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Speaker 2: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody,

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Speaker 2: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 2: What do we have, Chris sal did we do?

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Speaker 1: There is a lot that is unfolding this week. So

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Speaker 1: first of all, very dramatic Hunter Biden plea deal hearing yesterday.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing is on the rocks. We will take

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Speaker 1: you inside all of the chaos. There also quite a dramatic,

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Speaker 1: scary moment with Mitch McConnelly seemed to freeze completely, was

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Speaker 3: Sager was on Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday for the big UFO hearing. By the way, thanks

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Speaker 1: we have additional coverage of those hearings, all the highlights today.

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Speaker 1: We've also got some legal drama involving Rudy Giuliani. He's

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Speaker 1: lying about some election workers down in Georgia. Will show

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Speaker 1: his original comments and what he is saying now. We

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Speaker 1: also have updates for you on situation involving the First

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Speaker 3: Give you what is going on there.

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Speaker 1: Happy to have Freddy de Boor joining us this morning

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Speaker 4: This was shocking. So while I was.

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Speaker 5: And they said, okay, so you're asking me to accept

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Speaker 5: And she referenced the work that Hunter Biden has done

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Speaker 5: The President of the United States has just pleaded not guilty.

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Speaker 4: This relates to the gun charge.

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Speaker 5: So as part of that agreement, effectively, what you have

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Speaker 5: And now you're putting me in the position possibly of

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Speaker 1: So there are two pieces here that are really bad

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Speaker 3: The government did.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so that's actually illegal. That's number one.

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Speaker 4: Whitehouse is paying eight hundred thousand dollars for.

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Speaker 2: This fool's paintings, as if that's somehow market value that's

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Speaker 2: in this Malibu mansion, and why does any of this matter? Look, Hunter,

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Speaker 2: I genuinely wish him best. He seems like a troubled guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I have nothing against him on a personal level.

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Speaker 2: It's only that so much of its Shenanigan's expose the

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Speaker 2: especially when he's getting all this backtacks and personal profit

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Speaker 4: Connections of the president of the United States.

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Speaker 2: That's when it becomes not only a scandal, but should

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Speaker 2: Some of it may be legal, I'm sure it is

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately, only because I think the Republicans are in

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Speaker 4: Otherwise we would never heard about it.

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Speaker 1: So there's let me, let me give you what if

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Speaker 1: Number one, she's a Trump appointed judge. Number two, this

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Speaker 1: I think it's based on what I can tell, entirely

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Speaker 1: appropriate that she's taking some time to scrutinize this deal, which,

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Speaker 1: as she put it, rather mildly, has some atypical elements

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Speaker 3: Not to mention, you know, all of.

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Speaker 1: The evidence suggestions that Joe knew a lot more about

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Speaker 3: Apparently.

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, and actually let's get to that.

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Speaker 2: As I reference the House, Republicans have been calling many

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Speaker 4: I don't know why it's taken so long. Let's put

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Speaker 2: They say Hunter Biden put then Vice President Dad Joe

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Speaker 2: While they were sitting outside at the bar, a senior

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Speaker 2: But more so, we know for a verifiable fact that

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Speaker 4: The children of the elite really are amazing. I love

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Speaker 4: they're all in business together. It's incredible.

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Speaker 3: But these people merit based.

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Speaker 2: It's very merit based, and their multi milik as if

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Speaker 2: So Devin Archer, like I said, is an unsavord character,

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Speaker 2: he does have business, he has had passes, his deals

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Speaker 2: allegations that Hunter not only introduces Ukrainian business partners to

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Speaker 2: And are the current White House denials why have they

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Speaker 2: started changing their language, right?

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Speaker 1: That's the key, That's why I really think he screwed

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Speaker 1: himself on the initial denials, which went so far as

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Speaker 1: to say I never even talked about the business deals

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Speaker 1: with Hunter, which, by the way, if that's true, like

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Speaker 1: you should have been talking to him about them, to

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Speaker 1: be like, stop doing this strop writing number one number two,

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Speaker 1: it's just hard to believe you never had a conversation

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Speaker 1: with your son about what he was up to. Come on,

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Speaker 1: and so increasingly, you know, I mean, you got this

449
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Speaker 1: guy out there who listening is not the most trustworthy,

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Speaker 1: savory character. But also he's under oath and he has

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Speaker 1: no apparent reason lie, at least no real motivation or

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Speaker 1: whatever to lie.

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Speaker 3: Saying very directly that yeah, Joe.

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Speaker 1: Was on the speakerphone he was read in on some

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Speaker 1: of these deals at the very least, so you do

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Speaker 1: have in recent weeks and months instead of them leaning

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Speaker 1: into the Joe never even talked to Hunter. Now the

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Speaker 1: message hang is well, Joe wasn't involved in the business,

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Speaker 1: which is you know a little bit of a subtle

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Speaker 1: shift there, kaream jump here was asked about exactly this

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Speaker 1: shift in messaging by reporter journalist Philip Wegman.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to how that went.

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Speaker 9: The President has previously said that he has never discussed

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Speaker 9: overseas business dealings with the son, but the White House

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Speaker 9: now says that the President has never been in business.

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Speaker 9: So why the updated language? Which statement is true or

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Speaker 9: is the semantics?

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Speaker 7: And they're both true.

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Speaker 10: As I stated on Monday, when I was asked this

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Speaker 10: question multiple times, nothing has changed, Nothing has changed on

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Speaker 10: this Nothing has changed on this, and so he asked

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Speaker 10: me a million different ways on this question.

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Speaker 8: Nothing has changed, nothing has changed, But the language has changed,

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Speaker 8: and there is you know, increasing suggestion that in fact

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Speaker 8: the initial language just a flat out lie.

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Speaker 2: Oh it is absolutely And we even have the video here.

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Speaker 2: We can show everyone from the campaign trail whenever Peter Doocey.

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Speaker 4: Fox uses. Peter Doocey was the Biden.

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Speaker 2: Campaign embed and he repeatedly pressed Biden on many of

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Speaker 2: these issues. This is also a good view into why

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Speaker 2: it's important to get people on the record early when

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Speaker 2: they are running, so years later if it does turn

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Speaker 2: out that they're lying, that you can point to it

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Speaker 2: and show this. So this is from the campaign trail

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen where Biden has confronted exactly over business dealings

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Speaker 2: with Hunter. All of this was actually known, much of

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Speaker 2: it within the public record.

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Speaker 4: Here's what Biden had to say.

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Speaker 11: I've never spoken by some love yet and so here's

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Speaker 11: what I know. I know Trump.

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Speaker 12: Deserves to be investigated.

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Speaker 13: He is violating every face the norm of a president.

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Speaker 11: You should be asking him the question, why is he

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Speaker 11: on the phone with a foreign leader trying to intimidate

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Speaker 11: a foreign leader.

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Speaker 13: If that's what happened, that's Appure's what happened. You should

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Speaker 13: be looking at Trump. Trump's doing this because he knows

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Speaker 13: I'll beat him like a drum and he's using the

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Speaker 13: abuse of power and every element of the presidency to

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Speaker 13: try to do something to smear me. Everybody looked at

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Speaker 13: this and everybody's looked at it and said, there's nothing there.

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Speaker 2: Ask the right question, Ask the right question, Grandpa Need.

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Speaker 2: That's not the right question, Chris. The right question is

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Speaker 2: not did you speak with your son business? And the

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Speaker 2: funniest thing too, he's like, you should be asking Trump.

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Speaker 2: Do you know how many times people ask Trump? You

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Speaker 2: think Trump never got to ask that question about the

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Speaker 2: Ukrainian phone call? The perfectly what do you even think

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Speaker 2: they call it the perfect phone call? Because he's been taught,

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Speaker 2: he talked about it at nauseum all throughout his impeachment.

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Speaker 4: He just didn't want to be asked. And I always think,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's a tragedy. Do see.

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Speaker 2: He really was the only one on that campaign trail

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Speaker 2: who would ever ask him a damn thing about this.

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Speaker 2: And it shows you once again why it is so

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Speaker 2: important to press people on these things, even when it's uncomfortable,

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Speaker 2: even when the media doesn't want.

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Speaker 4: You to do it.

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Speaker 2: Because he now said I never spoke to him. Now

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Speaker 2: it's always never involved. Neither of both of those are incongruent,

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Speaker 2: and it's very obvious to me that that's a flat

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Speaker 2: out lie. I also think not enough people pay enough

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Speaker 2: attention to the very first debate when Trump was going

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Speaker 2: after Hunter, Biden and they reference actually the congressional report

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Speaker 2: that came out from Senator Ron Johnson, which lists many

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Speaker 2: of the accusations against Hunter, which I've all been verified

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Speaker 2: now specifically by the IRS, but who he's getting money from.

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Speaker 2: And Biden says again that not a single one thing

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Speaker 2: in that report is true. I mean, the IRS is

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Speaker 2: suing and prosecuting Hunter the Department of Justice for the

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Speaker 2: exact business transactions that they validate inside of that report.

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Speaker 2: That's another lie, you know, from the campaign trail. It's

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Speaker 2: amazing to me the you know, the CNN, what is

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Speaker 2: the Washington Post lie tracker or whatever? Where are you

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Speaker 2: people now on this? He just disappears into the ether.

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Speaker 2: I checked the CNN guy, the fact check guy. He's

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Speaker 2: still on Trump for some reason. I mean, sure, you

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Speaker 2: know Trump is running, but dude, you've got to be

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Speaker 2: able to show like some semblance of like actual fairness

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Speaker 2: in terms of the coverage.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I just think it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the one part of Biden's ran there

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Speaker 1: that is fair is of course Box News in particular

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Speaker 1: doesn't go after Trump in that way. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: find that clip, that whole SoundBite of him. It is

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Speaker 1: like the perfect encapsulation of democratic politics and of like

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Speaker 1: Biden era politics, where it's like, yeah, I'm not great,

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Speaker 1: Yeah there might be problems there, but look at Trump.

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Speaker 3: Look at Trump, Look at Trump, Look at Trump.

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Speaker 1: That's the whole strategy. That's the whole thing right there,

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Speaker 1: and that sound by that's the whole bit. So it

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Speaker 1: is kind of amazing to watch it unfold.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean said it. He used to say

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Speaker 3: it very very clearly.

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Speaker 1: Never even spoke to Hunter about any of this, And

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Speaker 1: I just, I mean, that was a lie. I just

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Speaker 1: I just cannot believe that that is the case, and

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Speaker 1: now we have increasing evidence that it was not the case.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, there is.

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Speaker 1: Some there are some machinations going on over within the

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Speaker 1: House Republican Caucus about whether or not they want to

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Speaker 1: move forward with impeachment against Joe Biden. Of course, you

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Speaker 1: have put this up on the screen from Politico. You've

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Speaker 1: got the more you know, sort of hard right part

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Speaker 1: of the caucus very much in favor of it. You've

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Speaker 1: got a number of moderates who are in Biden districts

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Speaker 1: very uncomfortable with the idea of pushing forward with a

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Speaker 1: Biden impeachment. McCarthy is trying to sort of walk the

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Speaker 1: line right now of saying basically like, well, we might

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Speaker 1: do an investigation impeachment, investigation that's different than an actual impeachment.

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Speaker 1: So they haven't exactly put together what all this would

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Speaker 1: look like. And you know, I mean on the impeachment piece.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because the thing that they're contemplating going after

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Speaker 1: Biden on would be corruption. And there's a reason why

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Speaker 1: Democrats didn't go after Trump on the many manifest incidences

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Speaker 1: of corruption. Said they went did Russia and then you know,

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Speaker 1: appropriately I think January six, but they didn't do corruption

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Speaker 1: because they're all implicated in corruption. And so if the

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Speaker 1: Republicans actually choose to go down this road of trying

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Speaker 1: to impeach a president over actual corrupt dealings, that opens

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Speaker 1: up a whole can of worms that frankly, I would.

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Speaker 3: Be very happy to see opened up and.

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Speaker 1: Applied across the board. But I'm not sure if they

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Speaker 1: look at their own lives and their own sibling sons, daughters, cousins, brothers, aunts, whatever,

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Speaker 1: business dealings, they might feel a little bit more uncomfortable with.

