WEBVTT - Black Music Month QLS Classic: Solange 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.840 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:06.640 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:10.280 What up, y'all, it's unpaid bill from Quest Love Supreme. 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:12.400 As you may have seen throughout June, we are celebrating 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:14.560 black music a month. We are releasing an episode every day, 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:16.720 so every day you would either hear especially picked a 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.680 QLs classic, and on Wednesdays we are dropping new two 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.360 part episodes Wayne Brady and the legendary James Poyser, both 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.279 of which were filmed in studio. Black music is deeply 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:28.000 important to me and has been an influence throughout my 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.040 entire career. It's also something we celebrate here at QLs. 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.720 In twenty sixteen, during the first season of QLs, we 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.080 had Solange Knowles on the show. This was a special 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:38.519 and spirited conversation with a tremendous artist who was in 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:40.160 the season of an amazing album. 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:41.320 A set of the table. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:54.400 Supremo Sun Supremo, Roll Call Suprema Sun Sun Supremo, Ro 0:00:54.800 --> 0:01:01.080 Call Suprema s S Supremo, Ro Call Supreme Son Son 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:02.720 Supremo Role Call. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:06.600 My name is Questlove. Yeah you got the message? Yeah, 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:07.640 I'm pretty sure like you. 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:08.560 Yeah. 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:09.280 I say. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:18.240 Supreme Supremo role came Suprema So Supprivo roll. 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:19.840 My name is Fante. 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:24.080 Yeah, I am not bitter. Yeah, thank God is real life? 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:31.839 Yeah and we not on Twitter. Supre roll call Supremo 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:34.759 Supremo roll call. 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:38.920 My name is Sugar Yeah, hell so lunge. Yeah, let's 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.759 eat some but the cookies. Yeah and smoke some gun. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:50.120 Suprema role called Suprema Son Son so Brea. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:55.040 Role called Bill. Yeah, I ain't that legit. Yeah, back 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.520 with quest of Supreme. Yeah, I ain't got some ship. 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:06.280 Oh, Supreme Son Son Supremo role called Suprema Son Son Suprema. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.640 Role call my name's like yeah, yeah, my day is made? 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:14.800 Yeah, cut so Lodge is here, Yeah, no shade roll call. 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:22.720 Supremo son Sign Suppremea roll call Supremo Son Supremo. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:26.239 Roll come until is here? Yeah an electric Lady. Yeah, 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:30.000 So Lounge's new album. Yeah it's crazy. 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:38.239 Rome Supprima Sun Sign Supremo role cal Supremo Sun Sun Supremo. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:39.639 Roll called names Lone. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.560 Yeah, and I'm hungover. Yeah, ask me some week. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:53.680 Yeah er Suprema Suprema roll call, Suprema son Sign Supremo. 0:02:53.880 --> 0:03:00.200 Role called Suprema son Son Suprema roll called Supremo. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:12.720 Supremo, dude in the ship that was that was wow 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:17.200 on time in rhythm go with message. I'm like, what 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:17.880 is it going wround with? 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:19.919 You? 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.720 Used the five minutes on the record and everything that 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.840 was some ship five minutes before I thought of Yo, 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.240 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:31.359 Supreme on Pandora. 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:37.240 We're broadcasting from the legendary Studio A at Electric Ladyes 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.800 Studios in New York. I'm your host Questlove, and we 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.080 have an incredible show for you today. Our guest is 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:47.480 an amazing singer. She's an amazing songwriter, dancer, choreographer, and 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:51.600 so much more. She recently released her critically acclaimed new 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:55.920 album called A Seat at the Table in my opinions, 0:03:56.000 --> 0:04:00.520 one of the best albums of twenty sixteen. Uh Solange 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.000 noses on the show today, y'all, and we'll bring on shortly. 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.160 But before we do, let's check in out with Team Supreme. Yes, 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:12.560 of course Love, Team Supreme. Yes, Uh Fante, you've been. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.160 On the road, have you not? I have been on 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:17.680 the road. My vand of Foreign Exchange. We performed, we 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:19.520 did our West Coast run, so. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:20.800 In the black and white vans. 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:25.279 Yeah yeah, and I segregated vans okay because I am 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.279 from do y'all ask for a black. 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:27.600 And white man? 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:28.360 Were? 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.440 Now when we written the event, well, well we actually 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.240 own a white van, Like we have a van that 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.000 we y'all drove to the West Coast. No, no, no, 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.720 we didn't. We didn't this time. No we No, I'm 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.640 not I'm not that adventurous. But so we actually own 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.919 a white man. So when we go out, like really 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.440 it's the members. The black members are in one van 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:47.840 and the white members and the other van. But we 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.280 come together on stage. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:53.320 And make music. Wait, wait, through is there a difference 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.960 besides melononlas melon man? Like I said, a we ben 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.280 Now do we know? Straight up, let's talk about it. 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.280 There is a we a surprisingly it is is the 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.680 white man is the white man is the we man, 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.000 and the black man is the conservative man. Yeah we're 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:15.440 pretty conservative. Absolutely, No, no, that's no bullshit. We've been 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.520 pulled over like I got pulled over on ninety four 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:18.960 on our. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.120 Way to Detroit. Uh, dude, made us, made us get 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:28.279 out the car. Just get. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:33.280 Right. 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:37.320 Now, you are witnessing a reference to a Five Heartbeats movie. 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.680 Is that right? It was five heart Beats meat? But 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:43.800 you were right, You're right. But but nah, man, we 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:47.240 toured tours. Dope. I'm glad it's over, you know, because 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:51.320 I already don't like touring. But you're touring all the time. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:51.760 Why not? 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:56.120 I know, just I just cause like, fuck that ship touring, man, Like, 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.839 here's the thing with me with with touring, Like, I mean, 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.080 it's necessarily evil, right, you gotta go get your money 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:04.160 and the time while I'm actually on stage, I do 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.720 enjoy you know what I'm saying. I do enjoy performing, 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.320 you know, the interplay with the band, I do enjoy that. 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.520 But everything leading up to that and after that, I 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:13.560 fucking hate what. 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:16.080 Touring? 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.760 Okay, we the parls of touring are just pretty much. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.680 It disrupts your patterns. So whatever it is that you're 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.000 trying to do in your life to be better, whether 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.920 if you're trying to eat better, you're trying to exercise, 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.520 you trying to stay off these holes, whatever it is 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.520 you're trying to do. You're trying to stay off cocaine, 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.800 You're trying to leave drugs along, You're trying to stop drinking. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.800 Whatever it is that you're trying to do. The road 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.280 is like the last place you want to try to 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.560 do it. So when I'm at home, my routine is 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.480 very simple. Wake up, you know, hit the gym, you know, 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:51.240 work a little something around the house, go pick up 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:55.559 my boys from school, homework, dinner, I right, go to bed, whatever, 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:57.760 play some dune, you know what I mean, not a 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.560 hole to be found, saying. The only hope we find 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:03.600 is in the is in the garage. So but when 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.040 you go on the road, it just disrupts everything. So 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.400 like you're eating, goes to ship, you know what I'm saying, 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:12.600 You're up crazy hours and then you perform. And after 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.480 you perform, I mean that's essentially energy that you've absorbed 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:17.480 from all these people. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:19.640 So now you can't go to sleep. So now you 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:21.360 got to figure out how do I get to sleep? 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:22.680 So you know what I'm saying. 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.480 Yeah, So you know, I never like, I never liked, 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:29.080 so I just don't. I like just a real simple life. 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.880 And so my goal is to get enough money to 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.200 where I ain't gotta do it no more. 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.320 But I bet the road is good for someone who's 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.880 in their whole face now listen, let me tell you something. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.280 I feel like next door you and me, I'm coming 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:41.640 with man. 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:43.720 Let me tell you one got damn thing, Bill Sherman. Yeah, 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.760 come out here on your whole face. Man, listen. 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:52.880 Bro Oh my god, I'm gonna do it. No, no, 0:07:55.640 --> 0:08:01.120 just sound like Entourage is one of the I mean 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:02.400 that show was. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.240 It's kind of candyass as it was, but it was 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.400 real in the sense that it showed how the guy 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:10.600 didn't really get to have the fun. 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.520 All the guys around, the guys right, they got to 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.640 live it up. The star, the person who's in the 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:20.640 epicenter never has the fun. Never Matt Well, okay, referring 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:25.520 back to our Alan lead show, like Brown Mark of 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.880 the Revolution used to always get fined more for like 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.720 one minute late two minutely simply because like he had 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.199 the freedom to really clean and rack up in the 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.440 bars and in the hotel lobby because he was known 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:42.199 as the guy from a Revolution. But it wasn't like 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.800 kass and Mayhe he it wasn't the guy. Prince on 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.640 the other hand, would cause Kasos and Mayheim everywhere he went, 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.320 so he was basically a prisoner in his hotel. 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.760 Absolutely he couldn't go to nowhere. He did all that 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.439 work for nothing. Yeah man, so yeah, so yeah, so 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.720 I generally hated it. I'm not print but but I mean, 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.120 but really after the show, I don't know, maybe Mars, 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.400 maybe I'm Maris, I'm on Morris than Prince. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:06.800 But uh, you know, I'm thankful for the opportunity. I'm 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.200 thankful for the work. You know what I'm saying. I'm 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:08.959 thankful for the checking. 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:10.160 So much joy to the people. 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.760 Know when I'm on stage, I love it and the 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:18.160 minute it ends. Yeah, she came. She was that engine 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.520 came to the LA show. Oh lord, oh lord, exactly 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:22.800 with the. 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.160 T and plus I've been coming to Fontae shows. I'm like, 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.800 I'm not as much as your shows. Don't get it 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:29.480 twisted because he's a little I don't. 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.000 Perform as much. Like God, damn, the old jokes keep coming. 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:40.880 No, I called, I was that was hard. But but nah, man, 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.720 I'm yo, I'm I'm good. I'm happy. I've been playing 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.000 on Xbox, so I'm good. All good. Let's get to 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:51.760 her special guest right now. Hey, surprises a bum. 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:55.120 Actually this is not a surprise though, because I guess 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:59.319 back in twenty fourteen. Uh, I kind of made a 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:04.760 cry to the Internet for artists to really start making 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.840 music relevant to the times we live in. And somehow 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:13.880 the gods have heard my cry. And I knew that 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.439 something was coming up the pike from our special guests, 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:23.360 but I didn't know the magnet, the levels level of 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.360 deepness that was going to come with it. Ladies and gentlemen, 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.760 Welcome to Quest Love Supreme Clon's no. 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:35.360 Thank you? 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:39.080 How are you? Solon? 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:40.880 I'm doing really really well. 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.400 What was drinking all? What was drinking all last night? 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:49.120 Tequila and wine? 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:54.680 Oh wow, to Como party and I know. 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:58.760 Not Titos. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.760 I think it was like, that's not a drinking. 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.360 I thought it was. It was I'm sorry, I'm I'm 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:10.040 learning to what's Tito's? Yeah, you know, I wish people 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:17.000 would stop like, ah, like look, I'm still drinking from water. Yeah, 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.360 it's that fise like frad wise like night training me. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:22.559 That's like a hard what is frame wall? What is 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:26.199 what is Lambic? Frame boishek rhyme that one and say 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.160 nothing new. Okay, it's a Belgian beer, but it really 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:34.880 tastes like uh Welch's grape juice with a little bit 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:38.240 of like non alcoholic near beer in it, and I 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.320 take it they only sell this in neighborhoods where you'll 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:41.840 find hot cheeto wrappers on them. 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:43.600 This is. 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.680 No this is a high ended beer. 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:53.679 I guess it's been like five weeks without drinking, just 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.640 in preparation for my Saturday night live performance, so I 0:11:57.760 --> 0:11:58.480 had a little. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:11:58.960 Catching up to. 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.839 I'm glad you still agreed to come. 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.079 Oh man, I'm honored to be here with all of 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:07.360 you guys. Thanks for having me. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:09.280 Thanks you too. 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.199 See me, I'm playing I'm playing cool. What are you 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:12.680 talking about? 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:19.200 A special sweater for tonight? 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:24.600 Wearing sweatshirt from I Forget the Ages? 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:25.920 Yes? 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:27.080 Great. 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.959 By the way, congratulations on your Saturday live performance. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:32.560 That joint was so much. 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:36.680 Was beyond nervous. 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:37.480 Why are you nervous? 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.280 You know what I think, because through. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.640 The process of making the album, it was such an 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:48.439 insular experience in some ways that it felt so mine 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:54.760 and so personal. And to have that platform and and 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.959 that be offered to me was just such an honor. 0:12:58.120 --> 0:12:59.400 I was so honored. 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.920 And of course you don't say no to that, but 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.599 for your first time delivering these songs, to be on 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:11.280 such a huge platform and almost like the safety net 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.080 in the space that I've created throughout making this album 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:16.000 and releasing it. 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.319 That was the moment where it was like, Okay, this 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.760 is outside of that safety. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.680 Oh your comfort zone. Yeah, but I would think you've 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.439 been performing all your life. Yeah, about some point you 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:30.800 would just be numb to the experience of like, oh, 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:33.040 this ain't nothing, it's just another No. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:38.079 Actually it was not you air yeah, no, no, no, no, no, 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:39.800 no no. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.839 I've seen you singing at the age of seven on 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.080 videotape and all that stuff. That's the thing. I'm shocked 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.040 that you still get nervous about performance, you know. 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:56.839 I actually about three years ago I suffered from my 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:58.360 first bout of stage. 0:13:58.480 --> 0:13:58.640 Right. 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.160 I had a show and it just came out of nowhere. 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:07.400 And it's really really something that I've been trying to 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.920 work through. It's fairly new. Like you said, I have 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:15.400 been performing for a really long time. So yeah, I 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.880 was working through a lot of stuff before that performance 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:25.680 and again just sharing it in such a big space 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.840 because after I put out the record, I actually went 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:33.640 to Mexico, as you know, for ten days, like the 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:37.240 day after I put the record out, so I didn't 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.040 have a lot of the outside noise, you know. In 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.200 that experience, I was able to just shut my brain 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:48.040 off and really just live in the moment of releasing 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.160 and sharing such a big part of myself with the world. 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.640 And so as soon as I came back, it was 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:59.400 time to prepare for Saturday Night Live. So I really 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:03.000 didn't have I have that time to transition into that 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.600 that headspace and the way that I maybe would have liked. 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:08.400 From the time they say, hey, we want you to 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.400 do it to the time you're on stage. How much 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:11.800 time is that the prep I. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:16.600 Had three weeks? Okay, about a week of that time 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:22.000 was putting together a band I wanted to put together 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:26.920 a new band, a New Orleans space band, and then 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:32.800 I actually choreographed the entire show as well, the band's choreography, 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:38.480 my choreography. So I spent a week on that and 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.040 then yeah, a solid week of rehearsals. So not a 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.360 whole lot of time for such a big platform. 