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Speaker 1: This is a headgun podcast. Celebrity book Club. Who's that

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Speaker 1: knocking at the door. It's all your friends, your filthy horr.

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Speaker 1: Your husband's gone, and we've got books on a bottle

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Speaker 1: of wine. Hill. It's books, it's gossip. I'm shook. It's

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Speaker 1: memoirs Martini. Celebrity Book Club. Come read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity Book Club. Tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 1: No boys are alloud. Celebrity Book Club, say it loud

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Speaker 1: and Cloud Celebrity Book Club. Buzz Man. I brought the

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Speaker 1: queer voe. Hey bess, Lieutenant Colonel, how the fuck are you, bitch?

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen you since you've forded the Allegheny. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: My life has been really up in the air, especially

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Speaker 1: because both legs were amputated. I got crazy hypothermia. Okay, no,

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Speaker 1: it's so crazy. So I had consumption and appomattox. No, no,

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Speaker 1: I literally did. And when I wrote you this letter,

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Speaker 1: and they sent the letter to Fort Knoxville, obviously you

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Speaker 1: Greater Cincinnati, which is so Now the letter is sent

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Speaker 1: and you can't pick it up because you've already on

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Speaker 1: a steamboat. No, I know, I'm literally on a steamer

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I literally know there's a letter waiting

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Speaker 1: and it's just like it's postmarked. I'm not opening that shot. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I'm so excited but also scared to

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Speaker 1: I'm in Saint Louis in five years. So it's crazy

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Speaker 1: how reading your mail is terrifying because you're just like, Okay, literally,

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Speaker 1: How do I have a new son? You know? And

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Speaker 1: with another soldier? Yeah? No, mail be crazy? Why are

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Speaker 1: we having all this old timey talk. Let me tell

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Speaker 1: you it is back to school. Bach's okay, sophomore year,

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Speaker 1: ap history, energy, get to calls, bitch that calls cash

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Speaker 1: card is burning a hall and your little satch. We're

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Speaker 1: wearing new backpacks, new Sketchers, sneakers, new jeans for the

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Speaker 1: whole family, new license Spider Man and Disney and Harry Potter,

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Speaker 1: soft soft t shirts, because this week we read the

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Speaker 1: probably most insane book we've ever read. And when I

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Speaker 1: say insane, I'm talking about length and length and length,

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Speaker 1: length and length and more length, and just the incredible

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Speaker 1: detail with which she subscribes troop movements and horse prices

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Speaker 1: and really just the heights of water in different creeks

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Speaker 1: and when something goes from a dream to a creek.

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Speaker 1: We're of course talking about the complete personal memoirs of

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Speaker 1: Ulysses S. Grant. I'm talking about volume one and two. Bitches, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this book clocked in at five hundred and fifty pages,

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Speaker 1: just to cool five fifty and of course we read

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Speaker 1: this book, Lily. Do you want to tell our audience

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Speaker 1: why we chose Grant? Yeah, so as a child, Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe not the full Grant like memoir description, or just

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Speaker 1: the fact that he's your well, Ruthford is my I know,

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Speaker 1: but he's the second thing. Yeah, he's my grant Is.

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Speaker 1: I thought, I was like, is there another secret that

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Speaker 1: just going to feel like as a child, I spent

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Speaker 1: my summer's playing racketball with my father's father, and he

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Speaker 1: had a book. He had a book. Um No, as

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Speaker 1: idolized President Ruthford B. Hayes, who is the president before

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Speaker 1: Grant or after Grant? I really should have that fact

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Speaker 1: it goes from Johnson to Grant. I think, okay, who knows?

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Speaker 1: Dare I say it? He's a horse girl? Literally? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: No full horse girl, and okay, I was saying. I

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Speaker 1: And so the guy's like, Okay, yeah, pay me twenty five, sucker.

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Speaker 1: though it's the kicker ending. Okay, do you remember, Oh yeah,

423
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: it's okay. One abusing circumstance occurred while we were lying

424
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: at anchor in Panama Bay. In the regiment, there was

425
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Slaughter who was very liable to see sickness. It

426
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: almost made him sick to see the wave of a

427
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: tablecloth when the servants were spreading it. It's like that line.

428
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: It's just like, okay, hilarious, dragging him for being a

429
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: seasick bit being seasick from table cloths. Soon after his graduation,

430
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: Slaughter was ordered to California and took passage by a

431
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: sailing vessel going around Cape Horn. The vessel was seven

432
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: months making the voyage, and Slaughter was sick every moment

433
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: of the time, never more so than while lying at anchor.

434
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: After reaching his place of destination, on landing in California,

435
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: he found orders which had come by Isthmus notifying him

436
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: of a mistake in his assignment. He should have been

437
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: ordered to the Northern Lakes. He started back by Isthmus

438
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: Rout and was sick all the way, but when he

439
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: arrived at the East he was again ordered to California. Midstory,

440
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, at this point, flee the army and this

441
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: and this is great, just being like, isn't this hilarious?

442
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: This asshole seasick the whole time, and he's just having

443
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: to write a boat for nine months in each direction,

444
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: just as someone who also gets seasick by having a

445
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: wave of a table girl. Literally, I would just be like, um,

446
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm gonna just beld a cabin, and they're like, okay,

447
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: continue this story. He was as sick as ever and

448
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: had been so for more than a month. While lying

449
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: at anchor in the bay, I remember him well seated

450
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: with his elbows on the table in front of him,

451
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: his chin between his hands, and looking the picture of despair.

452
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: At last he broke out, I wish I had taken

453
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: my father's advice. He wanted me to go into the navy.

454
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: If I had done so, so I should not have

455
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: had to go to sea so much. Poor Slaughter. It

456
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: was his last sea voyage. He was killed by Indians

457
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: in Oregon and then just moving on. But it's like

458
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: he's like, back, the most amusing circumstance happened, just like

459
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: I watched this guy gets seasick for three years, literally

460
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: three years, and goes on him with his last voyage.

461
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: He was killed by Indians the next fortnight in Oregon.

462
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: Moving on, moving on, He's like, and then another thousand

463
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: people died from cholera that August. But he's like, wait,

464
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: hold on, I've actually have this hilarious story I need

465
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: to put. I mean, he's like, look, I have five

466
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: hundred pages here I need to like about this bitch

467
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: Slaughter Okay, who was a vomiting constantly. No, I was

468
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: right if I had, I mean to get a letter, yeah,

469
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: after you've been nine months at seavoyage being like no,

470
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: go back, and then another letter. The whole time period

471
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: thing is very much just like everyone's waiting forever for everything.

472
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: I do feel like there is this I'm gonna say

473
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: it gayness about him. Yeah, that's so gay. This is

474
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: evil gay story. That's an evil gay story. Say that,

475
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: But beat do you remember when he's telling the story

476
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: about how he was like gonna get sent to like

477
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: Corpus Christie on his very first kind of like assignment

478
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: in the Army, and he had like heard word via

479
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: another letter that his like regiment in Saint Louis was

480
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: like getting sent out and he was on leave for

481
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: like thirty days, and he was like, I knew that

482
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: if I like actually went to meet up with them,

483
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: then I like wouldn't get to go home, and I

484
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: would also like get there like after we leave ended.

