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Speaker 1: Well, it's so okay, I'll tell you this story.

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Speaker 2: You ready for the zeke?

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Speaker 3: I'm ready?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Then I'm gonna introduce you as soon as I

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Speaker 2: tell you the story.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: We had a historian on the show, Elliott West, and

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Speaker 1: then he was on an an. Elliott West was on

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Speaker 1: Rogan Show and I listened and that guy is so

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Speaker 1: good that he talked about totally different stuff.

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Speaker 2: One of the things they were talking about is the

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Speaker 2: term big wig. He's a big wig. You ever hear

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Speaker 2: that term?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay. It used to be so.

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Speaker 1: Such a disgrace to be bald that you would wear

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Speaker 1: a wig made of human hair, horse hair because it

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Speaker 1: was so disgraceful to be bald. The King of France

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Speaker 1: goes bald, he gets a wig, then everybody's like, now

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Speaker 1: I want a wig. Turned the tide. So then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, people that weren't even bald were wearing wigs.

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Speaker 2: It'd be like you look up to Jeff Bezos full

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Speaker 2: head of hair, but you shave your head. You follow me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Zeke Thurston, he's tracking the whole damn deal. Uh

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Speaker 1: Rodeo rider BRONC Riding specialists one how many times?

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Speaker 3: Just won my fourth Canadian title and uh won three

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Speaker 3: world titles.

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Speaker 2: So you're I mean, how good are you?

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Speaker 3: You know that's not too shabby.

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Speaker 2: That's great. We're gonna talk a bunch about that.

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Speaker 1: But I gotta talk about one thing is I saw

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Speaker 1: you as much as you excel in your in your

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Speaker 1: discipline and rodeo, I saw you get demoded this morning

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Speaker 1: on decoy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, putting out I was setting the decoys out wrong

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Speaker 3: and was putting the duck stands on the goosey.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I saw you. Well, you and I both made

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Speaker 1: a mistake. We both took the carabineers off early and

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Speaker 1: got tangled up. Rats Nest had a rats nest. We

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Speaker 1: had to get bailed out of that. And then you

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Speaker 1: made a second mistake. You unbagged.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I unbagged you unbagged.

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Speaker 2: And then I saw you get demoted.

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Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't realize decoy etiquette.

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Speaker 2: You got you got taken off the job I did.

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Speaker 2: I felt embarrassed. He said, Uh, you know.

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Speaker 5: Is this one of your compliment sandwiches.

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Speaker 1: But without you, you would you could take one hundred people. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if if we were hunting with Brady Davis and Matt McCormick, uh,

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Speaker 1: who've been on a number of times, the Flying ve guys,

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Speaker 1: and you no disrespect, Brady's here, no disrespect, you could

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Speaker 1: take not one hundred, You could take a dozen people

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Speaker 1: and say, like, how should you put the decoys out?

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that, Like, twelve of them aren't

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Speaker 1: But you got very rigid in the system.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: So there's a dozen on a caribbeaner. You take the

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Speaker 1: carabiner off the hook and you go out and you

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Speaker 1: place just play the bags in the right place. Then

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Speaker 1: when that's done, you place a stand by each bag.

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Speaker 1: When that's done, you go and take them out of

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Speaker 1: all the bags into the yellow bag. And the yellow

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Speaker 1: bags get hung up, but don't put them on the

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Speaker 1: wrong stand. And when you take them in, you put

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Speaker 1: a bag right. It's the whole way of doing it.

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Speaker 1: And and we screwed up and and and uh and

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Speaker 3: But I did notice that I untangled my own rat's nest.

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Speaker 3: You let Matt take years over?

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Speaker 2: Oh you got yours all undone?

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Speaker 6: He follows through is what he's saying.

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Speaker 2: It's a little emasculated. When emasculated and then he took

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Speaker 6: He reached into his pocket and gave you a lulli.

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Speaker 2: He said, Hey, this might be fun.

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Speaker 8: Can I tell you the behind the scenes after that happened? Right,

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Speaker 8: So Matt and I are setting up decoys. So the

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Speaker 8: way we got to this system is by just hundreds

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Speaker 8: you kind of figure out you got the core group

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Speaker 8: you fit in, right. But after that happened with you two,

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Speaker 8: today we're over there and we'll set out the decoys

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Speaker 8: and then Matt and I at some point will always like, reconvene.

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Speaker 2: You move this one that six inches and that ends.

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Speaker 8: Well, reconvene. When everybody's doing the things, just he and I,

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Speaker 8: it's like, all right, how you feeling? Like what are

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Speaker 8: you thinking? Everything looking good here? And he goes, you know,

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Speaker 8: the next Goose trailer because we're building a new one

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Speaker 8: for next year, way bigger, right, And I said what's that?

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Speaker 8: And he goes, we need a whiteboard. I said okay,

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Speaker 8: And he's like, imagine if in the morning before everybody

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Speaker 8: five minutes. Oh, and on the whiteboard, it's like we

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Speaker 8: draw it out and then we can say, Zeke, you're

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Speaker 8: doing this, Garrett, you're doing this, Steve you're doing this,

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Speaker 8: Brady you're doing He's like, dude, just be like sports right,

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Speaker 8: Like coach has a whiteboard, comes up the playbook and

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Speaker 8: it'll take us five minutes when we first get to

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Speaker 8: the field. But he's like, I've been thinking about it

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Speaker 8: this morning, and I think it'll save lots of time

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Speaker 2: I would put yardages on it. Yardages for sure.

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Speaker 1: When you draw a basic picture, you're like, from here

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Speaker 1: to here, that's gonna be about fifty yards. This is

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Speaker 2: Great idea.

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Speaker 6: And then you got like your your reserve players right where.

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Speaker 6: You're like, you guys are going to be sitting here

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Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, see, just be ready to go, Steven Zeke,

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Speaker 2: you guys go ahead and have a couple of coffee.

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Speaker 2: We were gamers.

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Speaker 3: We just started grabbing stuff, but we was doing it wrong, NOI.

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Speaker 8: Which we appreciate because a lot of times when you

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Speaker 8: have people come hunting with you, it can be a

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Speaker 8: little overwhelming when you look at this trailer right, and

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Speaker 8: so people will come and just go, I don't know

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Speaker 8: what to do. It's everybody's just moving, and so you

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Speaker 8: just kind of sit. So to your point, I do

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Speaker 8: like you were a gamer, like you guys will get

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Speaker 8: in and get dirty, and I got I.

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Speaker 9: Got yelled at right away because I unhooked the blinds wrong.

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Speaker 9: And Brady came into the trailer talking to Dane with

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Speaker 9: me standing right behind him and didn't realize you were there.

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Speaker 9: And he goes, no, he knew I was there. He goes, uh,

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Speaker 9: somebody did this that clearly doesn't understand our system.

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Speaker 3: And his name is Garry.

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Speaker 10: It's like, you don't screw around Matt and Brady.

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Speaker 5: But you don't want to be the guest that doesn't

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Speaker 2: The other option. Just sit and watch and then later

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Speaker 2: they talk about how you didn't help. No, So you're

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Speaker 2: exactly right.

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Speaker 8: I would rather have somebody that like helps too much

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Speaker 8: and makes a rat rats nest out of the you know,

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Speaker 8: decoy bags, like that's better than standing with your hands

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Speaker 8: because and Zeke and I talked about it. The way

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Speaker 8: we set up on these hunts, there is a pile

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Speaker 8: of decoys and a pile of work like a lot

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 8: It takes takes time.

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Speaker 3: To get it all out and stuff in that trailer,

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Speaker 8: All picked up, and so we are very much appreciative

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Speaker 8: of those who get their hands dirty and get to work.

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Speaker 2: Brady, I'll surprise learned that you studied bronc riding under

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Speaker 2: Zeke's father I did. Yeah. Do you guys use the

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Speaker 2: term study?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if it'll be study, maybe like learned.

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Speaker 8: I think an appropriate term for me would I got

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Speaker 8: my head drove in the dirt a thousand times while

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Speaker 8: Zeke's dad watched me and tried to give me pointers.

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Speaker 2: What's your dad's name, Skeeter, Skeeter. Yeah, and he's American.

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Speaker 3: Yes, what state was he? Nebraska? Nebraska sand Hills.

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Speaker 2: So you got a foot in each you gotta foot

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Speaker 1: You got a Canadian mother and an American father. But

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Speaker 1: you know how, you know, Americans have somewhat I don't

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Speaker 2: Myopic view of the world.

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Speaker 1: It always surprises me to hear that there's like a

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Speaker 1: rodeo guy in Canada, because we think that we sort

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Speaker 1: of own everything, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're like even up there. But it's a thriving

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, especially like you know Alberta, Saskatchewan, British

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Speaker 3: Born to Buck program was started up there, So it's uh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's deeply rooted.

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Speaker 1: Is uh Is it is there a regionality to the

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Speaker 1: different events? I mean, like you mentioned that, right, is

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Speaker 1: there like a barrel racing Mecca, a bronx Macha.

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Speaker 3: And uh, I mean not not necessarily, but like I

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Speaker 3: would say, like like me and Brady we're talking on

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Speaker 3: the way over here, like for example, like if you

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Speaker 3: want to be a calf roper, like Texas, Louisiana, your

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Speaker 3: southern states are kind of where you'd want to be

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Speaker 3: like that, right, yeah, just because it requires so much time,

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Speaker 3: so much practice. Like them guys can rope three hundred

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Speaker 3: and sixty five days of the year, where if you're

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Speaker 3: from Alberta, you gotta have an indoor barn you know,

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Speaker 3: to go rope from probably this time of the year

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Speaker 3: till mid May, you know I.

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Speaker 2: Heard recently, is surprise?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's similar to that as someone's saying that

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Speaker 1: it's like that rich kids always do better in skiing,

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Speaker 1: and immediately you think, well, it's because they go to

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Speaker 1: the big ski hills that are expensive to go to,

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Speaker 1: but it's the rich kids are always gonna kick everybody's

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Speaker 2: To New Zealand for the summer.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So if your family's loaded, you're just you're gonna

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Speaker 1: ski three hundred and sixt five days a year. If

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Speaker 1: you're broke, you're gonna ski when you got winter. You

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Speaker 1: can't chase the snow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: New Audio Project is out January ninth. Now, get this,

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Speaker 2: We cover why deer hides, what was going on with them.

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Speaker 1: me Eater's American History, the long Hunters. From the long Hunters,

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Speaker 1: A lot of this depends on you and your willingness

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Speaker 1: it's stupid. It's so stupid. The American Ornithological Society, who

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Speaker 5: It's good, right, because the cardinal is named after.

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Speaker 2: The Catholic authority. Figure, right, that's not going to last.

442
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 5: I would imagine it might not but do you think

443
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Speaker 5: it's great?

444
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:28,160
Speaker 8: I don't.

445
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Speaker 5: I didn't say I thought it was great, But I

446
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 5: think I think there's some after did you read the article,

447
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 5: I mean there are.

448
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 2: Some a lot of other coverages.

449
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Speaker 5: Okay, I mean there's some.

450
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Speaker 2: Are you starting.

451
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 5: There's some people that also were against it, like heavy birders,

452
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 5: heavy people involved in.

453
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Speaker 1: Oh, and they're like, well at first I didn't like it,

454
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Speaker 1: but now it's like they got with the program.

455
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Speaker 5: They got with the program. Yeah, they understood.

456
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Speaker 2: I don't care what they say.

457
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Speaker 5: I think for us being white males, that skews our

458
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Speaker 5: view of things like this big time, because I don't

459
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Speaker 5: think that you or I have ever felt excluded from

460
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Speaker 5: a lot of these things that we do in the

461
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Speaker 5: outdoors that we've excluded. Yeah.

462
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Speaker 1: You know, my buddy was telling this whole story to

463
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Speaker 1: my buddy Alex yesterday, and he said, he.

464
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Speaker 2: Goes, that's right.

465
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Speaker 12: Man.

466
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Speaker 1: When I look up a bird and realize it's named

467
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Speaker 1: after a white guy, I always think.

468
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Speaker 6: Go team. Well didn't they don't they say in here

469
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Speaker 6: that one of these birds is like named after Hitler,

470
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Speaker 6: Like if we can all agree on something.

471
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Speaker 1: Well, I haven't given my spiel yet. My spiel isn't

472
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: just eye roll. It's like I have a real spiel now.

473
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Speaker 5: Something I didn't think about, but I was mentioned in

474
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Speaker 5: this article that I think would make it much easier

475
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Speaker 5: just to be a general birder as opposed to being like,

476
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Speaker 5: have to remember that the gambles quail has such and

477
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Speaker 5: such characteristics. If they changed the name to reflect those characteristics,

478
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Speaker 5: it would be easier for me to remember and then

479
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Speaker 5: in the future identify that bird.

480
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Speaker 1: I agree they should have done that in the past.

481
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Speaker 1: They should have done that in the past. The mulder

482
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Speaker 1: is a great example. It's got big ears like a

483
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Speaker 1: mule got it, but the coups dear. It just sucks

484
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Speaker 1: that it got that guy's name. But that's its name.

485
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Speaker 5: I'm done tell us why.

486
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Speaker 2: Here's here's my issue.

487
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Speaker 1: I used to play ball with the American Ornithological Society

488
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Speaker 1: when the American Ornithological Society came in and said, you

489
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Speaker 1: know what, we've been calling these birds blue grouse, but

490
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Speaker 1: in fact we're capturing these two divergent species. When we

491
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Speaker 1: say blue grouse, there's the dusky in the sooty and uh,

492
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Speaker 1: they have a different call. One of them tends to

493
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Speaker 1: strut and display on the ground. One of them tends

494
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Speaker 1: to strut and display in a tree. They make a

495
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: different noise. The I COM's different, totally different habits, right,

496
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: not a lot of bleed over between the two. So

497
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Speaker 1: we have decided that based on these criteria, there's actually

498
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Speaker 1: a sooti grouse on the coast and a dusky grouse

499
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Speaker 1: in the interior, and we're splitting them. I was like,

500
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: that's great, that's great one of that case. It's like,

501
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: you looked across the spectrum of birdiness you decided this

502
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Speaker 1: is the case.

503
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Speaker 2: There's another bird.

504
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Speaker 1: There's a bird called an old squaw, a duck called

505
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Speaker 1: an old squaw. Someone at a point. There's been a

506
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Speaker 1: lot of there's been a lot of movement over the years.

507
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many squaw peaks became something different.

508
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,719
Speaker 1: People used to call salmon candy squaw candy. It's like

509
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: there's just this general movement away from a term, even

510
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Speaker 1: though the term was used by Native peoples. There's a

511
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: movement away from a term that has been deemed to

512
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Speaker 1: be derogatory. So the old squaw became the long tailed duck,

513
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: the squaw fish became the northern pike.

514
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Speaker 2: Minno and I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, I get it

515
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: to go in and do this.

516
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: Under the pretext of what they're saying, they're saying that

517
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: it's exclusionary, meaning that well, first off, you have to

518
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: ask yourself, just take a step back from it. What

519
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: is a birder. It's like, it's very hard to define

520
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: a birder because we don't have the same term for

521
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: a person. We don't have the same term for fish,

522
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: we don't have the same term for mammals. So a birder,

523
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Speaker 1: I would gather, means you are an individual who's interested

524
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Speaker 1: in birds. And if you're interested in fish, like if

525
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: I see a fish that I don't know what it is,

526
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: I'm damn sure interested in finding out what the fish is,

527
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: but there's no word for that. You're just a whatever

528
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: the hell, You're just a person. If I see a

529
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: mammal and I'm in a new area and I'm like,

530
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: what the hell was that? I want to go find

531
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: out what it is, but there's no name for that.

532
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: So birding has sort of created that there's a thing

533
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: called birding, and it's being interested in bird as I gather,

534
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: they're proposing here that an individual who's not previously interested

535
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: in birds. I mean they they've been inspired by life

536
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: to become interest in birds. They decide that they want

537
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: to become interested in birds, so like, you know what,

538
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to become more interest in birds. And they

539
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: see a bird fly by and they're like, what in

540
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: the hell was that bird? This is the This is

541
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: the reasoning that the Ornithological Society thinks that people are

542
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: going through. I'm an individual and I see a bird

543
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: go by. I'm like, well, look at that crazy, purple, iridescent,

544
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: loud ass bird go by. I'm like, I'm gonna find

545
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: out what that bird was. So I start looking through

546
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: my bird book and I'm go like, oh shit, it's

547
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: a Stellar's jay. What they're saying here is that individual

548
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: goes who's this stellar? Feller of white birders don't know

549
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: who Stellar was, but they're saying an individual is going

550
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, a Stellar's j I wonder what

551
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: the etymology of that is. And then they're gonna look

552
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, here he is. He's this guy

553
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: and he went to the Arctic and has a name

554
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: to sea Lion, and a and a this and that

555
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: after himself. Oh he's a white male.

556
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: Fuck that bird I'm getting out of birding. I just like,

557
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: there's no way that's happening.

558
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 6: That's a partial.

559
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: Is your connection to birding so tenuous?

560
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 13: I don't think that's the main because the white guy

561
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 13: the main threast. I think it's like a waste is

562
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 13: immortalizing someone in like in in some way that maybe

563
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 13: I'm not gonna say, I'm not gonna throw my ball

564
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 13: in whichever direction is going, but it's imortalizing someone who

565
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 13: maybe shouldn't be immortalized in that way. I think it's

566
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 13: more they're like, no, I'm gonna look out who this

567
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 13: guy is. I'm like, oh, maybe, yes.

568
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 6: Thank you over simplifying this, Stephen, because it's a fun

569
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 6: argument for you, which is a theme we've experienced in

570
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 6: the past. A seventy bird species A yeah, sure, mayga,

571
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 6: seven hundred whatever.

572
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: Birds.

573
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Speaker 6: Part of this right is like when we look at

574
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 6: the squaw fish to northern pike Minno, there's a rebranding

575
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 6: on behalf of the species right to where you had

576
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 6: an association with this species that could be causing that

577
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 6: species harm. And then when with that rebrand the idea

578
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 6: is there's a a larger respect that comes along with

579
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 6: the rebrand, it gets a facelift, and then.

580
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: They put they put a bounty on it in its

581
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: native waters.

582
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Speaker 6: Well in some places. Right, But that's a huge different

583
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 6: We can pick a different deal if you want, right,

584
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 6: but you do understand what I'm saying. When we then

585
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 6: have an association with something that has like a very well, uh,

586
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 6: everybody has a negative opinion of a certain that could

587
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 6: then have a negative effect on that species, which would

588
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 6: be a pro for a rebrand. In my opinion, there's

589
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 6: a big difference between well being like, oh, it's anti

590
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 6: white people.

591
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: No, there's a big difference between the word squaw in

592
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: the word stellar.

593
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Speaker 6: Which is not my argument at all. Yeah, Okay, absolutely

594
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 6: they're spelled different. Both have in them. That's good. But

595
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 6: the flip side here is for history, every time you

596
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 6: do come across something like this, like we had, you know,

597
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 6: great discussions on the renaming of Mount Gore, right, and

598
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 6: that brings into light that individual's history again when these

599
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 6: conversations come up, and I think that that's incredibly valuable,

600
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 6: so valuable that we may not want to change these

601
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 6: names because it would be removing this spotlight that circles

602
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 6: back around on the past actions of these people, and

603
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 6: that's what history is about, is going back and relearning

604
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 6: and seeing where we are in time and try not

605
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 6: to make those same mistakes. But some people, at the

606
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 6: end of the day are just giant assholes, and I

607
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 6: say they shouldn't be associated with anything.

608
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: That's not the criteria here.

609
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: I think again, the criteria here is focusing on very

610
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: very shotgun approach.

611
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: It's a very shotgun approach they could have. I don't know, there.

612
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: Could be an Abe Lincoln bird and they're gonna throw

613
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: out the Abe lincolnbird's brain to draw, right, it's.

614
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: A ridiculous line to draw. It's distracting.

