WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Ieshia Jackson Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans.

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<v Speaker 2>On October thirty first, twenty twenty, twenty, two year old

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<v Speaker 2>Aisha Jackson went out to a Halloween party. Before she left,

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<v Speaker 2>she talked to her mom, Liquida, and then she got

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<v Speaker 2>into a costume and went out with a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>her girlfriends. Ayisha was also with her aunt, Shequila, and

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<v Speaker 2>her uncle, William Parker Junior, who goes by the nickname

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<v Speaker 2>Thuga Man. Aisha was living on South Roselawn in Eldoredo, Arkansas,

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<v Speaker 2>but she had had a few break ins in her

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<v Speaker 2>home recently, so because of that, she had been staying

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<v Speaker 2>on and off with her uncle William and his wife,

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<v Speaker 2>Shequila in their home, which was a few minutes away

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<v Speaker 2>on Stewart Avenue. Aisha had mentioned going with William and

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<v Speaker 2>Shequila to Houston on November first. William and Shequila had

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<v Speaker 2>been living in Texas. They were in the process of

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<v Speaker 2>moving back to Eldredo, so Shequila and William were supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>going to move some furniture out of their apartment in

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<v Speaker 2>Houston and into a storage unit there. Aisha usually stayed

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<v Speaker 2>in constant touch with her mom, Liquita. They talked multiple

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<v Speaker 2>times per day, but on November one, twenty twenty, Ayisha

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<v Speaker 2>went radio silent. Liquita was able to reach her brother

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<v Speaker 2>William now. At first, William told Liquita that Ayisha was sleeping.

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<v Speaker 2>Liquida kept calling Ayisha's phone, and her daughter never answered.

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<v Speaker 2>She finally reached William again at around nine pm that

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<v Speaker 2>night on November first. He told Liquita that Aisha had

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<v Speaker 2>gone on the Houston trip with him in Shequila, but

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<v Speaker 2>that he had already dropped Ayisha back at her home.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Liquita thought this was weird because since the break ends again,

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<v Speaker 2>Aisha was afraid of being home by herself. Liquita wondered

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<v Speaker 2>why would Aisha not stay with her aunt and uncle

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<v Speaker 2>at their house. Why would she go home by herself

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<v Speaker 2>after dark. Liquita spent that night tossing and turning. At

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<v Speaker 2>around nine am on the morning of November two, she

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<v Speaker 2>and Ayisha's brother, Jaiques, who was in high school at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and Liquita's husband, Freddy, got in the car

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<v Speaker 2>and drove over to Ayisha's house on South Roselawn. They

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<v Speaker 2>found the door cracked open, and when they went in,

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<v Speaker 2>the inside of Ayisha's house was in total disarray. Ayisha's

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<v Speaker 2>dog was out of the kennel. Her stuff was thrown around,

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<v Speaker 2>but nothing was really stolen. Her purse and wallet and

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<v Speaker 2>medication were all there, but Ayisha Jackson was gone.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Townsend.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have a case you'd like me and my

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<v Speaker 2>team to look into, you can reach out to us

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<v Speaker 2>at our Helen Gone Murder line at six seven eight

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<v Speaker 2>seven four four six one four or five.

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<v Speaker 1>That six seven, eight seven four four, six, one four

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<v Speaker 1>or five.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Last week we mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>that Ayisha had recently reported a break in at her home.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a police report that we've gotten, and in

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<v Speaker 2>a case where there's no sign of the missing person,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no body and no real crime scene, at least

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<v Speaker 2>not yet, it's very important to take a look at

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<v Speaker 2>the physical evidence that we do have and to really

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<v Speaker 2>try to go in depth into it. We need to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out could the person who broke into Ayisha's home

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<v Speaker 2>have anything to do with her disappearance. Ayisha called the

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<v Speaker 2>police on October twenty six, twenty twenty, just five days

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<v Speaker 2>before she vanished. Officer Tyler Walker of the Eldoredo Police

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<v Speaker 2>Department took that call just after one twenty am on

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<v Speaker 2>the report. It states that Ayisha told Officer Walker that

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<v Speaker 2>she came home on October twenty third, a few days earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>and found that someone had been inside her house. She

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<v Speaker 2>said nothing had really been stolen, except for some food

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<v Speaker 2>from the refrigerator, which she estimated was about two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>dollars worth of food. Aisha said the drawers in her

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<v Speaker 2>bedroom had been ransacked, but she said she didn't notice

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<v Speaker 2>anything missing from there now. At this time, she tells

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<v Speaker 2>the officer that she believed that a man that she knew,

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<v Speaker 2>a man named Samaji, was responsible for this theft. Remember,

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<v Speaker 2>Samaji was a twenty three year old man whom Aisha

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<v Speaker 2>had been casually dating. She had recently gotten out of

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<v Speaker 2>a long term relationship, and she and Samaji had stopped

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<v Speaker 2>seeing each other shortly before she disappeared. But I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>whether it was Samaji or not, whoever broke in, what

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<v Speaker 2>were they looking for in those drawers?

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<v Speaker 1>Later, I do find a possible clue.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen screenshots of Ayisha's Facebook messenger. She sent a

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<v Speaker 2>message to a friend after that break in, saying she

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<v Speaker 2>noticed that a gun that she had kept hidden in

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<v Speaker 2>her underwear drawer had been stolen as well. She said

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't even really know how to use a gun. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>almost no one knew that she had it in there,

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<v Speaker 2>so she wondered who would have known to look for

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<v Speaker 2>it there and to take it out of that drawer.

