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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull. That for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 1: Edith Steak is that woo woom? And Dan and Tie

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the solid verbal boys and girls. My

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Speaker 1: name is Ty Hildebrand, joining me as always over there

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Speaker 1: in Chicago Land, the one the only mister Dan Rubinstein, Sir,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, Ty. I'm using a resistance band right now.

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Speaker 2: This is one hundred percent true. If you saw the risk, all, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've got resistance. I'm doing some curls with resistance bands.

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Speaker 2: Why well, I've been on the go for quite some time,

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Speaker 2: and this is the easiest way when you don't have

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Speaker 2: a gym, when you don't have weights available to you.

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Speaker 2: It's I don't know if it's an next best thing,

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Speaker 2: but it's a thing that you can do to work

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Speaker 2: on your tone, on your muscles and tie. I'm just

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Speaker 2: staying ready. I don't know what the next few months

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Speaker 2: has in store for the college well season, but I

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Speaker 2: am staying ready. I'm staying vigilant. I'm keeping my muscle

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Speaker 2: tone mediocre because if it slips anywhere beneath that. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what to expect. We have a show to do.

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Speaker 2: There's college football coming up. We're previewing teams. I am

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Speaker 2: staying ready. Okay, that's all I can.

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Speaker 1: This is at least half the plot from over the top.

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Speaker 2: This is I'm looking pretty good right now, Okay, which

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Speaker 2: I guess the ACC is as well, right, looking pretty good?

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Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, that's what we call a segue here in

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Speaker 1: the business, and by business we mean the industry. We're

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Speaker 1: going to be talking about all things ACC football tonight,

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Speaker 1: if you can believe it. We did a big twelve

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Speaker 1: here we are welcome to September. We're going to do

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Speaker 1: our best to make it a September to remember Daniel,

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Speaker 1: because we're going to talk all things ACC. And then

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Speaker 1: on Thursday we're going to talk all things SEC. And

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Speaker 1: then I believe if memory serves, next weekend, the weekend

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Speaker 1: so I'm getting ready for that. We've got all sorts

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Speaker 1: of news that we're going to get through. It's been

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Speaker 1: very busy, very active, as you might expect. If you've

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Speaker 1: just popped onto Twitter or turned on ESPN for any

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Speaker 2: I've been looking at social media less and I gotta

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Speaker 2: tell you, Ty, it's pretty amazing. It's pretty incredible, both

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Speaker 2: as relates to college football and world events and just

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Speaker 2: people in general. I could not recommend it more. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: Shall we get to the breaking news. Let's do it, Dan,

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Speaker 1: we have breaking news. Maybe boo boo boop. Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: is right. So this whole Big Ten saga around college

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Speaker 1: don't mind. We had a presidential tweet earlier today. There

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, other conferences canceled their seasons as well,

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Speaker 2: But I just sort of think it's wishful thinking and

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Speaker 2: It only makes a difference to think like a president

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Speaker 1: Speaking of concrete plans, the SEC on CBS has released

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Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty TV schedule. Hey, okay, they're going to

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Speaker 1: Three point thirty on Halloween. LSU at Auburn h Saturday

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Speaker 2: and or beaten some decent teams.

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Speaker 1: Is there anyone on the schedule you look at him

434
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Speaker 1: and you say, I think they can actually exploit both

435
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Speaker 1: in one game. They're good enough up front, but they

436
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: can get some pressure on Trevor Lawrence, maybe change the

437
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: rhythm there. Don't know if it's gonna matter because again

438
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Speaker 1: it's Trevor Lawrence, but can exploit that potential weakness and

439
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: also can blow the lid off the defense and attack

440
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Speaker 1: the backside of that Clemson secondary.

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Speaker 2: There's no sure thing because I think part a the

442
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Speaker 2: former is Notre Dame, but I worry about the latter

443
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Speaker 2: with Ian Book downfield, because that that's what you need.

444
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Speaker 2: That's what we've seen Notre Dame try to do unsuccessfully

445
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Speaker 2: against Clemson and Brent Venables. So Notre Dame is as

446
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Speaker 2: close as it gets on that schedule, just because of

447
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: the depth that they've built up and I like Clark

448
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 2: Lee as a defensive mind and how they've recruited on

449
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 2: defense and the proven elements to that defense. But offensively,

450
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: that's the big issue for me with Notre Dame. So

451
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Speaker 2: if they can ugly that game up, they can win

452
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: a twenty to seventeen game. I just don't think they

453
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Speaker 2: can win a thirty four to twenty seven game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair Dan completely.

455
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Speaker 2: Okay, So I think that's my answer. I mean, I

456
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 2: don't know if you have any strong opinions about Clemson

457
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 2: this year, but they're one of the least interesting teams

458
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: to me about the ACC because we just know everything already.

459
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we know a lot about Clemson, don't we. We

460
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: really do.

461
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Amani Rodgers will be really interesting now

462
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: that he's going to be the full time number one

463
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Speaker 2: option out wide for Trevor Lawrence. I saw an article

464
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: that was really fun about how he's doing yoga now,

465
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: so he's more flexible than I think you had in mind.

466
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Speaker 1: Ti Amari Rodgers now getting the Brian Kelly treatment from

467
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Speaker 1: the press.

468
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Speaker 2: Great, Yeah, did I say, Imani Amari?

469
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Now, I mean I I'll just go back

470
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Speaker 1: to what I said on the previous episode. They're a

471
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Speaker 1: minus three fifty favorite to win the ACC championship and yeah,

472
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Speaker 1: the next closest would be Notre Dame at five to one,

473
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Speaker 1: and I think that's about right.

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Speaker 2: Frankly, Yeah, I mean, Clemson's going to be populated with

475
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 2: special players and no other team in the conference can

476
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Speaker 2: say it to the Tigers extent.

477
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Speaker 1: Where should we go next?

478
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Speaker 2: I think we should just transition easily to Notre Dame.

479
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Speaker 1: Okay, hit me.

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Speaker 2: So the thing that's interesting to me about Notre Dame,

481
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Speaker 2: I suppose, is the Tom Tommy Reese tomoment. Tommy tom

482
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Speaker 2: Tommy Yeah, Tom Tommy rees is interesting to me because

483
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame has had a good, pretty good, sometimes really

484
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: good offense these past few years, and it generally goes

485
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Speaker 2: through stretches. You have sophomore Deshaun Kaiser year and it's

486
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Speaker 2: twenty five fifteen. You have the first half of twenty

487
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Speaker 2: seventeen with Josh Adams dragging you know, Brandon Wimbush and

488
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 2: some okay receivers forward and a great offensive line doing

489
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Speaker 2: the same. And then the past couple of years it's

490
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: been more efficient than it has been big play, which

491
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: has worked largely for Notre Dame, but I don't think

492
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Speaker 2: that aligns with their top, top level goals. So to

493
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Speaker 2: you with what you're reading, with what you're seeing, what

494
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: is what is the new element?

495
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Speaker 1: What is the twist?

496
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Speaker 2: What is the line squeeze about tom Tommy Rees? That's

497
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Speaker 2: going to be different.

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Speaker 1: First off, we're going to talk about Tommy Rees. We

499
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Speaker 1: need to bring back the resis. I'm happy that we

500
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Speaker 1: can bring this back into our lexicon. Yeah, let me

501
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Speaker 1: let me step back from that for a second. Just

502
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Speaker 1: acknowledge something up front. This is an extraordinary year for

503
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame football. They have joined a conference at autam necessity.

504
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Speaker 1: But if I said it once, I've said it a

505
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: thousand times Now I am so curious to see if

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Speaker 1: this leads to any change of heart in longer term

507
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Speaker 1: around independence. If nothing else, it's one of those interesting

508
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: quirks that we've been foreshadowing now through the course of

509
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: this pandemic. But Notre Dame in a conference they step

510
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: in now, I think you're right to bring them up

511
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: after Clemson. That's where they fall in the official Vegas odds.

512
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: They probably are the next best team in the conference.

513
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Speaker 1: And this question around Tommy Rees is frankly a very

514
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Speaker 1: very good one. It's something that I've been trying to

515
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Speaker 1: figure out the answer to all off season. The truth

516
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Speaker 1: here is that Reees steps into a pretty good situation.

517
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Speaker 1: It's the first time and Brian Kelly's eleven year tenure

518
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: that he'll have a three year starter at quarterback. That's

519
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: a big deal. Yeah, all five starters are back along

520
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: the offensive line. They even bring back a sixth guy,

521
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Speaker 1: a rotation guy, so there's there's some depth there. There's

522
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Speaker 1: a lot of experience. That's a great starting point. Job

523
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Speaker 1: Number one is assembling the passing game in a way

524
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Speaker 1: that is far less predictable, and it's not going to

525
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: be easy. Their top four pass catchers are all gone,

526
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Speaker 1: Chase Claypool's not going to be out there like jumping

527
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: out of the stadium making circus catches. So you know,

528
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Speaker 1: what's the passing game look like? That's where I go

529
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Speaker 1: first with Reese. What can you do?

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Speaker 2: This is col Comet gone, cole Comet's gone? Okay? Do

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Speaker 2: they have another six to eight dependable tight end waiting?

532
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Speaker 2: Tommy Tremble, Oh good name.

533
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Speaker 1: Not six to eight. But they've got options. They've always

534
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: got options at tight end. The wide receiving core, though,

535
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Speaker 1: is a real unknown quantity, a lot of potential, but

536
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Speaker 1: we just we don't know. We've got guys who are

537
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: all similarly built in Brayden, Lenzay and Lawrence Key's the

538
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Speaker 1: third all in the five ten, five eleven, anywhere from

539
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Speaker 1: one seventy five to one ninety range. Explosiveness is I

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Speaker 1: think something you look for out of a guy like

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Speaker 1: a Brayden, Lindsay who was there Morgan?

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, they've.

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Speaker 1: Also got to transfer in and Bennett, I'm gonna screw

544
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Speaker 1: this up. Skearonic, scaronic something like that. Yeah, from Northwestern

545
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: Big Kids six four more of a possession guy. So

546
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Speaker 1: the wide receiving core to me is is where I

547
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: think Reecee can do the most work. The most complementary

548
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: thing I can say about the other skill position at

549
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: running back is that there are good options or good options.

550
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Speaker 1: So Reese will have guys to work with. And I

551
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: like Jafar Armstrong, but he's been snake bitten, and so

552
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: is Jamiir Smith, and who knows about Chris Tyree the freshman.

