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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 2: What up, y'all, it's unpaid bill from Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: As you may have seen throughout June, we are celebrating

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Speaker 2: black music a month. We are releasing an episode every day,

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Speaker 2: so every day you would either hear especially picked a

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Speaker 2: QLs classic, and on Wednesdays we are dropping new two

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Speaker 2: part episodes Wayne Brady and the legendary James Poyser, both

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Speaker 2: of which were filmed in studio. Black music is deeply

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Speaker 2: important to me and has been an influence throughout my

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Speaker 2: entire career. It's also something we celebrate here at QLs.

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Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen, during the first season of QLs, we

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Speaker 2: had Solange Knowles on the show. This was a special

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Speaker 2: and spirited conversation with a tremendous artist who was in

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Speaker 2: the season of an amazing album.

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Speaker 1: A set of the table.

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Speaker 3: Supremo Sun Supremo, Roll Call Suprema Sun Sun Supremo, Ro

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Speaker 3: Call Suprema s S Supremo, Ro Call Supreme Son Son

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Speaker 3: Supremo Role Call.

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Speaker 1: My name is Questlove. Yeah you got the message? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure like you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I say.

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Speaker 3: Supreme Supremo role came Suprema So Supprivo roll.

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Speaker 1: My name is Fante.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I am not bitter. Yeah, thank God is real life?

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Speaker 4: Yeah and we not on Twitter. Supre roll call Supremo

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Speaker 4: Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 1: My name is Sugar Yeah, hell so lunge. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: eat some but the cookies. Yeah and smoke some gun.

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Speaker 3: Suprema role called Suprema Son Son so Brea.

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Speaker 1: Role called Bill. Yeah, I ain't that legit. Yeah, back

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Speaker 1: with quest of Supreme. Yeah, I ain't got some ship.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Supreme Son Son Supremo role called Suprema Son Son Suprema.

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Speaker 5: Role call my name's like yeah, yeah, my day is made?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, cut so Lodge is here, Yeah, no shade roll call.

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Speaker 3: Supremo son Sign Suppremea roll call Supremo Son Supremo.

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Speaker 7: Roll come until is here? Yeah an electric Lady. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: So Lounge's new album. Yeah it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Rome Supprima Sun Sign Supremo role cal Supremo Sun Sun Supremo.

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Speaker 5: Roll called names Lone.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and I'm hungover. Yeah, ask me some week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah er Suprema Suprema roll call, Suprema son Sign Supremo.

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Speaker 3: Role called Suprema son Son Suprema roll called Supremo.

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Speaker 1: Supremo, dude in the ship that was that was wow

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Speaker 9: Used the five minutes on the record and everything that

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Speaker 9: was some ship five minutes before I thought of Yo,

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Speaker 9: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love

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Speaker 9: Supreme on Pandora.

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Speaker 1: We're broadcasting from the legendary Studio A at Electric Ladyes

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Speaker 1: Studios in New York. I'm your host Questlove, and we

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Speaker 1: have an incredible show for you today. Our guest is

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Speaker 1: an amazing singer. She's an amazing songwriter, dancer, choreographer, and

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Speaker 1: so much more. She recently released her critically acclaimed new

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Speaker 1: album called A Seat at the Table in my opinions,

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Speaker 1: one of the best albums of twenty sixteen. Uh Solange

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Speaker 1: But before we do, let's check in out with Team Supreme. Yes,

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Speaker 1: of course Love, Team Supreme. Yes, Uh Fante, you've been.

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Speaker 4: On the road, have you not? I have been on

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and I segregated vans okay because I am

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Speaker 4: from do y'all ask for a black.

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Speaker 1: And white man?

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Speaker 10: Were?

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Speaker 4: Now when we written the event, well, well we actually

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Speaker 4: we y'all drove to the West Coast. No, no, no,

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Speaker 4: it's the members. The black members are in one van

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Speaker 1: And make music. Wait, wait, through is there a difference

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Speaker 1: Now do we know? Straight up, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 4: There is a we a surprisingly it is is the

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Speaker 4: and the black man is the conservative man. Yeah we're

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Speaker 4: pretty conservative. Absolutely, No, no, that's no bullshit. We've been

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Speaker 1: Way to Detroit. Uh, dude, made us, made us get

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 6: Now, you are witnessing a reference to a Five Heartbeats movie.

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Speaker 1: Is that right? It was five heart Beats meat? But

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Speaker 1: you were right, You're right. But but nah, man, we

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Speaker 1: toured tours. Dope. I'm glad it's over, you know, because

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Speaker 4: Okay, we the parls of touring are just pretty much.

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Speaker 4: It disrupts your patterns. So whatever it is that you're

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Speaker 1: But I bet the road is good for someone who's

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Speaker 1: I feel like next door you and me, I'm coming

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you one got damn thing, Bill Sherman. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: come out here on your whole face. Man, listen.

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Speaker 1: Bro Oh my god, I'm gonna do it. No, no,

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Speaker 4: It's kind of candyass as it was, but it was

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Speaker 1: All the guys around, the guys right, they got to

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Speaker 1: back to our Alan lead show, like Brown Mark of

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Speaker 1: the Revolution used to always get fined more for like

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Speaker 4: Absolutely he couldn't go to nowhere. He did all that

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Speaker 4: I generally hated it. I'm not print but but I mean,

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Speaker 5: So much joy to the people.

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Speaker 6: T and plus I've been coming to Fontae shows. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I'm yo, I'm I'm good. I'm happy. I've been playing

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Quest Love Supreme Clon's no.

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Speaker 8: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: How are you? Solon?

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Speaker 8: I'm doing really really well.

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Speaker 1: What was drinking all? What was drinking all last night?

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Speaker 8: Tequila and wine?

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Speaker 8: Oh man, I'm honored to be here with all of

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Speaker 1: A special sweater for tonight?

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Speaker 5: That joint was so much.

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Speaker 8: Was beyond nervous.

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Speaker 8: That was the moment where it was like, Okay, this

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Speaker 1: Oh your comfort zone. Yeah, but I would think you've

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Speaker 8: Actually it was not you air yeah, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 10: Had three weeks? Okay, about a week of that time

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Speaker 1: But and that was your first time ever performing those

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Speaker 8: No, I think I did it as a personal retreat

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Speaker 10: I worked on the album over a three year course

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Speaker 8: But I always knew that for.

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Speaker 1: You told me at the very beginning of the recording

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Speaker 1: based on and I've been on uh where I reach

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Speaker 1: your that sounds stalky, like I'm always on your website,

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Speaker 8: I'm like he's also acting like we don't talk.

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Speaker 1: No, no, that's the thing. But that's the thing, like, yeah, no,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we built that friendship off of a ginuine friendship connection.

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Speaker 1: There was there was one entry on your site that

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Speaker 1: I guess we can call the the craft work incident. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when those injustices and those situations happened to you, because

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Speaker 10: Yes, but I will say before before I get into that,

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Speaker 8: It doesn't matter your class.

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Speaker 10: It doesn't matter how much money you have, what kind

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Speaker 8: That's just the lay of the land. Essentially.

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Speaker 10: My husband and my son who's twelve jewels, and his

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Speaker 1: So whoever that is because it took me a minute.

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Speaker 10: I already know where this is heading. Simultaneously, which I

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Speaker 10: It was just the assumption that if someone was breaking

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Speaker 10: It just so happened that that's what they played. So

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Speaker 8: It's not like.

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Speaker 8: So there's two there's two parts of this problem.

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Speaker 10: Yes, So we're dancing, and then I feel something hit

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Speaker 8: But I say, surely I am tripping.

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Speaker 10: Must be tripping, must be tripping, right, So I actually

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Speaker 8: But I just felt something hit.

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Speaker 10: And then I felt something harder, Oh yeah, me on

442
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 10: my shoulder, and my son, my eleven year old son,

443
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 10: tapped me. He picked up a line from the ground

444
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 10: I half eaten lime, and he said, Mom, I just

445
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 10: watched these women throw this at you in front.

446
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 5: Used to be tested in all kinds of ways.

447
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 8: A reference, And I feel so bad because they gave

448
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 8: us the tickets.

449
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 10: I've never met them, but you know, it just it

450
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 10: just sucks that they also had to be associated with

451
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 10: this incident. But yeah, you know, in that moment, I

452
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 10: basically knew we had probably three choices one was to react,

453
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 10: which probably would have led to someone getting arrested, you know,

454
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 10: just spiraling out of control, or I called the police

455
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 10: on them because essentially.

456
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 8: You know, they did throw ship at me.

457
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: Wow. I never even thought, yeah, I mean, you know,

458
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: you're going we can.

459
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 5: Sometimes exactly that's what they.

460
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 8: Do literally, But I knew that even if that happened,

461
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 8: that somehow.

462
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 10: It would still be our fraud, or just to just

463
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 10: take it and be silenced, because I knew that if I.

464
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 8: Spoke to them that it would escalate.

465
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 10: And my son was there, it was already traumatic enough

466
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 10: for him to have to experience that, especially in a

467
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 10: context where it was a predominantly white space and he

468
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 10: didn't want to be there in the first place. And

469
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 10: so now I think the thing that saddened me the

470
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 10: most is that here we are, as parents trying to expand,

471
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 10: you know, his horizon and his experience and make him

472
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 10: feel like he belongs wherever he chooses to be.

473
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 8: But that was not the message that we got that nex.

474
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: What do you think he took from that experience? Did

475
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: you explain them? Oh?

476
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, I had several talks. No, no, no, we had

477
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 8: several talks. In fact, you know, the we had. It

478
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 8: was it was quite a three days after that, I

479
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 8: think that.

480
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 10: Number one, I think just as a young man and

481
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 10: him and Alan, both as the men and the family

482
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 10: also felt silent and powerless just in protecting me in

483
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 10: that situation because they are black men, and no matter

484
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 10: what would have been said or done, they would have

485
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 10: been the aggressive in the situation. So on one end,

486
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 10: it was about teaching him, you know, after the last

487
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 10: eleven twelve now twelve years of teaching him about injustices

488
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 10: and how to stand up for himself and to not

489
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 10: be afraid and to speak up and then having to say.

490
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: But there to say.

491
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 8: Right. So it was it was just very complicated. But

492
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 8: I felt the need to write that piece for him.

493
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 8: I felt the need to essentially not be silenced.

494
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 10: In that situation and to let him know that there

495
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 10: is an outlet in a way to use his voice

496
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 10: responsibly because there are so many people who read that

497
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 10: piece who I felt had a deeper understanding of the

498
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 10: microaggressions that we face as black men and women on

499
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 10: a daily basis, who were able to empathize, which is

500
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 10: something that we have the expectation of people to do

501
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 10: on a daily basis and to treat us with humanity.

502
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 8: But it was really.

503
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 10: Interesting, and I felt regretful because I had so much

504
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 10: rage in the moment that I started tweeting because I

505
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 10: wanted them to see it. When they got home, they

506
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 10: were put on black. But I wish that I would

507
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 10: have just channeled my emotions and that waited and channeled in.

508
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 8: In that piece. And it was a great lesson learned that.

509
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 10: You know, it really is no way to condense that

510
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 10: experience in however many letters that you get on one

511
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 10: hundred and forty.

512
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 5: Characters had to write a book about it.

513
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's really no way.

514
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 10: But I wanted them to get home and to see

515
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 10: them and to see they have some accountability. I honestly

516
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 10: thought that it would come up at this point because

517
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 10: so many people are.

518
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: Just put two and two together.

519
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 10: It was widely widely talked about locally and normal. The

520
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 10: real crazy ship, though, is that they got up and

521
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 10: started dancing.

522
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 8: Of course, after you.

523
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 5: Get out of your pistom, like you burning right.

524
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: Youst we're going to take that word, yes, And.

525
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 10: I did forget to note that Alan went over to

526
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 10: them and said, did you just you know, throw fruit

527
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 10: at or whatever? At my wife, and one of the

528
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 10: women says, I just want to make it clear that

529
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 10: was not me saying those horrible nasty things, streaming those

530
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 10: horrible nasty things.

531
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 8: So we don't even know what they actually were saying

532
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 8: while they were throwing Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but again you.

533
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: Can figure out who, and I would be happy to

534
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: listen listen to you. What should be noted, though, is

535
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: I feel like that was very mature of you to

536
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: just stop pondering. Think we're having a fascinating conversation with

537
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: our guests to lunch. I don't even think do you remember?

538
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I met you, I was

539
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: in the audience at an Apollo show.

540
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 8: Probably was no stop pondering and thinking.

541
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: And the first time I met you, you were confronting

542
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: someone in the audience about what they said about That's

543
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: the first time I met you.

544
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 8: They were out of control though, and.

545
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I know, but it's just like, you know,

546
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: I always felt that you had to walk the thin

547
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: line between any any defense, your family, your art, your

548
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, and the fact that you I think I

549
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: would have lost it, you know, especially as like, oh,

550
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: you're trying to masculate me in front of front of

551
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: my kids. That's that is amazing. I just want to

552
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: say that to be committed.

553
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 10: But I felt like, honestly, throughout the course of making

554
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 10: the album, that was it incredible amount of growth that

555
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 10: I was able to achieve through channeling you know, this

556
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 10: rage and just frustration and pain through my art and

557
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 10: through my writing, and I feel like I have a

558
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 10: better toolbag, were.

559
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: Able to get it, were able to get it out,

560
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: and I was.

561
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 10: Even you know, some things happened last night that I

562
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 10: would not have responded in the same way. But I

563
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 10: honestly feel like everything that I could have said, I

564
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 10: wrote on this album. So when those things are happening

565
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 10: to me now versus pre this album, I feel like

566
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 10: it's there for you to discover if you want to

567
00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 10: have that conversation. But I don't feel the need to

568
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 10: have those conversations as much as I did prior to

569
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 10: releasing this record.

570
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 8: The conversation is.

571
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: There, you know, the period between the true album Yes

572
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: and this album, Like why didn't you feel that you know,

573
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: twenty twelve wasn't the apropros time to do it, or

574
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: even with the Heavey Street record, or even did you

575
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: have any say in the very first record, so it's oh.

576
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's my baby, I wrote. I wrote probably seventy

577
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 10: five percent of that record at fifteen.

578
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: Well you wrote all your material practically, okay, but were

579
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: there people that you can't do that? I honestly, when

580
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: you told me that I was scared, I was like no, no, no.

581
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 10: Honestly, at fifteen, through throughout that record, I think that

582
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 10: that was just such an interesting time in music.

583
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 8: That was at the height of.

584
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 10: You know, Britney Spears, Christine Angular and sync and here

585
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 10: I was. Everyone goes to that phase. I was thirteen,

586
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 10: I went to Jamaica. I was that suburban kid who

587
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 10: you know, was definitely felt connected and I still do

588
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 10: feel connected to a lot of principals of Rastafarism. But

589
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 10: I definitely, you know, cut all my hair off.

590
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 8: I was a vegan. I was really doing some soul searchinges.

591
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: So this was like your snoop lyon period wow alone

592
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: or like under the guise of like we was Miss Tina.

593
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 8: Like no, no, we no.

594
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 10: But it was more so about I really did feel

595
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 10: a lot of connectivity to my body being a temple,

596
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 10: and you know, it had a really strong effect on

597
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 10: me and I actually feel like though as a songwriter,

598
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 10: I was at my most potent and honest. Even still

599
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 10: to this day, I say it all the time, the

600
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 10: way that I approached songwriting. Yes, there was a sense

601
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 10: of clarity and like, I'm dying to make a playlist

602
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 10: of my fifteen year old songs that I wrote because

603
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 10: I still still feel like there's some of my strongest

604
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 10: songwriting to this day.

605
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 8: Yeah really, yeah, I mean, but I also.

606
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 10: Was, you know, extremely privileged to have been in the

607
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 10: studio during that time with Pharrell and Timberland and Rock Wilder,

608
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 10: and I was around some real musicians, you know, so

609
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 10: it must be interesting for them to have seen you

610
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 10: then and then see you now like have you gotten

611
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 10: I'm sure Farrell's hit you up like whoa yeah. And

612
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 10: Pharrell has been such a champion of me since day one,

613
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 10: and I am so grateful for that. I remember, you know,

614
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 10: a lot of times being fourteen, going into those studio sessions.

615
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 10: I was signed to Colombia then it was a very

616
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 10: different Columbia, like I said, and two three ooh.

617
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 8: Probably two probably two.

618
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 10: And I would walk into these sessions with these producers

619
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 10: and they would say, okay, like we have a few

620
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 10: tracks that we want to play you and I was like, no,

621
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 10: actually write my own music.

622
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 8: Can you play some instrumentals?

623
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: Oh?

624
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 8: Fifty percent of the time people were like, we need

625
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 8: to call the A and R. And you know, because

626
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 8: they thought that this was just going to be easy.

627
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 10: I was younger sister, like, let's just come in, get

628
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 10: this check and keep a cute and quick.

629
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 8: And I was playing like, you know.

630
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 10: Shuggary Otis Records and like, I actually have brothers Johnson

631
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 10: play guitar on some of my songs on.

632
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 8: That album, and like your first record, yes, yeah, but

633
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 8: I have to say for real was one of the

634
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 8: ones I was just immediately.

635
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 10: Like, Okay, if you want to write it, then let's

636
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 10: do it, you know. So yeah, I feel like, what's

637
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 10: really interesting is.

638
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 8: That album cover.

639
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 10: I actually I have on my little Cari shells and

640
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 10: my red in the Rosta cap and then in Hadley Street,

641
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 10: you know. I I it was still really really important

642
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 10: to me to incorporate social activism and black pride and

643
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 10: black history into that record and my first video. I

644
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 10: had images of Malcolm X and Angela Davis and aside

645
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 10: of Secure and Chay, and it was people weren't peeping.

646
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 6: But I'm like, this is I decided.

647
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 10: I decided, if you look back at that that video

648
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 10: on the history, it was all of that was in there.

649
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: So where does that come from?

650
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 5: Sound?

651
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: I was to do the question, Yeah, I'm gonna go

652
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: back to the beginning, because they're going to me from repetition,

653
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 1: all right.

654
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 8: So I was just saying that to say that it's

655
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 8: always been there.

656
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 10: You know, it's always the storytelling through the lens of

657
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 10: a black woman, and our stories in our history has

658
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 10: for me, always been there.

659
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 8: It has always been a part of my work.

660
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 10: I don't think it's ever been as explicitly as honest

661
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 10: and spelled out and unavoidable.

662
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 8: I always did it in ways that were kind of

663
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 8: less at the forefront.

664
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 10: But I think it was the album that I was

665
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 10: really destined to make, you know, from a very young age,

666
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 10: and I had gone through enough experiences between that timeline

667
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 10: of releasing True and the aftermath of that to where

668
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 10: it really challenged me to say, what is it that

669
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 10: you can write now that is what you are living

670
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 10: through and existing in, and that that was it, you know,

671
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 10: those stories that are told on the album, that's what

672
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 10: I was living and existing in every day.

673
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 8: So it felt really good to get that out.

674
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: Between True and Headley. Your your fondness for the word fucking.

675
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: The first thing I noticed the one True was with

676
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: some the second song some Things don't just seem to

677
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: fucking work to me. It was the ultimate title. And

678
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: then I think Headley's last song was fuck this industry, which.

679
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 8: That's a man. I have to say.

680
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 10: Dev actually wrote the line some things never fucking work.

681
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 10: So I didn't say fucking two times. I didn't write

682
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 10: fucking two times in a song.

683
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 8: But sometimes that's just the only way that you can.

684
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: Well just kind of let you know that it's on

685
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: on another level. So now I do want to go

686
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: back to the beginning to take I think no. I

687
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: think it's only important because the way that this album

688
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: is built, especially with the interludes and master needs to

689
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: drive an audio book.

690
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 10: I've got like two hours of audio from p that

691
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 10: will blow your mind.

692
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, white guy questions purpose like that? Why can't

693
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: they just be questioned? No, but this is the purpose

694
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: of the show is for all of us different cultures

695
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: and background, black and white people and bosses and minions

696
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: and bosses. I pointed to myself when I said minions,

697
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: it's got real Disney for a second. Okay, minions, No,

698
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: but he Okay, I was shocked that master P got

699
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: so much uh space on the album. I mean, he's

700
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: borderline the narrator of the record.

701
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry, Are you right?

702
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't shocked that you chose him to narrate it

703
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: because unbeknownst to me, he did have a story to tell,

704
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: which again, I think the thing is that hip hop

705
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: Maybe this couldn't answer your concern Bill, your question?

706
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: What was the question and why master And I said,

707
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: I reallyct the record was to deal with master P.

708
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: That was the first because I was listening to the

709
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: entire ride here and that's what I thought.

710
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 5: So what you know about how I worked together?

711
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 10: You know.

712
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that with ninety percent of

713
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: the participants in hip hop culture, you really don't get

714
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: to see the vulnerability and the human side of them.

715
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: So thus we would just think that Masterpiece the guy

716
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: from the from about about it. Yeah, and just like

717
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: you know, like, Okay, it's some guy in the trap

718
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: and he has money and Da da dada and c murder,

719
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: and you don't think of them as human beings. Human being, right,

720
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: The thing that shocked me the most was like I

721
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: was engaged. I started looking. I didn't even look at

722
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: the credits. I was just like, Oh, I wonder if

723
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: there's another Master, Oh he's back. How did you know

724
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: that he had a story to tell and why did

725
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: you think it would be engaging and why did you

726
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: provide the platform for him to not tell his story

727
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: but also to kind of tell your story as well well.

728
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 8: First of all, I think that.

729
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 10: Master is incredibly regal, and there was a thread of

730
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 10: regality that I wanted to connect to the album and

731
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 10: to the visuals. I really wanted to present Black people,

732
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 10: as you know, regal, stately beings that we are, and

733
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 10: I think that regality can be expressed in so many

734
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 10: different ways.

735
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 8: But I remember, and this might be generational, like.