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<v Speaker 2>I've also heard rumors about someone else who knew Ayisha

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<v Speaker 2>stealing a bag of drugs and potentially stashing the bag

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<v Speaker 2>of drugs in her home, but that's just a rumor

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. I have no idea if there's any

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<v Speaker 2>truth to that. Back to the police report. In that

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<v Speaker 2>police report, the officer noted that Aisha suspected that Samaji

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<v Speaker 2>may be responsible for the break in. I'm noticing this

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<v Speaker 2>is a slightly different story from what we've heard in

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<v Speaker 2>the past. Last week, we mentioned that Ayisha's grandmother, Ernestine,

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<v Speaker 2>told reporters after Ayisha went missing that Aisha had come

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<v Speaker 2>home and walked in on two guys at her apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>Her grandmother said Aisha had definitely recognized one of those

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<v Speaker 2>people as Samaji. We're not sure why those stories don't match.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know if maybe Aisha might have had reservations

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<v Speaker 2>about getting Samaji in trouble, or maybe she was afraid

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<v Speaker 2>to give the police a definite ID, but she did

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<v Speaker 2>tell the officer his name, and I just think it's

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<v Speaker 2>an important distinction to note that in that police report,

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<v Speaker 2>she said she believed it was him, not that she

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<v Speaker 2>was absolutely certain it was him, not that she walked

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<v Speaker 2>in and busted him in her place. After Ayisha reported

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<v Speaker 2>this break in, she was put on the special patrol

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<v Speaker 2>list by the Eldreeda Police department.

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<v Speaker 1>This meant that a.

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<v Speaker 2>Patrol car was supposed to make some extra trips and

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<v Speaker 2>cruised by her house. Despite that fact, when Laquita contacted

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<v Speaker 2>police on November two about Ayisha being missing, police told

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<v Speaker 2>her she would have to wait to follow that report, which,

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<v Speaker 2>as we discussed last.

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<v Speaker 1>Week, is completely incorrect.

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<v Speaker 2>You do not have to wait forty two or seventy

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<v Speaker 2>two or some magic number of hours to report someone missing.

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<v Speaker 2>Liquita kept calling the police, but it was November fifth

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<v Speaker 2>before police finally started investigating. Liquida spent days trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get someone, anyone to listen and to take her seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>And even after Ayisha was officially reported missing and police

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<v Speaker 2>had gone to her home, they still didn't take some

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<v Speaker 2>basic steps like securing the home treating it as a

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<v Speaker 2>crime scene. They also did not take Ayisha's cell phone.

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<v Speaker 2>This cell phone is going to become a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of this mystery because remember Laquita told us on November two,

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<v Speaker 2>she went to Ayisha's apartment. While she and Jacques were

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<v Speaker 2>in there, they noticed that Ayisha's phone was there, plugged

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<v Speaker 2>into its charger. Liquita said that Shaquila, William's wife took

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<v Speaker 2>the phone from her. According to Laquita, Shaquilla did this

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<v Speaker 2>because she believed that one of her children would be

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<v Speaker 2>able to guess Ayisha's password, but apparently they couldn't, at

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<v Speaker 2>least that's the story Liquita was told. So after that,

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<v Speaker 2>Liquita was locked out of her daughter's phone. Police did

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<v Speaker 2>eventually take Ayisha's phone, but that was several days later,

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<v Speaker 2>after November fifth, when she was officially reported missing. So

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<v Speaker 2>here's the weird part because during that time period between

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<v Speaker 2>the last time when Ayisha was seen alive on October

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<v Speaker 2>thirty first, and when the police took control of that

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<v Speaker 2>phone several days later after November fifth, I have heard

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<v Speaker 2>that there were text messages coming from Ayisha's phone. Ayisha's

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<v Speaker 2>grandmother said that she made a FaceTime call on November

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<v Speaker 2>third and that she saw Ayisha in the background when

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<v Speaker 2>she made that call, but that's never been confirmed. Another

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<v Speaker 2>friend wrote on Facebook that Ayisha was liking reacting to

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<v Speaker 2>her posts on November fourth, So if that's true and

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<v Speaker 2>Ayisha was gone, how is that possible? Who was reacting

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<v Speaker 2>to those posts? How did that happen? As we said

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<v Speaker 2>last week, there were tips coming in about Aisha once

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<v Speaker 2>she was officially reported missing. But I think it's really

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<v Speaker 2>important to take a step back and ask ourselves where

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<v Speaker 2>these tips were coming from. Remember last week, Liquida and

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<v Speaker 2>Jacques ah his brother, said they were suspicious of William

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<v Speaker 2>and Shequila. Jacques said that when he and his mother

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<v Speaker 2>pulled into Ayisha's driveway on November tewod right before they

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<v Speaker 2>found that cell phone plugged into the charger in Ayisha's

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<v Speaker 2>house ransacked, they noticed that Shaquila had pulled in.

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<v Speaker 1>Right behind them.

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<v Speaker 2>Jacques and Laqueda both said that they thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a red flag that Shaquila was

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<v Speaker 2>so emotional. They believed maybe a little overly emotional. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, this is Ayisha's aunt, and everyone handles grief

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<v Speaker 2>and shock differently. But I can say, as someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>done this for a long time, I do notice that

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes in cases you will see someone who seems to

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<v Speaker 2>show a lot of emotion. They add a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>drama to a scene, but don't necessarily help that much.

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<v Speaker 2>You may remember from last week that Jacques talked about

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<v Speaker 2>the fact Ayisha's family got a tip that Ayisha was

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<v Speaker 2>buried in a shallow gray in Strong, Arkansas. So, according

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<v Speaker 2>to Laquita's high school friend Rena, who has been helping

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<v Speaker 2>her with her daughter's case for the last couple of years,

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<v Speaker 2>in early December, Shaquila made a Facebook live asking the

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<v Speaker 2>public for help missing for a month, over a month

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<v Speaker 2>like like this need like we need.

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<v Speaker 1>Help, help like.

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<v Speaker 2>Shaquilla was very emotional in this Facebook live. She has

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<v Speaker 2>taken it down since, but she was basically begging the

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<v Speaker 2>public for help.

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<v Speaker 1>She said she wanted anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>With a four wheeler or a vehicle that could help

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<v Speaker 2>her search to come to the woods near Strong. She

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<v Speaker 2>said Aisha had been missing for a month, and she

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<v Speaker 2>begged for help. She kept saying, she's been gone a month.