615
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, uh, people for the ethical treatment

616
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: of animals, they will often do things to generate headlines, right,

617
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: because the way that they get coverage, They get coverage

618
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: oftentimes from an opposing perspective, who covers Pete under the

619
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Speaker 1: oh my god, what will they do now next? Right,

620
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: So Peter will pick a thing that that just seems

621
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: sort of outlandish because it puts them in the news cycle.

622
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: It's like inconsequential outlandish, and you know it'll get tons

623
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: of coverage because the coverage will be holy smokes. These

624
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: people are crazy and they feed that narrative because that's

625
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: just just.

626
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 6: Can't beat a dead horse, you feed a fed horse

627
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 6: or something. They did they yep, yeah, all all.

628
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: They They came out of the thing that we have

629
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: a lot of sayings more than one way to skin

630
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: a cat, and they're like, we need to stop using

631
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: all these sayings because these sayings are and they get

632
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: tons of you'd get people talking about it, because even

633
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: if they're talking about it negatively, they're still talking about

634
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: it and it creates a conversation. I feel that this

635
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: move is coming from a pr person. It's coming from

636
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: a person who is generating, who's creating noise for the

637
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: sake of creating noise. It's like, I find that there's

638
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: a much bigger problem of people seeing a bird and

639
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: not knowing what they're looking at and not caring. Then

640
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: I do that they do a bunch of diligence and

641
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: find out that it's named after an individual, that they're

642
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: gonna wind up not liking it.

643
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 13: What do they have to gain from making noise? It's

644
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 13: not like Peter. What does the ornithological society have to gain.

645
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: For They probably like to be in the news. They

646
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: are probably very excited. I'm not saying it's like they

647
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: would be excited about conversations like this.

648
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Speaker 9: What I what I don't like about it, man is

649
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 9: uh and I didn't read this article at all, and

650
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 9: from Yanni's perspective, and it's right, I am coming at

651
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 9: it from a you know, Montana born and raised white kid.

652
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 9: But you're you're kind of like leaving it up to

653
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 9: this society to dictate what they think is right or

654
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 9: wrong in history too.

655
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, so like they didn't the birds in the

656
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: first one.

657
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Speaker 9: They're they're deciding what names, uh we should be able

658
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Speaker 9: to like attribute to animals species or not, which in

659
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 9: my opinion, like it's very well not in my opinion,

660
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 9: it gets very political right on behalf of whatever there

661
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 9: kind of their personal direction is like what about rivers?

662
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 10: What if we started doing the same thing with rivers?

663
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 10: Jefferson river goes away?

664
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Speaker 1: People get mad when you do this because you go like, well,

665
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: what will happen when Washington d C isn't Washington d C?

666
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: And then go like, well, now you're just doing like

667
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: trickle down, what's next?

668
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 6: And slippery slope?

669
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: Slippery slope. I don't like to do all that, but

670
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: you do wonder. Here's what here. I don't want to

671
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: I want to talk about I want to talk about

672
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: riding crazy horses, but I mean, I want to talk

673
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: about this too. But finally, there's this, there's this idea

674
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: that this is the thing I like, I'm honestly curious about.

675
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: If you get to if you the we have the constitution,

676
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: we have a constitution that protects free it codifies free speech. Okay,

677
00:33:59,040 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: so you have this this.

678
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: Document that paves the way for free speech and paves

679
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: the way for a separation of powers, and paves the

680
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: way for a separation of church and state. And then

681
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: you go and say, but we're gonna get rid of

682
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: any kind of marking of the individuals that did it,

683
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: because they're bad people from the beginning. At what point

684
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: do you also ditch the thing they made and what

685
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: do you replace it with. So if you say, there

686
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: can't be a bird named after this guy, that's horrible.

687
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: There shouldn't be a statue of this guy because that's horrible.

688
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: There shouldn't be a talent of this guy because that's horrible.

689
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: In fact, but what about the fact that we're living

690
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: under a document that they created. At what point is

691
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: that horrible and what is the alternative guiding national principle

692
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: when you ditch all aspects of these people because there's

693
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: things about them he didn't like, at what point do

694
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: you go, like, and not only that, but all this

695
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: stuff about like freedom of the press, free speech.

696
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: Being uh, you know, double jeopardy, having your house seized

697
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: by the military to store soldiers, Like, at what point

698
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: is all that kind of stupid? Because the people that

699
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: made it were bad people. I just think it's like.

700
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's a I think it's a largely

701
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: kind of a it's just like this, like it's an

702
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: exercise and divisiveness.

703
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 13: Well, in theory, you can amend that document. You know,

704
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 13: it's very difficult to do. But I'm like, you know,

705
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 13: it's not like.

706
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: Well, you can amend it only by the rules of

707
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: the document.

708
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, true, that's true.

709
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so that is laid out in the document.

710
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a there's only so far you can

711
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: go with this before you run up against the real wall.

712
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: Well, if there was a bird called the Rommels bird.

713
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 6: We can agree that the distance of how far you

714
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 6: can go is a big, big difference. Distance between changing

715
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 6: the name of a bird and tearing up the US Constitution.

716
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 6: That is a long way. That is so far of

717
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 6: a long way that I would say we will never

718
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 6: ever ever get there.

719
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 2: I think that you'll. I think that in your lifetime

720
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: it will be toyed with.

721
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 6: I think it's been toyed with since it was written.

722
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: Be toid with from a different angle. I don't want

723
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: to conflate that with this bird thing. I think the

724
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: birth thing is like, you can't just all of a sudden,

725
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: you can't just all of a sudden do it. It's

726
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: going to create an earther thing like this.

727
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: You know, when years ago.

728
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: I was when I was working on a writing project

729
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: and I was with some guys from the Buffalo Field Campaign. Okay,

730
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: this is a whole other angle. This is a whole

731
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: of their annoyance I have with this name a thing.

732
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: It was with some guys in the Buffalo Field Campaign.

733
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: So the Buffalo Field Campaign is they're there. They were

734
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: a preservation organization. The world got a little bit too

735
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: complicated for them, but at a time it wasn't too

736
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: complicated for them, and they were a fairly active preservation

737
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: organization for the American bison. But they called it the

738
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: old time he word buffalo, which was around hundreds of

739
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: years before anybody ever thought to say the American bison.

740
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Speaker 1: So I'm with a guy from the Buffalo Field campaign

741
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: and I see off in the distance a bunch of

742
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: pronghorn and I said, oh, there's some antelope, and he said,

743
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: it's actually a prong horn. I'm like, well, it's actually

744
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: not the buffalo. So to have to go through that

745
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: now seventy or eighty times more than you have to

746
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: go through it now. In all the conversations you have

747
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: with some old ass duck hunter who went out and

748
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: shot an old squad, you gotta be like, oh, you know,

749
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: actually it's a you know, it's a long tailed duck.

750
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: I don't know if you caught word, but just think

751
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. It's a distraction.

752
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, but man, we may never ever ever be faced

753
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 6: with that distraction. Of these seventy species, how many do

754
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 6: you interact with frequently?

755
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: Quite a few.

756
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: The stellar's j I count among my favorite birds, and

757
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: the English sparrow.

758
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: What happens to his ass? Yeah, I can among the sellers.

759
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: You among my favorite birds. Uh, moving on, here's an

760
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: interesting letter. There's a guy so guy wrote in he was.

761
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Speaker 1: Him and his buddies are all Special Operations veterans, and

762
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: they lately have gotten into going into landlocked hunting, landlocked

763
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: private land, and they've done it with aircraft public land.

764
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: Sorry, what did I say?

765
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 11: Landlocked public land?

766
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: Sorry, they have they have become they have become enthusiasts

767
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: of hunting landlocked public land, meaning public land you can't

768
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: access by walking or driving because it's surrounded by private land.

769
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: And they were using.

770
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Speaker 1: They would pitch together money and just get a helicopter

771
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: to land them in these certain areas they wanted to hunt.

772
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: But they found that like landing, the helicopter's very intrusive, noisy,

773
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: can draw a lot of attention. And they all hold uh.

774
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: And they're all former.

775
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: Military guys, so they they've been.

776
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: Bailing out of helicopters at seven to ten thousand feet

777
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: in parachuting into land where they want to hunt, and

778
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: then they just get picked up later by the helicopters.

779
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: So they land parachuting and in classic special operator fashion,

780
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: their eyes are all blacked out in the pictures. But

781
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: he's got here. He parachuted in and he's got a

782
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: grip and grin with his antelope that he killed with

783
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: his parachute in the background.

784
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: Oh, actually, there's a wils A way.

785
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 11: I'm reading his email. It does his landlocked private land.

786
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 11: But I think he meant to say because that wouldn't

787
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 11: make any sense.

788
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

789
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 9: But like we've talked about this, like on the technical

790
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 9: gear side, like how we always what we do all

791
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 9: year round is talk about how we go and kill critters,

792
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 9: like we game it all year Can you imagine being

793
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 9: an antelope in this picture and you look up and

794
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 9: you see some sky like some guys jumping out of

795
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 9: a helicopter coming into and be like when does it end?

796
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 9: Like God, it's cool, though.

797
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into the birds control thing

798
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: on deercs that's been talked about a lot. Also from

799
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 1: a high level, I think that it's interesting. So urban

800
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: suburban environments where you have a lot of uh like

801
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: too many deer, over abundance of deer from the standpoint

802
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: of property damage, vehicular collisions, all these different issues. These

803
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: guys have been having some luck with contraceptives in Canada

804
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: and they bring up an interesting point in the article

805
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought of. When you do a culling operation.

806
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: If it's good habitat and you do a culling operation,

807
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: what do you what do you imagine happens after you

808
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: kill them all?

809
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: Like other ones just move in.

810
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: But they're saying through this, through this experimentation, work to

811
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: doing with contraceptives is you keep the landscape occupied, but

812
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: they just can't reproduce and it's less inviting to new

813
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: animals coming in because you have these like dominant breeding

814
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: age animals around.

815
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 6: What's their plan for administering the contraceptives?

816
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 2: The dark one?

817
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 6: Right?

818
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I've heard about, is like who

819
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 2: darted what? And it's complicated. You know. I always look

820
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: at my eyes, like.

821
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's probably people whould pay money to go hunt

822
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: those deer, and they is in this article, like in

823
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: Oak Bay. You cannot have people running around hunting just

824
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: isn't gonna.

825
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: It's not workable. So that's that's the thing.

826
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: A guy wrote in a very spirited bottle of our

827
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: conversation around Catalina Island mules. He's a biologist who's been

828
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: working out on the Let me first, let me first

829
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 1: give a quick thing. So on Catalina Island they have, uh,

830
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: there's a herd of buffalo out there, which are brought

831
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: out there.

832
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: For some movie that like in the early days of cinema.

833
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: I can't remember when they brought there's a herd of

834
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: buffalo out there, and there's a bunch of mule deer

835
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: out there, and I talked about, well, why not just

836
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: have people go hunt them?

837
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: Who wouldn't want to go hunt these mule deer?

838
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: And why why sharpshoot him with helicopters when you can

839
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: just you know, lower their populations with hunters. He writes

840
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: in a couple of thoughts on why that's not why

841
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: that doesn't work quite the way you think it did.

842
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: So he's been out he's been working on the California

843
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: Channel Islands for twenty five years.

844
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: He's a biologist.

845
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: He thought he'd add a few things around the deer

846
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: cold issue. Santa Cataline I'm quoting him. Santa Catalina Island

847
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: is completely private property, either owned by the Santa Catalina

848
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: Island Company eleven percent is owned by the Wrigley family

849
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: chewing gum so owned by the Santa Catalina Island Company,

850
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: the Catalina Island Conservancy, or people who own houses an avalon.

851
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: There's no public land whatsoever. So I know that was

852
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: pretty confusing. But the conservancy has eighty eight percent of

853
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: the land. One percent of the land is just Joe

854
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: Blow people who own houses in the town. Eleven percent

855
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: of the land is the Wrigley family, Okay, Charley private land.

856
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: He says, they got about two thousand melier on the island. Now,

857
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: they've been giving out four hundred tags per year. Every year,

858
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty of those tags are filled.

859
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: Check this out.

860
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: There are four thousand residents on the island. Twenty of

861
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: them get a deer, so they're killing four hundred tags.

862
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: They're killing two hundred and forty meal deer a year.

863
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: And as in terms of why not just let the

864
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: locals shoot them? Of the four thousand locals, two hundred

865
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: and forty, I'm sorry, of the four thousand locals, twenty

866
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: get a deer. He says that DIY hunting out there

867
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: doesn't really work. One, you can't rent a car. It's

868
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: hard to even get out of town if you're not

869
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 1: a resident because you're on the private property. Steep roads,

870
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: long distances, there's no way to get there's no refrigeration

871
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: facilities to keep meat cold, and there's no way.

872
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: There's no easy way to quickly get it back.

873
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: Onto the mainland because he's using the ferry system to

874
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: transport them. He says, Thus, for these reasons, guided hunts

875
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: are the rule. There's no there's no path forward in

876
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: his in this guy's opinion, there's no like realistic path

877
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: forward for diy meal deer hunts out there. Meal deer

878
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: were brought to the island less than one hundred years ago.

879
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: Private landowners brought them there and put them on private

880
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: land to hunt them. They were brought from California mainland,

881
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: and that is why the California Department of Fishing Wildlife

882
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: has jurisdiction. All the land is privately owned and the

883
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: private landowners who own all the land. So again here

884
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: we are.

885
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: These guys own eighty eight percent of the ground and

886
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: they want the deer off their land. But they're holding

887
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: California Department of Fishing Game responsible for their deer, and

888
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: the Conservancy is paying to eradicate the deer. There is

889
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: no state or federal money involved. The deer also do

890
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 2: not belong to the people of Avalon, meaning the people

891
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: who live on the island.

892
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: Just like a deer eating someone's garden does not belong

893
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: to someone driving by on the road, and he goes

894
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: on to say that deer have docu manted negative impacts

895
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: a native plants and animals which are only found so endemics,

896
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: only found on the California Channel Islands. The islands are

897
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: the quote Galopagos of North America, specifically because they have

898
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: those unique plants and animals. He says they also use

899
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: this term to market tourism. He says there are a

900
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: lot of meal deer on the mainland. If the deer

901
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: and other non native animals and plants are not controlled

902
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: on and preferably moved removed from the islands, eventually the

903
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: islands will look just like the mainland.

904
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: The island's distinctiveness will be lost. Then he has a

905
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: couple sum ups, basically him, Sam got that all wrong.

906
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 6: Good point, Yeah, I mean private deer, right, is what

907
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 6: it amounts.

908
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: To trail cam CHATTICKI this is a phenomenal one, even

909
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: though Chester's not here. The reason I say this is

910
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: phenom because I recently heard someone say this. This guy

911
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: hunts public land in Texas often comes across trail cameras. Okay,

912
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: so again he's on public land, he comes across trail camera.

913
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: I often come across.

914
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: He this is a quote.

915
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: I often come across trail cameras, which on most public

916
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: land spots are not supposed to be left for more

917
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: than twenty four hours or beyond your hunt. He carries

918
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: his own SD car read as SD card reader.

919
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: In his pack. He likes to pull the camera since

920
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: it's sitting there anyway. He likes to pull the camera

921
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: and have a Looxie the card.

922
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: Sorry, he likes to pull the card and have a

923
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: Lookxie puts everything back the way he founds it is

924
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: this poor etiquette if it's on public land, I say,

925
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: everybody's got a right to look. I would say the same,

926
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: it seems weird, but like after kicking it around, I

927
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: would say, like, like, for instance, if you put a

928
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: pop up blind somewhere and that's not your yeah, it

929
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: doesn't claim your area. You put a tree stand in

930
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: a tree that doesn't claim your tree. We're hunting public

931
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma, and there's a tree that you look and

932
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: be like any person on the planet's gonna put a

933
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: tree stand in that tree.

934
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: And you go there and there's all kinds of.

935
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: Hooks and nails and shit, till over the years, everybody

936
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: their brothers hunting this one tree over a water hole,

937
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: support a tree stand there.

938
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: It doesn't claim it.

939
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 11: Uh So it's like you forfeit your ownership of the

940
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 11: material you paid for once you put it on public land.

941
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: I see both sides.

942
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be hard to go by with with

943
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: an SD reader and not check it.

944
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: Oh so you agree, I think it feels Here's here's

945
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: the thing is like half the cameras I set out,

946
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: I don't turn them on.

947
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: Right. You had one out for a whole year. Oh

948
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: I put one out for a whole ye and all

949
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 2: year all I talked about.

950
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: My wife's like, oh my god, if you stop talking

951
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: about stupid camera stuff, you're gonna have on that camera.

952
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: You know, after a whole year out there, and I

953
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: go like, dah, forgot to turn it out. Try again

954
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: this year. Uh So there's that.

955
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, you know, if they put it

956
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,479
Speaker 1: all back the way they found it and tidy everything

957
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: up and turn it back on.

958
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 2: I would feel it's one of those things that.

959
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: It's one of those things that I get it, But

960
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I would personally do it because I

961
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: would feel so weird, have my hand caught in the

962
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: cookie jar because you're on the camera. Well, yeah, the camera,

963
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: you can sneak around, stumble across one, like the odds

964
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: are there.

965
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 2: Because I'm like what, there's like how many degree radius

966
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: of your passing right?

967
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 6: I've waved it a lot of trail cams in my day. Yeah.

968
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 12: Yeah.

969
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 9: The best like video would be you seeing it going

970
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 9: and checking the card and then setting up a blind

971
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 9: right in front of.

972
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 2: It because the card was so good right here.

973
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 6: Or you could pretend to be a deer and like

974
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 6: go down there and put your little lips up to

975
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 6: the water, do a little splashing. Yeah, that'd be fun.

976
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have Oh, he has one of those

977
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: sign off things you know when you're.

978
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 2: On a forum. All the old men have a sign off.

979
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: They're like forty four mag because shooting yeah more than once,

980
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 2: stupid or yeah.

981
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 11: I kept that in there for you because I knew

982
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 11: you'd pay attention to it. It like colors his character, right.

983
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: His his sign off is for God gave us a

984
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: spirit not of fear, but of power and love and

985
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 2: self control, self control, self.

986
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 8: But he's powerful and not afraid.

987
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: So uh this one, uh even though chedick is not here.

988
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: We usually like to give like when we do these, well,

989
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: sometimes remember to do a little quick a quick survey,

990
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: a quick panel.

991
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

992
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: I don't think it's bad, but I wouldn't do it, zeke.

993
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: I mean I probably wouldn't check it, just because I

994
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't have a card reader with me. But if

995
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 3: I had the card reader, I mean I might.

996
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 5: But if you start a hunting public land a bunch.

997
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: If public, I don't know that that's a tricky one.

998
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 3: I'd probably have my own camera out there check.

999
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: Yet.

1000
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm I'm the same way. I don't think I

1001
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 8: would have a card reader, you know. Okay, okay, let

1002
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 8: me back up. You do, Okay, I do, but let's

1003
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 8: not have that.

1004
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 2: Well, I don't what of my fingers are so cold

1005
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 2: that I don't have the deck stare.

1006
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 8: There's so many this Like had I been in the

1007
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 8: mountains for say, nine days, looking and hadn't seen anything,

1008
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 8: and I had like found this area and I'm like,

1009
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 8: the bucks are here, they gotta be here, and I

1010
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 8: stumbled across the trail camera. Oh golly, would be hard

1011
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 8: not to look. But I have off and fantasized about

1012
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 8: finding a trail camera and then shooting a big animal

1013
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 8: like right in front of it on camera, like I

1014
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 8: got it. I beat you here, you're at work. I'm

1015
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 8: not guess what I win.

1016
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 6: You can make a little note and say like, please

1017
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 6: send me the photos.

1018
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 2: Right, can I have the photos of.

1019
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 8: You're welcome to come to my house for a beer

1020
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 8: and like look at it on the wall.

1021
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 6: Like that.

1022
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1023
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 8: I've never done the mental gymnastics on this question, but.

1024
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 6: If I were in an area with a high trail

1025
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 6: cam density, I'd pack a card reader with me. And

1026
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 6: it's public land, I mean that's yeah. I'll be like,

1027
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 6: if you want to leave it out here, to your point,

1028
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 6: it's on public right, Yeah, but.

