Speaker 1: School of Humans.
Speaker 2: On October thirty first, twenty twenty, twenty, two year old
Speaker 2: Aisha Jackson went out to a Halloween party. Before she left,
Speaker 2: she talked to her mom, Liquida, and then she got
Speaker 2: into a costume and went out with a couple of
Speaker 2: her girlfriends. Ayisha was also with her aunt, Shequila, and
Speaker 2: her uncle, William Parker Junior, who goes by the nickname
Speaker 2: Thuga Man. Aisha was living on South Roselawn in Eldoredo, Arkansas,
Speaker 2: but she had had a few break ins in her
Speaker 2: home recently, so because of that, she had been staying
Speaker 2: on and off with her uncle William and his wife,
Speaker 2: Shequila in their home, which was a few minutes away
Speaker 2: on Stewart Avenue. Aisha had mentioned going with William and
Speaker 2: Shequila to Houston on November first. William and Shequila had
Speaker 2: been living in Texas. They were in the process of
Speaker 2: moving back to Eldredo, so Shequila and William were supposedly
Speaker 2: going to move some furniture out of their apartment in
Speaker 2: Houston and into a storage unit there. Aisha usually stayed
Speaker 2: in constant touch with her mom, Liquita. They talked multiple
Speaker 2: times per day, but on November one, twenty twenty, Ayisha
Speaker 2: went radio silent. Liquita was able to reach her brother
Speaker 2: William now. At first, William told Liquita that Ayisha was sleeping.
Speaker 2: Liquida kept calling Ayisha's phone, and her daughter never answered.
Speaker 2: She finally reached William again at around nine pm that
Speaker 2: night on November first. He told Liquita that Aisha had
Speaker 2: gone on the Houston trip with him in Shequila, but
Speaker 2: that he had already dropped Ayisha back at her home.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Liquita thought this was weird because since the break ends again,
Speaker 2: Aisha was afraid of being home by herself. Liquita wondered
Speaker 2: why would Aisha not stay with her aunt and uncle
Speaker 2: at their house. Why would she go home by herself
Speaker 2: after dark. Liquita spent that night tossing and turning. At
Speaker 2: around nine am on the morning of November two, she
Speaker 2: and Ayisha's brother, Jaiques, who was in high school at
Speaker 2: the time, and Liquita's husband, Freddy, got in the car
Speaker 2: and drove over to Ayisha's house on South Roselawn. They
Speaker 2: found the door cracked open, and when they went in,
Speaker 2: the inside of Ayisha's house was in total disarray. Ayisha's
Speaker 2: dog was out of the kennel. Her stuff was thrown around,
Speaker 2: but nothing was really stolen. Her purse and wallet and
Speaker 2: medication were all there, but Ayisha Jackson was gone.
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Townsend.
Speaker 2: If you have a case you'd like me and my
Speaker 2: team to look into, you can reach out to us
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Speaker 1: That six seven, eight seven four four, six, one four
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Speaker 2: This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Last week we mentioned
Speaker 2: that Ayisha had recently reported a break in at her home.
Speaker 2: There is a police report that we've gotten, and in
Speaker 2: a case where there's no sign of the missing person,
Speaker 2: there's no body and no real crime scene, at least
Speaker 2: not yet, it's very important to take a look at
Speaker 2: the physical evidence that we do have and to really
Speaker 2: try to go in depth into it. We need to
Speaker 2: figure out could the person who broke into Ayisha's home
Speaker 2: have anything to do with her disappearance. Ayisha called the
Speaker 2: police on October twenty six, twenty twenty, just five days
Speaker 2: before she vanished. Officer Tyler Walker of the Eldoredo Police
Speaker 2: Department took that call just after one twenty am on
Speaker 2: the report. It states that Ayisha told Officer Walker that
Speaker 2: she came home on October twenty third, a few days earlier,
Speaker 2: and found that someone had been inside her house. She
Speaker 2: said nothing had really been stolen, except for some food
Speaker 2: from the refrigerator, which she estimated was about two hundred
Speaker 2: dollars worth of food. Aisha said the drawers in her
Speaker 2: bedroom had been ransacked, but she said she didn't notice
Speaker 2: anything missing from there now. At this time, she tells
Speaker 2: the officer that she believed that a man that she knew,
Speaker 2: a man named Samaji, was responsible for this theft. Remember,
Speaker 2: Samaji was a twenty three year old man whom Aisha
Speaker 2: had been casually dating. She had recently gotten out of
Speaker 2: a long term relationship, and she and Samaji had stopped
Speaker 2: seeing each other shortly before she disappeared. But I wonder
Speaker 2: whether it was Samaji or not, whoever broke in, what
Speaker 2: were they looking for in those drawers?
Speaker 1: Later, I do find a possible clue.