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Speaker 1: So that's part of what to me is very intriguing

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Speaker 1: about this prospect of the Biden impeachment.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you, Christal, if they cell phone themselves

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Speaker 2: into making corruption an impeachable fence, go for it. And

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, let's set the historical precedent, let's get

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Speaker 2: the trial, let's get the impeachment thing going.

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Speaker 4: I'm loving it.

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Speaker 2: I think a hell of a lot more people should

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Speaker 2: be impeached. So look, they impeached Trump twice. The first one,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, was the biggest load of bs that

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Speaker 2: we have seen yet in terms of impeachment. And you know,

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Speaker 2: in particular they a lot of us said, I recall,

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Speaker 2: you know, covering it at the time is like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: you shouldn't be you know, just ripping the band aid

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Speaker 2: off for something like this because it can really come back.

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Speaker 4: So bite you.

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Speaker 2: And so again, if the Republicans, you know, want to

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Speaker 2: continue to erode the norm around impeachment, open the door then,

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Speaker 2: in the eyes of US history, to impeach people for

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Speaker 2: actual corruption and not just let some ford you know,

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Speaker 2: drama play out or you get pardoned after you leave office. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: to resign and live in a multimillion dollar mansion in California.

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Speaker 4: I'm all for it. I think it's right.

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Speaker 1: So well, the other thing I will say is, and

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Speaker 1: they even sort of acknowledge this, they don't exactly have

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Speaker 1: the goods yet on Biden in terms of THEIRS suggestions,

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Speaker 1: there's uncooperated evidence, there's this uncorroborated like intelligence report or whatever.

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Speaker 1: They need to have more of a smoking gun direct

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Speaker 1: tie in than what they have right now, I think

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Speaker 1: on Biden in order for this to work out and

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Speaker 1: for the American people to accept that this is a

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Speaker 1: sort of legitimate direction. And then the other thing, which

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Speaker 1: we've said before is like you know, with the Hunter stuff,

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Speaker 1: and if you're gonna impeach Joe, like leave the dick

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Speaker 1: picks out of it, it's it does not help your costs, right,

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Speaker 1: And this is what you see on both.

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Speaker 3: Sides of Aisle.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, they radically overreach, and then the pieces that are

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Speaker 1: actually legitimate seem like such small ball in comparison to

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Speaker 1: the wild overreaching accusations that are made that the public

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Speaker 1: then just looks at it and they're like, oh, this

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Speaker 1: is it, Like I'm this is not a big deal

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Speaker 1: to me. So after the Grand Conspira. I mean, Russia

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Speaker 1: gets a perfect example. Like we were told there were

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Speaker 1: pe tapes and all of this stuff, and that there

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Speaker 1: was some like low level sketchiness. Is all that it

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Speaker 1: amounts to, Like this is ultimately nothing based on what

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Speaker 1: we were originally sold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean people may interpret what I said as

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Speaker 2: saying that the first impeachment about the Zelenski phone call

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Speaker 2: with Trump, you know, I said it was bs Yeah,

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Speaker 2: as a matter of impeachment.

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Speaker 4: I didn't say it was a good phone call.

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Speaker 2: But like, you know, it's like you can judge things

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Speaker 2: on their marriage, and we're like, yeah, you know, I

641
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Speaker 2: don't think SIN should probably talk that way.

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Speaker 4: Do I think you should be in peace over it? Hell?

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Speaker 2: No, you know, And that's where you know, you it's

644
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Speaker 2: just so good that they trying to sign historical gravity

645
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Speaker 2: to things, and then they end up messing it up

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Speaker 2: by really focusing on the most salacious for the worst

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Speaker 2: parts of it.

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Speaker 4: And then when those end up don't becoming.

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Speaker 3: Sing outright making stuff up, rat.

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Speaker 2: Stuff making things up, and then when those don't end

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Speaker 2: up be true, and then the underlying acausey which can

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Speaker 2: be bad, you know, but there are gradations of bad.

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Speaker 2: And that's one of the actually things that we've lost

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Speaker 2: not only in media, but in political discourse as well

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Speaker 2: around how all this stuff goes down. So anyway, I

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Speaker 2: think it's interesting important. It was a crazy day absolutely

657
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Speaker 2: yesterday to watch all this full. I also got to

658
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Speaker 2: say with the media too, they had no idea how

659
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Speaker 2: to handle this, Like they would be like, you know,

660
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Speaker 2: a slight hiccup or whatever it Hunter's legal proceed I'm like,

661
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Speaker 2: it's not.

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Speaker 4: A slight hiccup. I'm like, this is crazy to see.

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Speaker 3: It's a disastrous day for him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he thought this, this was going to be

665
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Speaker 1: it for him, like this was a done and and

666
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Speaker 1: even if the you know, the judge does decide ultimately

667
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Speaker 1: to accept this plea deal, even with this atypical portions,

668
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Speaker 1: the fact that Farah is still hanging out there, that's

669
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Speaker 1: the foreign you know, unregistered agent, lobbyist, whatever of that

670
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Speaker 1: stuff that that's still hanging out there, that's a disaster.

671
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Speaker 4: Is guilty as a sin on the Farah thing.

672
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Speaker 2: There is no and if you are going to prosecute

673
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Speaker 2: man Afford and I don't even remember what the other

674
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: guy's name is. And I mean it's kind of like

675
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Speaker 2: the document's case. How can you look at that set

676
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: of facts and not prosecute the person under You have to,

677
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Speaker 2: no matter what the last name is. So if they don't,

678
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Speaker 2: it's going to be absolutely outraged.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: True.

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Speaker 1: There was another really I mean dramatic, wild, scary, frankly

682
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Speaker 1: disturbing moment that was unfolding on Capitol Hill, which is

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Speaker 1: Sara Mitch McConnell came out to give a statement to

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Speaker 1: the press. It was all going sort of according to plan,

685
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 1: and then he just freezes mid sentence, stops talking for

686
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Speaker 1: a full fifteen seconds, just total blank look on his face.

687
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Speaker 3: Let's take a look at what that looked.

688
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Speaker 12: Like a garden cooperation and a string of uh, okay.

689
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Speaker 7: Anything else you want to say? I'm sure, let's go

690
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 7: back to you. Do you want to say anything else.

691
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 5: To the press?

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00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: Come back, we'll take let's go back to so very

693
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: difficult to watch, you know, he seems to be starting

694
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Speaker 1: to slow down, He slurts his words, and then he

695
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: just stops and just stares at the camera, and then

696
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: Senator Barasso comes over. I don't know if you could

697
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: hear what he said. He said basically like Mitch, do

698
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Speaker 1: you have anything else you want to say to the

699
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Speaker 1: press or do you want to go back to your office?

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Speaker 1: And then after a pause, they sort of escort him out.

701
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Speaker 1: Now he was able to come back after that a

702
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Speaker 1: few minutes later, and understandably the press was I think

703
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Speaker 1: was CNN's Manu Rajia like, what has happened?

704
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Speaker 3: Are you okay? Let's take a listen to what he

705
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Speaker 3: had to say.

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Speaker 14: We've got Could you address what happened here at the

707
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Speaker 14: start the press conference and.

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Speaker 6: Was related to your injury from earlier this year when

709
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Speaker 6: you suffered a concussion?

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Speaker 12: Is that No, I'm fine.

711
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Speaker 11: I'm fine.

712
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Speaker 7: You're fully able to do your job.

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Speaker 1: So he says, no, I'm fine, and me Mana Raja says,

714
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Speaker 1: are you able to do your job?

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Speaker 3: He's like, yep.

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Speaker 1: So some of the context here, obviously, Mitch McConnell is

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Speaker 1: eighty one years old.

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Speaker 3: That's number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two, there's reporting now that he's apparently been using

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Speaker 1: a wheelchair quite a bit. Puts you around a wheelchair

721
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Speaker 1: quite a bit to get around the Capitol, especially in

722
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Speaker 1: crowded spaces.

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Speaker 3: Number three, he.

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Speaker 1: Suffered a concussion a while back that caused him to

725
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Speaker 1: you know, be out of the Senate for a while.

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Speaker 1: Number four, we're just learning this morning that apparently he

727
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Speaker 1: suffered another fall just recently on July fourteenth, so you know,

728
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Speaker 1: very in the past couple of weeks. He suffered a

729
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Speaker 1: fall at Reagan National Airport. So I don't know what

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Speaker 1: was going on with him health wise, And he's clearly

731
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Speaker 1: not saying. He made some joke about it later that

732
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Speaker 1: he got sandbagged in the same way that the President

733
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Speaker 1: of the United States did. He referring to when the

734
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Speaker 1: President fell on stage. But you know, falling on stage,

735
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Speaker 1: like we understood the cause and effect of what there

736
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: was a sandbag, you tripped over it. We have no

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Speaker 1: idea what's going on here. And this is an incredibly

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Speaker 1: powerful individual.

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Speaker 2: Well, don't forget Cristel. He was also hospitalized not that

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Speaker 2: long ago. It was actually in yeah, March ninth, twenty

741
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Speaker 2: twenty three, he was hospitalized for a few days after

742
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Speaker 2: a fall at Washington Hotel during a private dinner and

743
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Speaker 2: was treated for a concussion.

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Speaker 4: And you know, you and I were talking about this

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00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 4: this morning.

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Speaker 2: It's difficult to be able to cover these things and

747
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: not appear as if you're trying.

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Speaker 4: To be mean. I am not trying to be mean

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Speaker 4: in any of this.

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Speaker 2: I actually feel a tremendous amount of pain to watch

751
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: a person who is elderly, you know, on the cameras

752
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: in a job like this, freeze up like that. That

753
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: sounds not only humiliating, But if I was a relative

754
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: of his, or if this I almost look at it

755
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: like a grandfather, I'd be like, I'd be like, please

756
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: stop doing this.

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00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 4: Please.

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00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: I am begging you. I am absolutely begging you to

759
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: step down, to not put yourself through this. But and

760
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: then we have to reconcile that that's when you're a

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00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 2: private citizen. You're the most important Republican in the entire chamber.

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Speaker 2: And he pointedly ignored two major questions yesterday which reporters

763
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: asked him. They said, what happened right, and all he

764
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: says is, quote, I'm fine. Then they go did you

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Speaker 2: see a doctor? And he ignores the question and walks off.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but that's actually completely unacceptable. We cannot be

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00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 2: having sceptaginearians like this be the leaders of the Republican

768
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Speaker 2: Party in the Senate Chamber. It's really not fair to

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Speaker 2: many of the people behind him, people like John Thune,

770
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Speaker 2: who are number two in the Republican Party.

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Speaker 4: Corny.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these guys aren't spring chickens. They're like sixty,

773
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Speaker 2: but they look like it compared to him. If you

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00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: need to be, you know, rolled around in a wheelchair

775
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: in private spaces, like should you really be in a

776
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: vigorous job where you're flying back and forth between your

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00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: home state and all this?

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Speaker 4: And I think a lot of it is ego.

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00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: They just cannot handle the idea that some people do

780
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,959
Speaker 2: need to step down, some people need to retire. Last

781
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 2: time I checked, his wife is like a billionaire.

782
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: Go relax, man. I mean you've been to Kentucky.

783
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: I hear there's some nice places out there by one

784
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 2: of those crazy estates on some hill somewhere, drink bourbon

785
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: and sail off into the sun. It sounds like a

786
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 2: great you know, last couple of years of your life.

787
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: Why do you want to be doing this? And the

788
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: answer is ego and power. And that's where we as

789
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: a public have to demand that this does not become

790
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: normalized for people who are in power.

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Speaker 4: It has never been more starked.

792
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Speaker 2: I have an eighty one year old president who regularly

793
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: is tripping and can't find his word, this guy is

794
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: having a full blown medical event. And then the crazy

795
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: thing too, is, you know, do these people not care

796
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 2: about his well being? Get his ass to a doc? Yeah, immediately,

797
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: like why is he even coming? He doesn't get a

798
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: say in those type things. We're like, no, the doc

799
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: needs to come here right now because what's going on

800
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: in his mind. He's like, oh my god, I gotta

801
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: shore things up with the press. That's the least your problems.

802
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 13: Man.

803
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: You could die, right Yeah, yeah, I mean that was

804
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: the very first thing he said, is that it's basically criminal.

805
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 3: They didn't immediately take him to the hospital. I mean,

806
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: imagine this.

807
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Speaker 1: Was your mother, father, grandfather, grandmother, beloved elderly person, whoever

808
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: they are, and they just complete freeze for that long.