1029
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 2: You feel obligated to put it back the way you

1030
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: found it.

1031
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 6: Yeah for sure, Oh yeah, for sure I wouldn't. Yeah,

1032
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 6: I you know, you got to like let people know

1033
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 6: because a trail cam is a I've told many people like, hey,

1034
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 6: do not put a trail cam there if you think

1035
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 6: that is an awesome spot, because then it's an indicator

1036
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 6: to other people that somebody's paying attention to that spot

1037
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 6: for a reason.

1038
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: Or let's say they think it through even more like

1039
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: he's got a trail camera here, but he's not here.

1040
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: It must not be any good mm mmm, because he

1041
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: would know. M.

1042
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, you don't put trail cameras in bad spots.

1043
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: Yeah I have.

1044
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 6: We put Buddy mine killed the ball archere season and

1045
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 6: bob tons of grizzlies around, put a trail cam on

1046
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 6: the on the carcass just to get grizzly photos, and

1047
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 6: swung by the carcass, saw a sow and two cubs

1048
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 6: on the carcass from a respectable distance, and we were

1049
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 6: with your own two eyes, yeah, salivating over how cool

1050
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 6: these photos were going to be. Because of the grizzly activity,

1051
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 6: we couldn't pick it up the same week we were hunting,

1052
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 6: so I had to leave it for safety reasons. Came

1053
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 6: back a couple months later and got the camera and

1054
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 6: the only thing you see is this cow elk come in,

1055
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 6: mess with it, messes with the camera, rotates the camera around.

1056
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 6: We got nothing, We got just that nose in there.

1057
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 12: It was such a bummer.

1058
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 6: I was like, we're gonna, there's gonna We're gonna have

1059
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 6: these pictures on outdoor Life, you know, a long time ago.

1060
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 3: It's funny.

1061
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 11: I wouldn't I wouldn't mess with it. I like mystery.

1062
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 2: Hmm. Yeah, take a totally different angle, Garrett.

1063
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 9: I'm in it for the meat man. I'd check that

1064
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 9: camera all day. I'm out there to kill stuff. Well,

1065
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 9: I wouldn't check it all day, but I would definitely.

1066
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 9: It's a public land, like, don't met I'd rather somebody

1067
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 9: check it than screw with my camera, like I've had

1068
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 9: cameras taken before.

1069
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, or steal your camera.

1070
00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1071
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 5: I'm right along with Garrett, a buddy of mine who's

1072
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 5: hunts not far from our place in Wisconsin on public

1073
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 5: land a lot as well. He was just telling me

1074
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 5: that he did this exact thing, and he thinks that

1075
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 5: the advent of these cellular cameras now that have GPS

1076
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 5: systems within them so you can actually track your camera

1077
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 5: and it's meant to be used as like oh I

1078
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 5: said it and I forgot it where I put it?

1079
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 5: Now someone Well, yeah, but so now people are realizing

1080
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 5: that they have these systems in them, so he feels

1081
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 5: like there's a lot less stealing of these GPS enabled

1082
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 5: cell cameras going on out there, which is a nice thing,

1083
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 5: which again in his mind, he was like, yeah, I'd

1084
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 5: much rather someone just checks my card versus takes my

1085
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 5: three hundred dollars camera.

1086
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: My this is not I have to pulled that conversation.

1087
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: But I have two trail can pictures I've gotten that

1088
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm proud of.

1089
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: I have.

1090
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: I show you the odter carrying the trout, which I

1091
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: like a lot. And then I have a bear on

1092
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve wading through the snow.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's nice.

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Speaker 5: Yep Year's e These are not.

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00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 9: It was that same It was the same camera that

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00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 9: you left on you didn't have on all year.

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Speaker 2: No by that one.

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Speaker 5: I gotta tell you a story about a dead deer

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00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 5: picture that I saw, grip and grim. I didn't believe

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00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 5: it at first, but then I got the pictures and

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00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 5: I left my phone upstairs. I didn't have the issues

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00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 5: of you know, messing with our MIC's in here. I'll

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00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 5: show you later, but just listen up here. This dude

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00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 5: shoots a buck from a distance. He can see there's

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00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 5: something around its neck like the bucks obviously been entangled

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00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 5: in some in something. Turns out that it's like that

1107
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 5: electrical wire that you'd use to or like tape that

1108
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 5: you run around to like electrify offence. You know what

1109
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 5: I mean, it's like a wired tape. Yeah, so it's

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00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 5: pretty tough stuff. Within that tape around his neck are

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00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 5: the deer's antlers from the previous year. No, they're not.

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00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 5: It's not a giant bar. But like he got his

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00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 5: sheds sheds. Yeah, so it's hard to say whether, like

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00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 5: old Tuper, if he got it like stuck in the

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00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 5: antlers first and then it sort of worked its way

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00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 5: onto its neck you know later Sure as it all

1117
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 5: came down.

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00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: That's phenomenal. And you're like, well, how do you know

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00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,479
Speaker 2: that was from that buck?

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Speaker 8: You'd have to shoulder mount that deer exactly as you shot.

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00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 2: It's that's great.

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00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: One last little thing, this is this is a this

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Speaker 1: is a I'm bringing this one up because it's it's

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00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: a it's a great, it's a it's a lost words.

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Speaker 1: Brings up a lot of complexities. So the wolverine in

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Speaker 1: the lower forty eight is uh Endangered Species Act protections

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00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: are imminent. This is an interesting one because you're operating

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Speaker 1: on the animals so poorly understood that you're you're you're

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00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: sort of admitting that you're operating on a bit of

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00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: assumption that here you have this animal that lives at

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00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: extremely low densities. Even in the best of times, no

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00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: one has ever had an adequate way to count them,

1133
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: so you can't demonstrate an actual decline. But you have

1134
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: to look at the writing on the wall and be like,

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00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: this ain't good, meaning there are so few wolverines and

1136
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: none of the things that are happening, meaning development, loss

1137
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: of habitat, warming environments, like, none of the things that

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00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: are happening are going to do these things any good.

1139
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: And it's guesswork how many there were. It's guesswork how

1140
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: many there are. But people are looking at being like, man,

1141
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: it's gotta be bad. And so you have an animal

1142
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: not who's population in dynamics and ecology is not at

1143
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: all well understood.

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00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 2: Moving to yes a protection.

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Speaker 1: The one thing about this this is uh, I'm always

1146
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: telling people to read Osborne and Russell's Journal of a Trapper.

1147
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: It was really in the end of Osborne Russell's Journal

1148
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: of a Trapper he has these little synopsies of animals,

1149
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: just kind of observations about animals. And it's so funny

1150
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: because that dude calls wolverine's abundant or common common animal,

1151
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: and you're like, what in the helmet, like you know

1152
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: what I mean?

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00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: Was it? Was it a typo? Did you know? Who?

1154
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: What did he mean? But he says common a common animal,

1155
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: a wolverine or was he just from the eighteen hundreds

1156
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: or was he like, I'm such a badass common to.

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Speaker 6: Me years and years ago as guiding out a glacier

1158
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 6: and had a wolverine climbed down a cliff in front

1159
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 6: of us, swim the river. Got it on on video

1160
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 6: at the time. I'm back and backing a camera with

1161
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 6: me a lot climb up the other side of the cliff,

1162
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 6: middle fork of the flathead, real narrow gorge section, and

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01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 6: he sits up on top of that cliff and just

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01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 6: like cusses us out, hmm, but like unbelievable, make it

1165
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 6: what noise? Unbelievable just kind of like spitting and kind

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01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 6: of yeah, just like being a very ornery critter. I

1167
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 6: was kind of like, well, you chose to reveal yourself,

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01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 6: how is it our fault? Type of thing. Yeah, but

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Speaker 6: very very cool, And I thought, man, that's once in

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Speaker 6: a lifetime experience.

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01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: Probably almost like literally maybe once in lifetime experience.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the swimming, the whole thing A lot

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Speaker 6: of things. It is right, probably that The next June,

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Speaker 6: I'm in Alaska working a brown bear hunt on the

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Speaker 6: peninsula and it's a late late winter up there. Everything

1176
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 6: snowed in pretty bad bear season. But every single day

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Speaker 6: I saw multiple wolverines that for the first week of

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01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 6: that trip, multiple multiple wolverines. They were following us around,

1179
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 6: they were popping over snow banks. They seemed to be

1180
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 6: just like your general super inquisitive weasels, and you know,

1181
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 6: so I was kind of deflated from my previous wolverine experience.

1182
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 6: So I was like, well, apparently you can just go

1183
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 6: someplace and see a ton of wolverines every day.

1184
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is like when Osborne Russell was running around

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01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: here all those years ago. Was it that because if

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01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: that's the case, then they are hurting, or was it.

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Speaker 6: Because like you can go out on the last Peninsula

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01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 6: not see a wolverine all week. Was it just that

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01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 6: late onset winter we were hiking where the squirrels and

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01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 6: stuff were popping up, or maybe there was meat cashed

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01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 6: underneath those snow banks from slides or who knows, But

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Speaker 6: was there just a relatively unnatural concentration of wolverines at

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01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:05,919
Speaker 6: that time?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Well, you could have been seeing the same couple of

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01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 5: wolverines over and over too, right, Yeah, but unless they

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Speaker 5: had distinct markings, right right, Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: I was deflated when I learned that I grew up

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Speaker 1: in the wolverine state. And I was deflated when I

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Speaker 1: learned that. It's kind of like maybe.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, way, maybe now and then I was thinking

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01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 2: of you, but not thick. They weren't thick.

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Speaker 6: The other day, I was hiking to get water out

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01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 6: of this spring and full white ermine weasel was following

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01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 6: me around at the spring and I was making little

1206
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 6: mouse noisles and he came into like twenty yards and

1207
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Speaker 6: got to look at him through the ten by fifties,

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Speaker 6: just super awesome.

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01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 2: Already white, completely white on the ground.

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Speaker 6: Yep, pink little pads. Had his hands up like this.

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Speaker 12: Do they I get sense you want to move on.

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01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 2: But oh no, I'm good. This is interesting.

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Speaker 5: Do they like mention?

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Speaker 9: What you know, a wolverine being added to the endangered

1215
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 9: species list?

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01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 10: What that means?

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Speaker 1: Well, you can kind of look by. You can look

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01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: at some other examples, because, for instance, there's no hunting

1219
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: or trapping for wolverines in lower forty eight. So it's

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Speaker 1: not going to mean the cessation of those kind of activities.

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01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: But one thing that they'll do is so, for instance,

1222
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: with links, they create like these links protection zones which

1223
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: come with added restrictions on fur trapping to diminish the

1224
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: likelihood that a trapper might accidentally catch a links. And

1225
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: and even like even people involved in that are admit

1226
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: that they overdrew the map that at the time they

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01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: didn't understand links habitat, and so they got a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff rolled up into trapping prohibitions that never had

1229
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: and never will have a links on it. With the

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01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: wolverine stuff because they're they're like rock and ice, you know,

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01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: high country critters.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: I could picture that it might have implications for logging projects,

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01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: maybe have implications for road building, might have implications for mining,

1235
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 1: but I don't picture it bleeding over into hunting activities.

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01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, well, just to make this about me,

1237
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 9: like where I get nervous about this kind of stuff

1238
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 9: is one of the best snowmobile places like around this area.

1239
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 2: I would look for this to change.

1240
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 9: Was uh was up highlight right, Like you used to

1241
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 9: go up there and it was just like endless powder

1242
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 9: amazing riding. And I remember I was I was pretty

1243
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 9: young when it happened, but I remember one year my

1244
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 9: dad was like, well, we can't go there anymore because

1245
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 9: it got listed as a wilderness study area for wolverine.

1246
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 9: But it wasn't wilderness. It was just like they're like, well,

1247
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 9: we want to study if there.

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01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: Is a lot of wilderness study areas. Yeah. Yeah, But

1249
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: it was just like, but they sit in limbo.

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01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 9: It was just like overnight, all of a sudden, they

1251
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 9: were like, oh, there could be wolverine's here and we

1252
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 9: want to study it, which means and then you know,

1253
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 9: I don't want to get too political, but then it

1254
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 9: just like all of a sudden, they like they paved

1255
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 9: like this massive trail from one of the trailheads all

1256
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 9: the way up to the lake for cross country skiers,

1257
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 9: which was like ironic to us in terms of so

1258
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 9: just whenever I read this, just selfishly, I'm like, what

1259
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 9: does that mean for playing it there?

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01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: I could picture that there are certain high country snowmobile

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01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: areas that could I mean, I'm totally guessing I have

1262
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: no idea. I could picture that that would be potentially

1263
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: a thing we're trying to think about what might be

1264
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: a thing, and you know your observation, don't want to

1265
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: get political. I think that everything is political. Yeah, well

1266
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: people said, I don't want to get political. It's like

1267
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: everything's political. I don't want to get political. But I

1268
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: couldn't put my septic system where I wanted it.

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01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 5: That's politics.

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Speaker 1: It's political political, all right, Zeke Thurston. We covered when

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01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: when when when a bron rider becomes the old man,

1272
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 1: but we didn't cover how why as a young man

1273
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: did you get into bronc riding.

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01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 2: Can you hit some basic definitions too, just to help

1275
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 2: people understand, like what like like what that like you

1276
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 2: got the different event different rodeo events, what your event

1277
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 2: is and what sort of you know, what distinguishes the

1278
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 2: event you like to do.

1279
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so rodeo is made up of well you got

1280
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 3: like six major events and team roping is uh, I

1281
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 3: guess it's probably a major event now too. But at

1282
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,479
Speaker 3: the rough stock side of the arena, that's that's where

1283
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 3: you know we we perform or whatever.

1284
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 2: And you define that. To define the rough stock.

1285
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 3: Would be your riding events of like you got your

1286
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 3: bare back riding, saddle bront griding, and bull riding and then.

1287
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 2: Rough stock meaning like not broken.

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01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then for the timed vent side, they've you've

1289
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 3: got roping boxes or boxes and a shoot and that's

1290
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 3: where they team rope, caf rope bulldog and uh. And

1291
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 3: then the barrel racing has just run in the middle

1292
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 3: of the arena obviously. So for for my event, you

1293
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 3: get on a horse. You have a what you call

1294
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 3: bronchrain or a hack rein and that's what you hold

1295
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 3: you hold on to. It's connected to a halter that

1296
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 3: goes on the horse's head. We have a saddle. You

1297
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 3: have free swinging stirrups, so a foot in each side,

1298
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 3: and you got to keep your free arm up and

1299
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 3: you have to ride for eight seconds. It's a judged event,

1300
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 3: so there'll be judges on the arena floor.

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01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 3: They judge the horse and the rider. The like stipulations

1303
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 3: I guess is like you would you have to spur

1304
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 3: your horse out so that that means you have to

1305
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 3: have spur contact above the horse's shoulder the first jump

1306
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 3: out of the shoot when his front feet hit the ground,

1307
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 3: and then after that you try to pick up the

1308
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 3: horses timing, and you want to spur as high as

1309
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 3: you can set your feet in the neck in time

1310
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 3: with the horse white bucks. So the spur id just

1311
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 3: judged off of speed, spur contact, how high you spur?

1312
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 5: Is this spurring actually causing the bucking?

1313
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 3: No, No, the the animals are the animals are bred

1314
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 3: to buck like they're that's that's the way they are.

1315
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 6: But the animals judged because you don't get more points

1316
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 6: if the horse is having a bad day.

1317
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 3: No, no, you get you get less points.

1318
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, so that I always wondered about that. I

1319
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 2: didn't understand that. I didn't understand that. Well not yea,

1320
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 2: because there the horse is just like a like just

1321
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 2: comes out and stands there.

1322
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean obviously you don't get a reride.

1323
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but obvious. So so yeah, I don't need to rearticulate.

1324
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 2: But I've always wondered about how they calibrate that.

1325
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the judging criteria is from one to fifty.

1326
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 3: The horses judged off of how high he jumps in

1327
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 3: the air, how like how high is back end? You know,

1328
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 3: when he kicks, how high he's kicking.

1329
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 2: And measured these are measured things. Yeah.

1330
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and then obviously, like other factors come into

1331
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 3: like play, like speed, direction, change.

1332
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: I mean they like to see direction changes.

1333
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, like because that that makes the difficulty level go up. Right,

1334
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 3: So like your horses, you know, lands with his front

1335
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 3: feet over here, and then the next jump he you know,

1336
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 3: lands over here four feet. That's obviously a lot a

1337
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 3: lot harder to ride than one that's going straight chalk

1338
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 3: line straight, you know. So one to fifty for the

1339
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 3: for the bucking horse, and then one to fifty for

1340
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 3: the bronc grider, So total of one hundred points possible.

1341
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 2: Got it?

1342
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,719
Speaker 5: How do you get like assigned a horse?

1343
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 3: So it's a random draw. The judges at the rodeo

1344
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 3: will actually they do it in the prs A office

1345
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 3: three days prior to the rodeo. The stock contractor whoever

1346
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 3: is supplying stock or putting putting on the rodeo will

1347
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 3: send in their list of horses. So you got you know,

1348
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 3: you got your pool of bareback horses for the bareback riding,

1349
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 3: and then you have your saddle bron horses and then

1350
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 3: their bulls and the judge we'll go through there and

1351
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 3: draw just random drawing animal for each contestant that's entered

1352
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 3: in that rodeo?

1353
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: Is that a spectator event too?

1354
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 3: Like?

1355
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 2: Like do real insiders like to go watch the draw,

1356
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 2: like the way people pay attention to the way people

1357
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 2: pay attention to draft picks.

1358
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 3: No, nobody's in on the draw.

1359
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 2: Just just it just happened. Yeah, and they say, here's

1360
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: what happened.

1361
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you find out three days before what horse you have,

1362
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 3: and you decide if you're gonna go get on it

1363
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 3: or not? And do you deal?

1364
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: I got a question for you, honest, guess what an

1365
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: old you know how? I asked him how old a

1366
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: guy can be and still depete? Guess what old horses?

1367
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,759
Speaker 1: An old bronc old bucking horse. How long his career

1368
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: can be bucking horse?

1369
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1370
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,839
Speaker 3: Fifteen fifteen? No, that's they're just getting started at fifteen

1371
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 3: they had.

1372
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: He was telling me about a horse that was still

1373
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: kicking off pro riders at twenty four years of age.

1374
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 3: He said, they get better, oh, because they mean that's

1375
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 3: an old bucking horse for sure, but like their their career,

1376
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 3: their best years are.

1377
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 1: Is he aware that he has a career? I wonder,

1378
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: well the horses, like, what are you gonna do when

1379
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: this is all over?

1380
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 3: Man? He has reached like doctor the uh that horse

1381
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 3: I was telling you about those twenty four they what

1382
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 3: was his name, Sundance. They retired him that year he

1383
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 3: was retired, they didn't load him on the truck to

1384
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 3: go to the National Finals rodeo. The next day they

1385
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 3: found him out behind the shed and he had passed away. Oh,

1386
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 3: I bet had like a euphemism, he had passed passed away.

1387
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 3: But I bet if they loaded him on the truck,

1388
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 3: he probably would have still been ticking died of a

1389
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 3: broken heart. Thanks, I honestly think so he wanted to

1390
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 3: go to the big show. Yeah, they love it that much.

1391
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 3: They do, really, but like their best years are from

1392
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 3: ten to ten to eighteen.

1393
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: Se man me be a dumbass about this. I would

1394
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: have thought, for some reason that you find yourself like

1395
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: a three four year old horse and no one's ever

1396
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: been near, and he's gonna give the best ride he'll

1397
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: ever give the first time someone jumps on.

1398
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 9: Because that theory, that's that's because that's when we usually

1399
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 9: get bucked off of.

1400
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 3: That's when they start them. But that's no different than Brady,

1401
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 3: you know, training a puppy. It's gonna run out there

1402
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 3: and and mess up, you know, like there's lots of

1403
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 3: So that's what we call colts. And there's they're they're

1404
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 3: you know, they they've got it bred into them. They're

1405
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 3: really trying to buck. But there's they're trying to do

1406
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 3: too much. You know, they don't have a pattern, they

1407
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,640
Speaker 3: don't know what they're doing. So there's there's you know,

1408
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 3: they're they can do anything.