Speaker 2: I've seen screenshots of Ayisha's Facebook messenger. She sent a
Speaker 2: message to a friend after that break in, saying she
Speaker 2: noticed that a gun that she had kept hidden in
Speaker 2: her underwear drawer had been stolen as well. She said
Speaker 2: she didn't even really know how to use a gun. Basically,
Speaker 2: almost no one knew that she had it in there,
Speaker 2: so she wondered who would have known to look for
Speaker 2: it there and to take it out of that drawer.
Speaker 2: I've also heard rumors about someone else who knew Ayisha
Speaker 2: stealing a bag of drugs and potentially stashing the bag
Speaker 2: of drugs in her home, but that's just a rumor
Speaker 2: at this point. I have no idea if there's any
Speaker 2: truth to that. Back to the police report. In that
Speaker 2: police report, the officer noted that Aisha suspected that Samaji
Speaker 2: may be responsible for the break in. I'm noticing this
Speaker 2: is a slightly different story from what we've heard in
Speaker 2: the past. Last week, we mentioned that Ayisha's grandmother, Ernestine,
Speaker 2: told reporters after Ayisha went missing that Aisha had come
Speaker 2: home and walked in on two guys at her apartment.
Speaker 2: Her grandmother said Aisha had definitely recognized one of those
Speaker 2: people as Samaji. We're not sure why those stories don't match.
Speaker 2: We don't know if maybe Aisha might have had reservations
Speaker 2: about getting Samaji in trouble, or maybe she was afraid
Speaker 2: to give the police a definite ID, but she did
Speaker 2: tell the officer his name, and I just think it's
Speaker 2: an important distinction to note that in that police report,
Speaker 2: she said she believed it was him, not that she
Speaker 2: was absolutely certain it was him, not that she walked
Speaker 2: in and busted him in her place. After Ayisha reported
Speaker 2: this break in, she was put on the special patrol
Speaker 2: list by the Eldreeda Police department.
Speaker 1: This meant that a.
Speaker 2: Patrol car was supposed to make some extra trips and
Speaker 2: cruised by her house. Despite that fact, when Laquita contacted
Speaker 2: police on November two about Ayisha being missing, police told
Speaker 2: her she would have to wait to follow that report, which,
Speaker 2: as we discussed last.
Speaker 1: Week, is completely incorrect.
Speaker 2: You do not have to wait forty two or seventy
Speaker 2: two or some magic number of hours to report someone missing.
Speaker 2: Liquita kept calling the police, but it was November fifth
Speaker 2: before police finally started investigating. Liquida spent days trying to
Speaker 2: get someone, anyone to listen and to take her seriously.
Speaker 2: And even after Ayisha was officially reported missing and police
Speaker 2: had gone to her home, they still didn't take some
Speaker 2: basic steps like securing the home treating it as a
Speaker 2: crime scene. They also did not take Ayisha's cell phone.
Speaker 2: This cell phone is going to become a big part
Speaker 2: of this mystery because remember Laquita told us on November two,
Speaker 2: she went to Ayisha's apartment. While she and Jacques were
Speaker 2: in there, they noticed that Ayisha's phone was there, plugged
Speaker 2: into its charger. Liquita said that Shaquila, William's wife took
Speaker 2: the phone from her. According to Laquita, Shaquilla did this
Speaker 2: because she believed that one of her children would be
Speaker 2: able to guess Ayisha's password, but apparently they couldn't, at
Speaker 2: least that's the story Liquita was told. So after that,
Speaker 2: Liquita was locked out of her daughter's phone. Police did
Speaker 2: eventually take Ayisha's phone, but that was several days later,
Speaker 2: after November fifth, when she was officially reported missing. So
Speaker 2: here's the weird part because during that time period between
Speaker 2: the last time when Ayisha was seen alive on October
Speaker 2: thirty first, and when the police took control of that
Speaker 2: phone several days later after November fifth, I have heard
Speaker 2: that there were text messages coming from Ayisha's phone. Ayisha's
Speaker 2: grandmother said that she made a FaceTime call on November
Speaker 2: third and that she saw Ayisha in the background when
Speaker 2: she made that call, but that's never been confirmed. Another
Speaker 2: friend wrote on Facebook that Ayisha was liking reacting to
Speaker 2: her posts on November fourth, So if that's true and
Speaker 2: Ayisha was gone, how is that possible? Who was reacting
Speaker 2: to those posts? How did that happen? As we said
Speaker 2: last week, there were tips coming in about Aisha once
Speaker 2: she was officially reported missing. But I think it's really
Speaker 2: important to take a step back and ask ourselves where
Speaker 2: these tips were coming from. Remember last week, Liquida and
Speaker 2: Jacques ah his brother, said they were suspicious of William
Speaker 2: and Shequila. Jacques said that when he and his mother
Speaker 2: pulled into Ayisha's driveway on November tewod right before they
Speaker 2: found that cell phone plugged into the charger in Ayisha's
Speaker 2: house ransacked, they noticed that Shaquila had pulled in.