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<v Speaker 2>In four days, what are y'all doing talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>police department? Now, I've replayed this message over and over

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<v Speaker 2>because I notice that la later says publicly on national

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<v Speaker 2>television that the last time she saw Ayisha was on

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<v Speaker 2>November third, which would have been a month and three days. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>This seems like a small discrepancy, but as you'll see,

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<v Speaker 2>this timeline and getting it right is absolutely crucial. In

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<v Speaker 2>this FaceTime live, Shaquila mentions that Ayisha was in love

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<v Speaker 2>with white boys. She says something about white boys taking

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<v Speaker 2>Ayisha out of her house. It seems likely she's referring

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<v Speaker 2>to Ayisha's long term ex boyfriend, who was white, because

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<v Speaker 2>Ayisha had very recently broken up with his person Jacques

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<v Speaker 2>talked last week about Ayisha's long term boyfriend. He said

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<v Speaker 2>this guy completely loved Ayisha, that he was very cooperative,

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<v Speaker 2>that he had an alibi, and that he helped search

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<v Speaker 2>for her. And there's never been any suggestion that this

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<v Speaker 2>ex could have been involved with Aisha's.

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<v Speaker 1>Disappearance at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Ayisha's own family said that the guy Ayisha suspected of

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<v Speaker 2>being in her home was not her ex boyfriend, but

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<v Speaker 2>was Samaji, who was black. According to her family, she

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<v Speaker 2>had been seeing Samaji casually shortly before she disappeared. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just flagging this up because I'm wondering why this statement

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<v Speaker 2>was made by Shaquila about a white guy supposedly taking

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<v Speaker 2>Ayisha out of her home. It seems to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>come out of the blue. On November eighth, twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>a witness was out in the woods. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to say exactly what this person was doing or give

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<v Speaker 2>their name because they are very afraid of retribution from

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<v Speaker 2>the people they saw. And honestly, I can understand why.

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<v Speaker 1>This witness saw a car pull up.

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<v Speaker 2>They saw two men get out of that car and

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<v Speaker 2>pop the trunk and then pull a bulky item that

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<v Speaker 2>was wrapped in a blanket out of that trunk. The

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<v Speaker 2>driver of the car, who the witness could not see,

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<v Speaker 2>then drove down the road, leaving the two men alone.

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<v Speaker 2>The two men took that bulky object wrapped in a

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<v Speaker 2>blanket and walked into the woods. Then a little while later,

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<v Speaker 2>after this car dropped these two men off in the woods,

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<v Speaker 2>this witness said they saw the same vehicle come back, pick.

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<v Speaker 1>Up the two men, and leave the area.

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<v Speaker 2>While this witness observed the two men take the item

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<v Speaker 2>from the trunk and go into the woods, they said

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<v Speaker 2>that they were scared. They were completely quiet, and they

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<v Speaker 2>told their children who were with them to stay completely quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>This person was scared of what those men could be

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<v Speaker 2>doing out there, and over the next few weeks, even

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<v Speaker 2>though he had been really freaked out, he told himself

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he'd blown it out of proportion in his mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you may remember from last week in December of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, Samaji, the twenty three year old man whom

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<v Speaker 2>Aisha had been dating casually, was arrested and police were

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<v Speaker 2>filing charges of capital murder and kidnapping against him. This

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<v Speaker 2>witness saw this on the news about Samaji being arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>He got very scared because he thought there could be

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<v Speaker 2>a chance that maybe he had seen something related Diaisha's disappearance,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe the thing that those guys had been moving

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<v Speaker 2>out in the woods that day was a body. So

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<v Speaker 2>he called the police and told them about what he saw.

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<v Speaker 2>Police did come to the area and they did search

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<v Speaker 2>for a few hours. This witness believed they found a shirt,

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<v Speaker 2>but we have no idea whose shirt it was, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it was sent into evidence, or if it was in

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<v Speaker 2>any way connected Diaisha's case. In the end, like so

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<v Speaker 2>many leads in this case, it turned out to be

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<v Speaker 2>seemingly yet another dead end. At different points in the investigation,

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<v Speaker 2>it did start to seem to certain members of Ayisha's family,

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<v Speaker 2>like Shaquila and William, were trying to point fingers in

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<v Speaker 2>certain directions, first toward the long term X and later

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<v Speaker 2>towards Sumaji. Then on December thirteenth, twenty twenty, police announced

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<v Speaker 2>they made another arrest in the case, a man named

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<v Speaker 2>Kenneth Lee. We talked about this last week, how Kenneth

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<v Speaker 2>Lee was charged with extortion.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically what happened was he said he had.

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<v Speaker 2>Information about Aysha's case, but he said he would only

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<v Speaker 2>give it to the family if they paid him eight

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars. It turned out this information was a lie.

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<v Speaker 2>He had made up a story. The whole thing was basically.

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<v Speaker 1>A scam to get money.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not the whole story because it turns out

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<v Speaker 2>that the chain of events that led to Kenneth's arrests

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<v Speaker 2>also involved Ayisha's uncle, William Parker. So again we need

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<v Speaker 2>to take a look at how this all went down now.

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<v Speaker 2>According to police records, on just number twelfth, Kenneth Lee

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<v Speaker 2>saw William on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Side of the road. He pulled over.

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<v Speaker 2>He told William he had information about Aisha, but he

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<v Speaker 2>said it would cost her family eight thousand dollars. Now

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<v Speaker 2>at that point, according to the police report, William said

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<v Speaker 2>he would try to get the money together.

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<v Speaker 1>So they made a plan.

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<v Speaker 2>William would make some calls about the money and call

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<v Speaker 2>Kenneth back, which he did, and that night they met

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<v Speaker 2>up on the side of the road. William got into

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<v Speaker 2>Kenneth's car. But what Kenneth didn't know was that William

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<v Speaker 2>was wearing a wire a video camera the Elderrated Police

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<v Speaker 2>Department had given him. This also seems strange to me,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, because this all happened within a twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four hour period. This seems very quick to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the police, tell him you have a potential tip and

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<v Speaker 2>get wired up and get approval to be wired up.