736
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 10: Seeing MTV Cribs with Master B on it and him

737
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 10: having like a gold toilet seed and all old everything

738
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 10: and being incredibly ornate. But I also remember my father

739
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 10: really looking up to Master Be because he was a

740
00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 10: black man who entered this music industry and this landscape

741
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 10: completely independent, and he held on to his independence. And

742
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 10: that was something that was really important from my father

743
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 10: as someone who is transitioning as a music executive and

744
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 10: learning the business. He you know, had a great deal

745
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 10: of respect for MASTERP and I would hear about that.

746
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 10: So I think that there's like a few different levels

747
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 10: to it. One is again the regal aspect. I've always

748
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 10: you know, thought of him in that way. And then secondly,

749
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 10: throughout the course of this album, independence and empowerment is

750
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 10: one of the messages that I wanted to constantly drill

751
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 10: in and hone in on. And who better to tell

752
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 10: that story to me than Master Be. I mean, he

753
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 10: is honestly one of the own only ones who didn't

754
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 10: sell his company, who did not you know, shortsight his

755
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 10: company and his empire for a check. And he really

756
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 10: really started in the trunks in the trenches. He saw

757
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 10: a vision. What I love about him is that he

758
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 10: saw so much within his twelve blocks. He saw so

759
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 10: much potential and belief within his local community that it

760
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 10: was never an idea or he when he speaks about this,

761
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 10: he says like he never was thinking about mainstream or

762
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 10: building this global empire. He was thinking about a need

763
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 10: and demand in his community. You know, he actually opened

764
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 10: a record store after he started selling trunks in his

765
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 10: car and that was during a time when and I

766
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 10: guess you couldn't like the idea of FedEx and overnighting

767
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 10: CDs like was so foreign. But he was in Oakland

768
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 10: or somewhere Richmond, Richmond, California, where it was really hard

769
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 10: to get a lot of explicit hip hop records, and

770
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 10: so he struck up a deal with a lot of

771
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 10: the southern distribution places and he with FedEx.

772
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 8: Albums overnight, and that was like unheard of at that time.

773
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 10: So he was basically like importing CDs locally and right exactly,

774
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 10: but just the idea for him of wanting to supply

775
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 10: that for people who wanted to have access to that,

776
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 10: that was super inspiring to me.

777
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 8: And then I also think that I see a lot of.

778
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 10: Similarities in my father and and the empowerment of being

779
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 10: a self made black man and navigating through that.

780
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 4: One of the things I wanted to ask you about

781
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 4: in regards to your dad, the interlude where he's talking

782
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 4: about how he was angry as a kid, that really

783
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 4: resonated with me as someone born and raised in the South,

784
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 4: and just from hearing I don't know how you guys

785
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 4: recorded it, I don't know the setting, but it sounded

786
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 4: really intimate, and it sounded like, was that your first

787
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 4: time hearing that story from him?

788
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 10: No, So I always heard the stories about my father

789
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 10: integrating his schools. He did that in both elementary and

790
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 10: junior high school and gas in Alabama, and my parents

791
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 10: are no longer married. I wanted to close the chapter

792
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 10: of the album making process by interviewing both of them

793
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 10: and hopes that a I could really break down and

794
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 10: get to the root and the origin generationally of how

795
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 10: some of these traumas have been passed on to me,

796
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 10: because I do think that there's generational trauma as black

797
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 10: people that you just inherent and I wanted to be

798
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 10: kind of cleansed of.

799
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 8: That in some kind of way. And if something made

800
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 8: the record, then it did. But that was truly for me.

801
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 10: And one of the beautiful things about this album is

802
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 10: that my father and I have had a very complicated

803
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 10: relationship and we are so much closer and I was

804
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 10: able to forgive him for a lot of things and

805
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 10: understand him in an entirely new way. So although I

806
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 10: had heard the stories before, it was something about having

807
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 10: that formal moment of him getting to explicitly tell his

808
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 10: story without all this background noise and have the focus

809
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 10: be on him getting to be honest and have that moment.

810
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 10: He deserved that and we I'm thirty years old and

811
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 10: he's never really had the opportunity to.

812
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 8: Do that in that kind of a setting. And I

813
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 8: think that it was just so powerful. There's so much

814
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 8: from his story that I couldn't even put on the record. Unbelievable,

815
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 8: I know. I actually both of.

816
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 10: My parents, like, I want to do something with that

817
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 10: audio much bigger because I think that now, through me

818
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 10: making this record and my sister making her last record,

819
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 10: I think that people have come to have a better

820
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 10: understanding of what kind of household we grew up in,

821
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 10: and the kind of values and just the environment that

822
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 10: we were raised in. And I think that both of

823
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 10: my parents have such interesting stories that are not, you know,

824
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 10: unique to a lot of.

825
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 8: Black folks parent.

826
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not at all.

827
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, but I will say that there's something specifically about

828
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 10: carrying the weight of integration that I hadn't thought of

829
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 10: in that way, and that is very unique.

830
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 8: Like you can't not many people can say that their

831
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 8: parents integrated.

832
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: But we're the.

833
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 6: Last, well not really you, but you're probably more your sister,

834
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 6: but that's we're the last generation of parents who have

835
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 6: experienced that. I mean, most of our parents were of

836
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 6: a certain age in nineteen sixty five when they were

837
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 6: able to vote. But it's funny because listening to those

838
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 6: interviews it made me happy. I actually listened to my

839
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 6: mom with my mom and I was like, oh my god, Mom,

840
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 6: I'm so happy because people get to see the foundation

841
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 6: of which you two come from. And for a lot

842
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 6: of black people, especially a lot of black women, it's

843
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 6: just a level of even more comfortability.

844
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 5: Of course, it also made me worry.

845
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I was like, you, part of your life

846
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 6: is in a pop world and I don't.

847
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 5: Know, just even even with a little bit of I

848
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 5: was like I was and I was like, oh, here

849
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 5: comes to Launch, here comes Tina. It's real, it's really

850
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 5: not a secret.

851
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 6: They're black, and they're they're black. It's just like a

852
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 6: lot of other people's black. And four minute I did have.

853
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 8: A little worry.

854
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, now that the Anelus were really they were

855
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 10: really powerful, and I think that just having that documentation,

856
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 10: I honestly just feel like it's something that everyone should do,

857
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 10: Like everyone should have that of their parents that some

858
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 10: kind of documentation of the storytelling. I understand them so

859
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 10: much better, and I honestly feel like I will be

860
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 10: a better, better person and a better.

861
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 8: Parent for it.

862
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 10: Like just certain things that my dad was telling me

863
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 10: that that I had not heard before, like the electric

864
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 10: prodding that he was electric product. Maybe two or three occasions.

865
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 10: I didn't understand how much of a participant that my

866
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 10: dad was.

867
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 8: In terms of the civil rights movement in Gaston, Alabama. Yeah,

868
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 8: he was.

869
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 10: He was a classmate of CORRETTA. Scott's and he was

870
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 10: a freedom fighter. He did sittings And.

871
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 5: Did Daddy look young?

872
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 8: Because I went up, Wow, So I learned. I learned

873
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 8: all of that. I didn't know that.

874
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 10: And it was really interesting because my dad, he had

875
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 10: a full scholarship and to uh Tennessee for basketball, and

876
00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 10: he spoke about how he didn't actually love that basketball,

877
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 10: but he used it as a defense to basically have

878
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 10: safety from racism because then people were able to like

879
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 10: him and accept him and protect him from all of

880
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 10: the fuckery that was happening. And it carried him through

881
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 10: high school and kind of gave him a safety net

882
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 10: from all of the violence that was happening.

883
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 8: Got a full scholarship and played Fisk. There was a

884
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 8: huge riot because he was.

885
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 10: A black kid on this college team, which that was

886
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 10: also the very early stages of that happening. And there

887
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 10: was a huge fight between the two schools and people

888
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 10: you know, were flipping cars and they got really violent

889
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 10: and really crazy, and he bore the weight of that

890
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 10: because black people were mad at him.

891
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,959
Speaker 8: They were calling him a trader. You know, how could

892
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 8: you and you uncle Tom and all of that.

893
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 10: And there was a coach from Fisk who said, listen, like,

894
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 10: we know you have this full scholarship and that you said.

895
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 10: And at this point, my dad had been in predominantly

896
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 10: white schools for you know, fifteen years. That's who he

897
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 10: was around all the time. And they offered him a

898
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 10: scholarship to Fisk, and everyone thought he was absolutely crazy.

899
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 10: And he left Tennessee and State and went to Fisk.

900
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 10: And when he went there, he thought like, I'm about

901
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 10: to be bawling and fly. And it actually was super

902
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 10: corny at the time to be an athlete, and it

903
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 10: was much cooler to be an intellectual and be on

904
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 10: the debate team and to uh, you know, be stylish

905
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 10: and you know, just be smart, and that was his

906
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 10: first black experience was that it was awesome to be smart,

907
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 10: and so he really was a nerd. My dad really

908
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 10: was a nerse. So he was just like super stoked.

909
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 10: So just hearing all of that, like that's the ship

910
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 10: that you never hear about, Like I never knew that

911
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 10: during that time that that was considered more cool, you know,

912
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 10: like you don't hear that story. So it was just

913
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 10: a lot that came out of it that really really

914
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 10: empowered me through the making of this record.

915
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: We're here with salone in studios, Yes.

916
00:58:55,480 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 10: And my album by the way, I turned in in

917
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 10: my album, I played it for the label here only

918
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 10: I don't know two months three months ago.

919
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: Wow.

920
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, So the engineer who was walking around, I remember

921
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 10: him from that day. But imagine, yeah, imagine now like

922
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 10: me having to play this for you know, my white

923
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 10: record label heads.

924
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, when when Don't Touch My Hair came on? What

925
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 5: did they what did they do?

926
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 6: Because you know, I gotta tell you for that record

927
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 6: with such a because a lot of us, I'm not

928
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 6: gonna say, bring it up so.

929
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 5: Long, don't you understand.

930
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 6: While I'm a little befuddled, because it's something that we

931
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 6: go through all the time. And to be able to

932
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 6: the way that you said it in such a calm way,

933
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 6: and then to watch what you say to me. But

934
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 6: it was still like smooth. But in my mind I

935
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 6: translated it what you say to me. You know what

936
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 6: I mean, don't touch my hair. But can you walk

937
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 6: us through this song and why you chose to do it,

938
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 6: and you chose to do it on Saturday Night Live,

939
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 6: which was really brave and I appreciate it.

940
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 8: Oh, thank you.

941
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 6: You know.

942
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 10: I had a jam session or a week of jam

943
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 10: sessions when I first started to write the album, and

944
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 10: for whatever reason.

945
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 8: I just sang one day, don't touch my head.

946
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 10: Don't know why, I just said it, and probably wrote

947
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 10: that song in like ten fifteen minutes.

948
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 8: I think it was so.

949
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 10: Potent at the time, and it was less about, you know,

950
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 10: the actual physical touching of the hair and more about

951
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 10: the allowance to have our safe spaces, our cultural you know,

952
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 10: things that we celebrate, our pride, our glory, and sang

953
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 10: like don't touch that.

954
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 8: Don't come for me. Let us have this moment, let

955
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 8: us revel in this culture that we have built from

956
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 8: nowhere and still have to protect on a daily basis.

957
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 5: Because in my minds too, And.

958
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,919
Speaker 6: In that metaphor, you're like because every day we see

959
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 6: it being taken from us. And so in that moment,

960
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 6: because I knew what you meant, I knew it wasn't

961
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 6: just a physical don't touch my hair, but which.

962
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 8: Is annoying, right, it's all don't.

963
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 6: Touch my hair, don't touch my culture, don't touch let me.

964
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 6: Can I have this?

965
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 5: Can I have my corn rolls and not.

966
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 8: My box breaks experience?

967
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 5: It's just can I ask?

968
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: And this is not a okay, you're already unfull, like

969
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: you already.

970
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 5: Like off, like I'm just all the chicks who loved

971
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 5: this record, okay, and thank you.

972
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: I want to ask a question. Is it possible two

973
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: in the age of the internet kind of of deluding

974
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: regionalism and culture at the same time. Is it possible

975
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: for culture practices to not be appropriated when the internet makes.

976
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 4: It too easy for you to have access to it.

977
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 4: I don't think it's well. I think it's just all

978
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 4: in how you do it, you know what I'm saying.

979
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 4: I think if you do it like in a tasteful way,

980
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 4: then I don't think nobody getting mad at you.

981
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 5: Just don't act like it's yours. And you created it.

982
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I didn't mean, but that's always been my

983
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 6: or like.

984
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 4: When they try to like what you said, I mean

985
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 4: with the corn rolls and like they were like Caitlyn

986
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 4: Jenner's and not Caitlyn the other one Incredible, Kylie's new

987
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 4: incredible news, like doing that.

988
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: Shout out. Appreciate that.

989
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 10: Appropriation is such a complicated conversation and it's really hard

990
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 10: to simplify.

991
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: But but it's rarely a conversation because because I only

992
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: see it on I see it as rest on Twitter, right,

993
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: but I never hear the conversation of it. Part of

994
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: my dismay or what Twitter has taught me at least, Wow,

995
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: what is what Twitter has taught me? Exclusive? The general

996
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: belief is that basically, you know, the idea that black

997
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: culture there's a there's a difference between loving black culture

998
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: but not black white people. So usually, especially with the

999
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: onslaught of the police activity, the police assassinations that have

1000
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: been going on in twenty sixteen, you know, the sudden

1001
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: silence that you see some of our appropriators that are

1002
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: speaking that you know won't speak up for us, but

1003
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: we'll still you know, right, Yeah, and so well, yeah,

1004
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: to explain the bill and to Steve here, a lot

1005
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: of the a lot of the seeds of dismay and

1006
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: anger lie in the fact that you have artists that

1007
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: are quick to you know, borrow you the fashion uh

1008
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: and and the language and the dances and the music

1009
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: and the inspirations and the swag and the lifestyle. But

1010
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: when it comes to us as human beings again, it's

1011
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: like black people are rarely seen as human beings. Like

1012
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: even listening to like from what we generally hear about

1013
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: your father and just seeing him in the news, I

1014
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: just seeing him as an overprotective, you know, guy in

1015
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: the background that caused all the shots, and I'd like

1016
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: this this, yeah, this is humanizing. Yeah, now I want

1017
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: to know more about Matthew knows that I never knew about.

1018
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 8: My dad's story is really powerful.

1019
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you said it was difficult with you guys before, Like,

1020
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 4: what what made it difficult with your relationship or complicated?

1021
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: That was your word.

1022
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 10: I just think that, honestly, the weight that you have

1023
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 10: to carry as a black man, especially coming up in

1024
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 10: that time, there are just things that I can never

1025
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 10: understand how that tolls on you emotionally and your decision

1026
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 10: making and not being able to have an outlet to

1027
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 10: really say I'm flawed, you know, I made mistakes because

1028
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 10: you've had to be black excellent your whole life, and

1029
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 10: he had to be black excellent in order to give

1030
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 10: what he gave to my sister and I And so

1031
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 10: I think that that's a heavy burden to carry. I

1032
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 10: think that this album was as much of a tribute

1033
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 10: to my parents and my grandparents and my ancestors and

1034
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 10: my lineage of everyone who played a role in the

1035
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 10: privilege that I have today.

1036
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 8: And I don't take that for granted, you know, I know.

1037
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 10: Now, I'm very clear on all of the steps that

1038
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 10: my parents took for us to be who we are.

1039
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 10: When I say who we are, I mean as humans,

1040
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 10: as women, as Black women, as mothers.

1041
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 8: As wives. And I think that he was, you know,

1042
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 8: sort of a chosen one.

1043
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 10: And I do my little quote hands there because I

1044
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 10: think that in black communities, especially in that day and age,

1045
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 10: there is a little bit of a chosen one complex

1046
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 10: in terms of like, oh, you're a smarter black little nigga,

1047
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 10: or like, you know, you're one of the really intelligent ones,

1048
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 10: are articulate, Yeah, you're you're the exception.

1049
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 8: And I think that.

1050
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 10: Him being chosen to be integrated. My my grandparents were very,

1051
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 10: very poor. They did not have even high school education,

1052
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 10: and my dad was just they were very.

1053
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 8: Smart, but they were not educated at all.

1054
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 10: And so for him to have gone through that journey

1055
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 10: as like sort of this chosen one and it just

1056
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 10: continued from the every phase in his life essentially from

1057
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 10: elementary school on up.

1058
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: Did you have siblings or is he the only child?

1059
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 10: So he had fourteen foster sisters, brothers, but he was

1060
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 10: the only biological child of my grandparents.

1061
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 8: It's such as now and he has he has my

1062
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 8: half sister, my aunt Shaquita, and that is his mom's

1063
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 8: daughter from another relationship.

1064
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: We're just I can't that Jesus, okay, But yeah.

1065
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 8: It's it's loaded.

1066
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 10: And I remember going, you know, two gass and and

1067
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 10: like my grandparents still having an outhouse and I seventeen,

1068
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 10: the outhouse of the bathroom and my sister and I

1069
01:08:54,360 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 10: would be like this is some fun shah.

1070
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 8: Gross and crazy.

1071
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 10: But honestly, my my dad's side of the family was

1072
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 10: so ged up. Like my grandmother was a boot My

1073
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 10: great grandmother was a bootlegger, and she was like eighty

1074
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 10: years old, seventy five years old, still bootlegging alcohol.

1075
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 8: And she was like she was like the most un.

1076
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, it worked out really well for her because she

1077
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 10: was like the little old lady. So she basically they

1078
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,759
Speaker 10: owned a property next door and in the wee hours

1079
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 10: like she would basically, you know, have this little juke

1080
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 10: joint going and people would be like, who is running

1081
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 10: this and she would be complaining, like it's.

1082
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 8: Keeping Holland and I'm seventy eight years old and they keep.

1083
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 10: So that was that, and then my great grandfather on

1084
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 10: that side, his name was Dave Hoak. He was one

1085
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 10: of the first black men to own that amount of land,

1086
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 10: and he actually was so smart. He didn't have enough

1087
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 10: money to turn the land into farmland because that would

1088
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 10: have meant him having you know, lumber chopped down and

1089
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 10: he didn't have the money the cash flow to do that,

1090
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 10: but he had the land, so he struck up a

1091
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 10: deal with the city that and charged them, of course,

1092
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 10: that they could you know, come and use his land

1093
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 10: as lumber. Yes, So that basically they cleared out his shit,

1094
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 10: but he also got a check.

1095
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 8: So they were incredibly smart.

1096
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 10: They were not educated, but they were really really smart

1097
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 10: business people and entrepreneurs, and so I think to answer

1098
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 10: your question because I just went all around the block

1099
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 10: and back, I.

1100
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Speaker 8: Just think that he had a very heavy burden to wait.

1101
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 10: And to hold, and especially my sister's group when they

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01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 10: were like thirteen fourteen, their manager passed away from Lupus

1103
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 10: and Tillman and they had just gotten an offer from

1104
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 10: the face actually, and she passed away really tragically, and

1105
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 10: my dad stepped in and was like, well, someone has

1106
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 10: to step in, like this offer is on the table

1107
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 10: their kids, and she was doing all of the paperwork,

1108
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 10: and he literally just went to the library and bought

1109
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 10: every book that he could find on the music business.

1110
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 8: He had no experience.

1111
01:11:54,000 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 10: He was vice president regionally of Xerox in the Southern region,

1112
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 10: so he's an incredibly you know, gifted businessman, but he

1113
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 10: basically knew nothing about the music industry and he had

1114
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 10: to step up to the plate and make sure that

1115
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 10: no one was going to screw these fourteen year old girls.

1116
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 10: But that's not the narrative that everyone has, you know,

1117
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 10: been so he could have sworn he was Joe Jackson and.

1118
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 6: We had Alan Lee's here and Shep Gordon and listening

1119
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 6: to how they became managers with so more matter of

1120
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 6: facty like they didn't. It was no studying involved, It

1121
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 6: was no going to the library. It was like Jimmy

1122
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 6: Hendrick said, you're Jewish, you should be a manager.

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01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 5: Wow, no struggle a little different.

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01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, And he basically applied all of the knowledge

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01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 10: that he knew from Corporate America in terms of negotiations.

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Speaker 8: My dad Rax, the department that he actually led. A

1127
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 8: lot of people don't know this.

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Speaker 10: X RAX is the leading manufacturers for X rays and

1129
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 10: MRIs and medical equipment, and so it was his job

1130
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 10: to basically go to hospitals and sell this super expensive.

1131
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 8: State of the art medical equipment.

1132
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 10: And he basically just utilized all of those skills you know,

1133
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 10: in the music industry. And I just think, you know,

1134
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:25,799
Speaker 10: he had a lot of pressure, and knowing his story

1135
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 10: and having the space for him to be allowed to

1136
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 10: tell that explicitly, it really really changed the dynamic of

1137
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:34,440
Speaker 10: our relationships.

1138
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 8: And I'm really really grateful for that.

1139
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: Okay. I know, like we kind of the modus operandi

1140
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: of the show is to really dissect the music and

1141
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: the art and everything. So this is probably the first

1142
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: time we've ever dealt with social issues on the show.

1143
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 8: But my god, damn it, I just had therapy in here.

1144
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: Every week. I would be remiss. I would be remiss

1145
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: if I didn't mention, uh, the Lil Wayne incident, not

1146
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: to be confused with the craft work incidents. But I

1147
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: guess I should let the listeners know that there's kind

1148
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: of been grumbling in debates on the room on how

1149
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: I guess brother Tip t I has decided to handle

1150
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: his chastising of Lil Wayne. I guess Bill and.

1151
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 8: And and.

1152
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 1: Okay, the little Wayne.

1153
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll be I'll be Lil Wayne, or maybe you

1154
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 4: should be t I because you have the more stately voice.

1155
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll be I'll be Wayne. I'm a young, rich mother,

1156
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 4: young I know black lives matter. I'm a nigga.