Speaker 1: Right behind them.
Speaker 2: Jacques and Laqueda both said that they thought it was
Speaker 2: a little bit of a red flag that Shaquila was
Speaker 2: so emotional. They believed maybe a little overly emotional. Now,
Speaker 2: of course, this is Ayisha's aunt, and everyone handles grief
Speaker 2: and shock differently. But I can say, as someone who's
Speaker 2: done this for a long time, I do notice that
Speaker 2: sometimes in cases you will see someone who seems to
Speaker 2: show a lot of emotion. They add a lot of
Speaker 2: drama to a scene, but don't necessarily help that much.
Speaker 2: You may remember from last week that Jacques talked about
Speaker 2: the fact Ayisha's family got a tip that Ayisha was
Speaker 2: buried in a shallow gray in Strong, Arkansas. So, according
Speaker 2: to Laquita's high school friend Rena, who has been helping
Speaker 2: her with her daughter's case for the last couple of years,
Speaker 2: in early December, Shaquila made a Facebook live asking the
Speaker 2: public for help missing for a month, over a month
Speaker 2: like like this need like we need.
Speaker 1: Help, help like.
Speaker 2: Shaquilla was very emotional in this Facebook live. She has
Speaker 2: taken it down since, but she was basically begging the
Speaker 2: public for help.
Speaker 1: She said she wanted anyone.
Speaker 2: With a four wheeler or a vehicle that could help
Speaker 2: her search to come to the woods near Strong. She
Speaker 2: said Aisha had been missing for a month, and she
Speaker 2: begged for help. She kept saying, she's been gone a month.
Speaker 2: In four days, what are y'all doing talking about the
Speaker 2: police department? Now, I've replayed this message over and over
Speaker 2: because I notice that la later says publicly on national
Speaker 2: television that the last time she saw Ayisha was on
Speaker 2: November third, which would have been a month and three days. Now.
Speaker 2: This seems like a small discrepancy, but as you'll see,
Speaker 2: this timeline and getting it right is absolutely crucial. In
Speaker 2: this FaceTime live, Shaquila mentions that Ayisha was in love
Speaker 2: with white boys. She says something about white boys taking
Speaker 2: Ayisha out of her house. It seems likely she's referring
Speaker 2: to Ayisha's long term ex boyfriend, who was white, because
Speaker 2: Ayisha had very recently broken up with his person Jacques
Speaker 2: talked last week about Ayisha's long term boyfriend. He said
Speaker 2: this guy completely loved Ayisha, that he was very cooperative,
Speaker 2: that he had an alibi, and that he helped search
Speaker 2: for her. And there's never been any suggestion that this
Speaker 2: ex could have been involved with Aisha's.
Speaker 1: Disappearance at all.
Speaker 2: Ayisha's own family said that the guy Ayisha suspected of
Speaker 2: being in her home was not her ex boyfriend, but
Speaker 2: was Samaji, who was black. According to her family, she
Speaker 2: had been seeing Samaji casually shortly before she disappeared. I'm
Speaker 2: just flagging this up because I'm wondering why this statement
Speaker 2: was made by Shaquila about a white guy supposedly taking
Speaker 2: Ayisha out of her home. It seems to kind of
Speaker 2: come out of the blue. On November eighth, twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: a witness was out in the woods. I don't want
Speaker 2: to say exactly what this person was doing or give
Speaker 2: their name because they are very afraid of retribution from
Speaker 2: the people they saw. And honestly, I can understand why.
Speaker 1: This witness saw a car pull up.
Speaker 2: They saw two men get out of that car and
Speaker 2: pop the trunk and then pull a bulky item that
Speaker 2: was wrapped in a blanket out of that trunk. The
Speaker 2: driver of the car, who the witness could not see,
Speaker 2: then drove down the road, leaving the two men alone.
Speaker 2: The two men took that bulky object wrapped in a
Speaker 2: blanket and walked into the woods. Then a little while later,
Speaker 2: after this car dropped these two men off in the woods,
Speaker 2: this witness said they saw the same vehicle come back, pick.
Speaker 1: Up the two men, and leave the area.
Speaker 2: While this witness observed the two men take the item
Speaker 2: from the trunk and go into the woods, they said
Speaker 2: that they were scared. They were completely quiet, and they
Speaker 2: told their children who were with them to stay completely quiet.
Speaker 2: This person was scared of what those men could be
Speaker 2: doing out there, and over the next few weeks, even
Speaker 2: though he had been really freaked out, he told himself
Speaker 2: maybe he'd blown it out of proportion in his mind.
Speaker 2: Then you may remember from last week in December of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, Samaji, the twenty three year old man whom
Speaker 2: Aisha had been dating casually, was arrested and police were
Speaker 2: filing charges of capital murder and kidnapping against him. This
Speaker 2: witness saw this on the news about Samaji being arrested.