809
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: And the slurring of the words, it's very it's very disturbing.

810
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: And then the broader piece here is so many of

811
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: these frickin' people are so old, and you know what,

812
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: if you're able to do the job, fine, God bless you,

813
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: no problem. But the complete lack of transparency and all

814
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: the efforts to keep the public in the dark about

815
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: your actual capability of fulfilling the job. You know what

816
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: if the public has total information and they're still like,

817
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: all right, I still want this dude, you know, still

818
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: would vote for this person. Then that's one thing, But

819
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: we know the great lengths that they go to to

820
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: hide any sign of aging and decline. We just covered

821
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Speaker 1: yesterday Biden's aids having you know, he's having.

822
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Speaker 3: To take the shorter stairs on Air Force One. They're

823
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: trying to figure out all.

824
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: Kinds of ways to shield from the public the realities

825
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Speaker 1: of his age. And I think that that is incredibly wrong.

826
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Speaker 1: Dianne Feinstein obviously, you know for years she has been

827
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Speaker 1: declining mentally, and people have known it, and they have

828
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Speaker 1: hidden it from the public, and she refused to debate,

829
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Speaker 1: and you know, she's always being shepherded around and has

830
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: someone right on her elbow to be able to tell

831
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Speaker 1: her what she needs to say and even tell her you're.

832
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Speaker 3: Voting this way on this bill.

833
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Speaker 1: And still now it's gotten so bad that they can't

834
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Speaker 1: possibly cover it up. I mean another thing that we

835
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: actually paid attention to at the time, which I think

836
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: is worth noting once again in terms of since we're

837
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: having to read the tea leaves here and not get

838
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: any actual information about Mitch McConnell's health. They passed in

839
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: the Kentucky legislature back in twenty one. This is I

840
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: think around the time when you know, Mitch McConnell was

841
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: looking unwell and then he ultimately ends up being hospitalized.

842
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 3: That would change the plan.

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00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: The replacement plan if a United States Senator was to

844
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: be was to pass away an office and have to

845
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: have a replacement filled in. As it was previously, the

846
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: governor would make that replacement with the governor of Kentucky

847
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: is a Democrat, and so you know, Andy Basheer would

848
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: very likely put a Democrat in that slot if that

849
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: was to happen. So they changed the law so that

850
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: it would go to the Kentucky Legislature, which is Republican

851
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: run and domestically you know in the state at the

852
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: state level, and people who are in the know there

853
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: really thought that that was Mitch McConnell pushed this legislation

854
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: through and they really thought this was about Mitch McConnell's

855
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: declining health. So note worthy to put that out there

856
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: now that we have this latest health incident, and you

857
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: know the fact that they just stonewall, don't answer any questions,

858
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: don't provide any transparency. It's really an affronted democracy. I mean,

859
00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: at bottom, that's what it is.

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00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: No, it's and that's what I mean. It's it's it's

861
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 2: so hard because my anger. You know, I'll get these

862
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: very snarky messages from people who work let's just say,

863
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: in and around McConnell, we're like, oh, this is not fair,

864
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: it's not nice. I mean, they have the gall to

865
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: tell the press immediately after he he you know, had

866
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: a moment, he was sharp afterwards.

867
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Speaker 4: Let me just say, that's not sharp.

868
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Speaker 2: Don't bullshit me like that is where I just I'm

869
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Speaker 2: just like, just level with me, man, right.

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Speaker 4: Just let's just be real. Well, what's acknowledge reality?

871
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Speaker 3: They said he was lightheaded.

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Speaker 1: I've been light headed before, you know, get like low

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00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: iron a little light headed. It doesn't look like that. Okay,

874
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Speaker 1: it does not look like that. So stop bullshitting us, please.

875
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Speaker 4: It drives me nuts.

876
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: And the thing is is that they expect the public

877
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 2: to just sit there and absorb it. And I will

878
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: also say this, I was on Capitol Hill yesterday. There

879
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: is far too chumming a relationship between the press and

880
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: many of these these representatives. You can actually see we

881
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: don't have the clip. There was a second clip that

882
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 2: happened late last night whenever he went to them that

883
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: he got sandbagged, How are you sir?

884
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 4: And all that.

885
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: Even typically you can tell that the guy feels bad.

886
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, did you see a doctor or anything?

887
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 2: You should I mean, listen, I know this is uncomfortable.

888
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: You need to be screaming in the man's face. You'd

889
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: be like, listen, did you see a doctor or not?

890
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: Are you gonna answer the question or he's gonna keep

891
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 2: saying you're fine and get I understand it's a geriatric man.

892
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: He just suffered a help event. It's super uncomfortable, but

893
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: you have to put yourself out of that. You're the

894
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 2: only people in that position, you know. Press access to

895
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: where he was the gallery or whatever is very very

896
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: tightly controlled, and so you're the only opportunity the American

897
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: people have to actually get an answer here. Otherwise we're

898
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 2: relying on his aids on background saying he was super

899
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 2: sharp as you can see whenever he I mean, it's

900
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: just just insanity that they want you to imbibe and

901
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: to believe this stuff. But that's that's what living in

902
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: Washington is like, is that they literally your.

903
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: Face haunted gas lighting.

904
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: This party's well into the next piece we wanted to

905
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: show you, which is Fox News Digital went out and

906
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: asked a bunch of voters, Hey, do you think that

907
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: maybe if you're running for president you should have to debate?

908
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: And voters felt very strongly in the affirmative that that

909
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: should be a requirement.

910
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Speaker 3: Take a listener a little bit of that. I think

911
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 3: one hundred percent.

912
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Speaker 15: If you don't know how someone's going to speak in

913
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 15: a public setting in front of millions of people on

914
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 15: TV and with other people asking them questions, and how

915
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 15: do you know how they're going to react to when

916
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 15: they're answered questions for millions of people and they're trying

917
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 15: to talk to you know, the whole United States of America.

918
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Speaker 15: Of course, I always think so, I think you get

919
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 15: more of their point of views on things.

920
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 3: Have you got?

921
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 16: If you can't stand up for what you believe in

922
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 16: and have a debate with somebody, you're out. We need

923
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 16: to be able to hear why people have to say

924
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 16: it before they can just run to be in charge

925
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 16: of the most powerful country in the world, you know.

926
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Speaker 4: So we have a lot of influence and we need

927
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 4: someone who people can hear and be.

928
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 16: Confident of one hundred percent. You should be able to

929
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 16: defend any and every policy that you have or any

930
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 16: question about of an existing policy, in any kind of

931
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 16: a public debate where you can be asked questions that

932
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Speaker 16: are not you're not getting softball pitches. There are questions

933
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 16: that you've been told ahead of time. You need to

934
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 16: be able to clearly and accurately have the discussion about

935
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Speaker 16: policies that are affecting the entire country that you are

936
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Speaker 16: going to be the lead or rather, if you're elected.

937
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Speaker 1: Obviously voters are like, of course you should debate. And

938
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Speaker 1: I have to say, Sager, if you call yourself a

939
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Speaker 1: journalist and you aren't enraged and demanding out there just

940
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Speaker 1: on the agenda of the people demanding that Trump and

941
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: Biden subject themselves to public debates, neither.

942
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Speaker 3: One of whom is the spring chicken.

943
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: By the way, So it ties in very closely with

944
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: the Mitch McConnell discussion that we just had.

945
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: I don't know how you call yourself.

946
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: A journalist if you just accept as like appropriate political

947
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: strategy that of course they wouldn't debate.

948
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I obviously.

949
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Speaker 2: I mean it's actually probably the biggest disconnect between just

950
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: being a normal person or people who interact with normal people,

951
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,479
Speaker 2: and then the actual political class where like, of course

952
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 2: not we're not going to debate. Everyone knows and wants

953
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: and needs that moment that for politicians. I mean, I

954
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: think it's actually ingrained luckily in our historical lore. I mean,

955
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: one of the most important things that ever happened in

956
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: modern American history were the Lincoln Douglas debates. Like when

957
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: we think about these long drawn out questions that thousands

958
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: of people would come to, such that the idea Lincoln

959
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: Dougas even became its own event. I know some high

960
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: schoolers who were watching this probably part I participated in.

961
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: And it's a great format. And when you think back

962
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 2: to how important those debates were. They were actually printed

963
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: in pamphlets and they were distributed across the country and

964
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Speaker 2: millions of people at that time. Imagine you're a farmer,

965
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: you know, have a lot of access technology, entertainment, TikTok,

966
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: and all of this sudden stuff, and this comes in

967
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: the mail. You know, it's several months later and you're

968
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: reading this like, hey, this is some great arguments around

969
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 2: slavery and about the most important debates that are within

970
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Speaker 2: the country. Luckily, that's kind of carried over. I think

971
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Speaker 2: even to the most basic level if you go through

972
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Speaker 2: somewhat of a Civics education and then you look at

973
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: the current state and you're like, wait, this is this

974
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: is all I got. I mean, you know, we had

975
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: the first of all, we missed out on a debate

976
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: last time because Trump got COVID, and then even on

977
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: this one. You know, I've always loved the primary debates.

978
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 2: I believe that Obama debated some night teen times before he.

979
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 4: Got the demo. Wow, which is incredible.

980
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: Actually, I mean, hey, it put him in fighting He's

981
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 2: even said this, but I mean fighting shape for when

982
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: I had to go up against McCain. Everyone remembers his

983
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: disastrous first debate against Mitt Romney. And the reason why

984
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: is because he's an arrogant prec who've been president four years,

985
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: and it's like, turns out when you're in the bubble,

986
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: it's like, when you're in the bubble, you have no

987
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: idea what you're you know, how you really come off.

988
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 4: And then in the second debate, you could see he

989
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 4: was much more approachable.

990
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: He took the time to like sit there and engage

991
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: with you know, in terms of the audience member. Even

992
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: though Candy Crowley put the what does it put the

993
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: her finger on the scale for him, still have thought

994
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 2: about that one I see I save governor crazy crazy

995
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: crazy moment there still have I can't believe it's been

996
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: more than decade.

997
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: I know it is wold. You know I was. I

998
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: was singing on too.

999
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: It can seem like, oh, it's just sort of like

1000
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: entertainment these debates, you know, And I mean we do

1001
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: enjoy them in a sense like entertainment because we're weirdos

1002
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: and dorks. But it also does actually matter to get

1003
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: these people on the record. I mean, what do we

1004
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: show you earlier? Biden when he was on the campaign trip,

1005
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: getting pressed having to be put on the record specifically

1006
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: about Hunter Biden law and behold, that turns out to

1007
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: matter now. Biden also, I mean, the whole reason that

1008
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: he was pushed into having to say anything about student

1009
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: debt cancelation was because he was on a primary stage

1010
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: versus other opponents. It matters to get people on the record.

1011
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi getting that question about the stock trading ban

1012
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: and being really revealing how she actually thinks about things,

1013
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: which is like, oh, it's just free market people should

1014
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: be able to participate. It matters getting people on the record,

1015
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: and as we have these super old men who are

1016
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: running for president and probably going to be the Republican

1017
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 1: and Democratic nominee, it also really matters to be able

1018
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: to see in some sort of a test of whether

1019
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: they're up to the rigors of the office as a

1020
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: piece of information to evaluate with all of the other

1021
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: pieces of information that exists. These things really do matter.

1022
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: So it is it is absolutely atrocious and such a

1023
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: sign of just utter decline in the country. That is

1024
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: very likely the two top contenders do not debate in

1025
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: their primaries, don't feel that they have to go out

1026
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: there and actually prove themselves to the American people. It

1027
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: is such an incredibly sad.

1028
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 3: State of effects.

1029
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: I would also disagree with the idea that debates are

1030
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: just for nerds. I mean some of the you know,

1031
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: the seventeenth primary debate. Yeah, but you know, I just

1032
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 2: looked at this up. Eighty four million people watched Trump

1033
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: and Hillary debate, Yeah, the first of it.

1034
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: And that's a major cultural event. People like Barbie right there.

1035
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's wild.

1036
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: That is half the US adult population, you know, and

1037
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,959
Speaker 2: you think also about the first twenty sixteen campaign debate

1038
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 2: that Trump participated in it. I mean, I'll never forget

1039
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: only Rosio.

1040
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 4: I literally will.