1157
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: He a white man. He feeling me my life matter,

1158
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 1: especially my bitches.

1159
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 4: So that's a little way, especially especially to my life matter,

1160
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 4: especially to my bitches.

1161
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 1: MS.

1162
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 4: She didn't play that part. It's online, It's it's on Twitter.

1163
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 4: You add this to the things you learned from Twitter. Wow,

1164
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 4: his life matters, especially to his bitches, which I think

1165
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 4: is a motivational statement.

1166
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: Can I make a shirt? I think that's wait a minute,

1167
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: this is about to take a whole another turn. I

1168
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: didn't know that statement. To my bitches, let me be

1169
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: particular about this, Fiel.

1170
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 5: Did you find you ready for your part with t I?

1171
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 10: Why?

1172
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,560
Speaker 4: But then so then U t I got on Instagram

1173
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 4: and like he you know, I guess he had you know,

1174
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 4: dictionary dot com over.

1175
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: Time out wait for the record, like we're sparky, We're sparky.

1176
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: And we talked about this last night, and well, I

1177
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: commended him on handling it, okay, was like to stop

1178
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 1: cooning and basically was like, but it's a first. It's

1179
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: a first.

1180
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 8: I have to say.

1181
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 10: I really appreciate what t I has done, the work

1182
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 10: that he's done for the movement, you know.

1183
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 8: Over the course of these this last year.

1184
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 10: Really, I think it takes a lot of bravery to

1185
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 10: step up and actually try to walk and live in

1186
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 10: that truth outside of just making art about it.

1187
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: You know, he's saying that he because he has children, hm,

1188
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: that he sees life different now than say, eleven years ago,

1189
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:57,560
Speaker 1: when he was mired in a lot of trouble on controversy.

1190
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's like he was about that life quote.

1191
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: But I guess the grumbling in the room was whether

1192
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 1: or not he should have sund him in public or

1193
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: have a conversation.

1194
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 10: Maybe he did both and maybe he felt like he

1195
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 10: had a responsibility to.

1196
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think the sunning was self serving like

1197
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,560
Speaker 1: some people's son just to be self serving, as in

1198
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: to be like yo yo, that nigga woke like you

1199
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: see what he did? You see? And that's and that's

1200
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: kind of where I'm at with it.

1201
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 4: I feel like on like Twitter, Instagram, everybody's competing for

1202
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 4: woke points and ship, you know what I mean. And

1203
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 4: so for me, my thing is like I feel like

1204
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 4: everything that t I said in was valid, But I'm

1205
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 4: just at a point with me now where it's like,

1206
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 4: I'm very careful about the way we talk to each

1207
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 4: other in front of white people, you know.

1208
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. Always been that way though, except for

1209
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: this radio show.

1210
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 8: How does that?

1211
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: What does that sound like?

1212
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 5: People don't even know about this general rule amongst black people.

1213
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: This last time, the last time that someone was on

1214
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: this level was caros One and Prince B. And we

1215
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:19,480
Speaker 1: know how that after that confrontation that the PC.

1216
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 6: Better give us a circle after nineteen ninety.

1217
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 1: Oh, don't act like you you don't remember that, right. No,

1218
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: Prince Be in an interview said he's a teacher, but

1219
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: what kind of teacher is a teacher? Of what? He?

1220
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: In Details? It was so okay in Details magazine. Uh,

1221
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: he was basically saying that a lot of message teacher rappers.

1222
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 1: He was referring to Chuck Dye and Caris one, we're

1223
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 1: making mountains out of mohills and you know basically that

1224
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: we are hypocrites. And uh actually, later in line of

1225
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 1: Prince B's death, I think a lot of us when

1226
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: we saw the source. You remember, like the source on

1227
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,679
Speaker 1: the last page you used to have that cartoon. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1228
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 1: we're talking right. So there's there's an illustration of karas

1229
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: One grabbing grabbing the stage and and later I found

1230
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:18,759
Speaker 1: out and actually uh later verified through uh T Bunny

1231
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: whose birthday party it was tea money formally on TV

1232
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 1: raps and original concept on Deft Jam Records that it

1233
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 1: wasn't that level of like him getting kicked off the

1234
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: stage and throwing off. It was kind of like, okay,

1235
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: it was maybe a lighthearted coudeta like they just took

1236
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: over the stage and performed and Pmdring just exited stage

1237
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 1: left So that's that's one thing that happened. Like it

1238
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 1: is this pre like Instagram and Snapchat when it was

1239
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,839
Speaker 1: could be verified, right, so you could tell tall tales

1240
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: and right, but the urban legend of the stories that

1241
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: Kris One and his anger came and just dropped kick

1242
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Prince VI, it was like three hundred and

1243
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: seventy trillion pounds bigger than me. My whole point is

1244
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: that after that period of or at least the you know,

1245
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 1: the idea of you could lose your career if you

1246
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: criticize somebody publicly and may respond to you, I felt

1247
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 1: that we lost something because after that incident, every person

1248
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:32,719
Speaker 1: that would otherwise have an opinion or two cents about

1249
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: what he feels about another rapper, Uh, that just got

1250
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: squashed because no one wanted to risk the public humiliation

1251
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: of the retaliation of Oh, you're going to share your

1252
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: two cents about me, Yeah, I'm gonna see you at

1253
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah. The confrontation basically stops

1254
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety three. So I just felt that was

1255
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: necessary one because that is the first time that that

1256
01:20:56,280 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: level of public criticism has happened, and in general, yeah,

1257
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, I mean Wayne is Wayne's family, Like

1258
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm about to work with him in a month and

1259
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: a half or so. My point is that I just

1260
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: feel as though, maybe now once we start confronting each

1261
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 1: other and those that know better, right do better, and

1262
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 1: those that should know better, I feel, yeah, I feel

1263
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 1: as though even if Wayne doesn't know better, I would

1264
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: like to think that now he might surround himself.

1265
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 6: Like, let's be real, he is who he is, and

1266
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 6: especially at the age it's hard enough to get a

1267
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 6: regular black man to change, but a rich black man

1268
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 6: does not know he is working.

1269
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 5: How did you feel like now that he's been on

1270
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 5: the Mad Song?

1271
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 10: I think that I feel really conflicted about the whole situation.

1272
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 10: I think that his verse, he's so yeah, and I

1273
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 10: think that, you know, he really was the perfect person

1274
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 10: to obviously speak to being mad.

1275
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 8: He does have a lot to be mad about. And

1276
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 8: I've been really conflicted.

1277
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 10: Do I have a responsibility as an artist and who

1278
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 10: I align myself? Do I take on their politics and

1279
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 10: their ideals just by creating with them? But ultimately the

1280
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 10: answer is no, I don't. I created a song and

1281
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 10: a message that was very clear. I think people are

1282
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,720
Speaker 10: very clear on my stance and my politics, especially when

1283
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 10: it comes to black issues, and I would I would

1284
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 10: just uphold him to a responsibility, Like you said, now

1285
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 10: that you know you have children, My son is twelve

1286
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 10: years old, and he respects him as an artist. He's

1287
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 10: a fan, and I would like to see us uphold

1288
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,600
Speaker 10: a certain level of responsibility for our children and the

1289
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:06,879
Speaker 10: internalized messages that they're already having a fight so hard against.

1290
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 10: We don't need to be on the same team, you know,

1291
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:15,640
Speaker 10: combating those messages in that way, like we gotta be

1292
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 10: more unified than that.

1293
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 1: This is me not playing Devil's advocate again, which I

1294
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: guess kind of means that. But based on the interview,

1295
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: which I still didn't hear that last statement, but I

1296
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:38,600
Speaker 1: had the feeling that he literally did not know what

1297
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 1: she was talking and what Black Lives Matter was.

1298
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I think a lot of people are unclear

1299
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 10: on Black Lives Matter as an organization and an entity

1300
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 10: and the movement itself.

1301
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 8: But do you respond to the statement, the statement.

1302
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 10: Itself in that Black lives matters? There should not be

1303
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 10: in hesitation to, you know, just be able to say

1304
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 10: that and be proud and feel pride in that what

1305
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 10: is there to combat?

1306
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:16,759
Speaker 1: But I don't think he literally I think he literally didn't.

1307
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't know mad people in Brooklyn that are proud

1308
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 1: to not to not have a television. OK, right, So

1309
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 1: we take those people and then there's the uh oh,

1310
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: I can't watch the news because it's too it's too much.

1311
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 5: He has like six children who have homework. I'm not

1312
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 5: doing that with you.

1313
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 1: I see where you're going.

1314
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 4: But this is where I think it falls apart because

1315
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 4: he said because he starts off and he's like, well, nah,

1316
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 4: what is black man?

1317
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: What is that? But then he says, well, no, what

1318
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: it is it's actually police killing people. So he's aware

1319
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 1: of what it is, but he just doesn't agree with

1320
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,799
Speaker 1: the way that the argument is being framed.

1321
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 4: So he's aware of what it is, but he's just saying,

1322
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 4: you know, that doesn't have anything to do with me,

1323
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 4: which I mean fairness. I think that's his reality, you

1324
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like, you know, if you ask

1325
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 4: for a lot of you know, rich black people.

1326
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 1: He's taking black Republican stance. I mean, dude, that's his reality.

1327
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,759
Speaker 4: That's why again, back to our guest, back to Solange,

1328
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,639
Speaker 4: why your album I think is resonating with so many people.

1329
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 4: It is because it its present and you have your

1330
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 4: finger on what everyone is talking about, Like just you know, you.

1331
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: D way better. This is lives matter. This is the

1332
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 1: blackest episode of Quizov Supreme to date.

1333
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 4: But No, your album, I think it really speaks to

1334
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,719
Speaker 4: where people are feeling right now. And that's why it's resonating,

1335
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 4: because you know, even though with all your success, and

1336
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:48,799
Speaker 4: you know, with your sister's success and you being involved

1337
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 4: in all these things, you're still just saying, like listen,

1338
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 4: all of that or this is my interpretation, you know,

1339
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 4: with all of this is whatever, I'm still a black

1340
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 4: woman in America and these white bitches still.

1341
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: Throwing lives at me. You know what I mean? You

1342
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's you know, so I

1343
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 1: commend you for that.

1344
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 4: I really that really speaks like when you have people

1345
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 4: like a Wayne and not to beat up on him

1346
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 4: because I fuck with Wayne too, like that's my man.

1347
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 4: But but you know, there is a difference, and I

1348
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 4: think it shows that when people like you make a

1349
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 4: record like this, that makes it even harder for me

1350
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,240
Speaker 4: to give cats like Wayne whoever pass It's like nah, bruh, like,

1351
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 4: if she know what's going on?

1352
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: How you don't know? You know what I mean, right?

1353
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 10: And I think we have a responsibility, especially in the

1354
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 10: places that we are in, to want to know and

1355
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 10: to have a yearning to understand. There's still so much

1356
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 10: that I'm learning that I'm not privy to about other

1357
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:51,480
Speaker 10: cultures and sexualities that you have to go and google.

1358
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 8: And learn your shit.

1359
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 10: You have to have a yearning to want to treat

1360
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 10: people in the way that they deserve to be treated

1361
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 10: and to have empathy and humanity. And no one expects

1362
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,639
Speaker 10: everyone to know everything and to just have a plethora

1363
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 10: of knowledge, you know, sitting there, But you have to

1364
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 10: want to know and to take on that responsibility to

1365
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 10: expand yourself.

1366
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 8: And I think that as artists, if.

1367
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 10: You move all the other stuff aside, I would just

1368
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 10: hope that as artists that we're.

1369
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 8: All doing that so that we can become better artists.

1370
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:34,600
Speaker 10: And you know, I think that that's a really important

1371
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 10: thing to just want to evolve and grow in yourself

1372
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 10: so that you also are doing that in your artistry

1373
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 10: so that it inspires people and people are able to

1374
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:46,560
Speaker 10: build off of that.

1375
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 8: So I think that that was kind of my stance

1376
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 8: on that.

1377
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 4: Just one lyric that I always wanted to ask you

1378
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 4: about it was it was a It was a Beyonce

1379
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 4: lyric where she says and pardon me, butcher, but you're saying,

1380
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 4: you know, my my sister taught me to speak my mind.

1381
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 1: If I'm.

1382
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 4: Okay, I got it? Where what explain that? Like, what

1383
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 4: influence did you play or do you do you think

1384
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 4: you played on her in that way?

1385
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1386
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 10: I didn't know that that lyric was going to come out,

1387
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 10: so I was just as suc surprised as everybody else.

1388
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,799
Speaker 10: But I think that our relationship is really cool because

1389
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,919
Speaker 10: since we've been younger, we've both been very very protective

1390
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 10: of each other, and we both have pushed each other

1391
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 10: in the boundaries and our ways of communicating through just

1392
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 10: humans and women, but also as artists. And I think

1393
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 10: everyone who's around me, friends, family, my son, his friends.

1394
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 10: I'm a huge, you know, advocate for people getting to

1395
01:28:57,960 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 10: live in their honesty and their truth.

1396
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:01,560
Speaker 8: I think we all deserve that.

1397
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 10: And even when I think back to my SNL performance,

1398
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 10: like you know, just the feeling of being able to

1399
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 10: say that everything that we do as humans is not

1400
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,799
Speaker 10: going to be perfect, and it's going to be flawed

1401
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 10: and to be able to own those imperfections and speak

1402
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 10: up on them and not feel hindered.

1403
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 8: Or you know.

1404
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 10: That I would like to think that maybe you know,

1405
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 10: just as family, that I have played a role and

1406
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 10: also constantly telling her that as well, you know, just

1407
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 10: I tell all of my especially my black women friends,

1408
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 10: like we have to operate in the world so heavily

1409
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 10: and carrying so much weight on a daily basis, the

1410
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 10: black woman in America, and I think that we're not

1411
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 10: told like it's okay to be flawed and to not

1412
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 10: be so strong all the time.

1413
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 1: And write out my mouth. Okay, I know you're mad regular.

1414
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm allowed to say that

1415
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 1: I am. I'm pretty.

1416
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,719
Speaker 8: You know, that's very funny. A lot of my friends

1417
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 8: describe me as that way, and I'm like, I.

1418
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 1: Don't know what is like, Well, that's when I knew

1419
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 1: you would be cool.

1420
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 8: Okay, But you know, at the.

1421
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 1: Beginning, it's okay to an outsider because the perception of

1422
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 1: the dynasty is so gleamingly blinding that again, people don't until.

1423
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:52,840
Speaker 8: My mom was on Instagram.

1424
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 10: To be getting it.

1425
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is that do you still feel

1426
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 1: I know that you fight for your private life, and

1427
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 1: you fight, well, not fight just.

1428
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 8: To you you protected, well, not even protected, just you're.

1429
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 1: Gonna do what you're gonna do, and sometimes you just

1430
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 1: want mad normal moments. And you guys indulged in mad

1431
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: regular normal Hey, the you know, the the noles.

1432
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 4: When I saw her, when I saw Miss Tina and

1433
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 4: mister Lawson posing in the parking lot of Costco, I

1434
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 4: was like, yo, data realist niggas outright now.

1435
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, she real for that, and she was

1436
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:47,719
Speaker 1: happy to get.

1437
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 10: The savings, Like, oh my god, she's so serious about

1438
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:54,479
Speaker 10: those mic downs.

1439
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 1: But I mean, do you at what point did you,

1440
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: collectively all of you decide like I'm done, I'm tired,

1441
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: like we could just be regular. I mean, because some

1442
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 1: of y'all are super heroes to some people, and then

1443
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 1: you want to be regular. So at what point do

1444
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 1: you just decide like I gotta be regular and what

1445
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just be me? Yeah?

1446
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1447
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 10: I think I personally have always operated from a space

1448
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:30,560
Speaker 10: of like you said, like what, I'm drawn to the

1449
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 10: things that bring me the most joy, and I try

1450
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:37,719
Speaker 10: to nurture them whatever that is. And I've also lived

1451
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 10: in places that have allowed me to do that safely, Like.

1452
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 8: Living in New Orleans is a huge part of that.

1453
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:49,839
Speaker 1: And why did you choose New Orleans? I love New Orleans.

1454
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,720
Speaker 8: I just love the city. I love the people, I

1455
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:53,719
Speaker 8: love the culture.

1456
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 6: Did you kind of break up with New York because

1457
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 6: I read something like that you kind of got tired

1458
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 6: of certain aspects of New York or East post elitism

1459
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 6: liberally like that.

1460
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 8: That was definitely a part of it. That was definitely

1461
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 8: a part of it. But I think you're doing in Brooklyn.

1462
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 1: We were doing so good in Brooklyn. You give it you.

1463
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 5: How do you doing all that gentrification in Brooklyn?

1464
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 10: And it's a lot, it happens, It's happening, It's happening, Yeah,

1465
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 10: but it's everywhere.

1466
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 1: Do you still have those house parties in New Orleans?

1467
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 1: Her last night in Brooklyn was was really cool. Like

1468
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: I had not even had a house party in my house,

1469
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 1: Like when I do a party, I gotta do it

1470
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 1: somewhere that's not in my house. Ship. Yeah, but it

1471
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 1: was like it was like a cool house party, like DJ.

1472
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 1: It was people on Earth. Yeah, I was.

1473
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 5: It's been twenty years.

1474
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know.

1475
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:56,720
Speaker 6: Can I just add on this to something that you said?

1476
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you, you know, Amir said something

1477
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 6: about just the perception of you. But I feel like

1478
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:05,520
Speaker 6: Solange fans have a different perception.

1479
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 5: Of you, and I think, yeah, like I feel like

1480
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 5: in kind of going back.

1481
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 6: To what Fante said, because I said to Fante when

1482
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 6: we first were talking about having you on the show,

1483
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,759
Speaker 6: I was like, you know, Solange is like she's free,

1484
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 6: you know, and either.

1485
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:18,799
Speaker 1: The male.

1486
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:23,679
Speaker 5: Who else?

1487
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 6: He said, what does that mean to you? And I said, well,

1488
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 6: to me, it means that whatever she does and whichever

1489
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 6: way she decides to do it, people who love her

1490
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 6: will follow, and that fuck with you. And you don't

1491
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 6: have any leashes or any fences around you, like and

1492
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 6: the way you said, it's so easily, like, you know,

1493
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 6: I get to say all these things that I want

1494
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 6: to say and do all these things I want to do.

1495
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 5: That's like freedom.

1496
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 6: Do you know that? Do you know your fans look

1497
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 6: at you as kind of like the free.

1498
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's it's a lot that

1499
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:57,679
Speaker 10: comes with that, because I think even just the design

1500
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 10: of the.

1501
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 8: Term like care free black girl.

1502
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:03,680
Speaker 10: Parts of that I embrace, and then parts of that

1503
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 10: I reject because I do have a lot of care.

1504
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 8: I don't know, I didn't say the care I know. Well,

1505
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 8: you know that's a girl.

1506
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 1: That's the new thing to care for you, that's the

1507
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 1: new Twitter turn.

1508
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 5: What is a carefree black girl?

1509
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 6: There's no such thing, but you were well, I.

1510
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 10: Of if we claim that, and we we claim that

1511
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 10: as our names, that people are not allowed to see

1512
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 10: black women as carefree individuals. They see us as angry

1513
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 10: black women, as you know, very wonful.

1514
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 1: This just turned into an episode of.

1515
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 6: You know, can I just ask as men, like what

1516
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 6: you just said, I feel all the time, y'all, don't

1517
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:56,679
Speaker 6: that doesn't.

1518
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 5: Just make you tire, just might be real.

1519
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 4: This this is like black healing time. No, No, that

1520
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 4: was real because what she said, because sometimes she took

1521
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:08,559
Speaker 4: the words out of my mouth when she was talking

1522
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 4: about like strong black women, And that's something that I've

1523
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 4: always what I think is like, you know, kind of

1524
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 4: the gift and the curse, so to speak of black

1525
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 4: women is that that's like the first thing that black

1526
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 4: women always described as she's so strong, she's so strong,

1527
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 4: so strong, and so when you do that, it's like, yeah,

1528
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 4: they're strong in the sense of like what we've had

1529
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 4: to endure as people and how like women have been

1530
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 4: the backbone of the family and all the voise, right,

1531
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:37,640
Speaker 4: But it wasn't a choice. And too, when you characterize

1532
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:39,560
Speaker 4: something as always being strong, you don't ever give it

1533
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 4: a chance to be delicate. So you don't ever get,

1534
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 4: you know, a black black woman get to be soft

1535
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 4: or vulnerable or delicate or fragile, you know what I'm saying.

1536
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 4: You never get to see them in that way. So again,

1537
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 4: that was just one of the things I liked about

1538
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 4: your album. Gives a full portrait of just a black woman.

1539
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm like getting.

1540
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: On the other hand, apparently you are your friends free

1541
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 1: in the Black Woman. I love black women.

1542
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 10: And Bill.

1543
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 4: And I must say, and this is all because me

1544
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 4: and slides we had a Twitter incident.

1545
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:23,439
Speaker 1: There was a lot of incidents.

1546
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 5: Definitely had a Twitter incident.

1547
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 1: But it was all good about that.

1548
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:34,960
Speaker 8: But you know what I will say about my black asses,

1549
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 8: I will pick up a phone.

1550
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: She was and that day was when it was little

1551
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 1: brother to reunite. That's all I wanted. And now we're here,

1552
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 1: that's all. Now this is happening.

1553
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 8: But it was cool.

1554
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 1: I mean, we traveled off.

1555
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 8: It was all respect for each other. That's the way

1556
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 8: it should be.

1557
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 10: I'm really really like clean and sober Twitter beefs for

1558
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,720
Speaker 10: very long time, but I really really try to pick

1559
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,680
Speaker 10: up the phone. So I appreciated that moment because a

1560
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 10: lot of people are scared of that dialogue, like they

1561
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:12,720
Speaker 10: want to to leave it there, and.

1562
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 1: It's like, nah, were in the real world speaking of

1563
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 1: your Twitter beast. I must say.