Speaker 2: He got very scared because he thought there could be
Speaker 2: a chance that maybe he had seen something related Diaisha's disappearance,
Speaker 2: and maybe the thing that those guys had been moving
Speaker 2: out in the woods that day was a body. So
Speaker 2: he called the police and told them about what he saw.
Speaker 2: Police did come to the area and they did search
Speaker 2: for a few hours. This witness believed they found a shirt,
Speaker 2: but we have no idea whose shirt it was, whether
Speaker 2: it was sent into evidence, or if it was in
Speaker 2: any way connected Diaisha's case. In the end, like so
Speaker 2: many leads in this case, it turned out to be
Speaker 2: seemingly yet another dead end. At different points in the investigation,
Speaker 2: it did start to seem to certain members of Ayisha's family,
Speaker 2: like Shaquila and William, were trying to point fingers in
Speaker 2: certain directions, first toward the long term X and later
Speaker 2: towards Sumaji. Then on December thirteenth, twenty twenty, police announced
Speaker 2: they made another arrest in the case, a man named
Speaker 2: Kenneth Lee. We talked about this last week, how Kenneth
Speaker 2: Lee was charged with extortion.
Speaker 1: Basically what happened was he said he had.
Speaker 2: Information about Aysha's case, but he said he would only
Speaker 2: give it to the family if they paid him eight
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. It turned out this information was a lie.
Speaker 2: He had made up a story. The whole thing was basically.
Speaker 1: A scam to get money.
Speaker 2: But that's not the whole story because it turns out
Speaker 2: that the chain of events that led to Kenneth's arrests
Speaker 2: also involved Ayisha's uncle, William Parker. So again we need
Speaker 2: to take a look at how this all went down now.
Speaker 2: According to police records, on just number twelfth, Kenneth Lee
Speaker 2: saw William on the.
Speaker 1: Side of the road. He pulled over.
Speaker 2: He told William he had information about Aisha, but he
Speaker 2: said it would cost her family eight thousand dollars. Now
Speaker 2: at that point, according to the police report, William said
Speaker 2: he would try to get the money together.
Speaker 1: So they made a plan.
Speaker 2: William would make some calls about the money and call
Speaker 2: Kenneth back, which he did, and that night they met
Speaker 2: up on the side of the road. William got into
Speaker 2: Kenneth's car. But what Kenneth didn't know was that William
Speaker 2: was wearing a wire a video camera the Elderrated Police
Speaker 2: Department had given him. This also seems strange to me,
Speaker 2: by the way, because this all happened within a twenty
Speaker 2: four hour period. This seems very quick to go to
Speaker 2: the police, tell him you have a potential tip and
Speaker 2: get wired up and get approval to be wired up.
Speaker 2: So I do wonder how did that happen so fast?
Speaker 2: Is it possible William was already working with the police
Speaker 2: in some capacity. So anyway, now Kenneth and William were
Speaker 2: sitting in the car on the side of the road.
Speaker 2: Kenneth called this other party who supposedly had the information.
Speaker 2: That person picked up the phone and said that they
Speaker 2: had overheard Samaji tell two other guys that he Samaji
Speaker 2: had paid ten thousand dollars to kidnap Aisha, and the
Speaker 2: reason he did this, according to this third party, was
Speaker 2: because Ayisha had been stealing methamphetamine from him, and he
Speaker 2: allegedly had video of Aisha stealing methamphetamine from his stash
Speaker 2: of drugs he kept at home. So this person said
Speaker 2: Samaji had killed Aisha by hitting her over the head
Speaker 2: several times with a hammer. Then Samaji supposedly took Ayisha's body,
Speaker 2: traveled to a deer camp off Highway sixty three and
Speaker 2: buried her body in a shallow grave. William caught everything
Speaker 2: that happened on this video camera and after he finished
Speaker 2: up with Kenneth, he went straight to the Eldoredo Police department.
Speaker 2: He gave them the recording device and after that Kenneth
Speaker 2: was arrested. Police, also, by the way, contacted this third
Speaker 2: person who William and Kenneth were talking to on the phone.
Speaker 2: The person basically told police the whole thing had been
Speaker 2: a scam. He said, yes, he had made the call,
Speaker 2: but he said Kenneth had set the whole thing up.
Speaker 2: This person said Kenneth had come to them and said
Speaker 2: they could make some easy money by selling the information
Speaker 2: to Ayesha's family. Now we said the last week this
Speaker 2: whole thing was just a hoax. But I think it's
Speaker 2: very interesting that it didn't just come out of thin air. Again,
Speaker 2: this was information that William was connected to that he
Speaker 2: brought the police. As we said last week, the extortion
Speaker 2: charges against Kenneth were later dropped and the charges against
Speaker 2: Samaji were dropped as well. As the weeks and months
Speaker 2: went on and this became more of a cold case.
Speaker 2: What seems to have happened here is, unfortunately what happens
Speaker 2: in so many cases. The family appears to be divided.