485
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: So he was like, so I went to Saint Louis

486
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: and like reported for the end of my leave and

487
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: then knew that I was going to get the assignment

488
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: and then immediately asked for like preassignment leave to go

489
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: home and see Julia Dent again. Why is this guy?

490
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: It's gay because he's kind of gaming the system and

491
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: just like getting more time off. Yeah, he's being so

492
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: just like I kind of just like I knew that

493
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be in Corpus Christie, but I

494
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: kind of like gamed it so that I could just

495
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,239
Speaker 1: like get another week off to like go home and

496
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: like ride my horse and like see this girl that

497
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to go on a walk I guess I'm

498
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: more seeing is that that's also kind of bro because

499
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: he's also just been like, no, dude, like I sent

500
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: this letter and like I actually went to Saint Louis,

501
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: but I feel like I worked at this skate shop.

502
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: And then but it's also so gay, like filing for

503
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: unemployment benefits like while you're on vacation. Okay, well this

504
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: is this is another point for the gay part. When

505
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 1: he first becomes like graduates West Point, he finally like

506
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: gets to have an army uniform insane. So basically he's like, okay,

507
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: well I went to a tailor and he's like told

508
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: the tailor, he's when I get my orders, I will

509
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: tell you like what uniform to like make for me.

510
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: So he finally gets it. He's so excited he cannot

511
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: wait to be like rocking this uniform on his horse

512
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: looking so hot. He finally gets the uniform and then

513
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: just like a bedraggled like full street urchin who's in

514
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: like crazy pants and like a ripped shirt. Then like

515
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: comes up to him and he's like, look, I'm dressed

516
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: like you in your uniform, and like Grant is like

517
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: clop clop clop in his new uniform and hiss like

518
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: again that haunts him for the rest and then like

519
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,959
Speaker 1: later he comes back to the town and like the

520
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: inn keep the tavernist who was just like a notorious

521
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: jokesman of good humor, like made this like crazy potato

522
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: sack pant costume with just like linen sack. Because the

523
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: other circumstances occurred at home opposite our house in Bethel

524
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 1: student the old stage tavern, where quote unquote man and

525
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: beast found accommodation. The stable man was rather dissappeared. That

526
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: mean that like men fucked horses there. I'm just like

527
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: what I think. It's like you're a man and you

528
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: store your horse and you drink and you stay there

529
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: right right, right right, Yeah, it's I mean right classic.

530
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: But maybe there's like a brothel element to it. I'm

531
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,239
Speaker 1: sure there is, yeah, brothel and Bethel. Right, it's kind

532
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: of like four men and beast and I think like

533
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: the ladies of the Creeks, right, probably like going serve

534
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: up there. On my return I found I can't spell

535
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: brothel about Bethel. Damn. I got fucked in Bethel good,

536
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: popped off my steed and popped on another. I really

537
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: I didn't need to read this passage. But I was

538
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: being for like more random old timey prostitute s. I

539
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: guess lack of men. I mean when he says he

540
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: was just like, and this woman to whom I have

541
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: mentioned before was now my wife. Like literally, it just

542
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: happens like one time. Sixty pages later he's just like,

543
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: and she is my wife now. And then later he's

544
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: just like, and our family did now consist of a son,

545
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 1: And it's just like, he's like, and I had not

546
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: met my son yet, and it was like exactly things

547
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: insisted of a son. When you're reading a book and

548
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: you're like, oh shit, the romance is about to happen.

549
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: But I realized the roads was about to happen because

550
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: he just had not mentioned, obviously any women that he

551
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: wasn't related to, and he was like, and then all

552
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's like, there was a daughter of fifteen,

553
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: there was a daughter of my age, and there was

554
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: a daughter of seven, and two of them are tracked

555
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: to die of consumption, and many a folk thought that

556
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: I would be the third to die of consumption, for

557
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: I was very sick for a period of eleven months.

558
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: He's always having like I feel like it's whipping cough,

559
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: but like even crazier. And He's like, and I had

560
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: a horrible cough for nine years, but I was still

561
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: able to plow potatoes in the freezing freeze in Saint

562
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: Louis winters. On my return, I found him parading the

563
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: streets and attending in the stable, barefooted, but in a

564
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: pair of sky blue nankeen pantaloons, just the color of

565
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: my uniform trousers, with a strip of white cotton sheeting

566
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: so down the outside seems in imitation of mine. The

567
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: joke was a huge one in the mind of many

568
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: of the people, and was much enjoyed by them, but

569
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: I did not appreciate it so highly. During the remainder

570
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: of my leave of absence, my time was spent visiting

571
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: friends in Georgetown, in Cincinnati, and occasionally other towns in

572
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: that part of the state. He's like, well, I can't

573
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: finish this chapter on me being absolutely masked by an urchin,

574
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: by this inn keep who's wearing this just like big

575
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:04,239
Speaker 1: flowing like pant like homemade vikara, like making fun of

576
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: me and my officers uniform. So I actually I'm just

577
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: gonna go visit some other towns in the surrounding areas. Wait,

578
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: I literally am grant because I was Ruthford be Haze

579
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: for Halloween. I think when I was saying, well, no,

580
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: I think like so spoiled gold digger stuff. Um my

581
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: parents like did have it made by like a tailor,

582
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: because like there weren't really like union generals spoiled. There

583
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: weren't Union soldier gostumes for sale. It's rarely do you

584
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: want to be a modern day Celtor? And I was like,

585
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: you're like, hell no, but well I'm sure at like

586
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: Halloween World of Reverne, New York, they have those. Yeah,

587
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: I bet now they do. Yeah. It was like some

588
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: fabric store. I feel like I got the hat and

589
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: we got these like blue pants, and I think like

590
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: got some sort of jacket and then like some woman

591
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: who was like a tailor by us put like apple

592
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: that's and maybe some gold tailor stuff on it. And

593
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: then of course I was mocked by my entire second

594
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: great class. Okay, other evidence that he's gay is his

595
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: love of travel, and when he's first going to West

596
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: Point and he's just been like and I was so

597
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: excited to get to Philadelphia. And I did spend three

598
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: days in the city, and I was able to quite

599
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: experience the city and attend the theater. And I'm like,

600
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: when you say you experience the city, like, how much

601
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: of a like gay in Lisbon for three nights? Is it?

602
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: Where you are like meeting a woman at a tavern

603
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: and then you're taking her on a walk for tea

604
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: the next day? Well, and I get he was likened

605
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: to the horse museum in war and that's why he

606
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: didn't see his wife from eighteen sixty to eighteen sixty four.

607
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: But he sees her parents, which is also gay. He's like,

608
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: but I did visit her parents to ask her for marriage,

609
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: and then I feel like he just like writes to

610
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: her and then maybe they see each other once and

611
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: it's like you seem fine being all your infantryman and

612
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: not on all your horses. The other thing that I find,

613
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: do you think that he fucked in Philadelphia or New

614
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: York when he really experienced the city on his like

615
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: long like canal steamer railroad trip to West Point from Ohio.