1564
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:26,280
Speaker 4: I liked that it was her uh deep album Deep

1565
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 4: Brandy album, yea necessary necessary.

1566
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 8: She has a song called It's necessary that I love

1567
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 8: that record.

1568
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 1: That's all.

1569
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 8: You're like, Yeah, that was the set up huge feld.

1570
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 1: John from the New York Yeah, have you spoken to

1571
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:49,639
Speaker 1: him about so? Yeah, we must love the album because.

1572
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 8: Love the album. Yeah.

1573
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 10: So what I will say is that again, me, me,

1574
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,759
Speaker 10: and and I pick up the phone you call looking

1575
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 10: at us. So yeah, after that happened, I tracked down

1576
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:06,760
Speaker 10: his number.

1577
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:14,600
Speaker 8: And I emailed him immediately because, like I said, I

1578
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 8: really do.

1579
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:20,440
Speaker 10: I'm a big fan of conversation, Like, nothing about conversation

1580
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 10: scares me.

1581
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 8: I think again, not to bring it back to my dad.

1582
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:27,639
Speaker 10: I think that was one thing that for whatever reason

1583
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 10: he put a lot of emphasis on, like never be

1584
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 10: afraid of conversation. So when I, you know, heard and

1585
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:39,360
Speaker 10: read those statements that he made about don't let the

1586
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:43,600
Speaker 10: hand write the hand that feeds you and wouldn't be

1587
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 10: solange if there was no Grizzly Bear and YadA YadA,

1588
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:52,720
Speaker 10: I immediately reached out to him. I said, can we

1589
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 10: have a conversation about your statements? And he wrote back

1590
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 10: something very snarky and I speak record in fact, if

1591
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,040
Speaker 10: I'm going to be perfectly honest, and I think that

1592
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 10: this is it sucks that he has to bear the

1593
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 10: weight of this. But this really was sort of the

1594
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:22,840
Speaker 10: catalyst and the moment that I said I have to

1595
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 10: write this album. So it's an important part of the

1596
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 10: conversationis it was? It was I lost a lot of

1597
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,719
Speaker 10: sleep about that, and I wrote him and I second,

1598
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 10: I have a conversation you wrote back he said, I'm

1599
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 10: assuming you don't want to talk about to me. So

1600
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:40,839
Speaker 10: I just kind of scratched my head and was like, okay,

1601
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 10: this is what we're doing here, And ultimately a conversation

1602
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 10: was not had, and I felt very silenced. And again

1603
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,760
Speaker 10: it's sort of like that craft work incident where you

1604
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 10: are like brewing in this incident.

1605
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:02,559
Speaker 8: And you're not really able to speak your piece.

1606
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:11,879
Speaker 10: And it was so crazy because the conversation about Brandy

1607
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 10: was completely isolated. It had nothing to do actually with

1608
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 10: what they were originally talking about, which was like a

1609
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 10: review of a Chief Keef album, which I couldn't tell

1610
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:23,760
Speaker 10: you anything.

1611
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 8: About a Chief Keef album.

1612
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:27,640
Speaker 10: That was an isolated thing that I just kind of

1613
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 10: got looped into through virtue of the topic of cultural tourism.

1614
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 8: And I think it was all relevant in that way,

1615
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:39,960
Speaker 8: but I was just kind of being looped into it,

1616
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 8: and it was so weird.

1617
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:46,840
Speaker 10: Marty Garras in New Orleans, I have a very different experience,

1618
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 10: is very spiritual for me, and it's like when fat

1619
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:51,719
Speaker 10: Tuesday comes, that's.

1620
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:55,679
Speaker 8: The day of release and relief. And for whatever reason,

1621
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,799
Speaker 8: it was Marti Gras three years later.

1622
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 10: And I just said, I have to free myself of

1623
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:06,479
Speaker 10: this one incident before I go through this next chapter

1624
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:15,120
Speaker 10: of Marti Gras. And it was actually, I believe like

1625
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:20,320
Speaker 10: Pitchfork or someone wrote something about Brandy. I can't remember

1626
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 10: exactly what happened, but I know Saint Hron had written

1627
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 10: something around the same time and so it just brought

1628
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 10: up a lot of emotions and shit got ruined. And

1629
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:37,360
Speaker 10: I got his phone number from someone and I called

1630
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 10: and I just say, you know, last night, I just

1631
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:47,760
Speaker 10: got really pissed, and it was the day before Mardi Gras.

1632
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:49,240
Speaker 10: I needed to get it off my chest.

1633
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:52,799
Speaker 8: I went to Twitter. It probably wasn't the best form,

1634
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,479
Speaker 8: but I wanted to call and really explain to you

1635
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 8: what the deal was.

1636
01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 10: And he immediately knew he apologies, guys. He felt very

1637
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 10: remorseful for using that terminalogy. But I still feel like

1638
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 10: there's a lot of fuzziness, like a lot of people

1639
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:09,640
Speaker 10: still don't really know.

1640
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:11,440
Speaker 8: They didn't hear the podcast.

1641
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:16,040
Speaker 10: So it felt again very reactive from a black woman,

1642
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:19,599
Speaker 10: you know, rolling her neck and smacking her gumbs.

1643
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:23,479
Speaker 1: Okay, real quick, this question, Love Supreme Wan Ben Duran.

1644
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 1: We're talking with our guests a lunch about Twitter beefs,

1645
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 1: and one in particular she had with the writer from

1646
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 1: New York Times. Can I catch light you up? Do

1647
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 1: you know where you are in the story now?

1648
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:36,839
Speaker 8: I know I did not tell that very clear.

1649
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, so basically I don't. She expressed well justified

1650
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 1: admiration and fandom for Brandy's work.

1651
01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 8: Of which I'm a megastan.

1652
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess Bill and I can also agree

1653
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 1: to this. You look at me like I pulled you

1654
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:02,360
Speaker 1: on the agree to what about to be in the ship? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

1655
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:07,559
Speaker 1: I think everyone can agree so as especially her debut record,

1656
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean just in general, but her debut record was

1657
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:16,640
Speaker 1: probably one of the probably a very pleasant surprise in

1658
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:20,800
Speaker 1: it's in its artistry. And you know, oftentimes black music

1659
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 1: is so cut and paste and and quick money and

1660
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:28,080
Speaker 1: here's the hit, and here's the follow up hit, and

1661
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:35,439
Speaker 1: it's disposable. But Brandy and her producers Keith Crouch and

1662
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:42,120
Speaker 1: Jipper Jones. Kipper Jones really made something that that that

1663
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 1: was lasting and you know, really amazing, and she expressed

1664
01:44:46,040 --> 01:44:49,240
Speaker 1: admiration for that, and I guess and kind of the

1665
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 1: way that we kind of dismissed La with her opinions,

1666
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:57,640
Speaker 1: just like we do. Yeah, exactly. You look at her

1667
01:44:57,680 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 1: looking at you right now, Margaret.

1668
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, right, I do, I do. I'm sorry.

1669
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 6: I want to hear about this though, because I want

1670
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:08,719
Speaker 6: to I want to not like this motherfucker.

1671
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 1: What do you say?

1672
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 10: Essentially, it became it became no he didn't throw he

1673
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 10: didn't throw some shade. Essentially, I expressed this, and it

1674
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:26,599
Speaker 10: became a little bit of a joke between indie white bros.

1675
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:32,439
Speaker 10: I expressed, you know that, as a music journalist, that

1676
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:35,320
Speaker 10: you shouldn't even feel qualified, which I still stand by

1677
01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 10: to write about R and B music unless you really

1678
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 10: understand Brandy's influence on the culture of R and B music.

1679
01:45:43,439 --> 01:45:47,880
Speaker 10: When you're writing about Frank Ocean and the innovation of

1680
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,160
Speaker 10: black artists today, she needs to be a part of

1681
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 10: that conversation because she is valued.

1682
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:54,720
Speaker 8: In that way.

1683
01:45:55,520 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 10: And essentially it became a hashtag, primarily by white music

1684
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 10: journalists who Wright wrote for indie blogs and magazines, and

1685
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,400
Speaker 10: they turned it into a hashtag deep Brandy album cuts,

1686
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:10,400
Speaker 10: and it became like a.

1687
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1688
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:16,360
Speaker 10: And so New York Times reached out to me. They

1689
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 10: said they were doing a podcast about cultural tourism. Apparently

1690
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 10: around the same time there was a lot of resistance

1691
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:27,120
Speaker 10: from black hip hop writers who had problems with the

1692
01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:29,800
Speaker 10: way that a Chief Key review was written about. So

1693
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 10: they were having this podcast about cultural tourism, invited me on.

1694
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 10: I decline. I did not see any incentive for me

1695
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 10: to go and have a debate with two white men

1696
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:48,400
Speaker 10: about cultural tourism just didn't make sense. So I was

1697
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:54,559
Speaker 10: not present, and they brought up me speaking about Brandy

1698
01:46:54,720 --> 01:47:00,880
Speaker 10: and the little hashtag, and essentially he said that he

1699
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:03,479
Speaker 10: was a fan of mine, that he went to my

1700
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 10: show and made him feel good and fuzzy inside. But

1701
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:13,480
Speaker 10: let's be clear that there would not be a Solange

1702
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 10: album if if it weren't for Grizzly Bear.

1703
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 6: Right, and they are I thought we were using cold language.

1704
01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 10: Actually, dear friends of mine and I put out that

1705
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 10: record on one of their labels.

1706
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 1: I love the label terrible.

1707
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 10: To him, he did not know the general landscape of

1708
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 10: my album. He didn't know that Hadley Street il Soold

1709
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:54,599
Speaker 10: True five six times over. But what he was saying

1710
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:57,920
Speaker 10: was that because that was a primarily black audience who

1711
01:47:58,040 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 10: bought that and True was a primarily audience, that my

1712
01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:07,360
Speaker 10: relevancy rested in that that world, and his friends and

1713
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 10: his bros knew about me and valued me in that way.

1714
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:17,040
Speaker 10: And he actually ended off that statement by saying, does

1715
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:19,880
Speaker 10: she know who buys her records? And if I were her,

1716
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 10: I would not bite the hand that feeds me.

1717
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:26,040
Speaker 1: Trying to say, don't all these white Yeads depending was

1718
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:27,600
Speaker 1: mightier than and.

1719
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:33,240
Speaker 10: Then he named on his Twitter the podcast, like his

1720
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:36,920
Speaker 10: introduction to the podcast was called does Solange know who's

1721
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:38,760
Speaker 10: buying her records? Oh? Wow?

1722
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:39,679
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1723
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:41,680
Speaker 4: This is times where I feel like it like that

1724
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 4: was one of the instances where I really feel like

1725
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 4: it should kind of go back to days of like

1726
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 4: you know, when chi Ococa got knocked out by uh yeah,

1727
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 4: like where journalists were really you know, held accountable, held

1728
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:57,959
Speaker 4: account of, held accountable.

1729
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 10: I mean I had a lot of I had a

1730
01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 10: lot of black men that I have to say came hard,

1731
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:05,320
Speaker 10: like if you want me to do this.

1732
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:08,560
Speaker 8: There was definitely a lot of conversations like that.

1733
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:12,280
Speaker 10: But ultimately, and I actually on Don't You Wait on

1734
01:49:12,360 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 10: my album, I say, I don't want to bite the

1735
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 10: hand and with my whole life, but I didn't want

1736
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 10: to build the land that has fed you your whole life.

1737
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:25,920
Speaker 1: I know that is so I wanted to ask you

1738
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 1: about that.

1739
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:31,440
Speaker 8: I said my piece, But I think I think ultimately

1740
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:32,519
Speaker 8: that was just.

1741
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:38,439
Speaker 10: The emotional tormal and taxing that goes on and being

1742
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 10: silenced and me feeling like there's no way that I

1743
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:46,719
Speaker 10: can actually break this down and him still be held

1744
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 10: accountable at the level that he deserves to be held accountable,

1745
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 10: because that's just the way that things work, and that

1746
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:58,120
Speaker 10: is the alliances that this industry has.

1747
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 8: Created to protect people to be able to say this.

1748
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:04,920
Speaker 10: And then one day I just had enough and I

1749
01:50:05,479 --> 01:50:09,280
Speaker 10: went on Twitter before Marty Gras was like, it's been

1750
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:10,160
Speaker 10: three years.

1751
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 8: And I've been wanting to tell you. Don't you ever

1752
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 8: tell a black woman not to bite the hand? My

1753
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:17,000
Speaker 8: mama was so mad. She wouldn't let it go because

1754
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 8: someone told her baby, don't bite the hand. That feet.

1755
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:24,800
Speaker 1: Of that.

1756
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 8: It's really deep and I had to hold him accountable

1757
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 8: for that.

1758
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:31,519
Speaker 10: I'm sure he is a nice guy and I'm sure

1759
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:35,600
Speaker 10: he's learned a lot through this incident. And he told me,

1760
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 10: you know, he had people calling him that were really disappointed,

1761
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:44,040
Speaker 10: and I felt validation in that. I felt like, we

1762
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 10: have to be held accountable. I surely have been held

1763
01:50:47,520 --> 01:50:52,160
Speaker 10: accountable for my functionit, so you have to too. And

1764
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 10: it sucks when that has to be public. But you know,

1765
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:58,920
Speaker 10: the incident was made public when you decided to say

1766
01:50:59,000 --> 01:50:59,439
Speaker 10: that on.

1767
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:01,960
Speaker 6: Record, And we're learning what not to say in these

1768
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:04,759
Speaker 6: days and age. I think we're really on track to learn.

1769
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:10,120
Speaker 1: I thank you for that, because especially the way that

1770
01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:17,600
Speaker 1: I publicly have declared my life uh and uh in

1771
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:19,800
Speaker 1: a way that's like it's it's so in depth to

1772
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:23,880
Speaker 1: music critics and how I acknowledge that they have their

1773
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:26,559
Speaker 1: hands on the guillotine button in any moment, they can

1774
01:51:27,320 --> 01:51:30,519
Speaker 1: make or break my life. They once did this to

1775
01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 1: Donald Glover with a very mean spirited, uh like one.

1776
01:51:38,600 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 1: I think Pitchford gave him like a one, not why no, no, no,

1777
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:45,320
Speaker 1: this is his one of his records got a one.

1778
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:48,000
Speaker 1: It was just like a mean spirited we can wow,

1779
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, like if you get a one, that's like,

1780
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:54,320
Speaker 1: I mean to put it in perspective like Motten Tomatoes

1781
01:51:54,439 --> 01:51:58,120
Speaker 1: and Andrew originally from Whim got a half from Rolling

1782
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:01,560
Speaker 1: Stone like they'd never review it. They just wanted to

1783
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:03,640
Speaker 1: be mean flexed about it and do that.

1784
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:07,760
Speaker 6: Don't y'all remembers the critics names they remember y'all and

1785
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:08,439
Speaker 6: so who you are?

1786
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 1: You have one? Just in general since since the onslough

1787
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:19,080
Speaker 1: what I call Pitchfork culture, which is yeah, I do too.

1788
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 8: It's it. It sucks when it feels like it is

1789
01:52:23,240 --> 01:52:25,679
Speaker 8: a modern day good old boys club.

1790
01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:29,160
Speaker 1: Can I ask because on the other side of that coin.

1791
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 1: One of the best, most eloquent reviews of your album,

1792
01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:44,040
Speaker 1: ironically also came from Pitchwork, which I was shocked at

1793
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 1: the level of all the right things that were said. Now,

1794
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, I've known that since since two thousand and four,

1795
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 1: they've really diversified.

1796
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:56,719
Speaker 8: Absolutely, I'm happy.

1797
01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:59,760
Speaker 10: I'm happy about the work that they've done. And this

1798
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:03,600
Speaker 10: this is the thing about that situation that happened. I

1799
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:07,080
Speaker 10: felt like there was a spin on that story in

1800
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:11,920
Speaker 10: that I was like somehow unhappy or being braddy about

1801
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:16,280
Speaker 10: the way that they were talking about me. I have,

1802
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:22,920
Speaker 10: you know, always had great reviews from my albums in general,

1803
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 10: I feel which I've been, you know, really happy about.

1804
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:30,759
Speaker 8: But I do feel like there were certain narratives coming

1805
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:33,320
Speaker 8: out of that brand of.

1806
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:40,519
Speaker 10: Indie music blogs in general during that time, and people

1807
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:43,840
Speaker 10: have held them accountable and I've seen the changes and

1808
01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:46,760
Speaker 10: I've seen the transformations, and I'm happy. That's all you

1809
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:49,680
Speaker 10: can ask for, is when you can plain about some

1810
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:53,360
Speaker 10: shit and you uphold people to that responsibility that they're

1811
01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:57,120
Speaker 10: willing to make the changes that people are asking for.

1812
01:53:57,320 --> 01:53:59,800
Speaker 10: And I've seen that and I've respected it.

1813
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm glad you did it, because oftentimes

1814
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,640
Speaker 1: I feel like journalists can also be ass petty they

1815
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 1: want to and then wait till the next record comes down,

1816
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:14,840
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean for those that are are

1817
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:18,719
Speaker 1: in the dark. I guess a lot of my disdain

1818
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:22,439
Speaker 1: for some of the Well, first of all, the Internet

1819
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 1: just gives anybody the right to be super journalists if

1820
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:29,280
Speaker 1: they want to be. But I often noticed that, Uh,

1821
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:34,640
Speaker 1: there was there was a period in which I guess

1822
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:39,040
Speaker 1: they they were trying to determine what was authentically black

1823
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:44,400
Speaker 1: absolutely and really what was pretentious. So there was a period.

1824
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:47,560
Speaker 1: There was a period where like there's there's a really

1825
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 1: glowing review of Hell haf No Fury, the CLIs second album,

1826
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:57,839
Speaker 1: which was a dope album, which it was amazing.

1827
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 7: It was amazing Internet blocker Bible, I swear to god,

1828
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:04,360
Speaker 7: they went so fucking crazy over that record.

1829
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like but at the level of eloquence

1830
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:11,680
Speaker 1: and beauty, like the review, the Pitchwork review of Hell

1831
01:55:11,800 --> 01:55:16,120
Speaker 1: Have No Fury was almost as incredible as the album itself.

1832
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 1: But then it left me questioning because I knew why

1833
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 1: I love the record, but just see the levels of salivating,

1834
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:28,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know, watch but it was it

1835
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:29,120
Speaker 1: was like looking at.

1836
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:34,360
Speaker 5: Land like, wait, are you.

1837
01:55:34,440 --> 01:55:36,320
Speaker 1: Never you're laughing with me or you're laughing at me.

1838
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:40,760
Speaker 10: It's it's kind of right, right, and so that's I'm

1839
01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 10: so happy though that that's like deading.

1840
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:48,919
Speaker 8: It feels like it is. You think, maybe I'm being optimistic.

1841
01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:52,440
Speaker 10: But I remember it was like during that time where

1842
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:55,720
Speaker 10: I went on all of the profiles of people who

1843
01:55:55,800 --> 01:55:58,560
Speaker 10: were saying, oh hell yeah I was.

1844
01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:06,000
Speaker 8: I saw every single one of them had a profile

1845
01:56:06,120 --> 01:56:09,520
Speaker 8: picture of of something ratchet and.

1846
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:11,120
Speaker 1: They would never subscribe to you.

1847
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:14,480
Speaker 10: I was like, let somebody drop your ass off in

1848
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:17,400
Speaker 10: that part of Chicago and take a field trip for

1849
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:20,080
Speaker 10: the day and see how that goes for you. Since

1850
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:24,280
Speaker 10: we want to talk about cultural tourism like you know. So,

1851
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:27,640
Speaker 10: but I do feel like I feel like we're.

1852
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:28,440
Speaker 8: Moving away from that.

1853
01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:30,600
Speaker 10: No, I don't know.

1854
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:35,520
Speaker 8: I couldn't be wrong. Maybe I just stop giving au.

1855
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:41,520
Speaker 10: But I think I think honestly, when it comes to

1856
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 10: you know, reviews and things like that, like you can't

1857
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 10: give that energy in that way because I just feel

1858
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:54,040
Speaker 10: like in two thousand and eight, during the Hadley Street

1859
01:56:54,240 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 10: shows and the aftermath of shows and meeting black girls

1860
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:04,640
Speaker 10: who said some of the most profound, powerful things that

1861
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:07,760
Speaker 10: I felt like I had to then live up to,

1862
01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 10: you know, after the shows, those are the reviews for me,

1863
01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:14,640
Speaker 10: those are the moments, and even with this album, you know,

1864
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:21,520
Speaker 10: it's been really important to me that I honor those moments.

1865
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:25,040
Speaker 10: You know, this is so wonderful that my music is

1866
01:57:25,160 --> 01:57:28,360
Speaker 10: being able to reach as many people as it is

1867
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:34,960
Speaker 10: and the dialogue of like, oh, this is your best work,

1868
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:38,600
Speaker 10: and it is definitely an elevation of my work. But

1869
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:40,600
Speaker 10: I feel proud of all of my work, and I

1870
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:46,200
Speaker 10: feel really proud of the connectivity and the black girls

1871
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:49,040
Speaker 10: that have been at my show since I was twenty one,

1872
01:57:49,240 --> 01:57:52,760
Speaker 10: who are still there and are still connecting, like those

1873
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 10: are my reviews. Those are sacred moments of being in

1874
01:57:57,320 --> 01:58:02,280
Speaker 10: Paris and black girls telling me like we were never

1875
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:07,879
Speaker 10: told that we can wear I makeup blue and crazy lipstick,

1876
01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:11,320
Speaker 10: like this be aloud and it be like, those are

1877
01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:14,960
Speaker 10: my reviews. You know, There's nothing that can feel better

1878
01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:17,680
Speaker 10: to me than that, because I was that girl. I

1879
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:20,800
Speaker 10: was that girl with Reese and Caalise and all of

1880
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:24,120
Speaker 10: these girls were coming out and I saw people how

1881
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:27,120
Speaker 10: I saw myself and what that did for my confidence

1882
01:58:27,240 --> 01:58:28,200
Speaker 10: and my self worth.