1041
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: Never forget that moment. I think politics changed a why

1042
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: day that he took that stage. I am thinking also

1043
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: there are a lot of debate moments, you know that

1044
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: still resonate rate And after the Prey said that, you know,

1045
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: actually that presses Trump in a lot of ways when

1046
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: we attack John King.

1047
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 4: And the media, I remember that one as well.

1048
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: The moments we just talked about Candy Crowley, you know,

1049
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: the all of these different things that we can think

1050
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: about Americans.

1051
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,959
Speaker 4: Regular Americans do pay attention. You know, of the.

1052
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: Top twenty most viewed live events in twenty twenty two,

1053
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: only one of them was political. Nineteen others were sports.

1054
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: But it was the State of the Union. And by

1055
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,479
Speaker 2: the way, that Say of the Union was boring as hell,

1056
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: but forty.

1057
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 4: Two million people watched it.

1058
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: So I think we should put more faith in people

1059
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 2: that if you do give them a reason, they will

1060
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 2: show up.

1061
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 4: You know, Americans are interested.

1062
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: They're not all like you know, we have this thing

1063
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: about how like, oh, everyone's checked out, and some of

1064
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: that is true.

1065
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 4: To a certain extent.

1066
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: But when you give people the opportunity, they do show

1067
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: up to watch, they at least tune in for a

1068
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: little bit to try and figure out what's going on.

1069
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: So anyway, I think people should get that opportunity. I

1070
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: think it's important for the for the republic. As people

1071
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: often say, all right, let's go to the next part here. Wow,

1072
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: big day yesterday had to hold it all in. This

1073
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: was the super Bowl. We had the UFO hearings that

1074
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 2: happened on Congress. I was there live in person on

1075
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: Capitol Hill. It was absolutely electric energy. I talked to

1076
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: some of the press people who were involved. They said

1077
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: they had rarely seen so many people who were interested.

1078
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: There were hundreds of people lined up outside, many of

1079
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: them breaking points fans. Shout out to all of you

1080
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: who I got to talk to a little bit yesterday.

1081
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: I think we should take this opportunity to just go

1082
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: through some of the most important events that happened during

1083
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: the hearing, if you're interested. Jeremy Corbell and I did

1084
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: a live reaction right outside of the Capitol that I

1085
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: referenced earlier in our show that's available currently on our

1086
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: YouTube channel. But to me, this moment's going to stick

1087
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: out above everything. It's what all the news outlets picked up.

1088
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 4: Backstory.

1089
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 2: I was sitting at the press table with all the

1090
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: other reporters, and when Dave Grush said the words nonhuman biologics,

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Speaker 2: there was an audible gasp, not only at the press

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00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 2: table but throughout the entire room. The energy was just

1093
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 2: absolutely insane. Here's the moment that I'm talking about. Let's

1094
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: take a listen.

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00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 6: If you believe we have crashed craft stated earlier, do

1096
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 6: we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?

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00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 6: As I've stated publicly already in my News Nation interview,

1098
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 6: biologics came with some of these recoveries.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, were they I guess human or non human?

1100
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 4: Biologics?

1101
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 6: Non human? And that was the assessment of people which

1102
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 6: recknowledge on the program I talk to that are currently

1103
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 6: still on the program.

1104
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Speaker 2: So that's probably the biggest thing that came out of

1105
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 2: that crystal non human biologics. Now, okay, let's try and

1106
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 2: steal man the case, because I think that's always fun.

1107
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: That could mean anything, right, That could mean a rat,

1108
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: that could mean a dog. But it was clearly implied

1109
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: in the way that Dave Grush stated that that as

1110
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: the UFO whistleblower, testifying under oath under penalty of perjury,

1111
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: having represented all of this not only to news nation,

1112
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: but also entering it into the congressional record and also

1113
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: going through the whistleblower process, to say that we have

1114
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 2: recovered alien craft here used to say the word alien,

1115
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: but or extraterrestrial.

1116
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 4: He just says a non human origin.

1117
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: That these not only crash there, not only was a

1118
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: crash retrievement program, but that quote biologics were recovered then

1119
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 2: at the time. I mean, that's just one of the

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00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: most stunning things that you really could say under oath

1121
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: before Congress in the UFO context. Obviously salacious, it has

1122
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 2: a little bit of the gegal factor, it has a

1123
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: little bit of the movie factor, and seems so unbelievable,

1124
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: And of course, you know, extraordinary claims do also require

1125
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: extraordinary evidence. But I'm curious what you made of that,

1126
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: or if any questions or anything.

1127
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just wild to watch members of

1128
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: Congress seriously asking these questions.

1129
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: I mean, that was wild to see.

1130
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: It is a remarkable development that this is being treated

1131
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: with the gravity that it is at this point, and

1132
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: I think obviously the turning point was when some of

1133
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: these videos were released. It just became undeniable, and Congress

1134
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: has clearly become increasingly frustrated at the stone walling that

1135
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 1: they feel like they are getting.

1136
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: I mean, one.

1137
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: Question I have for you, Sagre, maybe you can just

1138
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: set the context for people, is you know, he's making

1139
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: lots of allegations he wasn't directly involved in the program.

1140
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 1: This is based on what he's been told from people

1141
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: that are involved in the program.

1142
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 3: Well, why won't any.

1143
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: Of those people required to testify to be there so

1144
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: that we could have something more direct than secondhand testimony?

1145
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 4: Excellent question.

1146
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, is a full blown cover up going on so

1147
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: effectively Dave Grush, as I said, is he will go

1148
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: to jail if he violates the terms of his disclosure

1149
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 2: agreements with the Department of Defense where he is going

1150
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: through the formal whistleblower process. So he will be prosecuted

1151
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: if he reveals any classified information. So they repeatedly were

1152
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: asking him exactly before you said, They're like, look are

1153
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: who are these people? He said, I cannot give you

1154
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: those names in an unclassified setting, and so they said, oh,

1155
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: so you could give this to a c classified setting.

1156
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 4: He said, I would be happy.

1157
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 2: To give you the names, the specific names of both

1158
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: hostile and non hostile direct reports. I can give you

1159
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 2: the exact locations of crash UFOs where these programs are happening,

1160
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 2: the people involved, the dates when things are removed, et cetera.

1161
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: But I can only do that inside of a secure,

1162
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: compartmentalized facility called a skiff. There are several skiffs inside

1163
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: of Congress, Congressman Tim Burchett, who I actually personally spoke

1164
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 2: to before the hearing, as well as other members Matt Gates,

1165
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 2: Anna Paulina Luna, and Jared Mosquitz, who is a Democrat.

1166
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 2: Let's be clear here, so this is a bipartisan thing.

1167
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: That were denied access to the skiffs inside of Congress

1168
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: to be able to debrief Dave Grush and to be

1169
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: provided these unclassified names. Grush repeatedly said under oath, I

1170
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: am he's like I am dying. I would love to

1171
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 2: give you all this information, the names of the people

1172
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 2: to be called.

1173
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 4: He is literally.

1174
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: Unable to give them those names outside of an actual

1175
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: interview inside of a skiff. And those members of Congress

1176
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: who are actually pushing on this issue have been denied

1177
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: skiff access. So I think it's very important for me

1178
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: to explain that that there is a lot more. You know,

1179
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, okay, well where is it. I'm like, well,

1180
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 2: he will literally break the law, and as we all know,

1181
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: like they are dying to throw him in jail. They

1182
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: want to shut this man up. They keep calling him

1183
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: a liar. And I will get to that in terms

1184
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 2: of this statement that was released here, another of the

1185
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: absolutely extraordinary allegations that was made was under questioning from

1186
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: the congressman from Missouri about whether any US personnel had

1187
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 2: been physically injured while handling a crash UFO.

1188
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 4: Here's what Dave Grush had to say.

1189
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 17: At one point, you had said that there there has

1190
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 17: been harmful activity or aggressive activity. Has any of the

1191
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 17: activity been aggressive and hostile in your reports?

1192
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 6: I know of multiple colleagues of mine that got physically injured,

1193
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 6: and uh the activity.

1194
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 17: By by UAPs or by by people within the federal government. Okay,

1195
00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 17: so there has been activity by by alien or non

1196
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 17: human technology and or beings that has caused harm to humans.

1197
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 6: I can't get into the specifics in an open environment,

1198
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 6: but at least the activity that I personally witnessed, and

1199
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 6: not to be very careful here because you don't, you know,

1200
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 6: they tell you never to acknowledge trade craft, right, So

1201
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 6: what I personally witnessed myself and my wife was very disturbing.

1202
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 4: Very disturbing. I mean, I understand why people are skeptical.

1203
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 4: I get it.

1204
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: They're like, everyone talks about game. Where's the evidence here?

1205
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 2: He's made clear he can't actually talk about this in

1206
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 2: unclassified setting. I thought it was still extraordinary to get

1207
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 2: him on the record under oath, you know, and listen.

1208
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's also important for me to say,

1209
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 2: if this man is lying, no one is going to

1210
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 2: be more upset than me because he wasted a lot

1211
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: of my time.

1212
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 4: He wasted your guys's money.

1213
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: People will pay our bills from me going down there

1214
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 2: and for getting a camera crew from investing so much

1215
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: airtime and discussion to all of this. But he ticks

1216
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: enough box is for us to consider, at least me

1217
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: to be considered this credible enough, and not just me.

1218
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the freaking House Oversight Committee here right,

1219
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 2: testifying under oath, bringing these guys in a setting where

1220
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: he could be able to actually face question. I mean

1221
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 2: face some hostile questions actually from a few people. And

1222
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: he also revealed something pretty interesting about the actual timeline. Now,

1223
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 2: remember UFO lore really begins, at least in the American context, Roswell,

1224
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: New Mexico in nineteen forty seven. But Grush actually told

1225
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 2: us that things pre date Roswell by a pretty significant portion,

1226
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: all the way to the nineteen thirties.

1227
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to what he said.

1228
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 14: There as a US government become aware of actual evidence

1229
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 14: of extra terrestro otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence, and if so,

1230
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 14: when do you think this first occurred.

1231
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 6: I like to use the term non human. I don't

1232
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 6: like to denote origin. Keeps the aperture open, both scientifically certainly,

1233
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 6: like I've discussed publicly previous nineteen.

1234
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 4: Thirties, previously nineteen thirties. So there you go. That is

1235
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 4: there's actually some extraordinary backstory.

1236
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: You and I were talking, Yeah, I mean, this is

1237
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: where I started to start to go, like, I'm definitely

1238
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: going to need some evidence because we're talking about cover

1239
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: up with the Vatican and Mussolini going back to the

1240
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty I mean, there's just listen, it's a lot

1241
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: to swallow that's the bottom line.

1242
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 3: It's a lot to swallow. You're talking about.

1243
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: US personnel who are being injured by aliens and non

1244
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: human biologics and cover ups going back to the nineteen thirties,

1245
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: and we don't have more than like a few grainy images.

1246
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: We don't have more than someone who you know secondhand

1247
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: might have heard something but can't say exactly what it

1248
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,439
Speaker 1: is in a public setting, which on the one hand

1249
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: you're like, cover up. On the other hand you're like,

1250
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: that's also very convenient. So I'm just going to need

1251
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 1: more soccer. Hopefully this is step one.

1252
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 4: We'll just say that. I think it's the beginning of something.

1253
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: And I again want to say, I want these people,

1254
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: if it's if they're lying, I want it to be

1255
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: speedily proved, to come out and just be like, this

1256
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: is bs. Everything that this man is saying is a lie.

1257
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 2: If he did lie, I want him to be prosecuted

1258
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: again for wasting my time, for wasting the entire community's time,

1259
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: for misleading people down this wild goose chase. I mean,

1260
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: that's not only a moral but illegal. Now that he's

1261
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 2: actually testified under oath and gone through the DoD process,

1262
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: so listen, I mean, we don't know fully yet whether

1263
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: everything he said or not. We know that there's some

1264
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: breadcrumbs that have been scattered in terms of where if

1265
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: they're eventually given skiff access by these members of Congress,

1266
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: and I will I got to give these people a

1267
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: lot of credit. You can say a lot about Matt Gates,

1268
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: but he does seem genuinely very interested in this topic.

1269
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 2: And part of the reason why Crystal is he shared

1270
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: a personal anecdote about how there was a UFO encounter

1271
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: at Elgin Air Force Base, of which one of his

1272
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: constituents contacted him and he was like, man, this is

1273
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: one of the craziest things that has ever happened to me.