616
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: Feel like he got like one cholera blowjob. If she's

617
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: not cofee on your deck, it's not a blowjob. I'm sorry,

618
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: it's not Vanilla, asked pantilvan wearing lady. I don't know,

619
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: do you think, but he also seems so like I

620
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: just think that he literally was a virgin until he

621
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: like had sex with Julia Dent once in her parents

622
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: barn and that's when Frederick was conceived, and then he

623
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: had sex with her a second time, like three and

624
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: a half years later. Well, he'll probably had a few

625
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: times to even have sex. He's seeing her like once

626
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: every four years. I guess you're right when stationed, do

627
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: you think, like, I mean, okay, obviously there has to

628
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: be like there's been no time in history when just

629
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: like horny military men weren't like fucking women and just

630
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: like raping locals. And I'm just kind of like, yeah,

631
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: it kind of has to be happening. Yeah, I mean,

632
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: he's so and it's his memoir, so he's not going

633
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: to write about it. He mentions being at a public

634
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: house once and it's like, I know, your drink that

635
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: means a bath a pub at Haven. Yet that public

636
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: house a hub. Oh the way, You're blowing my fucking

637
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: mind right now. A pub is like comes from a

638
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: public Yeah, the public, the public show the fuck up. Sorry,

639
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: I'm a freaking historian. Care five front paid us later.

640
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: Wow d to the boots over here. Okay, well you

641
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: blew my mind right well the pub yes, of course,

642
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: of course it is square. I'm thinking of all these

643
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: like Westerns, and it's like the John Waynes and the

644
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: Rio Bravos and Rio Grande is like when he's like

645
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: in the Mexican American War, like you don't think something

646
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: going down. I mean it seemed most American American War.

647
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: He was like with a mule and just like forging

648
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: a river. And then okay, this is actually what I find.

649
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: This is a little bit straight. I don't know, this

650
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 1: could go both ways. After the Mexican American War, they've

651
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: like won, but him and his like buddies going this

652
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: like crazy mountain hike that sounds like so crazy and scary. Yeah,

653
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: and it's like they're all they all like get poison

654
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: in their eyes. It's raining hard, they're sleeping inner river

655
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: mules are dying around them, and they're like the next

656
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: day they're like, no, no, let's try this again. Yeah No.

657
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: They're being just like really fearless, like Denver Bros. Where

658
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: like when you see someone on that type of camping

659
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: trip and you're like, are any of you having fun?

660
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: And he admits it and he's like, I think we realized,

661
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: like we had enough mountain climbing for the day. The

662
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: other thing I wanted to bring up in his Mexico City.

663
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, his Mexico City Tripican American Wars Mexico City

664
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: trip we did. He go to Mexico City to like

665
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: he goes hee bullfighting and he's like, it was so

666
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: for about this traumatic right, because he's so sensitive. I

667
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: mean again, he's very he's anti dueling. I don't know

668
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: if you remember that scene where he's just like, I'm sorry,

669
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: but I just don't believe in duels. And he's just like,

670
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: if I ever got in an argument with a man

671
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: that was worthy of a duel, I would certainly say

672
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: that I respect him far too much to take it

673
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: to the place of violence. And he's just like, and

674
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: if I ever did feel that I hated a man

675
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: so much that I wanted to kill him, I would

676
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: simply kill him, not to do it like at dawn

677
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: with pistols and choose the time and place of the killing, right,

678
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: Like I don't think like with the bullfight and dueling

679
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: like he doesn't like some drawn out like he thinks

680
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: it's barbaric, and he thinks it's like you should exhaustle

681
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: other options. But he's a huge animal over. I mean, yeah,

682
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: the horses as we know, although I don't want to

683
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: hear a lot about like dogs or cats here. I

684
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: mean no, he's not like and then I got back,

685
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: like after four years night curled up with like poodles.

686
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure there're farm dogs around, but it's a little

687
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: more innanna never I mean, did Lincoln have a dog?

688
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: Are they pet people? I don't think. Lincoln seems so

689
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: no pets. He seems so no pets. He's like too

690
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: like shaky and like weird to have a pet, and

691
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: like and crazy over any other round and he's like

692
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: did you take like skins? Gay? Well okay wait is

693
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: oh thank you producer Meg. What pets did Lincoln have?

694
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: Well that sounds a little more farm and I mean

695
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: that's but that's the kids though, But that's also eccentric

696
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: parents that are both gay. Yes, yes, that is exactly

697
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: what that is. So Lincoln and Mary Todd being eccentric

698
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: gay who are just like, yes, we let our kids

699
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: have like turtles weird yangs, and they take care of them,

700
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: and that's their things, and no one will notice that,

701
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: like we're gay. This was what was also so gay

702
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: about Lincoln is when that time he meets Lincoln. I'm

703
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: just going to pull up the passage right here, right here,

704
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: I might relate an anecdote of miss Lincoln. It was

705
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: on the occasion of his visit to me after he

706
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: had talked with the Peace Commissioners at Hampton Rhodes. After

707
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: a little conversation, he asked me if I had seen

708
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: that overcoat of Stevens's I've applied that I had, Well

709
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: said he did you see him take it off? I

710
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: said yes, Well said he didn't. You think it was

711
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: the biggest shock and the littlest ear that you ever

712
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: did see. Long afterwards, I told this story at the

713
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: Confederate General J. B. Gordon at the time I remember

714
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: of the Senate came repeated at Stevens, and as I

715
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: heard afterwards, Stevens laughed immoderately at the simile of mister Lincoln. HM.

716
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: So Lincoln makes this like ear metaphor for talking about

717
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: how the guys like coded or this this corn metaphor

718
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: being like oh, he was like having the largest husk

719
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: in the smallst year, just being like this guy was

720
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: like so small in his coat, which is also very

721
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: the other like the pantaloon like drag of Grant. But

722
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, but here's the thing. I do think

723
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: it's very gay of Lincoln to make this one joke

724
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: about a guy's outfit. Yes, and like that's the one

725
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: thing he says, and he says it in kind of

726
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: a gossipy like conspiratorial way. It pulls Grant aside. He's like,

727
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: well that and that makes Grant gay because I'm like,

728
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 1: if Lincoln's pulling Grant aside to be liked, and they're

729
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: like about to sign a treaty and like meanwhile, like Roberty,

730
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: Lee is like waiting being like so am I succeeding

731
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: or so I didn't know that. Actually Lee was very charismatic,

732
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: and I guess like Grant was more awkward historically. I mean,

733
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: first of all, this book we are talking about the

734
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: most interesting parts, the vast majority of about streams. This

735
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: book is just incredibly long descriptions of streams, forces and

736
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: battles and how long it took to get to a

737
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: stream and how long, how many men forwarded the stream,

738
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 1: and how many other men were on the other side

739
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: of the stream. Here's my question about war back on

740
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: the day as in the Civil War. Yeah, it really

741
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: seems like it's mostly hiking. It's just walking to places

742
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: and then like getting in this weird position to have

743
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: a battle and you can like see where the other

744
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: army is and everyone's just like Ridge. And I guess