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<v Speaker 2>So I do wonder how did that happen so fast?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it possible William was already working with the police

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<v Speaker 2>in some capacity. So anyway, now Kenneth and William were

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in the car on the side of the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Kenneth called this other party who supposedly had the information.

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<v Speaker 2>That person picked up the phone and said that they

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<v Speaker 2>had overheard Samaji tell two other guys that he Samaji

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<v Speaker 2>had paid ten thousand dollars to kidnap Aisha, and the

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<v Speaker 2>reason he did this, according to this third party, was

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<v Speaker 2>because Ayisha had been stealing methamphetamine from him, and he

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly had video of Aisha stealing methamphetamine from his stash

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<v Speaker 2>of drugs he kept at home. So this person said

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<v Speaker 2>Samaji had killed Aisha by hitting her over the head

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<v Speaker 2>several times with a hammer. Then Samaji supposedly took Ayisha's body,

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<v Speaker 2>traveled to a deer camp off Highway sixty three and

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<v Speaker 2>buried her body in a shallow grave. William caught everything

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<v Speaker 2>that happened on this video camera and after he finished

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<v Speaker 2>up with Kenneth, he went straight to the Eldoredo Police department.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave them the recording device and after that Kenneth

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<v Speaker 2>was arrested. Police, also, by the way, contacted this third

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<v Speaker 2>person who William and Kenneth were talking to on the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>The person basically told police the whole thing had been

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<v Speaker 2>a scam. He said, yes, he had made the call,

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<v Speaker 2>but he said Kenneth had set the whole thing up.

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<v Speaker 2>This person said Kenneth had come to them and said

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<v Speaker 2>they could make some easy money by selling the information

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<v Speaker 2>to Ayesha's family. Now we said the last week this

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing was just a hoax. But I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting that it didn't just come out of thin air. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>this was information that William was connected to that he

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<v Speaker 2>brought the police. As we said last week, the extortion

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<v Speaker 2>charges against Kenneth were later dropped and the charges against

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<v Speaker 2>Samaji were dropped as well. As the weeks and months

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<v Speaker 2>went on and this became more of a cold case.

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<v Speaker 2>What seems to have happened here is, unfortunately what happens

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<v Speaker 2>in so many cases. The family appears to be divided.

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<v Speaker 2>So on the one side you have jack Ques and Liquida,

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<v Speaker 2>and then on the other side you have people who

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<v Speaker 2>may be supporting William. Some of this could be because

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<v Speaker 2>some people don't want to believe it's possible for a

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<v Speaker 2>family member to have done anything like this, And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just speculating here, but people could be scared William does

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<v Speaker 2>have a criminal background, and given William's prior arrests, in

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that a lot of them were for drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>some people wondered what actually happened on the road to Houston.

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<v Speaker 2>Was furniture the real reason why they made that trip,

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<v Speaker 2>or could there have been something else possibly some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of drug deal going on. Let's get into William Parker

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<v Speaker 2>Junior's criminal history. We know he had several convictions related

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<v Speaker 2>to drug charges in the past, and he's encountered some

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous situations. Back in twenty thirteen, when he was thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years old, the Eldedo News Times reported William was almost

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<v Speaker 2>murdered during an alleged drug deal gone wrong. The newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>quoted an arrest affidavit and said William testified that he

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<v Speaker 2>went to a residence to make a drug deal. He

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<v Speaker 2>said when he went inside, he was shot multiple times.

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<v Speaker 2>When police went to the hospital in Little Rock where

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<v Speaker 2>William was having surgery on his john stomach, they interviewed

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<v Speaker 2>him and he was able to identify the three men

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<v Speaker 2>who he said shot him, but later he retracted that statement.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, yes, the three guys he mentioned were at

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<v Speaker 2>the residence when he was there, but he said he

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<v Speaker 2>was shot by an unidentified man and he had been

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<v Speaker 2>shot from behind, so he couldn't tell who did it.

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<v Speaker 2>So the three alleged shooters got off lightly. One got

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<v Speaker 2>probation because of a past robbery conviction. The charges against

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<v Speaker 2>the other two were dismissed completely. William has been involved

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<v Speaker 2>with some dangerous people, and he's allegedly been involved in

0:21:58.005 --> 0:22:04.805
<v Speaker 2>some much darker things. Since Aisha's disappearance, William has been

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<v Speaker 2>arrested and charge was sexual assault, including sexual indecency with

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<v Speaker 2>a child. He's not the only man in Ayisha's life

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<v Speaker 2>that has had these types of charges filed against him.

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<v Speaker 2>In September of twenty twenty three, Samaji, the man who

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<v Speaker 2>I usual had been dating, was also charged with sexual

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<v Speaker 2>indecency with a child and second degree sexual assault. I've

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<v Speaker 2>read the arrest Afi David, and these charges are extremely disturbing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to invade the victim's privacy, but I

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<v Speaker 2>will say the alleged incident took place late in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two and it involved an eight year old girl.

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<v Speaker 2>She said she was at home with some other children

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<v Speaker 2>and Samaji told the other children to go to bed

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<v Speaker 2>and then asked her if she wanted to say her ABC's.

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<v Speaker 2>Then she said he said he would give her a

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<v Speaker 2>prize if she finished. She told the interviewer that after that,

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<v Speaker 2>Samaji put a blindfold on her, grabbed her sleeve and

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<v Speaker 2>put her hand.

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<v Speaker 1>On his penis.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, this case and William's case are both still making

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<v Speaker 2>their ways through the court system, but these charges are horrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm pointing this out because none of this proves

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<v Speaker 2>that William or Samaji had anything to do with Aisha's disappearance.

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<v Speaker 2>But from the standpoint of a police investigator, they have

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<v Speaker 2>to notice there was more than one man in Aisha

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson's orbit who had a potentially violent criminal record and

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<v Speaker 2>drug charges and sexual assault charges. We know that in

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<v Speaker 2>Samaji's case, he was obviously a person of interest from

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning, but as the case moved forward, police found

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<v Speaker 2>no evidence to tie him to Aisha's disappearance. The only

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<v Speaker 2>clue they had seemed to be the fact that Ayisha

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<v Speaker 2>suspected him of being inside her house when she wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 1>But they had no dispute that.

