?

985
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: Have you ever done either?

986
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 4: No?

987
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: Interesting? Which you know? I mean from your answer, it

988
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: doesn't seem like there's any interest.

989
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 4: Here's another childhood story. My father got me ski lessons

990
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 4: when I was a very small child. I say, let's

991
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 4: say like six or seven years old. Okay, he goes

992
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 4: off to ski for an hour, he comes back. He

993
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 4: asked the teacher, so how she do and the teacher

994
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 4: said she refused to move, and she said it was

995
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 4: too dangerous. Why would she want to learn how.

996
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 3: To do that?

997
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 4: So I utterly refused my one and only ski lesson

998
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 4: as a child.

999
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 3: I mean, but probably saved your life. I think you

1000
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: knew better.

1001
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 4: I think it's quite sensible. I mean, I did not

1002
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 4: want to slide down a mountain covered in snow and ice.

1003
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 3: No, no worry about it. Not in Pennsylvania.

1004
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 4: Not in Pennsylvania.

1005
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 3: It's not famous snow, not at all.

1006
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's an older mountain range as well,

1007
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 4: compared to the Western United States.

1008
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 3: You've got these cool new mountain ranges. You grew up

1009
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 3: around the trendy yeah in ranges.

1010
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1011
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 3: I skied as a kid and then snowboarded. It's so dangerous.

1012
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 3: I think the skiing became scary to me when Tony

1013
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 3: Danza broke his back. Do you remember this.

1014
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 4: I don't remember this.

1015
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 3: I think nineteen ninety three. This had a huge imprint

1016
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 3: on me. Tony Danza utah skiing down, flying down the mountain,

1017
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: runs into a tree. H I wonder if he ever skied.

1018
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 4: After these are all the things I was thinking about

1019
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 4: as a child.

1020
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 3: It's very scary. Yeah, you're going very.

1021
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 4: Fast, like both feet on the ground. Oh sedentary? Please?

1022
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 3: And if that can happen to Tony Danz, I can happen

1023
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: to anyone truly. Well maybe it's maybe it's down the

1024
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 3: road for you.

1025
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 4: I think not. I think not.

1026
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 3: What's the most dangerous thing you do? That's the most

1027
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: exciting thing you do?

1028
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 4: I mean I think it would be driving in Los Angeles?

1029
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: Do you drive on the freeways? Oh?

1030
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: You do?

1031
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 3: You came on the freeway here?

1032
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 5: Yes?

1033
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: Yes, I barely drive on the freeway. Really. I get

1034
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 3: on Google Maps and I type avoid highways.

1035
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 4: Have you had a negative experience on one where it's.

1036
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: Just my own personal driving? Oh? As a driver?

1037
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: Thank you?

1038
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 4: Then I as a as a driver in Los Angeles County,

1039
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 4: I say thank you.

1040
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 3: Then. Yeah, I've got to stay off the freeways at

1041
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 3: all costs. Okay, I try I on occasion you have to.

1042
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 4: Yes. So do you limit yourself mainly to this general neighborhood?

1043
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm all over town.

1044
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 4: I'm just something a strong time to get there.

1045
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: It's usually ten to fifteen minutes longer yes, but look,

1046
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 3: I like listening to music.

1047
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 4: Your own podcast.

1048
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 3: I just have my podcast. I just think, let's get

1049
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: the sound of my own voice, high volume.

1050
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 4: I know, I don't want me guide me.

1051
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: Me listening to my own podcast on the freeway would

1052
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: be immediate death. I would steer off the road. It

1053
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 3: would be the end for me. No, I don't mind

1054
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 3: spending time in the car, So I'm like, let's get on,

1055
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: let's go thirty miles an hour. But you're dangerously driving,

1056
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 3: You're reckless. Let's just be honest.

1057
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 4: I didn't say I was reckless. I just think it's

1058
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 4: you know, it's exciting. It's probably the thing I do

1059
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 4: that has the highest likelihood of, you know, something going wrong.

1060
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 5: Right.

