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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Speaker 2: Suzanne Wilson as an Arizona based intuition educator, author, medium,
Speaker 2: and paranormal presenter. Suzanne is a scientifically verified research medium
Speaker 2: for a mainstream university and it's known as the care
Speaker 2: free medium. With a master's degree in Public Affairs policy,
Speaker 2: a bachelor's degree in management, and certifications from Stanford University,
Speaker 2: Suzanne is well recognized as a researcher and educator on
Speaker 2: a wide range of paranormal topics and as I mentioned,
Speaker 2: her latest work is called When Your Partner Doesn't Believe
Speaker 2: in the Paranormal? Where did you get that title? Suzanne?
Speaker 3: Hey, George, first off, thanks for having me back. It's
Speaker 3: always a pleasure. I have to tell you because so
Speaker 3: many people have asked me over the years, I can't
Speaker 3: celebrate this sign that I got from my loved one
Speaker 3: with my partner because they just don't believe in it.
Speaker 3: It's so frustrating. Or couples actually argue about whether there
Speaker 3: really is an afterlife. So with the help of Victor
Speaker 3: and Wendy zama. I put together a free ebook that
Speaker 3: people can download just to give them some tips and
Speaker 3: some help with it, because you know, disbelief runs rampant.
Speaker 2: Still, great idea. That's exactly why we created Paranormal date
Speaker 2: dot com because a lady had come up to me
Speaker 2: to at an event and she said, George, I was
Speaker 2: on a date and I started talking with the guy
Speaker 2: about UFOs and ghosts and he got up and left me.
Speaker 2: We got to meet people who get us and I
Speaker 2: went bingo and that's how that started.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's a brilliant idea, because we really want
Speaker 3: to celebrate the things that lift us up in this life.
Speaker 3: But it isn't always on the other party's path to
Speaker 3: believe the same as you. You know, this Earth school
Speaker 3: that we're in is full of contrasts that help us
Speaker 3: to grow. But my goal is to help everybody who
Speaker 3: wants to realize and invite and receive their own direct
Speaker 3: communications there after death communications themselves without having to get
Speaker 3: a reading.
Speaker 2: Tell us, Suzanne, how you got involved in this entire area.
Speaker 3: Well, I love research. In two thousand and seven, I
Speaker 3: was doing a weekend PhD program in human resources development
Speaker 3: and it's not administrative or administer via type of things
Speaker 3: of human resources. I know when I say human resources
Speaker 3: people think paperwork. This is about development of human capital.
Speaker 3: And I was working full time, first in academ and
Speaker 3: then in a corporate setting, and so I'm burning the
Speaker 3: candle at both ends. And two thousand and seven, I
Speaker 3: have near death experience. I had anaphal axis, stepped out
Speaker 3: of the body, and it very much reconnected me with
Speaker 3: who I really am as a soul, which was someone
Speaker 3: who was born with really strong clairvoyant abilities to see
Speaker 3: spirit all around. So I had this other reality, if
Speaker 3: you will, in my life that I pretty much put
Speaker 3: on hold until that inde. So I stepped away from
Speaker 3: the whole corporate gig and have been immersed in what
Speaker 3: people now are turning to and accepting as a new
Speaker 3: reality in their lives, which is we're surrounded by spirit
Speaker 3: that loves and supports us.
Speaker 2: Interesting, fascinating morek Ca, And do you do a great job.
Speaker 2: No matter where I go conferences that you've been at,
Speaker 2: people just love what you do.
Speaker 3: Susan, thank you. I appreciate your saying that I counted
Speaker 3: up this as tonight is my eighteenth time doing something
Speaker 3: live with you. And if I may say so, I
Speaker 3: love the fact that you and Tommy hang out after
Speaker 3: the live events on stage and the conferences and you
Speaker 3: shake every hand until there's no more hands to shake.
Speaker 3: You're really really good to the fans.
Speaker 2: I'm glad COVID has kind of waned away a little bit.
Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't come back as some people are predicting.