553
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Speaker 1: They have options, right. It's kind of the same deal

554
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: as the wide receiver room. Maybe more known quantities there

555
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: at running back, but it's just like he's got to

556
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Speaker 1: figure out how to assemble these pieces here and get

557
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: this offense humming in a way that I think is

558
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: a little less predictable. You used to be able to

559
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Speaker 1: call the players with Chip. It was getting to that

560
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: point now with Reese. Hopefully he can spread the defense

561
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Speaker 1: out a little bit more, use some of that speed

562
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Speaker 1: more to his advantage, and see if maybe we can

563
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: get more pop out of that passing game.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I want to know, ty and I don't

565
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: know how closely you are tracking this every day. Are

566
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: there stories coming out to the effect of, this isn't

567
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: your grandpappies, Tom Reese, This isn't your Grandpappy ian Book.

568
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: You guys are not gonna believe the bombs that he

569
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Speaker 2: is throwing downfield. We're talking laser left, laser right.

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Speaker 1: He is gonna turn some let me head, let me

571
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Speaker 1: say this. If you go through and read just about

572
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Speaker 1: every preview, a lot of folks are chirping about how

573
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Speaker 1: efficient ian Book was, and truly, if you look at

574
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Speaker 1: his back half of the season, the numbers were incredible. Yeah,

575
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: dodible numbers is a very good college quarterback, so you

576
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: can't take that away from him. But it does strike

577
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: me as perhaps a little bit of a trojan horse

578
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: in the sense that I've watched him throw the deep ball,

579
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Speaker 1: and if he doesn't have a big guy who can

580
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: go up and get it, a little bit of an

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Speaker 1: issue there.

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame is still waiting to see if ian Buck

583
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Speaker 2: can be both a gentleman in the streets and a

584
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Speaker 2: freak in the sheets.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's right. Okay, otherwise though, I'll you know,

586
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: just move quick through defense. I'm low key really pumped

587
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: about it. Not a lot of big household names, but

588
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: they're very experienced, they're very solid, with good depth. They're

589
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: flushed with guys who have a lot of upside the

590
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: name I am watching up front. I'm gonna screw this one.

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Speaker 1: I'm right too, Adao, Gunda g He's really shown great

592
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: improvement in his time at Notre Dame. I think he's

593
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: poised for an even bigger year off the edge. So

594
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: the line as a hole is very solid. Secondary is

595
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: going to be the concern. But whenever you've got Kyle

596
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: Hamilton back there, he kind of covers up a lot

597
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Speaker 1: of sins.

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Speaker 2: Great.

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Speaker 1: I don't see more than two losses on the schedule.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Clemson and maybe a North Carolina or Louisville,

601
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: but should be fine with Louisville. Yeah, should be a

602
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: very good year for Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's reasonable.

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00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: I left a lot out too. Okay.

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Speaker 2: By the way, as you were talking about it's a

606
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: huge year for Notre Dame because they've joined a conference.

607
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: They've long been fiercely independent, all I could think about

608
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: was a trailer for a rom com in my head,

609
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Speaker 2: like from a nineties like he said he was going

610
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Speaker 2: to be a bachelor forever until and here we are

611
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Speaker 2: in the intel face.

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Speaker 1: Let's move back to the Atlantic, and let's talk about Louisville. Okay,

613
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Speaker 1: well their story in twenty nineteen. Oh, this is so dramatic.

614
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Speaker 1: I love this. Sorry, I'm sorry for all of the

615
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: good of an explosive passing offense, all of the bad, yeah,

616
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: of the defense. What is the biggest reason you have

617
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Speaker 1: now is we move a year forward that the defense

618
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: can hold up its end of the bargain this fall

619
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Speaker 1: at least sometimes not all the time. But is the

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00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: defense gonna make them less of a half team? I

621
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Speaker 1: think so.

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Speaker 2: I don't think dramatically so because it's it's still Scott

623
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Speaker 2: Saderfield and his staff inheriting players. And you need really

624
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: good players to have a really good defense. And or

625
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: you need pretty good players in a lot of time

626
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Speaker 2: with a coach and a system in terminology to put

627
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Speaker 2: forth a really good defense.

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Speaker 1: I think you know.

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Speaker 2: The great news is what you talked about is that

630
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: the offense is going to score points against basically this

631
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Speaker 2: entire schedule. We love Mikhael Cunningham, We love to to

632
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 2: at Well and Des Fitzpatrick. You know, probably a very

633
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 2: top line duo of receivers in the ACC. They can

634
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 2: run the ball. They have a couple of pieces big

635
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: the literal big pieces to replace on the offensive line,

636
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Speaker 2: namely McKai Beckton, the left tackle, the enormous left tackle.

637
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: But what I would look for from this Louisville defense

638
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: as a sign of improvement. They're not just going to

639
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: have all conference players at every level of the defense overnight.

640
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: What I would look for is can they get off

641
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: the field on third down more often? Can they turn

642
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 2: sixes into threes in the red zone? And the good

643
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: news if you're looking for evidence proof, whatever, but a

644
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: small sample size is Brian Brown, the defensive coordinator for

645
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 2: Louisville in his year as Scott Saderfield's defensive coordinator app

646
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: State in twenty eighteen, led a defense to amazing results situationally,

647
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: both in the red zone and on third down. And

648
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: so Louisville was truly truly heinous situationally and on giving

649
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: up big plays, everything that a defense could do poorly

650
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. Louisville defense basically did I think Lynn

651
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: Bowden still running in that just shellacking from Kentucky. I

652
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: think they'll be more comfortable. And it's not just the

653
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: players learning the system more. It's Brian Brown, the defensive

654
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: coordinator self scouting, seeing what he did wrong, what he

655
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: can fix, how he can better use his players. And

656
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: if it goes from taking a forty percent I think

657
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: they're at forty percent third down conversion rate the defensively

658
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: to thirty five percent to thirty four percent something like that.

659
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 2: That adds up because the longer a bad defense is

660
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: on the field, the more likely it is they're just

661
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: going to give up a touchdown. But if they can

662
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: figure out ways to get crafty and get off the

663
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: field after only giving up two or three short first

664
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: downs whatever, that's a big difference maker. To give the

665
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: offense the more wiggle room, to give the offense a

666
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: better field. That's that's where to look for Louisville, going

667
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: from truly bad to just at times.

668
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: Okay, this is one of the more experienced teams entering

669
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: the two twenty season. Seventy nine percent returning production on offense,

670
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: seventy seven percent returning production on defense. But the defense

671
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: is the real concern. One ten in scoring defense last year,

672
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: one hundred and twentieth in yards per carry aloud, and

673
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: ninety fifth in quarterback rating allowed. They they just need

674
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: to shore that up a little bit. If they can

675
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: shore up their defense a little bit and if they

676
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: can get just like marginal improvement along their offensive line,

677
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: that would make this football team way, way better.

678
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: And the good news is Mikhail Cunningham is probably one

679
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: of the five best quarterbacks in college football, especially with

680
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 2: the limited number of Power five teams.

681
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: Mike, Hell, yeah, so that can cover up for a lot.

682
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: I like Louisville. I don't know how much yet, but

683
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: saw a lot out of Mikail Cunningham down the stretch

684
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: last year. The stat that I saw from our friend

685
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: over at Pick six Previews, he pointed out that just

686
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: given the threshol holds for officially qualifying as the leader

687
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: in a stat category, and you know, it can be

688
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: sometimes a little bit weird about who qualifies and who doesn't.

689
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: But if he had thrown, if Michael Cunningham had thrown

690
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: just one more pass, he would have officially qualified as

691
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: the number two quarterback in the nation in terms of

692
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: quarterback rating and number one in the nation in terms

693
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: of yards per attempt. It's one more pass, It's all

694
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: he would have needed.

695
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 2: Miami and pitt and back to back weeks early on,

696
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: and then Notre Dame on the road, and then both

697
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: Florida State and Virginia Tech at home, followed by Virginia

698
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: and then they close out the schedule in I'm not

699
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: going to say a nice way, but it could be

700
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: a rougher landing Syracuse Boston College Wake, and they missed Clemson,

701
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 2: So good for Lowville.

702
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: Where are we going next?

703
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: Uh? I guess we should go to another threat. I

704
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: see them as a threat. I don't know how big

705
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 2: of a threat, but I want to talk about Virginia Tech.

706
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: Ooh, the Hokies.

707
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: The Hokies, because I really do like Hendon Hooker and

708
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: what they looked like when he was healthy last year

709
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: he missed a little bit of time, but when he

710
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: became the guy in Blacksburg, they became really impressive. The

711
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 2: strange thing about Virginia Tech was the defense. Even with

712
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: Bud Foster and his swan song of a final season,

713
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 2: they were sort of all over the place in uncharacteristic fashion.

714
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: So are you.

715
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: Looking at a new defensive coordinator as a big trouble

716
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: y question or are you looking at as you know what?

717
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: It was time?

718
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: It was time for a new brain on that sidelines,

719
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: to get inside the lunchbox of Virginia Tech defense. Where

720
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: do you lean that in terms of a change on

721
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: defense and what it means for Virginia Tech.

722
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the operative question, right. Yeah, Bud Foster had

723
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: been there in some capacity since NIKE eighty seven. Justin

724
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: Fuente called him the greatest, the greatest defensive coordinator in

725
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: the history of college football, and you know, I mean

726
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: he's up there. He's very influential.

727
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: Yep.

728
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: To answer your question here, I guess I'm a little

729
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: bit of both. I'm a little concerned. I'm also on

730
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: the side of Fuente needing to get kind of like

731
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: the last remnant of the Beamer era out just to

732
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: kind of move the program forward more in his own image. Now,

733
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: the caveat here is that Justin Hamilton takes over, and

734
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, he's a young guy, he's thirty seven, but

735
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: he was a Bud Foster understudy, promoted from he was

736
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: promoted from within. Yeah, so I think you're going to

737
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: see a lot of the same stuff out there. The

738
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: other thing that I point out is they also brought

739
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: in Tracy Clays from Wazoo. Before that, he was with Minnesota,

740
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: a really good defensive coach who I think we both

741
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: like a lot. He's going to help because the assistants

742
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: around Bud Foster at the time, they are all gone

743
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: now too, so they bring in Tracy Clays to help

744
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: Justin Hamilton. Out Look, most of the team is back here, Dan.

745
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: It does hurt that Caleb Farley, probably the best returning

746
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: defensive back in the ACC before he opted out, is

747
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: obviously not going to be on the team, So that

748
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: I think is gonna leave a mark. But the back

749
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: seven still pretty loaded. The linebacking corps is entirely intact.