1061
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: And there's that one part where you pass through downtown

1062
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 3: where they're in fourteen freeways, so many, and you have

1063
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 3: to be from one lane to another in a split second.

1064
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 4: That's frightening. I just end up getting on the wrong one,

1065
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 4: exiting turning around at a certain point. You can't merge

1066
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 4: that many.

1067
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 3: It's a given you will just be on the wrong

1068
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: freeway for a little while and you'll have to correct.

1069
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 4: I'm at peace with that.

1070
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, it's much better than putting your life

1071
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 3: in jeopard.

1072
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, zooming across six lanes.

1073
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: Is there anything you exciting you do that you enjoy?

1074
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 4: No, I told you I got you this gift. I

1075
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 4: was going solo to museums. I mean that is my

1076
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 4: favorite thing to do when you know, when in a

1077
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 4: new place. I like to go to as many museums

1078
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 4: as possible. Have I not told you enough already?

1079
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 3: You've got to spice it up. This is now, this

1080
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: is my new goal. I'm going to write the movie

1081
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 3: about the abandoned series. Okay, but you're going to star

1082
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 3: in and have to uh fall from the sky into

1083
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 3: drop from the sky into the sears.

1084
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 4: I have been on bires in a scene I did one.

1085
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 4: I did a movie Magic Camp, where I played a

1086
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 4: magician and I had to make an entrance onto a

1087
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 4: stage that involved me being on wires and seeming to

1088
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 4: fly float down onto the stage. So I doesn't want

1089
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 4: or you know, I was shockingly cool about it, given

1090
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 4: how afraid I am of everything. I was alright with

1091
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 4: that seemed like, yeah, a small thing to do.

1092
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: Because it was like a good time with professionals.

1093
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 4: Yes, my new podcast, A good Time with Professionals not

1094
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 4: a bad idea, better than my science podcasts, A certainly

1095
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 4: kind of at risk. Yeah good, Yeah, so I've been

1096
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,919
Speaker 4: on wires for that. That was alright. I didn't mind

1097
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 4: that so much. When I was a child, I did

1098
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 4: this play and I remember the director saying to me,

1099
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 4: as an actor, never do anything that the director won't

1100
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 4: demonstrate for you themselves.

1101
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: Oh interesting.

1102
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 4: So I've tried to keep that mantra in mind. Show

1103
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 4: me you want me to do?

1104
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 3: What that's so smart? Show me that's the opposite of

1105
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise. Mm hmmm, it's very interesting. That's like, if

1106
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 3: somebody offers you food, it's like, I want to see

1107
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 3: you try it. Yes, maybe it's gross, Maybe it's poisoned,

1108
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 3: could be, could be both.

1109
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 4: Both things have happened in the history of the world.

1110
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: Imagine biting into a gross piece of food that then

1111
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 3: is poisonous. What a waste?

1112
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 4: What a waste? You should disguise the poison. It's You're

1113
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 4: not a very good poisoner if you've made the food gross.

1114
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 3: And a horrible chef. M hm, take some lessons before

1115
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 3: you try to kill me.

1116
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 4: Exactly.

1117
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 3: That's all I want, just a little bit of professionalism

1118
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 3: and an assassination tease. Wonderful. Well, I think we should

1119
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 3: play a game. Okay, let's we're gonna I'm trying to

1120
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 3: commit to playing every other game in this podcast, every

1121
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 3: other episode because I've a failure. So we're gonna play

1122
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 3: gift or a curse.

1123
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 4: Okay.

1124
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 3: I need a number between one and ten from you.

1125
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 4: Three.

1126
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,479
Speaker 3: Okay, I have to do some light calculating. I'm gonna

1127
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 3: get the game pieces. Blah blah blah. You have the mic.

1128
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,399
Speaker 3: You can promote, recommend insults, do whatever you want.

1129
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 4: Despite comments made previously on this podcast, I think my

1130
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 4: science podcast was an enjoyable listen. We worked quite hard

1131
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 4: on it. There's two seasons of episodes if you'd care

1132
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 4: to listen. It's called Periodic Talks. We had a whole

1133
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 4: We had astronauts, we had avan paleontologists. As I said,

1134
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 4: we had volcanologists. We talk to people who study whales.