1883
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:33,240
Speaker 8: That was everything to me. So the reviews are nice,

1884
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:36,360
Speaker 8: but that's what I thrive off of.

1885
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:39,600
Speaker 10: That's what makes me get back in the lab, Like, Okay,

1886
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:43,360
Speaker 10: I gotta write some shit to honor that. And if

1887
01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:46,920
Speaker 10: you feel a connection to it and you write something glowing,

1888
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:51,280
Speaker 10: that's beautiful. But what you won't do is disrespect my heroes.

1889
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:55,160
Speaker 10: I feel very, very very protective of my heroes, whoever

1890
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:58,440
Speaker 10: that might be. And I feel like still to this

1891
01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 10: day that like Full Moon for me, like that's such

1892
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:09,680
Speaker 10: an experimental, weird as avant garde progressive record and going

1893
01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:13,080
Speaker 10: further than half of the shit that you're writing about

1894
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:17,520
Speaker 10: and saying it is so innovative. I mean, the sounds

1895
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:20,400
Speaker 10: and the landscapes that they created with that album. So

1896
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:23,440
Speaker 10: you just aren't going to leave people out of this context,

1897
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:28,520
Speaker 10: you know, like even for my record, like Tweet is

1898
01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:32,320
Speaker 10: my vocal bible, Like, you're not going to leave these

1899
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:35,640
Speaker 10: people out of the context that all of us are

1900
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 10: actually building and inspired by. And that's the part of

1901
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:44,360
Speaker 10: that culture that I don't have respect for, is the

1902
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:49,160
Speaker 10: pet favorites of the moment without honoring the work and

1903
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:50,760
Speaker 10: the influence behind them.

1904
01:59:51,160 --> 01:59:53,680
Speaker 5: How did Brandy receive all your fighting and all the.

1905
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:56,840
Speaker 8: This is really a lot.

1906
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:06,000
Speaker 10: No, she actually, you know, publicly says she really appreciated

1907
02:00:06,040 --> 02:00:08,960
Speaker 10: it and it made her feel really good.

1908
02:00:09,160 --> 02:00:13,440
Speaker 8: And you know, she says some really kind things. But

1909
02:00:14,040 --> 02:00:15,600
Speaker 8: one more time it could get weird.

1910
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:30,920
Speaker 1: So Solann's what, how eclectic has your record collection always been? Actually? Actually?

1911
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:34,160
Speaker 8: Okay, this is like a cool way to answer.

1912
02:00:35,400 --> 02:00:38,560
Speaker 1: Okay, well, growing up? All right, let's take it the

1913
02:00:39,160 --> 02:00:42,120
Speaker 1: late eighties, early nineties, when you're no, when you're younger, Yes,

1914
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:47,960
Speaker 1: what does the Noles family record collection look like like?

1915
02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:49,760
Speaker 1: If you're taking family trips somewhere?

1916
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:50,120
Speaker 7: Right?

1917
02:00:50,360 --> 02:00:51,520
Speaker 1: Who controls the radio?

1918
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:52,600
Speaker 8: So?

1919
02:00:53,200 --> 02:00:57,440
Speaker 10: Okay, so you have to understand that Kelly from Destiny's

1920
02:00:57,520 --> 02:01:02,760
Speaker 10: Child is like a sister me. She moved in with

1921
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:05,160
Speaker 10: us when I was five, so as far as I

1922
02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:08,400
Speaker 10: have memory, she was there. And then we have my

1923
02:01:08,600 --> 02:01:10,920
Speaker 10: cousin Angie, who's also like a sister to me.

1924
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:15,360
Speaker 1: You're still trying to play guitar, she is, she's.

1925
02:01:15,200 --> 02:01:21,360
Speaker 8: Doing really good. Angie moved in when I was ten,

1926
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:24,000
Speaker 8: so as far as I can remember, I have four sisters.

1927
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:25,080
Speaker 8: And then my mom.

1928
02:01:25,200 --> 02:01:27,760
Speaker 10: So my dad was outnumbered by women. It was a

1929
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:34,920
Speaker 10: five woman household. So the really cool thing about that

1930
02:01:35,160 --> 02:01:38,040
Speaker 10: is that all three of my sisters had very different

1931
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:43,920
Speaker 10: musical tastes. Kelly was very much so into alternative music.

1932
02:01:44,240 --> 02:01:47,480
Speaker 10: She listened to a lot of Fiona Apple and Elena's Morriset.

1933
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:52,720
Speaker 10: My sister actually listened to a lot of Mariah Carey,

1934
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:57,200
Speaker 10: and then when she got older, she listened to a

1935
02:01:57,280 --> 02:02:01,720
Speaker 10: lot of soul music, Arita Sugy, She's the one who

1936
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:03,760
Speaker 10: put me up on all of that stuff. And then

1937
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:07,120
Speaker 10: Angie listened to a lot of hip hop, a lot

1938
02:02:07,240 --> 02:02:12,080
Speaker 10: of Tupac, Little Kim Too Shore, a lot of Houston shit.

1939
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:18,280
Speaker 10: So I had the experience to grow up around so

1940
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:22,080
Speaker 10: many different types of music between my older sisters and

1941
02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:25,400
Speaker 10: then my parents were just all about earth Wind and

1942
02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:26,879
Speaker 10: Fire Isley Brothers.

1943
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:31,160
Speaker 8: My mom owned a hair salon, so they had like

1944
02:02:31,240 --> 02:02:33,400
Speaker 8: a stack of CDs that she would.

1945
02:02:33,280 --> 02:02:36,640
Speaker 10: Play, you know, throughout the day at the hair salon,

1946
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:40,480
Speaker 10: And I actually used to play the records when I

1947
02:02:40,520 --> 02:02:43,120
Speaker 10: would get home from school, but it was only like.

1948
02:02:44,760 --> 02:02:47,160
Speaker 8: Twelve earth Wind and Fire records I could choose out

1949
02:02:47,240 --> 02:02:51,879
Speaker 8: of our Isley Brothers. That was like the two favorites.

1950
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:59,920
Speaker 10: My parents, though, actually met arguing over records my music.

1951
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:04,560
Speaker 8: Yep. My dad was like kind of a man around town,

1952
02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:05,560
Speaker 8: and he had his.

1953
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:11,320
Speaker 10: Apartment and he had all these like parties there that

1954
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:12,360
Speaker 10: people knew about.

1955
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:13,440
Speaker 8: And my mom went with.

1956
02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:18,480
Speaker 10: Her friend and he was an extensive vinyl collector, like

1957
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:23,840
Speaker 10: hardcore don't touch my records type of guy, and my

1958
02:03:23,960 --> 02:03:27,240
Speaker 10: mom started flipping through his records and he walked over

1959
02:03:27,360 --> 02:03:30,320
Speaker 10: to her and the first words of them ever meeting

1960
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:34,400
Speaker 10: was him saying, don't touch my records, and she was.

1961
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:38,320
Speaker 1: Like, records, yes.

1962
02:03:39,400 --> 02:03:43,200
Speaker 10: So they had like a little argument actually, and then

1963
02:03:43,720 --> 02:03:47,000
Speaker 10: I guess it turned into flirting, but.

1964
02:03:49,720 --> 02:03:50,240
Speaker 8: Exactly.

1965
02:03:50,920 --> 02:03:54,800
Speaker 10: But yeah, I mean I grew up, I would say,

1966
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:59,360
Speaker 10: primarily like soul music was at the forefront, but through

1967
02:03:59,400 --> 02:04:02,000
Speaker 10: the influence of my sisters, I heard a little bit

1968
02:04:02,040 --> 02:04:08,040
Speaker 10: of everything. And then when I became about thirteen, I

1969
02:04:08,120 --> 02:04:12,120
Speaker 10: started dancing for Destiny's Child and I went on the

1970
02:04:12,240 --> 02:04:14,400
Speaker 10: road with them, and we spent a lot of time

1971
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:17,920
Speaker 10: in Europe, and as you know, over there, the radio

1972
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:21,720
Speaker 10: formats are extremely different. So I'd be in London, you know,

1973
02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:24,520
Speaker 10: for two weeks and here in New York and Chemical

1974
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:28,040
Speaker 10: Brothers and all of this shit on the radio, and

1975
02:04:28,160 --> 02:04:31,760
Speaker 10: I would go back to actually I was eleven. It

1976
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:34,600
Speaker 10: was before I started dancing for them, because I remember

1977
02:04:34,720 --> 02:04:37,400
Speaker 10: going back to my junior high school and playing New

1978
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:38,240
Speaker 10: York records.

1979
02:04:38,600 --> 02:04:41,720
Speaker 8: My friends like, I don't know what the fuck. Yeah,

1980
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:45,520
Speaker 8: I'm doing over there, but we don't really dig this shit.

1981
02:04:47,200 --> 02:04:50,760
Speaker 10: And so I went through like a serious, downbeat, electronic

1982
02:04:51,640 --> 02:04:54,520
Speaker 10: middle school moment where it was just like All Boards

1983
02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:55,560
Speaker 10: of Canada.

1984
02:04:55,360 --> 02:04:56,200
Speaker 8: Pevery or.

1985
02:04:57,920 --> 02:04:59,520
Speaker 5: Seven, all that.

1986
02:05:01,880 --> 02:05:06,600
Speaker 10: Canada, and so I kind of went into that landscape.

1987
02:05:06,760 --> 02:05:11,120
Speaker 10: And then I would say, really like the thriving moment

1988
02:05:11,440 --> 02:05:15,680
Speaker 10: of my musicality in terms of, you know, just collecting

1989
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:21,360
Speaker 10: music was around thirteen. That was, like, you know, obviously

1990
02:05:22,160 --> 02:05:26,520
Speaker 10: around the time that the sol Aquarians came onto the scene,

1991
02:05:26,760 --> 02:05:32,000
Speaker 10: and I, for the first time felt a connection outside

1992
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:35,440
Speaker 10: of the music, but more so just culturally of people

1993
02:05:35,680 --> 02:05:39,080
Speaker 10: who I felt like I could identify myself with.

1994
02:05:40,120 --> 02:05:41,720
Speaker 1: Honest no, no, no, I'm not.

1995
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:42,760
Speaker 5: Just laughed at me.

1996
02:05:42,840 --> 02:05:49,280
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it wasn't that. I don't know if

1997
02:05:49,280 --> 02:05:51,240
Speaker 1: I want to tell the story now, because you just

1998
02:05:51,320 --> 02:05:55,280
Speaker 1: said something and it triggered off. Do you not remember Sacramento?

1999
02:05:56,160 --> 02:05:59,640
Speaker 1: All right, So we're in Sacramento. The Voodoo Tour is

2000
02:05:59,720 --> 02:06:04,200
Speaker 1: in Sane Sacremento. But for some reason, h one of

2001
02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:08,000
Speaker 1: those like uh power jams or whatever, you know, like

2002
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:13,960
Speaker 1: everybody that is also supposed to be the same night,

2003
02:06:14,040 --> 02:06:19,760
Speaker 1: but for some strange reason, they decided to mix both nights.

2004
02:06:20,360 --> 02:06:23,880
Speaker 1: So this is one of the rare times in which

2005
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:29,320
Speaker 1: d'angelo's voodoo tour is also sharing a bill with Destiny's Child.

2006
02:06:29,720 --> 02:06:33,280
Speaker 1: Oh wow. So the whole point was that you said

2007
02:06:33,320 --> 02:06:37,560
Speaker 1: all these things, and it reminded me of the time

2008
02:06:37,600 --> 02:06:41,080
Speaker 1: that you're not aware of. All right, So Devil Spy

2009
02:06:41,200 --> 02:06:44,600
Speaker 1: is the first song that's performed. Here's the thing. If

2010
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:50,320
Speaker 1: D'Angelo knows that someone notable is watching him perform, that

2011
02:06:50,520 --> 02:06:54,400
Speaker 1: could be a good thing. I'll i seeing shock of

2012
02:06:54,440 --> 02:07:00,160
Speaker 1: combackstage and him really being in rare form, or that

2013
02:07:00,320 --> 02:07:05,280
Speaker 1: could be a bad thing. Allah Destiny's Child in the

2014
02:07:05,360 --> 02:07:08,440
Speaker 1: corner watching him. Now, there was a slew of women there,

2015
02:07:08,480 --> 02:07:10,760
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that you're also in this or you

2016
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:13,400
Speaker 1: don't have a recollection of the story. Anyway, My point

2017
02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:18,920
Speaker 1: was that in Deed's excitement of this moment, uh, and

2018
02:07:19,080 --> 02:07:20,880
Speaker 1: he was very big on the James Brown moves and

2019
02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:23,840
Speaker 1: all that stuff. There's a point in Devil's Pie where

2020
02:07:23,880 --> 02:07:27,000
Speaker 1: he runs across the stage and he slides to the

2021
02:07:27,080 --> 02:07:30,480
Speaker 1: microphone right before we get to that hole. All a lot,

2022
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:36,960
Speaker 1: but there was a nail. Oh fuck wait, I didn't

2023
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:38,520
Speaker 1: even get to the punch on yet. There was a

2024
02:07:38,640 --> 02:07:42,400
Speaker 1: nail slightly sticking out the stage and he had on

2025
02:07:42,640 --> 02:07:52,080
Speaker 1: like very thin leathers. Did you have yes. So the

2026
02:07:52,160 --> 02:07:56,080
Speaker 1: point was that I was noticing that, Wow, he's really

2027
02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:59,040
Speaker 1: singing the ship out of this song like his life

2028
02:07:59,080 --> 02:08:01,360
Speaker 1: depends on it. And then when I looked to the left,

2029
02:08:02,080 --> 02:08:04,240
Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, he's showing off. And the

2030
02:08:04,360 --> 02:08:07,240
Speaker 1: thing was when he slid and imagine like sliding the

2031
02:08:07,280 --> 02:08:13,120
Speaker 1: home plate, he just basically sliced his entire side of

2032
02:08:13,160 --> 02:08:15,920
Speaker 1: his pants off. So I mean, he wasn't naked. It

2033
02:08:16,040 --> 02:08:18,600
Speaker 1: was just that when she mentioned voodoo and soul aquarians,

2034
02:08:19,440 --> 02:08:21,880
Speaker 1: it just triggered, wait a minute, we did it show

2035
02:08:21,960 --> 02:08:35,280
Speaker 1: together and D'Angelo not only split his pants, a mirror

2036
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:39,960
Speaker 1: ruins another moment. Thank you for the compliments. No, I

2037
02:08:40,160 --> 02:08:43,840
Speaker 1: wasn't okay, Maybe I was psychologically deflecting the compliment, but

2038
02:08:45,120 --> 02:08:45,760
Speaker 1: what is it like.

2039
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:48,640
Speaker 6: To have a mir and Rafaela that's interesting on this

2040
02:08:48,760 --> 02:08:49,520
Speaker 6: last album, Like.

2041
02:08:49,840 --> 02:08:51,640
Speaker 1: He explained everyone on this record.

2042
02:08:51,800 --> 02:08:55,840
Speaker 8: A lot of these songs I actually just wrote like

2043
02:08:56,080 --> 02:08:57,280
Speaker 8: sketches of to the.

2044
02:08:57,360 --> 02:09:02,320
Speaker 10: Piano, like Rise when I'm came, I had already sketched

2045
02:09:02,360 --> 02:09:07,240
Speaker 10: it out on my little struggle piano course, And it

2046
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:10,040
Speaker 10: is a very vulnerable thing to like share that with

2047
02:09:10,160 --> 02:09:18,360
Speaker 10: someone and hopes to build it into something tangible. And yeah,

2048
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:23,480
Speaker 10: Amyor and Ray and Greek came over one night and

2049
02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:26,520
Speaker 10: I just like you know, kept playing it and singing

2050
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:30,240
Speaker 10: it on the piano, and they started to build soundscapes.

2051
02:09:30,720 --> 02:09:34,920
Speaker 10: So a lot of these sessions happened like that. In

2052
02:09:35,080 --> 02:09:40,760
Speaker 10: the case of Raphael, who is just so so wonderful.

2053
02:09:42,200 --> 02:09:47,000
Speaker 10: I had actually thought that the album was pretty much done,

2054
02:09:47,560 --> 02:09:52,680
Speaker 10: and I went to New Iberia, a little town maybe

2055
02:09:53,880 --> 02:10:00,400
Speaker 10: two hours north of New Orleans two you know, finished

2056
02:10:00,440 --> 02:10:03,760
Speaker 10: writing the album and I actually produced a great deal

2057
02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:07,160
Speaker 10: of it there as well, and I had a lot

2058
02:10:07,200 --> 02:10:13,320
Speaker 10: of program sounds that I was working with, and towards

2059
02:10:13,400 --> 02:10:19,320
Speaker 10: the end, I felt like an order for the album

2060
02:10:19,480 --> 02:10:22,280
Speaker 10: to punch in that way that I wanted to replace

2061
02:10:22,440 --> 02:10:27,760
Speaker 10: a lot of my digital sounds and replaced the sens

2062
02:10:27,880 --> 02:10:32,200
Speaker 10: with piano and live bas and live drums. And I

2063
02:10:32,280 --> 02:10:37,320
Speaker 10: actually took it to quite a few different people, and

2064
02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:42,120
Speaker 10: I won't name them, although I want.

2065
02:10:41,960 --> 02:10:44,560
Speaker 1: To, but.

2066
02:10:46,040 --> 02:10:50,840
Speaker 10: Raphael was actually the person that I played it for

2067
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:56,880
Speaker 10: and immediately had the chemistry that a I was going

2068
02:10:56,960 --> 02:11:00,600
Speaker 10: to have someone who really respected my vision and really

2069
02:11:00,760 --> 02:11:05,080
Speaker 10: respected my voice. And I think as a songwriter and

2070
02:11:05,160 --> 02:11:08,840
Speaker 10: a producer, as a woman, I've been very very sensitive

2071
02:11:09,280 --> 02:11:14,920
Speaker 10: about my role in my art and how a lot

2072
02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:18,400
Speaker 10: of times when you invite that space open for men

2073
02:11:19,160 --> 02:11:21,920
Speaker 10: that it's just nature of the beast that they get

2074
02:11:21,960 --> 02:11:28,040
Speaker 10: a lot of credit for that. And I felt like Raphael,

2075
02:11:28,600 --> 02:11:30,960
Speaker 10: I knew that I was in good hands, and I

2076
02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:35,040
Speaker 10: knew that he would respect my vision and just be

2077
02:11:35,200 --> 02:11:40,080
Speaker 10: there to elevate it, and that he did. And he

2078
02:11:40,440 --> 02:11:45,200
Speaker 10: did such a phenomenal job of translating these sounds and

2079
02:11:45,320 --> 02:11:50,280
Speaker 10: making them that much richer and making them, you know,

2080
02:11:50,640 --> 02:11:53,960
Speaker 10: cut through his baselines, just cut through so.

2081
02:11:56,160 --> 02:12:02,920
Speaker 8: Emotionally, and they're like just like a direct connection of

2082
02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:03,760
Speaker 8: God's space.

2083
02:12:03,920 --> 02:12:07,840
Speaker 5: I feel like, you know, is that and on.

2084
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:10,520
Speaker 6: It is?

2085
02:12:12,760 --> 02:12:17,000
Speaker 8: So Yeah. Essentially, the album went in three parts.

2086
02:12:17,720 --> 02:12:25,320
Speaker 10: I had the preliminary writing, just concepts that I sketched

2087
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:29,720
Speaker 10: out to piano. Then I had jam sessions with a

2088
02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:36,320
Speaker 10: number of people of Samfa being one of them, Dave

2089
02:12:36,400 --> 02:12:38,000
Speaker 10: long Street being one of.

2090
02:12:38,040 --> 02:12:42,160
Speaker 1: Them, amazing from thirty Projectors, Yes.

2091
02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:46,080
Speaker 8: Whose drum sounds are incredible, and.

2092
02:12:47,880 --> 02:12:51,400
Speaker 10: So yeah, I kind of like assorted all of these

2093
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:55,880
Speaker 10: people from all different worlds into a space and for

2094
02:12:56,200 --> 02:13:02,680
Speaker 10: a few weeks we just jammed and and I essentially

2095
02:13:02,840 --> 02:13:07,880
Speaker 10: took those damn sessions, lots of them an hour long,

2096
02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:14,120
Speaker 10: and produced them into four minute songs. And then I

2097
02:13:14,280 --> 02:13:17,560
Speaker 10: went and wrote and filled in all of my lyrics

2098
02:13:17,720 --> 02:13:22,760
Speaker 10: and melodies to those, and then I took it to

2099
02:13:23,040 --> 02:13:28,839
Speaker 10: Raphael and we you know, elevated a lot of those sounds,

2100
02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:31,680
Speaker 10: so it went in three different parts. But it was

2101
02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:34,600
Speaker 10: just really just such an honor to have everyone who

2102
02:13:34,720 --> 02:13:40,120
Speaker 10: worked on the project, in the spirit of collaboration, just

2103
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:43,760
Speaker 10: have those experiences where we could just.

2104
02:13:44,640 --> 02:13:48,000
Speaker 6: Let it go in the music, to them all believe

2105
02:13:48,080 --> 02:13:50,280
Speaker 6: in your vision, yes it does.

2106
02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:51,440
Speaker 8: And to trust me with it.

2107
02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:59,920
Speaker 10: And again because it was such a male oriented set

2108
02:14:00,240 --> 02:14:06,160
Speaker 10: of musicians and producers, also having the utmost respect and

2109
02:14:07,600 --> 02:14:11,080
Speaker 10: you know, being clear that I was leading the process,

2110
02:14:11,760 --> 02:14:14,840
Speaker 10: and I think that that was something in the past,

2111
02:14:15,000 --> 02:14:18,400
Speaker 10: especially starting off as a little I feel like I'm

2112
02:14:18,520 --> 02:14:21,160
Speaker 10: like a little writer baby, like got I signed my

2113
02:14:21,240 --> 02:14:24,680
Speaker 10: publishing deal when I was fifteen, and I would be

2114
02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:28,400
Speaker 10: in sessions, you know, every day in LA I would

2115
02:14:28,440 --> 02:14:30,920
Speaker 10: go there for a week and a lot of people

2116
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:33,800
Speaker 10: don't know how those things work, but they're very tedious

2117
02:14:33,960 --> 02:14:37,200
Speaker 10: and a lot of times you just feel really vulnerable.