750
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: I've got questions about the defensive line, but I really

751
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: feel like there is a high floor for this team

752
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: on defense. Let's go back to Hendon Hooker though, ok

753
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: a second, I'm okay with the defense. I think they're

754
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. It might take a little bit for

755
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: Justin Hamilton to find his groove, but enough back there

756
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: that I think they're gonna be okay. Okay. Hendon Hooker

757
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: had such an impact when he took over in late September.

758
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: Remember last year was supposed to be a cutoff of

759
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: the Ryan Willis album, Right, we're all excited about Ryan Willis. Okay,

760
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: But the tech offense after Hendon Hooker got in there

761
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: was fourteen points better the difference good number points. That's

762
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: a lot of freaking points. The difference was his mobility.

763
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: It just it like added another layer to that offense,

764
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: more zone Reid stuff. They found a way to keep

765
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: the defense off balance. A lot of design power runs

766
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: too for the quarterback because he's a big kid, like

767
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: he's out there trucking guys. So him coming in added

768
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: a new dimension to this offense. It certainly gave Virginia

769
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: Tech a different angle to play things on the offensive side.

770
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: And I think now as we move forward, after Hooker

771
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: had that year, you take into account a running back

772
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: room that is that is also very interesting. Now, they

773
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: had de Sean mccleae leave early for the NFL, and

774
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: it seemed like Kishan King was going to be the

775
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: heir apparent. But Tech, playing the same game as everyone else,

776
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: goes out and they pick up two transfers, one of

777
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: which is Khalil Herbert from Kansas, the other of which

778
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: is Raheem Blackshear from Rutgers, who just today was given

779
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: immediate eligibility. And so now suddenly we've got King in there,

780
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: We've got Herbert, and we've got black Shear. Different kinds

781
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: of running backs right, like Herbert's more power, black Sheear's

782
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: smaller and more nimble. We've also got a guy like

783
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: a Marco Lee who transferred in a big kid. I

784
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: only bring all this up because Tech has this long

785
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: tradition of having a good rushing attack, and it feels

786
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: like an eternity since we had anything dependable back there.

787
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: I am so curious to see now, knowing that Hendon

788
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: Hooker had a good year, that he's mobile, that you

789
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: can do different stuff with him. You've got different kinds

790
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: of running backs now. I would be very curious to

791
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: see if the new look Virginia Tech team with Hendon

792
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: Hooker finds a way to utilize that. I know that

793
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: obviously Justin Falente made his mark as like this guy

794
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: who likes to air it out. But he suddenly has

795
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: a quarterback who can do things with his legs in

796
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: a really powerful way, and with the depth that they

797
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: have at running back. I don't know. I'm just very curious.

798
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: I might be more interested in both of the Virginia

799
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: teams this year in twenty twenty than any other teams

800
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: in the ACC.

801
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: Two running backs have gone over a thousand yards in

802
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: the last decade for Virginia Tech. Now the game has

803
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: evolved to the point where what you can do through

804
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: the air seems to be more important, and how you

805
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: use a running back in a versatile way is where

806
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: football is right now. I did not realize it got

807
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: so awful in the backfield in terms of consistent production.

808
00:44:54,680 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: Trevon McMillan and David will Seevid Wilson, yep, mister backflip himself.

809
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: So it'd be nice for Hendon Hooker to keep defenses

810
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: honest in a way that not a lot of recent

811
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: And we've had some some I think pretty decent Virginia

812
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: Tech quarterbacks in recent years. I mean Logan Thomas had

813
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: his moments, and I know I'm forgetting somebody who was

814
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: Who's the JC guy from just a couple of years ago.

815
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: I mean, Josh Jackson came in, but now I'm forgetting

816
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: his name and he left too early. But draw Evans,

817
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: draw Evans. So I'm excited that I think Hendon Hooker

818
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 2: gives them a higher ceiling than they've had at his

819
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: absolute best. So I'm excited to see where this leads.

820
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: Did you know that Braxton Burmeister is on this roster too?

821
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: I did know that, but he did not get immediate eligibility.

822
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: I don't believe. No, the the final point here in

823
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech, I love the way the schedule sets up

824
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: for him. It's sort of like a banger's only ACC slate,

825
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: but it's space.

826
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: It's a nice schedule.

827
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: It's spaced out of a way that's not too crazy,

828
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: Like they're at North Carolina and then they got three

829
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: weeks before they're at Louisville in a couple weeks before

830
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: they come home against Miami, and then like three more

831
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: weeks until they're home against Clemson. The close out the year.

832
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: From a scheduling standpoint, that's about as good as you're

833
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 1: going to get with four games, all of which should

834
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: be pretty tough games.

835
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, they miss what Notre Dame and Florida State. Yeah,

836
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 2: I believe in terms of the huge now ACC programs,

837
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: at least for now. So Yeah, the spacing is really nice.

838
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: The fact that they'll have an entire season before Clemson,

839
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: and they get Clemson in Lane Stadium, it's wonderful.

840
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: Let's stick with Florida State since you mentioned the Knowles. Yeah, Okay,

841
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: this is a storied program, Dan, and it is not

842
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: lost on any of us that since Jimbo left it

843
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: has very much been in flux. I have to ask

844
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: the question, how much deeper do the Florida State issues

845
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: run than, you know, just the offense. Like Mike Norvel,

846
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: offensive guy coming in, I think we all expect at

847
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: some point in his tenure he's going to be able

848
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: to quote unquote fix it and make it better. But

849
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: we're in year one change in the system. How much

850
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: more meat is there on the bone beyond just whatever

851
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: he can do and gobble up. In terms of offense,

852
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot happening. There's a lot happening because it

853
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: I mean the defense. For all the talent they've recruited

854
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: on all three levels, the linebackers have been pretty bad.

855
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: I don't think the secondary in terms of guys with

856
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: high level expectations, have fully worked out to where I

857
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: think Florida State fans and Florida State coaches of multiple

858
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: staffs have expected them to. The defensive lines interesting. Marvin

859
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: Wilson is a name that I think a lot of

860
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: people know. He anchors the line. I think he's expected

861
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: to be on a national level, appreciated, and he's like

862
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: a preseason All American or something. I think the defensive

863
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: line will be pretty good. I think the defense will

864
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: be more improved. The big issue with Florida State, it

865
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: seems from the outside from AFAR, is just that day

866
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: to day organization and paying attention to detail that the

867
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: Willy Taggart era and the Willy Taggart staff, they were

868
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: there to recruit and generate excitement, but the unexciting stuff

869
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: is what helps you win championships or what gets you

870
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: to eight and then ten wins, and so that was

871
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: what was lacking. And by all accounts, Mike Norvella and

872
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: his staff have been a lot more dependable and organized

873
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: and detail oriented than the previous staff or whatever the

874
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: end of the Jimbo era look like. So that's good.

875
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: Communication at times has not been great, at least that's

876
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: what it seems publicly between the coaches and players, but

877
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: hopefully all of that is getting fixed for the season.

878
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 1: I think they will be improved. They're going to it's

879
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: not as even though Memphis looked like a much more

880
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: modern offense there were pro style concepts. It's not going

881
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: to be as what at Gulf Coast quick screens and

882
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: RPO stuff, and there's going to be a lot of

883
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: RPO stuff in this offense, but I think it's a

884
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: lot more pro style than at least I was anticipating.

885
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: So James Blackman should be put in a position where

886
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: he's able to have the scheme open up receivers for him,

887
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: where he's not gonna have to throw receivers open or

888
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: get it the ball into tight windows, things like that.

889
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: But as I've mentioned before, I'm at a certain point. Guy.

890
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: We've seen a lot of James Blackman, and what the

891
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: James Blackman experience is is there are times when he

892
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: looks really good. It generally tends to be against not

893
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: so good competition and against the better teams and the

894
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: bigger situations, he becomes less dependable. Throws that he should

895
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: be completing by now downfield he doesn't. So will it you?

896
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: Will it be a Mike Norvell. Kenny Dillingham is the

897
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: young offense coordinator. He was born in twenty ten, Taie,

898
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: did you know that about Florida State twenty ten? He

899
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: is ten years old. So he was at Auburn last

900
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: year but was not calling plays for the Tigers. So

901
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: he has a really good reputation in the coaching world

902
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: as being a boy Wonder. So hopefully that combination of

903
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: prior success and just a fresh start with I think

904
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: their fourth offensive coordinator in four years means something. There's

905
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: a little bit more consistency and just the terminology sings

906
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: in quickly. He was named the starter. I think he

907
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: will improve. I think he is a quarterback with a

908
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 2: pretty low ceiling. That's my concern. No, cam akers now

909
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: to help them in the run game. They've recruited fine,

910
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: not amazingly well these past couple of years.

911
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: I am.

912
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: I am confident by the end of the year will

913
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: have a concept of what Florida State can be, but

914
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: not what they are, what they want.

915
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: To be, or what they want to be, you know.

916
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right to say that recruiting has been fine,

917
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: but it has trended downward the last three seasons and

918
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: it needs to start trending back up. I think if

919
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: they want to start getting on that path. You know,

920
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: from a really high level, it's offensive line and quarterback.

921
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: Those are the big Those are the big issues on

922
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: offense that Mike Norvel needs to try and come and fix.

923
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: The defense should be fine, should be loaded, but there

924
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on at Florida State. It's not

925
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: an easy job. It does extend off the field as well,

926
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: so we wish Mike Norvel well, but it's it's a

927
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: big rebuild in some sense of the word and not

928
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: so much in others. Correct.

929
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna take time.

930
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: Where you want to go next?

931
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I guess what. I'm interested in Miami.

932
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: I am for sure interested in Miami because I have

933
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: fond memories of Derek King. They are rivals with Florida State.

934
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: At times they looked kind of fun last year, and

935
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: at times they look like they were nightmare bad and

936
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: forgot the rules of football. So, as far as you

937
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: can tell in Miami right now.

938
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: Is is is it.

939
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: One side of the ball saving the other or both sides?

940
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: Do you anticipate being equal contributors to hypothetical success?

941
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: Well, let me start here. That's that's the question. You

942
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: got the right questions. Okay, as a whole, I really

943
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: like Manny Diaz. I want this to work for him.

944
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: He's Miami guy. What but it says, I know this

945
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: is Brandon breaking news play. It was his dad the mayor.

946
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: His dad may have been the mayor even though he

947
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,479
Speaker 1: went to Florida State. This is a team that went

948
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: six and seventy year ago. Yeah, a good defense, a

949
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: shaky offense. I don't think any of that was unexpected.