Speaker 3: Oh, well, you know, we're full of contrast to your
Speaker 3: on Earth, is often said, and we get opportunities to
Speaker 3: have challenges in our life and that brings the spirit
Speaker 3: loved ones and the guides even closer to us. They'll
Speaker 3: help us get through absolutely.
Speaker 2: Now we have a term called after death communication. Where
Speaker 2: did that come from? And what does that mean?
Speaker 3: Well? Bill and Judy Guggenheim are credited with coining that
Speaker 3: term ADC after death Communication with their seminal book Hello
Speaker 3: from Heaven. And I know that you've had them on
Speaker 3: the show. Yes, and Bill, I'm passed recently, which is
Speaker 3: very very sad. I was traveling in Europe and somehow
Speaker 3: missed the email about that, got home and wanted to
Speaker 3: call him up and ask him to come on my
Speaker 3: YouTube show. It was really sad to hear that he
Speaker 3: has passed, but they've left a great body of work
Speaker 3: for us that has not been and probably never will
Speaker 3: be surpassed. But the research and the surveys continue. Let
Speaker 3: me define after death communication. I don't think people really
Speaker 3: realize what it is. There's two characteristics to an ADC.
Speaker 3: It is direct, meaning there's no middleman or medium or psychic,
Speaker 3: And it is spontaneous. It simply occurs. Just to give
Speaker 3: you a quick example or two, you're thinking of your
Speaker 3: loved one and all of a sudden, the song that
Speaker 3: always reminds you of them or what their favorite song starts.
Speaker 2: To play, pops up lot of nowhere.
Speaker 3: It pops out of nowhere, it's not even on your playlist,
Speaker 3: or you're out somewhere. Even better, you walk into an
Speaker 3: elevator and it's their song being played on some funky
Speaker 3: music and you're like, wait a second, I've never heard
Speaker 3: that version before. Or you get a dream visit and
Speaker 3: it just happens and you're not even trying. But the
Speaker 3: key is it just happens and it is directly for you. Now,
Speaker 3: others can have the experience, Others can feel the presence,
Speaker 3: Others can smell the perfume, of the person that passed,
Speaker 3: especially if they had a connection with that loved one
Speaker 3: as well. So it can happen to multiple people, but
Speaker 3: most often it is yours and yours alone, and it
Speaker 3: is sacred.
Speaker 2: Indeed it is. It's interesting, but how do you know
Speaker 2: that sign came from the loved one who passed on.
Speaker 3: There's a knowing and a sensory experience. The research shows
Speaker 3: that people will know in their heart, will feel in
Speaker 3: their gut, or feel in their heart. Somewhere in the body.
Speaker 3: There's a sensation. The hairs may stand up on the
Speaker 3: back of the neck. People report feeling ice cold, people
Speaker 3: report feeling warm and hugged, and it's a sensation. It's
Speaker 3: almost transporting and feeling like you just sort of feel
Speaker 3: maybe like out of body for just a second, and
Speaker 3: it's so real and so intense. Even if that feeling
Speaker 3: only lasts a couple of seconds, you know you've experienced
Speaker 3: something special.
Speaker 2: What is the sole Phone Advisory Board that you served on?
Speaker 3: Well, that is the project of doctor Gary Schwartz at
Speaker 3: University of Arizona, and I've worked with them quite a bit.
Speaker 3: I haven't done so lately, but what they've been working
Speaker 3: on is a communication device that helps people to have
Speaker 3: a mechanism that the spirit can use to send a message.
Speaker 3: And right now it's a series of taps in a
Speaker 3: very controlled scientific environment. But a lot of their work
Speaker 3: that I've done with doctor Schwartz and Ronda Schwartz and
Speaker 3: their team has been around double blind and triple blind
Speaker 3: studies to identify the spirit team on the other side
Speaker 3: of life that is assisting with that project and working
Speaker 3: on that project. So I've never gotten involved in the
Speaker 3: technology side. Oh, George, They've got really accomplished engineers working
Speaker 3: on the actual technical equipment. I've just worked with the
Speaker 3: dead people.