745
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: this is why he was so good at it, because

746
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: he's being so like again pinking in the right, That's

747
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: what I'm saying in strategy and math about it. And

748
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: I feel like he is like I'm just being like

749
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: holing out this big map and being like this the

750
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: Creek or Crawnee river flows here, and that will go

751
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: into this basin. And because when he won the Chattanooga Battle,

752
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: which was super decisive, and then afterward Lincoln promoted him

753
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: to like lieutenant general of the whole army or something,

754
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, he was being so Ridge

755
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: and Creek and like I'm surprising them and like getting

756
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: them to think that I'm going to come here by

757
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: like slowly over the course of like sixteen hours, moving

758
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: my like seven thousand person army where they think that

759
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: my thirteen thousand men army is, but actually the thirteen

760
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: thousand men army is like on the other side of

761
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 1: a different ridge because they sported the creek because they

762
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: knew that it would be lower at the dawn. I

763
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: feel like good. I was like being like, okay, I

764
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: need to speed up here, but I was like, well,

765
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to miss out on like this Vicksburg

766
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: like victory of you. And then you like go one

767
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: hundred pages and you're like okay, so we're still out

768
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: like a different creek here. And I think the insane

769
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: thing though about this war is it's like it's still

770
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: so formal yes' because didn't is that the Revolutionary War

771
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: or Civil War wh people went to watch? Um? I

772
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: think it. I've heard that story about the Civil War

773
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: because I think that there were some battles in the

774
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: beginning where it was like people were just very like, oh,

775
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: the battles happening over there, like in Virginia, and like

776
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: people from the North. I want to say, We're just

777
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: like okay, not them, like we'll watch And I feel

778
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: like I've seen photos like paintings, photos or whatever, and

779
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: it's like a woman was turned into photos your favorite medium, okay,

780
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: and it's like a woman with a big basket, right,

781
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: and like they're setting out jam and watching the war.

782
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: And then I think they realized like all their men

783
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: were dying and dying of cholera, and they were like,

784
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: oh wait, this is serious, serious, maybe we should stop.

785
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: The civil war just seems like it's completely formal. Everyone's

786
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: sending letters to the opposite generals be like let's meet here,

787
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: and then they're marching up like and I remember thinking

788
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: this as it could too when I was like, so,

789
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: y'all are just sending letters to each other being like

790
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: meet you here, General Lee. And then it's like troops

791
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: of men marching and they're marching and marching, and then

792
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: it's like ready set go and they ready set and

793
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: then they just like savagely like fire cannons at each

794
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: other and like stab each other in the eyes of bayonets,

795
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: and like, because I feel like they are still just

796
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: being like we actually do need to get to bed.

797
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: They actually have to wrap at eight. They're like I

798
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: have a heart out at eight. I have a heart

799
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: out for this bottle at eight, and I have to

800
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: write a letter like by quill at nine, so like

801
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: we get this moving and then it's so movie where

802
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: it's like then once like so much smoke and everyone's

803
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: limping and like tending, and it'll be like, oh, brother, brother,

804
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: take me down, and then everyone's like, okay, let's go

805
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: like set up camp. The other insane thing is that,

806
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: and this is really I think unique to the Civil

807
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: Wall is that these generals on both sides all knew

808
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: each other from the max an American more and he's

809
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: like and from West Point. He was like, this guy

810
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: was my classmate and he's having this talk with It

811
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: was like General was it wasn't Jackson, was it Buckner? Okay,

812
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: because there was this this thing where him and Buckner

813
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: were sending letters to each other about some fort, and

814
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: like it's this bitchiest correspondence that's being sent by horseback

815
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: in the middle of this insane, like four day long battle.

816
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: I will say that I feel like mail sped up.

817
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: Towards the end of the book, it was being like

818
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: he was like because because the Buckets like got that

819
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: letter seven months ago, and then this one. He's like,

820
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: I sent a telegraph and then I sent a letter

821
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: to General Jackson, and then Jackson sent a telegraph to me,

822
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: and we did decide to meet at Fort luxxaturb de

823
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: luxe term for stuff and like easier to reach in

824
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: terms of communications. But the end now and you're seeing

825
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: that evolution of technology. It's just awesome to see. Wait,

826
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 1: can I just read this quick passage of letters please? Okay?

827
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: So this is Buckner being like, I don't want to surrender,

828
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: composed the Apotment Commissions degreep on terms of calculation of

829
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: the forces and folder into my command and in view

830
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: suggested arm assist UNTI twelve o'clock today. And then Grant

831
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: goes yours of the state, proposing armasis and Appartment of

832
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: Commissioners to settle terms of calculation. It's just received no terms.

833
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: Accept an unconditional an immediate surrender can be accepted. I

834
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: propose to move immediately upon your works. And then he responds,

835
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: the distribution of forces into my command incident to an

836
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: unexpected change of commander's the overwhelming force in New York

837
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: Command compel me, notwithstanding the brilliant success of Confederate arms yesterday,

838
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: to accept the ungenerous and unchivalrous terms which you propose. Fritz,

839
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: It's like these two generals are sending these letters being like,

840
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 1: even though we did like an actually amazing job yesterday,

841
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: I will accept your insanely rude terms because like you're

842
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: a bitch. And then he'll be like, you better be

843
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: waiving that white flag when we meet at this river

844
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: later with all of my ten thousand men who are

845
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: all about to die of consumption if they don't die tomorrow.

846
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: But you may bury you're dead, and I will let

847
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: you hang out with my men like while you bury

848
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: your dead, but then I'm taking you as prisoners of war.

849
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: Also so many soldiers. He talks about how like after

850
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: battle they were just like roasting each other and being

851
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: so like what up, Yanks, And it's so like good game,

852
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: good game, good game, good game, like a soccer match.

853
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: I also feel like it's so history or repeating itself

854
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: and just like I'm sure another like actual serious podcasts

855
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: are always talking about this, but Grant is like, so, yeah,

856
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: the majority of people who want to seed were actually

857
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: like not slave owners, Like most of them were just

858
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: like poor and like southern and like lived in one

859
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: house and like and they're so Trump and they're just

860
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: so Trump and being like you're not taking my rebel

861
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: fig Away, but like actually don't even own it is

862
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: now turning into such an episode of you're wrong about

863
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: this podcast that like, like straight people are always telling me, like,

864
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: so you think this podcast you're wrong about I think

865
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: you'd be. No straight person has actually ever recommended that

866
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: to me. Um. Yeah, but anyway, it's still just like

867
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: quan on people just like being like um. And it's

868
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: funny because trying to succeed. Then those were the yes. No.

869
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: I was wick impeded because I was like, yeah, it

870
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: was like and I would have voted WIG had the

871
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: party not disbanded it in eighteen fifty two. Damn. It's

872
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: like when there's no more wigs. He's also anti gloating,

873
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: which I think goes back to all of his like

874
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: sensitive issues because when he actually wins the war and

875
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: he actually does the like he signed the treaty with lee,

876
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: and then he's like and right after that, like when

877
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: the soldiers received word, they started firing their guns in

878
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: the air one guns salute. And when I heard this,

879
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: I immediately ordered them to stop, because we did not

880
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: the Southern soldiers were already demoralized enough and they did

881
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: not need to have the victory like shoved in their face.