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.640 But and that was your first time ever performing those 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:51.000 songs live ever. Wow, So are you are you saying 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:56.280 that you essentially finished the record, mastered sequence it whatever, 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:02.240 released it as an hell Mary Throw and then you 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:07.200 just fled the country kind of with your fingers over 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.760 your ears and your eyes closed and like, Okay, let 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.600 me see what's gonna happen. Kind of yeah, And you 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.520 did it just to protect yourself from either what you 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:21.800 either criticism of it or the not knowing what the 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:22.680 response would be. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.240 No, I think I did it as a personal retreat 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:27.280 for myself. 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.680 I worked on the album over a three year course 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:36.400 of time, and you know, it was at times a 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:44.800 very taxing experience emotionally, mentally, physically, spiritually, and the two 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:49.280 weeks leading up to releasing the album were some of 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:53.160 the most challenging days that I've ever had in my life. 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:59.200 I had a lot of issues with clearances and mastering 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.440 and you know, all of the stuff that comes at 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.920 the very end of putting an album. I almost lost 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.280 my album date. There was just a lot of internal 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:12.959 stuff that was happening, and I think towards the end 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.000 I kind of lost a little context because everything was 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:17.520 moving so rapidly. 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:21.280 But I always knew that for. 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.240 My sanity that when I released the record, I needed 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.760 to just have some quiet, reflective time. 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:31.280 You told me at the very beginning of the recording 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.760 process of the record back when you just had demos 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:40.880 that you were going to make the quote, the statement 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:45.119 the quintessential you know what you felt would you've been 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:54.359 dying to express, which I know for you that had 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.280 to be a challenge because I mean I can imagine 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:01.120 based on and I've been on uh where I reach 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:05.480 your that sounds stalky, like I'm always on your website, 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.159 a website that's not stalker, that's not I know. 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.480 I'm like he's also acting like we don't talk. 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:19.440 No, no, that's the thing. But that's the thing, like, yeah, no, 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:25.000 I mean, I'm sure like we're genuinely friends, but our 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:30.440 friendship really hasn't been on the musical worship side of things, 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:35.639 like we rarely talk about each other's projects, you know, 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.160 and but just in general. 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:43.600 Yeah, we built that friendship off of a ginuine friendship connection. 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:44.520 I know that. 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.520 There was there was one entry on your site that 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.320 really had me curious and I wanted to call you 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.320 about it, but I forgot to. And that was the 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.600 I guess we can call the the craft work incident. Yeah, 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:05.639 and the thing was I understood. I guess what I 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:09.359 got from it was that it's really hard for you 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:17.840 to make people understand that you still go through human experiences, 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:24.600 which because people perceived you as coming from such a 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:30.840 this perceived dynasty of giants that you know, would be 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.000 time to pull out the violin or whatever, like, oh 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:38.000 that's good, you know, and it's never validated. What I'm 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.280 saying is that what I got from that entry was 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.840 the fact that you were frustrated that you really couldn't 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.440 figure out a way to express the anger you have 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.480 when those injustices and those situations happened to you, because 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:57.399 people don't see you as a human being and just 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:02.160 see you as part of this, you know, this dynasty 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:06.959 that's supposed to be tafline to emotions, and I can 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.480 imagine that being frustrating. Can you explain the craft work situation? 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:15.399 Yes, but I will say before before I get into that, 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.280 just to carry on what you said. The thing is 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.640 is that doctor Dre is going through this in front 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.639 of his home, and Oprah Winfrey is going through this, 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:28.280 you know, in the Hermez store, and these are billionaires, 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.359 so that in that landscape, I think those kind of 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:40.200 micro aggressions happen to everyone daily as as a black 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:42.080 woman and man in this country. 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.080 It doesn't matter your class. 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:47.560 It doesn't matter how much money you have, what kind 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:51.720 of quote unquote empire dynasty you come from. 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:55.920 That's just the lay of the land. Essentially. 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:03.680 My husband and my son who's twelve jewels, and his 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:09.080 friend Rashid, we went to see craft Work. And the 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:12.160 interesting thing was it was a Friday night. My son 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.800 had his friend over. They had never heard of craft Work, 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:18.840 to be honest, that was the last thing that they 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:20.840 wanted to do with their Friday night. 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:24.040 So, you know, Allen and I. 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.200 Are showing them YouTube videos and trying to make the 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:32.600 link with hip hop to get them more interested, and 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.560 showing them visuals and like, no, you guys are gonna 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:42.000 love this, like, you know, just relating and specifically showing 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:44.679 the samples that. 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:50.280 Jules's uncle sample of Craftworks. 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:55.280 So whoever that is because it took me a minute. 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:57.960 So essentially. 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:03.280 That's important to note, just just for the story itself, 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:08.239 that here you have two young black kids who are 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:13.200 not really interested, don't have much, you know, knowledge about 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:19.399 this band. Yeah, and we are you know, trying to 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.960 navigate them into the show and build interests and whatever. 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:27.800 As soon as we walk in, we got our three. 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:30.720 D glasses said their museum run. 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:42.040 No, this was at the Orpheum Theater, and so yeah, 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:45.840 we're basically walking to our seats and it just so 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:47.520 happened the very song. 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:52.800 Yes exactly was on. 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:59.479 And so we were super stoked. We had box seats. 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:03.400 There was two rows in front of us in one 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:09.199 row behind us, and we walked to our seats and. 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:17.040 We're dancing, and these women essentially just started yelling at 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:20.800 the top of their lung sit down, now, sit down, 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:24.040 shut up. You guys are been so disruptive. 0:23:26.680 --> 0:23:31.280 And I turned around, and I, in that moment, had 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:34.440 to make a decision. Am I gonna respond or am 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:37.639 I just going to enjoy this song and deal with 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:41.000 it later. I actually clocked into myself, you know, you 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:44.200 have that moment and said, I'm gonna dance to this 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:46.639 song and then I'm gonna sit my ass down because 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:51.600 I already know where this is heading. Simultaneously, which I 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:54.840 didn't write about, which Alan thought was really important for 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:58.480 me to note and note you My son is he 0:23:58.640 --> 0:24:05.280 was eleven at the time, and this the attendant comes 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:08.359 over to him and his friend who are sitting down. 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:09.960 They weren't standing up dancing. 0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:15.399 Alan an hour and says put your no electronic cigarettes. 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:21.160 Put your cigarettes away to these children. Yes, yes, cigarettes, 0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:24.199 know you. As soon as we walked in and. 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:27.320 We saw these two older white men sitting in front 0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:31.480 smoking the cigarettes, we took note of that. 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:34.439 We weren't bothered, but you know. 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:37.000 It was just the assumption that if someone was breaking 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.680 the rule, surely it was the two eleven year old 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:40.280 black kids. 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:44.679 Yeah, yeah, vapin. 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:50.959 So it was just a lot of tension in general, 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:53.960 and thank god, by the grace of God, Alan hopped 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:57.520 into that immediately and was like, ma'am, these are children, 0:24:57.840 --> 0:24:59.040 You've got the wrong people. 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:00.439 Whatever. 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:09.040 And then after that, Alan's going to kill me for 0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:12.720 for blanking on the name of the song automond Ye 0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:14.840 that comes on. 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:19.080 And on the ride there, Alan had played me the 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.960 entire twelve minute song and. 0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.440 It just so happened that that's what they played. So 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:27.960 I was like, well, I'm gonna just dance to this 0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:32.880 one too, because we had just had that moment, right, 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:36.560 and we're at an electronic dance music concert. 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:38.040 It's not like. 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:40.639 Engaged in. 0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:45.680 So there's two there's two parts of this problem. 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:51.040 The problem is also that you know, we probably should 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:53.480 have asked for floor seats. 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:56.320 But we were under the assumption that people were going 0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:57.880 to be dancing all night long. 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:00.440 So you're in the balcony the theater. 0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:06.760 Yes, So we're dancing, and then I feel something hit 0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.359 me on the back of my head. 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.480 But I say, surely I am tripping. 0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:16.320 Must be tripping, must be tripping, right, So I actually 0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:19.480 tell Alan, I said, I swear, and maybe I'm just 0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:22.040 losing my motherfucking black eyes light. 0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:25.560 But I just felt something hit. 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:27.600 Me on the back of my head, and he was like, babe, 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:30.800 you might just be tripping, like just lay low. 0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:35.800 So I actually, you know, shook it off. 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:43.320 And then I felt something harder, Oh yeah, me on 0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:47.840 my shoulder, and my son, my eleven year old son, 0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:52.639 tapped me. He picked up a line from the ground 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.920 I half eaten lime, and he said, Mom, I just 0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.920 watched these women throw this at you in front. 0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:04.240 Used to be tested in all kinds of ways. 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:17.600 A reference, And I feel so bad because they gave 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:18.480 us the tickets. 0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:21.399 I've never met them, but you know, it just it 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:24.200 just sucks that they also had to be associated with 0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:27.879 this incident. But yeah, you know, in that moment, I 0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:34.600 basically knew we had probably three choices one was to react, 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:42.080 which probably would have led to someone getting arrested, you know, 0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:46.640 just spiraling out of control, or I called the police 0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.720 on them because essentially. 0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.840 You know, they did throw ship at me. 0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.720 Wow. I never even thought, yeah, I mean, you know, 0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:01.639 you're going we can. 0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.120 Sometimes exactly that's what they. 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:09.439 Do literally, But I knew that even if that happened, 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:10.320 that somehow. 0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:14.080 It would still be our fraud, or just to just 0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:17.760 take it and be silenced, because I knew that if I. 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.600 Spoke to them that it would escalate. 0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:25.320 And my son was there, it was already traumatic enough 0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:29.320 for him to have to experience that, especially in a 0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:34.840 context where it was a predominantly white space and he 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:37.920 didn't want to be there in the first place. And 0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:41.120 so now I think the thing that saddened me the 0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:44.760 most is that here we are, as parents trying to expand, 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:49.640 you know, his horizon and his experience and make him 0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:54.360 feel like he belongs wherever he chooses to be. 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.320 But that was not the message that we got that nex. 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:00.400 What do you think he took from that experience? Did 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:01.600 you explain them? Oh? 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:05.360 Yeah, I had several talks. No, no, no, we had 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:11.560 several talks. In fact, you know, the we had. It 0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:14.520 was it was quite a three days after that, I 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:15.040 think that. 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:20.480 Number one, I think just as a young man and 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:24.640 him and Alan, both as the men and the family 0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:29.680 also felt silent and powerless just in protecting me in 0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:33.720 that situation because they are black men, and no matter 0:29:33.920 --> 0:29:36.000 what would have been said or done, they would have 0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:39.520 been the aggressive in the situation. So on one end, 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:44.240 it was about teaching him, you know, after the last 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:49.640 eleven twelve now twelve years of teaching him about injustices 0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:52.840 and how to stand up for himself and to not 0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:57.200 be afraid and to speak up and then having to say. 0:29:57.320 --> 0:30:01.480 But there to say. 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:07.760 Right. So it was it was just very complicated. But 0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:11.120 I felt the need to write that piece for him. 0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:17.200 I felt the need to essentially not be silenced. 0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:21.320 In that situation and to let him know that there 0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:23.680 is an outlet in a way to use his voice 0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:27.040 responsibly because there are so many people who read that 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.840 piece who I felt had a deeper understanding of the 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.960 microaggressions that we face as black men and women on 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:37.880 a daily basis, who were able to empathize, which is 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:41.760 something that we have the expectation of people to do 0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:44.680 on a daily basis and to treat us with humanity. 0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:48.040 But it was really. 0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:52.600 Interesting, and I felt regretful because I had so much 0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:56.600 rage in the moment that I started tweeting because I 0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:59.080 wanted them to see it. When they got home, they 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.480 were put on black. But I wish that I would 0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:05.760 have just channeled my emotions and that waited and channeled in. 0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:09.520 In that piece. And it was a great lesson learned that. 0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:14.360 You know, it really is no way to condense that 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:19.600 experience in however many letters that you get on one 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:20.600 hundred and forty. 0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:22.880 Characters had to write a book about it. 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.280 Yeah, yeah, it's really no way. 0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:30.480 But I wanted them to get home and to see 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:35.920 them and to see they have some accountability. I honestly 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.720 thought that it would come up at this point because 0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:39.920 so many people are. 0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:41.720 Just put two and two together. 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:49.800 It was widely widely talked about locally and normal. The 0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:52.640 real crazy ship, though, is that they got up and 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:53.600 started dancing. 0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:54.920 Of course, after you. 0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:58.400 Get out of your pistom, like you burning right. 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:03.440 Youst we're going to take that word, yes, And. 0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:08.000 I did forget to note that Alan went over to 0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:11.840 them and said, did you just you know, throw fruit 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.480 at or whatever? At my wife, and one of the 0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:17.600 women says, I just want to make it clear that 0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:21.960 was not me saying those horrible nasty things, streaming those 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:23.000 horrible nasty things. 0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:25.440 So we don't even know what they actually were saying 0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:34.040 while they were throwing Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but again you. 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:39.200 Can figure out who, and I would be happy to 0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:44.680 listen listen to you. What should be noted, though, is 0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:49.640 I feel like that was very mature of you to 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:58.160 just stop pondering. Think we're having a fascinating conversation with 0:32:58.280 --> 0:33:01.800 our guests to lunch. I don't even think do you remember? 0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:05.440 I remember the first time I met you, I was 0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:08.280 in the audience at an Apollo show. 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:11.280 Probably was no stop pondering and thinking. 0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:15.000 And the first time I met you, you were confronting 0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:19.640 someone in the audience about what they said about That's 0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:20.600 the first time I met you. 0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:22.440 They were out of control though, and. 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.200 Well, yeah, I know, but it's just like, you know, 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:33.360 I always felt that you had to walk the thin 0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:37.840 line between any any defense, your family, your art, your 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:42.480 you know, and the fact that you I think I 0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.880 would have lost it, you know, especially as like, oh, 0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:48.320 you're trying to masculate me in front of front of 0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:52.520 my kids. That's that is amazing. I just want to 0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:53.560 say that to be committed. 0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.880 But I felt like, honestly, throughout the course of making 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:04.320 the album, that was it incredible amount of growth that 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:08.239 I was able to achieve through channeling you know, this 0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:19.040 rage and just frustration and pain through my art and 0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:23.360 through my writing, and I feel like I have a 0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.879 better toolbag, were. 