1135
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 4: All right, don't be dissuaded. I think a curiosity about

1136
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: the world around us really improves your enjoyment of life.

1137
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 4: You look at trees with new eyes, You listen to

1138
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 4: bird songs and think dinosaurs. Check it out.

1139
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 3: Incredible. I'm glad that you're recommitting to the podcast.

1140
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 4: My inactive, defunct podcast I'm promoting.

1141
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: But it's nice to get a thing that's finished. You

1142
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 3: know that. Yes, you listen to the whole thing and

1143
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: it's over.

1144
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 4: It's done. You're not trapped in a don't worry. They

1145
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 4: didn't want us to do more.

1146
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, my listeners are in a lifelong contract. I'm never

1147
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 3: going to stop. You have to listen to thousands of episodes.

1148
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 3: We're in it together until I die. So kill me

1149
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 3: or keep listening. I'm just begging to be injured. What's

1150
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 3: wrong with me? This is how we play Gift for

1151
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 3: a Curse. I'm gonna name three things. You're gonna tell

1152
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 3: me if they are a gift or a curse and

1153
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 3: why mm hmm, And then I'll tell you if you're

1154
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 3: right or wrong, because there are correct answers.

1155
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 4: All right, I like this?

1156
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 3: Okay, So the first one here, this is a listener

1157
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 3: suggestion from somebody named Hans. Gift or a curse. Cell

1158
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 3: Phone towers that look like trees. Are you familiar with

1159
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 3: these things?

1160
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 4: Yes? I am. I need to know a little bit more. Okay,

1161
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 4: So these would it injure the birds if they land

1162
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 4: on them?

1163
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 3: Ooh, I'm not the one with the science podcast.

1164
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 4: As long as it's not injurious to birds, then I

1165
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 4: think it's a gift because it's improving the vista for

1166
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 4: all of us, and they seem necessary. We need them. Okay, sure,

1167
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 4: unless we're gonna somehow go to underground cell phone towers.

1168
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 4: But I don't know a lot about science. But doesn't

1169
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 4: seem like that's gonna work, so we have to have them.

1170
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 4: I'd rather look at what I think is a tree

1171
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 4: than a cell phone tower. And as long as it's

1172
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 4: not hurting birds and they can land on it, I'm

1173
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 4: alright with it.

1174
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 3: Oh gilli, and I hate to hear it it's a curse.

1175
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Well, first of all, what a pessimistic view

1176
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 3: of technology that we may never have cell phone towers underground. Okay,

1177
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 3: give it to science, give it to the let's let's

1178
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 3: we've got to hope.

1179
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 4: This is why my podcast was canceled. I can only

1180
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 4: see what's in front of me and currently possible.

1181
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 3: We got to get these things underground, right, Okay, I

1182
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: think these things, I mean, of course they're hideous. Yeah,

1183
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 3: they do not look like trees. They look like cell

1184
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 3: phone towers. Okay, And if we're gonna dress these things up,

1185
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 3: why not go crazy with it? We all know it's

1186
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 3: not a true Okay, what are some other things that

1187
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: could be? A candy cane? First thought, candy canes all

1188
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 3: over wonderful? Okay, why not a cactus? I feel like

1189
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: that would actually be easier than a tree.

1190
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 4: How many cacti have you seen there? As tall as

1191
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 4: a tree.

1192
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing i'd like to okay.

1193
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 4: All right, okay, so more we're going into more fanciful, Yeah,

1194
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 4: a more fanciful world.

1195
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 3: The opportunities there, all right, You're right, they could be

1196
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: I mean, they could be almost anything. It could be

1197
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 3: a giant, abominable snowman. It's so wasteful, and so I mean,

1198
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 3: whoever is in charge of this should be fired and

1199
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 3: I should be hired.

1200
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 4: All right, I like looking for work. Okay.

1201
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 3: Curse, absolute, curse.

1202
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 4: I'm wrong.