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<v Speaker 2>We know of or any animal, And from what we know,

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<v Speaker 2>Samaji was not around Aisha on Halloween night. Given Williams

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<v Speaker 2>past and the fact that he and Shaquila were the

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<v Speaker 2>last known people to see Ayishaw live, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people wondered why he wasn't considered, at the minimum a

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<v Speaker 2>person of interest, which brings us back to this trip

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<v Speaker 2>to Houston, because police said early on they verified that

0:24:31.725 --> 0:24:35.765
<v Speaker 2>Ayisha was in Houston with a family member, but later Rena,

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<v Speaker 2>Laquita's friend communicated via email and I've seen those emails.

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<v Speaker 2>She was emailing an officer who admitted police could not

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<v Speaker 2>verify Ayisha's location after October thirty. First, did Aisha ever

0:24:50.085 --> 0:24:56.205
<v Speaker 2>really go to Houston? Did she ever really leave Arkansas? So,

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<v Speaker 2>as Jacques, Liquita and the rest of the family are

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<v Speaker 2>hearing these rumors going around, one of the big things

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<v Speaker 2>that Jacques wanted was for William and Shaquila to volunte

0:25:05.565 --> 0:25:09.405
<v Speaker 2>harrily take light detector tests to as Jacques put it clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Their names.

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<v Speaker 2>So Jacques was kind of calling out Shaquila on social media.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he said she put a post on her Facebook page.

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<v Speaker 2>She said what y'all don't know is basically, we did

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<v Speaker 2>go to the police and take a lot of detector

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<v Speaker 2>test and passed.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jacques said that post was later removed.

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<v Speaker 2>After months had gone by and he wasn't getting any

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<v Speaker 2>answers from police.

0:25:33.805 --> 0:25:35.565
<v Speaker 1>Jacques said he was desperate for help.

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<v Speaker 2>He contacted several shows, including the Steve Wilcost Show. So

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<v Speaker 2>quick side note for people who have not seen this show.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Wilcos is a former law enforcement officer, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was also Jerry Springer's bodyguard on the Jerry Springer Show.

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<v Speaker 2>So over the years Steve kind of became a character

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<v Speaker 2>in his own right. He's got this very blunt persona

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<v Speaker 2>and a big part of his show is taking people

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<v Speaker 2>and giving them light detector tests, and the tone of

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<v Speaker 2>the show is much than Jerry Springer.

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<v Speaker 1>You have people who are.

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<v Speaker 2>Accusing family members of molestation, theft, murder, really everything under

0:26:13.245 --> 0:26:18.165
<v Speaker 2>the sun. William was not on the show, but Shaquila

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<v Speaker 2>agreed to appear and to go on the show and

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<v Speaker 2>take a lot of detector test. The show aired on

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<v Speaker 2>November first, twenty twenty three. The title of the show

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<v Speaker 2>was I Want my Sister Back Dead or Alive. Now, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a talk show, it is entertainment, but I

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<v Speaker 2>really applaud Jaquez here because, in my opinion, this was

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty ingenious way of getting Shaquila to talk to

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<v Speaker 2>people about what happened on the record and in whatever

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<v Speaker 2>roundabout way to get a light of detector test. It's

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<v Speaker 2>always a good idea in cases like this to keep

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<v Speaker 2>people talking because sooner or later, I believe most of

0:26:56.005 --> 0:26:59.245
<v Speaker 2>them will trip up. Having a record of those contradictions

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<v Speaker 2>is what can ultimately break a case, and that's why

0:27:01.525 --> 0:27:04.325
<v Speaker 2>I go so in depth into all these details.

0:27:06.285 --> 0:27:09.605
<v Speaker 1>So I've seen the show. Jacques appears first.

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<v Speaker 2>He talks about Ayisha, and he said that Shaquila, in

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<v Speaker 2>his opinion, had been, in his words, giving us the

0:27:16.245 --> 0:27:19.685
<v Speaker 2>run around for years. He said, point blank he thinks

0:27:19.685 --> 0:27:21.685
<v Speaker 2>that his AUNTI Shaquila, had something to do with the

0:27:21.685 --> 0:27:25.045
<v Speaker 2>disappearance of Aisha, or at least he said, he believes

0:27:25.045 --> 0:27:28.765
<v Speaker 2>she knows more than she's saying. And you really feel

0:27:28.805 --> 0:27:31.605
<v Speaker 2>for Jaques when you watch this because he explains how

0:27:31.765 --> 0:27:36.125
<v Speaker 2>after his sister disappeared, he was bullied at school. People

0:27:36.205 --> 0:27:39.605
<v Speaker 2>were saying he was weird. Some of them even alleged

0:27:39.645 --> 0:27:43.525
<v Speaker 2>he had something to do with Ayisha's disappearance. Jacques started

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<v Speaker 2>to wonder about the LA detector test because he said

0:27:46.125 --> 0:27:48.885
<v Speaker 2>Shaquila had posted on Facebook that she had taken one

0:27:48.925 --> 0:27:52.245
<v Speaker 2>and passed it. Jacques called the police detective who was

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<v Speaker 2>working the case, and he says that the police told

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<v Speaker 2>him this was not true, that William and Shaquila had

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<v Speaker 2>not taken light of detector tests. So on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>Jaques confronts her about this lat of detector test.

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<v Speaker 1>Kuila comes out she's very angry.

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<v Speaker 2>She says she's not a monster, she loved Ayisha and

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<v Speaker 2>this is all false accusations against her. At that moment,

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<v Speaker 2>all hell basically broke loose. Jacques and Shaequila started physically fighting.

0:28:20.365 --> 0:28:23.005
<v Speaker 2>He was screaming at her, he was shaking and asking if.

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<v Speaker 1>She had something to do with it.