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.359 Able to get it, were able to get it out, 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:29.200 and I was. 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:34.480 Even you know, some things happened last night that I 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:38.120 would not have responded in the same way. But I 0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:42.680 honestly feel like everything that I could have said, I 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:46.760 wrote on this album. So when those things are happening 0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:50.880 to me now versus pre this album, I feel like 0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:54.719 it's there for you to discover if you want to 0:34:54.800 --> 0:35:00.160 have that conversation. But I don't feel the need to 0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:04.279 have those conversations as much as I did prior to 0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:05.840 releasing this record. 0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:06.880 The conversation is. 0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:11.640 There, you know, the period between the true album Yes 0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:14.759 and this album, Like why didn't you feel that you know, 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:17.800 twenty twelve wasn't the apropros time to do it, or 0:35:17.960 --> 0:35:22.279 even with the Heavey Street record, or even did you 0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.200 have any say in the very first record, so it's oh. 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:30.000 Yeah, that's my baby, I wrote. I wrote probably seventy 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:32.040 five percent of that record at fifteen. 0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:38.239 Well you wrote all your material practically, okay, but were 0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:42.799 there people that you can't do that? I honestly, when 0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:47.960 you told me that I was scared, I was like no, no, no. 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:54.040 Honestly, at fifteen, through throughout that record, I think that 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.480 that was just such an interesting time in music. 0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:57.640 That was at the height of. 0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:04.040 You know, Britney Spears, Christine Angular and sync and here 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:09.880 I was. Everyone goes to that phase. I was thirteen, 0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:14.799 I went to Jamaica. I was that suburban kid who 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:21.520 you know, was definitely felt connected and I still do 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:27.239 feel connected to a lot of principals of Rastafarism. But 0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:32.239 I definitely, you know, cut all my hair off. 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:36.560 I was a vegan. I was really doing some soul searchinges. 0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:49.200 So this was like your snoop lyon period wow alone 0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:52.800 or like under the guise of like we was Miss Tina. 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:56.440 Like no, no, we no. 0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.600 But it was more so about I really did feel 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:02.720 a lot of connectivity to my body being a temple, 0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:08.600 and you know, it had a really strong effect on 0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.560 me and I actually feel like though as a songwriter, 0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:16.280 I was at my most potent and honest. Even still 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:18.640 to this day, I say it all the time, the 0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.799 way that I approached songwriting. Yes, there was a sense 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:26.560 of clarity and like, I'm dying to make a playlist 0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:30.200 of my fifteen year old songs that I wrote because 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:33.279 I still still feel like there's some of my strongest 0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:35.239 songwriting to this day. 0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:42.840 Yeah really, yeah, I mean, but I also. 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:48.800 Was, you know, extremely privileged to have been in the 0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:55.040 studio during that time with Pharrell and Timberland and Rock Wilder, 0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:59.719 and I was around some real musicians, you know, so 0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:02.600 it must be interesting for them to have seen you 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:04.759 then and then see you now like have you gotten 0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:07.719 I'm sure Farrell's hit you up like whoa yeah. And 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.799 Pharrell has been such a champion of me since day one, 0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:15.759 and I am so grateful for that. I remember, you know, 0:38:16.480 --> 0:38:20.600 a lot of times being fourteen, going into those studio sessions. 0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:24.759 I was signed to Colombia then it was a very 0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:31.480 different Columbia, like I said, and two three ooh. 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:33.560 Probably two probably two. 0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:40.040 And I would walk into these sessions with these producers 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:43.399 and they would say, okay, like we have a few 0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:46.000 tracks that we want to play you and I was like, no, 0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:47.520 actually write my own music. 0:38:47.640 --> 0:38:49.040 Can you play some instrumentals? 0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:49.560 Oh? 0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:55.640 Fifty percent of the time people were like, we need 0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:58.080 to call the A and R. And you know, because 0:38:58.120 --> 0:38:59.800 they thought that this was just going to be easy. 0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:05.120 I was younger sister, like, let's just come in, get 0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:07.840 this check and keep a cute and quick. 0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:10.360 And I was playing like, you know. 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:15.640 Shuggary Otis Records and like, I actually have brothers Johnson 0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:18.239 play guitar on some of my songs on. 0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:24.960 That album, and like your first record, yes, yeah, but 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:29.440 I have to say for real was one of the 0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.040 ones I was just immediately. 0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:35.040 Like, Okay, if you want to write it, then let's 0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:40.480 do it, you know. So yeah, I feel like, what's 0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:41.719 really interesting is. 0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:45.279 That album cover. 0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:49.200 I actually I have on my little Cari shells and 0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:55.000 my red in the Rosta cap and then in Hadley Street, 0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:59.800 you know. I I it was still really really important 0:39:59.840 --> 0:40:06.239 to me to incorporate social activism and black pride and 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:11.960 black history into that record and my first video. I 0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:16.120 had images of Malcolm X and Angela Davis and aside 0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:21.839 of Secure and Chay, and it was people weren't peeping. 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:24.960 But I'm like, this is I decided. 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:28.720 I decided, if you look back at that that video 0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:34.520 on the history, it was all of that was in there. 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:35.680 So where does that come from? 0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:36.040 Sound? 0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:45.960 I was to do the question, Yeah, I'm gonna go 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.560 back to the beginning, because they're going to me from repetition, 0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:49.359 all right. 0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:51.879 So I was just saying that to say that it's 0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:52.919 always been there. 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:58.400 You know, it's always the storytelling through the lens of 0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.680 a black woman, and our stories in our history has 0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:03.759 for me, always been there. 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:05.480 It has always been a part of my work. 0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:10.440 I don't think it's ever been as explicitly as honest 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.280 and spelled out and unavoidable. 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:19.040 I always did it in ways that were kind of 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:20.640 less at the forefront. 0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:25.560 But I think it was the album that I was 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:30.280 really destined to make, you know, from a very young age, 0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:34.719 and I had gone through enough experiences between that timeline 0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:40.080 of releasing True and the aftermath of that to where 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:45.560 it really challenged me to say, what is it that 0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:48.560 you can write now that is what you are living 0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:53.800 through and existing in, and that that was it, you know, 0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:57.360 those stories that are told on the album, that's what 0:41:57.680 --> 0:42:00.800 I was living and existing in every day. 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:05.920 So it felt really good to get that out. 0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:13.880 Between True and Headley. Your your fondness for the word fucking. 0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:20.480 The first thing I noticed the one True was with 0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:23.120 some the second song some Things don't just seem to 0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:27.800 fucking work to me. It was the ultimate title. And 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:33.880 then I think Headley's last song was fuck this industry, which. 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:41.200 That's a man. I have to say. 0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:45.080 Dev actually wrote the line some things never fucking work. 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:50.000 So I didn't say fucking two times. I didn't write 0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:51.719 fucking two times in a song. 0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:54.680 But sometimes that's just the only way that you can. 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:57.880 Well just kind of let you know that it's on 0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:03.640 on another level. So now I do want to go 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:09.560 back to the beginning to take I think no. I 0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:12.800 think it's only important because the way that this album 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:19.200 is built, especially with the interludes and master needs to 0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:20.120 drive an audio book. 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:28.160 I've got like two hours of audio from p that 0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:29.319 will blow your mind. 0:43:29.880 --> 0:43:35.879 Now, Okay, white guy questions purpose like that? Why can't 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:38.480 they just be questioned? No, but this is the purpose 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:41.800 of the show is for all of us different cultures 0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:47.560 and background, black and white people and bosses and minions 0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:52.760 and bosses. I pointed to myself when I said minions, 0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:56.560 it's got real Disney for a second. Okay, minions, No, 0:43:56.719 --> 0:44:01.120 but he Okay, I was shocked that master P got 0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:05.680 so much uh space on the album. I mean, he's 0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:08.400 borderline the narrator of the record. 0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:13.319 Yeah, I'm sorry, Are you right? 0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:18.360 I wasn't shocked that you chose him to narrate it 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:23.000 because unbeknownst to me, he did have a story to tell, 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:27.960 which again, I think the thing is that hip hop 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:30.799 Maybe this couldn't answer your concern Bill, your question? 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:37.520 What was the question and why master And I said, 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:39.440 I reallyct the record was to deal with master P. 0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:43.239 That was the first because I was listening to the 0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:45.080 entire ride here and that's what I thought. 0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:49.160 So what you know about how I worked together? 0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:49.400 You know. 0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:54.480 But the thing is is that with ninety percent of 0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:59.480 the participants in hip hop culture, you really don't get 0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:05.000 to see the vulnerability and the human side of them. 0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:08.399 So thus we would just think that Masterpiece the guy 0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:12.360 from the from about about it. Yeah, and just like 0:45:12.640 --> 0:45:15.239 you know, like, Okay, it's some guy in the trap 0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:18.000 and he has money and Da da dada and c murder, 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:22.680 and you don't think of them as human beings. Human being, right, 0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:25.600 The thing that shocked me the most was like I 0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:28.759 was engaged. I started looking. I didn't even look at 0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:30.319 the credits. I was just like, Oh, I wonder if 0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:34.120 there's another Master, Oh he's back. How did you know 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:37.000 that he had a story to tell and why did 0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.520 you think it would be engaging and why did you 0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:44.440 provide the platform for him to not tell his story 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:48.920 but also to kind of tell your story as well well. 0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:50.319 First of all, I think that. 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:57.239 Master is incredibly regal, and there was a thread of 0:45:57.360 --> 0:46:02.320 regality that I wanted to connect to the album and 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:08.600 to the visuals. I really wanted to present Black people, 0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:16.480 as you know, regal, stately beings that we are, and 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:19.719 I think that regality can be expressed in so many 0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:20.520 different ways. 0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:26.400 But I remember, and this might be generational, like. 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:33.319 Seeing MTV Cribs with Master B on it and him 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:39.440 having like a gold toilet seed and all old everything 0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:48.120 and being incredibly ornate. But I also remember my father 0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:54.160 really looking up to Master Be because he was a 0:46:54.560 --> 0:47:01.239 black man who entered this music industry and this landscape 0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:06.200 completely independent, and he held on to his independence. And 0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:09.600 that was something that was really important from my father 0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:14.200 as someone who is transitioning as a music executive and 0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:17.719 learning the business. He you know, had a great deal 0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:20.680 of respect for MASTERP and I would hear about that. 0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:27.480 So I think that there's like a few different levels 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:31.560 to it. One is again the regal aspect. I've always 0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:38.120 you know, thought of him in that way. And then secondly, 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:44.360 throughout the course of this album, independence and empowerment is 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:48.760 one of the messages that I wanted to constantly drill 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:53.480 in and hone in on. And who better to tell 0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:56.080 that story to me than Master Be. I mean, he 0:47:57.080 --> 0:48:01.280 is honestly one of the own only ones who didn't 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:07.640 sell his company, who did not you know, shortsight his 0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:12.320 company and his empire for a check. And he really 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:16.040 really started in the trunks in the trenches. He saw 0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:19.040 a vision. What I love about him is that he 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:28.440 saw so much within his twelve blocks. He saw so 0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:33.440 much potential and belief within his local community that it 0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:38.840 was never an idea or he when he speaks about this, 0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:44.239 he says like he never was thinking about mainstream or 0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:47.879 building this global empire. He was thinking about a need 0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:52.880 and demand in his community. You know, he actually opened 0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:56.520 a record store after he started selling trunks in his 0:48:56.719 --> 0:49:01.320 car and that was during a time when and I 0:49:01.400 --> 0:49:05.440 guess you couldn't like the idea of FedEx and overnighting 0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:12.800 CDs like was so foreign. But he was in Oakland 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:17.520 or somewhere Richmond, Richmond, California, where it was really hard 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:21.200 to get a lot of explicit hip hop records, and 0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:23.440 so he struck up a deal with a lot of 0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:28.960 the southern distribution places and he with FedEx. 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:32.560 Albums overnight, and that was like unheard of at that time. 0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:40.279 So he was basically like importing CDs locally and right exactly, 0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:45.720 but just the idea for him of wanting to supply 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:49.560 that for people who wanted to have access to that, 0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:51.600 that was super inspiring to me. 0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:55.880 And then I also think that I see a lot of. 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:03.319 Similarities in my father and and the empowerment of being 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:08.160 a self made black man and navigating through that. 0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:10.120 One of the things I wanted to ask you about 0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:14.080 in regards to your dad, the interlude where he's talking 0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:16.680 about how he was angry as a kid, that really 0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:20.520 resonated with me as someone born and raised in the South, 0:50:21.120 --> 0:50:23.399 and just from hearing I don't know how you guys 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:26.400 recorded it, I don't know the setting, but it sounded 0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:29.439 really intimate, and it sounded like, was that your first 0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:31.640 time hearing that story from him? 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:37.839 No, So I always heard the stories about my father 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:42.279 integrating his schools. He did that in both elementary and 0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:45.840 junior high school and gas in Alabama, and my parents 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:51.960 are no longer married. I wanted to close the chapter 0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:56.879 of the album making process by interviewing both of them 0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:02.279 and hopes that a I could really break down and 0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:05.560 get to the root and the origin generationally of how 0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:08.200 some of these traumas have been passed on to me, 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:13.680 because I do think that there's generational trauma as black 0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:19.120 people that you just inherent and I wanted to be 0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:20.080 kind of cleansed of. 0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:25.080 That in some kind of way. And if something made 0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:29.239 the record, then it did. But that was truly for me. 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:33.239 And one of the beautiful things about this album is 0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:36.440 that my father and I have had a very complicated 0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:42.640 relationship and we are so much closer and I was 0:51:42.760 --> 0:51:45.640 able to forgive him for a lot of things and 0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:50.960 understand him in an entirely new way. So although I 0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:55.320 had heard the stories before, it was something about having 0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:58.759 that formal moment of him getting to explicitly tell his 0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:03.720 story without all this background noise and have the focus 0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:07.200 be on him getting to be honest and have that moment. 0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:10.440 He deserved that and we I'm thirty years old and 0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:13.799 he's never really had the opportunity to. 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:16.680 Do that in that kind of a setting. And I 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:20.239 think that it was just so powerful. There's so much 0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:27.200 from his story that I couldn't even put on the record. Unbelievable, 0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:32.759 I know. I actually both of. 0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:35.640 My parents, like, I want to do something with that 0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:42.200 audio much bigger because I think that now, through me 0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:45.960 making this record and my sister making her last record, 0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:48.600 I think that people have come to have a better 0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:51.239 understanding of what kind of household we grew up in, 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:58.040 and the kind of values and just the environment that 0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:01.279 we were raised in. And I think that both of 0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:07.080 my parents have such interesting stories that are not, you know, 0:53:07.320 --> 0:53:08.360 unique to a lot of. 0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:09.839 Black folks parent. 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:10.759 Yeah, but not at all. 0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:15.800 Yeah, but I will say that there's something specifically about 0:53:15.920 --> 0:53:20.040 carrying the weight of integration that I hadn't thought of 0:53:20.200 --> 0:53:22.640 in that way, and that is very unique. 