1203
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: I'm at least glad you're willing to accept that.

1204
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

1205
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 3: Okay, So zero, so far, I hate to hear it.

1206
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 3: Number two, this is from somebody named Ali Gift or

1207
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 3: a curse knock after trying the locked door handle in

1208
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 3: public restrooms.

1209
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 4: Curse, why you've already been told what you need to know.

1210
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 4: The door's not opening, and unless unless you have to

1211
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 4: go so eminently that it's going to be disastrous, and

1212
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 4: you have some way of knowing that the person is

1213
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 4: finished in there and just refusing to come out, respect

1214
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 4: that the door is locked.

1215
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 3: Oh gilly, I'm a gift. Why not give the person

1216
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 3: on the other side a little thrill? Oh really, just

1217
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 3: keep rattling it, rattling, rattling it. The person on the

1218
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 3: other side is trying to use the restroom, they're trying

1219
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 3: to stay calm, they're in a public place, they're in

1220
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 3: a private moment. Suddenly that it's like a horror movie.

1221
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, all right, So we want to both

1222
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 4: introduce whimsy, enormous, abominable snowman's and a little bit of

1223
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 4: terror into people's lives.

1224
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 3: There should be a little bit of safe horror in

1225
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 3: everyone's lives, right And also it does send the message

1226
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 3: I'm ready to use the.

1227
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 4: Back to go, going to become everyone's.

1228
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 3: Problem right now, it's just your problem.

1229
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 4: Yes, I can make it your problem as well.

1230
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see No, I see no problem with just constant,

1231
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 3: relentless rattling.

1232
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 4: Of the door all right, but we build more stalls.

1233
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 3: See and that it's also sending out a message to society.

1234
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 3: Let's all get on board. There should have been another stall,

1235
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 3: another bathroom, or you should have had two toilets in

1236
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 3: the same bathroom.

1237
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 4: Oh, now we're thinking. I know Meghan Trainor had two

1238
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 4: toilets installed next to each other in her home so

1239
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 4: she and her husband could go to the bathroom at

1240
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 4: the same time.

1241
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 3: That's right, And how do we feel about that, singer songwriter, Megan, You've.

1242
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 4: Already said you want two toilets in one stall, so

1243
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 4: we know how you feel.

1244
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 3: She's sitting there hand in hand with her husband. They're

1245
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 3: both doing whatever they need to do on the toilet.

1246
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's the Trainer model.

1247
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 2: Right.

1248
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 3: Let's I'm going to get some legislation started, Megan and

1249
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 3: I will spearhead this. Megan, I'm reaching out.

1250
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 4: She has a podcast.

1251
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 3: She has a podcast. Is it about the bathroom?

1252
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 4: Probably they touch upon it because this is a news

1253
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 4: story that really took off, so they've probably had to

1254
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 4: address it.

1255
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so maybe it came up on the podcast.

1256
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 4: I'm assuming it's not singularly about toilets, but this whole

1257
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 4: thing of the two toilets probably has been mentioned.

1258
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 3: She was probably recording from the toilet.

1259
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 4: The acoustics might, oh, interestingly tricky. If it's a child,

1260
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1261
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 3: A dramatic Yes, she loves echo, reverb, reverb. Megan, reach out.

1262
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 3: We've got to get into this. Uh, we've got to

1263
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 3: get two toilets to each restroom. Okay, so zero out

1264
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 3: of two so far right? I mean, this is dismal,

1265
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 3: absolutely horrible. Form number three. This is from Paul. Paul

1266
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 3: has suggested gift her a curse time jumps in movies

1267
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 3: or TV shows where everyone has to a weir a

1268
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 3: wig for some reason.

1269
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 4: Oh, this is a curse. Why do I need to

1270
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 4: tell you how many bad wigs there are in film

1271
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 4: and television and as an actress. I am very afraid

1272
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 4: I've worn a bad wig. I don't want to do

1273
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 4: it again. On the show Transatlantic, I got to have

1274
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 4: some incredible I worked with one of the most talented

1275
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 4: hairstylists I've ever worked with in my life. I believe

1276
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 4: she could have made a wig look good, but wearing

1277
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 4: these amazingly elaborate nineteen forty hairdoos, I really did not

1278
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 4: want the audience to be going, that's a hair hat.