1274
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 2: My radar went down, my fleer systems went down. I

1275
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: was able to snap a manual photo. He showed Gates

1276
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: the photo in this classified setting, the dood won't allow

1277
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: him to release the photo, and He's like, I'm sitting

1278
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: there trying to get access to a military base as

1279
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: a member of Congress with top secret clearance. He even

1280
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 2: served on the House Intelligence Committee, and the freaking United

1281
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: States military is telling me a congressman basically, screw off,

1282
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 2: We're not giving you any access He's like, that's an extraordinary,

1283
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 2: extraordinary situation for me to be in, you know, and

1284
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: these are one of my These constituents come to me

1285
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 2: in good faith because the pilot, this was a test

1286
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: pilot actually who encountered this told Gates the best thing

1287
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 2: you can do for your career is shut up and

1288
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 2: forget that this ever happened, because when you start reporting

1289
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: this stuff up the chain, they're like, hey, this is

1290
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: We're not dealing with this because they don't want to,

1291
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 2: you know, they don't want records.

1292
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, but no records, You've got nothing to turn over

1293
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 4: to Congress.

1294
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I look at it.

1295
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: On the one hand, I'm like, this is a lot

1296
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: for me to swallow, as I just said. On the

1297
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: other hand, I'm like, but then I see the photos

1298
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: and the videos, and I'm like, they don't have.

1299
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 3: Another explanation for it.

1300
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: So give us some kind of explanation for what's going

1301
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: on that passes the sniff test, and.

1302
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 3: You know, perhaps we can move.

1303
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: This comes through also a Commander David Fraver's testimony. I

1304
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Speaker 2: thought it was so important, David Fravor is the only

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Speaker 2: reason that I'm interested in UFOs. I thought it was

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00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: bs frankly, and I read twenty seventeen article and I

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01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, maybe. Then I heard FRAVERR and I

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01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: was like, man, this guy is unimpeachable. I mean, this

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01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: is the like I've said this before, he was a

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Speaker 2: commanding officer, led people into battle on an aircraft carrier,

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Speaker 2: has a verified UFO incident. I mean, he himself called

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Speaker 2: it the most credible UFO siding in history. He said

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Speaker 2: multiple times at the hearing, he said, I'm not a

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Speaker 2: UFO guy. This, by the way, is not even you know,

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Speaker 2: the craziest thing's ever happened in my life. I never

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Speaker 2: wanted to be involved in this. I never wanted to

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Speaker 2: come forward. I'm only doing so because I believe that

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Speaker 2: what I saw that day did not come from human technology.

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01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: I mean, he repeatedly referenced that a human being who

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Speaker 2: was inside the craft that he saw with his own

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01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 2: eyes would have died from.

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Speaker 4: The g forces that were inflicted and upon the way

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Speaker 4: that it moved.

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Speaker 2: And David Fraber, again a multi year you know, pilot

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Speaker 2: in charge of one hundreds of millions of dollars of aircraft, said,

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Speaker 2: on a number of basis, who's also involved, I believe

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Speaker 2: in the field, you know at this moment is like,

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Speaker 2: look from a material science perspective, this does not exist,

1329
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Speaker 2: and not only now, it doesn't exist hundred years from now,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't exist two hundred years from now in terms

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Speaker 2: of human capabilities. And then when you combine that with

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Speaker 2: what Dave Grush said in many cases that many of

1333
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Speaker 2: these UFO crashtriable programs pre date you know, our own

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01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 2: ability to fly at supersonic speed. I mean, we didn't

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Speaker 2: even break the sound bearer. I believe Chucky Aeger did

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Speaker 2: in like nineteen fifty something like that. So you know,

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Speaker 2: farn post Roswell at the very list. Some people say

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Speaker 2: that's connected anyway. I think it's important, and I just

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Speaker 2: want to end actually with the statement though that the Pentagon,

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01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 2: to be clear, is still saying that he's lying. So

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01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 2: guys see five, please let's put this up there on

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01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: the screen. This was the full readout from Susan Gough,

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01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 2: who works at the Pentagon, who gave this statement on

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01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: the who gave this statement on the testimony. She says,

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Speaker 2: to date, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office has not

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01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 2: discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims any programs regarding

1347
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 2: the possession of reverse engineering of extraterrestrials may have existed

1348
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 2: in the past or exist currently. So again, this is

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Speaker 2: actually very clear. The Pentagon says he's lying. Dave Grush says,

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Speaker 2: the Pentagon is line, let's see if you can prove

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01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: vice versa. One of those people lied with Congress. They

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Speaker 2: need to go to jail for what they did. And

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Speaker 2: I actually love that it's so binary here because eventually

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01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 2: act you can prove whether one or two of those people,

1355
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 2: or whether one of these individuals is telling the truth

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01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: or not. They've both done now so in an open setting,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, we'll see. I mean, either this is a

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Speaker 2: colossal I mean a colossal not only just like Psio,

1359
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 2: but like you know, stage and all this. I mean

1360
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Speaker 2: to have this man who literally worked in the intelligence

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Speaker 2: community come forward. It's a decorated combat veteran served in

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Speaker 2: Afghanistan Air Force cadet. So much of his military service.

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Speaker 2: He referenced in his testimony. They're like, why are you

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Speaker 2: doing this and he said he said, it's because he's

1365
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Speaker 2: like I took an oath, you know, eighteen years ago

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Speaker 2: when I became an Air Force cadet. I followed that oath.

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Speaker 2: I believe that there was a cover up going on.

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Speaker 2: I'll just end on this note. You know, he says

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Speaker 2: that he's been doing this at tremendous risk to his

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Speaker 2: own life fear of reprie.

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Speaker 4: Here's what you had to say.

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Speaker 6: It was very brutal and very unfortunate some of the

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Speaker 6: tactics they use to hurt me, both professionally and personally.

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Speaker 6: To be quite frank, yeah.

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Speaker 7: It's very unfortunate.

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Speaker 14: As they say, when you're ope the target, that's when

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Speaker 14: they do the most fire and attion. Do you have

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01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 14: any personal knowledge of people have been harmed or injured

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Speaker 14: in efforts to cover up or conceal these extraterrestrial technology.

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Speaker 6: Yes, personally.

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Speaker 14: Have you have anyone been murdered that you would think

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Speaker 14: that you know of or have heard of.

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Speaker 7: I guess I have to.

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Speaker 6: Be careful asking that question. I directed people with that

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Speaker 6: knowledge to the appropriate authorities.

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Speaker 3: In the last couple of years.

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Speaker 4: Have you had incidences that have caused you to be

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Speaker 4: in fear for your life for addressing these issues?

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Speaker 6: Yes, personally, So.

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Speaker 4: You could take that or any way that you want.

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Speaker 4: I choose to take it actually pretty seriously.

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Speaker 1: If it's real it's the biggest story in the world,

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Speaker 1: So keep pushing, guys, can't stop. Alright, let's turn to

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Speaker 1: some more terrestrial affairs here. Rudy Giuliani facing charges over defamation.

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Speaker 1: He's in broiled in a lawsuit. There overcomes that he

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Speaker 1: made about two Georgia election workers. Let's put this up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. So it's kind of an extraordinary admission

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Speaker 1: that he just made in a court filing. This is

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Speaker 1: a Forbes tweet. They say, after about a year and

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Speaker 1: a half of battling in the court room, Rudy Juliani

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Speaker 1: stated Tuesday night that he lied about two Georgia election

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Speaker 1: workers stuffing ballots committing election fraud, but did not say

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Speaker 1: that he had caused any damages to them, despite harassment

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Speaker 1: that the two had faced.

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Speaker 3: This from the New York Times report. They say that.

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Speaker 1: This concession by mister Giuliani came in court papers, and

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Speaker 1: the basically he's admitting.

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Speaker 3: That what he said about these people was.

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Speaker 1: Completely wrong, but it was a complete lie that I mean,

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Speaker 1: he smeared them and it happened multiple times, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But he's saying that he still has legal defenses because

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Speaker 1: he doesn't believe that they suffered any damages, So that

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Speaker 1: will be the major piece that they will be deciding

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01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: in this lawsuit. So just so you get a sense

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Speaker 1: of what allegations he was making about these two election

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Speaker 1: workers that led to this defamation suit. Here he is

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Speaker 1: on basically a zoom call talking about what he thinks

1418
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Speaker 1: was going.

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Speaker 3: On in Georgia with these two election workers with stgalism.

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Speaker 18: Quite obviously surreptitiously passing around USB ports as if their

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Speaker 18: vials of heroin or cocaine. I mean, it's obvious to

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Speaker 18: anyone who's a criminal investigator or prosecutor they are engaged

1423
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 18: in surreptitious illegal activity again that day, and that's a

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Speaker 18: week ago, they're still walking around Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Why so it's a bold accusation, basically comparing them to

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Speaker 1: drug dealers. It was immediately debunked. They were passing mints

1427
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: back and forth to one another, nothing more nefarious than this.

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Speaker 1: But nevertheless, he repeated it multiple times and it became

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Speaker 1: a part of the whole litany of the case that

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01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: the election was stolen. And it was also repeated and

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01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: really taken in by the President who apparently invoked one

1432
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: of these women's name eighteen times during that infamous phone

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Speaker 1: call with Brad Rathensberger, Georgia Secretary of State on jeduy second.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: That's the one where he asked for him to find

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Speaker 1: the requisite number of votes for the former president to

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Speaker 1: be able to win the state, which you know is

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Speaker 1: leading to quite a bit of legal scrutiny for.

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Speaker 3: Him as well. So, you know, I think it's important

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Speaker 3: because it just shows you what a little croc this was.

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Speaker 1: And it also shows you that many of the people

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Speaker 1: involved Soccer knew it was a croc. Yes, and we're

1443
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: happy to ruin the lives of these women in pursuit

1444
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: of foisting a lie on the American people.

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Speaker 2: I think it's actually not only criminal, I think it's

1446
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 2: disgusting because how many you know, well meaning Republicans out there,

1447
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 2: average goes. They hear Trump be like, wow, that's horrible.

1448
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 2: They hear the freaking former mayor of New York, one

1449
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:01,919
Speaker 2: of them at the time, was one of the most

1450
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 2: respected politicians in the entire country talking about people passing

1451
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 2: USB's back and forth. You know, if you're one of

1452
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 2: those people, you had no reason not to believe or

1453
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 2: at least think, wow, that's a little bit crazy. How

1454
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 2: do you know whenever he's lying, or how many peoplere

1455
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 2: gonna watch this segment seeing that he admitted that he's

1456
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: a liar.

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Speaker 4: That's why I think it's so gross.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know personally a lot of people, and

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01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 2: I've had some crazy interactions. I remember a guy uber

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01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 2: driver once he's like, do you really believe the election

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01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 2: wasn't stolen? He's like, you just seem like a guy

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Speaker 2: who would believe it. And I was like, well, I

1463
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Speaker 2: guess I could understand why you would think that, but

1464
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Speaker 2: I had laid out, you know, the cases they lost,

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Speaker 2: every single one. He's like, yeah, but these judges, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's rigged. I'm like, really, it's rigged, and like across

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Speaker 2: like all these Red states actually.

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Speaker 4: With all this.

1469
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Speaker 3: Judges and whatever people have thrown it out.

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, that's kind of interesting, and then all

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Speaker 2: of them, inevitably it comes back to Giuliani and it's like, no,

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Speaker 2: but Rudy Giuliani said this stuff, So I don't think

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01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 2: he could really, you know, underestimate how important Juliani was

1474
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 2: to the lore of stop the Steal in a lot

1475
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Speaker 2: of these people's minds. And that's why I think it's

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Speaker 2: it's particularly discussing what he did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's absolutely right.

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01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: He used the credibility that he built up as America's

1479
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: mayor not only to try to mislead the entire country.

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01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: And let's be clear, some sixty to seventy percent of

1481
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: the Republican base still believes that the election was stolen

1482
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 1: based on things like this, him alleging that these two women,

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01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: mother and daughter, were passing usb ports back and forth,

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01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: when really they were passing mints back and forth. And

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01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: again he knew that, he knew it, and he lied

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01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,240
Speaker 1: to you about it because it served his purposes at

1487
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Speaker 1: the time. It is utterly and completely disgraceful, and it

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Speaker 1: also enrages me. I mean, these are just two regular

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Speaker 1: women who it is a genuine civic duty to show

1490
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: up and work the polls. You don't get paid for it.