882
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: And I think Lee probably would have been very pro

883
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: twenty one gun salute and it would have been like

884
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: a little more Dixie the South always. Yeah, I'm sure

885
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: sure that he and Grant is like being so northern

886
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: and just like Madow and just being like, oh wait.

887
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: One other thing that is actually him being gay is

888
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: he's always the quartermaster, which is the like treasure is

889
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: like doing the like money. He's the one being people

890
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: are also so many that straight people are so many.

891
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: But I guess I feel like it is a gay

892
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: thing to in the like army, in your little army crew,

893
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: to be the one who's like with the pouch with

894
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: the power. Well, this is what I don't. I disagree

895
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: with you. I don't think that's gay. But what is

896
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: gay is when he has a bread pop up. When

897
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: he has a bread pop up at some point, I

898
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: honestly forget if it's the Mexican American War or the

899
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,959
Speaker 1: Civil War, and he realizes, well, the soldiers all needed bread,

900
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: so I rented a this is in Mexico. He goes,

901
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: I rented out a bakery. I hired bakers, and we

902
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: literally He's like, I made more money selling bread than

903
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: I did, like the whole time I was there for

904
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: I would say, I mean that's also just literally a

905
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: straight couple from San Diego. Okay, so this it's like

906
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: he's finance, he's straight. He was like this kind of

907
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: like he is this like I don't know, isn't he

908
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: a girl dad in the same way? Well, yes, no,

909
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: he's such he's like getting bearded girl dad. Yeah, and

910
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: he's so Portland and he's at the public house and

911
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: he's definitely taking his kids in the stroller to the brewery.

912
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: Oh one, h his two kids that he never sees. Yeah,

913
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean he's also kind of a girl boss, girl

914
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: dad and girl he's a girl dad and a girl

915
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: boss because remember when he sends the like letter being

916
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: like I actually think that I would be good to

917
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: be like a lieutenant colonel in the army and he

918
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: and then he like goes to Philadelphia being like I

919
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: knew McClellan would be there, and I did want to

920
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: run into him and see him his office and be

921
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: so like Barbara corkran just like yeah, I'm walking into

922
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: the office to say actually, I'm sorry, but here's why

923
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: you need to hire me. But then he was like mclellanick,

924
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: wasn't there, especially if you're on horseback again and you're like,

925
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm going to take this three day

926
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: trip while i will stay with my wife's cousin along

927
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: the way in this town in Pennsylvania and then stop

928
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: at a public house for man and beast and then

929
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: get there and like try to convince someone anyway, it's

930
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: just all insane that they even like met up in

931
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: war like and like things even worked out and it

932
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: wasn't so like Carrie no one showing up for her dinner. Yeah,

933
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: it's like why would you show up? And then also

934
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: it's just like so then when do you decide that

935
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: you're randomly gonna like go off script and be like, actually,

936
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm just going to kind of like go around to

937
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: the side and just like shoot random people from a

938
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: tree as opposed to just being like I'll meet you

939
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. It's just where it's like,

940
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: why weren't they doing that and then a whole time

941
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: do that the whole time because it would have been ungentlemanly. Right.

942
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: It's like it's like on West Point and they're like

943
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: we learned from like the French soldiers in the English

944
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: arm and like that's how we learned how to fight,

945
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: and we will just simply walk toward each other. Okay,

946
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: I's on men, like like, I was very surprised when

947
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: in the Mexican American War how bad bullets were. When

948
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: he would just be like and that regiment was just

949
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: like a good two hundred paces away and their bullets

950
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: simply couldn't reach us, and people are just like firing

951
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: a musket and it's just kind of like not really

952
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: getting there, and like only the cannons were really like

953
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: having some distance. So you're saying, like guns were, Like

954
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of surprised at how bad guns were.

955
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: But look at how many people died. When he goes

956
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: to this list and he's like eighteen hundred men died

957
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: that week. I mean, the death is insane. I mean,

958
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, the Civil War has the largest number of

959
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: deaths of any war, I'm including World War two, like

960
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: earliest of Americans. It's like a crazy amount of death

961
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: for the fact that it was only That's why I

962
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 1: think it's crazy that it was only like bad like muskets.

963
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: There was probably a lot of the deaths were like

964
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: injuries that were infected and everyone was like getting amputated

965
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: and then getting cholera from the amputation, right, because it's

966
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: like even if you got an eye infection and you're coughing,

967
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: I feel like you're dying in two days anyway. The amount,

968
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean the guy that just drops dead at one

969
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: point where he was like and he was a wonderful

970
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: general and we were finished in the exercise at the

971
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: fort at Corpus Christie and he turned around to go

972
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: back to its quarters and dropped dead. And it's like,

973
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: no wonder because later the book he's like, yeah, we

974
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: have draft posters up and no one's trying to join,

975
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: like they really we were having trouble getting new folks. Yeah,

976
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: because people were kind of like we're over it. Well,

977
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: there was at that part at like one battle that

978
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: where it ends, and he was like a lot of

979
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: the like Confederate soldiers who they had like captured or whatever,

980
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: were coming up to him and being like, do you

981
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: mind if I literally just bounce like im and I

982
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: swear to God like I'm not going back into the army,

983
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: Like I'm so over this, Like I'm literally just gonna

984
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: like walk off into a field somewhere and like do

985
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: my own thing, but like literally over the war. I'm done.

986
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: I would do that in a second. And Grant was like,

987
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: and I said, absolutely a toddle off, right, because I

988
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: feel like Grant like knew, like this life ain't for

989
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 1: the easy here, No, it's not for the faint of heart, darling,

990
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 1: slashing and slashing, getting your steps in. Oh wait, sorry, okay,

991
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: one more thing, yeah, and then I want to talk

992
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: about this potato anyway, go on, get into so I

993
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: have a little bit of historic tea that I heard. Oh,

994
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm the husband of a friend, the husband of a friend,

995
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: the husband of a good friend I met at West Point,

996
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: which was that Mark Twain ghost wrote this Get the

997
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: frick out of Town. Yeah, And that's why it was

998
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: like such a hit, because you know how in the

999
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: beginning he's talking in the preface, yes, and he's just like,

1000
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: I am quite sick and I need the money so

1001
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: I shall write these memoirs. But I am utmost gratitude

1002
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: towards my son Henry and my other son for helping

1003
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: me write this. And I'm like, okay, so he's kind

1004
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: of seeing the suns were like maybe doing a lot

1005
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: of like dictation boots. But then I'm like, is the

1006
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: Sun Mark Twain because I was imagining definitely like him

1007
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: lying down wooden bed classic kind of the ice pack

1008
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: on his head is like he's like slowly and then

1009
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: his son is with a quill, right, But maybe because

1010
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, Mark Twain is so like that. Did

1011
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: he pay him with the advance or do you think

1012
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: Mark Twain volume two? Was he like, look like I

1013
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: thought volume one was way better than Volume two. I

1014
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: thought could have used a little more reflection, Like I

1015
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,959
Speaker 1: felt like Volume one he like reflected I like why

1016
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 1: the Civil War happened, why the Mexican American War happened,

1017
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: and yeah, and he was like, you know, saying his

1018
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: opinions and being just like this was how people were

1019
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: talking about it at the time. So maybe it was

1020
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: this he got the advance, and maybe Mark Twain was like, look, Ulysses,

1021
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm a fan. I'll do this and you can pay

1022
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: me later. And then it's such a hit, and then

1023
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: the Sun's helped him write volume two and he's like, okay,

1024
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: let's get the stream. And by that maybe marquem was

1025
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: just a girl. I can't do that. Yeah, I can't

1026
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: know my was cool. I can't deal with your nonsense anymore.