1409
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: So do you think they legit I mean you're saying

1410
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: this essentially, but they legit learned here's how I like

1411
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,719
Speaker 1: to get people off me. And I find that this works.

1412
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 1: I find that that works absolutely. They're smart.

1413
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 3: Like they they can feel like which which way you're

1414
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 3: you know, what side you have more weight in, and

1415
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 3: they might turn and go away from that leg no kid,

1416
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they they they get really tricky. Some of

1417
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 3: them get like, uh, they kind of like play little

1418
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 3: mind games, like when you're crawling down on them in

1419
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 3: the bucking shoot, they'll kind of like squat and like

1420
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 3: kind of stand shitty in the bucking shoot and then

1421
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 3: like and some of them you can't get to stand.

1422
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 2: You can't get a good no, get your position.

1423
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, and so when you nod, then then they

1424
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 3: dart out of there and.

1425
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: He's already got you thrown off.

1426
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 6: They might So can you watch watch some film on

1427
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 6: these horses, you tell if you scouts and be like, oh,

1428
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 6: this is kind of this guy sty.

1429
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 3: So like when you get to the point where I'm

1430
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 3: at and you're going and you're doing it for a living,

1431
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 3: Like a lot of the horses that we compete on

1432
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 3: end up at the same rodeos as us. You know,

1433
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 3: at the biggest rodeos. They try to have the best

1434
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 3: stock for the contestants. So so we see them.

1435
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 6: You see each other in the cafeteria line.

1436
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 3: We see him. We see them over and over and over,

1437
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 3: like Calgary Stampede stuck on tracting firm from Alberta, Like

1438
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 3: we'll see those horses from January till the end of

1439
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 3: September at the end of the season.

1440
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: What right now is what's the horse you guys talk about,

1441
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 2: like you and your peers.

1442
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 3: Well probably like the most recently crowned bucking horse of

1443
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 3: the world is Explosive Skies, owned by Caygary.

1444
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 2: See almost like they knew he was gonna be good.

1445
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's good.

1446
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 2: She is it usually she I know.

1447
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 3: They can be geldings, marrors or studs.

1448
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: So that's not an issue. They'll always wind up being

1449
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 2: one of the.

1450
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 3: Other No, no, And so like the theory of like the

1451
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 3: flank strap goes around the testicles is thrown out the

1452
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 3: window because half of them are are mares.

1453
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 2: Man, it really surprises me. Is there not a lot

1454
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 2: of Is there not a lot of sexual dimorphism in horses?

1455
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 2: Meaning the males aren't always a little heavier or something

1456
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:34,639
Speaker 2: like that.

1457
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 3: Like so if you leave a horse a stud, like,

1458
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 3: they'll get like pretty distinct features like where they're like

1459
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 3: their jar or their jaw like right here will really

1460
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 3: get like it gets gets swollen almost and quite a

1461
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 3: bit more prominent than say, like if you geld a

1462
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 3: horse at two years old, they get real hard necks.

1463
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 3: They usually grow quite a bit of maine. They're kind

1464
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 3: of a little more like they're just they're just a harder,

1465
01:14:58,680 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 3: leaner animal.

1466
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 2: You can tell when you look at Yeah, yeah.

1467
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 3: But that doesn't testosterone running through.

1468
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they but they might turn around in an

1469
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: americor can out welcome.

1470
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure. Studs are actually kind of finicky,

1471
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 3: Like there's been some really good studs, but for the

1472
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 3: most part, a lot of a lot of contractors just

1473
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 3: use their studs at home for breeding because they can

1474
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 3: they can be kind of inconsistent just just because they

1475
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 3: can get running so hot and and uh yeah, like

1476
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 3: like studs, studs don't seem to last as long as

1477
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 3: as a gelding or a mare.

1478
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 10: Would, like a hot mare kind of throw their game

1479
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 10: off to you or something.

1480
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, Like definitely, the hormones do play

1481
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 3: a part. Like if if a mayor is like in

1482
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 3: heat or something like, she might have an off day

1483
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 3: and not be as good as as she normally would be,

1484
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 3: So that all plays a role. That's like gelding's you know,

1485
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 3: they they just have one job, eat in the backpen

1486
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 3: and go out there and back pretty They're usually pretty consistent.

1487
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 6: When you're matched up at three days prior, you said,

1488
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,040
Speaker 6: people then get to decide if they're actually gonna go

1489
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 6: out and ride that animal. What is the decision making process?

1490
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 6: Obviously it's like could you like, if you have enough

1491
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 6: points right, uh, do you go? Oh, this horse is

1492
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 6: having a really hot streak right now, so I'm not

1493
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 6: gonna ride.

1494
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like like for the most part, we I mean,

1495
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 3: you don't enter the rodeo to not go, right, so

1496
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:27,719
Speaker 3: you plan on going and competing. But I mean there's

1497
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 3: you don't turn out a lot. But like the times

1498
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 3: that you would turn out is like maybe if you

1499
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 3: draw a horse that's kind of inferior to like where

1500
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 3: you know you have no chance of winning. The other

1501
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 3: time is maybe like if you have a horse that's

1502
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 3: that's maybe known for for doing something you know that

1503
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 3: where it could hurt you.

1504
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 6: Oh, so you're saying that you draw a horse that's

1505
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 6: not as good. So no matter how well you ride,

1506
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 6: that horse isn't going to get judged high enough to

1507
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 6: then give you enough points to do anything beneficial for

1508
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 6: correct Yeah.

1509
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 3: So like say, like your average bucking horse would be

1510
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 3: a twenty point horse. So if I get on that

1511
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 3: horse and I do my job correctly, I put a

1512
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 3: twenty three point spur ride on that horse. You know

1513
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 3: you double that up on eighty six points. If you

1514
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 3: draw a horse that's you know, commonly a seventeen point horse,

1515
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how how good you ride. You know,

1516
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 3: Max Max, you can be eighty points and probably not

1517
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 3: gonna win anything.

1518
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 9: Gotcha, Zeke knows I'm good enough that like before a rodeo,

1519
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 9: he'll tell me if he's probably gonna make the short

1520
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 9: go or not.

1521
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 2: Seriously, before you even get on.

1522
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you have a pretty good idea of how

1523
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 3: it's gonna go before beforehand. But I mean they're animals too,

1524
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 3: so I mean they're unpredictable. You can draw a horse

1525
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,560
Speaker 3: that's you know, normally you know, maybe not that desirable,

1526
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 3: and you wouldn't want to draw it, and you go

1527
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 3: get on it and has the best day of its

1528
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 3: life and you can win the rodeo.

1529
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 2: Got it?

1530
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: So one hundred points is max? Yeah, when you when

1531
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: you win the world, what kind of points you get?

1532
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 3: Well, that's so like when you win the world, it's

1533
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 3: it's based off of your whole season. So one hundred

1534
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 3: rodeos on your rodeo count and then you have ten

1535
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 3: ten rounds at the NFR, and so the basically the

1536
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 3: world champion is the guy with the most dollars one

1537
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 3: at the end of it.

1538
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,600
Speaker 2: So what winds up being an ad Like if you

1539
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 2: could put it like, what what is a winning streak

1540
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 2: of scores?

1541
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 1: I guess is what I'm asking you know, like you

1542
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: got to be in the if it's one hundred top,

1543
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 1: you got to be in the mid eighties, you got.

1544
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, at the nf FR to win go rounds,

1545
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 3: I mean shoot, nowadays you probably got to be like

1546
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 3: eighty eight points to win most go rounds, but like

1547
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 3: an eighty and eighty fives is going to place you

1548
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 3: somewhere most most.

1549
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 1: And how much do you feel the judging is arbitrary

1550
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: and in debatable and how much it's just like it's

1551
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: just the facts.

1552
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 2: The facts are facts.

1553
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 3: Man, It's however you want to look at it. I mean,

1554
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 3: it is. It is a judged event, you know, And

1555
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 3: and they they're not always going to get the calls right.

1556
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of it happens fast and with

1557
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 3: the naked eye. So I mean, but for the most part,

1558
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 3: it's it's pretty good. You'll you'll run into it more

1559
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 3: like regular season rodeos maybe where it's you know, it's

1560
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 3: not a big rodeo, and you'll be like in somebody's

1561
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 3: kind of you know, somebody's territory and you're you're riding

1562
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:19,480
Speaker 3: against them kind of you know, maybe not their hometown,

1563
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 3: but like their state, you know, and they're really they're

1564
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 3: a big deal in that state. They might not have

1565
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 3: to outride you to beat you.

1566
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's they realize that there's a bias for the

1567
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 2: local guy.

1568
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 9: I don't I don't want to make you uncomfortable, but

1569
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:39,799
Speaker 9: I've thought that. I wondered that about the rights until

1570
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 9: I was in Pendleton watching you and I was sitting

1571
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 9: behind somebody else they didn't know me, and uh, you

1572
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 9: rode and I thought you got underscored.

1573
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 12: But the person in front of me.

1574
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, the person in front of me goes of course

1575
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 9: because he's Thurston, and I was like.

1576
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 2: Oh, you got underscored, or of course he got.

1577
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 9: They were thinking he got a good score because he's like.

1578
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 2: He didn't throw that out there.

1579
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say it hasn't happened to me,

1580
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 3: but it didn't happen there. I promise you that there

1581
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 3: didn't happen.

1582
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 2: Well, how old were you when you first got on

1583
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:16,719
Speaker 2: a horse?

1584
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 3: My first bronk uh No, I mean like just riding,

1585
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:21,719
Speaker 3: Like oh, like I grew riding.

1586
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, like he's actually never ridden a horse.

1587
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't even have a memory of getting

1588
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 3: on a horse. Just yeah, I just grew up riding.

1589
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 2: And would your dad put you on ones just to

1590
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 2: see you get thrown off? Or how do you get

1591
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 2: started and all that?

1592
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 3: You get started? No, No, like it's you kind of

1593
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 3: there's like stepping stones you go through, you know and stuff.

1594
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 3: But like I grew up riding a saddle horse, grew

1595
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 3: up on a ranch in Alberta, so uh like a

1596
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 3: lot of our days were spent in the saddle just

1597
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 3: cowboying and doing doing ranch work and.

1598
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 2: You guys work cattle off horseback.

1599
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. So then like from there, you know, obviously road

1600
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,080
Speaker 3: cheap when I was little and and did that stuff.

1601
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 3: And then kind of when in Canada they have at

1602
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 3: their at their pro rodeos, they have what they call

1603
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 3: boys steer adding and you can start that, I think

1604
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 3: like maybe eleven, and so I started writing steers. So

1605
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 3: I knocked my teeth out and then yeah, just kind

1606
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 3: of progressed from there to you get on some junior bulls,

1607
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 3: you know, like two three year old bulls and stuff

1608
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 3: all like age appropriate and you know type.

1609
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 6: I mean depends who you ask what for sure, And

1610
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 6: Grandma was like he only lost thirteen te It.

1611
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 2: Was like age appropriate.

1612
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: And then you get your teeth kicked out, did it?

1613
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: Did you get a little gun shy after your teeth

1614
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 1: got knocked out?

1615
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1616
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 3: Well I was pretty young. And then some time off

1617
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 3: well I was eight and it was at a at

1618
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 3: a birthday party. You know, it was more for fun,

1619
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 3: but uh, that was all I ever wanted to do.

1620
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 3: And then after that, I was I was kind of

1621
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 3: maybe second guess and what I wanted to do a

1622
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 3: little bit.

1623
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 1: Man, I can't remember I told the story not you might.

1624
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 1: I should find this article and send it to you.

1625
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: There's a writer, Bricard Builder. He's a Southern writer. He's

1626
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:08,600
Speaker 1: the one that he's the one that kind of popularized,

1627
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 1: not for the people that do it, but popularized for

1628
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 1: the media, noodling for flatheads.

1629
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 2: He had a book, Noodling for Flatheads, and.

1630
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: Then it became that everybody on the planet went noodling

1631
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 1: for flatheads. It was like he kind of brought this

1632
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: to the public eye. You know, there's always some people

1633
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: got to do it, but he like people were like,

1634
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 1: what right, I want to go do that?

1635
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 3: That was him.

1636
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:34,600
Speaker 2: He wrote a profile on these bull riders.

1637
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 1: He was doing all his work in Nevada and it

1638
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: was just about this bull riding community in Nevada and

1639
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: little kids learning training to be bull riders. They start

1640
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: him young, like you're talking about like all that, he

1641
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 1: gets into the mutton busting and on up right and

1642
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,879
Speaker 1: as he's writing this, So he lives in Park Slope

1643
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: in New York, and simultaneous with him spending all his

1644
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: time in Nevada with bull rider kids, he's he's also

1645
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: in the same article, he's covering the local reception to

1646
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 1: them putting in rocks in the park down the road

1647
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:15,879
Speaker 1: from his house in the upheaval, in condemnation from parents

1648
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 1: in Parkslope, Brooklyn that they would put actual rocks in

1649
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: the park as hard as they are and if someone

1650
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: needs to get these rocks out of here and couldn't.

1651
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 2: They have put a rubber at the same time, So

1652
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 2: he's like covering this community issue and he's covering these

1653
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 2: bull riders like it kind of brings the two stories together.

1654
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 2: His So it's like when you talk about like you know,

1655
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 2: within limits.

1656
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

1657
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 9: I think what Zeke is kind of underplaying though, is

1658
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 9: like his dad was an absolute legend as he like

1659
01:23:55,640 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 9: touched on and he like grew up touring with dad

1660
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 9: a bit too.

1661
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like I grew up in it, Like that's

1662
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 3: that's all I've ever known. Like both sides of my

1663
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 3: family are just are deeply rooted in rodeo. My dad

1664
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 3: he had a he had a successful career as a

1665
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 3: BRONC rider. My mom she did a little announcing and

1666
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,879
Speaker 3: then they ran the grand entries that at the Canadian Finals,

1667
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 3: worked for the Calgary Stampede, did the NFR. So always

1668
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 3: always been in it and around it and yeah, just

1669
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 3: that's that's all I ever remember wanting to do. So

1670
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 3: I went through the stepping stones and uh, kind of

1671
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 3: climbing up roadsteers, did that whole deal?

1672
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 2: And what are some of the stepping stones, like just really.

1673
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 3: Just being a cowboy kid and riding, riding any animals

1674
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 3: that you have around the place.

1675
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 2: I mean, what are the like the professional ones?

1676
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 1: They meaning I can't show up at right, No, Like

1677
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 1: I can't show up at you know, a major event,

1678
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: like hey, I'd like to go to right, there's gotta

1679
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: be there's a there's a system of.

1680
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when you get to like I did the

1681
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 3: checks right. Yeah, Like we they have high school like

1682
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 3: junior high rodeos where they have like a build a

1683
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 3: cowboy program, which is you know, so like you're you

1684
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 3: have junior high kids and they put them on you know,

1685
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 3: like a bucking machine and judge them on there. Or

1686
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 3: they'll get some like Holstein cows and and uh, they'll

1687
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 3: they'll ride Holstein cows or whatever. And and you can

1688
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:23,639
Speaker 3: go through that deal, get to the high school rodeos,

1689
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 3: you start getting on real bronx, real bulls, but again

1690
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:28,759
Speaker 3: all for the high school level.

1691
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 2: And uh, did you ride bulls in high school?

1692
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I did a roped, a team, roped calf, roped,

1693
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 3: rope bulls, road bronx, and then uh yeah once kind

1694
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 3: of once I went through college and stuff just kind

1695
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 3: of narrowed it down to what I really wanted to do,

1696
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 3: and that was ride bronx.

1697
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1698
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 1: I was asking about that this morning when we were

1699
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 1: goose hunting. Is uh, you know, if you're uh, you know,

1700
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: there's certain disciplines in the Olympics, for instance, there's there's

1701
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: like a you know, a skier might really excel in

1702
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what helped me out, swallow right or

1703
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: whatever help, but then you know here they also competed

1704
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 1: in some other some other like seven. Yeah, so lay

1705
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 1: it out for me, like, if you're scared, you might

1706
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 1: do blank, blank and blank, but you have your specialty.

1707
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:21,600
Speaker 5: Sure, like all the the slalom, the giant slalom and

1708
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 5: then the super g and then the downhill so so.

1709
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 1: I was asking him about that, but he's, like he

1710
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 1: was saying, nowadays, as though this used to not be

1711
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 1: the case.

1712
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 2: Nowadays, you need.

1713
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 1: To, like competition's so sharp, right, he said, Nowadays you

1714
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 1: need to you have your thing, you have your discipline.

1715
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 2: You don't do you can't do. I'm gonna go jump

1716
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:45,920
Speaker 2: on a bowl and try that. You know what I mean?

1717
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 3: You can. There are guys that you know, competing more

1718
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,839
Speaker 3: than one event like stet Stetson, right is he's arguably

1719
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 3: one of the very best brunt riders and bull riders going.

1720
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 3: It's just a lot more rare now.

1721
01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 2: And you were saying, because it's because it's you're.

1722
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 3: It's just gotten really competitive, really specialized. The bucking horses

1723
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 3: have gotten and bulls have gotten so so good, they're

1724
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 3: so rank to you know, if you got to go

1725
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 3: through a season and get on like I'll get one

1726
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,640
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty broncs a year. So if you I mean,

1727
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 3: if you're doing that double time, when you're asking a

1728
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 3: lot of your body.

1729
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:22,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might be done when you're twenty four.

1730
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1731
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 8: I also think and you can crag me if I'm wrong,

1732
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 8: zeke in this, but you know, back in the days,

1733
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 8: the old days of rodeo, right, these old cowboys that

1734
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 8: were trying to make a living rodeo and it didn't

1735
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 8: pay what it pays now m hm, Like the pool

1736
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 8: wasn't near as good, and so they were going to

1737
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 8: the rodeo like they would want to enter more than

1738
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 8: one event just to increase our odds of making some

1739
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 8: money in order to make more money to make it

1740
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 8: to the next rodeo. Whereas now, like at Zeke's level,

1741
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 8: and when these guys are going, these rodeos, especially these

1742
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 8: big rodeos, pay so good that if you are truly

1743
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 8: good at what you do, like Zeke, you can go

1744
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 8: and actually make a living in your one event and

1745
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,879
Speaker 8: specialize and save and preserve your body, be hyper focused

1746
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 8: on what you do, but earning a living enough that

1747
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 8: you can continue on down the road to the next

1748
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 8: where it's like back in the day, it was like, hell,

1749
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 8: let's enter the bronc riding, the bull ride and the

1750
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 8: team rope and if somebody who's got a horse wrestling

1751
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:15,600
Speaker 8: and that's money, we.

1752
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 2: Can't bring a little money home, seriously, Yeah.

1753
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 3: And that's what you did at like the high school

1754
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 3: rodeos because they had an all around and you wanted

1755
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,720
Speaker 3: to get all around points. College. You're on a college team, right,

1756
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 3: so you're trying to get your team to the college finals,

1757
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 3: so you enter multiple events to get points total for

1758
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 3: the team. When you get to the professional level, it

1759
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 3: seems like you kind of narrow in on one one

1760
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 3: one specific.

1761
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 1: Speaking of narrowing in, I don't want to make you uncomfortable,

1762
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 1: but I want to talk about the economics. So when

1763
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: I asked you about the economics of it, you don't

1764
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: need to talk about you, but you just talk about

1765
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: generally how it goes.

1766
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 2: But first, this one's not terribly personal.

1767
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 1: Uh, what was the first time you you walked away

1768
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: with money from a rodeo?

1769
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 2: How old were you?

1770
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 3: Oh, like I don't know, like probably one, you know,

1771
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 3: an envelope with forty bucks at junior rodeos when I

1772
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 3: was a little but competing. Like when I started actually

1773
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 3: to like make a little money, was when I started

1774
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 3: riding steers in Canada as a boys steer rider. And

1775
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 3: at what age that would have been, like eleven.