1491
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Speaker 1: It's a pain in the ass. You got to deal

1492
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: with all kinds of you know, people who have whatever

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Speaker 1: going on. It's a whole thing. And they were willing

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Speaker 1: to do it. They were there State Farm Arena, Fulton County,

1495
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Speaker 1: doing the thing late at night, et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: and they were, you know, subjected according to what they

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Speaker 1: have to say, and I completely believe it because I

1498
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: remember hearing this claim at the time. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: was like one of the core things that was being

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Speaker 1: circulated within the circles that were believing this stuff.

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Speaker 3: They say their.

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Speaker 1: Lives have been completely upended, you know, private citizens who

1503
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: now are being accused of this incredible, nefarious crime just

1504
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: casually by a very powerful individual. So it really is

1505
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: discussing that. The other piece of this is there's been

1506
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: a lot of conjecture about what exactly is going on

1507
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: with Giuliani right now, we of course are back on

1508
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: Trump indictment watch. Looks like the Jack Smith investigation into

1509
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: what happened on January sixth and fake elector scheme that

1510
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: may be drawing to a close. We may get charges

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Speaker 1: in that relatively soon. And Giuliani has been talking to

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01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: the government about whatever he knows with regard to that,

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01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: and there was some question over whether Giuliani may have

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01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: flipped and maybe providing information the government may be working

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Speaker 1: out his own deal. He denies it, to be clear,

1516
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 1: but I think there's still a bit of a question

1517
01:09:58,760 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: mark there.

1518
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 3: And the other question mark on that front, as Mark meadows.

1519
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, Meadows in particular.

1520
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 2: Actually, there was a video circulating yesterday where he was

1521
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 2: walking into his office and he was repeatedly asked, you know,

1522
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 2: whether he had like whether he had any comment about

1523
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 2: the case and the grand jury and all that. And

1524
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: you know, there were some federal prosecutors who said that

1525
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 2: given his level of non response, and he'd certainly seemed

1526
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 2: like somebody who could be cooperating with the government. Apparently

1527
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,759
Speaker 2: Trump's own people think he's cooperated with the government.

1528
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 4: So who the hell knows what's going on there?

1529
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 2: And you know, as a reminder, as the former White

1530
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,560
Speaker 2: House sheep of staff that we're talking about here, or

1531
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 2: it would have been extraord I mean, he was in

1532
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 2: the room like when a lot of that stuff was

1533
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 2: going on.

1534
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: He was inte corol. I mean, he really was at

1535
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: the center of it. So we'll keep our eye on

1536
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: that one. We also have an extraordinary glimpse into whatever

1537
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: is going on inside the White House with regard to

1538
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: their dogs. So this is it's really it's honestly sad.

1539
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: So put this up on the screens from the New

1540
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: York Post. This was some records that were revealed through

1541
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:57,879
Speaker 1: a Freedom of Information Act.

1542
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 3: Request Biden's dog. This is the younger one.

1543
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: Commander sent a Secret Service officer to the hospital and

1544
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 1: has been six others after replacing.

1545
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 3: They say.

1546
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: The first pooch Major Major had, I think was also

1547
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: German shepherd the same breed, and also had to be

1548
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: removed from the residence because of some aggressive incidents.

1549
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 3: But what was revealed through this Freedom.

1550
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,759
Speaker 1: Of Information Act request was that Commander has been seven

1551
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: people in a four month span after Major was ousted

1552
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: over similar aggressive behavior. The shocking spate of incidents, none

1553
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: of them previously reported. Mirrors attacks involving Major, who the

1554
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: White House says was given to family friends after biting

1555
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: Secret Service members in twenty twenty one. In the most

1556
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 1: serious of the incidents that were documented, the White House

1557
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: Physician's office on November third had to refer a Secret

1558
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 1: Service officer to a local hospital for treatment after Commander

1559
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: clampdown on their arm and i. According to emails released

1560
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: under that Foyer request, Commander broke the skin of a

1561
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: different Secret Service member's hand and arm weeks later after

1562
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 1: the President unleased him outside the White House following a

1563
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: family movie night. Communications indicate in the following month, Commander

1564
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: bit the back of a security technician at Biden's Wilmington,

1565
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: Delaware home. So seven different bites in a four month span, so.

1566
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 4: I have a lot.

1567
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 2: First of all, for anybody who's accusing us, this is

1568
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 2: the fun block. Everybody knows that, so let's just keep

1569
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 2: putting on the end. But I did a little bit

1570
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 2: of research into this. I know people for.

1571
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 3: These super service officers.

1572
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well for the service and that's kind of

1573
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 2: what I want to talk about, which is I know

1574
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 2: a lot of people who own German shepherds, so I

1575
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 2: actually talk to them about it, and I was like, hey,

1576
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 2: what's going on here? Every single one of them pointed

1577
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 2: to this that when you have two successive dogs that

1578
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 2: are both involved in biding incidents under your ownership, yeah,

1579
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 2: something's wrong with you. These are not breeds which are

1580
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 2: known for just being aggressive like this. Maybe they can

1581
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 2: go a little bit wild and they can get like

1582
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 2: this if they're untamed. But really what they all pointed

1583
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 2: to is like bees are and look, I don't have

1584
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 2: any inside knowledge, but based on people I know who

1585
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 2: own German shepherds, I know a lot of people with

1586
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: German shepherd This some of the sweetest dogs in the world.

1587
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 2: They need a little bit of training. They need to

1588
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 2: kind of like you've got to force them, not but

1589
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 2: you need to be forcible I think in terms of

1590
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 2: your direction and all that you have. And sometimes actually

1591
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,759
Speaker 2: the breeders who sell German shepherds or give German shepherds,

1592
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,480
Speaker 2: they require you to put the dog through training specifically

1593
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 2: to avoid incidents like this because they know that if unchecked,

1594
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 2: that this can happen. So unfortunately. I actually think it

1595
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 2: is clear that there's just a sheer carelessness going on

1596
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 2: in the Biden household where they appear just like not

1597
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 2: to want to spend the time or even this is

1598
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 2: the thing, you guys, people have a lot of money.

1599
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 4: We all know that.

1600
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 2: You know, thanks to the whole hunter situation, why don't

1601
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 2: you just spend the money that a normal middle class

1602
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 2: family buying a German shepherd or getting a German.

1603
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 4: Shepherd would do.

1604
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 2: This is just standard operating procedure here, or it could

1605
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 2: say this is another thing they all pointed to, that

1606
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 2: the dog is criminally under exercised and is not being

1607
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 2: taken care of properly. We know, for dog size, you

1608
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 2: probably gotta walk that thing five miles a day. I

1609
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 2: can forgive the president for not having the time to

1610
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 2: do that. But you have a lot of people who

1611
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 2: work for you who could go do it for you.

1612
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 2: So at the very least, it's more like a lack

1613
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 2: of attention to that. And look, I can't help as

1614
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 2: a pet owner, and you know, I have a dog

1615
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 2: and I'm a cat and I can't help. But just

1616
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 2: think frankly less of people who don't do that. You know,

1617
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 2: it's like whenever you have I lived in an apartment

1618
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 2: at one time and I knew a guy who had

1619
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 2: one of those Alaskan huskies and he kept the husky

1620
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 2: in the house and I just remember being like, I'm

1621
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 2: like he was a nice guy, but I'll never forget that.

1622
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 2: I'm like, you put that freaking dog in an apartment

1623
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 2: all day. That's not cool, man. This is like a

1624
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 2: vanity project. So you can get cool Instagram photos with

1625
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 2: an Alaska husky, and like you got to think about

1626
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: the dog's welfare, like he could walk this thing. It

1627
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 2: needs actual space and you willingly like brought it into

1628
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 2: this situation. If you don't have the time or the

1629
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 2: resources for it, then you shouldn't be handling that.

1630
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 4: And Glenn Greenwalld has talked about this as well.

1631
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 2: He's very involved in dog rescue and all that. There's

1632
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 2: unfortunately a massive spike of people who are returning dogs

1633
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 2: or giving up dogs, or abandoning dogs because they got

1634
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 2: them during the pandemic and then they didn't do you know,

1635
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,760
Speaker 2: or they didn't want to do the actual work to

1636
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 2: take care of a dog, you know, in the long run.

1637
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 2: You know, this is supposedly supposed to be a lifelong commitment.

1638
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 2: It's like a blood contract in a way between.

1639
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 4: You and this animal.

1640
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I mean that's just on a personal level.

1641
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 2: You can't help but observe here. Like you know that

1642
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 2: everyone always says like it's not the dog, it's the owner.

1643
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 2: I don't think that's always the case. But when you

1644
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 2: have two incidents like this that happened back to back,

1645
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 2: can't help us say there's something going on inside that house.

1646
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: Put this next piece up on the screen, which was

1647
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 1: some reporting at the time about Major Biden being sent

1648
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: away for offsite private training. And by the way, they

1649
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: say that Commander is going to undergo additional training as well,

1650
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: and that they're setting up new dedicated exercise areas and

1651
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,799
Speaker 1: new leashing protocols to try to keep Secret Service safe

1652
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: when they're around him. First of all, I liked this

1653
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: quote Biden's Major is sweet and loved by eighty five

1654
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: percent of the people he meets at.

1655
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 3: Well, it was not a great proportion.

1656
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: But what I found interesting in this article is they

1657
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: interviewed someone who was a professional trainer who number one

1658
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: took some issue with the type of training that they

1659
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: were getting for Major. They didn't think that it was

1660
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: the sort of you know, they thought that a different style.

1661
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 3: Of training might be better. I don't know, but they.

1662
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 1: Did say, this is a dog who, through genetics and

1663
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: early lack of good experience, because Major had been a

1664
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: shelter dog, has probably developed mistrust of certain.

1665
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 3: Types of people. And German shepherds, they said.

1666
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: And I didn't realize this are the number one biting

1667
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: breed in the country. Though they tend not to bite hard,

1668
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: most of the German shepherds that this trainer says they

1669
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: have seen over the past thirty years have anxious, suspicious dispositions.

1670
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: So it may be the case that this is a

1671
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: particularly difficult dog breed to have in an environment that

1672
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,759
Speaker 1: is like the White House, which is tons of people

1673
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: in and out and lots of different folks sense, you know, yeah,

1674
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: it does make sense that this may be a particularly

1675
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: difficult type of breed to have in this type of setting.

1676
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: So but then I don't know why after the first

1677
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: incident you choose this breed again.

1678
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a responsibility not only to the dog

1679
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 2: first of all, you know, I mean.

1680
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: This dog is imhouldna be happy in this type of environment.

1681
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 1: That don't bring them into this type of environment.

1682
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 4: That's it.

1683
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 2: And then also listen, I mean, and I hate to

1684
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 2: say this, but you know, if you are a normal

1685
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 2: person and your dog bites two people, that dog is

1686
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 2: going down.

1687
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 4: I think everybody knows that.

1688
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 3: I mean, after one.

1689
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 2: It's really usually I think they usually give you I

1690
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 2: forget exactly. I think it's state by state and also

1691
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 2: in terms of localities as well, what the rules are.

1692
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 2: But like, if you have one reported incident, that's already bad,

1693
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 2: like bad, especially if you drop blood. But if you

1694
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 2: have two and you send somebody to the hospital at

1695
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 2: least here, Like I know this because I got bitten

1696
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 2: by a dog by somebody and actually they told me,

1697
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 2: they're like, hey, you need to go report.

1698
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 4: I actually didn't do it because I felt I was like.

1699
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 3: I can't be responded.

1700
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 4: I can't flood on my.

1701
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 2: Hands, like even those dog that pounced on me and

1702
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 2: bit into my leg, but they were like, hey, that dog,

1703
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 2: you know, like we really need to you know, you

1704
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 2: need to contact animal control. They're going to go and

1705
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 2: investigate this incident, and it will ultimately likely you know,

1706
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 2: result in being the dog being like forcibly put down.