0:28:27.685 --> 0:28:30.605
<v Speaker 2>Steve Wilcos asked her about what happened on the day

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<v Speaker 2>when Aisha went missing.

0:28:32.005 --> 0:28:34.005
<v Speaker 1>Her reply was very interesting because.

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<v Speaker 2>She says, quote November three, to be exact, we first

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<v Speaker 2>went to Houston to move some stuff out of my

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<v Speaker 2>old apartment because I was getting ready to get back

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<v Speaker 2>to Arkansas. We put the stuff into storage, and we

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<v Speaker 2>came back to Arkansas, dropped her off at home. I

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<v Speaker 2>walked her in, and me and Thugaman meaning William gave

0:28:51.645 --> 0:28:56.245
<v Speaker 2>her some decorations and stuff end quote. So she told

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Wilcost they were the last two people to see

0:28:59.285 --> 0:29:02.125
<v Speaker 2>her alive. She said she didn't have the slightest idea

0:29:02.205 --> 0:29:04.045
<v Speaker 2>what happened to Ayisha, and that she wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>on the show so they could find out what happened

0:29:06.005 --> 0:29:08.725
<v Speaker 2>to her and also to clear her name. So a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of things are interesting about this First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>she says November three, but Laquita insists that they were

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<v Speaker 2>all at the home on November two, So how could

0:29:19.325 --> 0:29:22.005
<v Speaker 2>the trip to Houston have taken place on November third?

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<v Speaker 2>And if it did, why didn't Aisha answer the phone

0:29:25.325 --> 0:29:27.565
<v Speaker 2>between November one and November third?

0:29:27.605 --> 0:29:29.125
<v Speaker 1>What was going on during that time?

0:29:29.485 --> 0:29:31.925
<v Speaker 2>Someone is wrong about these dates and the police are

0:29:31.965 --> 0:29:37.005
<v Speaker 2>not exploring these contradictions. Shaquila did admit that she did

0:29:37.045 --> 0:29:40.245
<v Speaker 2>not take a lot detector test, so at least that

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<v Speaker 2>was cleared up.

0:29:42.365 --> 0:29:43.925
<v Speaker 1>She said police told.

0:29:43.685 --> 0:29:45.725
<v Speaker 2>Her and William they didn't need to take one because

0:29:45.725 --> 0:29:50.205
<v Speaker 2>they were not suspects. Jaques then asked, well, okay, if

0:29:50.205 --> 0:29:52.165
<v Speaker 2>he didn't take a lot of detector test, why did

0:29:52.165 --> 0:29:55.165
<v Speaker 2>you make a Facebook post saying you had. She says

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't make that post, so again another contradiction that

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be explored. Shaquilla says some other interesting and

0:30:03.565 --> 0:30:06.325
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, potentially revealing things whi she's on stage.

0:30:06.765 --> 0:30:08.725
<v Speaker 2>I would actually love to see the rest of the tape,

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<v Speaker 2>the part of these interviews that did not make it

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<v Speaker 2>to error, but I don't know if that'll ever happen.

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<v Speaker 2>The other interesting part was when Steve Wilcos asked Shaquilla

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<v Speaker 2>if she thought William could have had anything to do

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<v Speaker 2>with it. She said, quote, at the time we dropped

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<v Speaker 2>her off, no, now if he doubled.

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<v Speaker 1>Back, I can't speak to that end quote.

0:30:30.685 --> 0:30:33.005
<v Speaker 2>So she's saying right there that in her mind, it's

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<v Speaker 2>possible that William did go back to Aisha's home and

0:30:35.725 --> 0:30:39.925
<v Speaker 2>do something to her. Steve Wilcos asked her what made

0:30:39.925 --> 0:30:41.845
<v Speaker 2>her change her mind about William and think he could

0:30:41.845 --> 0:30:45.285
<v Speaker 2>have had something to do with it. She talked about

0:30:45.325 --> 0:30:47.525
<v Speaker 2>stuff she found out. What did she mean there?

0:30:48.525 --> 0:30:49.725
<v Speaker 1>And she said.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically that the stuff was accusations of sexual assault.

0:30:53.885 --> 0:30:56.285
<v Speaker 1>Because it turned out that Shaquila.

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<v Speaker 2>Believed that her husband, William, may have sexually assaulted Aisha,

0:31:00.765 --> 0:31:16.485
<v Speaker 2>his own niece. So now we're hearing this bombshell news

0:31:16.485 --> 0:31:21.485
<v Speaker 2>that there was an accusation that William had sexually assaulted Aisha.

0:31:21.645 --> 0:31:24.885
<v Speaker 2>On the show, Shaquilla said that she and William were

0:31:24.885 --> 0:31:28.605
<v Speaker 2>not together anymore. The whole timeline of their relationship is

0:31:28.605 --> 0:31:32.045
<v Speaker 2>a little bit unclear because according to court records, Shaquilla

0:31:32.125 --> 0:31:35.805
<v Speaker 2>filed for divorce on March first, twenty nineteen, so more

0:31:35.845 --> 0:31:38.885
<v Speaker 2>than a year before Ayisha went missing. The divorce was

0:31:38.925 --> 0:31:41.845
<v Speaker 2>finalized in early twenty twenty, So it does seem like

0:31:41.885 --> 0:31:44.365
<v Speaker 2>they were on and off for a while, but family

0:31:44.405 --> 0:31:47.285
<v Speaker 2>members say that William and Shequilla were together at the

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<v Speaker 2>time Aisha disappeared. Like many people, I'm wondering what exactly

0:31:52.845 --> 0:31:53.965
<v Speaker 2>did Shaquilla.

0:31:53.605 --> 0:31:55.245
<v Speaker 1>Know and when did she know it.

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<v Speaker 2>After all that drama, Steve Wilkos came out with his

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<v Speaker 2>envelope and he revealed the results of Shaquila's law detector test. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously I just want to say these results are not

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<v Speaker 2>admissible in court, and there's a good reason for that.

0:32:10.205 --> 0:32:12.765
<v Speaker 2>And with this test, we don't know who administered it.