1776
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 2: Twelve making money eleven or twelve?

1777
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was awesome because you didn't drive and your

1778
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 3: parents paid for all the fuel, so it was all profit.

1779
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 2: And then what would be making money? What do you

1780
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:22,839
Speaker 2: mean a few hundred bucks? A few thousand bucks?

1781
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 3: I think that one year after I won the Canadian

1782
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 3: title in the steer ride, and I think I had

1783
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 3: like ten thousand dollars.

1784
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 2: Did your parents take it away?

1785
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 3: Fourteen year old kid? Thirteen year old kid?

1786
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 2: Did your parents take it from you? No you haven't.

1787
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you've just inspired parties.

1788
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 2: Serious of that age.

1789
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 3: And that's serious, way better than was that regarded as accession.

1790
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:47,759
Speaker 3: I think I bought my first cows when I was yeah, fourteen,

1791
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 3: thirteen fourteen with my steerd this cowboy through and through

1792
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 3: that it would have been a great opportunity for the boss.

1793
01:29:55,960 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 6: Is what trailer tires cost. This is what O a.

1794
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 2: Lot of parents to be like, oh, hand that over,

1795
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 2: you still hold me? A hundred thousands.

1796
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 3: They actually had a big steer like like, so it

1797
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:11,679
Speaker 3: seems like every like my my age group, I guess

1798
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 3: especially in Canada, but but everywhere, like through high school rodeo,

1799
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 3: through my steer ide and all that stuff, like there

1800
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,759
Speaker 3: was always like a big, a big group of kids

1801
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,600
Speaker 3: that were you know, that were really good at it

1802
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 3: and and gamers, so like when we were riding steers.

1803
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,879
Speaker 3: They actually put on a steer ride and in Canada,

1804
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 3: and I think it paid paid like seven thousand to

1805
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 3: win it, and I want it the one year and

1806
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 3: I got a one a buck and bull cow like

1807
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 3: I one an actual cow?

1808
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah, what did you do with the cow? Celebrate?

1809
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 3: Only just preg checked her three days ago and she's

1810
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 3: she's still alive. So that was That was in two

1811
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 3: thousand and eight.

1812
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 2: So that thing you want to pay in a lot

1813
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 2: of money.

1814
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 3: So she's two thousand and eight and yeah, this she's

1815
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 3: been read every year. I raised two buccoballs out of them,

1816
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 3: they out of hers, they didn't buck very hard. So

1817
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 3: I just started bringing her to a black angus bull.

1818
01:30:59,400 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 2: You kidding me?

1819
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 1: Do you mark that once so you can track the

1820
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 1: so you can track the payoff on that win on

1821
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 1: the I mean, do you mark how much you've made

1822
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 1: off that cow?

1823
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 3: Off that cow?

1824
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 13: No?

1825
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, I'm not sure you're interested in

1826
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 3: market fluctuates a lot, but you can tell her. She

1827
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 3: really sticks out from the herd. She looks like a

1828
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:18,800
Speaker 3: she doesn't belong. Yeah, she's pretty mean.

1829
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 1: When you were okay, so at fourteen, you start buying.

1830
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: You bought house. Yeah, so you just knew you wanted

1831
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: to be in the family business.

1832
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1833
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 1: Now, how many guys are there US Canada? I mean,

1834
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's I don't know how far. Just do

1835
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 1: your best job answering this, because I'm sure you can

1836
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 1: start getting into what about Mexico or whatever, But like,

1837
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 1: give me a ballpark, how many How many guys are

1838
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:47,600
Speaker 1: there that are making the bulk of their annual income

1839
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 1: bronc riding bron riding?

1840
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 2: Is it hundreds?

1841
01:31:53,200 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 3: No? Like, I mean it depends. I guess how much

1842
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:57,719
Speaker 3: what you consider income.

1843
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it, because you could be like living

1844
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:00,599
Speaker 2: your parents basement.

1845
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:04,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean to truly make a living radenbucking horses,

1846
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 3: I would say the So like for us to rodeo

1847
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,679
Speaker 3: throughout the year, I'm gonna say you probably have around

1848
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:15,880
Speaker 3: seventy seventy thousand is invested to go a full season.

1849
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 3: That's between like your your fuel, your entry fees, flights food.

1850
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 3: So so you're to make the NFR, you've got to win.

1851
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 3: Like this year, I think it took about one hundred

1852
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 3: and five thousand.

1853
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 2: So they they market by just the purse it's a dollar.

1854
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:35,719
Speaker 3: For dollars dollars one. So I mean, if you're making

1855
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 3: the NFR, you're coming out on you know, you go

1856
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 3: to the NFR and don't win a dime, you're coming

1857
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,759
Speaker 3: out on top of thirty thousand extra. You worked pretty

1858
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 3: damn hard for that thirty thousand.

1859
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 2: It took some years off your life.

1860
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can.

1861
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 1: Look at someone there, like someone at that point has

1862
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 1: has pocketed.

1863
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 2: Like at a minimum, they maybe pocketed thirty grand.

1864
01:32:57,439 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I mean that's to make it. But like

1865
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:02,600
Speaker 3: your top, you're top guys. I mean last year I

1866
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 3: went out to the Vegas I won more money than

1867
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 3: any other contestant there, but I left just Vegas alone

1868
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 3: with two hundred and fifty six thousand.

1869
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 2: How many days of work was that ten days? Oh

1870
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 2: that was exceptional. That's good though.

1871
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:15,599
Speaker 3: That's doing as good as you can do.

1872
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:18,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. Tax has gotta be a bitch on that stuff.

1873
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 3: On Taxas Texas suck.

1874
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 2: They pretty much acted like you won the lottery.

1875
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, there's not a lot of things you can

1876
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 3: write off against you know.

1877
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 2: Your ROTA, but you can't write off your bones and ship. Yeah,

1878
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 2: well that costs me. Yeah, that cost me my fever.

1879
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 2: It's gotta be worse something. I'm gonna do that as

1880
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 2: a deduction.

1881
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 3: But I mean, if you're doing good and you're in

1882
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 3: the top five or whatever, I mean, you're making you're

1883
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:40,480
Speaker 3: making a decent living.

1884
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 1: What's funny about that line of work too, is I

1885
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 1: always think about this with professional athletes and stuff and others.

1886
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: Is uh, like I want to talk about economics and

1887
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 1: the personalness of economics is it's so public. I mean,

1888
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 1: like we had a guy on that won the British

1889
01:33:58,640 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: Open right.

1890
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 3: And everybody knows how much to ask them.

1891
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 2: I could, like I could three seconds tell I mean

1892
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 2: I could three seconds every much I make. Yeah, it's

1893
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 2: so funny. So you come back from something people like, hey,

1894
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 2: good luck on you know, a good job on the

1895
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 2: blank dollars? Yeah, you know, there's no for sure.

1896
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:19,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's not it's not too private, but I mean, like, uh,

1897
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:22,719
Speaker 3: lost my train of thought.

1898
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:24,639
Speaker 2: No, just not not private public.

1899
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 8: It's treated as the point system to your point though, right,

1900
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 8: it's so like it's it is literally the points and

1901
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 8: the currency that is used to quantify what you've achieved

1902
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 8: in rodeo is like the dollars, dollars one and so

1903
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 8: earlier today when we were goose hunting, you know how

1904
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 8: Zeke was talking about you can only go to one

1905
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 8: hundred rodeos in a year, so you have to pick.

1906
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 8: So there might be seven or eight hundred rodeos pro

1907
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 8: rodeos in the nation. The good guys like him and

1908
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,600
Speaker 8: that top shelf group of guys, they're not going to

1909
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 8: like some po dunk rodeo and po dunk middle of nowhere, right,

1910
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 8: They're going to the big shows because that's going to

1911
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 8: pay the most. And so it gets the point where

1912
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,919
Speaker 8: it's like we're gonna go the least amount of rodeos

1913
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 8: we can and win the most amount of money to

1914
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:09,600
Speaker 8: make it to the NFR and not kill ourselves in

1915
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 8: the meantime, but still make a living going you have

1916
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 8: less travel costs, higher role.

1917
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 3: That is what I was gonna say, was, Yeah, so

1918
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 3: like rodeos, it's the only blue collar sport left where

1919
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 3: you pay your own way and you don't get paid

1920
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 3: unless you win. You know where everybody else is on

1921
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 3: a contract. And so that's what makes rodeo pretty neat

1922
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 3: because you see, like these guys.

1923
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 2: Are out there.

1924
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 3: They are giving it there all every time and they're

1925
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 3: doing it because they want to. You know, you can.

1926
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 3: You can get drafted and sign your three million dollars

1927
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 3: or your three year, ten million dollar contract and then

1928
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 3: you know, go coast around the ice or football field

1929
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 3: or whatever pretty easily. But you know, in rodeo there

1930
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 3: you have to win.

1931
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: Because it's blue collar and draws some blue collar do

1932
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: you guys have a real reputation for blowing your money.

1933
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,839
Speaker 3: I don't know if they ever are smart. I wouldn't.

1934
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:00,640
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say rodeo cowboys are smart with their mind.

1935
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 3: I feel like I've done a pretty good job. But

1936
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 3: you see a lot of money the majority of them.

1937
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see a lot of people burn the check off.

1938
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody will win, you know, a Houston for fifty thousand,

1939
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 3: and then they buy a new boat. They're like, what

1940
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 3: are you? When are you ever going to use that?

1941
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 2: You're rodeo on all summer.

1942
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:21,120
Speaker 8: You can't even You're gone, could you?

1943
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:21,640
Speaker 2: So? Could you?

1944
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 5: Uh?

1945
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 2: It's one hundred grand right? The entry the points system

1946
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 2: is one hundred thousand dollars.

1947
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 3: To make the NFL. I mean it fluctuates every year.

1948
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 1: So let's say you're gaming out and you can you

1949
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 1: can do a maximum of one hundred events.

1950
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 2: Is that right?

1951
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,200
Speaker 3: You can't go more than top fifteen in the world.

1952
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:43,480
Speaker 2: Is there a minimum?

1953
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:44,760
Speaker 3: A minimum?

1954
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 2: Like?

1955
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 3: So for us we have what they call standalone events,

1956
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 3: which are and the bull riders do too, and a

1957
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 3: few in the bare back riding, but it's they call

1958
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 3: them extreme Broncs where it's just bronk riding. So like

1959
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 3: if Bozeman was to have an Extreme Bronx, you would

1960
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 3: come and watch thirty of the best brunk graders in

1961
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:03,679
Speaker 3: the world get on. That's all you'd watch is thirty

1962
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:08,520
Speaker 3: brunk raders. So a lot I mean in the PRC organization,

1963
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,760
Speaker 3: like they feel like it kind of takes away from

1964
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 3: rodeos that are adding, you know, that have a full rodeo.

1965
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 3: So in order for us to you know, for your

1966
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 3: Extreme Bronx money to count, you have to go to

1967
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:22,280
Speaker 3: a minimum of forty rodeos.

1968
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 1: Oh okay, because they're trying to keep the whole, the

1969
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:25,679
Speaker 1: whole program rolling.

1970
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:27,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we could go I mean, we have a

1971
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:29,600
Speaker 3: lot of extreme brounks now, like you could go to

1972
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 3: forty extreme bronks win one hundred grand in that, you know,

1973
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,680
Speaker 3: but not not get your forty rodeos, so that one

1974
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:37,559
Speaker 3: hundred thousands, not counting towards the second.

1975
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 1: That's what I was curious is if to what degree

1976
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:43,639
Speaker 1: did people game it? Meaning if you knew that, if

1977
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 1: you know that going to NFR that you're a real

1978
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 1: contestant and you might walk away over there with a

1979
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,839
Speaker 1: sizeable chunk of money. And you're going through the season

1980
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 1: and you hit the minimum threshold, is there some part

1981
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:58,640
Speaker 1: of you that says, I'm not going to risk my

1982
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 1: body unnecessarily. I'm just gonna chill and and wait and

1983
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:07,719
Speaker 1: just go to the big time and not do the circuit.

1984
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, not not necessarily. Like as far as as far

1985
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:13,240
Speaker 3: as the roughstock events go, the BRONC riding is the

1986
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:16,599
Speaker 3: easiest on your body, like kind of once you once

1987
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 3: you learn it, not that you ever have it totally learned,

1988
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 3: but they call it the classic event. It's it's all

1989
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 3: timing and balance, you know. It's it's kind of like

1990
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:27,640
Speaker 3: riding a rock and chair when it's going right. So

1991
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 3: I mean for us it's I mean, if you have

1992
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,599
Speaker 3: a good horse drawn that you're gonna win on, you're

1993
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 3: gonna go get on it. If you have the say

1994
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 3: you have the finals made you know, halfway through the year,

1995
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 3: you might be a little more picky and choosy and

1996
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 3: maybe not go get on this horse that you know

1997
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 3: is known for sucking. But then on the other side

1998
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:46,640
Speaker 3: of the coin, you might be on the bubble to

1999
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:48,799
Speaker 3: make the NFR and you have to go get on everything.

2000
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 2: Yep.

2001
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 12: Yeah, and if you don't go, you don't get paid.

2002
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 10: No, it's just a net loss of dollars.

2003
01:38:54,160 --> 01:39:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2004
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 5: I want to go off of that analogy of the

2005
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 5: rock and chair because I'd like you to go through

2006
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 5: if you can, well, first tell me I think you

2007
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:16,719
Speaker 5: can tell me really quickly. Is the is what you're

2008
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,800
Speaker 5: mimicking when you do this bronc riding event? Is it

2009
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 5: what used to be or still is probably but breaking

2010
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:25,599
Speaker 5: a horse to be able to ride it with a saddle,

2011
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 5: or is there there's something else that goes on in

2012
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 5: ranching that this is mimicking.

2013
01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like where where rodeo and bronk like bron

2014
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:36,679
Speaker 3: g riding is the event that started rodeo and where

2015
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 3: it came from was when the European settlers came over.

2016
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 3: They took the Spanish Volco's influence on how to handle

2017
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 3: cattle with horses and they you know, they've seen that

2018
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 3: as a benefit, so they started to you know, handle

2019
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 3: cattle that way. You know, before fences, you would have

2020
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:58,320
Speaker 3: a big round up and everybody would gather all the

2021
01:39:58,360 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 3: cattle together and put them in a herd, a big

2022
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 3: mob whatever you want to call it, and they would

2023
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 3: call it the roe deer. And that's where you know,

2024
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 3: all the ranches would get together. They would work, work

2025
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 3: their cattle, and then you would take your calves and

2026
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:12,360
Speaker 3: go ship them, and that guy would take his and

2027
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 3: go ship them. So that's you know, that's what they

2028
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 3: would do. And kind of in the midst of all this,

2029
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 3: you know, they would be out there for months at

2030
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 3: a time, and in the midst of all this they rode.

2031
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:24,160
Speaker 3: They would you know, they'd have their cowboys or their

2032
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 3: day hands that would come and you know that worked

2033
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:28,280
Speaker 3: for that ranch and they would do all the work.

2034
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:30,599
Speaker 3: But like back in those days, like nowadays we start

2035
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,559
Speaker 3: colts at two years old, back then, they would get

2036
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 3: on horses that you know, were untouched by people when

2037
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:38,759
Speaker 3: they're you know, they'd be eight, nine, ten year old horses.

2038
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 3: So you would have to blindfold them, they'd tie back

2039
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:45,040
Speaker 3: leg up, snub them up, you know, whatever and get

2040
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 3: and usually, you know, most most of them cowboys had

2041
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:50,160
Speaker 3: to have some sort of a bronker had that morning

2042
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 3: just to just to get his horse snapped out and

2043
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:54,719
Speaker 3: then take off and go do their work for the day.

2044
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 3: So that's I mean, cowboys being cowboys turn it into

2045
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:04,519
Speaker 3: a competition of hey, you know I can ride that,

2046
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 3: so you know this is the rank of horse, I

2047
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 3: can ride him, or you couldn't ride my horse kind

2048
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 3: of thing.

2049
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 5: And it would be like a daily event. You just

2050
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 5: knew back then for them to start your day, you'd

2051
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 5: have to get on that horse in some weird way

2052
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,640
Speaker 5: that you just described. I didn't understand half the terminology,

2053
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 5: but you had to get on him and go through

2054
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 5: eight or maybe a minute of craziness and then you

2055
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:26,400
Speaker 5: go about your day of work.

2056
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,719
Speaker 3: Yes, and they would ride him once and considered them broke,

2057
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 3: like that was a broke horse. But he might back

2058
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 3: for the next sixty days that you had them.

2059
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 2: Is the fact that he had been ridden.

2060
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:39,080
Speaker 3: That somebody had been on his back at one point

2061
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:41,680
Speaker 3: he was considered broke. But so that's what they did.

2062
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 1: So then you know, we got a body who uh uh, well,

2063
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:48,800
Speaker 1: our body's body who's that guy? I remember was squirrel

2064
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,560
Speaker 1: unting down. We're talking about mules. Squirrel on Maclay and

2065
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 1: he had.

2066
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 2: His friend with us. I can't remember the guy's name.

2067
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 2: He was funnier in hell were there.

2068
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 1: They got to talk about the mule trade on Craigslist

2069
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 1: and they're talking about like how bad Craigslist is for

2070
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 1: the mule trade.

2071
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 2: And this guy says, man, I broke us sold.

2072
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,800
Speaker 1: He says, I sold a crazy horse or I sold

2073
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:14,280
Speaker 1: a crazy mule to a guy on Craigslist. And two

2074
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:16,800
Speaker 1: weeks later I saw that same mule being sold as

2075
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 1: a broke mules.

2076
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 3: That's how they did it. Yeah, so then they I mean,

2077
01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 3: obviously it turned into you know, the the art of

2078
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 3: bronk riding just came from those everyday working cowboys, you know,

2079
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:35,519
Speaker 3: making bets and trying to ride the rank his horse,

2080
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 3: and then it just kind of progressively got sportier over

2081
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 3: the years. I guess. I think maybe like somewhere in

2082
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 3: the early nineteen hundreds is when they like when the

2083
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 3: Calgary Stampede put on their first you know outdoor cargary Stampede,

2084
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:56,519
Speaker 3: you know, and brought contestants from the United States and Mexico,

2085
01:42:56,680 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 3: and all over to come compete. And I think Guy

2086
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 3: Weed it was maybe the guy that kind of started

2087
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 3: like put the rules kind of in place to you know,

2088
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 3: make it more of a structured contest, and then it's

2089
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 3: kind of evolved from there.

2090
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 2: Are there any other continents where this goes on? Do

2091
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 2: you know about?

2092
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:17,200
Speaker 7: There are?

2093
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 3: But like in different styles, Like I don't know if

2094
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 3: I seen videos like on social media, I don't know

2095
01:43:24,360 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 3: where even what country would be from, but like these

2096
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,000
Speaker 3: guys get on like they'll have these horses snubbed up

2097
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 3: and they'll get on like maybe to a post and

2098
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 3: another horse be between two, you know, two riders on horse.

2099
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,640
Speaker 3: They'll kind of sandwich the horse up and this guy

2100
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 3: will crawl on and then you'll have a quirt and

2101
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 3: honestly do not know how they stay on, but they'll

2102
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 3: have a bit in the horse's mouth, and like they

2103
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 3: don't really buck, they don't they buck nothing like ours.

2104
01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 3: But there it's more of like a rearing style of bucking.

2105
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 3: And these guys will ride these horses over in Brazil,

2106
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 3: they ride with like a saddle that's got like a

2107
01:43:56,479 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 3: handle on it, you know. So I mean there's different

2108
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 3: variations of it.

2109
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 2: What's the significance of the one hand in the air.

2110
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:05,679
Speaker 3: And just difficulty level.

2111
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:08,599
Speaker 2: I guess just showing using one hand and then uh,

2112
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:11,639
Speaker 2: you know the famous wyoming symbol. Who's that dude?

2113
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, I don't know who that is.

2114
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 2: Okay, take can you take us through?