950
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: What got me, though, is that this team quit. They

951
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: quit down the stretch. They beat Louisville by four touchdowns

952
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: and pretty much packed it in three straight bad losses

953
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: to close out the year. I'm talking if I you

954
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: Duke and Louisiana Tech. Do you remember talking about LA

955
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: Tech in the bowl game? You remember that conversation. I

956
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: remember you and I were looking at this and we're thinking,

957
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: I don't care what the point spread is, Miami quit,

958
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: we gotta go LA Tech outright? We did. They won

959
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: the game fourteen to nothing. Louisiana Tech did. I don't

960
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: like it when it seems like a team quits, so

961
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: forgive me if I'm skeptical that anything is going to

962
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: quote unquote work.

963
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: I don't like it when team scored zero, literally no points. Well,

964
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: that too, I don't like that either.

965
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we zoom in on the offense this season,

966
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: I think it's the right move that they went out

967
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: and got rhtt Lashley.

968
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:57,479
Speaker 2: Why is that?

969
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: Well, here's why I think it's the right move because

970
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: of the combination between Lashly and their new transfer Deeric King.

971
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 1: Deeric King is a near perfect fit for that offense.

972
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 1: So let's think of Cam Newton, Let's think of Nick

973
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: Marshall at Auburn. That's like kind of a prototype for

974
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: what you might be able to expect here in terms

975
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: of steaming, in terms of scheme, in terms of scheme.

976
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: All right, So I think I think this is a

977
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: good combo in order to make that offense better. If

978
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: nothing else, it's gonna be much faster, tempo, much more

979
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: exciting than the stuff that Danny's enos was doing last year.

980
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: Bigger picture, like, if Rhet Lashley can help build Miami

981
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: into the South Florida Auburn, that'd be amazing, That'd be incredible. Okay,

982
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: I think the offense is gonna be better than last year.

983
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: My problem is that the only other player I like

984
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: on this offense is the tight end. Brevin Joe is

985
00:54:58,840 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 1: the tight end Brevin Jordan.

986
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: Okay, I just don't know about Ratt Lashley.

987
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't know.

988
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: I feel like if I were to hang out with

989
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 2: Ryan Gosling and Brad Pitt doesn't make me any better looking.

990
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

991
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 2: What he is specifically responsible for doing with SMU and Auburn.

992
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: I know he's a Gus guy. I think he played

993
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 2: quarterback for Gus in high school.

994
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: He did.

995
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 2: I just feel like it's some of the Gus pixie

996
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: dusts and maybe a little bit of Sunny Dyke's pixie

997
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: dust that's propelling his contract and opportunities forward.

998
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I'm not sure I fully

999
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: see it. I think it's totally fair to come down

1000
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: on that side of the fence, and I share your skepticism.

1001
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: I do think that for the scheme that we know

1002
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: Lashley likes to run, Dearick King's a good fit for that.

1003
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: My skepticism is less rooted in what we think of

1004
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: him as a coordinator and more with the atmospherics of

1005
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: the offense all right. Outside of Brevin Jordan, the line

1006
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: last year was young and terrible and they gave up

1007
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: fifty sacks.

1008
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1009
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: Most of those guys are back, but are they going

1010
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: to get better? I don't know. I'm inclined to say yes,

1011
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 1: but I don't think we're looking at like a quantum

1012
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: leap forward here, not with a new offense being installed

1013
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: amid a freaking pandemic.

1014
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: It's I was gonna say, it's very rare with line

1015
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: play where you talk about a line being atrocious and

1016
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: then fast forward a year and say they're pretty good.

1017
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean we talked about that with Penn State.

1018
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the other thing.

1019
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: DJ Dallas is gone.

1020
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1021
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: Can Cameron Harris step in and be the bell cow?

1022
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: Can he get two hundred carries a year?

1023
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 2: Does he get his own offensive line?

1024
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1025
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 2: Does he get a new one?

1026
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: I he as good as a backup, But I you know,

1027
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: and then what's the receiving corps? Like, I don't know.

1028
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: There are a lot of guys who have potential, but

1029
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: there's no one that you look at the roster and

1030
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,479
Speaker 1: you say, Aha, that's the guy. That's the guy who's

1031
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: going to be the playmaker. So you know, there's reason

1032
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: to like the offense. I think. I do think that

1033
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: the Deeric King ANDRHT Lashley Combo is good. But I

1034
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: do worry about the supporting cast. Defensively, they you know,

1035
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: they lost guys to the NFL. Maybe not a top

1036
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: ten defense this year, but at worst case it's like

1037
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: top twenty five. Maybe we're splitting hairs. I just I

1038
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: have a lot of confidence in that partnership between Manny

1039
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: Diaz and Blake Baker, their defensive coordinator. That said, it

1040
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: is a huge deal that Gregory was so opted out.

1041
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: Here's a guy he led the ACC fifteen and a

1042
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: half sacks as a red shirt freshman, obviously projected as

1043
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: a first rounder in the upcoming draft. He pulled the

1044
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: plug back at the beginning of August. So you know,

1045
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: I think still the defense is going to be the

1046
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: side of the ball leading the charge here. For as

1047
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: much as we talk about Deeric King transferring in, don't

1048
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: let it distract you from what Miami did on defense

1049
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: in the transfer market here too high profile transfers, we're

1050
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: going to say yeah, yeah, Quincy Roche from Temple and

1051
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: also Jalen Phillips coming in from UCLA Rashe had fourteen

1052
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: sacks last year and number Yeah. Phillips is a former

1053
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: number one overall recruit from a couple of years ago.

1054
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: Sat out last year after surgery. But I think the

1055
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: pass rush will be really good. They got a couple

1056
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: guys that are gone on in the linebacking corps and

1057
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: in the secondary. But I think they're going to figure

1058
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: it out because the track record sort of speaks for itself,

1059
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: so a lot of words there. I am decidedly mixed

1060
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: on where I feel Miami comes down this year. It

1061
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: is definitively an ACC bangers only schedule. It is at Louisville.

1062
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: It is Florida State, at Clemson, at Virginia Tech, and

1063
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: North Carolina, No Notre Dame. If I'm counting on an

1064
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: eleven game slate, I say anywhere from even in four

1065
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: up to nine and two.

1066
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, wow, I did learn Shack Quarterman. It's finally gone.

1067
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: Holy hell, that dude was so good for so long.

1068
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: Good for the Canes. Yeah, I mean at Clemson is

1069
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 2: never going to be a treat and they follow it

1070
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 2: up with Pitton Virginia whatever your opinions are of them.

1071
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's spaced out pretty well, so I'm good

1072
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: with their schedule. I want to I want to jump

1073
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: over to your side of things here, Dan, Okay, can

1074
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: you tell me what the hell happened to NC State?

1075
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: No? What? Yeah? I kind of can usually a pretty

1076
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: competitive program and last year they just they weren't. Has

1077
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: the pixie dust of being pretty good evaporated in in Raleigh, Like,

1078
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: what what the hell is going on with the wolf

1079
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: Pack man.

1080
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I made an alarming discovery. NC

1081
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 2: State was much in the way Louisville was in the

1082
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: final season of Bobby Patrino. I think they were the

1083
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: worst team against the spread over twenty nineteen, where basically

1084
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 2: Vegas couldn't believe how bad NC State was. They keep

1085
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: they kept giving them reasonable amounts of points, and teams

1086
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 2: just kept shredding them. They finished two to ten against

1087
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 2: the spread in twenty nineteen, so it wasn't quite where

1088
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: I forget if it was like a one and eleven

1089
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: and zero to twelve somewhere along there for Louisville and

1090
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: Petrinos last season, where just you can make money betting

1091
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: against them. Okay, Vegas has always underestimated how bad certain

1092
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 2: teams are, and last year was NC State. They were

1093
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: beat up in a number of places. Quarterback didn't work out,

1094
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: defense certainly didn't work out. They replaced a ton of coaches,

1095
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 2: so obviously there were there were issues within the facility

1096
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 2: in terms of communication, what they wanted to do. It

1097
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 2: just everything like degenerated into a mess. I don't know

1098
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: if that was an Eli Drinkwitz thing where he was

1099
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: somebody who kind of held together that offense in impressive fashion,

1100
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: and when he left to take over at APP State

1101
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: and now of course Maszoo, that things fell apart. My

1102
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: issue with where NC State goes from here is they

1103
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 2: hired a gentleman to run the offense that is generally

1104
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,439
Speaker 2: and recently been fired when offenses haven't worked out. That's

1105
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 2: Tim Beck.

1106
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: Can't lift arm or speak normal. Right. We've talked about

1107
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: the beck Meyer syndrome here correct many times.

1108
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: I just when you are making wholesale changes to reverse

1109
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 2: a slide, I think you got to go with somebody

1110
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 2: who's going to energize your team with recent success and

1111
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 2: an interesting way of doing things. And I'm pretty positive

1112
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: Tim Beck must be a great guy because he just

1113
01:01:55,120 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 2: keeps getting hired for impressive positions. But it does it

1114
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 2: seem like the guy to take your program to a

1115
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:08,439
Speaker 2: new place. And that's what concerns me. I know there's

1116
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 2: a young quarterback there that they feel pretty good about,

1117
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: and there are a couple pieces on defense, but it's

1118
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:18,959
Speaker 2: even hard to point to that. I just think this

1119
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 2: is it's hard to say, beginning of the end for

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01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 2: Dave Dorn. But when we see wholesale collapses. It's very

1121
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: unusual to see. Okay, that was a one year blip

1122
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 2: and we're back to being and this is a normal

1123
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: math year eight and four, nine and three type team. Now,

1124
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 2: maybe they get Bowl eligible again, but it feels like

1125
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 2: we are on the downslope of the Dave Dorn experience

1126
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 2: in Raleigh.

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01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: That's a lot of alliteration there. But was it downside

1128
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: of Dave Dorian? Yeah, oh, okay, I didn't even realize

1129
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: it the downslope, So.

1130
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 2: It's it was a snake bit year. So I'm willing

1131
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: to believe in some sort of reversal, But I am

1132
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: not a I'm not a Tim Beck believer in terms

1133
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: of getting a team back to a respectable bowl with

1134
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 2: their offense and not having the talent of a you know,

1135
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: Ohio State or Texas to to bail you out of situations.

1136
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: Let me let me stay in the great state of

1137
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: North Carolina here and ask about another team. Okay, Wake Forest,

1138
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: So let's talk wake You know, Dave Clawson has I

1139
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: think rightfully earned the respect of many around the world

1140
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: of college football because he's done a pretty good job

1141
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: at Wake Forest. He's taken them to four straight bowl games.

1142
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: The program is definitely more consistent than it was before

1143
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: he got there. He's been really good at developing talent,

1144
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: apparently also writing up potential plans for a spring season

1145
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: before ye before you know, the ACC decided it was

1146
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: going to forge ahead here in the fall.