0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:25.440 Like you can't not many people can say that their 0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:26.799 parents integrated. 0:53:26.920 --> 0:53:27.480 But we're the. 0:53:27.560 --> 0:53:30.520 Last, well not really you, but you're probably more your sister, 0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:32.719 but that's we're the last generation of parents who have 0:53:32.800 --> 0:53:35.040 experienced that. I mean, most of our parents were of 0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:37.239 a certain age in nineteen sixty five when they were 0:53:37.280 --> 0:53:39.960 able to vote. But it's funny because listening to those 0:53:40.000 --> 0:53:42.040 interviews it made me happy. I actually listened to my 0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:43.839 mom with my mom and I was like, oh my god, Mom, 0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:46.440 I'm so happy because people get to see the foundation 0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:48.920 of which you two come from. And for a lot 0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:51.799 of black people, especially a lot of black women, it's 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:53.879 just a level of even more comfortability. 0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:55.920 Of course, it also made me worry. 0:53:56.239 --> 0:53:59.080 Yeah, because I was like, you, part of your life 0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:02.840 is in a pop world and I don't. 0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:07.920 Know, just even even with a little bit of I 0:54:08.080 --> 0:54:10.080 was like I was and I was like, oh, here 0:54:10.120 --> 0:54:17.560 comes to Launch, here comes Tina. It's real, it's really 0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:18.240 not a secret. 0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:21.040 They're black, and they're they're black. It's just like a 0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:23.719 lot of other people's black. And four minute I did have. 0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:24.680 A little worry. 0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:30.440 Yeah, yeah, now that the Anelus were really they were 0:54:30.560 --> 0:54:36.280 really powerful, and I think that just having that documentation, 0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:39.960 I honestly just feel like it's something that everyone should do, 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:46.840 Like everyone should have that of their parents that some 0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:50.160 kind of documentation of the storytelling. I understand them so 0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:53.640 much better, and I honestly feel like I will be 0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:57.719 a better, better person and a better. 0:54:57.760 --> 0:54:58.560 Parent for it. 0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:02.880 Like just certain things that my dad was telling me 0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:06.240 that that I had not heard before, like the electric 0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:13.720 prodding that he was electric product. Maybe two or three occasions. 0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:18.759 I didn't understand how much of a participant that my 0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:19.480 dad was. 0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:26.719 In terms of the civil rights movement in Gaston, Alabama. Yeah, 0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:27.400 he was. 0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:34.920 He was a classmate of CORRETTA. Scott's and he was 0:55:35.000 --> 0:55:37.640 a freedom fighter. He did sittings And. 0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:38.839 Did Daddy look young? 0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:42.160 Because I went up, Wow, So I learned. I learned 0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:43.520 all of that. I didn't know that. 0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:49.120 And it was really interesting because my dad, he had 0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:55.600 a full scholarship and to uh Tennessee for basketball, and 0:55:55.719 --> 0:56:00.520 he spoke about how he didn't actually love that basketball, 0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:05.920 but he used it as a defense to basically have 0:56:06.200 --> 0:56:11.279 safety from racism because then people were able to like 0:56:11.440 --> 0:56:15.360 him and accept him and protect him from all of 0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:20.200 the fuckery that was happening. And it carried him through 0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:23.960 high school and kind of gave him a safety net 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:26.640 from all of the violence that was happening. 0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:35.160 Got a full scholarship and played Fisk. There was a 0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:39.279 huge riot because he was. 0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:44.160 A black kid on this college team, which that was 0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:49.560 also the very early stages of that happening. And there 0:56:49.680 --> 0:56:53.400 was a huge fight between the two schools and people 0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:56.560 you know, were flipping cars and they got really violent 0:56:56.760 --> 0:56:59.840 and really crazy, and he bore the weight of that 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:01.920 because black people were mad at him. 0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:04.959 They were calling him a trader. You know, how could 0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:07.840 you and you uncle Tom and all of that. 0:57:09.160 --> 0:57:13.920 And there was a coach from Fisk who said, listen, like, 0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:17.600 we know you have this full scholarship and that you said. 0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:20.520 And at this point, my dad had been in predominantly 0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:25.400 white schools for you know, fifteen years. That's who he 0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:31.800 was around all the time. And they offered him a 0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:37.120 scholarship to Fisk, and everyone thought he was absolutely crazy. 0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:43.640 And he left Tennessee and State and went to Fisk. 0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:47.720 And when he went there, he thought like, I'm about 0:57:47.760 --> 0:57:51.040 to be bawling and fly. And it actually was super 0:57:51.280 --> 0:57:55.080 corny at the time to be an athlete, and it 0:57:55.240 --> 0:57:58.560 was much cooler to be an intellectual and be on 0:57:58.640 --> 0:58:04.360 the debate team and to uh, you know, be stylish 0:58:04.840 --> 0:58:10.800 and you know, just be smart, and that was his 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:16.000 first black experience was that it was awesome to be smart, 0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:21.160 and so he really was a nerd. My dad really 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:23.640 was a nerse. So he was just like super stoked. 0:58:24.440 --> 0:58:28.360 So just hearing all of that, like that's the ship 0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:31.120 that you never hear about, Like I never knew that 0:58:32.680 --> 0:58:36.120 during that time that that was considered more cool, you know, 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:39.840 like you don't hear that story. So it was just 0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:42.120 a lot that came out of it that really really 0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:45.520 empowered me through the making of this record. 0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:53.160 We're here with salone in studios, Yes. 0:58:55.480 --> 0:59:00.080 And my album by the way, I turned in in 0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:03.080 my album, I played it for the label here only 0:59:04.080 --> 0:59:06.360 I don't know two months three months ago. 0:59:06.680 --> 0:59:06.960 Wow. 0:59:07.360 --> 0:59:10.960 Yeah, So the engineer who was walking around, I remember 0:59:11.040 --> 0:59:16.720 him from that day. But imagine, yeah, imagine now like 0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:19.920 me having to play this for you know, my white 0:59:20.120 --> 0:59:21.320 record label heads. 0:59:21.720 --> 0:59:23.880 Yeah, when when Don't Touch My Hair came on? What 0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:24.680 did they what did they do? 0:59:25.560 --> 0:59:27.600 Because you know, I gotta tell you for that record 0:59:27.960 --> 0:59:30.240 with such a because a lot of us, I'm not 0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:32.280 gonna say, bring it up so. 0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:33.080 Long, don't you understand. 0:59:33.120 --> 0:59:36.040 While I'm a little befuddled, because it's something that we 0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:38.400 go through all the time. And to be able to 0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:42.160 the way that you said it in such a calm way, 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:44.080 and then to watch what you say to me. But 0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:46.120 it was still like smooth. But in my mind I 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:48.440 translated it what you say to me. You know what 0:59:48.520 --> 0:59:51.880 I mean, don't touch my hair. But can you walk 0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:55.040 us through this song and why you chose to do it, 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:56.480 and you chose to do it on Saturday Night Live, 0:59:56.520 --> 0:59:57.920 which was really brave and I appreciate it. 0:59:58.160 --> 0:59:58.880 Oh, thank you. 1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:01.480 You know. 1:00:01.960 --> 1:00:07.560 I had a jam session or a week of jam 1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:11.280 sessions when I first started to write the album, and 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:13.240 for whatever reason. 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:17.720 I just sang one day, don't touch my head. 1:00:19.160 --> 1:00:24.880 Don't know why, I just said it, and probably wrote 1:00:24.960 --> 1:00:27.840 that song in like ten fifteen minutes. 1:00:28.000 --> 1:00:28.720 I think it was so. 1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:33.280 Potent at the time, and it was less about, you know, 1:00:33.440 --> 1:00:39.040 the actual physical touching of the hair and more about 1:00:39.760 --> 1:00:46.040 the allowance to have our safe spaces, our cultural you know, 1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:53.320 things that we celebrate, our pride, our glory, and sang 1:00:53.720 --> 1:00:55.200 like don't touch that. 1:00:55.720 --> 1:00:58.320 Don't come for me. Let us have this moment, let 1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:02.800 us revel in this culture that we have built from 1:01:02.920 --> 1:01:06.480 nowhere and still have to protect on a daily basis. 1:01:06.680 --> 1:01:08.440 Because in my minds too, And. 1:01:08.600 --> 1:01:10.919 In that metaphor, you're like because every day we see 1:01:10.920 --> 1:01:13.960 it being taken from us. And so in that moment, 1:01:14.000 --> 1:01:15.560 because I knew what you meant, I knew it wasn't 1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:17.520 just a physical don't touch my hair, but which. 1:01:17.400 --> 1:01:20.240 Is annoying, right, it's all don't. 1:01:20.120 --> 1:01:22.840 Touch my hair, don't touch my culture, don't touch let me. 1:01:22.920 --> 1:01:23.440 Can I have this? 1:01:23.880 --> 1:01:25.720 Can I have my corn rolls and not. 1:01:25.760 --> 1:01:26.800 My box breaks experience? 1:01:27.040 --> 1:01:28.360 It's just can I ask? 1:01:28.480 --> 1:01:37.280 And this is not a okay, you're already unfull, like 1:01:37.480 --> 1:01:38.800 you already. 1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:45.080 Like off, like I'm just all the chicks who loved 1:01:45.120 --> 1:01:47.600 this record, okay, and thank you. 1:01:48.200 --> 1:01:53.560 I want to ask a question. Is it possible two 1:01:54.480 --> 1:02:01.280 in the age of the internet kind of of deluding 1:02:02.360 --> 1:02:08.240 regionalism and culture at the same time. Is it possible 1:02:08.440 --> 1:02:16.720 for culture practices to not be appropriated when the internet makes. 1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:19.640 It too easy for you to have access to it. 1:02:20.240 --> 1:02:22.920 I don't think it's well. I think it's just all 1:02:23.000 --> 1:02:24.680 in how you do it, you know what I'm saying. 1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:26.800 I think if you do it like in a tasteful way, 1:02:27.480 --> 1:02:28.960 then I don't think nobody getting mad at you. 1:02:28.960 --> 1:02:30.680 Just don't act like it's yours. And you created it. 1:02:30.720 --> 1:02:32.480 I'm sorry, I didn't mean, but that's always been my 1:02:33.880 --> 1:02:34.080 or like. 1:02:34.080 --> 1:02:35.640 When they try to like what you said, I mean 1:02:35.680 --> 1:02:38.000 with the corn rolls and like they were like Caitlyn 1:02:38.080 --> 1:02:44.080 Jenner's and not Caitlyn the other one Incredible, Kylie's new 1:02:44.160 --> 1:02:48.040 incredible news, like doing that. 1:02:57.080 --> 1:02:59.840 Shout out. Appreciate that. 1:03:03.000 --> 1:03:07.840 Appropriation is such a complicated conversation and it's really hard 1:03:08.520 --> 1:03:09.360 to simplify. 1:03:10.280 --> 1:03:13.760 But but it's rarely a conversation because because I only 1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:18.920 see it on I see it as rest on Twitter, right, 1:03:19.080 --> 1:03:21.480 but I never hear the conversation of it. Part of 1:03:21.560 --> 1:03:25.760 my dismay or what Twitter has taught me at least, Wow, 1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:35.960 what is what Twitter has taught me? Exclusive? The general 1:03:36.080 --> 1:03:40.400 belief is that basically, you know, the idea that black 1:03:40.480 --> 1:03:45.520 culture there's a there's a difference between loving black culture 1:03:45.600 --> 1:03:50.040 but not black white people. So usually, especially with the 1:03:50.120 --> 1:03:56.400 onslaught of the police activity, the police assassinations that have 1:03:56.480 --> 1:04:01.560 been going on in twenty sixteen, you know, the sudden 1:04:01.640 --> 1:04:06.520 silence that you see some of our appropriators that are 1:04:06.560 --> 1:04:08.880 speaking that you know won't speak up for us, but 1:04:09.080 --> 1:04:18.800 we'll still you know, right, Yeah, and so well, yeah, 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:22.760 to explain the bill and to Steve here, a lot 1:04:22.840 --> 1:04:27.640 of the a lot of the seeds of dismay and 1:04:27.760 --> 1:04:32.480 anger lie in the fact that you have artists that 1:04:32.640 --> 1:04:39.840 are quick to you know, borrow you the fashion uh 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:43.600 and and the language and the dances and the music 1:04:43.920 --> 1:04:47.800 and the inspirations and the swag and the lifestyle. But 1:04:48.200 --> 1:04:52.600 when it comes to us as human beings again, it's 1:04:52.720 --> 1:04:57.760 like black people are rarely seen as human beings. Like 1:04:57.920 --> 1:05:02.640 even listening to like from what we generally hear about 1:05:02.680 --> 1:05:04.360 your father and just seeing him in the news, I 1:05:04.520 --> 1:05:09.400 just seeing him as an overprotective, you know, guy in 1:05:09.520 --> 1:05:13.280 the background that caused all the shots, and I'd like 1:05:14.240 --> 1:05:18.000 this this, yeah, this is humanizing. Yeah, now I want 1:05:18.040 --> 1:05:20.560 to know more about Matthew knows that I never knew about. 1:05:21.360 --> 1:05:23.720 My dad's story is really powerful. 1:05:24.040 --> 1:05:27.280 Yeah, when you said it was difficult with you guys before, Like, 1:05:27.400 --> 1:05:30.240 what what made it difficult with your relationship or complicated? 1:05:30.480 --> 1:05:30.960 That was your word. 1:05:31.560 --> 1:05:34.120 I just think that, honestly, the weight that you have 1:05:34.280 --> 1:05:37.320 to carry as a black man, especially coming up in 1:05:37.480 --> 1:05:40.480 that time, there are just things that I can never 1:05:40.720 --> 1:05:44.560 understand how that tolls on you emotionally and your decision 1:05:44.640 --> 1:05:49.040 making and not being able to have an outlet to 1:05:49.200 --> 1:05:53.600 really say I'm flawed, you know, I made mistakes because 1:05:53.960 --> 1:05:57.560 you've had to be black excellent your whole life, and 1:05:57.800 --> 1:06:01.400 he had to be black excellent in order to give 1:06:01.520 --> 1:06:04.400 what he gave to my sister and I And so 1:06:05.360 --> 1:06:07.720 I think that that's a heavy burden to carry. I 1:06:07.800 --> 1:06:12.040 think that this album was as much of a tribute 1:06:12.200 --> 1:06:16.280 to my parents and my grandparents and my ancestors and 1:06:16.400 --> 1:06:20.200 my lineage of everyone who played a role in the 1:06:20.320 --> 1:06:21.800 privilege that I have today. 1:06:22.080 --> 1:06:25.920 And I don't take that for granted, you know, I know. 1:06:27.600 --> 1:06:31.200 Now, I'm very clear on all of the steps that 1:06:31.560 --> 1:06:35.440 my parents took for us to be who we are. 1:06:35.600 --> 1:06:38.120 When I say who we are, I mean as humans, 1:06:38.320 --> 1:06:41.800 as women, as Black women, as mothers. 1:06:41.520 --> 1:06:47.680 As wives. And I think that he was, you know, 1:06:48.240 --> 1:06:49.680 sort of a chosen one. 1:06:49.880 --> 1:06:53.720 And I do my little quote hands there because I 1:06:53.840 --> 1:06:59.000 think that in black communities, especially in that day and age, 1:06:59.520 --> 1:07:03.720 there is a little bit of a chosen one complex 1:07:04.800 --> 1:07:10.240 in terms of like, oh, you're a smarter black little nigga, 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:15.280 or like, you know, you're one of the really intelligent ones, 1:07:15.320 --> 1:07:21.240 are articulate, Yeah, you're you're the exception. 1:07:21.320 --> 1:07:22.040 And I think that. 1:07:23.720 --> 1:07:29.880 Him being chosen to be integrated. My my grandparents were very, 1:07:30.080 --> 1:07:34.920 very poor. They did not have even high school education, 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:41.400 and my dad was just they were very. 1:07:41.400 --> 1:07:45.160 Smart, but they were not educated at all. 1:07:45.920 --> 1:07:49.040 And so for him to have gone through that journey 1:07:49.400 --> 1:07:52.000 as like sort of this chosen one and it just 1:07:52.200 --> 1:07:56.640 continued from the every phase in his life essentially from 1:07:56.720 --> 1:07:58.480 elementary school on up. 1:07:58.720 --> 1:08:00.840 Did you have siblings or is he the only child? 1:08:01.200 --> 1:08:08.600 So he had fourteen foster sisters, brothers, but he was 1:08:08.720 --> 1:08:12.720 the only biological child of my grandparents. 1:08:14.360 --> 1:08:24.280 It's such as now and he has he has my 1:08:24.439 --> 1:08:32.559 half sister, my aunt Shaquita, and that is his mom's 1:08:32.680 --> 1:08:35.000 daughter from another relationship. 1:08:35.280 --> 1:08:43.360 We're just I can't that Jesus, okay, But yeah. 1:08:43.240 --> 1:08:44.200 It's it's loaded. 1:08:44.280 --> 1:08:47.800 And I remember going, you know, two gass and and 1:08:47.960 --> 1:08:51.880 like my grandparents still having an outhouse and I seventeen, 1:08:52.200 --> 1:08:54.320 the outhouse of the bathroom and my sister and I 1:08:54.360 --> 1:09:01.640 would be like this is some fun shah. 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:01.719 Gross and crazy. 1:09:01.880 --> 1:09:07.360 But honestly, my my dad's side of the family was 1:09:07.520 --> 1:09:10.920 so ged up. Like my grandmother was a boot My 1:09:11.040 --> 1:09:16.080 great grandmother was a bootlegger, and she was like eighty 1:09:16.160 --> 1:09:20.160 years old, seventy five years old, still bootlegging alcohol. 1:09:21.400 --> 1:09:26.320 And she was like she was like the most un. 1:09:29.240 --> 1:09:33.000 Yeah, it worked out really well for her because she 1:09:33.320 --> 1:09:37.800 was like the little old lady. So she basically they 1:09:37.920 --> 1:09:41.759 owned a property next door and in the wee hours 1:09:41.880 --> 1:09:45.639 like she would basically, you know, have this little juke 1:09:45.760 --> 1:09:49.840 joint going and people would be like, who is running 1:09:49.920 --> 1:09:51.960 this and she would be complaining, like it's. 1:09:51.960 --> 1:09:54.920 Keeping Holland and I'm seventy eight years old and they keep. 1:09:57.880 --> 1:10:01.760 So that was that, and then my great grandfather on 1:10:01.880 --> 1:10:05.920 that side, his name was Dave Hoak. He was one 1:10:06.000 --> 1:10:09.679 of the first black men to own that amount of land, 1:10:10.080 --> 1:10:12.840 and he actually was so smart. He didn't have enough 1:10:13.000 --> 1:10:18.880 money to turn the land into farmland because that would 1:10:18.960 --> 1:10:24.200 have meant him having you know, lumber chopped down and 1:10:24.880 --> 1:10:27.600 he didn't have the money the cash flow to do that, 1:10:28.200 --> 1:10:30.200 but he had the land, so he struck up a 1:10:30.320 --> 1:10:34.840 deal with the city that and charged them, of course, 1:10:35.200 --> 1:10:39.200 that they could you know, come and use his land 1:10:39.280 --> 1:10:44.800 as lumber. Yes, So that basically they cleared out his shit, 1:10:44.920 --> 1:10:46.160 but he also got a check. 1:10:46.960 --> 1:10:49.599 So they were incredibly smart. 1:10:49.680 --> 1:10:53.960 They were not educated, but they were really really smart 1:10:54.040 --> 1:10:58.679 business people and entrepreneurs, and so I think to answer 1:10:58.760 --> 1:11:00.760 your question because I just went all around the block 1:11:00.800 --> 1:11:01.680 and back, I. 1:11:01.800 --> 1:11:06.000 Just think that he had a very heavy burden to wait. 1:11:06.360 --> 1:11:13.920 And to hold, and especially my sister's group when they 1:11:13.960 --> 1:11:20.639 were like thirteen fourteen, their manager passed away from Lupus 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:26.080 and Tillman and they had just gotten an offer from 1:11:27.080 --> 1:11:33.320 the face actually, and she passed away really tragically, and 1:11:34.400 --> 1:11:38.599 my dad stepped in and was like, well, someone has 1:11:38.680 --> 1:11:41.000 to step in, like this offer is on the table 1:11:41.120 --> 1:11:44.320 their kids, and she was doing all of the paperwork, 1:11:45.080 --> 1:11:48.320 and he literally just went to the library and bought 1:11:48.439 --> 1:11:52.400 every book that he could find on the music business. 1:11:52.520 --> 1:11:53.920 He had no experience. 1:11:54.000 --> 1:12:01.400 He was vice president regionally of Xerox in the Southern region, 1:12:02.040 --> 1:12:06.160 so he's an incredibly you know, gifted businessman, but he 1:12:06.520 --> 1:12:10.080 basically knew nothing about the music industry and he had 1:12:10.160 --> 1:12:12.160 to step up to the plate and make sure that 1:12:12.600 --> 1:12:16.040 no one was going to screw these fourteen year old girls. 1:12:16.720 --> 1:12:19.960 But that's not the narrative that everyone has, you know, 1:12:20.280 --> 1:12:22.840 been so he could have sworn he was Joe Jackson and. 1:12:25.360 --> 1:12:28.599 We had Alan Lee's here and Shep Gordon and listening 1:12:28.680 --> 1:12:31.439 to how they became managers with so more matter of 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:33.880 facty like they didn't. It was no studying involved, It 1:12:33.920 --> 1:12:36.160 was no going to the library. It was like Jimmy 1:12:36.200 --> 1:12:38.400 Hendrick said, you're Jewish, you should be a manager. 1:12:38.640 --> 1:12:42.080 Wow, no struggle a little different. 1:12:41.960 --> 1:12:46.200 Yeah, yeah, And he basically applied all of the knowledge 1:12:46.240 --> 1:12:50.880 that he knew from Corporate America in terms of negotiations. 1:12:51.600 --> 1:12:56.240 My dad Rax, the department that he actually led. A 1:12:56.320 --> 1:12:57.200 lot of people don't know this. 1:12:57.640 --> 1:13:00.720 X RAX is the leading manufacturers for X rays and 1:13:00.920 --> 1:13:04.519 MRIs and medical equipment, and so it was his job 1:13:04.600 --> 1:13:10.160 to basically go to hospitals and sell this super expensive. 1:13:09.479 --> 1:13:12.559 State of the art medical equipment. 1:13:12.880 --> 1:13:17.200 And he basically just utilized all of those skills you know, 1:13:17.439 --> 1:13:20.760 in the music industry. And I just think, you know, 1:13:20.920 --> 1:13:25.799 he had a lot of pressure, and knowing his story 1:13:25.960 --> 1:13:29.479 and having the space for him to be allowed to 1:13:29.640 --> 1:13:33.479 tell that explicitly, it really really changed the dynamic of 1:13:33.560 --> 1:13:34.440 our relationships. 1:13:34.560 --> 1:13:36.320 And I'm really really grateful for that. 1:13:36.920 --> 1:13:43.080 Okay. I know, like we kind of the modus operandi 1:13:43.160 --> 1:13:45.519 of the show is to really dissect the music and 1:13:45.600 --> 1:13:49.080 the art and everything. So this is probably the first 1:13:49.840 --> 1:13:53.240 time we've ever dealt with social issues on the show. 1:13:53.640 --> 1:13:58.320 But my god, damn it, I just had therapy in here. 1:14:01.760 --> 1:14:05.320 Every week. I would be remiss. I would be remiss 1:14:05.479 --> 1:14:11.360 if I didn't mention, uh, the Lil Wayne incident, not 1:14:11.520 --> 1:14:17.280 to be confused with the craft work incidents. But I 1:14:17.360 --> 1:14:19.559 guess I should let the listeners know that there's kind 1:14:19.600 --> 1:14:22.160 of been grumbling in debates on the room on how 1:14:23.200 --> 1:14:29.200 I guess brother Tip t I has decided to handle 1:14:29.439 --> 1:14:33.559 his chastising of Lil Wayne. I guess Bill and. 1:14:33.800 --> 1:14:34.280 And and. 1:14:39.240 --> 1:14:40.760 Okay, the little Wayne. 1:14:40.760 --> 1:14:43.680 Okay, I'll be I'll be Lil Wayne, or maybe you 1:14:43.680 --> 1:14:45.719 should be t I because you have the more stately voice. 1:14:47.840 --> 1:14:51.800 Maybe I'll be I'll be Wayne. I'm a young, rich mother, 1:14:53.120 --> 1:14:55.559 young I know black lives matter. I'm a nigga. 1:14:56.200 --> 1:14:58.960 He a white man. He feeling me my life matter, 1:14:59.560 --> 1:15:00.599 especially my bitches. 1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:07.720 So that's a little way, especially especially to my life matter, 1:15:07.840 --> 1:15:08.840 especially to my bitches. 1:15:10.400 --> 1:15:10.559 MS. 1:15:11.000 --> 1:15:14.360 She didn't play that part. It's online, It's it's on Twitter. 1:15:14.760 --> 1:15:17.360 You add this to the things you learned from Twitter. Wow, 1:15:18.000 --> 1:15:20.160 his life matters, especially to his bitches, which I think 1:15:20.280 --> 1:15:21.479 is a motivational statement. 1:15:21.840 --> 1:15:26.240 Can I make a shirt? I think that's wait a minute, 1:15:26.280 --> 1:15:28.760 this is about to take a whole another turn. I 1:15:28.840 --> 1:15:32.439 didn't know that statement. To my bitches, let me be 1:15:32.479 --> 1:15:33.720 particular about this, Fiel. 1:15:33.760 --> 1:15:35.640 Did you find you ready for your part with t I? 1:15:36.479 --> 1:15:36.639 Why? 1:15:38.560 --> 1:15:41.560 But then so then U t I got on Instagram 1:15:42.160 --> 1:15:45.240 and like he you know, I guess he had you know, 1:15:45.360 --> 1:15:47.000 dictionary dot com over. 1:15:48.520 --> 1:15:59.120 Time out wait for the record, like we're sparky, We're sparky. 1:15:59.160 --> 1:16:06.439 And we talked about this last night, and well, I 1:16:06.520 --> 1:16:14.960 commended him on handling it, okay, was like to stop 1:16:15.040 --> 1:16:21.599 cooning and basically was like, but it's a first. It's 1:16:21.600 --> 1:16:22.000 a first. 