2115
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:25,000
Speaker 5: Uh, pick up wherever you decide it's like interesting enough

2116
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 5: to tell the story, but take us through, like step

2117
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:33,680
Speaker 5: by step, moment by a moment, the whole riding experience

2118
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 5: of when you get into that shoot. But it might

2119
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:38,320
Speaker 5: it might start I don't know, two minutes ahead of time,

2120
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 5: like when you're the other dude's riding ahead of you,

2121
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:43,640
Speaker 5: you're back there, you're getting jacked up. Just kind of

2122
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 5: take us through everything that's in your head and as

2123
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 5: that process goes down, because I think, like when I

2124
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 5: watch it on TV, like they get on whatever animal

2125
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 5: and you always see him Jimmy dicking with that rope

2126
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 5: and then and that tether or whatever it is. I

2127
01:44:57,439 --> 01:44:59,559
Speaker 5: mean I kind of think, oh, he's making it tighter.

2128
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:01,680
Speaker 5: But iviously, there's more to it than just that. So

2129
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 5: it it'd be cool if you could just take us

2130
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 5: through through the steps. What is roughly just thirty seconds.

2131
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 5: I'm guessing it in its entirety, but it'll probably take

2132
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 5: you five or ten minutes.

2133
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:11,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like we try to get to the rodeo

2134
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:14,559
Speaker 3: an hour before you get your equipment kind of ready.

2135
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:15,360
Speaker 2: Just an hour.

2136
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, usually, I mean that's about what it takes

2137
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:21,560
Speaker 3: to warm up your body, get everything firing. You know,

2138
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 3: you go get a halter. It's they supply the halter,

2139
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 3: so you go get a halter, put your hackrain on

2140
01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 3: your halter. Bron Griding is usually, you know, pretty commonly

2141
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 3: in the middle of the rodeo. It's usually about third

2142
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:35,800
Speaker 3: to fourth event in so you'll kind of you'll help

2143
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:38,240
Speaker 3: your buddies on in the bareback riding, watch them do

2144
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 3: their thing, and then they start loading bronks and it's

2145
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 3: you get your gear on, put your vest, your shaps,

2146
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:46,920
Speaker 3: all that. You take your saddle over there.

2147
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:48,400
Speaker 2: What's that That vest is protective?

2148
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:49,840
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's a protective vest.

2149
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 2: It's got like kevlar plates.

2150
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:53,400
Speaker 3: Or yeah, I don't think it's it's like a it's

2151
01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 3: just kind of like a thick foam covered in leather.

2152
01:45:56,400 --> 01:45:58,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so so it would it doesn't help you get.

2153
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:04,720
Speaker 3: It helps, Yeah, it's just like disperse the you know, yeah,

2154
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:08,040
Speaker 3: like in anything like we don't I mean, hopefully you

2155
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 3: don't have to use it for getting stepped on, and

2156
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,640
Speaker 3: it's not super common, but it's nice to have it

2157
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:15,320
Speaker 3: on when you do. But some horses, you know, like

2158
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 3: if they some smart horses will you know, try to

2159
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:20,760
Speaker 3: set back in the shoot and you kind of mash

2160
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:22,760
Speaker 3: you in the back of the shoot, you know, so

2161
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:25,240
Speaker 3: it's nice to have it on for that. And that's

2162
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 3: us yours or not yours mine. Yeah, yeah, I know

2163
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 3: you have, but you.

2164
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 1: Go get the you're talking about getting the other equipment

2165
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 1: the halter that's not you can't bring your own.

2166
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 3: That is brought by the stock contractor just usually because

2167
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 3: they well I mean you just wouldn't want to pack

2168
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 3: a halter around. But they also have like their rodeo

2169
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 3: company's name on the noseband, and there's some famous special

2170
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 3: horses have their own name on the noseband and stuff.

2171
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 5: What about the saddle, when does that go on? And

2172
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 5: who provides them?

2173
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:53,679
Speaker 3: So they'll like once they start loading the bucking horses

2174
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:56,880
Speaker 3: for the bronc riding, you'll go find your horse, you know,

2175
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 3: figure out what shoot or what side you're you're here on.

2176
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:03,000
Speaker 3: You take your equipment over there. You'll start by putting

2177
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 3: your halter on the horse.

2178
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:06,040
Speaker 2: At this point, you know what that horse looks like.

2179
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean you've probably known it like

2180
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:09,920
Speaker 3: days before.

2181
01:47:10,360 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2182
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:14,599
Speaker 3: You always go and talk to the stockgun tractor beforehand

2183
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:16,600
Speaker 3: and always be friendly, shake their hand, ask them what

2184
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:19,320
Speaker 3: siety's out of, you know, do that kind of deal.

2185
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:21,720
Speaker 2: But then, what do you mean what siety's out of?

2186
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 3: Like, so there's at the rodeo, well most rodeos, not all,

2187
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 3: but there'll be a left hand delivery and a right hand.

2188
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:29,360
Speaker 2: Delivery, and that depends on the horse's tendencies.

2189
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 3: Yes, so some horses are right leaded and some horses

2190
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:33,000
Speaker 3: are left lead, just like people.

2191
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:34,880
Speaker 2: Oh so they tailored to what that horse is going

2192
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:36,040
Speaker 2: to want to do some horses.

2193
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:37,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, so if a horse likes to kind of circle

2194
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 3: to the left, they'll put them out of the left

2195
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:41,479
Speaker 3: side so that he can you know, he starts in

2196
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:43,400
Speaker 3: the left lead and goes out there and makes his

2197
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 3: circle to the left.

2198
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:47,520
Speaker 2: Okay, they're not just mixing it up randomly.

2199
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 3: No, No, there's actually there's a lot of strategy that

2200
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 3: goes into it. But yeah, you get your horse altered

2201
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:53,680
Speaker 3: I'll put my saddle.

2202
01:47:53,439 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 2: On, so you put your saddle on.

2203
01:47:56,640 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, personal, I'm responsible for all of my own equipment,

2204
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:01,679
Speaker 3: my stuff, okay.

2205
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2206
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:05,120
Speaker 3: Like so basically when you enter the rodeo and you

2207
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 3: get there and you're gonna go compete on that horse

2208
01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:09,960
Speaker 3: like that, that horse is basically my horse for the

2209
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:13,960
Speaker 3: time being. Like I'm I'm doing everything with it. And

2210
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:16,600
Speaker 3: obviously the stock contractor owns it and you work with

2211
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:18,800
Speaker 3: them too, you know, but.

2212
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 1: Those saddles like criteria, right, you can't invent some genius saddle.

2213
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:26,080
Speaker 3: Oh no, there's specs for a saddle. You know where

2214
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:29,040
Speaker 3: they sit and how they pull and and all that stuff.

2215
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,240
Speaker 3: But anyways, I'll put my saddle on, and then usually

2216
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:36,200
Speaker 3: about the time the Bronc rideing's starting to kick off wherever,

2217
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 3: you know, wherever you happen to fall in the lineup,

2218
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:41,160
Speaker 3: like you might be first out, you might be twelfth

2219
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:45,000
Speaker 3: or thirteenth out, depending on how many guys, and so

2220
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 3: you'll kind of time it, like to do my shaps

2221
01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:50,960
Speaker 3: up and get them tight. You know, probably five or

2222
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:53,840
Speaker 3: six guys ahead of me, start pulling my horse, which

2223
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:55,960
Speaker 3: is you know, start sensing your saddle.

2224
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 2: Down now, what are the chaps do for you? Because

2225
01:48:58,120 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 2: you're not riding through briars.

2226
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:02,639
Speaker 3: No, So the shaps are there there their leg protection.

2227
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 3: And then we also put rosin on our swells, which

2228
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 3: is where your legs come in contact with your saddle.

2229
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:12,640
Speaker 3: So it's it's kind of a sticky you know, it's

2230
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 3: a sticky tree sap. It looks sweet, yeah, in style too, but.

2231
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:19,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, it helps you grip the horse.

2232
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it helps you grip your saddle.

2233
01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 2: And you're allowed to rise, yes, because in baseball, you're not.

2234
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 3: They grip their they rosing their bats, don't they.

2235
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:29,200
Speaker 2: Well they can't put sticky shit on the ball though, No,

2236
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:32,439
Speaker 2: not on the ball. Yeah, but you guys are allowed to.

2237
01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:35,679
Speaker 3: I mean there's criterias on that too, like you can't

2238
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 3: can't be painting on gorilla glue. But yeah, So then

2239
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:46,519
Speaker 3: depending on where I am in the lineup, I'll start,

2240
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 3: you know, sensing my horse pulling my saddle. I get

2241
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:54,200
Speaker 3: everything squared away, and then it's, uh, it's basically just

2242
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 3: go time everything. Uh you know, they get a couple

2243
01:49:57,479 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 3: of guys away from you, I'll suck my hat down,

2244
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:01,800
Speaker 3: put my MoU mouth guard in. Uh, you measure your

2245
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:06,320
Speaker 3: rain because each horse takes a different rain measurement depending

2246
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:09,519
Speaker 3: on where they hold their head when they buck and

2247
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,519
Speaker 3: how they buck, and so, uh you have somebody hold

2248
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:15,680
Speaker 3: the horse's head straight out in front of and uh

2249
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:17,720
Speaker 3: you just pull your rain across there and measure it

2250
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 3: from the back of your swells like a one. A

2251
01:50:21,479 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 3: fist with your thumb sticking out is considered an average.

2252
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:25,920
Speaker 3: So if I was going to give a horse what

2253
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 3: they call X and four, I would give them an

2254
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 3: average plus four fingers. And so measure my rain once

2255
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:36,000
Speaker 3: my rein's measured. Take take my back cinch, so you'll

2256
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:36,760
Speaker 3: snug your back.

2257
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:38,720
Speaker 2: I feel like from watch and I feel like I

2258
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about now.

2259
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:43,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So then snug my back sinch. This it

2260
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 3: happens fast.

2261
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:46,439
Speaker 2: Because they want like for the spectator's perspective, they want

2262
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 2: like a certain cad oh in.

2263
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:50,120
Speaker 3: Vegas, like they want like you have to have your

2264
01:50:50,160 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 3: back cinch, you know, rain measured foot in your saddle

2265
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:56,720
Speaker 3: as the other guy before you is going. So like

2266
01:50:56,800 --> 01:51:00,120
Speaker 3: they just snapped in one after another. It's fast. They

2267
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 3: can Yeah, regular rodeo, it's not quite who is are

2268
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:06,600
Speaker 3: you doing the backsinch? I do the back sinch ye do.

2269
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:08,720
Speaker 3: And then the stock contractor is in charge of the

2270
01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 3: flank and they're not like usually like I I like

2271
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,919
Speaker 3: to get my own guy. Sometimes there's a guy supplied,

2272
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:17,519
Speaker 3: but you have somebody what do you call, like your

2273
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:19,000
Speaker 3: head man, and that's the guy that will turn the

2274
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:21,719
Speaker 3: horse's head out of the shoote once the shoot gates opened.

2275
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,280
Speaker 3: Most of the horses that we get on, you know,

2276
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:27,880
Speaker 3: they're they've done it so much that you don't you

2277
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 3: don't really you know, touch something.

2278
01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:30,559
Speaker 2: You feel that horse is fired up.

2279
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:33,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, like they like yes, there's some horses

2280
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:35,439
Speaker 3: that they'll run in the buck and shoot and they'll

2281
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:37,680
Speaker 3: just swell right up and get tight. You can tell that,

2282
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:40,320
Speaker 3: you know they're ready. There's other horses that will stand

2283
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 3: in there and they act half asleep and you're like,

2284
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:43,840
Speaker 3: come on, wake up, man, like we gotta to go

2285
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:47,519
Speaker 3: do this. You know, they all have a personality, they're

2286
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:51,640
Speaker 3: all different and uh yeah, but anyways, I'll step over

2287
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:55,000
Speaker 3: the back, crawl down on and once like once I'm

2288
01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 3: crawling over the buck and shoot it. Like I don't

2289
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:59,960
Speaker 3: hear anything, like I don't hear the announcer. You might

2290
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:03,519
Speaker 3: communicate with the stock contractor or your helper that's there.

2291
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 3: And then after that you take a deep state and

2292
01:52:07,160 --> 01:52:08,759
Speaker 3: far away look and nod your head.

2293
01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:10,559
Speaker 2: Far away look.

2294
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:15,719
Speaker 5: Okay, but so you not your head. One guy swings

2295
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:16,519
Speaker 5: the chute open.

2296
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:19,600
Speaker 3: When the gate starts to open, the like, so like,

2297
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:22,479
Speaker 3: all I can see is I'm focused on the horse's neck.

2298
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:24,600
Speaker 3: I can see my rain up in front of me.

2299
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:27,120
Speaker 3: So like, as soon as that horse's head starts to

2300
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 3: move like she's you know, he or she is committing

2301
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:32,560
Speaker 3: to leaving the shoot, is when I'll reach up and

2302
01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 3: spur them out, get a hold of them with my feet.

2303
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 3: Then I'll have to hold my feet in the front

2304
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:39,559
Speaker 3: of her, you know, above her shoulders or his shoulders,

2305
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:43,840
Speaker 3: until the front feet hit the ground. Ideally, how they

2306
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:45,600
Speaker 3: teach it is you want to have you want to

2307
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 3: spur the horse out for two jumps, which means you

2308
01:52:48,520 --> 01:52:50,559
Speaker 3: you know, you you leave your feet in the front

2309
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 3: of the neck for the first two jumps, and then

2310
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:55,600
Speaker 3: after that you have to pick up the timing and

2311
01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 3: you want to beat the horse to the ground with

2312
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 3: your spur stroke. So as that horse is breaking and

2313
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:03,880
Speaker 3: coming coming over, and then as it starts to kick

2314
01:53:04,439 --> 01:53:06,719
Speaker 3: and come back to the ground. You want to already

2315
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:07,960
Speaker 3: have your feet in its neck.

2316
01:53:10,040 --> 01:53:11,120
Speaker 2: But what is that for?

2317
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:16,679
Speaker 3: Uh? You can, it's you. You can honestly ride. You could.

2318
01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:18,599
Speaker 3: They couldn't blow you out of there with a cannon

2319
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:21,880
Speaker 3: if you're if you're ahead of the horse. So that's

2320
01:53:21,880 --> 01:53:24,519
Speaker 3: why they call the classic ventnors. It's like riding a

2321
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:27,639
Speaker 3: rocking chair. If you get behind and you know you're

2322
01:53:28,200 --> 01:53:31,400
Speaker 3: you're spurring, you're hitting the front as the horse's front

2323
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:34,160
Speaker 3: feet are hitting the ground, or even after it you

2324
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:36,600
Speaker 3: take you take all the power of the horse. So

2325
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:38,479
Speaker 3: that's when you start to see guys like when they

2326
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 3: get their chin popped and they're you know, getting strung out,

2327
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:44,120
Speaker 3: and then it just turns your ride progressively, Like I

2328
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 3: mean that you can catch up and get ahead of

2329
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:48,040
Speaker 3: them again. It'll cause you to mess up a jump

2330
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:50,800
Speaker 3: or two, which obviously reflects in your score, or it

2331
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 3: can just kind of foul up the entire ride.

2332
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:55,360
Speaker 2: And if you're out of time.

2333
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:59,479
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, what's the significance of the we're not there yet,

2334
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:03,080
Speaker 1: But what is the significance of eight seconds?

2335
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:04,120
Speaker 2: Like where did that ever come from?

2336
01:54:04,439 --> 01:54:06,519
Speaker 3: I don't know. It used to be used to be

2337
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:09,720
Speaker 3: ten Okay, I think they just shorten it. I'm not

2338
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:10,120
Speaker 3: really sure.

2339
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:11,840
Speaker 2: It's not like a Spanish tradition.

2340
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:14,360
Speaker 3: Or no, I'm not sure where the eight seconds come from.

2341
01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, how well do you know when

2342
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:20,160
Speaker 2: you're there, like.

2343
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:23,320
Speaker 3: Well, they have a horn that goes off anyway, Yeah,

2344
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 3: you have a you have an internal clock, and you

2345
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:25,960
Speaker 3: have a pretty good idea.

2346
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:29,320
Speaker 5: How far into the ride do you know if it's

2347
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:32,040
Speaker 5: going to be a spectacular ride or it's a dud?

2348
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:36,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, just I mean you can It kind of depends

2349
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:38,400
Speaker 3: on the ride. Like you know, you get on a horse,

2350
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:42,920
Speaker 3: maybe the first three or four jumps are you know, outstanding,

2351
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:44,880
Speaker 3: and it's looking like you're going to be eighty eight,

2352
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:47,920
Speaker 3: and then he kind of peters out or trails off

2353
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 3: at the end, and you know his last three jumps

2354
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 3: was a seventy seven, so then you end up being

2355
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:53,480
Speaker 3: eighty two.

2356
01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:56,160
Speaker 2: So basically, riders get off.

2357
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:58,920
Speaker 1: I used to ice be confused about, but this this

2358
01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 1: conversation's homes playing it. Did you see riders get off?

2359
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:03,960
Speaker 1: You know you think they tore it.

2360
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,920
Speaker 2: Up and they get off on their piss. Yeah, it's

2361
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:08,760
Speaker 2: kicking the dirt, throwing it. And I was like, what

2362
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:14,840
Speaker 2: they're pissed as the horse.

2363
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it could be or something, you know,

2364
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:20,240
Speaker 3: maybe something that they they maybe weren't happy with themselves

2365
01:55:20,280 --> 01:55:25,120
Speaker 3: that they did. No, the intricacies of horse bucks hard

2366
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:27,320
Speaker 3: from start to finish, and you ride it really well,

2367
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:31,440
Speaker 3: you're gonna get a big score no matter what you said.

2368
01:55:31,880 --> 01:55:34,840
Speaker 6: You snug down your hat. Aren't a lot of folks

2369
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:38,000
Speaker 6: wearing like full face protection and helmets these days?

2370
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:40,520
Speaker 3: And the bull riding, just the bull riding. Yeah, No,

2371
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 3: bron graders were helmets. I mean there's maybe one, wow, so.

2372
01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:47,040
Speaker 6: One smart BRONC rider and out of the whole crew.

2373
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:49,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he wore a helmet because he had a

2374
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:52,200
Speaker 3: soft spot on his skull from a previous injury.

2375
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:53,360
Speaker 5: That makes sense.

2376
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:54,920
Speaker 2: He was laid to the game.

2377
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 11: Yea.

2378
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:56,760
Speaker 3: His nickname was Helmet.

2379
01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:02,680
Speaker 2: You'll know when you see yeah old skid Land. How

2380
01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 2: often do you how often do you get like what

2381
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:06,240
Speaker 2: percentage of the time do you get thrown off?

2382
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:07,520
Speaker 3: Well?

2383
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 2: I don't.

2384
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:10,920
Speaker 3: I mean this year I've been bucked off twice, I guess.

2385
01:56:12,160 --> 01:56:14,640
Speaker 2: And what's the most common, So that'd be like wait,

2386
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:15,320
Speaker 2: that that'd be like.

2387
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:20,480
Speaker 1: It's just less likely to happen, right, And when you

2388
01:56:20,520 --> 01:56:22,640
Speaker 1: get bucked off. Are you like I screwed up? Or

2389
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:24,520
Speaker 1: is it that that horse had an amazing move.

2390
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:29,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's usually it's it's on me obviously, because it's

2391
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:31,920
Speaker 3: I mean the horses, you're dancing partner, they're out there

2392
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:34,320
Speaker 3: making they're in the lead right and you're making the

2393
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:37,520
Speaker 3: counter move. So obviously if I get bucked off, there's

2394
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:43,320
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't do something correct, But there's there's

2395
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:47,440
Speaker 3: just times, I mean, you can't. It's inevible. It's gonna happen,

2396
01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:50,840
Speaker 3: especially if you get on enough of them. Like the

2397
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:52,520
Speaker 3: other day at the Canadian Finals, they bucked me off

2398
01:56:52,520 --> 01:56:55,520
Speaker 3: the first round, and I knew it was coming a

2399
01:56:55,600 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 3: horse that had bucked you know, all the all the

2400
01:56:57,880 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 3: best bront riders going off that same way. And I

2401
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:03,280
Speaker 3: figured out a pretty good game plan for her, and

2402
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:05,200
Speaker 3: she did. She did to me what she does to

2403
01:57:05,240 --> 01:57:05,960
Speaker 3: everybody else.