1279
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 4: So I've just seen so many great performances that now

1280
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 4: have the asterisk of bad wig and I don't want it.

1281
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 4: I don't want it for any of my fellow actors.

1282
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 4: I want to save them.

1283
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 3: You want to save them, Yes, Gillian, welcome to the

1284
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 3: losers club. You've lost the entire this is a short list.

1285
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 4: But I don't apologize for that last one.

1286
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 3: An opportunity to wear a wig is always good. There's

1287
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 3: no reason you. I mean, I applaud every time somebody's

1288
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 3: in a wig. I'm happy for it, even if it's

1289
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 3: the most distracting. When it becomes distracting, it adds to

1290
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 3: my experience.

1291
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 4: You like it more.

1292
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 3: I love it. I love thinking, well that's a wig.

1293
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 4: Well that's a wig. And I will say you must

1294
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 4: be happy all the time because I see mainly bad wigs.

1295
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 3: This is to be fair to you and to be

1296
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 3: fair to the listener who's screaming whoever the anti wig group.

1297
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 3: I think I have wig blindness. I have a really

1298
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 3: hard time.

1299
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 4: So you don't know what you're talking about with this one.

1300
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 4: You don't You actually don't know. Now, there are incredible

1301
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 4: wigs out there, and you know what, I'm a fool

1302
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 4: because I'm sure I've seen many a wig on camera

1303
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 4: that it's so good I didn't know it was a wig.

1304
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

1305
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 3: And then how that's a magic trick.

1306
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 4: Yes, So I just can think of several quite bad

1307
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 4: wigs I've seen which I felt like detracted from excellent.

1308
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 3: Performances I did. I was rewatching a TV show recently

1309
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 3: that I absolutely adore. I won't say what it is.

1310
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 3: The final episode is incredible, but there was this time

1311
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 3: there was a wig I saw that I thought, well,

1312
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 3: there's a wig. Interesting. They didn't go a little further

1313
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 3: with the budget on that wig. Yes, but nonetheless you're wrong, Okay,

1314
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 3: And we love a wig on everybody.

1315
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 4: I mean, as I'm saying this, yes, I do love

1316
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 4: a wig on everybody. I'm a big fan of RuPaul's

1317
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 4: Drag Race. I've seen some incredible hair artistry on that program,

1318
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 4: amazing wigs. So, yes, I'm wrong, but I'm.

1319
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 3: Also right you're a wig snaw.

1320
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 4: How about this? How about this? I want to advocate

1321
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 4: for better wigs. Okay, this is a challenge to line

1322
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 4: producers everywhere. When the hair department had comes to you

1323
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 4: and says I need this amount of money for wigs.

1324
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 3: You say, yes, that should always be top of the budget.

1325
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 4: As an actress, I think it should be.

1326
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 3: And well, actually I don't care. I mean, I'm standing

1327
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 3: by my point. I don't care how much money. Spend

1328
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 3: a dollar on the wig. I love it.

1329
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 4: You get what you pay for.

1330
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 3: Throw somebody in the worst wig you can find that

1331
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 3: hair can be falling out of it during a performance.

1332
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 3: I don't care.

1333
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 4: All right, let's see what we do to you. I've

1334
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 4: already contended with frogs and birds and a number of things.

1335
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 4: I don't want to contend with a wig so bad.

1336
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 4: No one can listen to what I'm saying.

1337
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 3: Hold for Bridger's wig falling apart. I look forward to

1338
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 3: the day I challenge anyone to put me in a

1339
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 3: bad wig. I've lived through worse. This is the final

1340
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 3: segment of the podcast.

1341
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 4: I'm ready.

1342
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,959
Speaker 3: It's called I said no emails people write into I said,

1343
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 3: no gifts to you. My life is a living hell, good.

1344
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 4: Horrible to the neighbor's gardener starts up again.