1707
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm just saying, you know, also in turns,

1708
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 2: it shows you that you know the special treatment I

1709
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 2: think that they're getting, which you know, a lot of

1710
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 2: people have to deal with this, and a lot of

1711
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:16,639
Speaker 2: people take a lot more care apparently than the First

1712
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 2: family on this. And yeah, I mean I would just

1713
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: say on a personal level, I definitely think less of

1714
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 2: them for having two dogs now in this incident and

1715
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 2: then not taking the care necessary for their employees. I mean,

1716
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 2: these people, like you think the circuit service guy wants

1717
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 2: to be there all day, you know, you think I

1718
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 2: know some of these guys from when I worked on

1719
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 2: the White House grounds. They're sitting there in full body

1720
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 2: armor in a hundred degree heat, sometimes like with a

1721
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 2: machine gun, sitting in a bush, just literally wasting away

1722
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 2: in the heat, Like, the last thing that guy needs

1723
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 2: to deal with is a.

1724
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 3: Dog who's worrying about it.

1725
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 4: He's worrying about the dog.

1726
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 3: Seven people in four months.

1727
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: And then, by the way, in the report, they do

1728
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 1: have text messages back and forth from you know, one

1729
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: of them saying, like, commander charged me very aggressively. I

1730
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: think it's only a matter of time before someone gets bitten.

1731
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: And yeah, so to me, that's maybe one of the

1732
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: bigger pieces here is how is it that we've had

1733
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: seven bites in a four month span and it had

1734
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: to be brought to the public before it's really dealt with.

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01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, there you go, Crystal, and take a look

1736
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 4: at wow.

1737
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: In a brand new interview, Abigail Disney, granddaughter of Walt

1738
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: and heiress to the Disney fortune, had a pretty blunt

1739
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: message for current Disney CEO Bob Iger. Now Aiger has

1740
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: recently come under fire for some absolutely trash comments he

1741
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: made about striking actors and writers, saying their demands were

1742
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: quote unreasonable, all of this while he canoodled at the

1743
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: Sun Valley, Idaho Billionaire Boys Club. Well additional context for

1744
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 1: Iiger's outrageous comments here, he earns sixty five million dollars

1745
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 1: per year paces work are such low wages that some

1746
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 1: have actually been forced into homelessness. Here's Abigail reacting to

1747
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: Aigre's comments and the fact that his pay is one

1748
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: four hundred and twenty four times the pay of the

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01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: median Disney employee.

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01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:55,759
Speaker 4: Quote.

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01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 3: If you have sixty five.

1752
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: Million in your pocket and there are people in your

1753
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: company who are a struggling to put food on the table,

1754
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 1: that should not feel good to you. You shouldn't be

1755
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: able to sleep well at night. I woke up one

1756
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: day and realized that, just by virtue of being bored lucky,

1757
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 1: I had so much more than everyone else. And I

1758
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 1: don't think I've slept well since I figured that out.

1759
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: And to her credit, Abigail has increasingly used her visibility

1760
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 1: as a wealthy and connected person into more and more

1761
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 1: radical activism. Actually been watching her trajectory for a while,

1762
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,799
Speaker 1: and while many put away radical politics as they age,

1763
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: she has actually been pushing herself into more and more activism.

1764
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 1: She was recently arrested for the first time as part

1765
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: of a climate change protest against private jet travel.

1766
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 3: She had a group of activists blocked.

1767
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,839
Speaker 1: The East Hampton Airport, where the nation's billionaire class boards

1768
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: and deeplanes from their private jets. A just cause, if

1769
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 1: ever there was one, given the number of stars and

1770
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 1: billionaires who wring their hands about climate change and then

1771
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: casually spew a million times more emissions into the air

1772
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: than the average human. I am not exaggerating here either,

1773
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 1: as Abigail actually points out and OXFAM study estimates that

1774
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 1: billionaires literally emit a million times more than the average person.

1775
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 3: And guess what, guy.

1776
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 1: She also walks the walk, or more accurately, flies the

1777
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: commercial flight, putting to shame the petty protestations of those

1778
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 1: who would have us believe it's just too much.

1779
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 3: Of a burden for the rich to fly with the

1780
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 3: rest of us.

1781
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 1: Chumps to Rolling Stone, she specifically calls out megastars Leonardo

1782
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,120
Speaker 1: DiCaprio and who start and don't look up but still

1783
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 1: blast around on his private jet, and Taylor Swift, who

1784
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 1: apparently tops the list of private jet travelers. Abigail Disney's

1785
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 1: commitment to being a class trader is admirable. It also

1786
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,520
Speaker 1: serves as an example for the many a less celebrities

1787
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 1: who have absented themselves from the class struggle that is

1788
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: happening in their own industry. Because while Abigail's actions shouldn't

1789
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: matter any more than those of the young climate activists

1790
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,520
Speaker 1: who organized the protests and who she was arrested alongside,

1791
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,879
Speaker 1: this is America. The reality is people with wealdon status

1792
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: have a whole lot more power in Cloud than your

1793
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: average individual, and because of this, it's been disappointing to

1794
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: see how few of the top actors have shown up

1795
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 1: to stand in solidarity with their underpaid brothers and sisters.

1796
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 1: A prominent sag after member told Variety, there's been a

1797
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 1: palpable lack of headliners. If our stars were all out

1798
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 1: there and forced advocating for us, we would know it

1799
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: in a sign of rank and file frustration in a

1800
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 1: union where your average member is pulling in about twenty

1801
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: six k annually. One picketter actually held up a sign

1802
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: that read where the f is ben Affleck, The normally

1803
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: politically outspokens love has yet to show up for any

1804
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 1: of the pickets.

1805
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 3: Think of how much cultural cachet these people have.

1806
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 1: Golden opportunity to advocate for not only their own industry

1807
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 1: but all workers. There have been some exceptions, though, in

1808
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 1: the power of the words of these recognizable figures shows

1809
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: just how important their active participation actually is, not to

1810
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: mention what it would mean to their union brothers and sisters.

1811
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 1: Here's Arian Loyd, the actor who played Stewie in Succession,

1812
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: absolutely ripping into the studio.

1813
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 3: Bosses, take a listen.

1814
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 19: We deserve a living wage, we deserve breaks, We deserve

1815
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 19: to work together to make beautiful arts so people can

1816
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:58,640
Speaker 19: enjoy it. It's like these people haven't seen fucking succession.

1817
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 4: Which about you.

1818
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 20: The most important thing that we can do right now

1819
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 20: as a unit, as a group is to keep together.

1820
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 20: They're going to try to divide us.

1821
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 4: They're going to try to tell us this, that.

1822
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 20: And the other. All we can do right now is

1823
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:23,919
Speaker 20: show up, care be here, picket post keep posting, make stories,

1824
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 20: tell people about this.

1825
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 4: That's the only thing that we can do.

1826
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 20: United, we will beat them. I am so proud to

1827
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 20: be an actor and so proud to be in this union.

1828
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 3: Here we go show up and pick it now.

1829
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 1: The reason I'm highlighting these class traders is not because

1830
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: they're more important than the active that's who are pushing

1831
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: for better at great sacrifice without the safety net of

1832
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 1: their wealth every single day, but frankly because I'm a

1833
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 1: little bit at my wits end of how change can

1834
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 1: even really come. Since the financial crash, we've had a

1835
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 1: series of working class uprisings on a fairly regular basis,

1836
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: and the best we can really show for it is

1837
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars a student debt cancelation that got killed

1838
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: by the Supreme Court. You want to talk about failures

1839
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: of democracy, the fact that Washington, regardless of who is

1840
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 1: in power, systematically towards the consistently demonstrated.

1841
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 3: Desires the people is that the top of that list.

1842
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: If the actors strike can get wealthy and influential actors

1843
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: to care about labor, that would be amazing. If Abigail

1844
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: Disney can single handedly shame her fellow wealthy elite, may

1845
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,879
Speaker 1: be a handful of committed class traders are the breakthrough

1846
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: We actually need to cut working people in on America's prosperity.

1847
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: Abigail told Rolling Stone, quote, we need to question this

1848
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 1: notion that capital only belongs to owners.

1849
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,759
Speaker 3: When we can't achieve anything without workers.

1850
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 1: We're doing capitalism wrong, and we're going to kill ourselves

1851
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 1: in the process unless we rethink it. If even one

1852
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: percent of the one percent had that awakening, that could

1853
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: be a whole revolution, and it just struck me, Soger,

1854
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 1: how it shouldn't be this way. New piece in New

1855
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 1: York mag that caught our attention. Lists put this up

1856
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 1: on the screen. The headline here is AOC is just

1857
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 1: a regular old Democrat now charting her course from potential

1858
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 1: revolutionary to just another mon of the Democratic Caucus. And

1859
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: author of that piece joins us now, Freddy Debor. He

1860
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 1: is a writer and also author and has a new

1861
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,959
Speaker 1: book coming out we're very excited about titled how Elites

1862
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: eight the Social Justice Movement that is going to be

1863
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: dropping this fall.

1864
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 4: Freddy, Great to see you, Good to see you man.

1865
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me.

1866
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, our pleasure.

1867
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: So I think my first question for you is just,

1868
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 1: you know, we've sort of seen this trajectory from AOC

1869
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: for a while. Now, what was it that inspired you

1870
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,719
Speaker 1: to write this piece right at this moment?

1871
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 18: You know?

1872
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 7: I think that.

1873
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 21: For me in particular, as I try to sort of

1874
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 21: point out with the piece, people don't just sort of

1875
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 21: betray some sort of fundamental idea like one time. I mean,

1876
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 21: certainly there can be particular moments when you sort of

1877
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 21: go mask off and show who you are. But to me,

1878
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 21: it's a steady accumulation of things that I think don't

1879
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 21: sort of fit with the rhetoric about AOC in her

1880
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 21: actual specific voting behavior. So one of the things I

1881
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 21: tried to do is just refer to very specific moments

1882
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 21: of things that she did on the floor of Congress

1883
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 21: as a legislator and say, these don't sort of comport

1884
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 21: with what she sort of just portrayed as and what

1885
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 21: she has portrayed herself as. But also in a big

1886
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 21: part of the pieces, the piece is less intended to

1887
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 21: be sort of AOC is a trader, and it's more

1888
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 21: supposed to be sort of saying like, I don't know

1889
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 21: what the coherent sort of ideological perspective is that underlines

1890
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 21: her actual voting.

1891
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 7: Behavior and the way that she acts in Congress.

1892
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 21: If there's anything that I think for me represents the

1893
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 21: thing that really turned my own stomach about her, it's

1894
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 21: when she voted to forbid railway rikers workers.

1895
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 7: Excuse me from the right to strike.

1896
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 21: Because that is to me, you know of black letter

1897
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 21: socialist slash lefty slash radical stuff, is that you simply

1898
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 21: do not forbid about workers their right to strike. We

1899
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 21: just saw ups workers get a much better deal than

1900
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 21: what they had initially been offered because they had a

1901
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 21: credible right to strike that would have cost their company

1902
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 21: billions of dollars. And so that to me, if there's

1903
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 21: any one thing, but for me, it's just more a

1904
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 21: steady sort of accumulation of noticing that there just aren't

1905
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 21: a lot of behaviors that reflect any kind of coherent

1906
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 21: plan going on, and then appearing on odd Save America

1907
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:37,839
Speaker 21: to endorse Joe Biden.

1908
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 7: Number one, you don't have to endorse at all.

1909
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 21: Your endorsement is not going to change any votes. Probably,

1910
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 21: I mean the number of people who are saying, I'm

1911
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,799
Speaker 21: going to vote for RFK, but then AOC endorse Biden,

1912
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 21: so I'm going to switch my.

1913
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 7: Vote as minimal.

1914
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 21: If you have to endorse, you can send out a

1915
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 21: one sentence.

1916
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 7: Press release and do it that way.

1917
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 21: Right, just a few days before AOC made that appearance,

1918
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 21: the pod Save America bros had a moment where they

1919
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 21: were actively laughing, I mean literally like convulsing in laughter

1920
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 21: at the idea that they should have to appeal to

1921
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 21: left voters, that persuasion with left voters is necessary. And

1922
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 21: so for me, that kind of crystallizes this sense that

1923
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 21: AOC is part of a perspective where, however benevolent, many

1924
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 21: of our impulses may be, the Left is owned by

1925
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 21: the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party never has to offer

1926
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 21: us anything for our votes, and that if we don't

1927
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 21: vote for the Democratic Party it must be because we

1928
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 21: love Trump.