Speaker 2: So on the one side you have jack Ques and Liquida,
Speaker 2: and then on the other side you have people who
Speaker 2: may be supporting William. Some of this could be because
Speaker 2: some people don't want to believe it's possible for a
Speaker 2: family member to have done anything like this, And I'm
Speaker 2: just speculating here, but people could be scared William does
Speaker 2: have a criminal background, and given William's prior arrests, in
Speaker 2: the fact that a lot of them were for drugs,
Speaker 2: some people wondered what actually happened on the road to Houston.
Speaker 2: Was furniture the real reason why they made that trip,
Speaker 2: or could there have been something else possibly some kind
Speaker 2: of drug deal going on. Let's get into William Parker
Speaker 2: Junior's criminal history. We know he had several convictions related
Speaker 2: to drug charges in the past, and he's encountered some
Speaker 2: dangerous situations. Back in twenty thirteen, when he was thirty
Speaker 2: years old, the Eldedo News Times reported William was almost
Speaker 2: murdered during an alleged drug deal gone wrong. The newspaper
Speaker 2: quoted an arrest affidavit and said William testified that he
Speaker 2: went to a residence to make a drug deal. He
Speaker 2: said when he went inside, he was shot multiple times.
Speaker 2: When police went to the hospital in Little Rock where
Speaker 2: William was having surgery on his john stomach, they interviewed
Speaker 2: him and he was able to identify the three men
Speaker 2: who he said shot him, but later he retracted that statement.
Speaker 2: He said, yes, the three guys he mentioned were at
Speaker 2: the residence when he was there, but he said he
Speaker 2: was shot by an unidentified man and he had been
Speaker 2: shot from behind, so he couldn't tell who did it.
Speaker 2: So the three alleged shooters got off lightly. One got
Speaker 2: probation because of a past robbery conviction. The charges against
Speaker 2: the other two were dismissed completely. William has been involved
Speaker 2: with some dangerous people, and he's allegedly been involved in
Speaker 2: some much darker things. Since Aisha's disappearance, William has been
Speaker 2: arrested and charge was sexual assault, including sexual indecency with
Speaker 2: a child. He's not the only man in Ayisha's life
Speaker 2: that has had these types of charges filed against him.
Speaker 2: In September of twenty twenty three, Samaji, the man who
Speaker 2: I usual had been dating, was also charged with sexual
Speaker 2: indecency with a child and second degree sexual assault. I've
Speaker 2: read the arrest Afi David, and these charges are extremely disturbing.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to invade the victim's privacy, but I
Speaker 2: will say the alleged incident took place late in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two and it involved an eight year old girl.
Speaker 2: She said she was at home with some other children
Speaker 2: and Samaji told the other children to go to bed
Speaker 2: and then asked her if she wanted to say her ABC's.
Speaker 2: Then she said he said he would give her a
Speaker 2: prize if she finished. She told the interviewer that after that,
Speaker 2: Samaji put a blindfold on her, grabbed her sleeve and
Speaker 2: put her hand.
Speaker 1: On his penis.
Speaker 2: Now, this case and William's case are both still making
Speaker 2: their ways through the court system, but these charges are horrifying.
Speaker 2: And I'm pointing this out because none of this proves
Speaker 2: that William or Samaji had anything to do with Aisha's disappearance.
Speaker 2: But from the standpoint of a police investigator, they have
Speaker 2: to notice there was more than one man in Aisha
Speaker 2: Jackson's orbit who had a potentially violent criminal record and
Speaker 2: drug charges and sexual assault charges. We know that in
Speaker 2: Samaji's case, he was obviously a person of interest from
Speaker 2: the beginning, but as the case moved forward, police found
Speaker 2: no evidence to tie him to Aisha's disappearance. The only
Speaker 2: clue they had seemed to be the fact that Ayisha
Speaker 2: suspected him of being inside her house when she wasn't there.
Speaker 1: But they had no dispute that.
Speaker 2: We know of or any animal, And from what we know,
Speaker 2: Samaji was not around Aisha on Halloween night. Given Williams
Speaker 2: past and the fact that he and Shaquila were the
Speaker 2: last known people to see Ayishaw live, a lot of
Speaker 2: people wondered why he wasn't considered, at the minimum a
Speaker 2: person of interest, which brings us back to this trip
Speaker 2: to Houston, because police said early on they verified that
Speaker 2: Ayisha was in Houston with a family member, but later Rena,
Speaker 2: Laquita's friend communicated via email and I've seen those emails.
Speaker 2: She was emailing an officer who admitted police could not
Speaker 2: verify Ayisha's location after October thirty. First, did Aisha ever
Speaker 2: really go to Houston? Did she ever really leave Arkansas? So,
Speaker 2: as Jacques, Liquita and the rest of the family are
Speaker 2: hearing these rumors going around, one of the big things
Speaker 2: that Jacques wanted was for William and Shaquila to volunte
Speaker 2: harrily take light detector tests to as Jacques put it clear.