1:16:22.120 --> 1:16:22.800 I have to say. 1:16:22.880 --> 1:16:27.720 I really appreciate what t I has done, the work 1:16:27.800 --> 1:16:30.559 that he's done for the movement, you know. 1:16:31.040 --> 1:16:34.800 Over the course of these this last year. 1:16:34.960 --> 1:16:37.600 Really, I think it takes a lot of bravery to 1:16:37.720 --> 1:16:41.640 step up and actually try to walk and live in 1:16:41.800 --> 1:16:44.840 that truth outside of just making art about it. 1:16:45.080 --> 1:16:49.880 You know, he's saying that he because he has children, hm, 1:16:50.400 --> 1:16:55.200 that he sees life different now than say, eleven years ago, 1:16:55.280 --> 1:16:57.560 when he was mired in a lot of trouble on controversy. 1:16:57.640 --> 1:17:01.120 You know, it's like he was about that life quote. 1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:04.800 But I guess the grumbling in the room was whether 1:17:04.880 --> 1:17:10.640 or not he should have sund him in public or 1:17:11.520 --> 1:17:12.280 have a conversation. 1:17:12.560 --> 1:17:16.680 Maybe he did both and maybe he felt like he 1:17:16.800 --> 1:17:18.840 had a responsibility to. 1:17:19.400 --> 1:17:21.320 Yeah, I don't think the sunning was self serving like 1:17:21.400 --> 1:17:24.560 some people's son just to be self serving, as in 1:17:25.640 --> 1:17:27.960 to be like yo yo, that nigga woke like you 1:17:28.040 --> 1:17:30.320 see what he did? You see? And that's and that's 1:17:30.400 --> 1:17:31.280 kind of where I'm at with it. 1:17:31.360 --> 1:17:34.800 I feel like on like Twitter, Instagram, everybody's competing for 1:17:34.920 --> 1:17:36.800 woke points and ship, you know what I mean. And 1:17:36.920 --> 1:17:39.519 so for me, my thing is like I feel like 1:17:39.560 --> 1:17:41.519 everything that t I said in was valid, But I'm 1:17:41.560 --> 1:17:44.040 just at a point with me now where it's like, 1:17:44.160 --> 1:17:46.800 I'm very careful about the way we talk to each 1:17:46.840 --> 1:17:48.760 other in front of white people, you know. 1:17:48.760 --> 1:17:51.160 What I'm saying. Always been that way though, except for 1:17:51.400 --> 1:17:52.160 this radio show. 1:17:55.960 --> 1:17:56.320 How does that? 1:17:56.520 --> 1:17:57.360 What does that sound like? 1:17:59.400 --> 1:18:01.960 People don't even know about this general rule amongst black people. 1:18:03.080 --> 1:18:09.479 This last time, the last time that someone was on 1:18:09.640 --> 1:18:14.040 this level was caros One and Prince B. And we 1:18:14.520 --> 1:18:19.480 know how that after that confrontation that the PC. 1:18:19.880 --> 1:18:22.400 Better give us a circle after nineteen ninety. 1:18:22.240 --> 1:18:29.640 Oh, don't act like you you don't remember that, right. No, 1:18:29.760 --> 1:18:32.120 Prince Be in an interview said he's a teacher, but 1:18:32.240 --> 1:18:34.040 what kind of teacher is a teacher? Of what? He? 1:18:34.160 --> 1:18:37.960 In Details? It was so okay in Details magazine. Uh, 1:18:39.000 --> 1:18:44.400 he was basically saying that a lot of message teacher rappers. 1:18:44.680 --> 1:18:48.760 He was referring to Chuck Dye and Caris one, we're 1:18:48.800 --> 1:18:52.519 making mountains out of mohills and you know basically that 1:18:52.800 --> 1:18:58.120 we are hypocrites. And uh actually, later in line of 1:18:58.200 --> 1:19:00.840 Prince B's death, I think a lot of us when 1:19:00.880 --> 1:19:03.360 we saw the source. You remember, like the source on 1:19:03.439 --> 1:19:05.679 the last page you used to have that cartoon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:19:06.560 --> 1:19:09.320 we're talking right. So there's there's an illustration of karas 1:19:09.400 --> 1:19:13.840 One grabbing grabbing the stage and and later I found 1:19:13.920 --> 1:19:18.759 out and actually uh later verified through uh T Bunny 1:19:18.800 --> 1:19:22.519 whose birthday party it was tea money formally on TV 1:19:22.680 --> 1:19:27.720 raps and original concept on Deft Jam Records that it 1:19:27.960 --> 1:19:30.479 wasn't that level of like him getting kicked off the 1:19:30.479 --> 1:19:34.519 stage and throwing off. It was kind of like, okay, 1:19:34.560 --> 1:19:38.360 it was maybe a lighthearted coudeta like they just took 1:19:38.479 --> 1:19:41.519 over the stage and performed and Pmdring just exited stage 1:19:41.560 --> 1:19:44.280 left So that's that's one thing that happened. Like it 1:19:44.439 --> 1:19:47.160 is this pre like Instagram and Snapchat when it was 1:19:47.280 --> 1:19:50.839 could be verified, right, so you could tell tall tales 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:53.320 and right, but the urban legend of the stories that 1:19:53.520 --> 1:19:57.960 Kris One and his anger came and just dropped kick 1:20:00.520 --> 1:20:02.200 I mean, Prince VI, it was like three hundred and 1:20:02.760 --> 1:20:07.320 seventy trillion pounds bigger than me. My whole point is 1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:13.840 that after that period of or at least the you know, 1:20:14.040 --> 1:20:16.920 the idea of you could lose your career if you 1:20:17.120 --> 1:20:22.360 criticize somebody publicly and may respond to you, I felt 1:20:22.400 --> 1:20:27.400 that we lost something because after that incident, every person 1:20:27.720 --> 1:20:32.719 that would otherwise have an opinion or two cents about 1:20:32.760 --> 1:20:36.519 what he feels about another rapper, Uh, that just got 1:20:36.560 --> 1:20:40.320 squashed because no one wanted to risk the public humiliation 1:20:40.680 --> 1:20:43.559 of the retaliation of Oh, you're going to share your 1:20:43.600 --> 1:20:45.320 two cents about me, Yeah, I'm gonna see you at 1:20:45.360 --> 1:20:48.639 blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah. The confrontation basically stops 1:20:48.680 --> 1:20:51.760 since nineteen ninety three. So I just felt that was 1:20:51.880 --> 1:20:56.000 necessary one because that is the first time that that 1:20:56.280 --> 1:21:00.880 level of public criticism has happened, and in general, yeah, 1:21:00.880 --> 1:21:03.519 I mean, dude, I mean Wayne is Wayne's family, Like 1:21:03.680 --> 1:21:06.040 I'm about to work with him in a month and 1:21:06.080 --> 1:21:09.240 a half or so. My point is that I just 1:21:09.360 --> 1:21:13.280 feel as though, maybe now once we start confronting each 1:21:13.320 --> 1:21:17.800 other and those that know better, right do better, and 1:21:17.920 --> 1:21:20.439 those that should know better, I feel, yeah, I feel 1:21:20.439 --> 1:21:23.360 as though even if Wayne doesn't know better, I would 1:21:23.600 --> 1:21:26.960 like to think that now he might surround himself. 1:21:30.560 --> 1:21:31.960 Like, let's be real, he is who he is, and 1:21:32.080 --> 1:21:33.680 especially at the age it's hard enough to get a 1:21:33.680 --> 1:21:35.639 regular black man to change, but a rich black man 1:21:35.960 --> 1:21:37.439 does not know he is working. 1:21:37.520 --> 1:21:38.880 How did you feel like now that he's been on 1:21:38.960 --> 1:21:39.559 the Mad Song? 1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:44.000 I think that I feel really conflicted about the whole situation. 1:21:44.439 --> 1:21:50.040 I think that his verse, he's so yeah, and I 1:21:50.200 --> 1:21:55.479 think that, you know, he really was the perfect person 1:21:55.640 --> 1:21:58.639 to obviously speak to being mad. 1:21:58.920 --> 1:22:01.720 He does have a lot to be mad about. And 1:22:02.200 --> 1:22:03.400 I've been really conflicted. 1:22:03.520 --> 1:22:07.400 Do I have a responsibility as an artist and who 1:22:07.520 --> 1:22:11.120 I align myself? Do I take on their politics and 1:22:11.240 --> 1:22:15.320 their ideals just by creating with them? But ultimately the 1:22:15.400 --> 1:22:23.080 answer is no, I don't. I created a song and 1:22:23.200 --> 1:22:26.439 a message that was very clear. I think people are 1:22:26.680 --> 1:22:30.720 very clear on my stance and my politics, especially when 1:22:30.800 --> 1:22:36.320 it comes to black issues, and I would I would 1:22:36.400 --> 1:22:40.080 just uphold him to a responsibility, Like you said, now 1:22:40.280 --> 1:22:48.200 that you know you have children, My son is twelve 1:22:48.320 --> 1:22:52.960 years old, and he respects him as an artist. He's 1:22:53.000 --> 1:22:58.240 a fan, and I would like to see us uphold 1:22:58.840 --> 1:23:02.600 a certain level of responsibility for our children and the 1:23:02.760 --> 1:23:06.879 internalized messages that they're already having a fight so hard against. 1:23:07.400 --> 1:23:10.880 We don't need to be on the same team, you know, 1:23:11.120 --> 1:23:15.640 combating those messages in that way, like we gotta be 1:23:15.800 --> 1:23:16.800 more unified than that. 1:23:18.320 --> 1:23:21.360 This is me not playing Devil's advocate again, which I 1:23:21.400 --> 1:23:28.479 guess kind of means that. But based on the interview, 1:23:28.960 --> 1:23:32.400 which I still didn't hear that last statement, but I 1:23:32.600 --> 1:23:38.600 had the feeling that he literally did not know what 1:23:38.880 --> 1:23:40.720 she was talking and what Black Lives Matter was. 1:23:41.040 --> 1:23:43.920 Yeah, well, I think a lot of people are unclear 1:23:43.960 --> 1:23:47.439 on Black Lives Matter as an organization and an entity 1:23:47.720 --> 1:23:49.320 and the movement itself. 1:23:50.280 --> 1:23:54.840 But do you respond to the statement, the statement. 1:23:54.560 --> 1:23:59.519 Itself in that Black lives matters? There should not be 1:23:59.800 --> 1:24:05.479 in hesitation to, you know, just be able to say 1:24:05.560 --> 1:24:10.240 that and be proud and feel pride in that what 1:24:10.479 --> 1:24:11.360 is there to combat? 1:24:11.520 --> 1:24:16.759 But I don't think he literally I think he literally didn't. 1:24:17.280 --> 1:24:22.000 I don't know mad people in Brooklyn that are proud 1:24:22.200 --> 1:24:26.120 to not to not have a television. OK, right, So 1:24:26.280 --> 1:24:29.320 we take those people and then there's the uh oh, 1:24:29.439 --> 1:24:31.960 I can't watch the news because it's too it's too much. 1:24:32.040 --> 1:24:34.439 He has like six children who have homework. I'm not 1:24:34.680 --> 1:24:35.360 doing that with you. 1:24:35.600 --> 1:24:36.320 I see where you're going. 1:24:36.360 --> 1:24:38.479 But this is where I think it falls apart because 1:24:38.560 --> 1:24:41.720 he said because he starts off and he's like, well, nah, 1:24:41.800 --> 1:24:42.479 what is black man? 1:24:42.680 --> 1:24:44.880 What is that? But then he says, well, no, what 1:24:45.040 --> 1:24:49.320 it is it's actually police killing people. So he's aware 1:24:49.320 --> 1:24:51.040 of what it is, but he just doesn't agree with 1:24:51.120 --> 1:24:52.799 the way that the argument is being framed. 1:24:53.240 --> 1:24:55.840 So he's aware of what it is, but he's just saying, 1:24:56.320 --> 1:24:58.479 you know, that doesn't have anything to do with me, 1:24:58.640 --> 1:25:02.320 which I mean fairness. I think that's his reality, you 1:25:02.400 --> 1:25:04.800 know what I mean, Like, you know, if you ask 1:25:04.920 --> 1:25:08.080 for a lot of you know, rich black people. 1:25:08.360 --> 1:25:14.280 He's taking black Republican stance. I mean, dude, that's his reality. 1:25:14.400 --> 1:25:17.759 That's why again, back to our guest, back to Solange, 1:25:17.800 --> 1:25:20.639 why your album I think is resonating with so many people. 1:25:21.000 --> 1:25:23.439 It is because it its present and you have your 1:25:23.520 --> 1:25:27.920 finger on what everyone is talking about, Like just you know, you. 1:25:30.000 --> 1:25:33.000 D way better. This is lives matter. This is the 1:25:33.200 --> 1:25:35.760 blackest episode of Quizov Supreme to date. 1:25:37.720 --> 1:25:39.960 But No, your album, I think it really speaks to 1:25:40.080 --> 1:25:42.719 where people are feeling right now. And that's why it's resonating, 1:25:42.840 --> 1:25:45.880 because you know, even though with all your success, and 1:25:46.240 --> 1:25:48.799 you know, with your sister's success and you being involved 1:25:48.840 --> 1:25:52.040 in all these things, you're still just saying, like listen, 1:25:52.240 --> 1:25:55.040 all of that or this is my interpretation, you know, 1:25:55.479 --> 1:25:57.880 with all of this is whatever, I'm still a black 1:25:57.920 --> 1:26:01.120 woman in America and these white bitches still. 1:26:01.000 --> 1:26:03.320 Throwing lives at me. You know what I mean? You 1:26:03.400 --> 1:26:06.120 know what I'm saying. So it's you know, so I 1:26:06.479 --> 1:26:07.640 commend you for that. 1:26:08.120 --> 1:26:11.360 I really that really speaks like when you have people 1:26:11.439 --> 1:26:12.680 like a Wayne and not to beat up on him 1:26:12.680 --> 1:26:14.479 because I fuck with Wayne too, like that's my man. 1:26:14.560 --> 1:26:17.760 But but you know, there is a difference, and I 1:26:17.840 --> 1:26:20.479 think it shows that when people like you make a 1:26:20.520 --> 1:26:23.800 record like this, that makes it even harder for me 1:26:24.960 --> 1:26:28.240 to give cats like Wayne whoever pass It's like nah, bruh, like, 1:26:28.800 --> 1:26:29.800 if she know what's going on? 1:26:29.880 --> 1:26:32.559 How you don't know? You know what I mean, right? 1:26:32.680 --> 1:26:35.600 And I think we have a responsibility, especially in the 1:26:35.680 --> 1:26:39.439 places that we are in, to want to know and 1:26:39.560 --> 1:26:43.360 to have a yearning to understand. There's still so much 1:26:43.439 --> 1:26:46.280 that I'm learning that I'm not privy to about other 1:26:46.400 --> 1:26:51.480 cultures and sexualities that you have to go and google. 1:26:51.479 --> 1:26:52.559 And learn your shit. 1:26:52.680 --> 1:26:57.000 You have to have a yearning to want to treat 1:26:57.120 --> 1:26:59.920 people in the way that they deserve to be treated 1:27:00.120 --> 1:27:04.960 and to have empathy and humanity. And no one expects 1:27:05.040 --> 1:27:08.639 everyone to know everything and to just have a plethora 1:27:09.000 --> 1:27:11.479 of knowledge, you know, sitting there, But you have to 1:27:11.720 --> 1:27:15.920 want to know and to take on that responsibility to 1:27:16.120 --> 1:27:17.080 expand yourself. 1:27:17.320 --> 1:27:20.559 And I think that as artists, if. 1:27:20.439 --> 1:27:23.439 You move all the other stuff aside, I would just 1:27:23.600 --> 1:27:25.479 hope that as artists that we're. 1:27:25.360 --> 1:27:28.280 All doing that so that we can become better artists. 1:27:29.400 --> 1:27:34.600 And you know, I think that that's a really important 1:27:34.640 --> 1:27:38.320 thing to just want to evolve and grow in yourself 1:27:38.439 --> 1:27:41.599 so that you also are doing that in your artistry 1:27:42.080 --> 1:27:45.800 so that it inspires people and people are able to 1:27:45.840 --> 1:27:46.560 build off of that. 1:27:47.000 --> 1:27:49.920 So I think that that was kind of my stance 1:27:50.000 --> 1:27:50.200 on that. 1:27:50.880 --> 1:27:54.040 Just one lyric that I always wanted to ask you 1:27:54.080 --> 1:27:57.040 about it was it was a It was a Beyonce 1:27:57.200 --> 1:28:01.479 lyric where she says and pardon me, butcher, but you're saying, 1:28:01.520 --> 1:28:04.040 you know, my my sister taught me to speak my mind. 1:28:04.360 --> 1:28:04.840 If I'm. 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:12.760 Okay, I got it? Where what explain that? Like, what 1:28:13.040 --> 1:28:15.559 influence did you play or do you do you think 1:28:15.600 --> 1:28:16.960 you played on her in that way? 1:28:17.479 --> 1:28:19.479 I don't know. 1:28:19.800 --> 1:28:22.320 I didn't know that that lyric was going to come out, 1:28:22.439 --> 1:28:25.960 so I was just as suc surprised as everybody else. 1:28:26.960 --> 1:28:30.799 But I think that our relationship is really cool because 1:28:31.880 --> 1:28:35.919 since we've been younger, we've both been very very protective 1:28:36.000 --> 1:28:38.920 of each other, and we both have pushed each other 1:28:39.160 --> 1:28:43.160 in the boundaries and our ways of communicating through just 1:28:43.360 --> 1:28:48.800 humans and women, but also as artists. And I think 1:28:48.920 --> 1:28:53.160 everyone who's around me, friends, family, my son, his friends. 1:28:53.560 --> 1:28:57.800 I'm a huge, you know, advocate for people getting to 1:28:57.960 --> 1:28:59.679 live in their honesty and their truth. 1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:01.560 I think we all deserve that. 1:29:01.800 --> 1:29:06.800 And even when I think back to my SNL performance, 1:29:07.080 --> 1:29:12.040 like you know, just the feeling of being able to 1:29:12.240 --> 1:29:15.880 say that everything that we do as humans is not 1:29:16.040 --> 1:29:18.799 going to be perfect, and it's going to be flawed 1:29:19.000 --> 1:29:22.800 and to be able to own those imperfections and speak 1:29:22.920 --> 1:29:26.240 up on them and not feel hindered. 1:29:26.080 --> 1:29:27.160 Or you know. 1:29:29.360 --> 1:29:34.960 That I would like to think that maybe you know, 1:29:35.320 --> 1:29:38.960 just as family, that I have played a role and 1:29:39.439 --> 1:29:43.960 also constantly telling her that as well, you know, just 1:29:44.680 --> 1:29:48.000 I tell all of my especially my black women friends, 1:29:48.120 --> 1:29:54.080 like we have to operate in the world so heavily 1:29:54.400 --> 1:29:57.320 and carrying so much weight on a daily basis, the 1:29:57.439 --> 1:30:00.920 black woman in America, and I think that we're not 1:30:01.240 --> 1:30:05.880 told like it's okay to be flawed and to not 1:30:06.560 --> 1:30:08.400 be so strong all the time. 1:30:08.520 --> 1:30:16.920 And write out my mouth. Okay, I know you're mad regular. 1:30:17.560 --> 1:30:19.080 I don't even know if I'm allowed to say that 1:30:19.360 --> 1:30:20.720 I am. I'm pretty. 1:30:25.120 --> 1:30:27.719 You know, that's very funny. A lot of my friends 1:30:27.840 --> 1:30:29.920 describe me as that way, and I'm like, I. 1:30:29.920 --> 1:30:32.559 Don't know what is like, Well, that's when I knew 1:30:32.560 --> 1:30:33.240 you would be cool. 1:30:33.600 --> 1:30:34.880 Okay, But you know, at the. 1:30:34.920 --> 1:30:42.320 Beginning, it's okay to an outsider because the perception of 1:30:42.800 --> 1:30:51.240 the dynasty is so gleamingly blinding that again, people don't until. 1:30:51.000 --> 1:30:52.840 My mom was on Instagram. 1:31:00.280 --> 1:31:00.840 To be getting it. 1:31:01.240 --> 1:31:05.880 But what I'm saying is that do you still feel 1:31:06.680 --> 1:31:09.920 I know that you fight for your private life, and 1:31:10.000 --> 1:31:12.680 you fight, well, not fight just. 1:31:12.800 --> 1:31:18.360 To you you protected, well, not even protected, just you're. 1:31:18.240 --> 1:31:20.439 Gonna do what you're gonna do, and sometimes you just 1:31:20.479 --> 1:31:24.880 want mad normal moments. And you guys indulged in mad 1:31:25.000 --> 1:31:30.160 regular normal Hey, the you know, the the noles. 1:31:32.560 --> 1:31:35.160 When I saw her, when I saw Miss Tina and 1:31:35.479 --> 1:31:40.720 mister Lawson posing in the parking lot of Costco, I 1:31:40.920 --> 1:31:43.280 was like, yo, data realist niggas outright now. 1:31:45.160 --> 1:31:46.960 I'm like, yo, she real for that, and she was 1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:47.719 happy to get. 1:31:47.640 --> 1:31:53.479 The savings, Like, oh my god, she's so serious about 1:31:53.560 --> 1:31:54.479 those mic downs. 1:31:54.920 --> 1:31:58.439 But I mean, do you at what point did you, 1:31:59.080 --> 1:32:04.000 collectively all of you decide like I'm done, I'm tired, 1:32:04.080 --> 1:32:08.120 like we could just be regular. I mean, because some 1:32:08.240 --> 1:32:12.519 of y'all are super heroes to some people, and then 1:32:13.400 --> 1:32:15.439 you want to be regular. So at what point do 1:32:15.520 --> 1:32:19.240 you just decide like I gotta be regular and what 1:32:19.600 --> 1:32:20.760 I'm gonna just be me? Yeah? 1:32:21.560 --> 1:32:21.960 I don't know. 1:32:22.160 --> 1:32:26.880 I think I personally have always operated from a space 1:32:27.040 --> 1:32:30.560 of like you said, like what, I'm drawn to the 1:32:30.680 --> 1:32:33.400 things that bring me the most joy, and I try 1:32:33.439 --> 1:32:37.719 to nurture them whatever that is. And I've also lived 1:32:37.880 --> 1:32:43.160 in places that have allowed me to do that safely, Like. 1:32:44.080 --> 1:32:46.439 Living in New Orleans is a huge part of that. 1:32:46.680 --> 1:32:49.839 And why did you choose New Orleans? I love New Orleans. 1:32:50.000 --> 1:32:52.720 I just love the city. I love the people, I 1:32:52.840 --> 1:32:53.719 love the culture. 1:32:53.960 --> 1:32:55.519 Did you kind of break up with New York because 1:32:55.520 --> 1:32:57.320 I read something like that you kind of got tired 1:32:57.360 --> 1:33:01.040 of certain aspects of New York or East post elitism 1:33:01.240 --> 1:33:02.280 liberally like that. 1:33:02.640 --> 1:33:05.240 That was definitely a part of it. That was definitely 1:33:05.320 --> 1:33:08.040 a part of it. But I think you're doing in Brooklyn. 1:33:09.240 --> 1:33:11.920 We were doing so good in Brooklyn. You give it you. 1:33:16.320 --> 1:33:18.160 How do you doing all that gentrification in Brooklyn? 1:33:18.240 --> 1:33:22.479 And it's a lot, it happens, It's happening, It's happening, Yeah, 1:33:22.520 --> 1:33:23.960 but it's everywhere. 1:33:24.040 --> 1:33:27.240 Do you still have those house parties in New Orleans? 1:33:28.920 --> 1:33:32.040 Her last night in Brooklyn was was really cool. Like 1:33:32.920 --> 1:33:35.920 I had not even had a house party in my house, 1:33:36.320 --> 1:33:38.040 Like when I do a party, I gotta do it 1:33:38.200 --> 1:33:40.840 somewhere that's not in my house. Ship. Yeah, but it 1:33:40.920 --> 1:33:43.599 was like it was like a cool house party, like DJ. 1:33:44.000 --> 1:33:49.720 It was people on Earth. Yeah, I was. 1:33:51.040 --> 1:33:52.160 It's been twenty years. 1:33:53.840 --> 1:33:54.240 I didn't know. 1:33:54.960 --> 1:33:56.720 Can I just add on this to something that you said? 1:33:57.000 --> 1:33:59.280 I wanted to ask you, you know, Amir said something 1:33:59.320 --> 1:34:02.680 about just the perception of you. But I feel like 1:34:03.000 --> 1:34:05.520 Solange fans have a different perception. 1:34:05.360 --> 1:34:08.280 Of you, and I think, yeah, like I feel like 1:34:08.640 --> 1:34:09.519 in kind of going back. 1:34:09.360 --> 1:34:11.160 To what Fante said, because I said to Fante when 1:34:11.200 --> 1:34:13.080 we first were talking about having you on the show, 1:34:13.439 --> 1:34:15.759 I was like, you know, Solange is like she's free, 1:34:16.240 --> 1:34:17.280 you know, and either. 1:34:18.320 --> 1:34:18.799 The male. 1:34:22.800 --> 1:34:23.679 Who else? 1:34:23.800 --> 1:34:25.559 He said, what does that mean to you? And I said, well, 1:34:25.600 --> 1:34:27.880 to me, it means that whatever she does and whichever 1:34:27.920 --> 1:34:30.240 way she decides to do it, people who love her 1:34:30.280 --> 1:34:33.559 will follow, and that fuck with you. And you don't 1:34:33.600 --> 1:34:36.960 have any leashes or any fences around you, like and 1:34:37.280 --> 1:34:39.000 the way you said, it's so easily, like, you know, 1:34:39.520 --> 1:34:41.240 I get to say all these things that I want 1:34:41.320 --> 1:34:42.760 to say and do all these things I want to do. 1:34:42.920 --> 1:34:43.960 That's like freedom. 1:34:44.640 --> 1:34:46.720 Do you know that? Do you know your fans look 1:34:46.760 --> 1:34:49.360 at you as kind of like the free. 1:34:50.720 --> 1:34:54.400 Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's it's a lot that 1:34:54.520 --> 1:34:57.679 comes with that, because I think even just the design 1:34:57.840 --> 1:34:58.080 of the. 1:34:58.200 --> 1:35:00.120 Term like care free black girl. 1:35:01.439 --> 1:35:03.680 Parts of that I embrace, and then parts of that 1:35:03.840 --> 1:35:06.120 I reject because I do have a lot of care. 1:35:06.240 --> 1:35:10.439 I don't know, I didn't say the care I know. Well, 1:35:10.479 --> 1:35:11.960 you know that's a girl. 1:35:12.080 --> 1:35:15.800 That's the new thing to care for you, that's the 1:35:15.840 --> 1:35:16.880 new Twitter turn. 1:35:17.520 --> 1:35:18.559 What is a carefree black girl? 1:35:18.560 --> 1:35:20.479 There's no such thing, but you were well, I. 1:35:23.040 --> 1:35:27.240 Of if we claim that, and we we claim that 1:35:27.400 --> 1:35:31.559 as our names, that people are not allowed to see 1:35:31.680 --> 1:35:35.280 black women as carefree individuals. They see us as angry 1:35:35.360 --> 1:35:39.680 black women, as you know, very wonful. 1:35:42.280 --> 1:35:44.040 This just turned into an episode of. 1:35:45.680 --> 1:35:53.800 You know, can I just ask as men, like what 1:35:53.960 --> 1:35:56.080 you just said, I feel all the time, y'all, don't 1:35:56.160 --> 1:35:56.679 that doesn't. 1:35:56.479 --> 1:35:59.360 Just make you tire, just might be real. 1:36:00.400 --> 1:36:03.960 This this is like black healing time. No, No, that 1:36:04.120 --> 1:36:07.000 was real because what she said, because sometimes she took 1:36:07.000 --> 1:36:08.559 the words out of my mouth when she was talking 1:36:08.560 --> 1:36:11.000 about like strong black women, And that's something that I've 1:36:11.080 --> 1:36:14.519 always what I think is like, you know, kind of 1:36:14.600 --> 1:36:17.040 the gift and the curse, so to speak of black 1:36:17.080 --> 1:36:20.280 women is that that's like the first thing that black 1:36:20.280 --> 1:36:23.120 women always described as she's so strong, she's so strong, 1:36:23.439 --> 1:36:26.280 so strong, and so when you do that, it's like, yeah, 1:36:26.320 --> 1:36:28.920 they're strong in the sense of like what we've had 1:36:28.960 --> 1:36:31.920 to endure as people and how like women have been 1:36:31.960 --> 1:36:34.200 the backbone of the family and all the voise, right, 1:36:34.280 --> 1:36:37.640 But it wasn't a choice. And too, when you characterize 1:36:37.680 --> 1:36:39.560 something as always being strong, you don't ever give it 1:36:39.640 --> 1:36:41.920 a chance to be delicate. So you don't ever get, 1:36:42.280 --> 1:36:45.160 you know, a black black woman get to be soft 1:36:45.520 --> 1:36:48.840 or vulnerable or delicate or fragile, you know what I'm saying. 1:36:48.880 --> 1:36:51.639 You never get to see them in that way. So again, 1:36:51.800 --> 1:36:53.160 that was just one of the things I liked about 1:36:53.200 --> 1:36:57.320 your album. Gives a full portrait of just a black woman. 1:36:59.000 --> 1:37:00.160 Yeah, I'm like getting. 1:37:02.560 --> 1:37:09.200 On the other hand, apparently you are your friends free 1:37:09.240 --> 1:37:11.559 in the Black Woman. I love black women. 1:37:13.000 --> 1:37:14.519 And Bill. 1:37:16.000 --> 1:37:18.920 And I must say, and this is all because me 1:37:19.000 --> 1:37:22.080 and slides we had a Twitter incident. 1:37:22.520 --> 1:37:23.439 There was a lot of incidents. 1:37:24.560 --> 1:37:26.160 Definitely had a Twitter incident. 1:37:26.720 --> 1:37:32.000 But it was all good about that. 1:37:32.479 --> 1:37:34.960 But you know what I will say about my black asses, 1:37:35.040 --> 1:37:36.160 I will pick up a phone. 1:37:36.960 --> 1:37:44.479 She was and that day was when it was little 1:37:44.520 --> 1:37:48.000 brother to reunite. That's all I wanted. And now we're here, 1:37:48.120 --> 1:37:49.439 that's all. Now this is happening. 1:37:49.640 --> 1:37:50.280 But it was cool. 1:37:50.320 --> 1:37:51.280 I mean, we traveled off. 1:37:52.000 --> 1:37:54.200 It was all respect for each other. That's the way 1:37:54.240 --> 1:37:54.720 it should be. 1:37:55.080 --> 1:37:59.240 I'm really really like clean and sober Twitter beefs for 1:37:59.520 --> 1:38:02.720 very long time, but I really really try to pick 1:38:02.800 --> 1:38:05.680 up the phone. So I appreciated that moment because a 1:38:05.720 --> 1:38:09.200 lot of people are scared of that dialogue, like they 1:38:09.800 --> 1:38:12.720 want to to leave it there, and. 1:38:12.800 --> 1:38:16.760 It's like, nah, were in the real world speaking of 1:38:16.840 --> 1:38:18.400 your Twitter beast. I must say. 1:38:21.960 --> 1:38:26.280 I liked that it was her uh deep album Deep 1:38:26.360 --> 1:38:30.240 Brandy album, yea necessary necessary. 1:38:30.400 --> 1:38:32.920 She has a song called It's necessary that I love 1:38:33.000 --> 1:38:33.400 that record. 1:38:33.800 --> 1:38:34.240 That's all. 1:38:37.000 --> 1:38:41.080 You're like, Yeah, that was the set up huge feld. 1:38:41.960 --> 1:38:45.800 John from the New York Yeah, have you spoken to 1:38:45.960 --> 1:38:49.639 him about so? Yeah, we must love the album because. 