1027
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear another fucking description of a river.

1028
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm over it. My hand just hurt it, and my

1029
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: hand kills like your son's. Can help you write the

1030
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: rest of this. I got a bounce. Where did your

1031
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: friends spend here? You know? I really don't know the

1032
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: battle of segment Burg. What does she eat? How does

1033
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: she live? Okay, what does she? I mean rations rations

1034
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 1: and forage bitch, but I feel like Mutton for sure.

1035
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: Turkey that whole thing about turkeys in Texas when he

1036
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: was just like every night there were so many turkeys

1037
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,959
Speaker 1: and then like, wait there doesn't think he won't. He's

1038
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 1: out hunching and his friend is like, shoot the turkey.

1039
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: There's a million. He's like, and I pointed in my

1040
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: musket and I couldn't pull the trigger literally if I

1041
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: got that. Yeah, but also like sensitive strike hashtag girl dad. Yeah,

1042
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm not gonna hunt. And he's like going

1043
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: out with his brother in law and he's like, I'm sorry,

1044
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: and he was like and then he would like spook

1045
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: the turkeys and the fly away, but like everyone else

1046
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: is coming back with just like a thousand turkeys for

1047
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: the whole regiment. Like everyone's facing the turkeys and the

1048
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: potatoes when they get them, when there's when there's not

1049
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: like a river that like ruined the potatoes. Let's just

1050
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: say this, I don't think he's a foodie, even though

1051
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: in some sense is like even though, okay, he's like

1052
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: saying he loves travel, and he's just like he was like, yeah,

1053
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: and I was actually excited that the Erie Canal steamer

1054
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: was like taking longer than usual and stopped at Slotsburgh

1055
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: for two days so I could really soak up the town.

1056
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: Like he seems like he is, so forty eight hours

1057
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: in Slotsburg, like ny whatever. Guide, But I don't think

1058
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: that food is really on his agenda. He's more like

1059
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: architecture sites, like horses, like what are the horses in

1060
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: the town? Okay, But then, which is fully not mentioned

1061
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: in this book, is like his insane alcoholism. I'm just

1062
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: gonna read this. Grant's taste for strong drink first became

1063
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: problematic in the early eighteen fifties, when he was reportedly

1064
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: forced to resign for the Army for being caught drunk

1065
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: on duty. He's swore off alcohol for most of the

1066
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: next decade, only to fall off the wagon during the

1067
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: Civil War. So he was like wasted writing these letters

1068
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: like commanding tactic boots battles. Um, like I think our

1069
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: boy loved him some whiskey whiskey. Then that makes me

1070
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: think that maybe he which is also so girl dad

1071
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: because it's like, oh awesome, dude, Yeah, no, I got

1072
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: a Japanese whiskey. Um, I've been dying to bring this

1073
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: bring out. It just arrived her by steam mart. It

1074
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: actually took about seven months for this suntry to roll

1075
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: through and get over to the barracks. But damn we're

1076
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: gonna have some fun tonight. And he's waiting like seven

1077
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: months to like try this with like another like general

1078
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: that's coming. That's like, is the badass turkey hunting kind

1079
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: of like a whiskey foodist. Then it's just like is

1080
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: he liking a rare nut or just like being like oh,

1081
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: yes we have yeah, or like or like just like,

1082
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: oh we have imported pineapple. It's incredibly hard to get

1083
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: in these parts, but like I know a guy, Okay.

1084
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: It also says that he mostly liked to get wasted alone.

1085
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: That says not food either mean yeah, I don't think

1086
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: it's food. I think it is like anyway, Yeah, he's turkey,

1087
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: not a big food. Yeah, turkey drinking alone. Okay, what

1088
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: does he wear? Clothes that are ridiculously too large for

1089
00:59:53,760 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 1: him and untaled, embarrassingly untalented uniforms he's wearing you in

1090
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: a form seems like he's in war for most of

1091
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: his life. What's random at this book is that it

1092
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: just literally stopped the end of the war, and like,

1093
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: does it even get to his presidency? And I'm kind

1094
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: of like, isn't wouldn't you write say about being a

1095
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: present president? That's kind of like a big deal, Like

1096
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: and you just the entire book As Battles snaps thank

1097
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: you for saying that. I'm like, well, that's all to

1098
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: him being so humble and like quiet, alcoholic is You're

1099
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: like yeah, no, it's like and you're like, that's what

1100
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: the r glorious and like, you know, president was just

1101
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: me being a servant, a public servant and other people

1102
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: I did what I thought was because there's a point

1103
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: at which he kind of relates his theory on governance

1104
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: and he's like, I do believe that a president should

1105
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: reflect the whims and suppositions of the populace and just

1106
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: being like I did what I was elected to do

1107
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: and and I did it, and I would never write

1108
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: about it. I would write about battles because that's what

1109
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: the people want to know. Yes, but like the rest

1110
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: of it is all in the public record and you

1111
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: may see it, and I stand by what I've done.

1112
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: I also do think he is like off duty why

1113
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: brim had again, like he you know what he is.

1114
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: I feel like his style is a little in modern times,

1115
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: it'd be Yeah, it's so those guys that Miranda Lambert

1116
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: made that CD the Murfha tapes with you know what

1117
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Like he's being wide brim hat okay, and

1118
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: he's been so like unbuttoned, like kind of letting the short. Yeah.

1119
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: Actually maybe I do. Yeah. I think the hats for sure,

1120
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: and men, all men wore hats them. I guess my

1121
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: question the reason about the president he was like do

1122
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: you think that when he was running he would wear

1123
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: the uniform. I think he wore the uniform for people

1124
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: to like think he was a war hero. Yeah. I

1125
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: don't think he was like in a suit like long tails,

1126
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: penguin stuff tie. I think it's like you know me

1127
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: as a general, right, and like people are coming to

1128
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: see him speak. It's again there's no TV. So he's like,

1129
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: when did suits get invanded? Like with a tie? Well,

1130
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: there was the bolo, which I feel like it was

1131
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: already happening, and there was like long bow tie Like

1132
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: I feel like at this point there was like long

1133
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: string bow ties. Oh, I know what you're talking about.

1134
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: Those really, Like Lincoln was so suit he was like

1135
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: in top hat bow tie, penguin long blazer was like

1136
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: literally attacks okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess that tracks.