1345
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 3: Not a moment of peace.

1346
01:04:58,880 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 4: No, I'm so sorry.

1347
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 3: It's agony, pure and sheer agony, and the only people

1348
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 3: with worse lives than mine are my listeners. They all

1349
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 3: have a problem, they all have to write in about it.

1350
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 3: They're all for help. Will you help me answer a question?

1351
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

1352
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 3: Apparently I'll be wrong, but we'll see. Well. I believe

1353
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 3: in you, I believe in us. Thank you.

1354
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 4: This is you believe in yourself.

1355
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 3: I'm looking at myself in a mirror. Now I'm talking

1356
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 3: to myself in a mirror. This is hello, dearest Bridger

1357
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 3: and insert guests name. Okay, So, Gillian Jacobs, I'm turning

1358
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 3: thirty this year and I never feel comfortable asking people

1359
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 3: for gifts because I truly feel their company is enough.

1360
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 3: That's very sweet. However, one of my friends hinted at

1361
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 3: having a quote huge unquote gift for me that I

1362
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 3: would quote remember forever quote I'm scared being autistic and

1363
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 3: hating surprises. This caused me to freak out until last

1364
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 3: week I found out that she wanted to take a

1365
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 3: trip together. We met up to try and plan this trip,

1366
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 3: but dot dot she kept mentioning the price per person.

1367
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 3: This means she wants me to pay for both my

1368
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 3: plane ticket and hotel. Am I an ungrateful friend for

1369
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 3: feeling weird? About this. I never asked for an extravagant

1370
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 3: gift or trip. Can I bring this up with her

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01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 3: without making her feel bad about this? Many things? And

1372
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 3: that's e from Sweden? He is in some hot water.

1373
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, this does not feel like a gift to me.

1374
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 4: I think by definition, a gift doesn't require you to

1375
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 4: spend any money. Oh well, if someone's giving you a gift,

1376
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 4: sure is your expectation that you will have.

1377
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 3: To Suddenly I'll be in debt thousands of dollars. I

1378
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 3: mean that's up in the air for me.

1379
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 4: Maybe if they get you one month of a subscription

1380
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 4: and you have to maintain it.

1381
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Now that's a trap. That's more of a

1382
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 3: trap to me than a gift.

1383
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 4: Now, I think you just have to be honest with

1384
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 4: this person and say I would love to How about

1385
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 4: we have a local experience.

1386
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 3: What is that a stay a vacation?

1387
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 4: Yes, I'd love to do, perhaps like a day of

1388
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 4: adventures around the place where we live. Interesting, this is

1389
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 4: the amount of money I feel comfortable spending. Where can

1390
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 4: that get us?

1391
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 3: Right?

1392
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 4: But the amount of money you're proposing I'm not comfortable spending.

1393
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 3: Right. My real question here is we're not I don't

1394
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 3: know the E or we are clear that the trip

1395
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 3: is the gift. Little do I mean? Maybe the giver

1396
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 3: has a gift on another continent that they already spend

1397
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 3: all their money on, and now they're like, how do

1398
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 3: I get E there to show them the gift?

1399
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: You?

1400
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 4: I think you just have to say this is a

1401
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 4: moment of of honesty.

1402
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 3: I screwed up big time, or I don't think he

1403
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 3: screwed up. I'm saying the other person should say this, yes,

1404
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 3: and he should say you screwed up big time.

1405
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: Hm hmm.

1406
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: That's how it failed me as a friend. Yes, and

1407
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 3: I didn't want to go with you on a vacation

1408
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 3: before and now even less.

1409
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I I don't know this. This is also

1410
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 4: giving me anxiety the prospect.

1411
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 3: Can you imagine?

1412
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 4: No, I don't. I don't like this for E. So

1413
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 4: I think E, maybe it's nice to say, like, do

1414
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,919
Speaker 4: we have a common interest? Is there something we both

1415
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 4: really like doing? Can we do that together? Can we

1416
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 4: do it locally?

1417
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 3: Do you want to see a movie this afternoon?