0:32:12.845 --> 0:32:15.285
<v Speaker 2>The reliability of these tests is really dependent on the

0:32:15.285 --> 0:32:18.285
<v Speaker 2>skill of the operator. So I am not saying in

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<v Speaker 2>any way this is one hundred percent certain, but it

0:32:20.405 --> 0:32:24.245
<v Speaker 2>is interesting. By the way, when Steve asked Shaquilla who

0:32:24.325 --> 0:32:28.045
<v Speaker 2>she thought was responsible for Aisha's disappearance, she said she

0:32:28.085 --> 0:32:31.405
<v Speaker 2>thought it was one of Ayisha's boyfriends. So the first

0:32:31.485 --> 0:32:35.725
<v Speaker 2>question that the lie detector test ash Shequilla was were

0:32:35.765 --> 0:32:39.365
<v Speaker 2>you involved in the disappearance of Ayisha Jackson? She said no,

0:32:39.965 --> 0:32:44.205
<v Speaker 2>and they determined that she was telling the truth. Then

0:32:44.405 --> 0:32:47.285
<v Speaker 2>the second question was do you know for sure who

0:32:47.365 --> 0:32:51.285
<v Speaker 2>is involved in the disappearance of Ayisha Jackson. She said no,

0:32:52.045 --> 0:32:55.885
<v Speaker 2>and the results were that she did not tell the truth. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>after that result was read, all hell broke loose again.

0:32:58.845 --> 0:33:01.685
<v Speaker 2>Jacques was crying and looked like he was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>fight his ann again.

0:33:02.725 --> 0:33:05.045
<v Speaker 1>You could just see the devastation and it was genuine.

0:33:05.085 --> 0:33:07.925
<v Speaker 2>I know people say that sometimes these shows are fake,

0:33:08.005 --> 0:33:13.005
<v Speaker 2>but this was absolutely genuine. After that, Shaquila seems like

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<v Speaker 2>she's kind of trying to explain how that result happened.

0:33:16.085 --> 0:33:18.765
<v Speaker 2>She said she started to have suspicions about William because

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<v Speaker 2>she saw a video, a video where William allegedly admitted

0:33:23.245 --> 0:33:28.445
<v Speaker 2>that he essayed someone. Essay, by the way, means sexual assault.

0:33:30.645 --> 0:33:34.165
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if she's talking about a TikTok video, because

0:33:34.205 --> 0:33:38.045
<v Speaker 2>this TikTok video put a shocking twist in this case.

0:33:39.285 --> 0:33:41.565
<v Speaker 2>The person who made it, Rob, was an old friend

0:33:41.645 --> 0:33:43.445
<v Speaker 2>of Rena's who got involved with.

0:33:43.405 --> 0:33:44.845
<v Speaker 1>The case and was trying to help.

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<v Speaker 2>And as part of this TikTok, Rob put up a

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<v Speaker 2>conversation that Rena had with the mayor of Elddo, Arkansas,

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Choate, on February first, twenty twenty three, just a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of background on that Rena had been asking

0:33:59.685 --> 0:34:03.445
<v Speaker 2>the mayor for months to meet with her. He finally

0:34:03.485 --> 0:34:07.165
<v Speaker 2>agreed and she took her friend Joanna and another person

0:34:07.245 --> 0:34:10.325
<v Speaker 2>with her, so three people were present when this conversation

0:34:10.405 --> 0:34:13.765
<v Speaker 2>took place. Rena recorded it and later she passed it

0:34:13.845 --> 0:34:18.925
<v Speaker 2>on to Rob Now. In this TikTok video, Rob mentions

0:34:19.005 --> 0:34:22.645
<v Speaker 2>that a police detective assigned to the case allegedly said

0:34:22.965 --> 0:34:25.925
<v Speaker 2>that Ayisha's uncle had essayed her in the past, meaning

0:34:25.965 --> 0:34:28.205
<v Speaker 2>sexually assaulted, and that it could be proven.

0:34:29.005 --> 0:34:31.405
<v Speaker 1>But they also supposedly said.

0:34:31.605 --> 0:34:35.605
<v Speaker 2>They weren't really looking into William because his alibi sounded credible.

0:34:36.525 --> 0:34:40.965
<v Speaker 2>The Eldado mayor told Rena that if she keeps pushing

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<v Speaker 2>the police department, if they expose potential mistakes they made,

0:34:45.205 --> 0:34:47.405
<v Speaker 2>that they're going to get frozen out and they need

0:34:47.445 --> 0:34:47.925
<v Speaker 2>to drop it.

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<v Speaker 4>I should be able to say this department did not

0:34:52.085 --> 0:34:55.125
<v Speaker 4>follow the correct policy and procedure and we shouldn't try

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<v Speaker 4>to cover that.

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<v Speaker 2>You will alienate yourself from any communication with police Clarks.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you mean if that's us let out that

0:35:08.005 --> 0:35:11.965
<v Speaker 4>they that they had not followed properly. Okay, but that's

0:35:12.045 --> 0:35:14.685
<v Speaker 4>still not But it's the truth. So you tell me

0:35:14.765 --> 0:35:16.525
<v Speaker 4>stick to facts. That's a fact.

0:35:17.205 --> 0:35:19.205
<v Speaker 2>Go and see what happens.

0:35:19.765 --> 0:35:22.525
<v Speaker 4>Mean, but do what and see what I can do?

0:35:22.605 --> 0:35:25.805
<v Speaker 4>What and see what happens. If you say they're not following.

0:35:26.205 --> 0:35:29.485
<v Speaker 3>If you've become accusatory, that's not accusing.

0:35:29.565 --> 0:35:31.045
<v Speaker 4>That's a fact.

0:35:31.965 --> 0:35:34.885
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay.