1147
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:57,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, he and Jeff Brohm.

1148
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 1: Is there a reason to believe that this year is

1149
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: going to be any different, like noticeably better or worse

1150
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: this fall? Because I'm looking at this roster, I'm seeing

1151
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: a complete rebuild on offense. I'm thinking there has to

1152
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: be a step back. They obviously lose Jamie Newman, who's

1153
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: transferring out and presumed to be the starter at Georgia,

1154
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: Like where's Clawson at now? As we get into the

1155
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: weird twenty twenty season before.

1156
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 2: Us Yeah, not to mention Sage Surrat, the All American

1157
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 2: receiver who was so so good before he got hurt

1158
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: last year. He opts out and is deciding not to

1159
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 2: play this season as he recovers from injury and prepares

1160
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: for the NFL. I like Wake Forest. So they return

1161
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 2: a bunch on defense that's highlighted by one of my

1162
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: absolute favorite names in college football, and Boogie Basham Carlos

1163
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 2: Sashim but Boogie Basham for those who know, fantastic ed rusher,

1164
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 2: just really really strong. And they lost a couple of

1165
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 2: key players on defense that where rotation guys are started.

1166
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 2: Who's the other end opposite him? It was Kid carn

1167
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 2: But offensively, I like Donovan Green a lot. He came in.

1168
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 2: He was a four star receiver and he played a

1169
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: few games at the end of last year and definitely

1170
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 2: just look like a game breaking type receiver. They're fortunate

1171
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 2: that Sam Hartman, who was hurt, he is back. Even

1172
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 2: with the loss of Jamie Newman, Sam Hartman steps back

1173
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: into the starting quarterback role. I think they're gonna be fine.

1174
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be appreciably better or

1175
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 2: worse because they've reached the point where they identify pretty

1176
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 2: good players at most positions. They're soundly coached. I mean, essentially,

1177
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: what we're talking about is Dave Clawson gets his tires rotated,

1178
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 2: he gets his oil changed, he puts air in his tires,

1179
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 2: he vacuums his car. He's not gonna have the fastest

1180
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: automobile in the world, but it's dependable tie it's not

1181
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 2: going to break down. And with where wake has been

1182
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 2: pre Clawson. The fact that you have a coach who's

1183
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 2: gonna get his tires rotated and his oil changed, it's

1184
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: pretty great. It's boring, and that's sort of what I

1185
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: talked about with Florida State, where the Willie era infuse

1186
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 2: the program with excitement and they're back and it's the

1187
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 2: old Florida State whatever. Wake Forest is just they're getting

1188
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 2: off the field on third down.

1189
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: Ty, that's pretty good.

1190
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 2: It's they're not great in the red zone, but they're

1191
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 2: doing little things consistently well. That if your program We've

1192
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 2: talked about this with Utah, but I think Utah is

1193
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 2: a better program and a better team than wake Forest.

1194
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 2: If your program is deficient in one to three ways,

1195
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 2: there's a pretty good chance wake Forest is going to

1196
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 2: beat you. And that's amazing. It's amazing to have in

1197
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: Winston Salem. So no, I don't think it's gonna be

1198
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 2: all that different, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

1199
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Speaker 1: I would point out that wake Forest opens up its

1200
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: season at home. Yeah, that's good. Clempson Tigers dan Ah.

1201
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: That is one pm on September the twelfth, so not

1202
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: Labor Day weekend, but the weekend after Currently Clemson is

1203
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: checking in with a thirty one and a half point

1204
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: line here on the road. It's a lot of points.

1205
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 2: You'll have to listen next week as we preview that game,

1206
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:05,439
Speaker 2: or whenever we preview that game.

1207
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: That's right. I'm already looking at some picks here that

1208
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: I kind of like, but we'll get to that. We

1209
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: won't have as many games of preview next week. It's okay,

1210
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: you could probably get through all of them.

1211
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 2: Where do you want to go next?

1212
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: So you tell me, ty, I want to go back

1213
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: to the great state of North Carolina, and I want

1214
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: to talk about Duke and I want to talk about

1215
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: North Carolina.

1216
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 2: Okay, North Carolina to me, I don't know. Just tell

1217
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: me about their rotation linebackers real quick. Just run through

1218
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 2: when to expect substitutions.

1219
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: I know. I mean, if you want to talk about

1220
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: Chaz Surrat, you already know that I went through the

1221
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: universal Charlie to Chaz conversion here. But he's chuckles.

1222
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 2: You gotta remember that, you two. Mac Brown, I think

1223
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 2: he definitely out shown my expectations. And Sam Howell, I

1224
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: mean immediately was really fun and ended the season. Really,

1225
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 2: I think it was what Temple that North Carolina shredded

1226
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 2: in the bowl game. So what is Yr two? What's reasonable?

1227
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: What are stretch goals? Tie?

1228
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a corporate term stretch goal for the Heel.

1229
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 2: Give me some stretch goals and some realistic ones.

1230
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean seven and six in Mac Brown's second

1231
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 1: first year in Chapel Hill with a big bull win

1232
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: over Temple. They didn't just exceed expectations, they cleared the

1233
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: bar by about eight feet. So this was a very

1234
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: successful opening or second opening stanza for Mac Brown coming

1235
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: back home to North Carolina. You know. So because of that,

1236
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 1: the concept of what's realistic and what's not realistic, all

1237
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: that kind of goes out the window here. The truth

1238
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: is there are four big games on the schedule, Virginia

1239
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: Tech at Florida State, home against Notre Dame, and on

1240
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: the road at Miami. Is it possible that they win

1241
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: all four of those? I don't know. I would say

1242
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: probably not, But this is a good team with a

1243
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: lot coming back. If they win all four, they're going

1244
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: ten and zer and they're playing Clemson for the ACC

1245
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 1: title game. Yeah. Again, likely, I don't know, but a possibility.

1246
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: Shore I could envision a world of which that is possible,

1247
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:19,879
Speaker 1: Sam Howe.

1248
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 2: Did you just hear my son by the way, I did. Okay, good,

1249
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:23,719
Speaker 2: leave that in there.

1250
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: I will. Yeah.

1251
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 2: Now he has a lot of North Carolina thoughts, but

1252
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 2: he's too young.

1253
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: Sam Howe was a true freshman and had an unbelievable

1254
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: breakout campaign through for thirty eight touchdowns and thirty six

1255
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:40,799
Speaker 1: hundred yards. Basically, everybody is back eighty seven percent returning

1256
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: production on this offense, including their one thousand yard back

1257
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 1: Michael Carter, two one thousand yard receivers in Daz Newsome

1258
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: and Diami Brown. If there is a better named wide

1259
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: receiver duo in college football, I'd love to hear it. Okay,

1260
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: the entire receiver room is back, not just the those

1261
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: two guys. That is all in addition to five of

1262
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 1: their seven guys on the O line coming back as well.

1263
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: This is the twenty fifth best offense a year ago.

1264
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: By default, just with the very nature of the talent

1265
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: coming back. It has to get better. And that's not

1266
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: just because there are fewer teams this fall, but it

1267
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: has to improve I think by default because of that

1268
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: experience factor.

1269
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 2: So I'm excited, Okay, I mean, they've recruited really well

1270
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,759
Speaker 2: they have me background has done an exceptional job recruiting

1271
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 2: what they just pulled off the number one corner the

1272
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 2: country for an upcoming class.

1273
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: Tony Grimes, Yeah, Tony.

1274
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 2: Grimes, that's right. So they're going to keep improving. There's

1275
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 2: still some spillover, certainly from the Fedora era when things

1276
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 2: got a little bit ugly on defense, but they were

1277
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 2: still competitive at the end there by the way you

1278
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 2: were mentioning the offense and the improvement and the explosive

1279
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 2: factor of their offense. Can I ask you a question

1280
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,560
Speaker 2: that's going to that might take you off guard a

1281
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 2: little bit.

1282
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: But that's pretty much your role on this shit is it.

1283
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 2: Does Phil Longo, their offensive coordinator, does he follow you

1284
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 2: on Twitter?

1285
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't know? Okay, does he follow you? Would know?

1286
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 2: Well, I have no idea he did. I don't know

1287
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,759
Speaker 2: if he still does. But the reason I'm questioning it

1288
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 2: is because if he follows you, and if you work

1289
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 2: in some fashion in college football, he will DM you.

1290
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 2: And and it's not weird or personal or anything like that.

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01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 2: It's he just shares excitement about North Carolina football and

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01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 2: shares social media graphics. Okay, And so I'll be sitting

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01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 2: on Twitter one, you know, a random afternoon follow you July.

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01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 2: At least at some point he did. I can check

1295
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 2: and see if he still does. I don't think he does,

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01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: because I haven't gotten dms from him anymore. But I'll

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01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 2: get a DM and it's and it's basically, this is

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01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 2: what it looks like to my eyes or what it

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01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 2: sounds like to my eyes. Oh yeah, North Carolina Football

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01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 2: fourteen days away, old brother, feel it a little macho man,

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01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 2: Randy Savage there.

1302
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: Didn't know if the little goes into that, But I

1303
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: love I.

1304
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 2: Just he's marketing.

1305
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 1: I like it a lot.

1306
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 2: But it's really funny to get a DM that's like,

1307
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, brother, it's North Carolina tarial football.

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01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: Can you believe it's He's a good offensive coordinator? Man?

1309
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: He is, he really is. He's got the air raid background.

1310
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 1: But I think I think in year two what will

1311
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: be an interesting little wrinkle to follow is him working

1312
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: in all sorts of other stuff with the depth that

1313
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: he has across the board. Like, just because he's got

1314
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: the air raid background doesn't mean he necessarily is gonna

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01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: run all air raid. He's kind of good at varying

1316
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: that approach and using the personnel, and he's got it

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01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: this year, frankly, so I'm excited about that. Defensively, this

1318
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: is a team led by our boy, Chas Serrat, converted

1319
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: quarterback led the team in tackles in his first year

1320
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 1: as a defender in his first year. Can you believe it?

1321
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 2: I'm ready. Yeah, I just he's so good.

1322
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: I love this.

1323
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's the Joel Lanning. We need converted

1324
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 2: quarterbacks to linebacker every season.

1325
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: If we are.

1326
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 2: Not mentioning a quarterback converted to linebacker, please alert us

1327
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 2: to this, because we honor each and every one of them.