1929
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 2: So, Freddie, what are some of the jump off points

1930
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 2: that you can point to, both in the piece and

1931
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 2: throughout the career where we started to see, like you said,

1932
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 2: mask off you reference to rail strike, does it pre

1933
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 2: date that?

1934
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 4: What do you think? Yeah?

1935
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 21: I mean for me, just in terms of just not

1936
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 21: knowing what she's doing. The vote about the Israeli Iron

1937
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 21: Dome funding, which is Israel's missile defense shield that the

1938
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,719
Speaker 21: United States pays for, as the United States pays for

1939
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 21: a huge portion of Israel's military machine. To me, that's

1940
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 21: a problem, not just because she didn't vote the way

1941
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 21: that I wanted to, because I have just no idea

1942
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 21: what she's doing and with her vote.

1943
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 7: So for those who don't know.

1944
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 21: When that vote came up, there were a couple of

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Speaker 21: people who have been talking about voting against it. She

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Speaker 21: cried on the floor of Congress in solidarity with Palestinian people.

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Speaker 21: And then when the upper down yes or no vote

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Speaker 21: came up to vote for or against funding the Iron Dome,

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Speaker 21: she voted present. Now for one thing, right, I don't

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Speaker 21: like that because I want her to vote no, because

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Speaker 21: I support the Palestinian solidarity and I don't want her

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Speaker 21: to support the Israeli war machine. The fact that she

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Speaker 21: was going to lose that vote is irrelevant. You still

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Speaker 21: vote that with your conscience. But let's suppose that she

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Speaker 21: wanted to do it for some sort of strategic reason.

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Speaker 21: The first thing to say is, anyone who's a hardcore

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Speaker 21: supporter of Israel is never going to support Alexandria Casio Cortetes.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 21: If she was doing this to try to court, you know,

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Speaker 21: Zionist voters, that's very strange because I don't think they're

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Speaker 21: ever going to be in her corner anywhere. But also,

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Speaker 21: if you were going to do that, if you were

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Speaker 21: just going to say, you know what, I just I

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Speaker 21: want to stand for defending Israel against sort of Palestinian solidarity,

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Speaker 21: then you vote yes. Right, Voting present is nothing. It

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Speaker 21: is literally the worst of all worlds. We're not expressing

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Speaker 21: solidarity with the Palestinian people. You're also not getting whatever

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Speaker 21: meat or political benefit you might have gotten up for

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Speaker 21: voting in favor of Israel. It's just just sort of

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Speaker 21: seems like a very aimless act. And so this is

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Speaker 21: the point, sort of the broader point with this piece

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Speaker 21: is that I'm not so much interested in like castigating

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Speaker 21: an individual member of the sort of left Democrat caucus.

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Speaker 21: I am saying, you know, look the Bernie Sanders primary campaign,

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Speaker 21: which is where so much of this coalesce and we

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Speaker 21: started to get this momentum. It was seven years ago.

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Speaker 21: I don't have the slightest idea what left Democrats think

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Speaker 21: their approach to politics is some people sort of some

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Speaker 21: of the critics of the piece were like, oh, you're

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Speaker 21: expecting her to be able to will legislation out of nowhere.

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Speaker 7: I know she can't pass legislation on.

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Speaker 21: Her own, but what I would really love to see,

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Speaker 21: right is like some coherent sense of what she thinks

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Speaker 21: her role as a legislator is, and you know, a

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Speaker 21: sense that these people are sort of working in tandem

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Speaker 21: to say, Okay, the way that we grow is this,

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Speaker 21: or the way we move forward in this And all

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Speaker 21: I see in so many of the things that she's

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Speaker 21: done is a complete lack of sort of direction.

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Speaker 1: Let me just ask you though, So, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: understand why you focus on AOC, and I wrote a

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Speaker 1: similar not a similar piece.

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Speaker 3: Yours was much better than mine.

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Speaker 1: But I also had some reflections after she endorsed byden

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Speaker 1: the pod Save thing, because it's just like, ugh, really,

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Speaker 1: this is how Lowe's stooped. But I don't think anyone

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Speaker 1: is under the illusion now that AOC is going to

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Speaker 1: lead us to the socialist promised Land. However, do you

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Speaker 1: think it's better that she be there than Joe Crowley

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Speaker 1: or any of the many other myriad of democrats I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking of Josh Koteimer, right, Gottenheimer runs around accusing everybody

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Speaker 1: who you know, says anything critical ever of Israel being

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Speaker 1: an anti semit you know, pushes these resolutions, which by

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Speaker 1: the way, AOC voted against. That's like, we stand with

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Speaker 1: Israel always in forever, no matter what. He also pushes

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Speaker 1: things that are also really odious economically, in terms of

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Speaker 1: assault lifting the salt tax cap, which is basically giveaway

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Speaker 1: to the wealthy. So no, they're not going to lead

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Speaker 1: us to the Promised Land. But do you think it's

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Speaker 1: still better to have AOC and the rest of the

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Speaker 1: squad members than another set of more right wing Democrats.

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Speaker 21: If I was voting for the House of Representatives tomorrow

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Speaker 21: and my choices were between Alexandria Casio.

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Speaker 7: Quartez or Joe Crowley, I would certainly choose AOC.

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Speaker 21: But I also think it's important to say, like I mean,

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Speaker 21: one of the things I've been trying to put out

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Speaker 21: into the universe with people is, Okay, what fundamentally would.

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Speaker 7: Have been different had Joe Crowley kept his seat? Right?

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Speaker 21: I think of major moments in the recent American political history,

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Speaker 21: what has sort of happened because of AOC that would

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Speaker 21: not have happened with Joe Crowley or vice versa. That

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Speaker 21: something that Joe Crowley would have done that AOC would

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Speaker 21: not have. And I think that it's much harder to

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Speaker 21: sort of come up with a version of how that

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Speaker 21: hypothetical America is different than you know, if Joe Crowley

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Speaker 21: just kept his seat, the machine Democrat sort of kept

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Speaker 21: his seat. One thing I think people don't realize is

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Speaker 21: AOC's district is notorious for bad turnout, So even though

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Speaker 21: she's in the biggest city.

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Speaker 7: In the country.

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Speaker 21: In her first twenty eighteen primary, campaign against Joe Crowley.

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Speaker 21: She won that primary with less than eighteen thousand votes,

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Speaker 21: right Like, there are small towns in Connecticut where the

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Speaker 21: mayor gets more than eighteen thousand votes for you know,

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Speaker 21: to get that office.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: So, you're talking about a figure.

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Speaker 21: Who's sort of been advanced into this national stage based

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Speaker 21: on very little in the way of sort of public support.

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Speaker 21: I would like for the sort of the vision of

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Speaker 21: AOC to sort of match the reality. I mean, one

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Speaker 21: of the things that I've been asking everybody to do

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Speaker 21: is allow me to consider this person as a legislator

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Speaker 21: like any other. I got some very sharp and interesting

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Speaker 21: criticism about the piece, but the large majority of the

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Speaker 21: response has been just really sort of irrational angry. How

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Speaker 21: could you portray this person sort of thing? And she's

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Speaker 21: in Congress, right like, she is a representative of the people,

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Speaker 21: and you criticize them when they aren't doing things that

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Speaker 21: are consonant with your values. If I had written that

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Speaker 21: piece about some backbench Democrat who had an identical voting

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Speaker 21: record to AOC, the people who got so angry at

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Speaker 21: me wouldn't have bad a denying. And I think if

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Speaker 21: there's anything that's going to happen if she is going

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Speaker 21: to be a long term politician. I'm asking people if

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Speaker 21: maybe we can dissolve the cult of AOC. Look at

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Speaker 21: her as a legislator like any other, evaluate her votes,

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Speaker 21: evaluate her endorsements, and make our judgments from there.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this on which dovetails with

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. You close the piece saying Alexandria Cossio

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Speaker 1: Court has was once a symbol of what American politics

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Speaker 1: might become. Now she's a message to the rest of us.

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Speaker 1: It's going to take more than symbols. Is the issue

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Speaker 1: here with AOC personally? Or is it more of a

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Speaker 1: structural critique, like was it always going to be impossible that,

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Speaker 1: no matter her radical intention, we would end up in

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Speaker 1: the same place. Or do you think a different person

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Speaker 1: or a different group of people might have been able

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Speaker 1: to muster more power, Because I look, for example, at

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Speaker 1: the you know, some examples in the Republican Caucus, the

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Speaker 1: Tea Party was able to use a minority of the

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Speaker 1: caucus to great effect to get their wishes. You just

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Speaker 1: had the House Freedom Caucus, which has used you know,

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Speaker 1: a small group of legislators who were willing to band

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Speaker 1: together and kind of be assholes and throw some sand

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Speaker 1: in the gears, and they were able to also accomplish

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Speaker 1: some key priorities. So is the problem with the strategy?

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Speaker 1: Is the problem with individuals? And what is sort of

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Speaker 1: your diagnosis of what a better direction would be.

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Speaker 7: I mean it's a little bit of both.

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Speaker 21: Look, I like again to respond to the most common criticism,

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Speaker 21: I'm not unaware of how sort of structurally disadvantaged, you know,

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Speaker 21: leftists and socialist politicians are in the United States. This

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Speaker 21: is a country with I don't know, seventy years of

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Speaker 21: red scare tactics when the Soviet Union exists a you know,

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Speaker 21: now you know, just as long of an effort to

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Speaker 21: crush labor unions, which is the heart of the left.

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Speaker 21: And so I don't expect more from these people than

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Speaker 21: as possible. But you mentioned the Tea Party, and it's

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Speaker 21: you know, I just think that any rational evaluation of

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Speaker 21: the far left and the far right in this country,

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Speaker 21: you would have to acknowledge that the far right gets

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Speaker 21: more of what it wants, despite the fact that in

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Speaker 21: many cases they themselves don't have anything like in numerical majorities.

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Speaker 21: Then the far left gets and I think that this

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Speaker 21: is structural and baked into the Democrat the nature of

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Speaker 21: the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 7: It's simply a fact that.

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Speaker 21: I mean, this was the story of Obama right, which

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Speaker 21: is you had congressional Republicans during his administration who just

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Speaker 21: relentlessly moved the center, and Obama constantly chased that moved

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Speaker 21: center to try to be the more sort of rational person,

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Speaker 21: the more sort of adult in the room person, which

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Speaker 21: again with some other big part response to this piece,

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Speaker 21: which is this is not how politics actually is. Grown

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Speaker 21: up politics is like this. Those definitions are exactly what

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Speaker 21: people on the far right have never done. So you know,

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Speaker 21: I look at the end of Roe view Waid, which

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Speaker 21: for me is a nightmare, But you look at the

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Speaker 21: people who made that happen when Roe v. Wade, When

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Speaker 21: that decision came down, even a large majority of Republicans

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Speaker 21: supported a woman's right to choose.

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Speaker 7: It was one of the.

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Speaker 21: Things that made Roe Viewaid a landmark case was that

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Speaker 21: it was public policy finally being brought into line with

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Speaker 21: public opinion in terms of women's right to choose. Those

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Speaker 21: people never stopped to say, those anti choice people, those

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Speaker 21: anti a worship people, never said, let's get serious, let's

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Speaker 21: be responsible. Well, we you know, politics is about compromise.

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Speaker 21: We need to we need to moderate our opinion. If

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Speaker 21: you look at the history of their movement, all they

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Speaker 21: did was ruthlessly pursue that out which they got, which

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Speaker 21: is the end of Roady Wade over the course of decades.

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Speaker 21: And it's just a perpetual frustration of mine that you

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Speaker 21: just have these examples of people on the right just

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Speaker 21: sort of going to absolutely any lengths that they need

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Speaker 21: to to get their agenda, while people on the left

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Speaker 21: fret and worry and want to appear reasonable and need

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Speaker 21: to sort of care about compromise when the other side

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Speaker 21: isn't doing that and they're empowered because.

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Speaker 7: They don't do it.

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Speaker 1: I think that is all very well said, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the piece is really really well written, and I think

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Speaker 1: brings out some some key points that people who care

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Speaker 1: about left progress need to pay attention to. Freddie has

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Speaker 1: always great to chat with you. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for spending some time with us.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you man, Thanks for having me. We'll

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Speaker 2: see you guys later. Thank you so much for watching.

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Speaker 1: Again in April.

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