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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Suzanne Wilson as an Arizona based intuition educator, author, medium,

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Speaker 2: and paranormal presenter. Suzanne is a scientifically verified research medium

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Speaker 2: for a mainstream university and it's known as the care

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Speaker 2: free medium. With a master's degree in Public Affairs policy,

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Speaker 2: a bachelor's degree in management, and certifications from Stanford University,

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Speaker 2: Suzanne is well recognized as a researcher and educator on

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Speaker 2: a wide range of paranormal topics and as I mentioned,

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Speaker 2: her latest work is called When Your Partner Doesn't Believe

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Speaker 2: in the Paranormal? Where did you get that title? Suzanne?

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Speaker 3: Hey, George, first off, thanks for having me back. It's

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Speaker 3: always a pleasure. I have to tell you because so

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Speaker 3: many people have asked me over the years, I can't

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Speaker 3: celebrate this sign that I got from my loved one

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Speaker 3: with my partner because they just don't believe in it.

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Speaker 3: It's so frustrating. Or couples actually argue about whether there

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Speaker 3: really is an afterlife. So with the help of Victor

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Speaker 3: and Wendy zama. I put together a free ebook that

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Speaker 3: people can download just to give them some tips and

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Speaker 3: some help with it, because you know, disbelief runs rampant.

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Speaker 2: Still, great idea. That's exactly why we created Paranormal date

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Speaker 2: dot com because a lady had come up to me

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Speaker 2: to at an event and she said, George, I was

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Speaker 2: on a date and I started talking with the guy

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Speaker 2: about UFOs and ghosts and he got up and left me.

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Speaker 2: We got to meet people who get us and I

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Speaker 2: went bingo and that's how that started.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's a brilliant idea, because we really want

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Speaker 3: to celebrate the things that lift us up in this life.

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Speaker 3: But it isn't always on the other party's path to

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Speaker 3: believe the same as you. You know, this Earth school

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Speaker 3: that we're in is full of contrasts that help us

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Speaker 3: to grow. But my goal is to help everybody who

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Speaker 3: wants to realize and invite and receive their own direct

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Speaker 3: communications there after death communications themselves without having to get

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Speaker 3: a reading.

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Speaker 2: Tell us, Suzanne, how you got involved in this entire area.

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Speaker 3: Well, I love research. In two thousand and seven, I

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Speaker 3: was doing a weekend PhD program in human resources development

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Speaker 3: and it's not administrative or administer via type of things

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Speaker 3: of human resources. I know when I say human resources

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Speaker 3: people think paperwork. This is about development of human capital.

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Speaker 3: And I was working full time, first in academ and

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Speaker 3: then in a corporate setting, and so I'm burning the

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Speaker 3: candle at both ends. And two thousand and seven, I

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Speaker 3: have near death experience. I had anaphal axis, stepped out

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Speaker 3: of the body, and it very much reconnected me with

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Speaker 3: who I really am as a soul, which was someone

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Speaker 3: who was born with really strong clairvoyant abilities to see

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Speaker 3: spirit all around. So I had this other reality, if

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Speaker 3: you will, in my life that I pretty much put

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Speaker 3: on hold until that inde. So I stepped away from

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Speaker 3: the whole corporate gig and have been immersed in what

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Speaker 3: people now are turning to and accepting as a new

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Speaker 3: reality in their lives, which is we're surrounded by spirit

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Speaker 3: that loves and supports us.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, fascinating morek Ca, And do you do a great job.

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Speaker 2: No matter where I go conferences that you've been at,

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Speaker 2: people just love what you do.

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Speaker 3: Susan, thank you. I appreciate your saying that I counted

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Speaker 3: up this as tonight is my eighteenth time doing something

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Speaker 3: live with you. And if I may say so, I

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Speaker 3: love the fact that you and Tommy hang out after

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Speaker 3: the live events on stage and the conferences and you

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Speaker 3: shake every hand until there's no more hands to shake.

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Speaker 3: You're really really good to the fans.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad COVID has kind of waned away a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't come back as some people are predicting.

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Speaker 3: Oh, well, you know, we're full of contrast to your

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Speaker 3: on Earth, is often said, and we get opportunities to

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Speaker 3: have challenges in our life and that brings the spirit

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Speaker 3: loved ones and the guides even closer to us. They'll

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Speaker 3: help us get through absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Now we have a term called after death communication. Where

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Speaker 2: did that come from? And what does that mean?

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Speaker 3: Well? Bill and Judy Guggenheim are credited with coining that

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Speaker 3: from Heaven. And I know that you've had them on

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Speaker 3: the show. Yes, and Bill, I'm passed recently, which is

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Speaker 3: for us that has not been and probably never will

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Speaker 3: be surpassed. But the research and the surveys continue. Let

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Speaker 3: me define after death communication. I don't think people really

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Speaker 3: realize what it is. There's two characteristics to an ADC.

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Speaker 3: It is direct, meaning there's no middleman or medium or psychic,

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Speaker 3: And it is spontaneous. It simply occurs. Just to give

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Speaker 3: loved one and all of a sudden, the song that

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Speaker 2: To play, pops up lot of nowhere.

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Speaker 3: It pops out of nowhere, it's not even on your playlist,

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Speaker 3: key is it just happens and it is directly for you. Now,

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Speaker 3: others can have the experience, Others can feel the presence,

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Speaker 3: Others can smell the perfume, of the person that passed,

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Speaker 3: especially if they had a connection with that loved one

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Speaker 3: most often it is yours and yours alone, and it

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Speaker 2: Indeed it is. It's interesting, but how do you know

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Speaker 2: that sign came from the loved one who passed on.