1418
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:12,919
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1419
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 4: We want to walk around the block.

1420
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 3: I feel like this is a huge crossroads for E,

1421
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 3: and I think E should just confront this person, I think,

1422
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 3: do you know, do you understand what a gift is?

1423
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 4: Oh? I just don't think you should let this go

1424
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 4: on for much longer.

1425
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 3: I think it's the end of the relationship.

1426
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 5: No, I'm not.

1427
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 4: Saying that, but I okay, it's time for a frank

1428
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 4: conversation with this friend where you say, I really don't

1429
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,839
Speaker 4: want this what you're doing. I appreciate the sentiment, perhaps

1430
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 4: if you feel that way, E, sure, but I cannot

1431
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 4: do this. So let's come up with a plan. B.

1432
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, just look them in the face and say what

1433
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 3: is going on? M hm. And it might be a

1434
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 3: huge help for this person because for all we know,

1435
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 3: this person is giving quote trip unquote to all of

1436
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 3: her friends and making them pay for all of these

1437
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 3: trips and losing friends left and right.

1438
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 4: You could also brainstorm with this friend and let's think

1439
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 4: of somebody who'd want to do this with you. So

1440
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 4: this person then gets to still do this, just not

1441
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 4: with E.

1442
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 3: Right. And the only other big red flag here is

1443
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 3: that the huge and remember forever about the gift sounds

1444
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 3: a little bit ominous.

1445
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 4: I mean, have they ever gone on a trip together previously?

1446
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,679
Speaker 4: Because you can have a very good friend and also

1447
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 4: not be good travel companions.

1448
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 3: Oh you can? I mean that could be an absolute hell.

1449
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's a separate category of friendship. That's a

1450
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 4: subset of friendship. Yes, And actually maybe somebody who's not

1451
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 4: even a very good friend might be a better travel

1452
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:44,839
Speaker 4: companion fit for you. Right, So, there are there previous

1453
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 4: experiences that would lead this person to think that they

1454
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 4: and E would be good travel companions.

1455
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:50,520
Speaker 3: Exactly.

1456
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 4: Let's maybe pivot this and present it to this friend.

1457
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 4: Is I'm trying to save you from a potentially unfun

1458
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 4: trip that you've built up a lot in your head.

1459
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 4: You have a lot of expectations already. But maybe we're

1460
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 4: not the best fit to travel together. Let's figure out

1461
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 4: who would be the best fit so you can have

1462
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 4: the best time of your life, and then we'll do

1463
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 4: something else locally for my birthday.

1464
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 3: It's perfect.

1465
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 4: It's perfect.

1466
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 3: And maybe in the meantime, you can tell me why

1467
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 3: you are uncomfortable just saying do you want to go

1468
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 3: on a trip, rather than masking it as a gift.

1469
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 4: Gosh, I mean, maybe this person felt a lot of

1470
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 4: pressure to come up with something significant.

1471
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 3: Well, they dropped the ball.

1472
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 4: Humans are fallible, well, right, son, We're gonna have a

1473
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 4: moment of grace that this person. I mean, sometimes it's

1474
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 4: a very difficult thing when you're giving a gift to

1475
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 4: not just think about what you would want, to really

1476
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 4: think about the other person, what do they want? As

1477
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,600
Speaker 4: I clearly did with you, I thought, what will he

1478
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 4: an abominable snowman magnet?

1479
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 3: This was on my wish list.

1480
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 4: I know, I saw it. This is the whole premise. Actually,

1481
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 4: this is a very relevant question for you in the

1482
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 4: premise of this podcast, because you were continuously saying no gifts,

1483
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 4: and no one is listening to you. So you and

1484
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 4: E have a lot in comment.

1485
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I I mean maybe E and I should

1486
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 3: go on a vacation or not. Maybe not, because neither

1487
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 3: of us wants to spend money on a vacation.

1488
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 4: Say to each other, I'm not going to make you

1489
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 4: go on a vacation.

1490
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you have a nice stay at home. Yes,

1491
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 3: that's what he deserves. I agree, And this friend should

1492
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 3: think about what they've done. We answered that question perfectly.