1:38:50.040 --> 1:38:52.360 Love the album. Yeah. 1:38:52.840 --> 1:38:59.760 So what I will say is that again, me, me, 1:38:59.840 --> 1:39:02.759 and and I pick up the phone you call looking 1:39:02.800 --> 1:39:05.880 at us. So yeah, after that happened, I tracked down 1:39:05.920 --> 1:39:06.760 his number. 1:39:08.160 --> 1:39:14.600 And I emailed him immediately because, like I said, I 1:39:14.720 --> 1:39:15.160 really do. 1:39:16.080 --> 1:39:20.440 I'm a big fan of conversation, Like, nothing about conversation 1:39:20.640 --> 1:39:21.200 scares me. 1:39:21.760 --> 1:39:24.439 I think again, not to bring it back to my dad. 1:39:24.560 --> 1:39:27.639 I think that was one thing that for whatever reason 1:39:27.920 --> 1:39:31.479 he put a lot of emphasis on, like never be 1:39:31.600 --> 1:39:36.360 afraid of conversation. So when I, you know, heard and 1:39:36.479 --> 1:39:39.360 read those statements that he made about don't let the 1:39:39.479 --> 1:39:43.600 hand write the hand that feeds you and wouldn't be 1:39:44.320 --> 1:39:47.760 solange if there was no Grizzly Bear and YadA YadA, 1:39:49.240 --> 1:39:52.720 I immediately reached out to him. I said, can we 1:39:52.880 --> 1:39:59.439 have a conversation about your statements? And he wrote back 1:39:59.560 --> 1:40:11.760 something very snarky and I speak record in fact, if 1:40:11.840 --> 1:40:14.040 I'm going to be perfectly honest, and I think that 1:40:14.240 --> 1:40:17.320 this is it sucks that he has to bear the 1:40:17.400 --> 1:40:20.320 weight of this. But this really was sort of the 1:40:20.439 --> 1:40:22.840 catalyst and the moment that I said I have to 1:40:22.880 --> 1:40:25.200 write this album. So it's an important part of the 1:40:25.280 --> 1:40:29.360 conversationis it was? It was I lost a lot of 1:40:29.400 --> 1:40:32.719 sleep about that, and I wrote him and I second, 1:40:32.800 --> 1:40:35.000 I have a conversation you wrote back he said, I'm 1:40:35.040 --> 1:40:37.880 assuming you don't want to talk about to me. So 1:40:38.040 --> 1:40:40.839 I just kind of scratched my head and was like, okay, 1:40:41.040 --> 1:40:47.120 this is what we're doing here, And ultimately a conversation 1:40:47.400 --> 1:40:52.280 was not had, and I felt very silenced. And again 1:40:52.400 --> 1:40:54.760 it's sort of like that craft work incident where you 1:40:55.080 --> 1:40:59.800 are like brewing in this incident. 1:41:00.040 --> 1:41:02.559 And you're not really able to speak your piece. 1:41:04.280 --> 1:41:11.879 And it was so crazy because the conversation about Brandy 1:41:12.000 --> 1:41:15.400 was completely isolated. It had nothing to do actually with 1:41:15.600 --> 1:41:18.360 what they were originally talking about, which was like a 1:41:18.520 --> 1:41:21.400 review of a Chief Keef album, which I couldn't tell 1:41:21.439 --> 1:41:23.760 you anything. 1:41:23.720 --> 1:41:25.120 About a Chief Keef album. 1:41:25.360 --> 1:41:27.640 That was an isolated thing that I just kind of 1:41:27.680 --> 1:41:32.920 got looped into through virtue of the topic of cultural tourism. 1:41:33.360 --> 1:41:36.920 And I think it was all relevant in that way, 1:41:37.120 --> 1:41:39.960 but I was just kind of being looped into it, 1:41:40.880 --> 1:41:43.200 and it was so weird. 1:41:43.360 --> 1:41:46.840 Marty Garras in New Orleans, I have a very different experience, 1:41:46.960 --> 1:41:49.960 is very spiritual for me, and it's like when fat 1:41:50.040 --> 1:41:51.719 Tuesday comes, that's. 1:41:51.640 --> 1:41:55.679 The day of release and relief. And for whatever reason, 1:41:55.800 --> 1:41:57.799 it was Marti Gras three years later. 1:41:58.479 --> 1:42:01.800 And I just said, I have to free myself of 1:42:03.200 --> 1:42:06.479 this one incident before I go through this next chapter 1:42:06.680 --> 1:42:15.120 of Marti Gras. And it was actually, I believe like 1:42:15.439 --> 1:42:20.320 Pitchfork or someone wrote something about Brandy. I can't remember 1:42:20.400 --> 1:42:25.200 exactly what happened, but I know Saint Hron had written 1:42:25.400 --> 1:42:30.800 something around the same time and so it just brought 1:42:30.880 --> 1:42:33.800 up a lot of emotions and shit got ruined. And 1:42:33.920 --> 1:42:37.360 I got his phone number from someone and I called 1:42:38.479 --> 1:42:43.040 and I just say, you know, last night, I just 1:42:43.120 --> 1:42:47.760 got really pissed, and it was the day before Mardi Gras. 1:42:47.760 --> 1:42:49.240 I needed to get it off my chest. 1:42:49.400 --> 1:42:52.799 I went to Twitter. It probably wasn't the best form, 1:42:53.000 --> 1:42:55.479 but I wanted to call and really explain to you 1:42:56.080 --> 1:42:57.240 what the deal was. 1:42:57.479 --> 1:43:02.200 And he immediately knew he apologies, guys. He felt very 1:43:02.280 --> 1:43:06.080 remorseful for using that terminalogy. But I still feel like 1:43:06.160 --> 1:43:08.280 there's a lot of fuzziness, like a lot of people 1:43:08.439 --> 1:43:09.640 still don't really know. 1:43:09.960 --> 1:43:11.440 They didn't hear the podcast. 1:43:12.320 --> 1:43:16.040 So it felt again very reactive from a black woman, 1:43:16.320 --> 1:43:19.599 you know, rolling her neck and smacking her gumbs. 1:43:20.000 --> 1:43:23.479 Okay, real quick, this question, Love Supreme Wan Ben Duran. 1:43:23.520 --> 1:43:27.240 We're talking with our guests a lunch about Twitter beefs, 1:43:27.760 --> 1:43:30.000 and one in particular she had with the writer from 1:43:30.080 --> 1:43:32.960 New York Times. Can I catch light you up? Do 1:43:33.040 --> 1:43:34.439 you know where you are in the story now? 1:43:34.960 --> 1:43:36.839 I know I did not tell that very clear. 1:43:36.680 --> 1:43:42.360 Okay, Okay, so basically I don't. She expressed well justified 1:43:43.520 --> 1:43:48.200 admiration and fandom for Brandy's work. 1:43:48.720 --> 1:43:50.360 Of which I'm a megastan. 1:43:50.600 --> 1:43:55.080 I guess. I guess Bill and I can also agree 1:43:55.840 --> 1:43:57.920 to this. You look at me like I pulled you 1:43:58.000 --> 1:44:02.360 on the agree to what about to be in the ship? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, 1:44:02.360 --> 1:44:07.559 I think everyone can agree so as especially her debut record, 1:44:07.640 --> 1:44:10.600 I mean just in general, but her debut record was 1:44:10.920 --> 1:44:16.640 probably one of the probably a very pleasant surprise in 1:44:16.720 --> 1:44:20.800 it's in its artistry. And you know, oftentimes black music 1:44:22.160 --> 1:44:25.760 is so cut and paste and and quick money and 1:44:26.120 --> 1:44:28.080 here's the hit, and here's the follow up hit, and 1:44:28.560 --> 1:44:35.439 it's disposable. But Brandy and her producers Keith Crouch and 1:44:35.760 --> 1:44:42.120 Jipper Jones. Kipper Jones really made something that that that 1:44:42.360 --> 1:44:46.000 was lasting and you know, really amazing, and she expressed 1:44:46.040 --> 1:44:49.240 admiration for that, and I guess and kind of the 1:44:49.280 --> 1:44:53.080 way that we kind of dismissed La with her opinions, 1:44:53.240 --> 1:44:57.640 just like we do. Yeah, exactly. You look at her 1:44:57.680 --> 1:44:59.960 looking at you right now, Margaret. 1:45:00.600 --> 1:45:06.120 I'm sorry, right, I do, I do. I'm sorry. 1:45:06.120 --> 1:45:07.519 I want to hear about this though, because I want 1:45:07.520 --> 1:45:08.719 to I want to not like this motherfucker. 1:45:08.720 --> 1:45:09.120 What do you say? 1:45:14.240 --> 1:45:18.439 Essentially, it became it became no he didn't throw he 1:45:18.479 --> 1:45:22.000 didn't throw some shade. Essentially, I expressed this, and it 1:45:22.120 --> 1:45:26.599 became a little bit of a joke between indie white bros. 1:45:28.280 --> 1:45:32.439 I expressed, you know that, as a music journalist, that 1:45:32.520 --> 1:45:35.320 you shouldn't even feel qualified, which I still stand by 1:45:35.479 --> 1:45:38.200 to write about R and B music unless you really 1:45:38.400 --> 1:45:43.320 understand Brandy's influence on the culture of R and B music. 1:45:43.439 --> 1:45:47.880 When you're writing about Frank Ocean and the innovation of 1:45:48.520 --> 1:45:51.160 black artists today, she needs to be a part of 1:45:51.240 --> 1:45:54.360 that conversation because she is valued. 1:45:54.040 --> 1:45:54.720 In that way. 1:45:55.520 --> 1:46:01.160 And essentially it became a hashtag, primarily by white music 1:46:01.320 --> 1:46:06.320 journalists who Wright wrote for indie blogs and magazines, and 1:46:06.400 --> 1:46:09.400 they turned it into a hashtag deep Brandy album cuts, 1:46:09.439 --> 1:46:10.400 and it became like a. 1:46:12.280 --> 1:46:12.479 Yeah. 1:46:13.360 --> 1:46:16.360 And so New York Times reached out to me. They 1:46:16.400 --> 1:46:20.040 said they were doing a podcast about cultural tourism. Apparently 1:46:20.520 --> 1:46:22.960 around the same time there was a lot of resistance 1:46:23.120 --> 1:46:27.120 from black hip hop writers who had problems with the 1:46:27.160 --> 1:46:29.800 way that a Chief Key review was written about. So 1:46:29.920 --> 1:46:34.160 they were having this podcast about cultural tourism, invited me on. 1:46:34.880 --> 1:46:37.920 I decline. I did not see any incentive for me 1:46:38.080 --> 1:46:42.880 to go and have a debate with two white men 1:46:43.120 --> 1:46:48.400 about cultural tourism just didn't make sense. So I was 1:46:49.520 --> 1:46:54.559 not present, and they brought up me speaking about Brandy 1:46:54.720 --> 1:47:00.880 and the little hashtag, and essentially he said that he 1:47:01.200 --> 1:47:03.479 was a fan of mine, that he went to my 1:47:03.600 --> 1:47:08.040 show and made him feel good and fuzzy inside. But 1:47:08.240 --> 1:47:13.480 let's be clear that there would not be a Solange 1:47:13.560 --> 1:47:16.479 album if if it weren't for Grizzly Bear. 1:47:18.560 --> 1:47:24.920 Right, and they are I thought we were using cold language. 1:47:28.240 --> 1:47:32.519 Actually, dear friends of mine and I put out that 1:47:32.800 --> 1:47:35.400 record on one of their labels. 1:47:36.280 --> 1:47:38.120 I love the label terrible. 1:47:44.560 --> 1:47:48.320 To him, he did not know the general landscape of 1:47:48.360 --> 1:47:50.840 my album. He didn't know that Hadley Street il Soold 1:47:50.960 --> 1:47:54.599 True five six times over. But what he was saying 1:47:54.960 --> 1:47:57.920 was that because that was a primarily black audience who 1:47:58.040 --> 1:48:01.000 bought that and True was a primarily audience, that my 1:48:01.160 --> 1:48:07.360 relevancy rested in that that world, and his friends and 1:48:07.520 --> 1:48:10.920 his bros knew about me and valued me in that way. 1:48:11.560 --> 1:48:17.040 And he actually ended off that statement by saying, does 1:48:17.120 --> 1:48:19.880 she know who buys her records? And if I were her, 1:48:20.080 --> 1:48:21.960 I would not bite the hand that feeds me. 1:48:22.920 --> 1:48:26.040 Trying to say, don't all these white Yeads depending was 1:48:26.160 --> 1:48:27.600 mightier than and. 1:48:27.640 --> 1:48:33.240 Then he named on his Twitter the podcast, like his 1:48:33.400 --> 1:48:36.920 introduction to the podcast was called does Solange know who's 1:48:37.000 --> 1:48:38.760 buying her records? Oh? Wow? 1:48:39.479 --> 1:48:39.679 Yeah? 1:48:39.720 --> 1:48:41.680 This is times where I feel like it like that 1:48:41.880 --> 1:48:44.240 was one of the instances where I really feel like 1:48:45.160 --> 1:48:46.920 it should kind of go back to days of like 1:48:47.520 --> 1:48:52.880 you know, when chi Ococa got knocked out by uh yeah, 1:48:52.960 --> 1:48:56.360 like where journalists were really you know, held accountable, held 1:48:56.360 --> 1:48:57.959 account of, held accountable. 1:48:57.960 --> 1:49:00.360 I mean I had a lot of I had a 1:49:00.439 --> 1:49:03.320 lot of black men that I have to say came hard, 1:49:03.600 --> 1:49:05.320 like if you want me to do this. 1:49:06.560 --> 1:49:08.560 There was definitely a lot of conversations like that. 1:49:08.760 --> 1:49:12.280 But ultimately, and I actually on Don't You Wait on 1:49:12.360 --> 1:49:15.400 my album, I say, I don't want to bite the 1:49:15.560 --> 1:49:19.720 hand and with my whole life, but I didn't want 1:49:19.760 --> 1:49:22.240 to build the land that has fed you your whole life. 1:49:22.560 --> 1:49:25.920 I know that is so I wanted to ask you 1:49:25.960 --> 1:49:26.280 about that. 1:49:27.400 --> 1:49:31.440 I said my piece, But I think I think ultimately 1:49:31.680 --> 1:49:32.519 that was just. 1:49:34.479 --> 1:49:38.439 The emotional tormal and taxing that goes on and being 1:49:38.560 --> 1:49:42.360 silenced and me feeling like there's no way that I 1:49:42.439 --> 1:49:46.719 can actually break this down and him still be held 1:49:46.960 --> 1:49:51.120 accountable at the level that he deserves to be held accountable, 1:49:51.200 --> 1:49:54.320 because that's just the way that things work, and that 1:49:54.720 --> 1:49:58.120 is the alliances that this industry has. 1:49:58.200 --> 1:50:01.840 Created to protect people to be able to say this. 1:50:02.240 --> 1:50:04.920 And then one day I just had enough and I 1:50:05.479 --> 1:50:09.280 went on Twitter before Marty Gras was like, it's been 1:50:09.400 --> 1:50:10.160 three years. 1:50:09.960 --> 1:50:11.920 And I've been wanting to tell you. Don't you ever 1:50:12.040 --> 1:50:14.519 tell a black woman not to bite the hand? My 1:50:14.640 --> 1:50:17.000 mama was so mad. She wouldn't let it go because 1:50:17.040 --> 1:50:21.040 someone told her baby, don't bite the hand. That feet. 1:50:24.520 --> 1:50:24.800 Of that. 1:50:25.520 --> 1:50:29.000 It's really deep and I had to hold him accountable 1:50:29.080 --> 1:50:29.240 for that. 1:50:29.360 --> 1:50:31.519 I'm sure he is a nice guy and I'm sure 1:50:31.600 --> 1:50:35.600 he's learned a lot through this incident. And he told me, 1:50:35.720 --> 1:50:39.200 you know, he had people calling him that were really disappointed, 1:50:39.360 --> 1:50:44.040 and I felt validation in that. I felt like, we 1:50:44.280 --> 1:50:47.479 have to be held accountable. I surely have been held 1:50:47.520 --> 1:50:52.160 accountable for my functionit, so you have to too. And 1:50:52.560 --> 1:50:55.400 it sucks when that has to be public. But you know, 1:50:55.760 --> 1:50:58.920 the incident was made public when you decided to say 1:50:59.000 --> 1:50:59.439 that on. 1:50:59.600 --> 1:51:01.960 Record, And we're learning what not to say in these 1:51:02.080 --> 1:51:04.759 days and age. I think we're really on track to learn. 1:51:06.800 --> 1:51:10.120 I thank you for that, because especially the way that 1:51:10.240 --> 1:51:17.600 I publicly have declared my life uh and uh in 1:51:17.680 --> 1:51:19.800 a way that's like it's it's so in depth to 1:51:20.080 --> 1:51:23.880 music critics and how I acknowledge that they have their 1:51:23.920 --> 1:51:26.559 hands on the guillotine button in any moment, they can 1:51:27.320 --> 1:51:30.519 make or break my life. They once did this to 1:51:30.640 --> 1:51:37.760 Donald Glover with a very mean spirited, uh like one. 1:51:38.600 --> 1:51:42.160 I think Pitchford gave him like a one, not why no, no, no, 1:51:42.360 --> 1:51:45.320 this is his one of his records got a one. 1:51:45.400 --> 1:51:48.000 It was just like a mean spirited we can wow, 1:51:48.600 --> 1:51:50.920 you know, like if you get a one, that's like, 1:51:51.439 --> 1:51:54.320 I mean to put it in perspective like Motten Tomatoes 1:51:54.439 --> 1:51:58.120 and Andrew originally from Whim got a half from Rolling 1:51:58.200 --> 1:52:01.560 Stone like they'd never review it. They just wanted to 1:52:01.600 --> 1:52:03.640 be mean flexed about it and do that. 1:52:04.760 --> 1:52:07.760 Don't y'all remembers the critics names they remember y'all and 1:52:07.840 --> 1:52:08.439 so who you are? 1:52:08.560 --> 1:52:12.120 You have one? Just in general since since the onslough 1:52:12.400 --> 1:52:19.080 what I call Pitchfork culture, which is yeah, I do too. 1:52:19.240 --> 1:52:22.960 It's it. It sucks when it feels like it is 1:52:23.240 --> 1:52:25.679 a modern day good old boys club. 1:52:25.880 --> 1:52:29.160 Can I ask because on the other side of that coin. 1:52:29.840 --> 1:52:36.479 One of the best, most eloquent reviews of your album, 1:52:38.160 --> 1:52:44.040 ironically also came from Pitchwork, which I was shocked at 1:52:44.120 --> 1:52:49.120 the level of all the right things that were said. Now, 1:52:49.520 --> 1:52:52.680 you know, I've known that since since two thousand and four, 1:52:52.800 --> 1:52:54.120 they've really diversified. 1:52:54.479 --> 1:52:56.719 Absolutely, I'm happy. 1:52:57.200 --> 1:52:59.760 I'm happy about the work that they've done. And this 1:53:00.000 --> 1:53:03.600 this is the thing about that situation that happened. I 1:53:03.720 --> 1:53:07.080 felt like there was a spin on that story in 1:53:07.280 --> 1:53:11.920 that I was like somehow unhappy or being braddy about 1:53:11.960 --> 1:53:16.280 the way that they were talking about me. I have, 1:53:17.080 --> 1:53:22.920 you know, always had great reviews from my albums in general, 1:53:23.040 --> 1:53:26.320 I feel which I've been, you know, really happy about. 1:53:27.000 --> 1:53:30.759 But I do feel like there were certain narratives coming 1:53:31.000 --> 1:53:33.320 out of that brand of. 1:53:35.600 --> 1:53:40.519 Indie music blogs in general during that time, and people 1:53:40.640 --> 1:53:43.840 have held them accountable and I've seen the changes and 1:53:43.960 --> 1:53:46.760 I've seen the transformations, and I'm happy. That's all you 1:53:46.840 --> 1:53:49.680 can ask for, is when you can plain about some 1:53:49.760 --> 1:53:53.360 shit and you uphold people to that responsibility that they're 1:53:53.439 --> 1:53:57.120 willing to make the changes that people are asking for. 1:53:57.320 --> 1:53:59.800 And I've seen that and I've respected it. 1:54:00.000 --> 1:54:02.960 I'm just saying I'm glad you did it, because oftentimes 1:54:04.560 --> 1:54:07.640 I feel like journalists can also be ass petty they 1:54:07.720 --> 1:54:11.040 want to and then wait till the next record comes down, 1:54:12.280 --> 1:54:14.840 and you know, I mean for those that are are 1:54:15.040 --> 1:54:18.719 in the dark. I guess a lot of my disdain 1:54:18.960 --> 1:54:22.439 for some of the Well, first of all, the Internet 1:54:22.600 --> 1:54:25.160 just gives anybody the right to be super journalists if 1:54:25.200 --> 1:54:29.280 they want to be. But I often noticed that, Uh, 1:54:29.720 --> 1:54:34.640 there was there was a period in which I guess 1:54:34.720 --> 1:54:39.040 they they were trying to determine what was authentically black 1:54:39.360 --> 1:54:44.400 absolutely and really what was pretentious. So there was a period. 1:54:45.240 --> 1:54:47.560 There was a period where like there's there's a really 1:54:48.560 --> 1:54:55.000 glowing review of Hell haf No Fury, the CLIs second album, 1:54:55.440 --> 1:54:57.839 which was a dope album, which it was amazing. 1:54:58.120 --> 1:55:02.520 It was amazing Internet blocker Bible, I swear to god, 1:55:02.560 --> 1:55:04.360 they went so fucking crazy over that record. 1:55:04.520 --> 1:55:07.400 Yeah, it was like but at the level of eloquence 1:55:07.480 --> 1:55:11.680 and beauty, like the review, the Pitchwork review of Hell 1:55:11.800 --> 1:55:16.120 Have No Fury was almost as incredible as the album itself. 1:55:16.960 --> 1:55:19.720 But then it left me questioning because I knew why 1:55:19.920 --> 1:55:24.600 I love the record, but just see the levels of salivating, 1:55:24.920 --> 1:55:28.160 Oh my god, you know, watch but it was it 1:55:28.320 --> 1:55:29.120 was like looking at. 1:55:31.760 --> 1:55:34.360 Land like, wait, are you. 1:55:34.440 --> 1:55:36.320 Never you're laughing with me or you're laughing at me. 1:55:36.480 --> 1:55:40.760 It's it's kind of right, right, and so that's I'm 1:55:40.920 --> 1:55:43.240 so happy though that that's like deading. 1:55:43.680 --> 1:55:48.919 It feels like it is. You think, maybe I'm being optimistic. 1:55:48.360 --> 1:55:52.440 But I remember it was like during that time where 1:55:52.600 --> 1:55:55.720 I went on all of the profiles of people who 1:55:55.800 --> 1:55:58.560 were saying, oh hell yeah I was. 1:56:00.840 --> 1:56:06.000 I saw every single one of them had a profile 1:56:06.120 --> 1:56:09.520 picture of of something ratchet and. 1:56:09.760 --> 1:56:11.120 They would never subscribe to you. 1:56:11.880 --> 1:56:14.480 I was like, let somebody drop your ass off in 1:56:14.600 --> 1:56:17.400 that part of Chicago and take a field trip for 1:56:17.480 --> 1:56:20.080 the day and see how that goes for you. Since 1:56:20.120 --> 1:56:24.280 we want to talk about cultural tourism like you know. So, 1:56:24.600 --> 1:56:27.640 but I do feel like I feel like we're. 1:56:27.560 --> 1:56:28.440 Moving away from that. 1:56:28.600 --> 1:56:30.600 No, I don't know. 1:56:32.760 --> 1:56:35.520 I couldn't be wrong. Maybe I just stop giving au. 1:56:37.760 --> 1:56:41.520 But I think I think honestly, when it comes to 1:56:42.760 --> 1:56:46.280 you know, reviews and things like that, like you can't 1:56:46.400 --> 1:56:49.960 give that energy in that way because I just feel 1:56:50.000 --> 1:56:54.040 like in two thousand and eight, during the Hadley Street 1:56:54.240 --> 1:56:59.600 shows and the aftermath of shows and meeting black girls 1:57:00.160 --> 1:57:04.640 who said some of the most profound, powerful things that 1:57:05.040 --> 1:57:07.760 I felt like I had to then live up to, 1:57:08.200 --> 1:57:10.960 you know, after the shows, those are the reviews for me, 1:57:11.320 --> 1:57:14.640 those are the moments, and even with this album, you know, 1:57:15.040 --> 1:57:21.520 it's been really important to me that I honor those moments. 1:57:21.720 --> 1:57:25.040 You know, this is so wonderful that my music is 1:57:25.160 --> 1:57:28.360 being able to reach as many people as it is 1:57:28.560 --> 1:57:34.960 and the dialogue of like, oh, this is your best work, 1:57:35.120 --> 1:57:38.600 and it is definitely an elevation of my work. But 1:57:38.720 --> 1:57:40.600 I feel proud of all of my work, and I 1:57:40.760 --> 1:57:46.200 feel really proud of the connectivity and the black girls 1:57:46.360 --> 1:57:49.040 that have been at my show since I was twenty one, 1:57:49.240 --> 1:57:52.760 who are still there and are still connecting, like those 1:57:52.840 --> 1:57:57.160 are my reviews. Those are sacred moments of being in 1:57:57.320 --> 1:58:02.280 Paris and black girls telling me like we were never 1:58:02.480 --> 1:58:07.879 told that we can wear I makeup blue and crazy lipstick, 1:58:08.040 --> 1:58:11.320 like this be aloud and it be like, those are 1:58:11.400 --> 1:58:14.960 my reviews. You know, There's nothing that can feel better 1:58:15.080 --> 1:58:17.680 to me than that, because I was that girl. I 1:58:18.000 --> 1:58:20.800 was that girl with Reese and Caalise and all of 1:58:20.880 --> 1:58:24.120 these girls were coming out and I saw people how 1:58:24.200 --> 1:58:27.120 I saw myself and what that did for my confidence 1:58:27.240 --> 1:58:28.200 and my self worth. 1:58:28.960 --> 1:58:33.240 That was everything to me. So the reviews are nice, 1:58:33.400 --> 1:58:36.360 but that's what I thrive off of. 1:58:36.640 --> 1:58:39.600 That's what makes me get back in the lab, Like, Okay, 1:58:39.720 --> 1:58:43.360 I gotta write some shit to honor that. And if 1:58:43.880 --> 1:58:46.920 you feel a connection to it and you write something glowing, 1:58:47.080 --> 1:58:51.280 that's beautiful. But what you won't do is disrespect my heroes. 1:58:51.600 --> 1:58:55.160 I feel very, very very protective of my heroes, whoever 1:58:55.280 --> 1:58:58.440 that might be. And I feel like still to this 1:58:58.680 --> 1:59:02.840 day that like Full Moon for me, like that's such 1:59:02.840 --> 1:59:09.680 an experimental, weird as avant garde progressive record and going 1:59:09.880 --> 1:59:13.080 further than half of the shit that you're writing about 1:59:13.280 --> 1:59:17.520 and saying it is so innovative. I mean, the sounds 1:59:17.600 --> 1:59:20.400 and the landscapes that they created with that album. So 1:59:20.560 --> 1:59:23.440 you just aren't going to leave people out of this context, 1:59:23.640 --> 1:59:28.520 you know, like even for my record, like Tweet is 1:59:28.840 --> 1:59:32.320 my vocal bible, Like, you're not going to leave these 1:59:32.400 --> 1:59:35.640 people out of the context that all of us are 1:59:35.760 --> 1:59:39.560 actually building and inspired by. And that's the part of 1:59:39.720 --> 1:59:44.360 that culture that I don't have respect for, is the 1:59:44.560 --> 1:59:49.160 pet favorites of the moment without honoring the work and 1:59:49.280 --> 1:59:50.760 the influence behind them. 1:59:51.160 --> 1:59:53.680 How did Brandy receive all your fighting and all the. 1:59:55.440 --> 1:59:56.840 This is really a lot. 2:00:01.360 --> 2:00:06.000 No, she actually, you know, publicly says she really appreciated 2:00:06.040 --> 2:00:08.960 it and it made her feel really good. 2:00:09.160 --> 2:00:13.440 And you know, she says some really kind things. But 2:00:14.040 --> 2:00:15.600 one more time it could get weird. 2:00:23.440 --> 2:00:30.920 So Solann's what, how eclectic has your record collection always been? Actually? Actually? 2:00:31.000 --> 2:00:34.160 Okay, this is like a cool way to answer. 2:00:35.400 --> 2:00:38.560 Okay, well, growing up? All right, let's take it the 2:00:39.160 --> 2:00:42.120 late eighties, early nineties, when you're no, when you're younger, Yes, 2:00:42.600 --> 2:00:47.960 what does the Noles family record collection look like like? 2:00:48.080 --> 2:00:49.760 If you're taking family trips somewhere? 2:00:50.000 --> 2:00:50.120 Right? 2:00:50.360 --> 2:00:51.520 Who controls the radio? 2:00:52.560 --> 2:00:52.600 So? 2:00:53.200 --> 2:00:57.440 Okay, so you have to understand that Kelly from Destiny's 2:00:57.520 --> 2:01:02.760 Child is like a sister me. She moved in with 2:01:02.960 --> 2:01:05.160 us when I was five, so as far as I 2:01:05.280 --> 2:01:08.400 have memory, she was there. And then we have my 2:01:08.600 --> 2:01:10.920 cousin Angie, who's also like a sister to me. 2:01:11.040 --> 2:01:15.360 You're still trying to play guitar, she is, she's. 2:01:15.200 --> 2:01:21.360 Doing really good. Angie moved in when I was ten, 2:01:21.640 --> 2:01:24.000 so as far as I can remember, I have four sisters. 2:01:24.480 --> 2:01:25.080 And then my mom. 2:01:25.200 --> 2:01:27.760 So my dad was outnumbered by women. It was a 2:01:28.000 --> 2:01:34.920 five woman household. So the really cool thing about that 2:01:35.160 --> 2:01:38.040 is that all three of my sisters had very different 2:01:38.480 --> 2:01:43.920 musical tastes. Kelly was very much so into alternative music. 2:01:44.240 --> 2:01:47.480 She listened to a lot of Fiona Apple and Elena's Morriset. 2:01:49.560 --> 2:01:52.720 My sister actually listened to a lot of Mariah Carey, 2:01:53.840 --> 2:01:57.200 and then when she got older, she listened to a 2:01:57.280 --> 2:02:01.720 lot of soul music, Arita Sugy, She's the one who 2:02:02.080 --> 2:02:03.760 put me up on all of that stuff. And then 2:02:03.880 --> 2:02:07.120 Angie listened to a lot of hip hop, a lot 2:02:07.240 --> 2:02:12.080 of Tupac, Little Kim Too Shore, a lot of Houston shit. 2:02:13.760 --> 2:02:18.280 So I had the experience to grow up around so 2:02:18.440 --> 2:02:22.080 many different types of music between my older sisters and 2:02:22.200 --> 2:02:25.400 then my parents were just all about earth Wind and 2:02:25.480 --> 2:02:26.879 Fire Isley Brothers. 2:02:27.440 --> 2:02:31.160 My mom owned a hair salon, so they had like 2:02:31.240 --> 2:02:33.400 a stack of CDs that she would. 2:02:33.280 --> 2:02:36.640 Play, you know, throughout the day at the hair salon, 2:02:36.960 --> 2:02:40.480 And I actually used to play the records when I 2:02:40.520 --> 2:02:43.120 would get home from school, but it was only like. 2:02:44.760 --> 2:02:47.160 Twelve earth Wind and Fire records I could choose out 2:02:47.240 --> 2:02:51.879 of our Isley Brothers. That was like the two favorites. 2:02:52.400 --> 2:02:59.920 My parents, though, actually met arguing over records my music. 2:03:00.560 --> 2:03:04.560 Yep. My dad was like kind of a man around town, 2:03:04.840 --> 2:03:05.560 and he had his. 2:03:07.040 --> 2:03:11.320 Apartment and he had all these like parties there that 2:03:11.440 --> 2:03:12.360 people knew about. 