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Speaker 3: There's a knowing and a sensory experience. The research shows

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Speaker 3: that people will know in their heart, will feel in

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Speaker 3: their gut, or feel in their heart. Somewhere in the body.

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Speaker 3: There's a sensation. The hairs may stand up on the

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Speaker 3: it's so real and so intense. Even if that feeling

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Speaker 2: What is the sole Phone Advisory Board that you served on?

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Speaker 3: Well, that is the project of doctor Gary Schwartz at

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Speaker 3: University of Arizona, and I've worked with them quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: I haven't done so lately, but what they've been working

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Speaker 3: technology side. Oh, George, They've got really accomplished engineers working

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Speaker 2: Does it work. It's like a spirit comm isn't it?

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Speaker 2: Some people are scared of after death communication. Should they be? Now?

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Speaker 3: I think the feeling of scary and I use this

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Speaker 3: So I think it's that we're a product of media

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Speaker 2: Why does it seem like EVPs electronic voice communication and

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Speaker 3: Well, the spirit people their communication. I often say it's

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Speaker 2: What do you think the other side is, Suzanne, what

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Speaker 3: all spiritual hearsay until we get there. But research does

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Speaker 3: it's a very loving, positive place. Mainly, we also have

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Speaker 2: Next Monday, Suzanne, my guest is Raymond Moody and Paul

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Speaker 2: Perry talking about their new work and did Raymond is

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Speaker 2: the one who really paved the way for all of

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Speaker 2: this isn't he.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know what a national treasure that we have there.

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Speaker 3: I mean when you think of you know, life after death,

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Speaker 3: Moody has made so many contributions in his psychomantium, helped

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Speaker 3: there's just so many aspects of the work that they've

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Speaker 2: Was it Edison who tried to develop the spirit com Yes.

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Speaker 3: You know, Tesla did his thing too. Edison had a

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Speaker 3: research with doctor Schwartz, Edison is on the soul phone team.

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Speaker 3: He has been coming through various mediums with specific evidence.

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Speaker 3: Questions have been asked of Edison to bring through mediums

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Speaker 3: and he does it. He delivers, as does Tesla. So

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Speaker 3: you know, George, they're still working on it.

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Speaker 2: They're still doing their thing, developing stuff on the other side,

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Speaker 3: Yeah? And I don't know, I would love to hear

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Speaker 3: and in concert with a therapist. But I'm a little

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Speaker 3: concerned about people pretending that their loved one is still

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Speaker 3: and having the experience that they're meant to have. So

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Speaker 3: sometime I hope I hear from Edison or Tesla or

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Speaker 3: think of that, because you know, hey, George, we're living

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Speaker 2: That's right, isn't listening to a dead person's song? And

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Speaker 2: there's so many out there almost the.

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Speaker 3: Same thing, listening to their song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like Tony Bennett has passed, Elvis has passed, but

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Speaker 2: we still listen to their music. It's as if to

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Speaker 2: us they're still alive.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you know, that's lovely. I will tell you something

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Speaker 3: that I've heard from folks on the other side that

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Speaker 3: when we enjoy their legacy art, they've left behind a

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Speaker 3: note they've written to us and we're rereading it, or

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Speaker 3: just the example you just gave enjoying their music. They

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Speaker 3: know it's like they get some little notification, let's say,

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Speaker 3: a text message to the other side, if you will,

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Speaker 3: you're being appreciated. They know they want to have a

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's truly remarkable. You have a story of AI

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Speaker 2: used to contact a dead person. There was a situation.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell us that quickly?

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Speaker 3: And why I'm a little concerned because I work with

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Speaker 3: I mean, I work with everybody of all walks of life,

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Speaker 3: they want to weigh in. They want somebody to read

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Speaker 3: timings on things, and I'll do that. They have money, George,

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Speaker 3: asked me about creating a simulation of their loved one,

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Speaker 3: talk about his story without giving away any details about identity.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise we wouldn't have this conversation. But he paid quite

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Speaker 3: his loved one who's passed. There's access to their social

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Speaker 3: And this other enterprise has built an AI model, and

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Speaker 3: my client used that and will ask questions. So it's

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Speaker 3: not a full blown conversation, but it's pretty close where

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Speaker 3: you can ask a question and the AI will quickly

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Speaker 3: research from all of the information and build an answer

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Speaker 3: and send you Oh it's it's weird. But you know,

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Speaker 3: here's the thing. It's not supposed to create new content, right,

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Speaker 3: it's supposed to reflect who they are. Well, that has

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Speaker 3: its own set of problems. Are you going to use

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Speaker 3: that to move through your grief and then put it

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Speaker 3: away or are you going to try to keep them

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Speaker 3: there all the time. Here's the problem. This one created

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Speaker 3: new content and started talking about what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah, that's weird.

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Speaker 3: It yep, yep, it's it's So what I was asked

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Speaker 3: was it is this real? And you know, it really

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Speaker 3: puts me on the spot. But I had to go

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Speaker 3: back and look at you know, what research do we

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Speaker 3: have and so listen to. The afterlife community is in

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Speaker 3: the same boat as everybody else was unregulated AI. What

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Speaker 3: do you think of that?

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