Speaker 1: Their names.
Speaker 2: So Jacques was kind of calling out Shaquila on social media.
Speaker 2: Then he said she put a post on her Facebook page.
Speaker 2: She said what y'all don't know is basically, we did
Speaker 2: go to the police and take a lot of detector
Speaker 2: test and passed.
Speaker 1: But Jacques said that post was later removed.
Speaker 2: After months had gone by and he wasn't getting any
Speaker 2: answers from police.
Speaker 1: Jacques said he was desperate for help.
Speaker 2: He contacted several shows, including the Steve Wilcost Show. So
Speaker 2: quick side note for people who have not seen this show.
Speaker 2: Steve Wilcos is a former law enforcement officer, and he
Speaker 2: was also Jerry Springer's bodyguard on the Jerry Springer Show.
Speaker 2: So over the years Steve kind of became a character
Speaker 2: in his own right. He's got this very blunt persona
Speaker 2: and a big part of his show is taking people
Speaker 2: and giving them light detector tests, and the tone of
Speaker 2: the show is much than Jerry Springer.
Speaker 1: You have people who are.
Speaker 2: Accusing family members of molestation, theft, murder, really everything under
Speaker 2: the sun. William was not on the show, but Shaquila
Speaker 2: agreed to appear and to go on the show and
Speaker 2: take a lot of detector test. The show aired on
Speaker 2: November first, twenty twenty three. The title of the show
Speaker 2: was I Want my Sister Back Dead or Alive. Now, yes,
Speaker 2: this is a talk show, it is entertainment, but I
Speaker 2: really applaud Jaquez here because, in my opinion, this was
Speaker 2: a pretty ingenious way of getting Shaquila to talk to
Speaker 2: people about what happened on the record and in whatever
Speaker 2: roundabout way to get a light of detector test. It's
Speaker 2: always a good idea in cases like this to keep
Speaker 2: people talking because sooner or later, I believe most of
Speaker 2: them will trip up. Having a record of those contradictions
Speaker 2: is what can ultimately break a case, and that's why
Speaker 2: I go so in depth into all these details.
Speaker 1: So I've seen the show. Jacques appears first.
Speaker 2: He talks about Ayisha, and he said that Shaquila, in
Speaker 2: his opinion, had been, in his words, giving us the
Speaker 2: run around for years. He said, point blank he thinks
Speaker 2: that his AUNTI Shaquila, had something to do with the
Speaker 2: disappearance of Aisha, or at least he said, he believes
Speaker 2: she knows more than she's saying. And you really feel
Speaker 2: for Jaques when you watch this because he explains how
Speaker 2: after his sister disappeared, he was bullied at school. People
Speaker 2: were saying he was weird. Some of them even alleged
Speaker 2: he had something to do with Ayisha's disappearance. Jacques started
Speaker 2: to wonder about the LA detector test because he said
Speaker 2: Shaquila had posted on Facebook that she had taken one
Speaker 2: and passed it. Jacques called the police detective who was
Speaker 2: working the case, and he says that the police told
Speaker 2: him this was not true, that William and Shaquila had
Speaker 2: not taken light of detector tests. So on the show,
Speaker 2: Jaques confronts her about this lat of detector test.
Speaker 1: Kuila comes out she's very angry.
Speaker 2: She says she's not a monster, she loved Ayisha and
Speaker 2: this is all false accusations against her. At that moment,
Speaker 2: all hell basically broke loose. Jacques and Shaequila started physically fighting.
Speaker 2: He was screaming at her, he was shaking and asking if.
Speaker 1: She had something to do with it.
Speaker 2: Steve Wilcos asked her about what happened on the day
Speaker 2: when Aisha went missing.
Speaker 1: Her reply was very interesting because.
Speaker 2: She says, quote November three, to be exact, we first
Speaker 2: went to Houston to move some stuff out of my
Speaker 2: old apartment because I was getting ready to get back
Speaker 2: to Arkansas. We put the stuff into storage, and we
Speaker 2: came back to Arkansas, dropped her off at home. I
Speaker 2: walked her in, and me and Thugaman meaning William gave
Speaker 2: her some decorations and stuff end quote. So she told
Speaker 2: Steve Wilcost they were the last two people to see
Speaker 2: her alive. She said she didn't have the slightest idea
Speaker 2: what happened to Ayisha, and that she wanted to be
Speaker 2: on the show so they could find out what happened
Speaker 2: to her and also to clear her name. So a
Speaker 2: couple of things are interesting about this First of all,
Speaker 2: she says November three, but Laquita insists that they were
Speaker 2: all at the home on November two, So how could
Speaker 2: the trip to Houston have taken place on November third?
Speaker 2: And if it did, why didn't Aisha answer the phone
Speaker 2: between November one and November third?
Speaker 1: What was going on during that time?