1137
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: And I feel like, oh yeah, no, when they were

1138
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: so I don't know what I'm talking about. Literally, George

1139
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: Washington is always in a suit. They've been in suits, right,

1140
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: And I'm sure he had one suit and Julia Dent

1141
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: was like, Ulysses, you look nice in that suit and

1142
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't want to wear it. I'm too

1143
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: embarrassed by the one time the tavern keep made terrible

1144
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: fun of me and the whole town mocked me. For

1145
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: three summers, I will wear my general's uniform because that

1146
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: is what people know. Man, Yeah, yeah, I think that's right.

1147
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: And he just stayed in the uniform and I'm sure. Also,

1148
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: he wore like a nightgown, like a big heavy plaid

1149
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: sweating all night, and Julia Dent is in like the

1150
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: separate twin Death. He's sweating off the whiskey in his

1151
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: like heavy flannel night and she's like, perhaps tonight you listen,

1152
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: he's just like passed out from the whiskey. How dove,

1153
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm just like kerosene lamp. Yeah. Like when he got home,

1154
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: do you think she was being so like do you

1155
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: love the new handmere that I purchased? He's sending her

1156
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: thinking She's like, I've got a new hand mirror and

1157
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: he's like, that's great. Julia Dent and like realizes like

1158
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: he's lost all of his gold coins like in some

1159
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: bad business deal and just being like and like not

1160
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: telling her maybe oh, And she's just like, I bought

1161
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: a hand mirror about a hand marry. He's like, we

1162
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: haven't fuck. He's just like fun, but he's not like

1163
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: getting angry at her because he's an institive man. Exactly.

1164
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: He wouldn't slap her, use the rod on her. I

1165
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 1: don't think. No, he would not gather a s he

1166
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: did have. Well, I don't know if he lost all

1167
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: the money, but I feel like the house was I

1168
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: feel like it was kind of so New England where

1169
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: it was like big and drafty and like some nice

1170
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,479
Speaker 1: stuff but pretty hard. Okay, I'm guess I'm like, Okay,

1171
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 1: So because there's like the rural Ohio house where like

1172
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: she's with her parents or whatever where they were, like

1173
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: where they because the kids were in Ohio at the time,

1174
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: or were they in Saint Louis. I feel like they

1175
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: were in Ohio, like the farm. So just like to me,

1176
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: that house is I feel like it could be like

1177
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: actually like insanely modest, or it could be more like

1178
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: the New England big drafty house that you're talking about,

1179
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: where there's like one chair in a fireplace and like

1180
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: a stone cattle and it's just like so austere. But

1181
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: it could also be like such a modest cabin that's

1182
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: actually super cozy. Oh, and you think like it's all

1183
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: these kids and they're around the big stovetop cattle, and

1184
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: they come back and they're like, like your home. Do

1185
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: they have a potbelly stove like the sandwich chain? Yes,

1186
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:53,919
Speaker 1: And they're serving pot bellies and there's like plaid couches

1187
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: and it's just like Pendleton blankets girl Dad, and is

1188
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: he coming back with and there's nava host stuff from

1189
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: New Mexico. He's coming back with Nava hostuff. He's coming

1190
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: back with like like one little bit of gold from

1191
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: San Francisco and I got you one little Colonel. And

1192
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: then like Son's being like, ah, gee Williker's Pops and

1193
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: there's like a deer on the wall or whatever the

1194
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: little bit. I feel like there's no taxidermy. Yeah, I

1195
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: mean that would be an authentic absolutely, and he is

1196
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: so authentic because I think maybe and it's less Yeah

1197
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: that sounds like a little too like Lauretta Lynn. And

1198
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: it's like these nine kids like but it's like the

1199
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: two sons are still sharing a room. How many kids

1200
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: end up having I don't know, but he definitely sure

1201
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: he doesn't know either. Yeah, I want to say four. Okay,

1202
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: So there's like, yeah, there's like three sons in a

1203
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: room and then like the babe is with the mother,

1204
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: baby is with the mother, and then there's like a

1205
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: full like servants quarters. But maybe like Julia denis also

1206
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: like sleeping with her mother in her room and her

1207
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: mom are sharing a bed for sure, and then like

1208
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: old Grandpa Willikers is like Grant is like in his

1209
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: nightgown and night in his consumption study. I did so

1210
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: Willie wonk overhe he's just in bed all day all

1211
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 1: with consumption color stuff. Well we'll have to look up

1212
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: these pictures turned into painting, I know. I mean, I

1213
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: guess we could also talk about what he did to

1214
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: the White House, like what was Julian death. I mean, okay,

1215
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: obviously back then, like first ladies weren't being so like No,

1216
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: I here's my little factoid fact up. Rutherford B. Hayes

1217
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: his wife Lucy invented the Easter egg hunt. Oh wait seriously, Yeah,

1218
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: which is like the most the most first light either.

1219
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: So wait, so that means that again Hayes was after Grant, right,

1220
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: So that also kind of makes me think that maybe

1221
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: like Grant jually don't weren't doing much and Lucy was like,

1222
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: so let's have a fun Easter egg hunt. I do

1223
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: think that, like, as first lady, you often kind of

1224
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,919
Speaker 1: like do the thing the person for you didn't do well. Also,

1225
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: Hayes was a major teetotaler, and they were very like

1226
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: lemonade socials. Yeah, so they had totals, whereas like Granted Dan.

1227
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: It's like Grant is drinking and Dan's just kind of

1228
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: like roaming the walls and fanning herself, and she's not

1229
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: really having so many public audiences, like maybe she brought

1230
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: a quilt from home and like maybe like once every

1231
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: four months. He was just like, the Philadelphia Philharmonic is

1232
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: going to play this evening. Ulysses, Who's like, well, I

1233
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: suppose I can muster a bit of excitement. I do

1234
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: love an overture. And they go and they see the

1235
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: overture and she's sitting there like it was lovely. And

1236
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: then he retired to the drawing room and he's like

1237
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: drinking with like so many ex Confederate generals, remember when

1238
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: you killed six thousand of my men, And they're just

1239
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: like stamping at a cigar for hours. He's like, oh,

1240
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: you're bad, Jackson, but I respect you. And then Dan's

1241
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: like not even hanging out with the other wives. She's

1242
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: been like, I'm so very tired. Okay, that's also very

1243
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: Michelle Obama hugging George Bush. That vibe like I feel

1244
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: like Grand with all of his Confederate generals is always

1245
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: like that meme that people were like, but again, like Facebook,

1246
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: moms were always showing being like remember remember remember when

1247
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: it was in political politicians were leaders and they respected

1248
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: one another before they owned man. The same boomerang of

1249
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: Michelle turning around to shake answer Bush, Okay, where it's like,

1250
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: obviously Hayes's wife is more than Michelle. I feel like

1251
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 1: Hayes's wife is more Laura Bush because she's so like

1252
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: more so Burne. Easter Egg seems more Laura Bush. Okay, Yeah,

1253
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: but isn't that also kind of more Barbara Bush Senior? True?

1254
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. Easter Egg? Answer again? Are

1255
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: all first? Okay? Okay? Who are you in the book?