0:35:39.245 --> 0:35:41.485
<v Speaker 2>Rob makes a good point in his TikTok. He goes

0:35:41.525 --> 0:35:44.325
<v Speaker 2>on to say that hundreds of thousands of young women

0:35:44.365 --> 0:35:47.685
<v Speaker 2>go missing every year in the United States, a disproportionate

0:35:47.765 --> 0:35:50.445
<v Speaker 2>number of Black women, and often these are the stories

0:35:50.445 --> 0:35:51.765
<v Speaker 2>that get forgotten by the media.

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<v Speaker 3>It's absolutely ridiculous that a young woman can just disappear

0:35:56.045 --> 0:35:58.685
<v Speaker 3>like this and nobody gives a shit. It's even more

0:35:58.685 --> 0:36:00.765
<v Speaker 3>frustrating that people who are supposed to be helping or

0:36:00.805 --> 0:36:03.645
<v Speaker 3>just brushing it off and not taking it seriously. It's

0:36:03.685 --> 0:36:06.405
<v Speaker 3>also worth noting a third of the almost three hundred

0:36:06.405 --> 0:36:08.925
<v Speaker 3>thousand girls and women reported the missing in the US

0:36:08.965 --> 0:36:12.405
<v Speaker 3>and twenty twenty we're black. If those cases often get

0:36:12.485 --> 0:36:15.125
<v Speaker 3>little attention, are all but ignored by law enforcement and

0:36:15.205 --> 0:36:18.805
<v Speaker 3>national news media. Ayasha's case is just one example of

0:36:18.845 --> 0:36:20.965
<v Speaker 3>the many missing black women who don't get the attention

0:36:21.005 --> 0:36:21.445
<v Speaker 3>they deserve.

0:36:22.925 --> 0:36:25.525
<v Speaker 2>But we're not going to forget about Ayisha Jackson because

0:36:25.525 --> 0:36:29.925
<v Speaker 2>at this point, her family, her mother, her brother, and

0:36:30.005 --> 0:36:33.965
<v Speaker 2>everyone in the community wants answers. And I want to reiterate,

0:36:35.325 --> 0:36:38.685
<v Speaker 2>neither William nor Shaquila have been charged with anything or

0:36:38.725 --> 0:36:42.365
<v Speaker 2>even named people of interest by police to my knowledge.

0:36:42.445 --> 0:36:45.485
<v Speaker 2>I'm really not trying to point the finger at anyone.

0:36:46.165 --> 0:36:50.205
<v Speaker 2>I am trying to point out these inconsistencies because the

0:36:50.285 --> 0:36:53.805
<v Speaker 2>devils in the details. These inconsistencies need to be resolved

0:36:53.845 --> 0:36:58.005
<v Speaker 2>and explained, and if the police would take a closer

0:36:58.085 --> 0:37:01.165
<v Speaker 2>look at them, I really believe that they could solve

0:37:01.205 --> 0:37:07.685
<v Speaker 2>this case. And the other thing that we really need

0:37:07.725 --> 0:37:11.765
<v Speaker 2>in this case is because we've been hearing for years

0:37:11.805 --> 0:37:14.845
<v Speaker 2>that the last time Ayisha was seen was on November fourth,

0:37:14.845 --> 0:37:17.645
<v Speaker 2>and that's in the original police report, we need the

0:37:17.685 --> 0:37:21.165
<v Speaker 2>public to know that is incorrect. The last time that

0:37:21.245 --> 0:37:24.365
<v Speaker 2>Ayisha was seen alive that we know of was October

0:37:24.445 --> 0:37:29.005
<v Speaker 2>thirty first, twenty twenty. That's the crucial time period. If

0:37:29.085 --> 0:37:32.485
<v Speaker 2>you know of anyone who was around in El Dorado

0:37:32.685 --> 0:37:35.485
<v Speaker 2>near Ayisha or any of her friends and family on

0:37:35.525 --> 0:37:39.805
<v Speaker 2>October twenty first to November two, twenty twenty, we want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from you the last picture that we have

0:37:43.205 --> 0:37:47.565
<v Speaker 2>of Ayisha is Aisha in her purge costume posing with

0:37:47.765 --> 0:37:51.605
<v Speaker 2>her girlfriends at the gas station. She looked like everything

0:37:51.725 --> 0:37:54.125
<v Speaker 2>was fine and she was looking forward to a night out.

0:37:54.285 --> 0:37:55.765
<v Speaker 1>And you may remember from last.

0:37:55.525 --> 0:37:58.925
<v Speaker 2>Week one of Ayisha's girlfriends said that William was talking

0:37:58.965 --> 0:38:02.125
<v Speaker 2>about going to Houston. He wanted her the friend to

0:38:02.205 --> 0:38:05.725
<v Speaker 2>go with him and Ayisha to Houston. The friend said no,

0:38:06.485 --> 0:38:09.645
<v Speaker 2>and she said on social media William was acting weird

0:38:09.685 --> 0:38:15.205
<v Speaker 2>about that. So what really happened after Ayisha, William and

0:38:15.205 --> 0:38:19.685
<v Speaker 2>Shaquila left Ayisha's other girlfriends. What happened next? Did they

0:38:19.765 --> 0:38:21.805
<v Speaker 2>go back to Stuart Avenue? At any point to William

0:38:21.805 --> 0:38:25.925
<v Speaker 2>and Shaquilla's house. There was a neighbor on Stuart Avenue

0:38:26.285 --> 0:38:29.605
<v Speaker 2>who was making posts on Halloween knight, and we know

0:38:29.685 --> 0:38:31.845
<v Speaker 2>that this neighbor was having a party. Now, these are

0:38:31.885 --> 0:38:35.445
<v Speaker 2>small houses, they're very close to each other. There's no fences,

0:38:35.845 --> 0:38:37.285
<v Speaker 2>So if there was a party going on at the

0:38:37.325 --> 0:38:41.605
<v Speaker 2>neighbors it seems likely that someone would have seen Aisha round.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to talk to those people. We need to

0:38:44.365 --> 0:38:47.045
<v Speaker 2>know if she really went to that party, did she

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<v Speaker 2>go to Houston? What really happened to Aisha? On Halloween

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<v Speaker 2>night and in the early morning hours of November First.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Catherine Townsend. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen

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