2118
02:14:37,400 --> 02:14:39,920
Speaker 10: You just meet a producer and then it's just like

2119
02:14:40,520 --> 02:14:44,360
Speaker 10: write a song. Or I would go to Miami like

2120
02:14:44,600 --> 02:14:47,920
Speaker 10: Circle House Studios and it be like a bad boy

2121
02:14:48,080 --> 02:14:51,680
Speaker 10: writing camp and you're just there with like twenty producers.

2122
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:56,600
Speaker 10: And as a young girl navigating that world with primarily

2123
02:14:56,800 --> 02:15:02,560
Speaker 10: male producers and leading that a lot of times I

2124
02:15:02,600 --> 02:15:05,760
Speaker 10: would have to fight for my voice to be heard

2125
02:15:06,920 --> 02:15:10,720
Speaker 10: outside of just like here's the song. And so this

2126
02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:16,560
Speaker 10: was a really special environment to create that because I

2127
02:15:16,680 --> 02:15:19,040
Speaker 10: do think it's important to note that though the album

2128
02:15:20,200 --> 02:15:27,560
Speaker 10: is overall the expression of the black plight and our

2129
02:15:27,680 --> 02:15:31,320
Speaker 10: social issues, it's written through the lens of a black woman,

2130
02:15:32,160 --> 02:15:36,400
Speaker 10: and naturally that's going to resonate with black women in

2131
02:15:36,480 --> 02:15:41,280
Speaker 10: a very specific way. So I think having that male

2132
02:15:41,600 --> 02:15:45,080
Speaker 10: energy just in terms of being in the space really

2133
02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:46,600
Speaker 10: translates on the production.

2134
02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:49,640
Speaker 8: I know a lot of nighgas who are like them.

2135
02:15:49,680 --> 02:15:50,480
Speaker 8: Beats is hard.

2136
02:15:52,280 --> 02:15:54,880
Speaker 4: Your record is like the modern day equivalent of like

2137
02:15:55,080 --> 02:16:00,840
Speaker 4: My Life by Mary It is my sh because it

2138
02:16:01,000 --> 02:16:03,000
Speaker 4: was just one of those records that I mean as

2139
02:16:03,040 --> 02:16:04,680
Speaker 4: a man, I mean I like the record.

2140
02:16:04,720 --> 02:16:06,240
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, yeah, this is dope. But like

2141
02:16:06,440 --> 02:16:09,360
Speaker 1: women like it's so crazy though, men.

2142
02:16:10,840 --> 02:16:12,240
Speaker 8: Really really.

2143
02:16:13,600 --> 02:16:14,800
Speaker 5: Like every day.

2144
02:16:16,760 --> 02:16:21,640
Speaker 10: Like blasting cranes like it's got bars. So that's been

2145
02:16:21,800 --> 02:16:22,960
Speaker 10: like really phenomenal.

2146
02:16:23,120 --> 02:16:25,480
Speaker 1: Definitely, can't deny that baseline, can.

2147
02:16:25,440 --> 02:16:29,400
Speaker 8: Deny that ray based man, So yeah, it was. It

2148
02:16:29,560 --> 02:16:30,080
Speaker 8: was awesome.

2149
02:16:30,320 --> 02:16:32,120
Speaker 6: We didn't even get a chance to talk about like

2150
02:16:32,360 --> 02:16:35,440
Speaker 6: the visuals that went like cranes and don't touch my

2151
02:16:35,520 --> 02:16:37,600
Speaker 6: hair and what you and Allen came together do and

2152
02:16:38,840 --> 02:16:41,960
Speaker 6: I read the whole cinematographer from Daughters of the Dust

2153
02:16:42,120 --> 02:16:42,400
Speaker 6: like that.

2154
02:16:43,879 --> 02:16:47,520
Speaker 5: July dashed but the cineatographer director of that.

2155
02:16:47,680 --> 02:16:50,520
Speaker 6: But you just got a lot of energy between the

2156
02:16:50,680 --> 02:16:52,839
Speaker 6: images and then the choreography.

2157
02:16:53,959 --> 02:16:55,280
Speaker 8: It's a lot thank you.

2158
02:16:55,720 --> 02:17:01,800
Speaker 10: I have to say that honestly creating these visuals with

2159
02:17:02,080 --> 02:17:06,000
Speaker 10: Alan was such a phenomenal experience, and I don't think

2160
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:10,800
Speaker 10: that anyone else could have translated the way that I

2161
02:17:10,959 --> 02:17:15,400
Speaker 10: see the world better than him. And he put his

2162
02:17:16,040 --> 02:17:19,600
Speaker 10: motherfucking foot and back and elbow and everything he does

2163
02:17:19,680 --> 02:17:22,640
Speaker 10: look so cool that yes, and there was a journey,

2164
02:17:22,879 --> 02:17:28,640
Speaker 10: you know, we we started off with the AJS and

2165
02:17:29,320 --> 02:17:31,920
Speaker 10: all of you know, the crew of twenty five when

2166
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:34,880
Speaker 10: we first embarked on the journey of this video, but

2167
02:17:34,959 --> 02:17:37,880
Speaker 10: we actually ended it just the two of us. So

2168
02:17:38,280 --> 02:17:41,960
Speaker 10: most of what you see in Crane specifically was actually

2169
02:17:42,320 --> 02:17:47,039
Speaker 10: shot by Alan holding the camera himself, hiking up mountains,

2170
02:17:47,080 --> 02:17:51,800
Speaker 10: across the rivers and doing that, you know, through love.

2171
02:17:51,959 --> 02:17:53,720
Speaker 6: So what was y'all like, Like, did you guys sit

2172
02:17:53,800 --> 02:17:56,440
Speaker 6: down and say, let's pick out some images of direction

2173
02:17:56,600 --> 02:17:57,120
Speaker 6: that we're going?

2174
02:17:57,240 --> 02:17:57,280
Speaker 10: Like?

2175
02:17:57,320 --> 02:18:02,720
Speaker 8: What was the So I knew that I wanted to again,

2176
02:18:03,200 --> 02:18:09,800
Speaker 8: you know, really have a meditation and a reflection of

2177
02:18:10,240 --> 02:18:12,440
Speaker 8: the way that I see blackness in.

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02:18:12,560 --> 02:18:18,480
Speaker 10: This super regal, ornate, stately way, but also encompass just

2179
02:18:19,360 --> 02:18:24,240
Speaker 10: the vulnerability and the texture and the nuances, especially of

2180
02:18:24,640 --> 02:18:29,920
Speaker 10: the black woman, and the solidarity between us and the sisterhood,

2181
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:34,440
Speaker 10: especially for Cranes, because I feel like so much of

2182
02:18:34,480 --> 02:18:37,520
Speaker 10: those things that I'm trying to work out through the song,

2183
02:18:37,760 --> 02:18:41,520
Speaker 10: like black women, I can identify so closely to that.

2184
02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:45,480
Speaker 10: So it was really about me, like emotionally mood boarding

2185
02:18:45,600 --> 02:18:48,480
Speaker 10: first and then I just started looking up all these

2186
02:18:48,560 --> 02:18:55,440
Speaker 10: locations that either felt like very regal or almost in

2187
02:18:55,560 --> 02:18:59,879
Speaker 10: this Grecian way, but wanting to see black people presented

2188
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:04,880
Speaker 10: it in that way. And then for Cranes, I essentially

2189
02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:08,120
Speaker 10: wanted to create this meditation of like moving through all

2190
02:19:08,200 --> 02:19:11,200
Speaker 10: of these spaces still trying to work this shit out.

2191
02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:16,840
Speaker 10: And that literally took us from New Orleans to Houston,

2192
02:19:17,760 --> 02:19:23,760
Speaker 10: to Lubbock, to Austin, to Big Ben National Park, to

2193
02:19:24,040 --> 02:19:26,919
Speaker 10: Santa Fe to White Sands, New Mexico.

2194
02:19:28,600 --> 02:19:30,439
Speaker 8: To get all of those landscapes.

2195
02:19:31,240 --> 02:19:35,760
Speaker 10: And yeah, like I basically moved boarded all of that.

2196
02:19:36,240 --> 02:19:38,920
Speaker 10: I shared it with Alan, I said this is my vision,

2197
02:19:39,480 --> 02:19:42,560
Speaker 10: how can we do this? And he just went to

2198
02:19:42,680 --> 02:19:46,320
Speaker 10: the trenches like and mapped out all of the ways

2199
02:19:46,400 --> 02:19:49,840
Speaker 10: that we could do that and assembled a team that

2200
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:51,640
Speaker 10: he felt could put forth that.

2201
02:19:51,879 --> 02:19:54,920
Speaker 8: But I have to say, like we started off with

2202
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:56,480
Speaker 8: a crew of.

2203
02:19:56,560 --> 02:20:01,640
Speaker 10: About twenty two people and we he went from and

2204
02:20:01,720 --> 02:20:04,400
Speaker 10: we were in two RV's and we went from all

2205
02:20:04,440 --> 02:20:07,080
Speaker 10: those cities that I said, And towards the end of it,

2206
02:20:07,160 --> 02:20:13,440
Speaker 10: everyone was so burnt out, tired, frustrated, hungry, sleepy, yes,

2207
02:20:14,840 --> 02:20:19,720
Speaker 10: that they all went home and Alan, being the director

2208
02:20:19,840 --> 02:20:23,560
Speaker 10: that he is said, there's still so much of this

2209
02:20:23,760 --> 02:20:27,120
Speaker 10: that we don't have. There's still so many pieces of

2210
02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:31,400
Speaker 10: this storytelling that we did not complete. And he went

2211
02:20:31,560 --> 02:20:35,800
Speaker 10: to Enterprise and rented a van and we did the

2212
02:20:35,879 --> 02:20:40,320
Speaker 10: trip all over again, from New Orleans to New Mexico

2213
02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:43,800
Speaker 10: in a van with just him and I and four

2214
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:51,720
Speaker 10: other people, and he actually depeed the shoot he directed

2215
02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:58,840
Speaker 10: defeat catered and I think that the beautiful car. I

2216
02:20:58,959 --> 02:21:02,720
Speaker 10: definitely did that. It's the whole twenty three hour drive.

2217
02:21:04,560 --> 02:21:08,800
Speaker 10: But I have to say that I had so many reservations.

2218
02:21:08,879 --> 02:21:12,040
Speaker 10: We've been together eight years. Amir has been there like

2219
02:21:12,280 --> 02:21:16,400
Speaker 10: from the time I met him until now, and I've

2220
02:21:16,480 --> 02:21:19,360
Speaker 10: always been a fan of his work. Likewise, he's always

2221
02:21:19,360 --> 02:21:22,920
Speaker 10: been a fan of mine, but we've never bridged that

2222
02:21:23,120 --> 02:21:26,360
Speaker 10: gap creatively because I was so scared that it would

2223
02:21:26,400 --> 02:21:27,120
Speaker 10: fuck shuit up.

2224
02:21:28,040 --> 02:21:34,600
Speaker 8: And it made it. It made the art itself. I

2225
02:21:34,760 --> 02:21:38,240
Speaker 8: feel like you see and experience.

2226
02:21:37,800 --> 02:21:41,840
Speaker 10: So much love and magic when you're watching those and

2227
02:21:42,320 --> 02:21:45,040
Speaker 10: I think that was really through the lens of what

2228
02:21:45,200 --> 02:21:49,840
Speaker 10: we put into it together. And again, like you're with someone,

2229
02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:52,160
Speaker 10: you see the way that they see the world, and

2230
02:21:54,200 --> 02:21:56,320
Speaker 10: that scene and don't touch my hair at the very

2231
02:21:56,520 --> 02:21:59,519
Speaker 10: end when we're all on the steps and I'm dancing.

2232
02:22:01,480 --> 02:22:08,359
Speaker 8: Like that scene. Specifically, I remember trying to coordinate this ripple.

2233
02:22:08,120 --> 02:22:10,360
Speaker 10: Because I did all of the choreography and all of

2234
02:22:10,400 --> 02:22:13,480
Speaker 10: the videos with like one hundred people who weren't dancers,

2235
02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:14,440
Speaker 10: like and now.

2236
02:22:14,320 --> 02:22:15,840
Speaker 8: We're gonna do this, and then you do this.

2237
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:17,039
Speaker 5: I was wondering who all those.

2238
02:22:16,879 --> 02:22:24,240
Speaker 10: People are so long just friends, right, No, those those

2239
02:22:24,360 --> 02:22:28,840
Speaker 10: were just New Orleans magical people. But we spend so

2240
02:22:29,000 --> 02:22:31,880
Speaker 10: much time trying to like coordinate all of this dance

2241
02:22:31,920 --> 02:22:36,320
Speaker 10: stuff that we were losing light and everybody on set

2242
02:22:36,520 --> 02:22:38,800
Speaker 10: was saying it's too dark, we can't shoot it, We're

2243
02:22:38,800 --> 02:22:42,039
Speaker 10: gonna have to reshoot it, and Alan saying the right

2244
02:22:42,560 --> 02:22:48,199
Speaker 10: the light just got right, Like the darkness, the birthlaze

2245
02:22:48,360 --> 02:22:49,040
Speaker 10: is what we need.

2246
02:22:49,280 --> 02:22:52,800
Speaker 8: This doesn't need sunlight. It's not bright, it's not cheery.

2247
02:22:53,000 --> 02:22:54,080
Speaker 1: This is the mood.

2248
02:22:54,680 --> 02:22:57,720
Speaker 8: So it was just things like that that I really.

2249
02:22:57,600 --> 02:23:04,000
Speaker 10: Really appreciated, you know, having to explain myself choreography, thank you.

2250
02:23:04,360 --> 02:23:04,760
Speaker 5: I don't know.

2251
02:23:04,879 --> 02:23:08,119
Speaker 6: It's like, I don't even know what you call between

2252
02:23:08,200 --> 02:23:12,000
Speaker 6: modern dance and I don't even know, especially what you

2253
02:23:12,080 --> 02:23:12,960
Speaker 6: did on Saturdy ny Line.

2254
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:15,320
Speaker 5: What do you what was what influences that. I don't

2255
02:23:15,320 --> 02:23:16,760
Speaker 5: mean to get all gross on.

2256
02:23:18,920 --> 02:23:21,720
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but the choreography is kind of amazing, and

2257
02:23:21,800 --> 02:23:24,160
Speaker 6: it's not it's she ball because that's not where you

2258
02:23:24,280 --> 02:23:24,920
Speaker 6: first started.

2259
02:23:25,040 --> 02:23:28,680
Speaker 10: So yeah, I think I've had such an interesting relationship

2260
02:23:28,760 --> 02:23:31,800
Speaker 10: with dance, being that I actually thought that I was

2261
02:23:31,920 --> 02:23:36,040
Speaker 10: gonna be a modern dancer growing up. That's what I

2262
02:23:36,200 --> 02:23:39,280
Speaker 10: wanted to be. I wanted to go to Juilliard. And

2263
02:23:39,440 --> 02:23:42,640
Speaker 10: then when I started to dance for Destiny Shot, I

2264
02:23:44,480 --> 02:23:47,120
Speaker 10: was doing hip hop, but I was looking absolutely crazy

2265
02:23:47,240 --> 02:23:50,200
Speaker 10: at that, like that was just not the way that

2266
02:23:50,360 --> 02:23:54,119
Speaker 10: my body language really spoke that I was trying.

2267
02:23:54,959 --> 02:23:58,320
Speaker 8: And I think maybe, like really like.

2268
02:24:00,160 --> 02:24:03,320
Speaker 10: Six years ago, as my son got older, as I

2269
02:24:03,440 --> 02:24:06,120
Speaker 10: got more confident in who I was and who I

2270
02:24:06,280 --> 02:24:08,320
Speaker 10: was becoming, I was just like, fuck it, this is

2271
02:24:08,480 --> 02:24:11,480
Speaker 10: actually how I move, this is when I'm at home,

2272
02:24:11,720 --> 02:24:16,920
Speaker 10: this is actually how I communicate. And I remember even

2273
02:24:17,040 --> 02:24:22,280
Speaker 10: through true like when I started really expressing myself in

2274
02:24:22,360 --> 02:24:23,760
Speaker 10: that way, people being like what.

2275
02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:28,680
Speaker 8: The fuck is this ship? Now I feel like people

2276
02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:31,200
Speaker 8: are like, Okay, that's just what it is.

2277
02:24:31,480 --> 02:24:34,240
Speaker 1: But I don't think people would question that though.

2278
02:24:34,160 --> 02:24:36,120
Speaker 8: Because oh yeah, people are like.

2279
02:24:36,440 --> 02:24:42,240
Speaker 1: Really like what she doing? People still question not I

2280
02:24:42,320 --> 02:24:45,640
Speaker 1: mean no, I think now my cousins and friends are

2281
02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:46,440
Speaker 1: like no.

2282
02:24:46,680 --> 02:24:50,640
Speaker 10: I meant like, you know, just people reacting to the

2283
02:24:50,959 --> 02:24:56,160
Speaker 10: visuals online and stuff. But I think that consistency is

2284
02:24:56,240 --> 02:24:58,840
Speaker 10: so key and like now that it's just like no,

2285
02:24:59,000 --> 02:25:01,800
Speaker 10: this is just the way I'm moving and sharing it.

2286
02:25:02,720 --> 02:25:05,720
Speaker 10: It's it's really cool doing it with the band because

2287
02:25:05,879 --> 02:25:09,119
Speaker 10: like you know, two of the dudes are like thea's from.

2288
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:09,760
Speaker 8: New Orleans.

2289
02:25:11,560 --> 02:25:12,280
Speaker 1: Over here, but.

2290
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:19,080
Speaker 10: Everybody has just been so and trusting. So I actually

2291
02:25:19,959 --> 02:25:26,920
Speaker 10: enlisted PJ. Harvey Oh Wow to help me find musicians

2292
02:25:26,959 --> 02:25:31,520
Speaker 10: in New Orleans, and he he auditioned a bunch of

2293
02:25:31,640 --> 02:25:37,360
Speaker 10: kids from Loyola and Diler and just New Orleans based musicians,

2294
02:25:38,120 --> 02:25:41,640
Speaker 10: and I came in at the end and we did

2295
02:25:41,800 --> 02:25:43,320
Speaker 10: like chemistry tests.

2296
02:25:43,720 --> 02:25:46,600
Speaker 8: And then it was like, well can you dance? And

2297
02:25:46,760 --> 02:25:53,440
Speaker 8: everybody was like, well, like what, So I showed them

2298
02:25:53,520 --> 02:26:03,400
Speaker 8: some moves and that actually eliminated like for people. But

2299
02:26:04,840 --> 02:26:08,160
Speaker 8: it's such a strong part of of how I like

2300
02:26:09,040 --> 02:26:10,520
Speaker 8: envision the show that.

2301
02:26:11,560 --> 02:26:13,680
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I've not seen the show where you're

2302
02:26:13,720 --> 02:26:16,240
Speaker 1: being you're being kind to put just a shame because

2303
02:26:16,320 --> 02:26:20,360
Speaker 1: you know, the time be doing like I definitely when

2304
02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:24,520
Speaker 1: when she when she Uh did the Roots picnic like

2305
02:26:24,760 --> 02:26:27,600
Speaker 1: two or three years ago, he was jamming on stage

2306
02:26:27,640 --> 02:26:30,400
Speaker 1: and was like, damn, we don't got no choreography.

2307
02:26:31,520 --> 02:26:33,240
Speaker 10: Oh my god, I want to do it more for

2308
02:26:33,360 --> 02:26:43,320
Speaker 10: other people. So if you want so, yeah, graciously gracious

2309
02:26:43,920 --> 02:26:45,600
Speaker 10: because it brings me so much.

2310
02:26:45,720 --> 02:26:46,560
Speaker 1: Jo please do that.

2311
02:26:48,760 --> 02:26:51,080
Speaker 5: And mark all day because you're like the young ones

2312
02:26:51,120 --> 02:26:51,680
Speaker 5: up making work.

2313
02:26:51,800 --> 02:26:55,680
Speaker 1: How are you going to deal with this presentation live?

2314
02:26:56,840 --> 02:27:01,040
Speaker 1: Because I'm still see this album from beginning to end.

2315
02:27:01,240 --> 02:27:03,640
Speaker 1: I see it as a sweet and I don't see

2316
02:27:03,640 --> 02:27:04,640
Speaker 1: it in concert. I see it.

2317
02:27:06,000 --> 02:27:07,960
Speaker 8: I love that you thought you were like texting me

2318
02:27:08,040 --> 02:27:10,160
Speaker 8: that as if I was not already working.

2319
02:27:09,920 --> 02:27:14,320
Speaker 1: Thinking about that. That It wasn't that. It's just that

2320
02:27:15,240 --> 02:27:20,160
Speaker 1: the album had moved certain people so much that they

2321
02:27:20,240 --> 02:27:22,480
Speaker 1: wanted to be a part of history. Even when I

2322
02:27:22,560 --> 02:27:25,640
Speaker 1: called you to congratulate you on the record, I forgot

2323
02:27:25,680 --> 02:27:28,960
Speaker 1: I was on the record you did.

2324
02:27:29,040 --> 02:27:30,320
Speaker 5: I don't wait for you to tell us, But I

2325
02:27:30,400 --> 02:27:31,959
Speaker 5: was like, forget it no, And she.

2326
02:27:32,040 --> 02:27:34,720
Speaker 1: Got mad at me because like I didn't. It was

2327
02:27:34,760 --> 02:27:38,960
Speaker 1: a going on, Like Yo, why did you instagram about it?