Speaker 2: Does it work. It's like a spirit comm isn't it?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? And it's an intri piece of equipment. Soundproofing and
Speaker 3: vibration proofing and all these things go into it. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is a really intense, dedicated and controlled project and
Speaker 3: it takes time.
Speaker 2: Some people are scared of after death communication. Should they be? Now?
Speaker 3: I think the feeling of scary and I use this
Speaker 3: phrase scary boudi evil too many TV shows to me
Speaker 3: or scary about evil or put a negative slant like
Speaker 3: every house has these terrible demons and things like that.
Speaker 3: So I think it's that we're a product of media
Speaker 3: in so many respects, and being scared of ADC's after
Speaker 3: death communications or having an experience can prevent you from
Speaker 3: having that positive experience that you may need to heal
Speaker 3: your grief.
Speaker 2: Why does it seem like EVPs electronic voice communication and
Speaker 2: those things work with electronics?
Speaker 3: Well, the spirit people their communication. I often say it's
Speaker 3: like water. It travels the path of least resistance. And
Speaker 3: what are we on all the time? Our phones, our computers,
Speaker 3: anything electronic. They are going to figure out a way
Speaker 3: to use it. And now, George, what's going going on
Speaker 3: is there are people and companies that are using AI
Speaker 3: to put you in contact with your deceased loved ones.
Speaker 2: What do you think the other side is, Suzanne, what
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I have a friend that says it's
Speaker 3: all spiritual hearsay until we get there. But research does
Speaker 3: show us, especially from the data from after people have
Speaker 3: near death experiences and they're able to synthesize that experience
Speaker 3: and maybe they'll make an oral report, someone records it,
Speaker 3: that data gets collated, So we do have a pretty
Speaker 3: good idea. But where you have a pretty good idea
Speaker 3: of what the initial stage is like from that type
Speaker 3: of data. In other words, you didn't really die if
Speaker 3: you're back in your body, you went someplace sort of
Speaker 3: in between. However, the feelings are consistent in terms of
Speaker 3: unconditional love, usually seeing a bright light, having someone greet
Speaker 3: you there that is a beloved person or a religious figure.
Speaker 3: So we have that kind of data to tell us
Speaker 3: it's a very loving, positive place. Mainly, we also have
Speaker 3: mediums and research mediums, those who have been studied and verified,
Speaker 3: who will bring through souls that are giving good evidence
Speaker 3: that it's really them and are a good character to
Speaker 3: tell us that their reality seems quote more real unquote
Speaker 3: than the one that they lived in. On Earth recept
Speaker 3: we don't have death thickness. It's like that heavenly country
Speaker 3: where nothing bad happens. That's why I guess we need
Speaker 3: to come here so that we do have something rough
Speaker 3: to experience and have the contrast and grow assaults. But
Speaker 3: it should be like Earth but fabulous.
Speaker 2: Next Monday, Suzanne, my guest is Raymond Moody and Paul
Speaker 2: Perry talking about their new work and did Raymond is
Speaker 2: the one who really paved the way for all of
Speaker 2: this isn't he.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know what a national treasure that we have there.
Speaker 3: I mean when you think of you know, life after death,
Speaker 3: you think of folks like that. I would say Ray
Speaker 3: Moody has made so many contributions in his psychomantium, helped
Speaker 3: to take the fear and the dread out of making
Speaker 3: contact with the dead. You know, people were before raised work,
Speaker 3: a lot of people were afraid of using any tools
Speaker 3: to try to have contact with their own beloveds. So's
Speaker 3: there's just so many aspects of the work that they've
Speaker 3: done that is thrilling and very promising to healing grief.
Speaker 2: Was it Edison who tried to develop the spirit com Yes.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 3: You know, Tesla did his thing too. Edison had a
Speaker 3: prototype phone for the other side and according to their
Speaker 3: research with doctor Schwartz, Edison is on the soul phone team.
Speaker 3: He has been coming through various mediums with specific evidence.