2404
01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:07,520
Speaker 2: But you knew that it was coming and what it

2405
01:57:07,600 --> 01:57:07,840
Speaker 2: might be.

2406
01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:09,200
Speaker 12: But I was doing every Like I.

2407
01:57:09,240 --> 01:57:11,080
Speaker 3: Watched the tape back and I was doing it. I

2408
01:57:11,200 --> 01:57:12,480
Speaker 3: was doing everything pretty cool.

2409
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:14,120
Speaker 2: What was what was she doing? What was the thing?

2410
01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:17,000
Speaker 3: Like she just turns out of there and like the

2411
01:57:17,120 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 3: first two jumps are really big and I had her

2412
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:21,680
Speaker 3: spurred out and I was gonna hold my feet for

2413
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:24,360
Speaker 3: two jumps. So like the second jump, or like the

2414
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 3: first jump was is pretty good, Like it's a big jump,

2415
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:29,480
Speaker 3: but like she's pretty honest about it. The second jump

2416
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:33,640
Speaker 3: she like really elevates and and moves away what they

2417
01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:36,160
Speaker 3: call so like she starts to really jump forward, which

2418
01:57:36,280 --> 01:57:38,160
Speaker 3: makes you want to run out the back of your saddle.

2419
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:40,920
Speaker 3: But then on top of that, like what is your

2420
01:57:41,320 --> 01:57:43,720
Speaker 3: your balance point or your pivot point, is your bronchrain

2421
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:46,840
Speaker 3: with that she moved is moving forward, but then giving

2422
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:51,040
Speaker 3: her giving her head back to you. Well, that's that's

2423
01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:53,880
Speaker 3: the thing. You all the pressure, like the pressure on

2424
01:57:53,960 --> 01:57:56,120
Speaker 3: your rain is what holds your butt down in your saddle.

2425
01:57:56,600 --> 01:57:59,080
Speaker 3: So when she's starting to make a thirty foot jump

2426
01:57:59,160 --> 01:58:02,520
Speaker 3: that way, play giving her head that way. I just

2427
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:04,640
Speaker 3: slid out the back and off.

2428
01:58:05,440 --> 01:58:09,280
Speaker 2: But looking back, like I was doing that, that could happen. Yeah,

2429
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:09,960
Speaker 2: how are you?

2430
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:11,800
Speaker 5: How are you going to count?

2431
01:58:11,960 --> 01:58:12,960
Speaker 6: Did you learn something?

2432
01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:13,640
Speaker 5: Do you feel like?

2433
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:15,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. I watched the thing and I was like,

2434
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:19,080
Speaker 3: I don't know what I would do different. I'll probably

2435
01:58:19,160 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 3: draw her again and I'll probably try it the same way.

2436
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:23,920
Speaker 3: I was doing things pretty pretty right.

2437
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:30,280
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, So, uh, what are the you laid out

2438
01:58:30,280 --> 01:58:31,720
Speaker 1: a number of injuries and talk about the woman you

2439
01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:33,760
Speaker 1: were a kid, but like, like at your level, now.

2440
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:36,320
Speaker 2: What's the thing that you worry about happening? Like, like,

2441
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:38,480
Speaker 2: what would be the thing that winds up banging up?

2442
01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:42,120
Speaker 3: You don't really worry about any of it happening. I mean,

2443
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:45,800
Speaker 3: obviously it can't happen. I mean, if you're worried about

2444
01:58:45,800 --> 01:58:49,120
Speaker 3: getting hurt, you probably shouldn't do it. But I mean

2445
01:58:49,200 --> 01:58:51,720
Speaker 3: it's it's a high contact sport for sure, and injuries

2446
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:57,839
Speaker 3: are going to happen, big ones for broncraders, groins, knees, ankles.

2447
01:58:57,920 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 3: I seem to do a knee or an ankle every year.

2448
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:03,000
Speaker 3: So is it is it mostly like twisting and falling, Yeah,

2449
01:59:03,160 --> 01:59:05,880
Speaker 3: more than ligament stuff, more than getting like more than

2450
01:59:05,920 --> 01:59:08,880
Speaker 3: getting stepped on or banged into into the into the

2451
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:12,000
Speaker 3: arena walls. Yeah yeah. And I mean things do happen

2452
01:59:12,280 --> 01:59:14,480
Speaker 3: like rex in the bron grading or I mean, they're

2453
01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:17,280
Speaker 3: they're few and far between. Uh for the most part.

2454
01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 3: I mean, you can you can get into a situation

2455
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:22,680
Speaker 3: that is just unavoidable and and get kind of wiped

2456
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:26,080
Speaker 3: out or whatever. But like, like for me this year,

2457
01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:28,520
Speaker 3: like I sprained the snot out of my ankle pretty good.

2458
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:30,080
Speaker 3: And it was just getting off on the pickup and

2459
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:32,600
Speaker 3: I just got off and stepped in a hole wrong

2460
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:35,840
Speaker 3: and rolled my ankle, you know. On dramatic Yeah, very

2461
01:59:36,120 --> 01:59:39,440
Speaker 3: very just not even a cool story. But you know,

2462
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:42,480
Speaker 3: like knees twisting the wrong way and stirrups, like you

2463
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:44,800
Speaker 3: say you're getting bucked off or coming off and your

2464
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:47,120
Speaker 3: stirrup hangs on your on your foot for a second,

2465
01:59:47,160 --> 01:59:50,640
Speaker 3: and twist your knee the wrong way. You know, legaments

2466
01:59:50,640 --> 01:59:53,360
Speaker 3: and knees and and growing seem to be be hard

2467
01:59:53,400 --> 01:59:54,160
Speaker 3: on bron graders.

2468
01:59:54,200 --> 01:59:56,320
Speaker 2: Got it? Is there a lot of groupies in the

2469
01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:56,960
Speaker 2: rodeo world.

2470
01:59:57,960 --> 02:00:01,320
Speaker 3: I mean there's some you yeah, all right, yeah, I

2471
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:02,840
Speaker 3: see you're married though I'm married.

2472
02:00:02,920 --> 02:00:03,840
Speaker 2: Ye oh, you've been married.

2473
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:06,920
Speaker 3: I've been married. This will be well. I just have

2474
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:08,760
Speaker 3: my anniversary the other day seven years.

2475
02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:11,640
Speaker 2: Oh, what's going on with that? Going good?

2476
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:14,640
Speaker 3: Oh, it's really good. I have We've got three kids,

2477
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:18,440
Speaker 3: who just welcomed our third one two weeks ago. My

2478
02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:21,080
Speaker 3: oldest daughter, Lucy is five. I got a boy, Hardy,

2479
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:25,520
Speaker 3: he's two. And then Maggie is two weeks old. Yawn,

2480
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:28,760
Speaker 3: got it going on? No, you like being married though

2481
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:29,560
Speaker 3: I love being married.

2482
02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:31,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the right hand.

2483
02:00:31,120 --> 02:00:32,000
Speaker 12: That's the right answer.

2484
02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:36,440
Speaker 2: The podcast have You Really Dumb? Sound different?

2485
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 9: Like, what's the gap between you and the other guys

2486
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:41,960
Speaker 9: going in? Because the NFR or what when.

2487
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:44,640
Speaker 10: This drops is like two weeks away?

2488
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:46,720
Speaker 3: What's the gap.

2489
02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:48,000
Speaker 12: Between you and the other guys?

2490
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:52,200
Speaker 3: Between me and first Yeah? Probably like right around thirty thousand,

2491
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:57,640
Speaker 3: which ain't much because last year I think First Place

2492
02:00:57,680 --> 02:00:59,400
Speaker 3: had one hundred and fifteen thousand on me.

2493
02:01:00,600 --> 02:01:04,360
Speaker 2: I got them kidding me? Same number? Oh no, probably

2494
02:01:04,440 --> 02:01:07,840
Speaker 2: not the same number? Did you guys? Did you guys

2495
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:09,240
Speaker 2: both hit the one hundred mark or no?

2496
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:10,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2497
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:15,160
Speaker 2: Like, what do you like the like their way over that? Yeah?

2498
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, like for the year one? Right now, I think

2499
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:20,120
Speaker 3: I have two hundred and twenty three thousand one or something.

2500
02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:22,840
Speaker 2: No, No, I meant when you said like the guy

2501
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:27,320
Speaker 2: being over, I said, I meant when you look at

2502
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:30,280
Speaker 2: like who's top? Does it matter how many events they

2503
02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:31,280
Speaker 2: took place in? Oh?

2504
02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:33,560
Speaker 3: Like how many I got you? Yeah? No, you can

2505
02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:35,840
Speaker 3: go to you can use all hundred or you can

2506
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:38,920
Speaker 3: use I mean I usually use around you know, eighty

2507
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:40,280
Speaker 3: seventy five to.

2508
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:42,120
Speaker 2: Eighty five, and is that a common number.

2509
02:01:42,680 --> 02:01:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, most guys, I mean, some guys like to make

2510
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:46,720
Speaker 3: sure they use all one hundred and give themselves the

2511
02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:49,920
Speaker 3: very best chance. Other guys, you know, like for me,

2512
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:51,520
Speaker 3: I have a lot of other things going on at

2513
02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:53,960
Speaker 3: home and stuff, So I mean I I mean going

2514
02:01:54,040 --> 02:01:57,240
Speaker 3: to eighty rodeos for me, that's that's that's really doing it.

2515
02:01:57,680 --> 02:01:58,960
Speaker 2: So if you're on a plane, so this is what

2516
02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:00,240
Speaker 2: do you do for a living? What do you say?

2517
02:02:00,480 --> 02:02:02,520
Speaker 3: It's the hardest thing to explain to people. You see

2518
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:05,280
Speaker 3: you look at you, they think you're crazy. You're telling

2519
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:07,440
Speaker 3: me your professional broncrider and they're like, what's that?

2520
02:02:07,960 --> 02:02:08,000
Speaker 4: Like?

2521
02:02:08,160 --> 02:02:13,080
Speaker 3: My ass, I'm a gypsy that travels around and gets

2522
02:02:13,120 --> 02:02:14,600
Speaker 3: on horses that try to throw me off.

2523
02:02:15,000 --> 02:02:16,400
Speaker 2: So you will tell people that's what you do.

2524
02:02:16,680 --> 02:02:19,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and some people some people are are you know,

2525
02:02:19,960 --> 02:02:22,120
Speaker 3: You'll run into people on airplanes that are huge radio

2526
02:02:22,160 --> 02:02:24,480
Speaker 3: fans that you wouldn't even think and other people, you know,

2527
02:02:24,640 --> 02:02:27,640
Speaker 3: might be upstate New York and I don't even know

2528
02:02:27,720 --> 02:02:29,160
Speaker 3: what and the feed goes in the horse.

2529
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:32,400
Speaker 2: I only ever, so if I'm ever in that conversation.

2530
02:02:32,520 --> 02:02:34,360
Speaker 1: I only ever say that. I say I'm a writer,

2531
02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:36,720
Speaker 1: and they go what, And I say books and magazine stuff.

2532
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all ever say. I never.

2533
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:43,760
Speaker 6: I'm familiar with books and magazine.

2534
02:02:45,680 --> 02:02:45,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2535
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:48,160
Speaker 2: I could picture at some point in your life you

2536
02:02:48,280 --> 02:02:51,839
Speaker 2: just be like ranching, ranching because if you say cowboy

2537
02:02:51,880 --> 02:02:53,600
Speaker 2: that yeah.

2538
02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:57,200
Speaker 8: One thing, one thing to know, you know, and he

2539
02:02:57,320 --> 02:02:59,880
Speaker 8: said that, you know, they could be thirty thousand dollars

2540
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:02,880
Speaker 8: from the next guy. Those guys take their yearly earnings

2541
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:05,720
Speaker 8: and then once they get to the NFR, there's ten rounds.

2542
02:03:06,280 --> 02:03:08,760
Speaker 8: Each round of the NFR pays really good. So like

2543
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:11,640
Speaker 8: last year was it like twenty eight thousand dollars thirty

2544
02:03:11,720 --> 02:03:14,000
Speaker 8: this year thirty thousand dollars to win one round to

2545
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:16,520
Speaker 8: the NFR, So you got ten goes. So say on

2546
02:03:16,720 --> 02:03:19,320
Speaker 8: night one you show up and Zeke wins round one

2547
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:20,800
Speaker 8: of the NFR and the guy who is ahead of

2548
02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:24,000
Speaker 8: him doesn't win any money. Well, now they're tied. So

2549
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:26,200
Speaker 8: what will happen is you have this year long race

2550
02:03:26,280 --> 02:03:28,440
Speaker 8: to get to the top fifteen to get to the NFR.

2551
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:31,360
Speaker 8: But as soon as you get to the NFR. Man

2552
02:03:31,400 --> 02:03:33,040
Speaker 8: there's been times when the guy who came in in

2553
02:03:33,160 --> 02:03:36,240
Speaker 8: fifteenth place, has jumped up ahead and won world title

2554
02:03:36,840 --> 02:03:39,160
Speaker 8: because it's your year end money. So it's the year

2555
02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:42,400
Speaker 8: and the NFR, and so for the for these guys

2556
02:03:42,520 --> 02:03:45,680
Speaker 8: just getting to the NFR, they'll make oftentimes more money

2557
02:03:45,760 --> 02:03:47,440
Speaker 8: at the NFR in ten days than they made in

2558
02:03:47,480 --> 02:03:48,520
Speaker 8: the rest of their whole season.

2559
02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:51,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got Strett to get hot.

2560
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:54,320
Speaker 2: Man. The more we're talking, man, I'm really seeing an

2561
02:03:54,360 --> 02:03:56,840
Speaker 2: approach where you just sand bag all year. Just go

2562
02:03:56,960 --> 02:03:58,400
Speaker 2: down there and tear it a new one. Man.

2563
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:00,600
Speaker 3: That's strategy.

2564
02:04:02,120 --> 02:04:03,680
Speaker 2: Prom is you got to draw good to do that.

2565
02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:06,160
Speaker 3: You gotta make it though, which means if you make it,

2566
02:04:06,280 --> 02:04:08,600
Speaker 3: you gotta be I mean, if you make the NFR,

2567
02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:09,480
Speaker 3: you're doing pretty good.

2568
02:04:09,560 --> 02:04:10,280
Speaker 8: It's hard to make.

2569
02:04:10,480 --> 02:04:13,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got you. So, Like, there's probably four hundred

2570
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:16,760
Speaker 3: Bronc riders that hold a PRC A card. I don't

2571
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:19,600
Speaker 3: I'm just guessing somewhere in there, only fifteen of them

2572
02:04:19,680 --> 02:04:20,480
Speaker 3: get to go to the NFR.

2573
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:24,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think like there's like quite a

2574
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:27,920
Speaker 9: few people that would say they're professional BRONC riders that

2575
02:04:28,240 --> 02:04:29,320
Speaker 9: don't go to the NFR.

2576
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:31,360
Speaker 5: Yeah you have.

2577
02:04:31,400 --> 02:04:33,520
Speaker 1: But Brian Harmon, were you here when the professional golfer

2578
02:04:33,600 --> 02:04:37,920
Speaker 1: Brian Harmer was on, no, there's some golden ticket, Like

2579
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:40,720
Speaker 1: what was he saying? There's like a golden ticket if

2580
02:04:40,760 --> 02:04:42,760
Speaker 1: you win something or another you get to skip all

2581
02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:44,680
Speaker 1: the bs and you know you're going.

2582
02:04:44,840 --> 02:04:49,000
Speaker 12: Yea not yeah a not.

2583
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:52,720
Speaker 5: A Master's is one of the I believe four majors.

2584
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:56,640
Speaker 5: And if you win a major, then you are you

2585
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:58,800
Speaker 5: get to keep your card for like whatever you said.

2586
02:05:00,040 --> 02:05:03,000
Speaker 2: Don't have that rodeo like like you win and like buddy,

2587
02:05:03,120 --> 02:05:04,120
Speaker 2: take it off, take it easy.

2588
02:05:04,200 --> 02:05:05,920
Speaker 3: Next year, you got to do it all over again

2589
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:06,680
Speaker 3: from scratch.

2590
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what right now? How long do you think

2591
02:05:10,720 --> 02:05:12,200
Speaker 1: your ride for? Are you just gonna wait it out?

2592
02:05:12,240 --> 02:05:13,320
Speaker 1: Or do you got like an exit plan?

2593
02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:13,680
Speaker 11: No?

2594
02:05:14,040 --> 02:05:16,920
Speaker 3: I mean, and it's I'll probably just know. I'll know

2595
02:05:17,000 --> 02:05:19,800
Speaker 3: what I know. Mm hmm. You know, I'm healthy, I

2596
02:05:19,880 --> 02:05:21,960
Speaker 3: feel really good, So I got I got some good

2597
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:22,720
Speaker 3: years left in me.

2598
02:05:23,160 --> 02:05:26,280
Speaker 2: And what does your wife support you doing that kind

2599
02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:26,960
Speaker 2: of work? She likes it?

2600
02:05:27,080 --> 02:05:28,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah she. I wouldn't be able to do it

2601
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:32,040
Speaker 3: without her. She's she's been there with me every every

2602
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:35,240
Speaker 3: step of the way. Yeah she's She's not telling you that.

2603
02:05:35,320 --> 02:05:36,960
Speaker 3: She's just as much a part of it as I am.

2604
02:05:37,360 --> 02:05:39,080
Speaker 3: She travel with you a little bit.

2605
02:05:39,080 --> 02:05:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you are you able to bring your kids now?

2606
02:05:41,600 --> 02:05:43,680
Speaker 3: And then yeah, yeah, like they don't go a ton

2607
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:45,440
Speaker 3: like they obviously will get to quite a few of

2608
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:48,040
Speaker 3: the Canadian rodeos and stuff, and then like kind of

2609
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:49,960
Speaker 3: the end of the season when we're winding down, that's

2610
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:53,200
Speaker 3: like September like, so they come to Pendleton, hung out

2611
02:05:53,240 --> 02:05:55,080
Speaker 3: there for a week, you know, go to go to

2612
02:05:55,160 --> 02:05:55,440
Speaker 3: a few.

2613
02:05:55,800 --> 02:05:57,360
Speaker 2: Do you think you're going to have any riders in

2614
02:05:57,440 --> 02:05:57,920
Speaker 2: your family?

2615
02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:01,480
Speaker 3: My little boy, he really he means too, so it's

2616
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:03,520
Speaker 3: hard to tell, but he sure acts like he wants to.

2617
02:06:05,560 --> 02:06:10,760
Speaker 9: Do Yeah, And I think it's like this is why

2618
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:12,560
Speaker 9: I think, well, for a lot of reasons why I

2619
02:06:12,600 --> 02:06:15,720
Speaker 9: think pro rodeo is the best professional sport. So I

2620
02:06:16,080 --> 02:06:19,520
Speaker 9: went to Great Falls to watch Zeke. Jane and I

2621
02:06:19,600 --> 02:06:21,560
Speaker 9: get in the stands and I'm texting Zeke as they're

2622
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:24,120
Speaker 9: loading up the bucking horses, and Zeke's not there yet

2623
02:06:24,440 --> 02:06:27,000
Speaker 9: right like he's still like walking up the rodeo started.

2624
02:06:28,200 --> 02:06:31,080
Speaker 9: He was traveling with his daughter, walks up to the

2625
02:06:31,120 --> 02:06:34,280
Speaker 9: announcers stand and drops his daughter off with the announcer

2626
02:06:35,120 --> 02:06:37,960
Speaker 9: right goes over to.

2627
02:06:38,040 --> 02:06:38,680
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on her.

2628
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:40,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have a good seat.

2629
02:06:40,280 --> 02:06:41,160
Speaker 12: Yeah, good seat.