1328
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: The real question on defense is up front. I like

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01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 1: Jay Bateman, but he runs a three man front. They're

1330
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 1: losing two good ones. He's going to need some youth

1331
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 1: to step up and plug that gap. So the question

1332
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: for me is upfront. I think you could probably run

1333
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: on UNC this year. But to answer your question, it's

1334
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: it's hard to say what is realistic in year two. Again,

1335
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: I could invent a weird reality in a very weird

1336
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: year where UNC manages to go ten and zero and

1337
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: play Clemson for the title. I don't think that's likely,

1338
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 1: but I do think North Carolina playing Clemson for the title.

1339
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, Phil Longo, thank you, thank you. I'm excited

1340
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: about you and see, though not excited for Notre Dame

1341
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: to play un see, I do you in chap Lell

1342
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: but yaw.

1343
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 2: Sam Howell is one of the very most exciting parts

1344
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 2: of college football moving forward. For sure's every reason if

1345
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 2: you have a young, exciting quarterback, life is amazing. Here

1346
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 2: what the final record ends up as being, there's only

1347
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 2: fourteen teams that can say that or whatever the number is.

1348
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,799
Speaker 2: So North Carolina, let's watch.

1349
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: Them, Let's watch so. I think they are headed in

1350
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: the right direction. I do worry about their rival Duke though, Okay,

1351
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: tell me why I do. I do worry A really

1352
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 1: bad second half of the year last year, five and

1353
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: seven I think was the record. I think we'll know

1354
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: more after the season if.

1355
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 2: We lost I think five of their final six.

1356
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a good A very very poor way to

1357
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: close out the year. And it's I think you look

1358
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: at the at the team, you look at the program,

1359
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 1: you wonder which direction are things going? I think we

1360
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: got a wait to hear here. You know. Cutcliffe, David

1361
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: Cutcliffe has gone to a Bowl six of the last

1362
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: eight seasons. He's obviously done a good job raising the

1363
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: profile of Duke football. It does feel a little bit though,

1364
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 1: like the peak of the mountain for them came back

1365
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen when they won the Coastal Division. So

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01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm a great here.

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01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 2: Okay, So let's take a quick look. And I don't

1368
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 2: think you're necessarily wrong. They either lost big or tiny,

1369
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 2: and they didn't lose medium. In twenty nineteen. They lost

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01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 2: by nearly forty to Alabama. They lost by three to

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01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 2: pit No, not a huge shame in that, in a

1372
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 2: very strange game. They lost by a bunch too. Division

1373
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 2: champ Virginia. Okay, not amazing. This wasn't a killer Virginia team,

1374
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 2: But that's fine. This was not a bad Virginia team.

1375
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: They lost by a field goal at North Carolina. That's respectable.

1376
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 2: They held down the North Carolina offense, got shelled by

1377
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. They got shelled by QS. That's when I'm like, Eh,

1378
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 2: that shouldn't that shouldn't happen twenty nineteen anyway, and they

1379
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 2: lost by twelve, which I guess is medium, to Wake Forest.

1380
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 2: But there's no real shame in that. And you talk

1381
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 2: about their disastrous into their season the downslope. David Cutcliffe

1382
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 2: alliteration that disaster of a twenty nineteen was still ten

1383
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 2: points better than Miami, still ten points better than back

1384
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 2: half of.

1385
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: The season Miami.

1386
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 2: To give you any indication of where the Canes were

1387
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 2: in November, yeah, I you.

1388
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 1: Know, that's all. It'll be interesting. Chase Bryce comes over

1389
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: from Clemson. You may remember that name. Deon Jackson is

1390
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 1: back at running back along with Britton Brown, who comes

1391
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: over from UCLA. May recall his name from Westwood. Three

1392
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: linemen are back, Devery Hamilton comes over from Stanford. Pretty

1393
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: much all the receivers are back. So the offense I

1394
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: think should step forward. It's a question of how much.

1395
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: Last year. I don't think there's much room a step

1396
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 1: back time. No, well, right, that's the point. Last year

1397
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: one hundredth in points per play, one twenty five in

1398
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: yards per place. So they have to get better. Their

1399
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: passing and rushing numbers were just dreadful. I know it

1400
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 1: may take some time to break in a new quarterback,

1401
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: but there's just there's enough back that if there isn't

1402
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:22,520
Speaker 1: a jump forward, then it's a deeper problem than personnel.

1403
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 1: Excuse me. Then we'll have the answer to this question

1404
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: of which direction is a program headed. Interestingly enough for Duke.

1405
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 2: Is Daniel Jones good in the NFL? By the way

1406
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:33,719
Speaker 2: I think track?

1407
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: I think I think second half of the year last year,

1408
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: Danny dim he's dying like he's a top twenty four

1409
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback for sure. Okay, that's good for sure. The

1410
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: interesting bit about Duke is that the defense should lead

1411
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: the charge. I saw a quote that they're looking to

1412
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: run an aggressive attacking defense, which, of.

1413
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 2: Course, yeah, well it was a pretty good The defense

1414
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:01,679
Speaker 2: last year was not the issue.

1415
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was They're gonna blitz the crap out of you.

1416
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: They're gonna play tight, They're gonna hope you make a mistake.

1417
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: There is a risk reward element to that, and I'd

1418
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: refer you to the latter half of last season if

1419
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 1: you want to take a look at the risks. But

1420
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: the defense should be pretty solid. There's a lot back

1421
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: secondaries loaded. They are currently listed as a nineteen and

1422
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: a half point dog on the road at Notre Dame

1423
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: September the twelfth.

1424
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 2: Just FYI, how do you feel about that?

1425
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good about Notre Dame. Okay, pretty good. Yeah,

1426
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 1: I hope for Duke's sake.

1427
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 2: I mean, whenever you watch David Cutcliffe in one of

1428
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 2: those coaches Room broadcast at the National Championship of the playoff,

1429
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 2: he always comes across as very impressive. All of his

1430
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 2: peers seem to love him, all of his former quarterbacks

1431
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 2: seem to love him. It'd be nice if Duke were

1432
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 2: able to be more competitive and say, Okay, they're not

1433
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 2: nearly as talented as Team X, Y or Z, but

1434
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 2: they're scheming guys open, they're running interesting looks, and they

1435
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 2: just keep moving the ball down the field. It'd be

1436
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 2: nice to have that Duke again like they like they

1437
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 2: were able to manage a few years ago.

1438
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: So I believe we each have two teams left. And

1439
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: let me start with Boston College for you. Okay, they

1440
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: bring over Jeff Haffley, who did a good job at

1441
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: Ohio State. What is what is the most how do

1442
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,759
Speaker 1: I want to phrase this? What what is the most

1443
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: like notable improvement or what's what's the biggest point of optimism.

1444
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 1: Let's say in year one of the Halfley era, as

1445
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: he comes over.

1446
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 2: Frank Signetti turned Bill Stull into a stud very briefly

1447
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 2: in Western PA that may or may not have something

1448
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 2: to do with having Deon Lewis. Yeah, two thousand and nine,

1449
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 2: going from Pep down into the Well. It was the

1450
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:57,719
Speaker 2: young Dan and Tye entered year two of the Solid

1451
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:03,799
Speaker 2: Verbal podcast. Jonathan Ball was a matchup Nightmare Sea Crap.

1452
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 2: So the point of optimism is Jeff Hafley is another

1453
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:12,959
Speaker 2: one of those types who seems to be universally beloved

1454
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 2: in terms of his intelligence, his personality, his effects on players.

1455
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 2: He saw what he did with the Ohio State defense

1456
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 2: last year and certainly had more to work with with

1457
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 2: Ohio State's roster than Boston colleges. But I saw a

1458
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,759
Speaker 2: lot of people seem to like his hires, that there's

1459
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 2: a good mix of steadier, veteran type assistance and younger,

1460
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 2: up and coming guys. I think his defense will largely

1461
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 2: be okay, even though Boston College weirdly enough. I mean,

1462
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 2: they lose what aj Dillon from the offensive side of

1463
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 2: the ball, but on defense is where they kind of

1464
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 2: ended up as a nightmare, and Jeff Hafley I think

1465
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 2: will get things organized. I know he's the head coach now,

1466
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 2: he's not the defensive coordinator, but I think his defensive

1467
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 2: background will help to diagnose issues from last year. Die

1468
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 2: knows where they need to recruit better. I don't think,

1469
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 2: I mean a team like Boston College should not be

1470
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 2: evaluated on what they do with this very strange condensed

1471
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 2: schedule with you know, not having proper time to warm

1472
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 2: up and camp is different to no non conference in

1473
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 2: the way that teams are used to in Power five conferences.

1474
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 2: So I am optimistic that the smart minds Jeff Hafley

1475
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,799
Speaker 2: has brought in. You know, a couple of interesting receivers

1476
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 2: are back, and I think they're gonna be fine. I

1477
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: think it's going to be an adjustment year. So my optimism,

1478
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 2: you know, with anything beyond three and seven or something

1479
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 2: for Boston College isn't really there. But I think there's

1480
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 2: gonna be nuggets. I think there will be nuggets where

1481
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 2: they're going to threaten teams. They were competitive last year,

1482
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 2: you know, even as they lost games, I think what

1483
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 2: they had they battled it out with Florida State, they

1484
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 2: battled it out and beat pitt on the road, and

1485
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 2: you know, they got shellacked by Clemson, but that's fine.

1486
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: They beat a couple of teams they should have, like

1487
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 2: NC State and Rutgers. They'll be fine. I think it

1488
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 2: was what Anthony Brown had a really nice game against

1489
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech and he's gone to Oregon, which I don't

1490
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 2: know what that means moving forward, but it's going to

1491
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 2: take some time. It's going to take some time. But

1492
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 2: I think my optimism lies and the ability for Jeff

1493
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 2: Hafley to get the infrastructure right in Chestnut Hill and

1494
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 2: move this team back to eventually a five hundred type team,

1495
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 2: and then, you know, in a normal universe, maybe like

1496
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:31,640
Speaker 2: an eight and four type year, if everything clicks and

1497
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 2: he recruits a really interesting quarterback and the defense gets

1498
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 2: back to where it was, you know in the past

1499
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 2: few years before twenty nineteen.

1500
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, a lot of young guys played last year.

1501
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: It seems like he could come in and make a mark.

1502
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 1: And offensively, I don't think they're going to be led

1503
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: by offense per se. But it's a good line. They've got,

1504
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,759
Speaker 1: I think, a decent running back room, good wide outs,

1505
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: so it's not like the cupboard is bear here. He's

1506
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 1: going to have, I think, a lot to work with.

1507
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 2: And they put so much aj Dillon, which I understand,

1508
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 2: but it'll be nice to spread it around a little

1509
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 2: bit more hopefully all.