2328
02:27:39,800 --> 02:27:42,400
Speaker 1: I forgot I was on it first saw.

2329
02:27:43,840 --> 02:27:45,720
Speaker 8: And those are popping.

2330
02:27:46,000 --> 02:27:48,960
Speaker 1: No, But you know, I was just I was so

2331
02:27:49,920 --> 02:27:54,600
Speaker 1: amazed by the record. I totally forgot that. I thought

2332
02:27:54,640 --> 02:27:57,560
Speaker 1: she took me off the record, you know, and.

2333
02:27:58,600 --> 02:27:58,800
Speaker 6: It was.

2334
02:28:00,879 --> 02:28:01,279
Speaker 8: Everyone.

2335
02:28:01,320 --> 02:28:03,760
Speaker 1: Well, no, it was makes so different that I couldn't

2336
02:28:03,800 --> 02:28:05,680
Speaker 1: tell that that was you. I got you. Yeah, And

2337
02:28:05,760 --> 02:28:07,960
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I just thought, Oh, okay, well you

2338
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:08,480
Speaker 1: should I.

2339
02:28:09,160 --> 02:28:13,440
Speaker 10: With those drums. I had fun like mixing and queuing

2340
02:28:13,680 --> 02:28:16,840
Speaker 10: and panning and all of that. But I remember that

2341
02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:20,560
Speaker 10: day so so well because that was the first time

2342
02:28:21,040 --> 02:28:24,240
Speaker 10: that I had shared my sketches with anyone, and I

2343
02:28:24,400 --> 02:28:28,320
Speaker 10: remember being really really scared of adding drums on it.

2344
02:28:28,440 --> 02:28:30,720
Speaker 10: And you were like, come on, son, like I'm gonna

2345
02:28:30,760 --> 02:28:34,360
Speaker 10: keep this farce and go in and I was like,

2346
02:28:34,480 --> 02:28:35,320
Speaker 10: of course you are.

2347
02:28:35,480 --> 02:28:37,840
Speaker 8: But it was still a lot of trust.

2348
02:28:38,040 --> 02:28:41,440
Speaker 1: I was too, because I sometimes call you the Queen

2349
02:28:41,520 --> 02:28:41,760
Speaker 1: of No.

2350
02:28:42,480 --> 02:28:51,199
Speaker 8: So it's true. I've been known to say no came

2351
02:28:51,240 --> 02:28:53,199
Speaker 8: out phenomenon. I'm so gracious.

2352
02:28:53,560 --> 02:28:55,440
Speaker 1: So I don't know, like I don't I don't want

2353
02:28:55,480 --> 02:29:00,760
Speaker 1: to name any names of people. But the way that

2354
02:29:00,840 --> 02:29:05,080
Speaker 1: I see this presentation like it's almost as if I

2355
02:29:05,320 --> 02:29:08,880
Speaker 1: wish you were and I feel like you will be

2356
02:29:09,520 --> 02:29:11,680
Speaker 1: or you could already be in a position where you

2357
02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:16,680
Speaker 1: could present this on a unnamed artist with the letter

2358
02:29:16,760 --> 02:29:20,560
Speaker 1: K and his name, like what he would do to

2359
02:29:20,720 --> 02:29:29,960
Speaker 1: his show floating stages the letter Oh, Kanye, I know

2360
02:29:30,160 --> 02:29:32,400
Speaker 1: this show is not going to be a normal presentation.

2361
02:29:33,000 --> 02:29:34,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I'm excited.

2362
02:29:35,000 --> 02:29:39,400
Speaker 10: I've been developing some ideas for the last couple of

2363
02:29:39,440 --> 02:29:43,600
Speaker 10: weeks and even through the SNL performance, like visualizing how

2364
02:29:43,920 --> 02:29:46,680
Speaker 10: that would carry out, and I'm really excited.

2365
02:29:47,879 --> 02:29:53,039
Speaker 8: I think that it's important for me to.

2366
02:29:55,080 --> 02:29:57,880
Speaker 10: One of the reasons, like I went to Stanford and

2367
02:29:59,120 --> 02:30:01,600
Speaker 10: had to talk because I wanted to ground the work

2368
02:30:01,680 --> 02:30:03,560
Speaker 10: in conversation and.

2369
02:30:04,000 --> 02:30:10,640
Speaker 8: Has Perry, Oh, she's so happened, No, she's not.

2370
02:30:11,200 --> 02:30:17,640
Speaker 10: No, but I want to be able to have that

2371
02:30:17,840 --> 02:30:23,040
Speaker 10: conversation really closely, and so even things like performing the

2372
02:30:23,200 --> 02:30:27,120
Speaker 10: album on a ground level where I'm able to be

2373
02:30:27,600 --> 02:30:31,440
Speaker 10: on the same physical level as people and look.

2374
02:30:31,480 --> 02:30:34,280
Speaker 5: Instead of the eyes yeah, looking down.

2375
02:30:34,760 --> 02:30:38,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm really excited about working out how I can

2376
02:30:38,320 --> 02:30:38,560
Speaker 8: do that.

2377
02:30:38,760 --> 02:30:41,200
Speaker 10: But it's it's a lot of logistics. I've been working

2378
02:30:41,280 --> 02:30:45,080
Speaker 10: on it. But of course, when you know you're trying

2379
02:30:45,160 --> 02:30:49,720
Speaker 10: to present something in that way and work with other

2380
02:30:50,120 --> 02:30:53,320
Speaker 10: venues and vendors, and promoters and all of that. That

2381
02:30:53,480 --> 02:30:57,120
Speaker 10: stuff gets very complicated, but I'm working through it and

2382
02:30:57,240 --> 02:30:58,760
Speaker 10: I'm really really excited.

2383
02:30:59,200 --> 02:31:01,480
Speaker 8: I just I just think that I have to.

2384
02:31:04,200 --> 02:31:08,320
Speaker 10: The songs are so emotionally charged, and again, they feel

2385
02:31:08,480 --> 02:31:11,160
Speaker 10: so insular, and that even a lot of people have

2386
02:31:11,280 --> 02:31:14,360
Speaker 10: shared with me that they primarily listen to the album

2387
02:31:14,480 --> 02:31:19,200
Speaker 10: alone and that they feel kind of weird playing it

2388
02:31:19,680 --> 02:31:20,920
Speaker 10: in group settings.

2389
02:31:22,280 --> 02:31:23,800
Speaker 8: I feel the same.

2390
02:31:23,720 --> 02:31:27,720
Speaker 10: Way performing it and SNL was a big wake up

2391
02:31:27,800 --> 02:31:30,880
Speaker 10: call for me because I was emotionally charged in a

2392
02:31:31,000 --> 02:31:35,720
Speaker 10: way that I had never been performing before. Like my

2393
02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:39,080
Speaker 10: voice was shaking because of the words that I was

2394
02:31:39,160 --> 02:31:43,240
Speaker 10: saying and all of the things that were encompassing that

2395
02:31:43,560 --> 02:31:47,120
Speaker 10: in that moment, and who it was reaching and how

2396
02:31:47,360 --> 02:31:54,000
Speaker 10: it was reaching people who voted for Trump, and you know,

2397
02:31:55,120 --> 02:31:58,560
Speaker 10: just saying don't touch my hair, don't touch my pride,

2398
02:31:59,080 --> 02:32:02,480
Speaker 10: Like I have the hone in how emotionally I'm going

2399
02:32:02,560 --> 02:32:07,280
Speaker 10: to perform that without shaking because it's so fresh and

2400
02:32:07,440 --> 02:32:12,960
Speaker 10: it's so raw that I also have, like you know,

2401
02:32:13,040 --> 02:32:17,040
Speaker 10: the challenge of most of this stuff is intentionally falsetto

2402
02:32:17,240 --> 02:32:20,800
Speaker 10: and sweet, and like Minie Riperton and Serita Wright were

2403
02:32:20,920 --> 02:32:25,440
Speaker 10: huge influences in terms of vocal presentation for this, but

2404
02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:30,600
Speaker 10: that takes a great amount of air and control and stillness.

2405
02:32:30,920 --> 02:32:36,800
Speaker 10: But I'm saying things that are strong and aggressive.

2406
02:32:37,760 --> 02:32:40,320
Speaker 1: That's that's an awesome kind of contrast.

2407
02:32:40,600 --> 02:32:44,520
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean it's intentional. It's intentional, but it's not

2408
02:32:44,840 --> 02:32:48,400
Speaker 10: easy to pull off live. And I feel like I

2409
02:32:48,560 --> 02:32:53,320
Speaker 10: have to have a great deal of meditation and control

2410
02:32:53,560 --> 02:32:56,320
Speaker 10: to be able to do that because a lot of

2411
02:32:56,360 --> 02:33:01,160
Speaker 10: people don't understand like the nuances of having to say

2412
02:33:01,240 --> 02:33:03,600
Speaker 10: these is one thing to put them on the record

2413
02:33:04,160 --> 02:33:07,560
Speaker 10: and say here you go, I'm gonna allow you to

2414
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:11,280
Speaker 10: have a seat at this table and share this with you.

2415
02:33:11,480 --> 02:33:16,240
Speaker 10: It's another to deliver that face forward in full on

2416
02:33:16,680 --> 02:33:19,160
Speaker 10: and feel that kind of exposure.

2417
02:33:19,320 --> 02:33:19,560
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2418
02:33:20,120 --> 02:33:22,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just having brainstorming moments right now.

2419
02:33:22,840 --> 02:33:26,080
Speaker 1: And I feel like like b Yorick is someone that

2420
02:33:26,160 --> 02:33:29,680
Speaker 1: I've seen in concert a lot of times, and all

2421
02:33:29,760 --> 02:33:31,280
Speaker 1: of our presentations are just like.

2422
02:33:31,360 --> 02:33:34,600
Speaker 8: Some next level Yeah, they are the influence.

2423
02:33:34,800 --> 02:33:37,880
Speaker 1: She did one particular show in which she chose like

2424
02:33:37,920 --> 02:33:42,400
Speaker 1: a church in Harlem, oh Wow, and gathered the audience

2425
02:33:42,959 --> 02:33:47,080
Speaker 1: stood in a circle and she just sang everything a cappella.

2426
02:33:47,240 --> 02:33:49,879
Speaker 1: She just walked in the middle and just saying everything

2427
02:33:49,920 --> 02:33:52,480
Speaker 1: a cappella, no music, no nothing, just a very intimate

2428
02:33:53,520 --> 02:33:57,600
Speaker 1: her walking, no amplification, no microphone. But everyone attend that

2429
02:33:57,680 --> 02:34:01,880
Speaker 1: show still maintains that was like the most powerful music

2430
02:34:02,040 --> 02:34:03,160
Speaker 1: experience of their life.

2431
02:34:03,360 --> 02:34:05,760
Speaker 10: Like where you're going, I think that you have to

2432
02:34:06,360 --> 02:34:11,720
Speaker 10: really identify. I guess I've had to really identify, you know,

2433
02:34:12,720 --> 02:34:15,400
Speaker 10: what it is that I feel like I'm going to

2434
02:34:15,600 --> 02:34:21,360
Speaker 10: really really connect to and feel gravity and in that moment,

2435
02:34:21,720 --> 02:34:26,080
Speaker 10: like I realize now that I've gotten like award show

2436
02:34:26,160 --> 02:34:29,640
Speaker 10: offers and all of those things, and I realize now

2437
02:34:29,720 --> 02:34:32,480
Speaker 10: that that's not my space. I'm not going to never

2438
02:34:32,560 --> 02:34:35,480
Speaker 10: say never, I be open to it, but that's not

2439
02:34:35,640 --> 02:34:39,880
Speaker 10: the space right now that I'm reaching to connect with,

2440
02:34:40,240 --> 02:34:51,440
Speaker 10: like come February, Like yo, I don't think that that's

2441
02:34:51,560 --> 02:34:54,560
Speaker 10: why I feel like I thrive, And that could change

2442
02:34:54,800 --> 02:34:55,920
Speaker 10: and I could work at it.

2443
02:34:56,120 --> 02:34:59,560
Speaker 1: But I you could write your own ticket.

2444
02:35:00,879 --> 02:35:08,520
Speaker 10: I know, and that's that could evolve and that could

2445
02:35:08,600 --> 02:35:11,480
Speaker 10: change and I can feel differently and that's the cool

2446
02:35:11,560 --> 02:35:16,720
Speaker 10: thing about having, you know, I guess not putting the

2447
02:35:16,879 --> 02:35:21,600
Speaker 10: kind of pressure on myself to say, like if I

2448
02:35:21,800 --> 02:35:24,800
Speaker 10: do it and then basically.

2449
02:35:24,520 --> 02:35:27,840
Speaker 8: I don't know. Like the ESNL experience.

2450
02:35:27,520 --> 02:35:30,680
Speaker 10: Was very I feel really happy that I did it,

2451
02:35:31,440 --> 02:35:33,680
Speaker 10: But at the same time, I think that it reveals

2452
02:35:33,800 --> 02:35:36,560
Speaker 10: a lot to me about in what space I want

2453
02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:40,080
Speaker 10: to present this album in live. And it's like even

2454
02:35:40,200 --> 02:35:44,560
Speaker 10: the concept of FUBU is like, do I want to

2455
02:35:44,720 --> 02:35:48,880
Speaker 10: perform that song at Bonner? You know what I mean? Like,

2456
02:35:49,800 --> 02:35:52,760
Speaker 10: it's a lot that I'm like just working out as

2457
02:35:52,840 --> 02:35:55,320
Speaker 10: I go along, and that's fine, and it's okay. And

2458
02:35:55,400 --> 02:35:58,880
Speaker 10: I think as artists we should be able to be

2459
02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:02,400
Speaker 10: allowed to do that and change our minds and work

2460
02:36:02,480 --> 02:36:05,360
Speaker 10: it out and figure out what works best for us

2461
02:36:05,600 --> 02:36:08,720
Speaker 10: and our storytelling and that.

2462
02:36:17,400 --> 02:36:21,800
Speaker 1: All right, Well, this has been the most real question

2463
02:36:21,840 --> 02:36:27,160
Speaker 1: Love Supreme. Yeah ever Yeah, yeah, definitely our blackest episode

2464
02:36:27,200 --> 02:36:29,960
Speaker 1: by far. Matter of fact, we'll have some lounge in

2465
02:36:30,000 --> 02:36:35,960
Speaker 1: the reflections. All I've learned. I've learned that, uh, that

2466
02:36:36,280 --> 02:36:43,200
Speaker 1: master p Percy Miller such a soulful name, Percy, that

2467
02:36:43,320 --> 02:36:48,880
Speaker 1: Percy Miller, uh was a human being. And and I

2468
02:36:49,040 --> 02:36:51,600
Speaker 1: learned a lot about Matthew Knowles that I didn't know.

2469
02:36:53,640 --> 02:37:00,400
Speaker 1: I learned that Tina Noles controls the music. Matter of fact, Uh,

2470
02:37:00,560 --> 02:37:06,000
Speaker 1: boss Bill, this this is my Serrito DJ list. Read

2471
02:37:06,080 --> 02:37:12,520
Speaker 1: the highlighted blue playlist on the left. This is this

2472
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:16,640
Speaker 1: is my only challenging This is a very serious I

2473
02:37:16,760 --> 02:37:20,640
Speaker 1: named my playlist after you know. It could be Saturday nights,

2474
02:37:20,720 --> 02:37:23,480
Speaker 1: it could be that at our wedding. But that's called

2475
02:37:23,560 --> 02:37:30,000
Speaker 1: what Tina Knowle's Gonna Love Me? Dak dat? What is

2476
02:37:30,040 --> 02:37:32,000
Speaker 1: in that play? What's in that Tina and Lowell's Gonna

2477
02:37:32,000 --> 02:37:35,960
Speaker 1: Love Me playlist? I've never had a client or an

2478
02:37:35,959 --> 02:37:39,840
Speaker 1: attendee at a quest love DJ gig that put more

2479
02:37:40,800 --> 02:37:47,680
Speaker 1: pressure on me than Tina Knowles. Seriously. I played for

2480
02:37:48,520 --> 02:37:55,400
Speaker 1: presidents and kings and whoever. But yeah, Tina Knowles is

2481
02:37:55,879 --> 02:37:59,720
Speaker 1: one of the hardest clients ever. So what does she does?

2482
02:37:59,760 --> 02:38:03,000
Speaker 1: She like, what's her what's her jams? Okay?

2483
02:38:03,200 --> 02:38:04,880
Speaker 5: And I'm assumed for her daughter as well.

2484
02:38:05,120 --> 02:38:07,320
Speaker 8: I will say so, it's really funny.

2485
02:38:07,480 --> 02:38:10,560
Speaker 10: It's like he played my my house party, and I

2486
02:38:10,680 --> 02:38:15,880
Speaker 10: think that she felt like he was playing stuff to safe.

2487
02:38:16,040 --> 02:38:17,520
Speaker 1: She thought I was playing too safe.

2488
02:38:17,400 --> 02:38:20,120
Speaker 8: Cater to her and she was like, no, I want

2489
02:38:20,640 --> 02:38:21,680
Speaker 8: the people to get turned.

2490
02:38:21,760 --> 02:38:25,960
Speaker 1: The quote was do you know who my son is

2491
02:38:26,800 --> 02:38:27,320
Speaker 1: at the time?

2492
02:38:30,160 --> 02:38:32,039
Speaker 5: Okay, because she wasn't playing her son.

2493
02:38:32,040 --> 02:38:34,000
Speaker 1: No, no, I was pretty okay in the beginning.

2494
02:38:34,240 --> 02:38:37,760
Speaker 8: He was just kind of player clean and real safe.

2495
02:38:38,520 --> 02:38:43,280
Speaker 1: Tell me, did you not tell me to just be

2496
02:38:43,440 --> 02:38:45,760
Speaker 1: careful because all types of people are going to be

2497
02:38:45,800 --> 02:38:46,359
Speaker 1: in attendance.

2498
02:38:46,480 --> 02:38:47,840
Speaker 5: I did, But I don't know.

2499
02:38:48,160 --> 02:38:55,640
Speaker 10: I guess like, like, yeah, she was like when he

2500
02:38:55,800 --> 02:38:59,920
Speaker 10: says that, she was like, do you know my son's language?

2501
02:39:00,120 --> 02:39:03,039
Speaker 10: You know that he says in his music, Like I'm

2502
02:39:03,120 --> 02:39:07,039
Speaker 10: not just like yeah, like play the ship. That's gonna

2503
02:39:07,120 --> 02:39:07,680
Speaker 10: keep the party.

2504
02:39:08,160 --> 02:39:11,440
Speaker 1: What she doesn't know is that in any party I

2505
02:39:11,560 --> 02:39:19,240
Speaker 1: will play Benny Goodman. Of course, I was doing the

2506
02:39:19,320 --> 02:39:23,000
Speaker 1: Quest Love thing, the all inclusive and it was like

2507
02:39:23,720 --> 02:39:24,920
Speaker 1: just cut to the chase and get to the.

2508
02:39:28,280 --> 02:39:31,480
Speaker 10: Just like playing with you gonna play like my mom

2509
02:39:31,680 --> 02:39:33,960
Speaker 10: was in the kitchen like handing out pizzas.

2510
02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:39,800
Speaker 1: Yeah she was. Yeah, she takes pictures at Costco Bro.

2511
02:39:39,840 --> 02:39:40,840
Speaker 1: I think she can handle.

2512
02:39:42,480 --> 02:39:42,680
Speaker 6: I was.

2513
02:39:46,600 --> 02:39:49,160
Speaker 7: I gotta say miss Tina that she's a very funny woman.

2514
02:39:49,840 --> 02:39:52,640
Speaker 7: The first time I met her was there's an MTV

2515
02:39:52,720 --> 02:39:56,080
Speaker 7: taping or something. She was backstage cutting up with Ed Lover.

2516
02:39:56,640 --> 02:39:57,879
Speaker 1: Just they're just cutting up.

2517
02:39:58,480 --> 02:40:02,000
Speaker 5: I believe she's just going Then I.

2518
02:40:02,040 --> 02:40:06,840
Speaker 7: Did a brief stint at Music World your father's company. Yeah, yeah,

2519
02:40:07,080 --> 02:40:13,240
Speaker 7: for like three months. The holiday party, we had it

2520
02:40:13,280 --> 02:40:15,720
Speaker 7: at some Chinese spot in the Chinese restaurant on the

2521
02:40:15,840 --> 02:40:17,760
Speaker 7: Lower East Side, and your mother did karaoke.

2522
02:40:20,840 --> 02:40:23,400
Speaker 1: I can't remember what she's saying. Are you seriously she

2523
02:40:23,520 --> 02:40:25,840
Speaker 1: did karaoke. I think I think I might have pictures

2524
02:40:25,879 --> 02:40:27,120
Speaker 1: of that. Oh might.

2525
02:40:28,760 --> 02:40:31,520
Speaker 8: I'm dying to know you.

2526
02:40:32,120 --> 02:40:33,760
Speaker 7: I want to say you were there early that night.

2527
02:40:33,840 --> 02:40:35,640
Speaker 7: You and your sister were there earlier in the night,

2528
02:40:35,720 --> 02:40:37,280
Speaker 7: and then you both left, and then they brought out

2529
02:40:37,280 --> 02:40:38,439
Speaker 7: the karaoke machine.

2530
02:40:38,200 --> 02:40:44,240
Speaker 8: And oh wow, Now my mom is fun time. She

2531
02:40:44,480 --> 02:40:49,879
Speaker 8: was there last night at the AFT party and my sister.

2532
02:40:51,200 --> 02:40:53,920
Speaker 10: Left and my mom was like riding with her back

2533
02:40:54,000 --> 02:40:55,600
Speaker 10: until she wanted to stay and get turned.