1493
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 4: Oh I finally did something.

1494
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 3: Well, Yes, I'm so impressed. I'm I mean, I'm shocked,

1495
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 3: I'm floored. After today, I agreed with you.

1496
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 4: That's why we're saying.

1497
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 3: Has nothing to do with perfectly answered. I now have

1498
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 3: this adorable little gift. I can put that on the fridge.

1499
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 4: I read some of the other gifts you've received. Mine

1500
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 4: doesn't seem like the worst.

1501
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 3: Oh I could. I mean, there's probably a list of

1502
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 3: at least fifty things that I need to eject from

1503
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 3: my home that I need to absolutely just burn. I'm

1504
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 3: going to find a way to give them away at

1505
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 3: some point.

1506
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 4: Oh, we could have a yard sale.

1507
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 3: I've considered a yard sale. I've considered a live show

1508
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 3: where I get them away.

1509
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 4: I volunteer if you'd ever have me back, I'll be

1510
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 4: on the live show.

1511
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 3: I've got to find a way to get because I

1512
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 3: have held on to every gift except one that was

1513
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 3: a piece of garbage.

1514
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 4: I went to a book signing book reading that David

1515
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 4: Sadaris did at a Barnes and Noble in New York,

1516
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,759
Speaker 4: and he had gone to his storage unit right before

1517
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 4: and brought a bag of things from his storage unit.

1518
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 3: It's incredible.

1519
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 4: So as he signed your book, he gave you a

1520
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 4: thing from his storage Did you get anything? I did,

1521
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,759
Speaker 4: but I no longer have it. That's the curse of moving,

1522
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 4: like every six weeks living in New York City, never

1523
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 4: actually having a lease.

1524
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 3: Do you remember what it was?

1525
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 4: I think it was like a bookmark.

1526
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 3: Oh that's a nice I mean, a little on the

1527
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 3: nose for David Sedaris.

1528
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 4: So we are so you could do something like that.

1529
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 3: It's not a bad idea I've got. I mean, eventually,

1530
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to be crushed under an avalanche of gift and.

1531
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 4: Podcast live shows are all the race.

1532
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 3: People love to do a live show.

1533
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 4: People love to do a live show, and they love

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Speaker 4: to Let's get call Largo right now.

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Speaker 3: Get on over Largo, get me on the phone. That's

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Speaker 3: the problem. I need the venue to come to me.

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Speaker 3: Reques to do any of the work myself. I've had

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Speaker 3: such a wonderful time with you here.

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Speaker 4: I've had a fabulous time.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry about the lawn mowing. I'm sorry about the

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Speaker 3: leaf blowing, but you paid for it. You gave the

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Speaker 3: neighbor the money.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I like to add a little element of sabotage

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Speaker 4: to all my podcast appearances.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here, Thank you for

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Speaker 3: having me. Listener. Time to go to our listener, Candy,

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Speaker 3: I'm talking to you now the podcast is over. It's over.

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Speaker 3: It's over. Find something to do with your day. I

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Speaker 3: trust that you'll figure it out. I love you, goodbye,

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Speaker 3: I said, No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's

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Speaker 3: produced by our dear friend Annalise Nelson, and it's beautifully

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Speaker 3: mixed by Leona Squilatchi. And we couldn't do it without

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Speaker 3: our guest booker, Patrick Cottner. The theme song, of course,

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Speaker 3: could only come from miracle worker Amy Mann. You must

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Speaker 3: follow the show on Instagram at I said no gifts.

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01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you

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Speaker 3: get to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting.

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Speaker 3: And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts

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Speaker 3: the I invit?

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Speaker 5: Did you hear?

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Speaker 1: Funa man myself perfectly clear? But you're a guest to Ma.

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Speaker 1: You gotta come to me empty And I said, no gifts.

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Speaker 1: You're our presences presents enough.

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Speaker 2: I'm already had too much stuff, So how do you

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Speaker 2: dare to survey me?

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Speaker 5: Fifteen