1510
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: Right, and let me close out I guess your Atlantic

1511
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: coverage by asking about the Syracuse Orange. Now, if they're

1512
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 1: going to bounce back to where they were in that

1513
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: enchanted twenty eighteen season short of the egg that they

1514
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 1: you know, laid in Yankee Stadium, right, what is going

1515
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: to get him there? What will be the driving force

1516
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: behind that?

1517
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a new defense. So they switched with

1518
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,759
Speaker 2: three three five. By the way, they hired a defensive

1519
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,679
Speaker 2: coordinator with San Diego State experience in that three three five.

1520
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 2: He then took the I think his name is Zach

1521
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 2: Arnette took the Mississippi State job, and they said, oh no,

1522
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 2: we still want a San Diego State guy, and they

1523
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 2: hired I think it was ASU's Tony whiteback's coach. Tony

1524
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 2: White was previously at San Diego State. They need that

1525
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 2: as tech blood in the Carrier Dome. It's probably going

1526
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 2: to be the defense it is. You mean, we talked

1527
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 2: about quarterbacks and the depth of at least decent quarterbacks

1528
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 2: in the conference. I don't know how quickly they can

1529
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:11,679
Speaker 2: come together with you know, switching defensive schemes and losing

1530
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 2: what they did on defense, especially up front.

1531
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's my question, you know, the whole.

1532
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:19,719
Speaker 2: And not having a real fall camp.

1533
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 1: The whole purpose of this defense is to try and

1534
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 1: utilize more speed, and I like that for Syracuse. I

1535
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 1: think that's a good move for Dino Babers. It's just

1536
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: not the easiest defense to put in place, and it's

1537
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: going to take a little bit of time to click.

1538
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 1: How quickly it clicks is is I think very operative here.

1539
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 1: So I don't. I don't know. I like it longer term,

1540
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: but in a weird year where there's less time to

1541
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: prepare and it's harder to prepare and install new schemes,

1542
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: I just I wonder, I really do.

1543
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think they've got a problem problem.

1544
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 2: Like we've mentioned before, I think Tommy DeVito might be okay,

1545
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,600
Speaker 2: but from what we we saw Eric Dungee another do

1546
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:05,560
Speaker 2: everything type. There's a reason he had to do everything

1547
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 2: because he was not consistently surrounded by huge threats. There

1548
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 2: were guys here and there, games here and there, But

1549
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. The offensive line was an issue last year,

1550
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 2: so you can point to that there are guys. They've

1551
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 2: retained guys, But when you don't have obvious okay, this

1552
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 2: guy's back and he is going to be an issue

1553
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 2: for acc secondary so he's be an issue for fronts

1554
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 2: trying to tackle him in the running game.

1555
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: Whatever.

1556
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 2: That's a problem. And when you mix that with the attrition,

1557
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 2: the natural attrition, and the changes on defense, it just

1558
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,880
Speaker 2: feels like a recipe for twenty twenty one.

1559
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:54,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that's all. We've got three teams left,

1560
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: all right on the coastal side. I want to start

1561
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 1: with your pit Panthers. I know you have questions about

1562
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: the Pitt Panthers. Dan give me one of them or

1563
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: that's pot of care. I did a lot of research on.

1564
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 2: Pitt on Pitt. I didn't love the Mark Whipple higher.

1565
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 2: I had never really seen anything interesting for Mark Whipple

1566
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 2: offenses that that might just be a me thing. Can

1567
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 2: can they sprinkle a little bit of contribution dust into

1568
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 2: the air to help out this defense or are we

1569
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 2: talking about, well they better win thirteen to ten type

1570
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 2: year for the Panthers.

1571
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: I've been I've been workshopping some sort of like cool

1572
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: Whipple thing, but you have not earned that ty No.

1573
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard when your offense is one O

1574
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 1: nine in the sp plus. They need Bill Stoll. It's hard,

1575
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: it's This was an epic half team last year. One

1576
01:26:56,439 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: nine in offense according to the sp plus twelve on

1577
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:06,600
Speaker 1: the defensive side, led very much by defense. Still a

1578
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: seven to five regular season. This is a team that

1579
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 1: gave up only seventeen to Penn State sixteen to Miami.

1580
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: They lost both those games, but look, with just a

1581
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: marginally better offense, they could have been a nine to

1582
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 1: three team in the regular season, which is crazy. So

1583
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: the question is what happened? What happened to this offense? Well,

1584
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 1: keep in mind that they were shifting from more of

1585
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 1: a run heavy system to a pass heavy system. Like

1586
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 1: Mark Whipple likes to run. Sometimes you have the horses, Dan,

1587
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't. Sometimes it takes a while to click, and.

1588
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 2: I think that's a greeting card. Sometimes I know horses.

1589
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,440
Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't. Mock condolence.

1590
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: That was the story of Pitt's offensive transition last year.

1591
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 1: It has to get better this year, it has to

1592
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: get There's enough of a returning cast here to make

1593
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: me confident that it has to get better. Will it

1594
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,600
Speaker 1: be fixed? You know his fixes in the eye of

1595
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: the beholder, right, Yeah, But they've got some veteran leadership

1596
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: out wide with Taser mac aj and Vincent Davis are

1597
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 1: in the backfield, and potentially some production from their freshmen

1598
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 1: Israel Abana Kanda, which is a great name, pretty good,

1599
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 1: good job. The line should be okay, and Kenny Pickett

1600
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: is back for year eighteen. Who knew. I think their

1601
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: offense has got to get better. It just has to.

1602
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 1: My only question on defense is the linebacker position. Otherwise,

1603
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: this is one of the best defenses in the nation.

1604
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:43,759
Speaker 1: Really strong defense.

1605
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 2: It really is.

1606
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 1: Really good secondary. They're gonna be led by defense. This

1607
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 1: is what folks were waiting for with Paton Ardoozy to

1608
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 1: build this defense up. He's gonna have it this year.

1609
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 1: The defense is gonna keep him in games. They just

1610
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: need the offense to I think share some of that burn.

1611
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: From a scheduling standpoint, here's what I think we're looking at.

1612
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 1: We've got two pots of games. We've got the tougher

1613
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 1: games against Louisville and on the road at Miami Notre Dame,

1614
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:15,639
Speaker 1: on the road at Florida State, Virginia Tech at Clemson.

1615
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,480
Speaker 1: Six games there, they're very tough. And then the flip side,

1616
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 1: we've got games against Syracuse, NC State, Boston College and

1617
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. Then there's a non con game that I

1618
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:30,679
Speaker 1: didn't list here, But let's say this. Pitt's gonna lose

1619
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 1: one of those dumb ones, aren't they. Of course, they're

1620
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: gonna lose a dumb one, and they're probably gonna go

1621
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: something like two and four, three and three against the

1622
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 1: tougher part of their schedule, and that's gonna make them

1623
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 1: six and five, seven and four.

1624
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:48,640
Speaker 2: They have America's team, Austin.

1625
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 1: P Austin, pH We saw lose to Central Arkansas. Correct,

1626
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 1: So you know, I think this is gonna be a

1627
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: pit team. It's very good on defense, they have to

1628
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 1: improve on offense. They're still gonna lose that game that

1629
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 1: they lose every year. They're still going to knock off

1630
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: somebody that they shouldn't and they're going to go six

1631
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:09,440
Speaker 1: and five or seven and four wearing the hottest uniforms

1632
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: city forums for sure. I love them, love them. Yeah,

1633
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: that's where a mountain pit. Okay, let's move forward. Let's

1634
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 1: move forward. We've got Virginia and Georgia Tech left where

1635
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: you want to go?

1636
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 2: Weirdly, Georgia Tech is more interesting to me. Yes, I agree,

1637
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 2: even though Virginia had a really nice season, and I

1638
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 2: was actually surrounded by Virginia fans down in South Florida

1639
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 2: in late December ahead of the Orange Bowl. But so

1640
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 2: everybody going into last year felt, Okay, Jeff Collins, this

1641
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 2: is a year zero situation. They had such a specific

1642
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,679
Speaker 2: offensive scheme. He is switching things up and this year

1643
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 2: is just a transition year. This is just it's not

1644
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 2: a time for stretch goals.

1645
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 1: Ty No.

1646
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 2: Year two, after a pretty impressive recruiting class. By the way,

1647
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 2: is also strange for Georgia Tech. Given everything surrounding Georgia Tech. Sure,

1648
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 2: what to you if everything is reasonable and healthy and

1649
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:10,759
Speaker 2: everything like that for Georgia Tech, what is an interesting

1650
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 2: reason to watch Georgia Tech in terms of more clarity

1651
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 2: than what they wanted?

1652
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: No, that's a good way to put it. Three and nine.

1653
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: Last year they did beat Miami, but who didn't.

1654
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 2: But what a stranch year.

1655
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 1: Year two is when you start to see the sun

1656
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: peek out from behind the clouds. Okay, I think a

1657
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 1: lot of Tech fans knew what they were in for

1658
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 1: a year ago. The theme for Tech this year is

1659
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: returning production seventy four percent on offense, ninety four percent

1660
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: on defense last year. The coach has played a lot

1661
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 1: of young guys. They moved them around. They were trying

1662
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 1: to plug gaps just seeing who could play where. This

1663
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:52,479
Speaker 1: is at the same time that they were obviously moving

1664
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 1: away from the flexbone. So the passing offense was predictably terrible. Again,

1665
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 1: none of this was unexpected. Paul Johnson ran the ball

1666
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: eighty six percent of the time. Last year Tech only

1667
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 1: ran at thirty eight percent of the time, so a

1668
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 1: pretty big swing about fifty percent in the other direction.

1669
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 1: The other theme that I think is going to become

1670
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 1: a trend here is recruiting. And you alluded to it

1671
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 1: in the question. Yeah.

1672
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you're recruiting to a big city in the South.

1673
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 2: It's a good place to be, even though it's a

1674
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 2: private school in a little bit of a different situation

1675
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 2: than some other Southeastern powers.