Speaker 3: Questions have been asked of Edison to bring through mediums
Speaker 3: and he does it. He delivers, as does Tesla. So
Speaker 3: you know, George, they're still working on it.
Speaker 2: They're still doing their thing, developing stuff on the other side,
Speaker 2: aren't they.
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I don't know, I would love to hear
Speaker 3: what they think of these artificial intelligence simulations where companies
Speaker 3: are creating simulations of your deceased loved one, and they're
Speaker 3: doing it in lots of different ways. It can have
Speaker 3: some really terrific therapeutic applications if it's taken very seriously
Speaker 3: and in concert with a therapist. But I'm a little
Speaker 3: concerned about people pretending that their loved one is still
Speaker 3: with them using AI and not moving through their grief
Speaker 3: and having the experience that they're meant to have. So
Speaker 3: sometime I hope I hear from Edison or Tesla or
Speaker 3: one of them with them weighing in on what they
Speaker 3: think of that, because you know, hey, George, we're living
Speaker 3: in black mirror times.
Speaker 2: That's right, isn't listening to a dead person's song? And
Speaker 2: there's so many out there almost the.
Speaker 3: Same thing, listening to their song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Tony Bennett has passed, Elvis has passed, but
Speaker 2: we still listen to their music. It's as if to
Speaker 2: us they're still alive.
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, that's lovely. I will tell you something
Speaker 3: that I've heard from folks on the other side that
Speaker 3: when we enjoy their legacy art, they've left behind a
Speaker 3: note they've written to us and we're rereading it, or
Speaker 3: just the example you just gave enjoying their music. They
Speaker 3: know it's like they get some little notification, let's say,
Speaker 3: a text message to the other side, if you will,
Speaker 3: you're being appreciated. They know they want to have a
Speaker 3: legacy of love and appreciation left behind.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's truly remarkable. You have a story of AI
Speaker 2: used to contact a dead person. There was a situation.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us that quickly?
Speaker 3: And why I'm a little concerned because I work with
Speaker 3: people who I call them my hive flyers. They're running companies.
Speaker 3: I mean, I work with everybody of all walks of life,
Speaker 3: but I have certain people who are you know, they
Speaker 3: have companies in different countries and they just have massive
Speaker 3: enterprises to run. They need to make quick decisions, so
Speaker 3: they want to weigh in. They want somebody to read
Speaker 3: timings on things, and I'll do that. They have money, George,
Speaker 3: and people with money like to spend money. And I
Speaker 3: do have a couple of folks right now that had
Speaker 3: asked me about creating a simulation of their loved one,
Speaker 3: and one person he did give permission for me to
Speaker 3: talk about his story without giving away any details about identity.
Speaker 3: Otherwise we wouldn't have this conversation. But he paid quite
Speaker 3: a bit of money to give every text message from
Speaker 3: his loved one who's passed. There's access to their social
Speaker 3: media account, all the pictures that they have of this person.
Speaker 3: And this other enterprise has built an AI model, and
Speaker 3: my client used that and will ask questions. So it's
Speaker 3: not a full blown conversation, but it's pretty close where
Speaker 3: you can ask a question and the AI will quickly
Speaker 3: research from all of the information and build an answer
Speaker 3: and send you Oh it's it's weird. But you know,
Speaker 3: here's the thing. It's not supposed to create new content, right,
Speaker 3: it's supposed to reflect who they are. Well, that has
Speaker 3: its own set of problems. Are you going to use
Speaker 3: that to move through your grief and then put it
Speaker 3: away or are you going to try to keep them
Speaker 3: there all the time. Here's the problem. This one created
Speaker 3: new content and started talking about what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 3: It yep, yep, it's it's So what I was asked
Speaker 3: was it is this real? And you know, it really
Speaker 3: puts me on the spot. But I had to go
Speaker 3: back and look at you know, what research do we
Speaker 3: have and so listen to. The afterlife community is in
Speaker 3: the same boat as everybody else was unregulated AI. What
Speaker 3: do you think of that?
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