Speaker 2: Someone is wrong about these dates and the police are
Speaker 2: not exploring these contradictions. Shaquila did admit that she did
Speaker 2: not take a lot detector test, so at least that
Speaker 2: was cleared up.
Speaker 1: She said police told.
Speaker 2: Her and William they didn't need to take one because
Speaker 2: they were not suspects. Jaques then asked, well, okay, if
Speaker 2: he didn't take a lot of detector test, why did
Speaker 2: you make a Facebook post saying you had. She says
Speaker 2: she didn't make that post, so again another contradiction that
Speaker 2: needs to be explored. Shaquilla says some other interesting and
Speaker 2: in my opinion, potentially revealing things whi she's on stage.
Speaker 2: I would actually love to see the rest of the tape,
Speaker 2: the part of these interviews that did not make it
Speaker 2: to error, but I don't know if that'll ever happen.
Speaker 2: The other interesting part was when Steve Wilcos asked Shaquilla
Speaker 2: if she thought William could have had anything to do
Speaker 2: with it. She said, quote, at the time we dropped
Speaker 2: her off, no, now if he doubled.
Speaker 1: Back, I can't speak to that end quote.
Speaker 2: So she's saying right there that in her mind, it's
Speaker 2: possible that William did go back to Aisha's home and
Speaker 2: do something to her. Steve Wilcos asked her what made
Speaker 2: her change her mind about William and think he could
Speaker 2: have had something to do with it. She talked about
Speaker 2: stuff she found out. What did she mean there?
Speaker 1: And she said.
Speaker 2: Basically that the stuff was accusations of sexual assault.
Speaker 1: Because it turned out that Shaquila.
Speaker 2: Believed that her husband, William, may have sexually assaulted Aisha,
Speaker 2: his own niece. So now we're hearing this bombshell news
Speaker 2: that there was an accusation that William had sexually assaulted Aisha.
Speaker 2: On the show, Shaquilla said that she and William were
Speaker 2: not together anymore. The whole timeline of their relationship is
Speaker 2: a little bit unclear because according to court records, Shaquilla
Speaker 2: filed for divorce on March first, twenty nineteen, so more
Speaker 2: than a year before Ayisha went missing. The divorce was
Speaker 2: finalized in early twenty twenty, So it does seem like
Speaker 2: they were on and off for a while, but family
Speaker 2: members say that William and Shequilla were together at the
Speaker 2: time Aisha disappeared. Like many people, I'm wondering what exactly
Speaker 2: did Shaquilla.
Speaker 1: Know and when did she know it.
Speaker 2: After all that drama, Steve Wilkos came out with his
Speaker 2: envelope and he revealed the results of Shaquila's law detector test. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously I just want to say these results are not
Speaker 2: admissible in court, and there's a good reason for that.
Speaker 2: And with this test, we don't know who administered it.
Speaker 2: The reliability of these tests is really dependent on the
Speaker 2: skill of the operator. So I am not saying in
Speaker 2: any way this is one hundred percent certain, but it
Speaker 2: is interesting. By the way, when Steve asked Shaquilla who
Speaker 2: she thought was responsible for Aisha's disappearance, she said she
Speaker 2: thought it was one of Ayisha's boyfriends. So the first
Speaker 2: question that the lie detector test ash Shequilla was were
Speaker 2: you involved in the disappearance of Ayisha Jackson? She said no,
Speaker 2: and they determined that she was telling the truth. Then
Speaker 2: the second question was do you know for sure who
Speaker 2: is involved in the disappearance of Ayisha Jackson. She said no,
Speaker 2: and the results were that she did not tell the truth. Now,
Speaker 2: after that result was read, all hell broke loose again.
Speaker 2: Jacques was crying and looked like he was trying to
Speaker 2: fight his ann again.
Speaker 1: You could just see the devastation and it was genuine.
Speaker 2: I know people say that sometimes these shows are fake,
Speaker 2: but this was absolutely genuine. After that, Shaquila seems like
Speaker 2: she's kind of trying to explain how that result happened.
Speaker 2: She said she started to have suspicions about William because
Speaker 2: she saw a video, a video where William allegedly admitted
Speaker 2: that he essayed someone. Essay, by the way, means sexual assault.
Speaker 2: I wonder if she's talking about a TikTok video, because
Speaker 2: this TikTok video put a shocking twist in this case.
Speaker 2: The person who made it, Rob, was an old friend
Speaker 2: of Rena's who got involved with.
Speaker 1: The case and was trying to help.
Speaker 2: And as part of this TikTok, Rob put up a
Speaker 2: conversation that Rena had with the mayor of Elddo, Arkansas,
Speaker 2: Paul Choate, on February first, twenty twenty three, just a
Speaker 2: little bit of background on that Rena had been asking
Speaker 2: the mayor for months to meet with her. He finally
Speaker 2: agreed and she took her friend Joanna and another person
Speaker 2: with her, so three people were present when this conversation
Speaker 2: took place. Rena recorded it and later she passed it
Speaker 2: on to Rob Now. In this TikTok video, Rob mentions
Speaker 2: that a police detective assigned to the case allegedly said
Speaker 2: that Ayisha's uncle had essayed her in the past, meaning
Speaker 2: sexually assaulted, and that it could be proven.