1676
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 1: And Jeff Collins is selling it hard. He is selling

1677
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: Atlanta hard, great city, He's from Atlanta. He's selling it

1678
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: as a destination, which I think is really smart. The

1679
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 1: early returns were there twenty sixth best recruiting class in

1680
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 1: the nation at the end of last cycle. He is

1681
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: going to build something down there. And I think we're

1682
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 1: going to see some of those freshmen step up and

1683
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 1: be part of the movement. And if you're a Tech fan,

1684
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 1: great things to come. They're starting there, they're stripping this

1685
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 1: thing down to the studs starting over, and Jeff Collins

1686
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 1: is a guy who's got a lot of passion not

1687
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 1: just for college football, but for the area. He knows

1688
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 1: how to recruit that area. And I'm excited about that. Now,

1689
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, again you have to temper that excitement with

1690
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 1: what I think are realistic expectations. They are still going

1691
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 1: through this transition. James Graham came in. He was the

1692
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:23,600
Speaker 1: quarterback who won the job last season. But Jeff Simms,

1693
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 1: he's a four star. He could get some looks. All

1694
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 1: the receivers are back, yeah, Jalen Camp and also they

1695
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: got Marquez Ezard, who you might remember from Miami. He

1696
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 1: was a prize recruit down there. So you know, it's

1697
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: going to continue to be this transition type thing for

1698
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech. But it's not going to be short on optimism.

1699
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: I think he's going to have the team playing very hard.

1700
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 1: The schedule's brutal. It is, it's brutally. They went three

1701
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 1: and nine a year ago. Don't be surprised that they

1702
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 1: go two and nine this year. Their non con game

1703
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:59,719
Speaker 1: is against UCF, which is different now given the news,

1704
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 1: but I still think you Stf's going to beat them

1705
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: there on the road at FSU. They've got Louisville, Clemson,

1706
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, pitt in a road game against Miami, So

1707
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 1: it's their works cut out for them here. It's still

1708
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 1: still part of this transition, but I think we're going

1709
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 1: to see more signs to be enthusiastic about moving forward

1710
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: in year two. And I'm excited about Georgia Tech.

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Speaker 2: Games were a blast to watch last year and read

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Speaker 2: about last year because it was like, all right, this

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Speaker 2: linebacker is usually a midfielder for the soccer team, this

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Speaker 2: quarterback curler from Norway. They just needed to fill it

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Speaker 2: with somebody. Yeah, And so as they populate players in

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Speaker 2: offenses and defenses with guys who should be playing in

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Speaker 2: certain places, I imagine Georgia Tech is just going to.

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Speaker 1: Get full on, better, full on better, one more team here.

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Speaker 1: On the Marathon preview of America's Conference of.

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Speaker 2: Champions Austin, p Now Virginia, I said that I compared

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Speaker 2: Bryce Perkins to Wally Zerbiak, which is a very stupid

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01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:07,640
Speaker 2: and silly reference, but it's accurate because he had to

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Speaker 2: do everything in the same way Wally Zerbiak had to

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Speaker 2: do everything as a college basketball player.

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Speaker 1: Are there is there?

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Speaker 2: We're I guess we're big on optimism now right. We're

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Speaker 2: always talking about teams and like, how what can they

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01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 2: need to get better? We want we're rooting for you.

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Speaker 1: There's enough going wrong in the world. Let's let's look

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Speaker 1: that's here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, walk me through the post Bryce Perkins whole situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just walk me through.

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Speaker 2: Just let's take a stroll through the streets of Charlottesville.

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Speaker 2: Let's grab an enchilada the Continental Divide and tell me

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Speaker 2: what just a a post Perkins world looks like.

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Speaker 1: And let's grab a libation and toast friend of the

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Speaker 1: show Bronkleman and haul while we're there. Could we that's true?

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Speaker 1: This is a nine Daniel Beats enthusiast, A nine win

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01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 1: team last year played for the conference championship. They were

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01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:04,559
Speaker 1: predictably killed by Clemson, and they didn't play a great

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01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,719
Speaker 1: game in the Orange Bowl either against Florida. But whatever,

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Speaker 1: they have gotten better. Each of Bronco's four seasons in Charlottesville,

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01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 1: and now we're at this moment where I think we

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01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:17,640
Speaker 1: find out how good he really is. They lose some

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01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: headliners from a year ago, including Bryce Perkins, but they

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01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 1: actually return most of their team, which is low key

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01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 1: something to be pumped about, and I think that will

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01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 1: offset any kind of major regression. Still probably a step

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01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 1: back year, okay, but there's enough coming back this year

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01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 1: that it should it should temper it a little bit.

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01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,679
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of the theme here as

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01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 1: we look at at Virginia headlining losses but still reason

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01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: for optimism. Bryce Perkins owns a school record for offensive yardage,

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01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 1: so his graduation, that's going to get the headlines. But

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01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 1: the new starter, Brendan Armstrong Broncos, comparing him to Taysom Hill,

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01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 1: who is really going to BYU even better in the pros. Yeah, so,

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01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, bad thing, but a good thing to kind

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01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 1: of offset it. Another one offensive line entirely back from

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01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:15,160
Speaker 1: a year ago. Okay, not bad, but receivers are gone.

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Speaker 1: But receivers are gone, but all the running backs are back,

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Speaker 1: so there's a kiis sure. Yeah. So there's just a

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Speaker 1: lot of it offsets, I think, and the same deal

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Speaker 1: on defense really. Bryce Hall's gone from the secondary, but

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01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:31,480
Speaker 1: everyone else is back. Jordan Mack has gone at linebacker,

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01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:35,839
Speaker 1: but everyone else is back. They were killed by injuries

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01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 1: in the back half of last season, but all the

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Speaker 1: younger guys got time, which should help him this season.

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Speaker 1: So you know, what's the what's the next chapter look like?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Does the offense take a step back? Probably,

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Speaker 1: But I just think it's worth mentioning that this offense

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01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 1: has been extremely adaptable since Bronco got there. He's very

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01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 1: good at playing to his strengths. He doesn't lock in

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01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 1: on any particular scheme. He just kind of goes with

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Speaker 1: what works. I think they'll be more run heavy this year.

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01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna try and use Burnan Armstrong's versatility. Defensively,

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01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 1: Bryce Perkins wasn't going both ways last year, so defensively

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Speaker 1: they'll be fine. I like Virginia more than I think most.

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01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 1: I think they'll be okay. A step back is coming.

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01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 1: The schedules not doing them any favors at all. First

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Speaker 1: two games on the road at Tech at Clemson. They're

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01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:29,720
Speaker 1: also at Miami. They've got a game against You and

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Speaker 1: C and Louisville and all those games are back to

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Speaker 1: back later in the year.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that the middle chunk of their year it's brutal,

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01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:40,640
Speaker 2: is rough with Clemson and Wake on the road. We

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01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 2: got Wake and Miami on the road North Carolina following

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01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:48,679
Speaker 2: that right before Louisville's that stretch October and into early November.

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Speaker 2: That's tough.

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Speaker 1: The depth is not there yet, but it is getting

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01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,639
Speaker 1: there with each recruiting cycle. It is a slow burn

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01:38:56,560 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 1: at Virginia. H I do expect the step back. I

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Speaker 1: just don't think it's going to be as much regression

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Speaker 1: as I've seen many predict.

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Speaker 2: I should correct myself A Lama Dai Zachias was two

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01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:11,000
Speaker 2: years ago because my internal clock time.

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Speaker 1: But always in our hearts now where it used.

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01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 2: To be, always in our hearts for sure. Last year

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Speaker 2: was a Joe red here. I like Virginia. I think

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Speaker 2: they've gotten to it. They're secretly getting to a really

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01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:24,880
Speaker 2: nice place. You mentioned the depth thing. Obviously they're just

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01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 2: not going to fully get to where the powers in

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01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:31,120
Speaker 2: the conference are, but they're cruising at a nice altitude

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01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 2: right now, and so it's been cool to see because

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01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 2: that's a I wouldn't say it's a difficult place to win,

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01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:39,040
Speaker 2: but it's not an easy place to win. So I

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01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 2: like seeing the who succeed I do the.

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Speaker 1: Dinger just went off in the plane. You could take

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01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:48,600
Speaker 1: off your seatbelt, you can walk around the cabin. You

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01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about too much unexpected turbulence, a

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01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:55,679
Speaker 1: few bumps. But yeah, they're doing an okay job down there.

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Speaker 2: Dan, that's it, Virginia Tech, that's great.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Marathon show complete?

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Speaker 2: What are we gonna do? If the ACC keeps adding

1814
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:06,880
Speaker 2: more to what are we gonna do?

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01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: These shows are wearing me out right in solid verbal

1816
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com, let us know your thoughts on

1817
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 1: the ACC. You put a lot into this show. We're

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01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 1: gonna do the sec on Friday, so please tune in.

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Speaker 1: Please to subscribe. Tell your friends, your family, your former lovers, whoever,

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Speaker 1: tell them all.

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01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 2: Wow, Do you talk to any of your former lovers?

1822
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 2: Ty No? Do you have any of them contacted you?

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01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:36,680
Speaker 1: No? I mean no, no.

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01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:38,680
Speaker 2: I feel like you're probably unforgettable.

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01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 1: Well doesn't mean they talk to me.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've been in communication with any former

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Speaker 2: dalliance's tie now. I'm just I'm a one woman man.

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Speaker 2: Tye and That's just how it has to be as mine.

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Speaker 1: Follow along on social media Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, go to

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Speaker 1: the website Soliverble dot com for all the deats on

1831
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 1: how to subscribe. If you like the show, if you

1832
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 1: like what we're doing, we will be here all throughout

1833
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:12,799
Speaker 1: the season, whatever format that takes on, subscribe to the show. Apple.

1834
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Speaker 2: Can I make a request as we close out the

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Speaker 2: acc preview, please, can we get you posting on the

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01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:18,600
Speaker 2: gram a little more me?

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Speaker 1: You know what, I took a bunch of pictures of

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01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:22,559
Speaker 1: my ALMASI people want to see.

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01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 2: People want to see that, the bts of the tie

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01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:26,480
Speaker 2: Hildenbrandt lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll post, I'll post my omelets.

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Speaker 2: Where should people be following you me? Hilden brand Is

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01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:35,639
Speaker 2: that just one word? Tye Hildenbrandt, just your name.

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Speaker 1: That's why the H, the E, N, B, R, A

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Speaker 1: and D T. Yeah. I think you've got a lot

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Speaker 1: to show to the world. I don't post a lot lately.

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01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: You've got a dog, you cook, you've got a house.

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01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:50,719
Speaker 1: I know I have other things going, but when I tweet,

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01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:52,559
Speaker 1: when I post, it's worth it. I promise.

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Speaker 2: I think you got to op it up. You gotta

1851
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:55,640
Speaker 2: step up the game as the season's going. Show you

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01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 2: your watch set up, all right.

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Speaker 1: I got to go be a parent, Go be a

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Speaker 1: parent for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 1: for myself, Tie Hilton Brand, thank you for bearing with

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Speaker 1: us on this marathon show America's Conference of Champions. We

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Speaker 1: will talk to you all on Friday. In the meantimes

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Speaker 1: day summer Peace,