1256
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: I know who I am. It's easy if you can

1257
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: guess who I think I am. Who do you think

1258
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 1: you are? I'm Captain Slaughter who sick for three years?

1259
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: Do you think for three years and then killed by

1260
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Speaker 1: the Indians and workend? Yeah, just three years of nausea.

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Speaker 1: I mean you do famously have vertigo vertigo seasick fairies.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like getting a letter and being like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I forgot to open my mail to get back on

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Speaker 1: this boat for nine months and where isthmus bound? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think that really tracks. Um, I think you. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you're Grant. No, I mean there were too loud. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I think that I think he's much more resived. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's could be shades of Grant and both

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Speaker 1: of us absolutely. Um. I mean I think you are

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Speaker 1: the root in keeping the pandaloons like roasting him. But

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Speaker 1: I'm also like, you're that jackass. I'm not so jackass.

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Speaker 1: And I also don't think like I would make fun

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Speaker 1: of someone for a fashion choice because I respect bold

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Speaker 1: fashion choices. Yeah, I guess you're more like being like, yes, ground,

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Speaker 1: where are the pantaloons? Where was that friend? He didn't

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01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: have many friends who like really just like gassed him

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Speaker 1: up for his fashion and like that's a problem. Well,

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01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: as I said, you're a random gold digger your guard

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Speaker 1: to San Francisco freelancers who moves to San Francisco in

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Speaker 1: eighteen fifty one, I do love to study abroad said literally, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, who puts no women in this book? Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm like thinking thinking other general, am I like? Okay,

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01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: am I the bitchy teacher who's beating all the suns

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Speaker 1: in the subscription school with the switch? Not really? No,

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Speaker 1: I mean I honestly like, you do get kind of

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Speaker 1: crazy on hikes, Like I feel like sometimes you're so

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01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, like you do get some boy scout

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Speaker 1: and you're like this time, you like wanted me to

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Speaker 1: walk down a full ninety degree angle in Vermont, right,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm literally not doing this to

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Speaker 1: go to like, yeah, that's like a stream. So I

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Speaker 1: wonder if you're like one of his Mexican American fellow

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01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: soldiers who's being like, no, no, no, I actually hear

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Speaker 1: the view is crazy, just like pop up the mule

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Speaker 1: and let's do this, and oh, actually this is so

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01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: you because all their eyes got so fucked up and

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01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: you're always getting pink eye, and your pink eye after

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01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 1: the hike. I'm so pink after the hike because I

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01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: was like, ms, okay, okay, but hey, listen, pink eye

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01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: is better than color. A sweetheart that consumption, take pink

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Speaker 1: any day of the week, Okay. I give Volume one

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Speaker 1: of this book three muskets out of four, and honestly

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01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: Volume two like one musket out of four. Yeah, I'm

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01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: in a similar place. I would say I give I

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Speaker 1: would divide it by volume, and I would give volume

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Speaker 1: one three months bedritten with consumption out of five and

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Speaker 1: then volume two maybe one point five because it just

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01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: drags on and again, this isn't a book that I

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Speaker 1: would encourage anyone to read too closely, you know, read parts,

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Speaker 1: skim others. But it's interesting. I think this is an

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Speaker 1: episode if you're like, oh, I really want to connect

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Speaker 1: with my dad through podcasts, but I don't know how.

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Speaker 1: Send him this episode and he's going to be like,

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Speaker 1: of course I read that book. Yeah, the dad has

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Speaker 1: probably read maybe you didn't read the memoirs, but he's

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Speaker 1: about a biography of Grant. Absolutely, most boomer parents will

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01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: have a much deeper knowledge of war history. Dads love

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Speaker 1: them soar so yeah, they might find this interesting. But again,

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Speaker 1: also I'm not here to tell you that, like you

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Speaker 1: don't like souplorious Trait, I'm also as Fani and I

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Speaker 1: also think, yeah, a like do like be abuff if

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Speaker 1: you want to be about expand your mind, because like

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Speaker 1: we're always like told to like read the bestseller. It's

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Speaker 1: like read what everyone else is reading. It's like, I

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01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: don't know, go back like people were writing hundreds of

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Speaker 1: years at all. What school is based on is to

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Speaker 1: like read history. Not its like in school, they're like

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Speaker 1: read normal people by Sally Rooney. Okay, don't do they

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01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 1: go at school now they are probably being like read

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Speaker 1: normal people by Sally Rooney. I bet my high school

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01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: they definitely are. It's like a Sally Rooney class. Anyway, Yeah, history,

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Speaker 1: have you heard of it? Back to school? Welcome? Why

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01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: see you at all? I see you at assembly. I'm

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Speaker 1: more perspective, like obviously, no one violently anti novel, and

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Speaker 1: I would never tell anyone to read, just like you know,

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Speaker 1: Oliver Twists or the Canterbury Girl. I'm just saying that,

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01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 1: like a lot of people are saying read his Tree

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01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: to like, it's kind of the thing. I mean, child

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01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: stars m specifically, so you can really find out how

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Speaker 1: did they live? How did they live? Okay, Well, next

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Speaker 1: week sweet is gonna be really cozy and yummy. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. And it's also going to be pretty healthy.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're hungry. Put on your Philannel crop top

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Speaker 1: and get your late cruse out because we're going straight

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Speaker 1: to Nashville for non native cook chef. Authoris reality TV

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Speaker 1: star and all around mother fugure designer, shipping and handling

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Speaker 1: empress Um fashion merchandising guru Kristin Cavalary and her cookbook

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Speaker 1: True Comfort. First, I was like true colors, healthy recipes

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Speaker 1: that feed the soul. I don't know if that's the tagline,

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Speaker 1: but it probably is, should they? So we'll be cooking

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Speaker 1: and eating and really Calfrey to cook along with us,

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Speaker 1: along with us and definitely watched all three seasons of

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Speaker 1: Very Cavalry to Please do Yeah. Best. Celebrity Book Club,

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Speaker 1: which was created in eighteen forty five, is presented by

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Speaker 1: Prolog Projects and Headcum. The show is produced by my

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Speaker 1: dear Megma Name who has now passed due to cholera,

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Speaker 1: with editorial support from Leon Nafalk who I studied with

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01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: at West Point, Andrew Parsons who well he was a

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Speaker 1: dear friend of mine until we got into a sword battle,

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Speaker 1: and Madeline Kaplan who is my aunt who doesn't know

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Speaker 1: her genealogy. Our production manager is c A. Verlin, who

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Speaker 1: is one of my daughters I've yet to meet. Engineering

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Speaker 1: by Ferris Monchy, who very very nicely transported me on

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Speaker 1: a canal up the Poughkeepsie River once. Original theme song

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Speaker 1: by Stephen Phillips Horst, who is a Grand Conductor in

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Speaker 1: the city of Philadelphia. Excuse me. Artwork by Teddy Blanks

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Speaker 1: at Chipped and why I would like to commission him

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Speaker 1: to do my portrait even though that seems, oh not

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Speaker 1: my style, but every president should have a painting. Please

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Speaker 1: don't forget to tell your friends about us. That was

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