Speaker 1: But they also supposedly said.
Speaker 2: They weren't really looking into William because his alibi sounded credible.
Speaker 2: The Eldado mayor told Rena that if she keeps pushing
Speaker 2: the police department, if they expose potential mistakes they made,
Speaker 2: that they're going to get frozen out and they need
Speaker 2: to drop it.
Speaker 4: I should be able to say this department did not
Speaker 4: follow the correct policy and procedure and we shouldn't try
Speaker 4: to cover that.
Speaker 2: You will alienate yourself from any communication with police Clarks.
Speaker 4: What do you mean if that's us let out that
Speaker 4: they that they had not followed properly. Okay, but that's
Speaker 4: still not But it's the truth. So you tell me
Speaker 4: stick to facts. That's a fact.
Speaker 2: Go and see what happens.
Speaker 4: Mean, but do what and see what I can do?
Speaker 4: What and see what happens. If you say they're not following.
Speaker 3: If you've become accusatory, that's not accusing.
Speaker 4: That's a fact.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay.
Speaker 2: Rob makes a good point in his TikTok. He goes
Speaker 2: on to say that hundreds of thousands of young women
Speaker 2: go missing every year in the United States, a disproportionate
Speaker 2: number of Black women, and often these are the stories
Speaker 2: that get forgotten by the media.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely ridiculous that a young woman can just disappear
Speaker 3: like this and nobody gives a shit. It's even more
Speaker 3: frustrating that people who are supposed to be helping or
Speaker 3: just brushing it off and not taking it seriously. It's
Speaker 3: also worth noting a third of the almost three hundred
Speaker 3: thousand girls and women reported the missing in the US
Speaker 3: and twenty twenty we're black. If those cases often get
Speaker 3: little attention, are all but ignored by law enforcement and
Speaker 3: national news media. Ayasha's case is just one example of
Speaker 3: the many missing black women who don't get the attention
Speaker 3: they deserve.
Speaker 2: But we're not going to forget about Ayisha Jackson because
Speaker 2: at this point, her family, her mother, her brother, and
Speaker 2: everyone in the community wants answers. And I want to reiterate,
Speaker 2: neither William nor Shaquila have been charged with anything or
Speaker 2: even named people of interest by police to my knowledge.
Speaker 2: I'm really not trying to point the finger at anyone.
Speaker 2: I am trying to point out these inconsistencies because the
Speaker 2: devils in the details. These inconsistencies need to be resolved
Speaker 2: and explained, and if the police would take a closer
Speaker 2: look at them, I really believe that they could solve
Speaker 2: this case. And the other thing that we really need
Speaker 2: in this case is because we've been hearing for years
Speaker 2: that the last time Ayisha was seen was on November fourth,
Speaker 2: and that's in the original police report, we need the
Speaker 2: public to know that is incorrect. The last time that
Speaker 2: Ayisha was seen alive that we know of was October
Speaker 2: thirty first, twenty twenty. That's the crucial time period. If
Speaker 2: you know of anyone who was around in El Dorado
Speaker 2: near Ayisha or any of her friends and family on
Speaker 2: October twenty first to November two, twenty twenty, we want
Speaker 2: to hear from you the last picture that we have
Speaker 2: of Ayisha is Aisha in her purge costume posing with
Speaker 2: her girlfriends at the gas station. She looked like everything
Speaker 2: was fine and she was looking forward to a night out.
Speaker 1: And you may remember from last.
Speaker 2: Week one of Ayisha's girlfriends said that William was talking
Speaker 2: about going to Houston. He wanted her the friend to
Speaker 2: go with him and Ayisha to Houston. The friend said no,
Speaker 2: and she said on social media William was acting weird
Speaker 2: about that. So what really happened after Ayisha, William and
Speaker 2: Shaquila left Ayisha's other girlfriends. What happened next? Did they
Speaker 2: go back to Stuart Avenue? At any point to William
Speaker 2: and Shaquilla's house. There was a neighbor on Stuart Avenue
Speaker 2: who was making posts on Halloween knight, and we know
Speaker 2: that this neighbor was having a party. Now, these are
Speaker 2: small houses, they're very close to each other. There's no fences,
Speaker 2: So if there was a party going on at the
Speaker 2: neighbors it seems likely that someone would have seen Aisha round.
Speaker 2: We need to talk to those people. We need to
Speaker 2: know if she really went to that party, did she
Speaker 2: go to Houston? What really happened to Aisha? On Halloween
Speaker 2: night and in the early morning hours of November First.
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