2:03:12.480 --> 2:03:13.440 And my mom went with. 2:03:13.520 --> 2:03:18.480 Her friend and he was an extensive vinyl collector, like 2:03:19.000 --> 2:03:23.840 hardcore don't touch my records type of guy, and my 2:03:23.960 --> 2:03:27.240 mom started flipping through his records and he walked over 2:03:27.360 --> 2:03:30.320 to her and the first words of them ever meeting 2:03:30.560 --> 2:03:34.400 was him saying, don't touch my records, and she was. 2:03:34.480 --> 2:03:38.320 Like, records, yes. 2:03:39.400 --> 2:03:43.200 So they had like a little argument actually, and then 2:03:43.720 --> 2:03:47.000 I guess it turned into flirting, but. 2:03:49.720 --> 2:03:50.240 Exactly. 2:03:50.920 --> 2:03:54.800 But yeah, I mean I grew up, I would say, 2:03:54.840 --> 2:03:59.360 primarily like soul music was at the forefront, but through 2:03:59.400 --> 2:04:02.000 the influence of my sisters, I heard a little bit 2:04:02.040 --> 2:04:08.040 of everything. And then when I became about thirteen, I 2:04:08.120 --> 2:04:12.120 started dancing for Destiny's Child and I went on the 2:04:12.240 --> 2:04:14.400 road with them, and we spent a lot of time 2:04:14.480 --> 2:04:17.920 in Europe, and as you know, over there, the radio 2:04:18.000 --> 2:04:21.720 formats are extremely different. So I'd be in London, you know, 2:04:21.920 --> 2:04:24.520 for two weeks and here in New York and Chemical 2:04:24.600 --> 2:04:28.040 Brothers and all of this shit on the radio, and 2:04:28.160 --> 2:04:31.760 I would go back to actually I was eleven. It 2:04:31.920 --> 2:04:34.600 was before I started dancing for them, because I remember 2:04:34.720 --> 2:04:37.400 going back to my junior high school and playing New 2:04:37.520 --> 2:04:38.240 York records. 2:04:38.600 --> 2:04:41.720 My friends like, I don't know what the fuck. Yeah, 2:04:41.720 --> 2:04:45.520 I'm doing over there, but we don't really dig this shit. 2:04:47.200 --> 2:04:50.760 And so I went through like a serious, downbeat, electronic 2:04:51.640 --> 2:04:54.520 middle school moment where it was just like All Boards 2:04:54.560 --> 2:04:55.560 of Canada. 2:04:55.360 --> 2:04:56.200 Pevery or. 2:04:57.920 --> 2:04:59.520 Seven, all that. 2:05:01.880 --> 2:05:06.600 Canada, and so I kind of went into that landscape. 2:05:06.760 --> 2:05:11.120 And then I would say, really like the thriving moment 2:05:11.440 --> 2:05:15.680 of my musicality in terms of, you know, just collecting 2:05:15.840 --> 2:05:21.360 music was around thirteen. That was, like, you know, obviously 2:05:22.160 --> 2:05:26.520 around the time that the sol Aquarians came onto the scene, 2:05:26.760 --> 2:05:32.000 and I, for the first time felt a connection outside 2:05:32.080 --> 2:05:35.440 of the music, but more so just culturally of people 2:05:35.680 --> 2:05:39.080 who I felt like I could identify myself with. 2:05:40.120 --> 2:05:41.720 Honest no, no, no, I'm not. 2:05:41.920 --> 2:05:42.760 Just laughed at me. 2:05:42.840 --> 2:05:49.280 No, no, no, it wasn't that. I don't know if 2:05:49.280 --> 2:05:51.240 I want to tell the story now, because you just 2:05:51.320 --> 2:05:55.280 said something and it triggered off. Do you not remember Sacramento? 2:05:56.160 --> 2:05:59.640 All right, So we're in Sacramento. The Voodoo Tour is 2:05:59.720 --> 2:06:04.200 in Sane Sacremento. But for some reason, h one of 2:06:04.280 --> 2:06:08.000 those like uh power jams or whatever, you know, like 2:06:10.400 --> 2:06:13.960 everybody that is also supposed to be the same night, 2:06:14.040 --> 2:06:19.760 but for some strange reason, they decided to mix both nights. 2:06:20.360 --> 2:06:23.880 So this is one of the rare times in which 2:06:24.320 --> 2:06:29.320 d'angelo's voodoo tour is also sharing a bill with Destiny's Child. 2:06:29.720 --> 2:06:33.280 Oh wow. So the whole point was that you said 2:06:33.320 --> 2:06:37.560 all these things, and it reminded me of the time 2:06:37.600 --> 2:06:41.080 that you're not aware of. All right, So Devil Spy 2:06:41.200 --> 2:06:44.600 is the first song that's performed. Here's the thing. If 2:06:44.720 --> 2:06:50.320 D'Angelo knows that someone notable is watching him perform, that 2:06:50.520 --> 2:06:54.400 could be a good thing. I'll i seeing shock of 2:06:54.440 --> 2:07:00.160 combackstage and him really being in rare form, or that 2:07:00.320 --> 2:07:05.280 could be a bad thing. Allah Destiny's Child in the 2:07:05.360 --> 2:07:08.440 corner watching him. Now, there was a slew of women there, 2:07:08.480 --> 2:07:10.760 So I'm assuming that you're also in this or you 2:07:10.840 --> 2:07:13.400 don't have a recollection of the story. Anyway, My point 2:07:13.560 --> 2:07:18.920 was that in Deed's excitement of this moment, uh, and 2:07:19.080 --> 2:07:20.880 he was very big on the James Brown moves and 2:07:20.920 --> 2:07:23.840 all that stuff. There's a point in Devil's Pie where 2:07:23.880 --> 2:07:27.000 he runs across the stage and he slides to the 2:07:27.080 --> 2:07:30.480 microphone right before we get to that hole. All a lot, 2:07:30.960 --> 2:07:36.960 but there was a nail. Oh fuck wait, I didn't 2:07:36.960 --> 2:07:38.520 even get to the punch on yet. There was a 2:07:38.640 --> 2:07:42.400 nail slightly sticking out the stage and he had on 2:07:42.640 --> 2:07:52.080 like very thin leathers. Did you have yes. So the 2:07:52.160 --> 2:07:56.080 point was that I was noticing that, Wow, he's really 2:07:56.880 --> 2:07:59.040 singing the ship out of this song like his life 2:07:59.080 --> 2:08:01.360 depends on it. And then when I looked to the left, 2:08:02.080 --> 2:08:04.240 I was like, oh God, he's showing off. And the 2:08:04.360 --> 2:08:07.240 thing was when he slid and imagine like sliding the 2:08:07.280 --> 2:08:13.120 home plate, he just basically sliced his entire side of 2:08:13.160 --> 2:08:15.920 his pants off. So I mean, he wasn't naked. It 2:08:16.040 --> 2:08:18.600 was just that when she mentioned voodoo and soul aquarians, 2:08:19.440 --> 2:08:21.880 it just triggered, wait a minute, we did it show 2:08:21.960 --> 2:08:35.280 together and D'Angelo not only split his pants, a mirror 2:08:35.360 --> 2:08:39.960 ruins another moment. Thank you for the compliments. No, I 2:08:40.160 --> 2:08:43.840 wasn't okay, Maybe I was psychologically deflecting the compliment, but 2:08:45.120 --> 2:08:45.760 what is it like. 2:08:45.840 --> 2:08:48.640 To have a mir and Rafaela that's interesting on this 2:08:48.760 --> 2:08:49.520 last album, Like. 2:08:49.840 --> 2:08:51.640 He explained everyone on this record. 2:08:51.800 --> 2:08:55.840 A lot of these songs I actually just wrote like 2:08:56.080 --> 2:08:57.280 sketches of to the. 2:08:57.360 --> 2:09:02.320 Piano, like Rise when I'm came, I had already sketched 2:09:02.360 --> 2:09:07.240 it out on my little struggle piano course, And it 2:09:07.440 --> 2:09:10.040 is a very vulnerable thing to like share that with 2:09:10.160 --> 2:09:18.360 someone and hopes to build it into something tangible. And yeah, 2:09:18.600 --> 2:09:23.480 Amyor and Ray and Greek came over one night and 2:09:23.840 --> 2:09:26.520 I just like you know, kept playing it and singing 2:09:26.600 --> 2:09:30.240 it on the piano, and they started to build soundscapes. 2:09:30.720 --> 2:09:34.920 So a lot of these sessions happened like that. In 2:09:35.080 --> 2:09:40.760 the case of Raphael, who is just so so wonderful. 2:09:42.200 --> 2:09:47.000 I had actually thought that the album was pretty much done, 2:09:47.560 --> 2:09:52.680 and I went to New Iberia, a little town maybe 2:09:53.880 --> 2:10:00.400 two hours north of New Orleans two you know, finished 2:10:00.440 --> 2:10:03.760 writing the album and I actually produced a great deal 2:10:03.840 --> 2:10:07.160 of it there as well, and I had a lot 2:10:07.200 --> 2:10:13.320 of program sounds that I was working with, and towards 2:10:13.400 --> 2:10:19.320 the end, I felt like an order for the album 2:10:19.480 --> 2:10:22.280 to punch in that way that I wanted to replace 2:10:22.440 --> 2:10:27.760 a lot of my digital sounds and replaced the sens 2:10:27.880 --> 2:10:32.200 with piano and live bas and live drums. And I 2:10:32.280 --> 2:10:37.320 actually took it to quite a few different people, and 2:10:38.800 --> 2:10:42.120 I won't name them, although I want. 2:10:41.960 --> 2:10:44.560 To, but. 2:10:46.040 --> 2:10:50.840 Raphael was actually the person that I played it for 2:10:51.360 --> 2:10:56.880 and immediately had the chemistry that a I was going 2:10:56.960 --> 2:11:00.600 to have someone who really respected my vision and really 2:11:00.760 --> 2:11:05.080 respected my voice. And I think as a songwriter and 2:11:05.160 --> 2:11:08.840 a producer, as a woman, I've been very very sensitive 2:11:09.280 --> 2:11:14.920 about my role in my art and how a lot 2:11:15.000 --> 2:11:18.400 of times when you invite that space open for men 2:11:19.160 --> 2:11:21.920 that it's just nature of the beast that they get 2:11:21.960 --> 2:11:28.040 a lot of credit for that. And I felt like Raphael, 2:11:28.600 --> 2:11:30.960 I knew that I was in good hands, and I 2:11:31.080 --> 2:11:35.040 knew that he would respect my vision and just be 2:11:35.200 --> 2:11:40.080 there to elevate it, and that he did. And he 2:11:40.440 --> 2:11:45.200 did such a phenomenal job of translating these sounds and 2:11:45.320 --> 2:11:50.280 making them that much richer and making them, you know, 2:11:50.640 --> 2:11:53.960 cut through his baselines, just cut through so. 2:11:56.160 --> 2:12:02.920 Emotionally, and they're like just like a direct connection of 2:12:03.040 --> 2:12:03.760 God's space. 2:12:03.920 --> 2:12:07.840 I feel like, you know, is that and on. 2:12:09.840 --> 2:12:10.520 It is? 2:12:12.760 --> 2:12:17.000 So Yeah. Essentially, the album went in three parts. 2:12:17.720 --> 2:12:25.320 I had the preliminary writing, just concepts that I sketched 2:12:25.360 --> 2:12:29.720 out to piano. Then I had jam sessions with a 2:12:29.840 --> 2:12:36.320 number of people of Samfa being one of them, Dave 2:12:36.400 --> 2:12:38.000 long Street being one of. 2:12:38.040 --> 2:12:42.160 Them, amazing from thirty Projectors, Yes. 2:12:43.000 --> 2:12:46.080 Whose drum sounds are incredible, and. 2:12:47.880 --> 2:12:51.400 So yeah, I kind of like assorted all of these 2:12:51.840 --> 2:12:55.880 people from all different worlds into a space and for 2:12:56.200 --> 2:13:02.680 a few weeks we just jammed and and I essentially 2:13:02.840 --> 2:13:07.880 took those damn sessions, lots of them an hour long, 2:13:08.760 --> 2:13:14.120 and produced them into four minute songs. And then I 2:13:14.280 --> 2:13:17.560 went and wrote and filled in all of my lyrics 2:13:17.720 --> 2:13:22.760 and melodies to those, and then I took it to 2:13:23.040 --> 2:13:28.839 Raphael and we you know, elevated a lot of those sounds, 2:13:29.000 --> 2:13:31.680 so it went in three different parts. But it was 2:13:31.840 --> 2:13:34.600 just really just such an honor to have everyone who 2:13:34.720 --> 2:13:40.120 worked on the project, in the spirit of collaboration, just 2:13:41.280 --> 2:13:43.760 have those experiences where we could just. 2:13:44.640 --> 2:13:48.000 Let it go in the music, to them all believe 2:13:48.080 --> 2:13:50.280 in your vision, yes it does. 2:13:50.320 --> 2:13:51.440 And to trust me with it. 2:13:52.000 --> 2:13:59.920 And again because it was such a male oriented set 2:14:00.240 --> 2:14:06.160 of musicians and producers, also having the utmost respect and 2:14:07.600 --> 2:14:11.080 you know, being clear that I was leading the process, 2:14:11.760 --> 2:14:14.840 and I think that that was something in the past, 2:14:15.000 --> 2:14:18.400 especially starting off as a little I feel like I'm 2:14:18.520 --> 2:14:21.160 like a little writer baby, like got I signed my 2:14:21.240 --> 2:14:24.680 publishing deal when I was fifteen, and I would be 2:14:24.960 --> 2:14:28.400 in sessions, you know, every day in LA I would 2:14:28.440 --> 2:14:30.920 go there for a week and a lot of people 2:14:30.960 --> 2:14:33.800 don't know how those things work, but they're very tedious 2:14:33.960 --> 2:14:37.200 and a lot of times you just feel really vulnerable. 2:14:37.400 --> 2:14:39.920 You just meet a producer and then it's just like 2:14:40.520 --> 2:14:44.360 write a song. Or I would go to Miami like 2:14:44.600 --> 2:14:47.920 Circle House Studios and it be like a bad boy 2:14:48.080 --> 2:14:51.680 writing camp and you're just there with like twenty producers. 2:14:51.840 --> 2:14:56.600 And as a young girl navigating that world with primarily 2:14:56.800 --> 2:15:02.560 male producers and leading that a lot of times I 2:15:02.600 --> 2:15:05.760 would have to fight for my voice to be heard 2:15:06.920 --> 2:15:10.720 outside of just like here's the song. And so this 2:15:10.960 --> 2:15:16.560 was a really special environment to create that because I 2:15:16.680 --> 2:15:19.040 do think it's important to note that though the album 2:15:20.200 --> 2:15:27.560 is overall the expression of the black plight and our 2:15:27.680 --> 2:15:31.320 social issues, it's written through the lens of a black woman, 2:15:32.160 --> 2:15:36.400 and naturally that's going to resonate with black women in 2:15:36.480 --> 2:15:41.280 a very specific way. So I think having that male 2:15:41.600 --> 2:15:45.080 energy just in terms of being in the space really 2:15:45.160 --> 2:15:46.600 translates on the production. 2:15:46.960 --> 2:15:49.640 I know a lot of nighgas who are like them. 2:15:49.680 --> 2:15:50.480 Beats is hard. 2:15:52.280 --> 2:15:54.880 Your record is like the modern day equivalent of like 2:15:55.080 --> 2:16:00.840 My Life by Mary It is my sh because it 2:16:01.000 --> 2:16:03.000 was just one of those records that I mean as 2:16:03.040 --> 2:16:04.680 a man, I mean I like the record. 2:16:04.720 --> 2:16:06.240 I was like, Okay, yeah, this is dope. But like 2:16:06.440 --> 2:16:09.360 women like it's so crazy though, men. 2:16:10.840 --> 2:16:12.240 Really really. 2:16:13.600 --> 2:16:14.800 Like every day. 2:16:16.760 --> 2:16:21.640 Like blasting cranes like it's got bars. So that's been 2:16:21.800 --> 2:16:22.960 like really phenomenal. 2:16:23.120 --> 2:16:25.480 Definitely, can't deny that baseline, can. 2:16:25.440 --> 2:16:29.400 Deny that ray based man, So yeah, it was. It 2:16:29.560 --> 2:16:30.080 was awesome. 2:16:30.320 --> 2:16:32.120 We didn't even get a chance to talk about like 2:16:32.360 --> 2:16:35.440 the visuals that went like cranes and don't touch my 2:16:35.520 --> 2:16:37.600 hair and what you and Allen came together do and 2:16:38.840 --> 2:16:41.960 I read the whole cinematographer from Daughters of the Dust 2:16:42.120 --> 2:16:42.400 like that. 2:16:43.879 --> 2:16:47.520 July dashed but the cineatographer director of that. 2:16:47.680 --> 2:16:50.520 But you just got a lot of energy between the 2:16:50.680 --> 2:16:52.839 images and then the choreography. 2:16:53.959 --> 2:16:55.280 It's a lot thank you. 2:16:55.720 --> 2:17:01.800 I have to say that honestly creating these visuals with 2:17:02.080 --> 2:17:06.000 Alan was such a phenomenal experience, and I don't think 2:17:06.080 --> 2:17:10.800 that anyone else could have translated the way that I 2:17:10.959 --> 2:17:15.400 see the world better than him. And he put his 2:17:16.040 --> 2:17:19.600 motherfucking foot and back and elbow and everything he does 2:17:19.680 --> 2:17:22.640 look so cool that yes, and there was a journey, 2:17:22.879 --> 2:17:28.640 you know, we we started off with the AJS and 2:17:29.320 --> 2:17:31.920 all of you know, the crew of twenty five when 2:17:32.000 --> 2:17:34.880 we first embarked on the journey of this video, but 2:17:34.959 --> 2:17:37.880 we actually ended it just the two of us. So 2:17:38.280 --> 2:17:41.960 most of what you see in Crane specifically was actually 2:17:42.320 --> 2:17:47.039 shot by Alan holding the camera himself, hiking up mountains, 2:17:47.080 --> 2:17:51.800 across the rivers and doing that, you know, through love. 2:17:51.959 --> 2:17:53.720 So what was y'all like, Like, did you guys sit 2:17:53.800 --> 2:17:56.440 down and say, let's pick out some images of direction 2:17:56.600 --> 2:17:57.120 that we're going? 2:17:57.240 --> 2:17:57.280 Like? 2:17:57.320 --> 2:18:02.720 What was the So I knew that I wanted to again, 2:18:03.200 --> 2:18:09.800 you know, really have a meditation and a reflection of 2:18:10.240 --> 2:18:12.440 the way that I see blackness in. 2:18:12.560 --> 2:18:18.480 This super regal, ornate, stately way, but also encompass just 2:18:19.360 --> 2:18:24.240 the vulnerability and the texture and the nuances, especially of 2:18:24.640 --> 2:18:29.920 the black woman, and the solidarity between us and the sisterhood, 2:18:31.760 --> 2:18:34.440 especially for Cranes, because I feel like so much of 2:18:34.480 --> 2:18:37.520 those things that I'm trying to work out through the song, 2:18:37.760 --> 2:18:41.520 like black women, I can identify so closely to that. 2:18:42.240 --> 2:18:45.480 So it was really about me, like emotionally mood boarding 2:18:45.600 --> 2:18:48.480 first and then I just started looking up all these 2:18:48.560 --> 2:18:55.440 locations that either felt like very regal or almost in 2:18:55.560 --> 2:18:59.879 this Grecian way, but wanting to see black people presented 2:19:00.080 --> 2:19:04.880 it in that way. And then for Cranes, I essentially 2:19:05.040 --> 2:19:08.120 wanted to create this meditation of like moving through all 2:19:08.200 --> 2:19:11.200 of these spaces still trying to work this shit out. 2:19:12.000 --> 2:19:16.840 And that literally took us from New Orleans to Houston, 2:19:17.760 --> 2:19:23.760 to Lubbock, to Austin, to Big Ben National Park, to 2:19:24.040 --> 2:19:26.919 Santa Fe to White Sands, New Mexico. 2:19:28.600 --> 2:19:30.439 To get all of those landscapes. 2:19:31.240 --> 2:19:35.760 And yeah, like I basically moved boarded all of that. 2:19:36.240 --> 2:19:38.920 I shared it with Alan, I said this is my vision, 2:19:39.480 --> 2:19:42.560 how can we do this? And he just went to 2:19:42.680 --> 2:19:46.320 the trenches like and mapped out all of the ways 2:19:46.400 --> 2:19:49.840 that we could do that and assembled a team that 2:19:50.000 --> 2:19:51.640 he felt could put forth that. 2:19:51.879 --> 2:19:54.920 But I have to say, like we started off with 2:19:55.920 --> 2:19:56.480 a crew of. 2:19:56.560 --> 2:20:01.640 About twenty two people and we he went from and 2:20:01.720 --> 2:20:04.400 we were in two RV's and we went from all 2:20:04.440 --> 2:20:07.080 those cities that I said, And towards the end of it, 2:20:07.160 --> 2:20:13.440 everyone was so burnt out, tired, frustrated, hungry, sleepy, yes, 2:20:14.840 --> 2:20:19.720 that they all went home and Alan, being the director 2:20:19.840 --> 2:20:23.560 that he is said, there's still so much of this 2:20:23.760 --> 2:20:27.120 that we don't have. There's still so many pieces of 2:20:27.280 --> 2:20:31.400 this storytelling that we did not complete. And he went 2:20:31.560 --> 2:20:35.800 to Enterprise and rented a van and we did the 2:20:35.879 --> 2:20:40.320 trip all over again, from New Orleans to New Mexico 2:20:40.560 --> 2:20:43.800 in a van with just him and I and four 2:20:43.920 --> 2:20:51.720 other people, and he actually depeed the shoot he directed 2:20:51.840 --> 2:20:58.840 defeat catered and I think that the beautiful car. I 2:20:58.959 --> 2:21:02.720 definitely did that. It's the whole twenty three hour drive. 2:21:04.560 --> 2:21:08.800 But I have to say that I had so many reservations. 2:21:08.879 --> 2:21:12.040 We've been together eight years. Amir has been there like 2:21:12.280 --> 2:21:16.400 from the time I met him until now, and I've 2:21:16.480 --> 2:21:19.360 always been a fan of his work. Likewise, he's always 2:21:19.360 --> 2:21:22.920 been a fan of mine, but we've never bridged that 2:21:23.120 --> 2:21:26.360 gap creatively because I was so scared that it would 2:21:26.400 --> 2:21:27.120 fuck shuit up. 2:21:28.040 --> 2:21:34.600 And it made it. It made the art itself. I 2:21:34.760 --> 2:21:38.240 feel like you see and experience. 2:21:37.800 --> 2:21:41.840 So much love and magic when you're watching those and 2:21:42.320 --> 2:21:45.040 I think that was really through the lens of what 2:21:45.200 --> 2:21:49.840 we put into it together. And again, like you're with someone, 2:21:50.000 --> 2:21:52.160 you see the way that they see the world, and 2:21:54.200 --> 2:21:56.320 that scene and don't touch my hair at the very 2:21:56.520 --> 2:21:59.519 end when we're all on the steps and I'm dancing. 2:22:01.480 --> 2:22:08.359 Like that scene. Specifically, I remember trying to coordinate this ripple. 2:22:08.120 --> 2:22:10.360 Because I did all of the choreography and all of 2:22:10.400 --> 2:22:13.480 the videos with like one hundred people who weren't dancers, 2:22:13.760 --> 2:22:14.440 like and now. 2:22:14.320 --> 2:22:15.840 We're gonna do this, and then you do this. 2:22:16.000 --> 2:22:17.039 I was wondering who all those. 2:22:16.879 --> 2:22:24.240 People are so long just friends, right, No, those those 2:22:24.360 --> 2:22:28.840 were just New Orleans magical people. But we spend so 2:22:29.000 --> 2:22:31.880 much time trying to like coordinate all of this dance 2:22:31.920 --> 2:22:36.320 stuff that we were losing light and everybody on set 2:22:36.520 --> 2:22:38.800 was saying it's too dark, we can't shoot it, We're 2:22:38.800 --> 2:22:42.039 gonna have to reshoot it, and Alan saying the right 2:22:42.560 --> 2:22:48.199 the light just got right, Like the darkness, the birthlaze 2:22:48.360 --> 2:22:49.040 is what we need. 2:22:49.280 --> 2:22:52.800 This doesn't need sunlight. It's not bright, it's not cheery. 2:22:53.000 --> 2:22:54.080 This is the mood. 2:22:54.680 --> 2:22:57.720 So it was just things like that that I really. 2:22:57.600 --> 2:23:04.000 Really appreciated, you know, having to explain myself choreography, thank you. 2:23:04.360 --> 2:23:04.760 I don't know. 2:23:04.879 --> 2:23:08.119 It's like, I don't even know what you call between 2:23:08.200 --> 2:23:12.000 modern dance and I don't even know, especially what you 2:23:12.080 --> 2:23:12.960 did on Saturdy ny Line. 2:23:13.120 --> 2:23:15.320 What do you what was what influences that. I don't 2:23:15.320 --> 2:23:16.760 mean to get all gross on. 2:23:18.920 --> 2:23:21.720 I'm sorry, but the choreography is kind of amazing, and 2:23:21.800 --> 2:23:24.160 it's not it's she ball because that's not where you 2:23:24.280 --> 2:23:24.920 first started. 2:23:25.040 --> 2:23:28.680 So yeah, I think I've had such an interesting relationship 2:23:28.760 --> 2:23:31.800 with dance, being that I actually thought that I was 2:23:31.920 --> 2:23:36.040 gonna be a modern dancer growing up. That's what I 2:23:36.200 --> 2:23:39.280 wanted to be. I wanted to go to Juilliard. And 2:23:39.440 --> 2:23:42.640 then when I started to dance for Destiny Shot, I 2:23:44.480 --> 2:23:47.120 was doing hip hop, but I was looking absolutely crazy 2:23:47.240 --> 2:23:50.200 at that, like that was just not the way that 2:23:50.360 --> 2:23:54.119 my body language really spoke that I was trying. 2:23:54.959 --> 2:23:58.320 And I think maybe, like really like. 2:24:00.160 --> 2:24:03.320 Six years ago, as my son got older, as I 2:24:03.440 --> 2:24:06.120 got more confident in who I was and who I 2:24:06.280 --> 2:24:08.320 was becoming, I was just like, fuck it, this is 2:24:08.480 --> 2:24:11.480 actually how I move, this is when I'm at home, 2:24:11.720 --> 2:24:16.920 this is actually how I communicate. And I remember even 2:24:17.040 --> 2:24:22.280 through true like when I started really expressing myself in 2:24:22.360 --> 2:24:23.760 that way, people being like what. 2:24:23.920 --> 2:24:28.680 The fuck is this ship? Now I feel like people 2:24:28.760 --> 2:24:31.200 are like, Okay, that's just what it is. 2:24:31.480 --> 2:24:34.240 But I don't think people would question that though. 2:24:34.160 --> 2:24:36.120 Because oh yeah, people are like. 2:24:36.440 --> 2:24:42.240 Really like what she doing? People still question not I 2:24:42.320 --> 2:24:45.640 mean no, I think now my cousins and friends are 2:24:45.760 --> 2:24:46.440 like no. 2:24:46.680 --> 2:24:50.640 I meant like, you know, just people reacting to the 2:24:50.959 --> 2:24:56.160 visuals online and stuff. But I think that consistency is 2:24:56.240 --> 2:24:58.840 so key and like now that it's just like no, 2:24:59.000 --> 2:25:01.800 this is just the way I'm moving and sharing it. 2:25:02.720 --> 2:25:05.720 It's it's really cool doing it with the band because 2:25:05.879 --> 2:25:09.119 like you know, two of the dudes are like thea's from. 2:25:09.000 --> 2:25:09.760 New Orleans. 2:25:11.560 --> 2:25:12.280 Over here, but. 2:25:14.080 --> 2:25:19.080 Everybody has just been so and trusting. So I actually 2:25:19.959 --> 2:25:26.920 enlisted PJ. Harvey Oh Wow to help me find musicians 2:25:26.959 --> 2:25:31.520 in New Orleans, and he he auditioned a bunch of 2:25:31.640 --> 2:25:37.360 kids from Loyola and Diler and just New Orleans based musicians, 2:25:38.120 --> 2:25:41.640 and I came in at the end and we did 2:25:41.800 --> 2:25:43.320 like chemistry tests. 2:25:43.720 --> 2:25:46.600 And then it was like, well can you dance? And 2:25:46.760 --> 2:25:53.440 everybody was like, well, like what, So I showed them 2:25:53.520 --> 2:26:03.400 some moves and that actually eliminated like for people. But 2:26:04.840 --> 2:26:08.160 it's such a strong part of of how I like 2:26:09.040 --> 2:26:10.520 envision the show that. 2:26:11.560 --> 2:26:13.680 Matter of fact, I've not seen the show where you're 2:26:13.720 --> 2:26:16.240 being you're being kind to put just a shame because 2:26:16.320 --> 2:26:20.360 you know, the time be doing like I definitely when 2:26:21.680 --> 2:26:24.520 when she when she Uh did the Roots picnic like 2:26:24.760 --> 2:26:27.600 two or three years ago, he was jamming on stage 2:26:27.640 --> 2:26:30.400 and was like, damn, we don't got no choreography. 2:26:31.520 --> 2:26:33.240 Oh my god, I want to do it more for 2:26:33.360 --> 2:26:43.320 other people. So if you want so, yeah, graciously gracious 2:26:43.920 --> 2:26:45.600 because it brings me so much. 2:26:45.720 --> 2:26:46.560 Jo please do that. 2:26:48.760 --> 2:26:51.080 And mark all day because you're like the young ones 2:26:51.120 --> 2:26:51.680 up making work. 2:26:51.800 --> 2:26:55.680 How are you going to deal with this presentation live? 2:26:56.840 --> 2:27:01.040 Because I'm still see this album from beginning to end. 2:27:01.240 --> 2:27:03.640 I see it as a sweet and I don't see 2:27:03.640 --> 2:27:04.640 it in concert. I see it. 2:27:06.000 --> 2:27:07.960 I love that you thought you were like texting me 2:27:08.040 --> 2:27:10.160 that as if I was not already working. 2:27:09.920 --> 2:27:14.320 Thinking about that. That It wasn't that. It's just that 2:27:15.240 --> 2:27:20.160 the album had moved certain people so much that they 2:27:20.240 --> 2:27:22.480 wanted to be a part of history. Even when I 2:27:22.560 --> 2:27:25.640 called you to congratulate you on the record, I forgot 2:27:25.680 --> 2:27:28.960 I was on the record you did. 2:27:29.040 --> 2:27:30.320 I don't wait for you to tell us, But I 2:27:30.400 --> 2:27:31.959 was like, forget it no, And she. 2:27:32.040 --> 2:27:34.720 Got mad at me because like I didn't. It was 2:27:34.760 --> 2:27:38.960 a going on, Like Yo, why did you instagram about it? 2:27:39.800 --> 2:27:42.400 I forgot I was on it first saw. 2:27:43.840 --> 2:27:45.720 And those are popping. 2:27:46.000 --> 2:27:48.960 No, But you know, I was just I was so 2:27:49.920 --> 2:27:54.600 amazed by the record. I totally forgot that. I thought 2:27:54.640 --> 2:27:57.560 she took me off the record, you know, and. 2:27:58.600 --> 2:27:58.800 It was. 2:28:00.879 --> 2:28:01.279 Everyone. 2:28:01.320 --> 2:28:03.760 Well, no, it was makes so different that I couldn't 2:28:03.800 --> 2:28:05.680 tell that that was you. I got you. Yeah, And 2:28:05.760 --> 2:28:07.960 that's the thing. I just thought, Oh, okay, well you 2:28:08.000 --> 2:28:08.480 should I. 2:28:09.160 --> 2:28:13.440 With those drums. I had fun like mixing and queuing 2:28:13.680 --> 2:28:16.840 and panning and all of that. But I remember that 2:28:17.040 --> 2:28:20.560 day so so well because that was the first time 2:28:21.040 --> 2:28:24.240 that I had shared my sketches with anyone, and I 2:28:24.400 --> 2:28:28.320 remember being really really scared of adding drums on it. 2:28:28.440 --> 2:28:30.720 And you were like, come on, son, like I'm gonna 2:28:30.760 --> 2:28:34.360 keep this farce and go in and I was like, 2:28:34.480 --> 2:28:35.320 of course you are. 2:28:35.480 --> 2:28:37.840 But it was still a lot of trust. 2:28:38.040 --> 2:28:41.440 I was too, because I sometimes call you the Queen 2:28:41.520 --> 2:28:41.760 of No. 2:28:42.480 --> 2:28:51.199 So it's true. I've been known to say no came 2:28:51.240 --> 2:28:53.199 out phenomenon. I'm so gracious. 