2534
02:40:58,600 --> 02:41:08,720
Speaker 1: So that's what I learned, Tina, turn up. No man,

2535
02:41:09,040 --> 02:41:13,400
Speaker 1: what have I learned? God? So much? To start?

2536
02:41:14,480 --> 02:41:19,840
Speaker 4: I learned that Solange is probably and I know you

2537
02:41:19,879 --> 02:41:21,680
Speaker 4: know you say you've heard it a lot, but I

2538
02:41:21,760 --> 02:41:25,640
Speaker 4: mean like, she's probably one of the most relatable. I

2539
02:41:25,680 --> 02:41:29,040
Speaker 4: won't say regular, because regular that signifies something that's like,

2540
02:41:29,920 --> 02:41:33,520
Speaker 4: you know, like ordinary, so and you're and you're not ordinary,

2541
02:41:34,520 --> 02:41:35,680
Speaker 4: but you're definitely one of.

2542
02:41:35,680 --> 02:41:41,200
Speaker 1: The most relatable people. That I think that I've had

2543
02:41:41,280 --> 02:41:42,320
Speaker 1: that we've had on the show.

2544
02:41:43,000 --> 02:41:46,880
Speaker 4: For me, just hearing about your background and as the

2545
02:41:47,160 --> 02:41:49,320
Speaker 4: as the mother of a son, you know what I'm saying,

2546
02:41:49,520 --> 02:41:53,160
Speaker 4: I have sons as well, and so there's a lot

2547
02:41:53,400 --> 02:41:57,560
Speaker 4: of there's a lot of common threads in your story

2548
02:41:57,640 --> 02:41:59,400
Speaker 4: and then a lot of stuff that I go through

2549
02:41:59,440 --> 02:42:03,400
Speaker 4: as well. And uh, just to hear that from someone

2550
02:42:03,640 --> 02:42:07,480
Speaker 4: who people would consider, you know, oh, well, she's a

2551
02:42:07,560 --> 02:42:09,560
Speaker 4: celebrity and she's this, she's that. It just kind of

2552
02:42:09,600 --> 02:42:13,240
Speaker 4: shows just that common thread of being black in America.

2553
02:42:13,879 --> 02:42:16,880
Speaker 4: You're never you can be on the Grammys and have

2554
02:42:16,959 --> 02:42:19,280
Speaker 4: a cousin in County jail. You know what I'm saying, Like,

2555
02:42:19,400 --> 02:42:22,840
Speaker 4: there's never you you ain't but that far removed from

2556
02:42:23,400 --> 02:42:24,600
Speaker 4: the bottom, you know what I mean.

2557
02:42:25,160 --> 02:42:26,959
Speaker 1: So so yeah, man, I just.

2558
02:42:28,440 --> 02:42:32,039
Speaker 4: You Once Liya once referred to me as the male Solange,

2559
02:42:32,800 --> 02:42:34,000
Speaker 4: and I understand that.

2560
02:42:34,160 --> 02:42:40,800
Speaker 1: Now Solange as the female Solange. Yeah, so it makes

2561
02:42:40,840 --> 02:42:44,080
Speaker 1: sense now we relate to each other yet very very free.

2562
02:42:44,160 --> 02:42:45,440
Speaker 1: I try to be free, but.

2563
02:42:47,120 --> 02:42:49,960
Speaker 4: And I have a greater understanding about the record now.

2564
02:42:50,120 --> 02:42:52,920
Speaker 4: I never I never looked at it. I never put

2565
02:42:52,959 --> 02:42:55,760
Speaker 4: it together. When you were talking about you know, being

2566
02:42:55,800 --> 02:42:58,280
Speaker 4: a dedication to your mom and your dad, even though

2567
02:42:58,280 --> 02:43:00,640
Speaker 4: they're not together now, just being able for them to

2568
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:06,160
Speaker 4: tell their stories and you hearing that now as an adult,

2569
02:43:06,280 --> 02:43:08,720
Speaker 4: I think that's something that really resonated with me. I

2570
02:43:08,760 --> 02:43:11,600
Speaker 4: think as a kid, you just see your parents as

2571
02:43:11,680 --> 02:43:15,080
Speaker 4: like these super human people. But then once you get older,

2572
02:43:15,120 --> 02:43:16,720
Speaker 4: you just see them as just people. You know, you

2573
02:43:16,959 --> 02:43:19,600
Speaker 4: just realize that they're flawed, and they made mistakes and

2574
02:43:20,280 --> 02:43:22,440
Speaker 4: they did the best they could with whatever they had,

2575
02:43:22,720 --> 02:43:23,360
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

2576
02:43:23,520 --> 02:43:27,440
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, man, Solange's a real chick.

2577
02:43:27,520 --> 02:43:27,640
Speaker 5: Man.

2578
02:43:27,879 --> 02:43:34,320
Speaker 1: I focused a long all right, paid, Yeah, what'd you

2579
02:43:34,400 --> 02:43:40,280
Speaker 1: learn to day? Man? Just like therapy. I'm telling you,

2580
02:43:40,360 --> 02:43:46,240
Speaker 1: it's like therapy. Come on the show. What did I learn?

2581
02:43:47,480 --> 02:43:50,119
Speaker 2: I learned two things. One I still don't know why

2582
02:43:50,120 --> 02:43:54,480
Speaker 2: I'm on this show, but I think bore I learned

2583
02:43:54,480 --> 02:43:57,000
Speaker 2: every time we're here. That like, I think I'm here

2584
02:43:57,040 --> 02:43:59,800
Speaker 2: to learn a lot, and I like that, and I

2585
02:44:00,040 --> 02:44:02,400
Speaker 2: think that I leave here every time being like, first

2586
02:44:02,400 --> 02:44:04,640
Speaker 2: of all, like at least texting one friend of mine, going,

2587
02:44:04,920 --> 02:44:07,119
Speaker 2: I still have no fucking idea why I invite me back,

2588
02:44:07,160 --> 02:44:09,280
Speaker 2: and to like what I what I learned, and I think.

2589
02:44:09,640 --> 02:44:11,520
Speaker 2: And the second thing is is talking about music like

2590
02:44:11,760 --> 02:44:13,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. We talk about this sometimes when when

2591
02:44:13,520 --> 02:44:14,640
Speaker 2: are we're artists?

2592
02:44:14,720 --> 02:44:14,800
Speaker 10: Right?

2593
02:44:14,879 --> 02:44:18,080
Speaker 2: We write music and fucking whatever, and it sometimes becomes

2594
02:44:18,160 --> 02:44:20,800
Speaker 2: really business oriented. And so since Soland's here, we should

2595
02:44:20,800 --> 02:44:24,120
Speaker 2: talk about her. You seem like, at your core such

2596
02:44:24,120 --> 02:44:27,000
Speaker 2: a fucking artist to me, and that's so, and that's

2597
02:44:27,640 --> 02:44:29,600
Speaker 2: and so like with me, it's like I write, I

2598
02:44:29,680 --> 02:44:31,200
Speaker 2: work on saysme Street. I do all this ship, but

2599
02:44:31,240 --> 02:44:34,280
Speaker 2: I feel like I get confused sometimes about when it's

2600
02:44:34,320 --> 02:44:37,160
Speaker 2: a business and when it's not. And I always I

2601
02:44:37,320 --> 02:44:39,760
Speaker 2: find myself more often than not, being like, this is

2602
02:44:39,800 --> 02:44:41,000
Speaker 2: what has to be done right now, this is what

2603
02:44:41,040 --> 02:44:44,440
Speaker 2: I'm doing, blah blah blah, and and neglecting the other

2604
02:44:44,480 --> 02:44:46,120
Speaker 2: side of it. And I don't think you ever do that.

2605
02:44:46,440 --> 02:44:53,480
Speaker 2: And I think that that's great, done out, sugar, Steve.

2606
02:44:54,160 --> 02:44:57,560
Speaker 1: Yes, would you learn me? Yeah? Would you learn Steve.

2607
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Speaker 11: I liked all the stuff you were saying about the

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02:45:01,720 --> 02:45:05,240
Speaker 11: way that you feel about having a responsibility to the past.

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02:45:05,520 --> 02:45:08,320
Speaker 11: Maybe your father had felt that way or burdens. I'm

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02:45:08,320 --> 02:45:11,480
Speaker 11: not sure the phrase you put on it, but I

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02:45:11,680 --> 02:45:15,640
Speaker 11: liked all that. I'm a nostalgic person I'm somewhat archival

2612
02:45:15,800 --> 02:45:18,240
Speaker 11: and historian, and you know.

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02:45:19,480 --> 02:45:25,680
Speaker 1: Your recording engineer, well, he was one of the engineers

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02:45:25,720 --> 02:45:26,279
Speaker 1: of voodoo.

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Speaker 11: By the way, I like your respect for the past

2616
02:45:28,200 --> 02:45:32,720
Speaker 11: and making people respect the influences of the of the

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02:45:32,840 --> 02:45:35,560
Speaker 11: artists we have now respect.

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02:45:35,320 --> 02:45:39,800
Speaker 1: On an a I was actually I didn't.

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02:45:39,879 --> 02:45:41,320
Speaker 7: I don't want to say I'd learned something, but you

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02:45:41,440 --> 02:45:44,200
Speaker 7: definitely reinforce something that's kind of been on my on

2621
02:45:44,360 --> 02:45:47,040
Speaker 7: my head for for a while with the whole you know,

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02:45:47,280 --> 02:45:50,160
Speaker 7: you sat and talked with your parents for a long

2623
02:45:50,240 --> 02:45:52,400
Speaker 7: time and asked them to tell you stories, and that's

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02:45:52,560 --> 02:45:54,440
Speaker 7: something I've really wanted to do for a very long

2625
02:45:54,480 --> 02:45:57,040
Speaker 7: time and just haven't had the opportunity to do. My

2626
02:45:57,160 --> 02:45:59,720
Speaker 7: parents are getting up there in the age. I don't

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02:45:59,760 --> 02:46:01,160
Speaker 7: know how much longer I'm going to have to do it,

2628
02:46:01,320 --> 02:46:02,680
Speaker 7: so you know, I need to hurt U from do it.

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02:46:02,879 --> 02:46:06,360
Speaker 7: So thank you kind of reinforces that.

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02:46:06,520 --> 02:46:12,119
Speaker 1: Means everything that episode Master where oh yeah, yeah exactly, yeah, yeah,

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02:46:12,520 --> 02:46:19,320
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So Layah, Margaret really need first name.

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02:46:20,320 --> 02:46:21,680
Speaker 5: I don't want you to think that I just have

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02:46:21,760 --> 02:46:27,200
Speaker 5: an attribute. Okay, I wonder Margaret is my first name?

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02:46:28,240 --> 02:46:30,760
Speaker 1: Can you please tell us I don't have what you

2635
02:46:30,920 --> 02:46:31,520
Speaker 1: learned today.

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02:46:32,720 --> 02:46:37,039
Speaker 6: To be honest, mister Love, I haven't really learned much

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02:46:37,160 --> 02:46:41,280
Speaker 6: because I know a lot about launch. And also I

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02:46:41,280 --> 02:46:42,840
Speaker 6: would not take that back because that sounds like I

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02:46:42,879 --> 02:46:43,400
Speaker 6: didn't learn it.

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02:46:43,600 --> 02:46:44,080
Speaker 5: That's not true.

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02:46:44,520 --> 02:46:47,960
Speaker 6: I learned a lot of ship is she just reinforced to.

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02:46:48,160 --> 02:46:50,160
Speaker 6: I think me and the rest of the sisters that

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02:46:50,240 --> 02:46:52,080
Speaker 6: are listening that she is our sister in our head.

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02:46:53,400 --> 02:46:56,040
Speaker 6: I pray, I pray that you stay where you are

2645
02:46:56,160 --> 02:46:59,040
Speaker 6: on that whole. I can't perform these songs everywhere. I

2646
02:46:59,080 --> 02:47:02,600
Speaker 6: have to figure out. That's and because Solons, you don't,

2647
02:47:02,600 --> 02:47:04,560
Speaker 6: you can you can really do whatever the fuck you

2648
02:47:04,640 --> 02:47:06,879
Speaker 6: want to do. I do hope that you show up

2649
02:47:06,879 --> 02:47:08,760
Speaker 6: at the Grammys to get your award. But that don't

2650
02:47:08,800 --> 02:47:10,600
Speaker 6: mean that you got to say you understand what I'm saying.

2651
02:47:10,640 --> 02:47:12,440
Speaker 6: And but do figure out a way to perform for

2652
02:47:12,600 --> 02:47:15,600
Speaker 6: us by us, because they need to know. And I

2653
02:47:15,680 --> 02:47:18,400
Speaker 6: would just say that I've learned that you are super dope.

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02:47:18,400 --> 02:47:20,240
Speaker 6: We already thank you the world.

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02:47:20,600 --> 02:47:22,760
Speaker 1: Well, since you work here now, Salons, you got to

2656
02:47:23,040 --> 02:47:34,880
Speaker 1: round it out. Oh god, wow, don't focus on spread

2657
02:47:35,240 --> 02:47:42,000
Speaker 1: spread their life. Okay. I got a lot of patience

2658
02:47:42,160 --> 02:47:45,000
Speaker 1: because I know they would be sleeping right now.

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02:47:45,480 --> 02:47:48,240
Speaker 10: No, I'm really really happy to be here, and to

2660
02:47:48,400 --> 02:47:52,440
Speaker 10: be quite honest, I learned that there are safe spaces

2661
02:47:54,160 --> 02:47:57,720
Speaker 10: for storytelling, and I'm so happy that you guys created

2662
02:47:57,800 --> 02:48:03,480
Speaker 10: this platform to to have that safe space. And I've

2663
02:48:03,560 --> 02:48:07,880
Speaker 10: been really really protective about how to speak about this

2664
02:48:08,040 --> 02:48:11,680
Speaker 10: album because I feel like it's so explicitly spelled out

2665
02:48:11,800 --> 02:48:13,920
Speaker 10: on the album that it almost feels like, do I

2666
02:48:14,040 --> 02:48:16,760
Speaker 10: need to talk about it? But this was such a

2667
02:48:17,000 --> 02:48:20,840
Speaker 10: such a great start, and you guys are also kind

2668
02:48:20,959 --> 02:48:23,480
Speaker 10: and funny and charming and nerdy and.

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02:48:28,000 --> 02:48:28,440
Speaker 5: Everybody.

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02:48:35,959 --> 02:48:38,640
Speaker 10: I also learned that a mean cannot take a compliment.

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02:48:40,400 --> 02:48:43,040
Speaker 10: He needs to work on that. I learned that I

2672
02:48:43,160 --> 02:48:46,120
Speaker 10: sat next to the man that I had Twitter beef with,

2673
02:48:49,520 --> 02:48:52,240
Speaker 10: that I sat next to someone who actually used to

2674
02:48:52,320 --> 02:48:54,760
Speaker 10: work with my family, and saw my mom do karaoke.

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02:48:55,480 --> 02:48:57,000
Speaker 1: This is the ultimate fans.

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02:48:58,879 --> 02:49:02,640
Speaker 10: Now, this was really awesome. It was really good therapy

2677
02:49:03,200 --> 02:49:06,560
Speaker 10: from like the come down of last night. I woke

2678
02:49:06,680 --> 02:49:10,000
Speaker 10: up being really hard on myself and feeling actually kind

2679
02:49:10,040 --> 02:49:11,080
Speaker 10: of bummed and sad.

2680
02:49:11,560 --> 02:49:15,039
Speaker 6: Really, yeah, I do that brought way too much joy

2681
02:49:15,080 --> 02:49:16,959
Speaker 6: to be feeling like that. You have to remind yourself

2682
02:49:17,000 --> 02:49:19,200
Speaker 6: I'm so serious. You have to remind yourself. Sometimes your

2683
02:49:19,280 --> 02:49:22,120
Speaker 6: artists do that. He does that too, out of yourself.

2684
02:49:22,520 --> 02:49:24,679
Speaker 6: You're bringing people because it's selfish.

2685
02:49:24,320 --> 02:49:26,960
Speaker 10: To not do that. Yeah, I mean it's true. It's true.

2686
02:49:27,720 --> 02:49:32,320
Speaker 10: So this is such a great like closing to that,

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02:49:32,680 --> 02:49:33,640
Speaker 10: Thank you guys for that.

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02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:47,600
Speaker 1: Thank you nose ladies, gentlemen, on behalf of on, behalf

2689
02:49:47,640 --> 02:49:53,000
Speaker 1: of uh yeah, and unpaid Bill and Boss Bill and

2690
02:49:53,160 --> 02:49:59,200
Speaker 1: Sugar Steve. This is quest love supreme only on pan. Well,

2691
02:49:59,280 --> 02:50:05,280
Speaker 1: let me we gotta do. I didn't sign off. I

2692
02:50:05,320 --> 02:50:09,440
Speaker 1: didn't sign off. All right, So when Steve, when Steve

2693
02:50:09,560 --> 02:50:12,800
Speaker 1: stopped working at Electric Lady Studios where we are right now,

2694
02:50:12,920 --> 02:50:17,039
Speaker 1: where we are right now, Yes, he relocated to Philadelphia. Wait,

2695
02:50:17,160 --> 02:50:20,000
Speaker 1: can I just be Sugar Steve, like the cool version

2696
02:50:20,040 --> 02:50:24,680
Speaker 1: of Sugar version showing that you're sacrificing your life for

2697
02:50:24,800 --> 02:50:29,520
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters out there. Sugar, that's Steve. No, this

2698
02:50:29,680 --> 02:50:34,040
Speaker 1: is the best part of your thing. This it's funny.

2699
02:50:34,200 --> 02:50:40,000
Speaker 1: Every time we thought it was some sexy ship kind

2700
02:50:40,040 --> 02:50:41,640
Speaker 1: of sexualized.

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02:50:42,600 --> 02:50:44,840
Speaker 8: Where are we going? We're not going to keep it.

2702
02:50:46,920 --> 02:50:50,600
Speaker 1: It's unanimous. No, it's not. We'll tell you all in

2703
02:50:50,680 --> 02:50:56,760
Speaker 1: this room that the truth, raise your hands, damn even.

2704
02:50:56,720 --> 02:51:04,440
Speaker 5: Even it's a good story, a short one.

2705
02:51:05,720 --> 02:51:10,120
Speaker 1: Basically, when Steve moved to Philadelphia to be my full

2706
02:51:10,200 --> 02:51:14,680
Speaker 1: time engineer, UH, we were working on Pharrell's UH in

2707
02:51:14,760 --> 02:51:18,240
Speaker 1: My Mind record, and for those three weeks Steve basically

2708
02:51:19,240 --> 02:51:22,680
Speaker 1: adjusted his diet to my diet.

2709
02:51:24,840 --> 02:51:27,480
Speaker 8: I was just about to say, what was chomping?

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02:51:29,920 --> 02:51:34,600
Speaker 1: No one like Solange does Anyway, at the end of

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02:51:34,640 --> 02:51:37,680
Speaker 1: the day, at the end of the record, Steve wound

2712
02:51:37,760 --> 02:51:41,959
Speaker 1: up getting the sugars and is now has diabetes still

2713
02:51:43,920 --> 02:51:52,240
Speaker 1: levels the level of Solange's eyeballs songs were about lollipops

2714
02:51:52,240 --> 02:51:52,720
Speaker 1: and ice cream.

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02:51:56,240 --> 02:52:00,520
Speaker 11: Confused, did you really get he actually likes to take

2716
02:52:00,560 --> 02:52:02,440
Speaker 11: responsibility for this for some reason.

2717
02:52:02,520 --> 02:52:05,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, white people don't get diabetes on that level.

2718
02:52:07,080 --> 02:52:09,119
Speaker 1: And we pissed poor diet my whole life. It wasn't

2719
02:52:09,480 --> 02:52:14,080
Speaker 1: starting in Philly but culminating health. There was a soul

2720
02:52:14,720 --> 02:52:17,160
Speaker 1: was down the flock from the studio, so thus we

2721
02:52:17,560 --> 02:52:21,000
Speaker 1: ate there every night. It's like a recurring theme on

2722
02:52:21,080 --> 02:52:21,959
Speaker 1: the show for some reason.

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02:52:22,240 --> 02:52:24,680
Speaker 10: Well, that wasn't an era where you were like going

2724
02:52:25,120 --> 02:52:29,240
Speaker 10: super hard on that, like healthy microbatic.

2725
02:52:30,200 --> 02:52:34,320
Speaker 8: It was really annoying, so.

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02:52:34,520 --> 02:52:45,400
Speaker 1: Hot there were so much. I wasn't there for.

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02:52:49,200 --> 02:52:49,959
Speaker 5: South Street Diner.

2728
02:52:50,680 --> 02:52:54,920
Speaker 1: It was there for the mac and cheese. There's a

2729
02:52:55,040 --> 02:53:01,959
Speaker 1: lot of bone marrow marrow, never any Cavin Grunt.

2730
02:53:06,120 --> 02:53:10,200
Speaker 8: It was really hardcore and you are being really like

2731
02:53:10,400 --> 02:53:12,360
Speaker 8: kind of obnoxious.

2732
02:53:11,760 --> 02:53:17,039
Speaker 10: About this person really like me about food and ship,

2733
02:53:18,360 --> 02:53:19,959
Speaker 10: like literally calling me up.

2734
02:53:19,959 --> 02:53:23,680
Speaker 5: Like super foods are superfoods.

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02:53:25,320 --> 02:53:29,480
Speaker 1: And gentlemen on behalf of everybody. Quest Supreme, my name

2736
02:53:29,520 --> 02:53:39,160
Speaker 1: is Quest, loved this Bandora, good Night, What's Love? Supreme

2737
02:53:39,320 --> 02:53:42,520
Speaker 1: is a production of my Heart Radio. This classic episode

2738
02:53:42,640 --> 02:53:48,440
Speaker 1: was produced by the team at Pandora. For more podcasts

2739
02:53:48,480 --> 02:53:52,000
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2740
02:53:52,440 --> 02:53:54,160
Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.