2630
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:44,600
Speaker 9: Gives her his phone so she can videotape him. Right,

2631
02:06:45,120 --> 02:06:48,240
Speaker 9: goes over, saddles his own horse, bucks out what that

2632
02:06:48,360 --> 02:06:49,960
Speaker 9: was like an eighty nine or something like that.

2633
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:54,120
Speaker 3: That night won the go round, won the rodeo.

2634
02:06:55,400 --> 02:06:56,080
Speaker 12: How much was that.

2635
02:06:58,440 --> 02:06:59,960
Speaker 3: Has added? Maybe got eight thousand?

2636
02:07:00,080 --> 02:07:04,760
Speaker 12: And then he gets off. It was just this amazing

2637
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:06,200
Speaker 12: ride too. We're watching it.

2638
02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:07,200
Speaker 5: He gets off.

2639
02:07:07,240 --> 02:07:08,640
Speaker 12: You see him walk up to his daughter.

2640
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:11,520
Speaker 9: Ten minutes later, get a text and he's like, hey,

2641
02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:17,200
Speaker 9: meeting the Buffalo Wings parking lot and it's like that's

2642
02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:17,880
Speaker 9: pro rodeo.

2643
02:07:18,240 --> 02:07:20,840
Speaker 12: Like where else? What other professional sport do you see that?

2644
02:07:21,160 --> 02:07:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? I can see it. I can see the appeal

2645
02:07:23,120 --> 02:07:25,480
Speaker 2: from that angle. Yeah, he says, like the only blue

2646
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:26,400
Speaker 2: collar sport left.

2647
02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:26,560
Speaker 9: Right.

2648
02:07:26,600 --> 02:07:30,320
Speaker 5: I got one follow up. You mentioned earlier that the

2649
02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:34,560
Speaker 5: I'm gonna forget that not the sinch, but the flank strap.

2650
02:07:35,080 --> 02:07:37,440
Speaker 5: That there's a myth that like cinches up the testicles

2651
02:07:37,480 --> 02:07:37,880
Speaker 5: and that's.

2652
02:07:37,720 --> 02:07:39,760
Speaker 2: What makes them. I've been told that. Yeah.

2653
02:07:41,240 --> 02:07:44,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, so just like the set it straight for that strap.

2654
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:47,600
Speaker 3: Okay, so the flank strap is just it's just a

2655
02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:50,120
Speaker 3: piece of it's just a leather strap and then it's

2656
02:07:50,240 --> 02:07:54,760
Speaker 3: covered in sheepskin like wool, and it's the equivalent to you,

2657
02:07:55,600 --> 02:07:58,800
Speaker 3: you know, tightening up your belt like the horses and

2658
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:00,920
Speaker 3: the animals are bred to do it that it's just

2659
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:05,640
Speaker 3: basically an encourager for them to kick. So you put

2660
02:08:05,640 --> 02:08:07,680
Speaker 3: a flank on, Like, they'll still buck without the flank,

2661
02:08:08,760 --> 02:08:11,880
Speaker 3: but the flank just encourages them to kick harder and higher.

2662
02:08:13,200 --> 02:08:15,000
Speaker 3: So it's just it's just a leather strap. It's got

2663
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:16,160
Speaker 3: a quick release buckle on.

2664
02:08:16,200 --> 02:08:21,280
Speaker 5: It, so rice because after the ride you see them.

2665
02:08:22,120 --> 02:08:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's usually quit. Got an eight foot lad to

2666
02:08:24,280 --> 02:08:26,680
Speaker 3: go on it, two rings on each end with quick

2667
02:08:26,920 --> 02:08:30,000
Speaker 3: release buckle. They've got the sheep skin that goes, you know,

2668
02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:33,680
Speaker 3: around the horses around its mid section or whatever. They

2669
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:36,880
Speaker 3: pull the flank, you know, the horse goes out there, bucks,

2670
02:08:37,200 --> 02:08:39,960
Speaker 3: the whistle goes, the rides over, the pick them in,

2671
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:42,280
Speaker 3: ride in, they trip, the quick release, the flank falls

2672
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:44,560
Speaker 3: on the ground out the horse goes.

2673
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:46,560
Speaker 8: Do you have one other quick thing to note when

2674
02:08:46,600 --> 02:08:49,960
Speaker 8: you look at flank straps on horses and bulls, anatomically

2675
02:08:50,840 --> 02:08:53,640
Speaker 8: it would be impossible to go around their testicles or

2676
02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:58,920
Speaker 8: anything like that. Anatomically, it doesn't work, so it yeah it.

2677
02:08:59,200 --> 02:09:02,320
Speaker 3: Has it doesn't work like and and horses like they

2678
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:05,960
Speaker 3: they don't perform under like if you have a saddle

2679
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:08,880
Speaker 3: that doesn't fit right, it can you know, and it

2680
02:09:09,240 --> 02:09:12,000
Speaker 3: is pinching the horse, you know somewhere that and it's

2681
02:09:12,160 --> 02:09:14,920
Speaker 3: you know, inflicting pain. It could take you know, maybe

2682
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:17,080
Speaker 3: the best bucking horse in the world and make it

2683
02:09:17,200 --> 02:09:20,480
Speaker 3: have a terrible day because like, you can inflict pain

2684
02:09:20,600 --> 02:09:23,520
Speaker 3: like they don't. They don't perform under under those circumstances.

2685
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:26,040
Speaker 3: The blue, red and flank is a six foot cotton

2686
02:09:26,160 --> 02:09:30,480
Speaker 3: rope with a ring on it. So when you no genitalia,

2687
02:09:30,520 --> 02:09:32,400
Speaker 3: they're no different than us. If you're in pain, you're

2688
02:09:32,440 --> 02:09:34,520
Speaker 3: not going to perform your sport at the highest level.

2689
02:09:34,600 --> 02:09:37,600
Speaker 3: And my belt's not around my going ads right lucky

2690
02:09:37,680 --> 02:09:38,720
Speaker 3: for you right now it's not.

2691
02:09:39,200 --> 02:09:42,160
Speaker 5: But is that like, so it must be somewhat of

2692
02:09:42,240 --> 02:09:45,840
Speaker 5: a trained thing then right, like as they're they only

2693
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:48,520
Speaker 5: get that strap when this one thing happens, right, so

2694
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:52,600
Speaker 5: they know, oh the strap's on, it's time, it's go time.

2695
02:09:52,840 --> 02:09:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, remember how in the beginning we were talking about

2696
02:09:54,880 --> 02:09:56,840
Speaker 1: like the second act. You know that you might retire

2697
02:09:56,880 --> 02:09:58,360
Speaker 1: from this and go on to something. You'll just go

2698
02:09:58,480 --> 02:10:01,320
Speaker 1: so seamlessly into ranching though, right, Yeah, I.

2699
02:10:01,360 --> 02:10:03,800
Speaker 3: Mean for sure, I got a lot of hobbies that

2700
02:10:04,280 --> 02:10:05,840
Speaker 3: I'm pretty excited to get time to do.

2701
02:10:06,160 --> 02:10:07,320
Speaker 2: You're gonna go home and hunt right now.

2702
02:10:07,320 --> 02:10:09,879
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do a lot of hunting ranching.

2703
02:10:10,240 --> 02:10:11,600
Speaker 2: You got three weeks to hunt right now.

2704
02:10:11,880 --> 02:10:14,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you go hunt, hunt before the n f R.

2705
02:10:16,840 --> 02:10:21,440
Speaker 3: Mule deer, white tail. My wife has a cow out draw.

2706
02:10:23,120 --> 02:10:23,800
Speaker 2: She likes to hunt.

2707
02:10:23,920 --> 02:10:24,560
Speaker 3: She likes to hunt.

2708
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:25,280
Speaker 2: That's great.

2709
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:25,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2710
02:10:26,080 --> 02:10:29,920
Speaker 6: A friend of mine, Alberta Gal, just whacked day really

2711
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:31,920
Speaker 6: nice mule deer. So there's one last for you.

2712
02:10:32,080 --> 02:10:34,440
Speaker 2: He showed me some pictures that are pretty amazing. Well, yeah,

2713
02:10:34,520 --> 02:10:35,040
Speaker 2: he showed me a.

2714
02:10:36,520 --> 02:10:37,160
Speaker 6: Calgary right.

2715
02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's right from your randy place.

2716
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:45,680
Speaker 6: Everybody knows. Everybody knows your schedule.

2717
02:10:45,840 --> 02:10:52,440
Speaker 2: She parachuted. And then, uh so are you in the

2718
02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:55,640
Speaker 2: cattle business now too, Are you're invested in cattle?

2719
02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:56,040
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2720
02:10:56,160 --> 02:10:58,640
Speaker 3: So like we Yeah, we run, we have some Me

2721
02:10:58,720 --> 02:11:01,600
Speaker 3: and my wife have some caw calf pairs mama cows.

2722
02:11:02,560 --> 02:11:05,360
Speaker 3: And then you know, for what I do. It works

2723
02:11:05,440 --> 02:11:07,640
Speaker 3: better for for us because we're gone so much in

2724
02:11:07,680 --> 02:11:10,640
Speaker 3: the winter rodeo and is we run what they call grassers.

2725
02:11:11,400 --> 02:11:13,960
Speaker 3: It's kind of the middle phase of you know, the

2726
02:11:14,040 --> 02:11:18,280
Speaker 3: beef industry. So we get yearlings in in the spring,

2727
02:11:18,720 --> 02:11:20,680
Speaker 3: run among grass all summer before they go to the

2728
02:11:20,720 --> 02:11:22,240
Speaker 3: feed lots and they're off the door, and then we

2729
02:11:22,240 --> 02:11:25,320
Speaker 3: don't have them around. And no, so we don't because

2730
02:11:25,320 --> 02:11:26,960
Speaker 3: we have we have a place in Texas and and

2731
02:11:27,080 --> 02:11:29,360
Speaker 3: all the winter rodeos start in January. So me and

2732
02:11:29,440 --> 02:11:31,000
Speaker 3: the family we load up head.

2733
02:11:30,840 --> 02:11:34,800
Speaker 2: To Texas and uh based down there for the winter stuff.

2734
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:37,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, for about three months. We usually leave red after

2735
02:11:37,720 --> 02:11:40,400
Speaker 3: after Christmas or New Year's and and be down there

2736
02:11:40,520 --> 02:11:43,280
Speaker 3: till you know, the first first or second week of April.

2737
02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:44,880
Speaker 2: Do you guys got to homeschool with your kids?

2738
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:49,080
Speaker 3: Well, I mean Lucy's just this is her first year kindergarten,

2739
02:11:49,200 --> 02:11:53,440
Speaker 3: so yeah, they're still pretty and she'll just yeah, well

2740
02:11:53,680 --> 02:11:55,440
Speaker 3: she'll just take her school work with her and and

2741
02:11:55,560 --> 02:11:59,440
Speaker 3: stuff for this the first few years. When she gets

2742
02:11:59,440 --> 02:12:00,960
Speaker 3: a little older. I I'm not sure what we'll do,

2743
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:04,280
Speaker 3: but uh, yeah, we don't. We don't keep try not

2744
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:06,120
Speaker 3: to keep too many animals around in the wintertime, just

2745
02:12:06,280 --> 02:12:07,120
Speaker 3: just because we're not home.

2746
02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:11,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So on this mule, your hunt you got like that,

2747
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:15,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna embark on tomorrow presumably, do you got like

2748
02:12:15,120 --> 02:12:16,480
Speaker 1: a goal in mind?

2749
02:12:16,520 --> 02:12:17,640
Speaker 2: You got a buck you've been watching.

2750
02:12:18,160 --> 02:12:21,200
Speaker 3: Actually, that's that's the other downside of rodeo is I

2751
02:12:21,240 --> 02:12:25,520
Speaker 3: don't get to be around enough in September October to

2752
02:12:25,680 --> 02:12:28,280
Speaker 3: know what's around. I do know, I haven't seen laid

2753
02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:31,640
Speaker 3: eyes on them, but they the neighbors say, there's there's

2754
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:36,040
Speaker 3: a cranker not far away really, so yeah, we'll probably

2755
02:12:36,040 --> 02:12:37,200
Speaker 3: be poking around looking for him.

2756
02:12:37,720 --> 02:12:39,360
Speaker 5: Rifle or archery rifle.

2757
02:12:40,920 --> 02:12:43,840
Speaker 2: And it's spot and stock meal. Do you hunt right? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2758
02:12:44,240 --> 02:12:46,040
Speaker 2: got ya. When you guys are hunt white tails, you

2759
02:12:46,120 --> 02:12:47,720
Speaker 2: hunt them down the bottoms like river bottoms.

2760
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:50,960
Speaker 3: So like we live four miles off of east of

2761
02:12:51,040 --> 02:12:53,840
Speaker 3: the Red Deer River. You'll get white tails mule deers

2762
02:12:53,880 --> 02:12:57,880
Speaker 3: down there. But we we got enough like there's enough

2763
02:12:58,080 --> 02:13:01,160
Speaker 3: mixture between passenger and grain farming where we're at that

2764
02:13:01,320 --> 02:13:05,360
Speaker 3: the the whitetail get in like the poplar brush and stuff,

2765
02:13:05,920 --> 02:13:07,240
Speaker 3: you know, bed and there in the day and then

2766
02:13:07,320 --> 02:13:09,680
Speaker 3: they come out and feed and in the evening and stuff.

2767
02:13:09,760 --> 02:13:12,160
Speaker 3: So there's actually there's there's a lot of both around

2768
02:13:12,920 --> 02:13:15,440
Speaker 3: and you don't farm at all. I I own some

2769
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:18,960
Speaker 3: farm ground. I don't farm it myself, but it gets

2770
02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:20,680
Speaker 3: farmed by my in laws for me.

2771
02:13:21,000 --> 02:13:23,280
Speaker 2: Oh got it. Yeah, but you'll hunt that farmer.

2772
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:24,680
Speaker 3: I'll hunt that oh yeah, all right.

2773
02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:26,960
Speaker 2: And you're saying, you guys got some moose.

2774
02:13:26,840 --> 02:13:31,320
Speaker 3: Running around, Yeah, we got moose elk, but it's hard

2775
02:13:31,360 --> 02:13:33,840
Speaker 3: to get the moose tag. Yeah, you're probably you're an

2776
02:13:33,880 --> 02:13:37,040
Speaker 3: eight on the moose probably, Yeah, you're probably eight years.

2777
02:13:37,400 --> 02:13:40,600
Speaker 2: And how often will you draw a bull elk tag?

2778
02:13:41,480 --> 02:13:43,240
Speaker 3: I mean, you can just buy an over the counter

2779
02:13:43,800 --> 02:13:48,200
Speaker 3: archery tag, but I think you're probably you're probably seven

2780
02:13:48,280 --> 02:13:49,240
Speaker 3: on your on your elk.

2781
02:13:49,560 --> 02:13:49,840
Speaker 9: Got it?

2782
02:13:50,000 --> 02:13:52,480
Speaker 6: Just keep in mind like I've been applying for moose

2783
02:13:52,760 --> 02:13:57,480
Speaker 6: here in Montana since I was twelve or yeah.

2784
02:13:57,480 --> 02:13:59,240
Speaker 2: And he's no closer to getting that tag than he

2785
02:13:59,360 --> 02:14:00,720
Speaker 2: was when he's yeah.

2786
02:14:00,680 --> 02:14:03,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly exactly. For me to be like, oh I

2787
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:07,000
Speaker 6: will is just like a fun game to play with myself.

2788
02:14:07,320 --> 02:14:10,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, all right, man, Well, thanks for coming on

2789
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:10,640
Speaker 2: the show.

2790
02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:12,160
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.

2791
02:14:12,520 --> 02:14:14,000
Speaker 1: Dude, I gotta tell you, on the scale of one

2792
02:14:14,080 --> 02:14:16,240
Speaker 1: to ten and rodeo knowledge, dude, I was like one

2793
02:14:17,160 --> 02:14:18,440
Speaker 1: on rodeo knowledge prior.

2794
02:14:18,520 --> 02:14:19,160
Speaker 2: Now I'm like a ten.

2795
02:14:19,240 --> 02:14:19,960
Speaker 3: You're ten now.

2796
02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:26,080
Speaker 2: For me decoys, any future questions, you bring them to me.

2797
02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:29,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, on rodeo goose decoys. I was like a negative

2798
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:33,440
Speaker 3: too before this morning. Brady got me lined out. I'm

2799
02:14:33,720 --> 02:14:36,040
Speaker 3: I'm freaking ten mm hmm. I can say we're gonna

2800
02:14:36,040 --> 02:14:38,360
Speaker 3: we're gonna do it again. Yeah, Brady's coming to Alberta.

2801
02:14:38,600 --> 02:14:40,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, me and Matt we're gonna head.

2802
02:14:40,080 --> 02:14:41,480
Speaker 2: Oh, they're gonna come up there and raise hell on

2803
02:14:41,600 --> 02:14:42,080
Speaker 2: your birds.

2804
02:14:42,200 --> 02:14:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2805
02:14:42,520 --> 02:14:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be fun.

2806
02:14:43,360 --> 02:14:45,160
Speaker 8: Well, you shoot him there and then track and then

2807
02:14:45,200 --> 02:14:46,880
Speaker 8: he can come back down Montana and we'll beat him

2808
02:14:46,920 --> 02:14:47,160
Speaker 8: up again.

2809
02:14:47,200 --> 02:14:48,920
Speaker 2: Here chase the same birds at you.

2810
02:14:49,720 --> 02:14:52,440
Speaker 12: We need uh everyone to to cheer them on. At

2811
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:55,000
Speaker 12: the NFR, look for that mediator logo.

2812
02:14:55,680 --> 02:14:58,880
Speaker 10: It's the only rodo athlete that has a meteor logo

2813
02:14:59,000 --> 02:14:59,520
Speaker 10: on his chest.

2814
02:14:59,560 --> 02:15:00,000
Speaker 12: Bucking up.

2815
02:15:00,080 --> 02:15:03,160
Speaker 3: Yep, cool, so cheerm on top right chest. When is

2816
02:15:03,200 --> 02:15:08,560
Speaker 3: the NFR December seventh? It starts seven sixteen days.

2817
02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:10,760
Speaker 2: I'll know when you get off that horse, I'll know

2818
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:12,840
Speaker 2: if you're waving that hat around or if you're kicking

2819
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:16,160
Speaker 2: the dirty I'll know what happened. That's definitely my first

2820
02:15:16,240 --> 02:15:16,880
Speaker 2: indication of.

2821
02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:20,600
Speaker 6: How the ride yeah, next to you and be like, so,

2822
02:15:22,200 --> 02:15:22,840
Speaker 6: let me walk.

2823
02:15:22,760 --> 02:15:25,160
Speaker 2: You through what s That'll be my first indication.

2824
02:15:25,240 --> 02:15:26,800
Speaker 3: You'll get a Sally or nothing at all.

2825
02:15:27,160 --> 02:15:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2826
02:15:28,240 --> 02:15:30,240
Speaker 5: We'll be on the live tour, so we'll be like check.

2827
02:15:31,240 --> 02:15:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right man, it's going on, and good luck.

2828
02:15:33,480 --> 02:15:33,880
Speaker 2: Hope you win.

2829
02:15:34,120 --> 02:15:34,680
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

2830
02:15:34,760 --> 02:15:35,520
Speaker 2: Hope you don't get hurt.

2831
02:15:35,720 --> 02:15:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, all right, man, Take care, be that.

2832
02:15:50,680 --> 02:16:03,960
Speaker 7: Seal shop like silver in the sun. Ride ride, ride

2833
02:16:04,240 --> 02:16:07,720
Speaker 7: on alone, sweetheart.

2834
02:16:08,600 --> 02:16:13,480
Speaker 4: We're done beat this damp horse to death, taking a

2835
02:16:13,680 --> 02:16:20,960
Speaker 4: new one and ride away. We're done beat this damn

2836
02:16:21,400 --> 02:16:26,640
Speaker 4: horse today, so take a new one and ride on.