2:28:53.560 --> 2:28:55.440 So I don't know, like I don't I don't want 2:28:55.480 --> 2:29:00.760 to name any names of people. But the way that 2:29:00.840 --> 2:29:05.080 I see this presentation like it's almost as if I 2:29:05.320 --> 2:29:08.880 wish you were and I feel like you will be 2:29:09.520 --> 2:29:11.680 or you could already be in a position where you 2:29:11.760 --> 2:29:16.680 could present this on a unnamed artist with the letter 2:29:16.760 --> 2:29:20.560 K and his name, like what he would do to 2:29:20.720 --> 2:29:29.960 his show floating stages the letter Oh, Kanye, I know 2:29:30.160 --> 2:29:32.400 this show is not going to be a normal presentation. 2:29:33.000 --> 2:29:34.920 Yeah, so I'm excited. 2:29:35.000 --> 2:29:39.400 I've been developing some ideas for the last couple of 2:29:39.440 --> 2:29:43.600 weeks and even through the SNL performance, like visualizing how 2:29:43.920 --> 2:29:46.680 that would carry out, and I'm really excited. 2:29:47.879 --> 2:29:53.039 I think that it's important for me to. 2:29:55.080 --> 2:29:57.880 One of the reasons, like I went to Stanford and 2:29:59.120 --> 2:30:01.600 had to talk because I wanted to ground the work 2:30:01.680 --> 2:30:03.560 in conversation and. 2:30:04.000 --> 2:30:10.640 Has Perry, Oh, she's so happened, No, she's not. 2:30:11.200 --> 2:30:17.640 No, but I want to be able to have that 2:30:17.840 --> 2:30:23.040 conversation really closely, and so even things like performing the 2:30:23.200 --> 2:30:27.120 album on a ground level where I'm able to be 2:30:27.600 --> 2:30:31.440 on the same physical level as people and look. 2:30:31.480 --> 2:30:34.280 Instead of the eyes yeah, looking down. 2:30:34.760 --> 2:30:38.200 Yeah, I'm really excited about working out how I can 2:30:38.320 --> 2:30:38.560 do that. 2:30:38.760 --> 2:30:41.200 But it's it's a lot of logistics. I've been working 2:30:41.280 --> 2:30:45.080 on it. But of course, when you know you're trying 2:30:45.160 --> 2:30:49.720 to present something in that way and work with other 2:30:50.120 --> 2:30:53.320 venues and vendors, and promoters and all of that. That 2:30:53.480 --> 2:30:57.120 stuff gets very complicated, but I'm working through it and 2:30:57.240 --> 2:30:58.760 I'm really really excited. 2:30:59.200 --> 2:31:01.480 I just I just think that I have to. 2:31:04.200 --> 2:31:08.320 The songs are so emotionally charged, and again, they feel 2:31:08.480 --> 2:31:11.160 so insular, and that even a lot of people have 2:31:11.280 --> 2:31:14.360 shared with me that they primarily listen to the album 2:31:14.480 --> 2:31:19.200 alone and that they feel kind of weird playing it 2:31:19.680 --> 2:31:20.920 in group settings. 2:31:22.280 --> 2:31:23.800 I feel the same. 2:31:23.720 --> 2:31:27.720 Way performing it and SNL was a big wake up 2:31:27.800 --> 2:31:30.880 call for me because I was emotionally charged in a 2:31:31.000 --> 2:31:35.720 way that I had never been performing before. Like my 2:31:35.920 --> 2:31:39.080 voice was shaking because of the words that I was 2:31:39.160 --> 2:31:43.240 saying and all of the things that were encompassing that 2:31:43.560 --> 2:31:47.120 in that moment, and who it was reaching and how 2:31:47.360 --> 2:31:54.000 it was reaching people who voted for Trump, and you know, 2:31:55.120 --> 2:31:58.560 just saying don't touch my hair, don't touch my pride, 2:31:59.080 --> 2:32:02.480 Like I have the hone in how emotionally I'm going 2:32:02.560 --> 2:32:07.280 to perform that without shaking because it's so fresh and 2:32:07.440 --> 2:32:12.960 it's so raw that I also have, like you know, 2:32:13.040 --> 2:32:17.040 the challenge of most of this stuff is intentionally falsetto 2:32:17.240 --> 2:32:20.800 and sweet, and like Minie Riperton and Serita Wright were 2:32:20.920 --> 2:32:25.440 huge influences in terms of vocal presentation for this, but 2:32:25.600 --> 2:32:30.600 that takes a great amount of air and control and stillness. 2:32:30.920 --> 2:32:36.800 But I'm saying things that are strong and aggressive. 2:32:37.760 --> 2:32:40.320 That's that's an awesome kind of contrast. 2:32:40.600 --> 2:32:44.520 Yeah, I mean it's intentional. It's intentional, but it's not 2:32:44.840 --> 2:32:48.400 easy to pull off live. And I feel like I 2:32:48.560 --> 2:32:53.320 have to have a great deal of meditation and control 2:32:53.560 --> 2:32:56.320 to be able to do that because a lot of 2:32:56.360 --> 2:33:01.160 people don't understand like the nuances of having to say 2:33:01.240 --> 2:33:03.600 these is one thing to put them on the record 2:33:04.160 --> 2:33:07.560 and say here you go, I'm gonna allow you to 2:33:07.680 --> 2:33:11.280 have a seat at this table and share this with you. 2:33:11.480 --> 2:33:16.240 It's another to deliver that face forward in full on 2:33:16.680 --> 2:33:19.160 and feel that kind of exposure. 2:33:19.320 --> 2:33:19.560 Yeah. 2:33:20.120 --> 2:33:22.480 I don't know. I'm just having brainstorming moments right now. 2:33:22.840 --> 2:33:26.080 And I feel like like b Yorick is someone that 2:33:26.160 --> 2:33:29.680 I've seen in concert a lot of times, and all 2:33:29.760 --> 2:33:31.280 of our presentations are just like. 2:33:31.360 --> 2:33:34.600 Some next level Yeah, they are the influence. 2:33:34.800 --> 2:33:37.880 She did one particular show in which she chose like 2:33:37.920 --> 2:33:42.400 a church in Harlem, oh Wow, and gathered the audience 2:33:42.959 --> 2:33:47.080 stood in a circle and she just sang everything a cappella. 2:33:47.240 --> 2:33:49.879 She just walked in the middle and just saying everything 2:33:49.920 --> 2:33:52.480 a cappella, no music, no nothing, just a very intimate 2:33:53.520 --> 2:33:57.600 her walking, no amplification, no microphone. But everyone attend that 2:33:57.680 --> 2:34:01.880 show still maintains that was like the most powerful music 2:34:02.040 --> 2:34:03.160 experience of their life. 2:34:03.360 --> 2:34:05.760 Like where you're going, I think that you have to 2:34:06.360 --> 2:34:11.720 really identify. I guess I've had to really identify, you know, 2:34:12.720 --> 2:34:15.400 what it is that I feel like I'm going to 2:34:15.600 --> 2:34:21.360 really really connect to and feel gravity and in that moment, 2:34:21.720 --> 2:34:26.080 like I realize now that I've gotten like award show 2:34:26.160 --> 2:34:29.640 offers and all of those things, and I realize now 2:34:29.720 --> 2:34:32.480 that that's not my space. I'm not going to never 2:34:32.560 --> 2:34:35.480 say never, I be open to it, but that's not 2:34:35.640 --> 2:34:39.880 the space right now that I'm reaching to connect with, 2:34:40.240 --> 2:34:51.440 like come February, Like yo, I don't think that that's 2:34:51.560 --> 2:34:54.560 why I feel like I thrive, And that could change 2:34:54.800 --> 2:34:55.920 and I could work at it. 2:34:56.120 --> 2:34:59.560 But I you could write your own ticket. 2:35:00.879 --> 2:35:08.520 I know, and that's that could evolve and that could 2:35:08.600 --> 2:35:11.480 change and I can feel differently and that's the cool 2:35:11.560 --> 2:35:16.720 thing about having, you know, I guess not putting the 2:35:16.879 --> 2:35:21.600 kind of pressure on myself to say, like if I 2:35:21.800 --> 2:35:24.800 do it and then basically. 2:35:24.520 --> 2:35:27.840 I don't know. Like the ESNL experience. 2:35:27.520 --> 2:35:30.680 Was very I feel really happy that I did it, 2:35:31.440 --> 2:35:33.680 But at the same time, I think that it reveals 2:35:33.800 --> 2:35:36.560 a lot to me about in what space I want 2:35:36.640 --> 2:35:40.080 to present this album in live. And it's like even 2:35:40.200 --> 2:35:44.560 the concept of FUBU is like, do I want to 2:35:44.720 --> 2:35:48.880 perform that song at Bonner? You know what I mean? Like, 2:35:49.800 --> 2:35:52.760 it's a lot that I'm like just working out as 2:35:52.840 --> 2:35:55.320 I go along, and that's fine, and it's okay. And 2:35:55.400 --> 2:35:58.880 I think as artists we should be able to be 2:35:59.040 --> 2:36:02.400 allowed to do that and change our minds and work 2:36:02.480 --> 2:36:05.360 it out and figure out what works best for us 2:36:05.600 --> 2:36:08.720 and our storytelling and that. 2:36:17.400 --> 2:36:21.800 All right, Well, this has been the most real question 2:36:21.840 --> 2:36:27.160 Love Supreme. Yeah ever Yeah, yeah, definitely our blackest episode 2:36:27.200 --> 2:36:29.960 by far. Matter of fact, we'll have some lounge in 2:36:30.000 --> 2:36:35.960 the reflections. All I've learned. I've learned that, uh, that 2:36:36.280 --> 2:36:43.200 master p Percy Miller such a soulful name, Percy, that 2:36:43.320 --> 2:36:48.880 Percy Miller, uh was a human being. And and I 2:36:49.040 --> 2:36:51.600 learned a lot about Matthew Knowles that I didn't know. 2:36:53.640 --> 2:37:00.400 I learned that Tina Noles controls the music. Matter of fact, Uh, 2:37:00.560 --> 2:37:06.000 boss Bill, this this is my Serrito DJ list. Read 2:37:06.080 --> 2:37:12.520 the highlighted blue playlist on the left. This is this 2:37:12.720 --> 2:37:16.640 is my only challenging This is a very serious I 2:37:16.760 --> 2:37:20.640 named my playlist after you know. It could be Saturday nights, 2:37:20.720 --> 2:37:23.480 it could be that at our wedding. But that's called 2:37:23.560 --> 2:37:30.000 what Tina Knowle's Gonna Love Me? Dak dat? What is 2:37:30.040 --> 2:37:32.000 in that play? What's in that Tina and Lowell's Gonna 2:37:32.000 --> 2:37:35.960 Love Me playlist? I've never had a client or an 2:37:35.959 --> 2:37:39.840 attendee at a quest love DJ gig that put more 2:37:40.800 --> 2:37:47.680 pressure on me than Tina Knowles. Seriously. I played for 2:37:48.520 --> 2:37:55.400 presidents and kings and whoever. But yeah, Tina Knowles is 2:37:55.879 --> 2:37:59.720 one of the hardest clients ever. So what does she does? 2:37:59.760 --> 2:38:03.000 She like, what's her what's her jams? Okay? 2:38:03.200 --> 2:38:04.880 And I'm assumed for her daughter as well. 2:38:05.120 --> 2:38:07.320 I will say so, it's really funny. 2:38:07.480 --> 2:38:10.560 It's like he played my my house party, and I 2:38:10.680 --> 2:38:15.880 think that she felt like he was playing stuff to safe. 2:38:16.040 --> 2:38:17.520 She thought I was playing too safe. 2:38:17.400 --> 2:38:20.120 Cater to her and she was like, no, I want 2:38:20.640 --> 2:38:21.680 the people to get turned. 2:38:21.760 --> 2:38:25.960 The quote was do you know who my son is 2:38:26.800 --> 2:38:27.320 at the time? 2:38:30.160 --> 2:38:32.039 Okay, because she wasn't playing her son. 2:38:32.040 --> 2:38:34.000 No, no, I was pretty okay in the beginning. 2:38:34.240 --> 2:38:37.760 He was just kind of player clean and real safe. 2:38:38.520 --> 2:38:43.280 Tell me, did you not tell me to just be 2:38:43.440 --> 2:38:45.760 careful because all types of people are going to be 2:38:45.800 --> 2:38:46.359 in attendance. 2:38:46.480 --> 2:38:47.840 I did, But I don't know. 2:38:48.160 --> 2:38:55.640 I guess like, like, yeah, she was like when he 2:38:55.800 --> 2:38:59.920 says that, she was like, do you know my son's language? 2:39:00.120 --> 2:39:03.039 You know that he says in his music, Like I'm 2:39:03.120 --> 2:39:07.039 not just like yeah, like play the ship. That's gonna 2:39:07.120 --> 2:39:07.680 keep the party. 2:39:08.160 --> 2:39:11.440 What she doesn't know is that in any party I 2:39:11.560 --> 2:39:19.240 will play Benny Goodman. Of course, I was doing the 2:39:19.320 --> 2:39:23.000 Quest Love thing, the all inclusive and it was like 2:39:23.720 --> 2:39:24.920 just cut to the chase and get to the. 2:39:28.280 --> 2:39:31.480 Just like playing with you gonna play like my mom 2:39:31.680 --> 2:39:33.960 was in the kitchen like handing out pizzas. 2:39:34.560 --> 2:39:39.800 Yeah she was. Yeah, she takes pictures at Costco Bro. 2:39:39.840 --> 2:39:40.840 I think she can handle. 2:39:42.480 --> 2:39:42.680 I was. 2:39:46.600 --> 2:39:49.160 I gotta say miss Tina that she's a very funny woman. 2:39:49.840 --> 2:39:52.640 The first time I met her was there's an MTV 2:39:52.720 --> 2:39:56.080 taping or something. She was backstage cutting up with Ed Lover. 2:39:56.640 --> 2:39:57.879 Just they're just cutting up. 2:39:58.480 --> 2:40:02.000 I believe she's just going Then I. 2:40:02.040 --> 2:40:06.840 Did a brief stint at Music World your father's company. Yeah, yeah, 2:40:07.080 --> 2:40:13.240 for like three months. The holiday party, we had it 2:40:13.280 --> 2:40:15.720 at some Chinese spot in the Chinese restaurant on the 2:40:15.840 --> 2:40:17.760 Lower East Side, and your mother did karaoke. 2:40:20.840 --> 2:40:23.400 I can't remember what she's saying. Are you seriously she 2:40:23.520 --> 2:40:25.840 did karaoke. I think I think I might have pictures 2:40:25.879 --> 2:40:27.120 of that. Oh might. 2:40:28.760 --> 2:40:31.520 I'm dying to know you. 2:40:32.120 --> 2:40:33.760 I want to say you were there early that night. 2:40:33.840 --> 2:40:35.640 You and your sister were there earlier in the night, 2:40:35.720 --> 2:40:37.280 and then you both left, and then they brought out 2:40:37.280 --> 2:40:38.439 the karaoke machine. 2:40:38.200 --> 2:40:44.240 And oh wow, Now my mom is fun time. She 2:40:44.480 --> 2:40:49.879 was there last night at the AFT party and my sister. 2:40:51.200 --> 2:40:53.920 Left and my mom was like riding with her back 2:40:54.000 --> 2:40:55.600 until she wanted to stay and get turned. 2:40:58.600 --> 2:41:08.720 So that's what I learned, Tina, turn up. No man, 2:41:09.040 --> 2:41:13.400 what have I learned? God? So much? To start? 2:41:14.480 --> 2:41:19.840 I learned that Solange is probably and I know you 2:41:19.879 --> 2:41:21.680 know you say you've heard it a lot, but I 2:41:21.760 --> 2:41:25.640 mean like, she's probably one of the most relatable. I 2:41:25.680 --> 2:41:29.040 won't say regular, because regular that signifies something that's like, 2:41:29.920 --> 2:41:33.520 you know, like ordinary, so and you're and you're not ordinary, 2:41:34.520 --> 2:41:35.680 but you're definitely one of. 2:41:35.680 --> 2:41:41.200 The most relatable people. That I think that I've had 2:41:41.280 --> 2:41:42.320 that we've had on the show. 2:41:43.000 --> 2:41:46.880 For me, just hearing about your background and as the 2:41:47.160 --> 2:41:49.320 as the mother of a son, you know what I'm saying, 2:41:49.520 --> 2:41:53.160 I have sons as well, and so there's a lot 2:41:53.400 --> 2:41:57.560 of there's a lot of common threads in your story 2:41:57.640 --> 2:41:59.400 and then a lot of stuff that I go through 2:41:59.440 --> 2:42:03.400 as well. And uh, just to hear that from someone 2:42:03.640 --> 2:42:07.480 who people would consider, you know, oh, well, she's a 2:42:07.560 --> 2:42:09.560 celebrity and she's this, she's that. It just kind of 2:42:09.600 --> 2:42:13.240 shows just that common thread of being black in America. 2:42:13.879 --> 2:42:16.880 You're never you can be on the Grammys and have 2:42:16.959 --> 2:42:19.280 a cousin in County jail. You know what I'm saying, Like, 2:42:19.400 --> 2:42:22.840 there's never you you ain't but that far removed from 2:42:23.400 --> 2:42:24.600 the bottom, you know what I mean. 2:42:25.160 --> 2:42:26.959 So so yeah, man, I just. 2:42:28.440 --> 2:42:32.039 You Once Liya once referred to me as the male Solange, 2:42:32.800 --> 2:42:34.000 and I understand that. 2:42:34.160 --> 2:42:40.800 Now Solange as the female Solange. Yeah, so it makes 2:42:40.840 --> 2:42:44.080 sense now we relate to each other yet very very free. 2:42:44.160 --> 2:42:45.440 I try to be free, but. 2:42:47.120 --> 2:42:49.960 And I have a greater understanding about the record now. 2:42:50.120 --> 2:42:52.920 I never I never looked at it. I never put 2:42:52.959 --> 2:42:55.760 it together. When you were talking about you know, being 2:42:55.800 --> 2:42:58.280 a dedication to your mom and your dad, even though 2:42:58.280 --> 2:43:00.640 they're not together now, just being able for them to 2:43:00.720 --> 2:43:06.160 tell their stories and you hearing that now as an adult, 2:43:06.280 --> 2:43:08.720 I think that's something that really resonated with me. I 2:43:08.760 --> 2:43:11.600 think as a kid, you just see your parents as 2:43:11.680 --> 2:43:15.080 like these super human people. But then once you get older, 2:43:15.120 --> 2:43:16.720 you just see them as just people. You know, you 2:43:16.959 --> 2:43:19.600 just realize that they're flawed, and they made mistakes and 2:43:20.280 --> 2:43:22.440 they did the best they could with whatever they had, 2:43:22.720 --> 2:43:23.360 you know what I'm saying. 2:43:23.520 --> 2:43:27.440 And so, yeah, man, Solange's a real chick. 2:43:27.520 --> 2:43:27.640 Man. 2:43:27.879 --> 2:43:34.320 I focused a long all right, paid, Yeah, what'd you 2:43:34.400 --> 2:43:40.280 learn to day? Man? Just like therapy. I'm telling you, 2:43:40.360 --> 2:43:46.240 it's like therapy. Come on the show. What did I learn? 2:43:47.480 --> 2:43:50.119 I learned two things. One I still don't know why 2:43:50.120 --> 2:43:54.480 I'm on this show, but I think bore I learned 2:43:54.480 --> 2:43:57.000 every time we're here. That like, I think I'm here 2:43:57.040 --> 2:43:59.800 to learn a lot, and I like that, and I 2:44:00.040 --> 2:44:02.400 think that I leave here every time being like, first 2:44:02.400 --> 2:44:04.640 of all, like at least texting one friend of mine, going, 2:44:04.920 --> 2:44:07.119 I still have no fucking idea why I invite me back, 2:44:07.160 --> 2:44:09.280 and to like what I what I learned, and I think. 2:44:09.640 --> 2:44:11.520 And the second thing is is talking about music like 2:44:11.760 --> 2:44:13.440 I don't know. We talk about this sometimes when when 2:44:13.520 --> 2:44:14.640 are we're artists? 2:44:14.720 --> 2:44:14.800 Right? 2:44:14.879 --> 2:44:18.080 We write music and fucking whatever, and it sometimes becomes 2:44:18.160 --> 2:44:20.800 really business oriented. And so since Soland's here, we should 2:44:20.800 --> 2:44:24.120 talk about her. You seem like, at your core such 2:44:24.120 --> 2:44:27.000 a fucking artist to me, and that's so, and that's 2:44:27.640 --> 2:44:29.600 and so like with me, it's like I write, I 2:44:29.680 --> 2:44:31.200 work on saysme Street. I do all this ship, but 2:44:31.240 --> 2:44:34.280 I feel like I get confused sometimes about when it's 2:44:34.320 --> 2:44:37.160 a business and when it's not. And I always I 2:44:37.320 --> 2:44:39.760 find myself more often than not, being like, this is 2:44:39.800 --> 2:44:41.000 what has to be done right now, this is what 2:44:41.040 --> 2:44:44.440 I'm doing, blah blah blah, and and neglecting the other 2:44:44.480 --> 2:44:46.120 side of it. And I don't think you ever do that. 2:44:46.440 --> 2:44:53.480 And I think that that's great, done out, sugar, Steve. 2:44:54.160 --> 2:44:57.560 Yes, would you learn me? Yeah? Would you learn Steve. 2:44:58.640 --> 2:45:00.440 I liked all the stuff you were saying about the 2:45:01.720 --> 2:45:05.240 way that you feel about having a responsibility to the past. 2:45:05.520 --> 2:45:08.320 Maybe your father had felt that way or burdens. I'm 2:45:08.320 --> 2:45:11.480 not sure the phrase you put on it, but I 2:45:11.680 --> 2:45:15.640 liked all that. I'm a nostalgic person I'm somewhat archival 2:45:15.800 --> 2:45:18.240 and historian, and you know. 2:45:19.480 --> 2:45:25.680 Your recording engineer, well, he was one of the engineers 2:45:25.720 --> 2:45:26.279 of voodoo. 2:45:26.320 --> 2:45:28.119 By the way, I like your respect for the past 2:45:28.200 --> 2:45:32.720 and making people respect the influences of the of the 2:45:32.840 --> 2:45:35.560 artists we have now respect. 2:45:35.320 --> 2:45:39.800 On an a I was actually I didn't. 2:45:39.879 --> 2:45:41.320 I don't want to say I'd learned something, but you 2:45:41.440 --> 2:45:44.200 definitely reinforce something that's kind of been on my on 2:45:44.360 --> 2:45:47.040 my head for for a while with the whole you know, 2:45:47.280 --> 2:45:50.160 you sat and talked with your parents for a long 2:45:50.240 --> 2:45:52.400 time and asked them to tell you stories, and that's 2:45:52.560 --> 2:45:54.440 something I've really wanted to do for a very long 2:45:54.480 --> 2:45:57.040 time and just haven't had the opportunity to do. My 2:45:57.160 --> 2:45:59.720 parents are getting up there in the age. I don't 2:45:59.760 --> 2:46:01.160 know how much longer I'm going to have to do it, 2:46:01.320 --> 2:46:02.680 so you know, I need to hurt U from do it. 2:46:02.879 --> 2:46:06.360 So thank you kind of reinforces that. 2:46:06.520 --> 2:46:12.119 Means everything that episode Master where oh yeah, yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, 2:46:12.520 --> 2:46:19.320 yeah yeah. So Layah, Margaret really need first name. 2:46:20.320 --> 2:46:21.680 I don't want you to think that I just have 2:46:21.760 --> 2:46:27.200 an attribute. Okay, I wonder Margaret is my first name? 2:46:28.240 --> 2:46:30.760 Can you please tell us I don't have what you 2:46:30.920 --> 2:46:31.520 learned today. 2:46:32.720 --> 2:46:37.039 To be honest, mister Love, I haven't really learned much 2:46:37.160 --> 2:46:41.280 because I know a lot about launch. And also I 2:46:41.280 --> 2:46:42.840 would not take that back because that sounds like I 2:46:42.879 --> 2:46:43.400 didn't learn it. 2:46:43.600 --> 2:46:44.080 That's not true. 2:46:44.520 --> 2:46:47.960 I learned a lot of ship is she just reinforced to. 2:46:48.160 --> 2:46:50.160 I think me and the rest of the sisters that 2:46:50.240 --> 2:46:52.080 are listening that she is our sister in our head. 2:46:53.400 --> 2:46:56.040 I pray, I pray that you stay where you are 2:46:56.160 --> 2:46:59.040 on that whole. I can't perform these songs everywhere. I 2:46:59.080 --> 2:47:02.600 have to figure out. That's and because Solons, you don't, 2:47:02.600 --> 2:47:04.560 you can you can really do whatever the fuck you 2:47:04.640 --> 2:47:06.879 want to do. I do hope that you show up 2:47:06.879 --> 2:47:08.760 at the Grammys to get your award. But that don't 2:47:08.800 --> 2:47:10.600 mean that you got to say you understand what I'm saying. 2:47:10.640 --> 2:47:12.440 And but do figure out a way to perform for 2:47:12.600 --> 2:47:15.600 us by us, because they need to know. And I 2:47:15.680 --> 2:47:18.400 would just say that I've learned that you are super dope. 2:47:18.400 --> 2:47:20.240 We already thank you the world. 2:47:20.600 --> 2:47:22.760 Well, since you work here now, Salons, you got to 2:47:23.040 --> 2:47:34.880 round it out. Oh god, wow, don't focus on spread 2:47:35.240 --> 2:47:42.000 spread their life. Okay. I got a lot of patience 2:47:42.160 --> 2:47:45.000 because I know they would be sleeping right now. 2:47:45.480 --> 2:47:48.240 No, I'm really really happy to be here, and to 2:47:48.400 --> 2:47:52.440 be quite honest, I learned that there are safe spaces 2:47:54.160 --> 2:47:57.720 for storytelling, and I'm so happy that you guys created 2:47:57.800 --> 2:48:03.480 this platform to to have that safe space. And I've 2:48:03.560 --> 2:48:07.880 been really really protective about how to speak about this 2:48:08.040 --> 2:48:11.680 album because I feel like it's so explicitly spelled out 2:48:11.800 --> 2:48:13.920 on the album that it almost feels like, do I 2:48:14.040 --> 2:48:16.760 need to talk about it? But this was such a 2:48:17.000 --> 2:48:20.840 such a great start, and you guys are also kind 2:48:20.959 --> 2:48:23.480 and funny and charming and nerdy and. 2:48:28.000 --> 2:48:28.440 Everybody. 2:48:35.959 --> 2:48:38.640 I also learned that a mean cannot take a compliment. 2:48:40.400 --> 2:48:43.040 He needs to work on that. I learned that I 2:48:43.160 --> 2:48:46.120 sat next to the man that I had Twitter beef with, 2:48:49.520 --> 2:48:52.240 that I sat next to someone who actually used to 2:48:52.320 --> 2:48:54.760 work with my family, and saw my mom do karaoke. 2:48:55.480 --> 2:48:57.000 This is the ultimate fans. 2:48:58.879 --> 2:49:02.640 Now, this was really awesome. It was really good therapy 2:49:03.200 --> 2:49:06.560 from like the come down of last night. I woke 2:49:06.680 --> 2:49:10.000 up being really hard on myself and feeling actually kind 2:49:10.040 --> 2:49:11.080 of bummed and sad. 2:49:11.560 --> 2:49:15.039 Really, yeah, I do that brought way too much joy 2:49:15.080 --> 2:49:16.959 to be feeling like that. You have to remind yourself 2:49:17.000 --> 2:49:19.200 I'm so serious. You have to remind yourself. Sometimes your 2:49:19.280 --> 2:49:22.120 artists do that. He does that too, out of yourself. 2:49:22.520 --> 2:49:24.679 You're bringing people because it's selfish. 2:49:24.320 --> 2:49:26.960 To not do that. Yeah, I mean it's true. It's true. 2:49:27.720 --> 2:49:32.320 So this is such a great like closing to that, 2:49:32.680 --> 2:49:33.640 Thank you guys for that. 2:49:34.800 --> 2:49:47.600 Thank you nose ladies, gentlemen, on behalf of on, behalf 2:49:47.640 --> 2:49:53.000 of uh yeah, and unpaid Bill and Boss Bill and 2:49:53.160 --> 2:49:59.200 Sugar Steve. This is quest love supreme only on pan. Well, 2:49:59.280 --> 2:50:05.280 let me we gotta do. I didn't sign off. I 2:50:05.320 --> 2:50:09.440 didn't sign off. All right, So when Steve, when Steve 2:50:09.560 --> 2:50:12.800 stopped working at Electric Lady Studios where we are right now, 2:50:12.920 --> 2:50:17.039 where we are right now, Yes, he relocated to Philadelphia. Wait, 2:50:17.160 --> 2:50:20.000 can I just be Sugar Steve, like the cool version 2:50:20.040 --> 2:50:24.680 of Sugar version showing that you're sacrificing your life for 2:50:24.800 --> 2:50:29.520 brothers and sisters out there. Sugar, that's Steve. No, this 2:50:29.680 --> 2:50:34.040 is the best part of your thing. This it's funny. 2:50:34.200 --> 2:50:40.000 Every time we thought it was some sexy ship kind 2:50:40.040 --> 2:50:41.640 of sexualized. 2:50:42.600 --> 2:50:44.840 Where are we going? We're not going to keep it. 2:50:46.920 --> 2:50:50.600 It's unanimous. No, it's not. We'll tell you all in 2:50:50.680 --> 2:50:56.760 this room that the truth, raise your hands, damn even. 2:50:56.720 --> 2:51:04.440 Even it's a good story, a short one. 2:51:05.720 --> 2:51:10.120 Basically, when Steve moved to Philadelphia to be my full 2:51:10.200 --> 2:51:14.680 time engineer, UH, we were working on Pharrell's UH in 2:51:14.760 --> 2:51:18.240 My Mind record, and for those three weeks Steve basically 2:51:19.240 --> 2:51:22.680 adjusted his diet to my diet. 2:51:24.840 --> 2:51:27.480 I was just about to say, what was chomping? 2:51:29.920 --> 2:51:34.600 No one like Solange does Anyway, at the end of 2:51:34.640 --> 2:51:37.680 the day, at the end of the record, Steve wound 2:51:37.760 --> 2:51:41.959 up getting the sugars and is now has diabetes still 2:51:43.920 --> 2:51:52.240 levels the level of Solange's eyeballs songs were about lollipops 2:51:52.240 --> 2:51:52.720 and ice cream. 2:51:56.240 --> 2:52:00.520 Confused, did you really get he actually likes to take 2:52:00.560 --> 2:52:02.440 responsibility for this for some reason. 2:52:02.520 --> 2:52:05.840 But yeah, white people don't get diabetes on that level. 2:52:07.080 --> 2:52:09.119 And we pissed poor diet my whole life. It wasn't 2:52:09.480 --> 2:52:14.080 starting in Philly but culminating health. There was a soul 2:52:14.720 --> 2:52:17.160 was down the flock from the studio, so thus we 2:52:17.560 --> 2:52:21.000 ate there every night. It's like a recurring theme on 2:52:21.080 --> 2:52:21.959 the show for some reason. 2:52:22.240 --> 2:52:24.680 Well, that wasn't an era where you were like going 2:52:25.120 --> 2:52:29.240 super hard on that, like healthy microbatic. 2:52:30.200 --> 2:52:34.320 It was really annoying, so. 2:52:34.520 --> 2:52:45.400 Hot there were so much. I wasn't there for. 2:52:49.200 --> 2:52:49.959 South Street Diner. 2:52:50.680 --> 2:52:54.920 It was there for the mac and cheese. There's a 2:52:55.040 --> 2:53:01.959 lot of bone marrow marrow, never any Cavin Grunt. 2:53:06.120 --> 2:53:10.200 It was really hardcore and you are being really like 2:53:10.400 --> 2:53:12.360 kind of obnoxious. 2:53:11.760 --> 2:53:17.039 About this person really like me about food and ship, 2:53:18.360 --> 2:53:19.959 like literally calling me up. 2:53:19.959 --> 2:53:23.680 Like super foods are superfoods. 2:53:25.320 --> 2:53:29.480 And gentlemen on behalf of everybody. Quest Supreme, my name 2:53:29.520 --> 2:53:39.160 is Quest, loved this Bandora, good Night, What's Love? Supreme 2:53:39.320 --> 2:53:42.520 is a production of my Heart Radio. This classic episode 2:53:42.640 --> 2:53:48.440 was produced by the team at Pandora. For more podcasts 2:53:48.480 --> 2:53:52.000 from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 2:53:52.440 --> 2:53:54.160 or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.