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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to the Wednesday, March twentieth edition of

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Speaker 1: Between the Horns. Miles Simmons here across the table from DeMarco.

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Speaker 1: Far better stay across the table, okay, talking all that

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Speaker 1: trash on Twitter? What trash? I don't know. I'm just

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Speaker 1: I'm fishing. You're definitely fishing. Anyway. It is just after

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Speaker 1: eleven am Pacific time here in Agora Hills, California, where

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Speaker 1: we have two free agent signings to discuss today in

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Speaker 1: linebacker Clay Matthews and quarterback Blake Bortles. Interesting, you ever

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Speaker 1: made Shepherd's pie? No, I'm gonna make that tonight. By

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Speaker 1: the way, that's part of the menu. I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to show you that. All right, So you catch me

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Speaker 1: looking at this while we're talking. I can hear you,

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Speaker 1: and I'm with you, but I have to figure this out.

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Speaker 1: You gotta and you gotta go to the grocery store later.

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Speaker 1: I think I got everything. Okay, but this one actually

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Speaker 1: has a flaky crust on the bottom. Oh my goodness. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it sounds complicated a little bit, A little bit trying

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Speaker 1: to be that guy at the house. Okay, that's cool,

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Speaker 1: super dad. Yeah, come on now, super Dad. So first

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Speaker 1: reactions for money. So I figured if I keep serving

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Speaker 1: them good food, they'll stop asking me for money. I see. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Clay Matthews and Blade Bortles are

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Speaker 1: going to feel that way? No? Yeah, now that they

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Speaker 1: have their contracts um with the la Rams, first reactions

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Speaker 1: to both happy good stuff. Um, you know, feel bad

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Speaker 1: for Mannion, feel bad for guys that aren't here anymore,

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Speaker 1: or technically whatever. M But Blake Bortles is an upgrade

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Speaker 1: in my opinion. He's got more starting experience than Jared Goff. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you know so. I mean this is the way it

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Speaker 1: should go. When you look for veteran backup to support

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Speaker 1: the starter, you can do a lot worse than the

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Speaker 1: guy that's been the guy in Jacksonville for a while,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. I do want to start with Clay Matthews though,

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Speaker 1: because he is really coming home in a lot of

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Speaker 1: senses of the word. I saw a report last night

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Speaker 1: that said, you know, he's got a house that's minutes

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Speaker 1: from the practice facility in Thousand Oaks, and so you know,

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Speaker 1: he went to Ogora High School, which is maybe five

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Speaker 1: minutes from where we are sitting right now. You know,

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Speaker 1: He is a guy that went to USC and excelled

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Speaker 1: there as a walk on because he wanted to follow

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Speaker 1: in the footsteps of his father and his grandfather, which

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Speaker 1: I think is awesome. And so now you've got a

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Speaker 1: guy who is another older veteran guy who I don't

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Speaker 1: want to say it's ring chasing, but in a sense

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Speaker 1: a kind of it. You know, this is a fit,

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Speaker 1: not to be sure, but it also gives him a

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Speaker 1: really good chance to win with a team that has

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Speaker 1: had success. It's somewhat like the Eric Weddell signing, you know.

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Speaker 1: And now, yeah, big time, um, look like you said

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Speaker 1: right around the corner, smart, I would expect him to

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Speaker 1: ride a bike or walk to work, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's that type of guy. And this is funny. Um,

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Speaker 1: if you're a Samson ebucom, if you're a Dante Fowler,

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Speaker 1: if you're an Quo I haven't said his name in

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Speaker 1: a long time Quo. If you're one of those guys,

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Speaker 1: soak this up. If you want to learn the trade

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Speaker 1: of linebacking. This is a guy that's been brought up

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Speaker 1: in it. He was born when his when his dad

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Speaker 1: was still doing it. As a matter of fact, I

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Speaker 1: blocked his dad in nineteen ninety four. Wait, when he

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Speaker 1: was in Atlanta. He was a linebacker in Atlanta when

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Speaker 1: I was a rookie, and I think it was a

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Speaker 1: safe punt situation. Right out here in Los Angeles. He

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Speaker 1: was the first guy I ran up on where like, dude,

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Speaker 1: this guy is like, I don't want to say old,

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Speaker 1: but he's old. He's been doing this for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like the uniform, the body, it didn't match,

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Speaker 1: Marlborough man. But he's been doing this forever. So if

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Speaker 1: you want to learn everything that it takes to be

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Speaker 1: a good linebacker, the ins and outs, the discipline, watch

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Speaker 1: Clay Matthews. If you want to learn about the business

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Speaker 1: of the NFL. His family has been in professional football

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Speaker 1: since the nineteen fifties. Yeah, if you want to learn

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Speaker 1: about longevity, listen to this guy. What a treat to

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Speaker 1: have around you now, realistic expectations. You're not getting the

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Speaker 1: twenty five year old Clay Matthews. What you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: is twenty five to thirty five or forty plays, give

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Speaker 1: gonna play. He's gonna be out there playing. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: be rushing the passer. When you put your best four

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Speaker 1: he's going to be the guy. But just like in

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Speaker 1: snaps of one of the greatest linebackers pass rushing linebackers

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Speaker 1: You know. I think what's really interesting right now is

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Speaker 1: that what you just said. You have a guy who

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Speaker 1: is a veteran and you don't want to probably get

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Speaker 1: him out on the field too much, right I mean,

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Speaker 1: you think about his snap counts, which I was looking

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Speaker 1: up over the last few years that he's played. He

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Speaker 1: was he started all sixteen games for the Packers this

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Speaker 1: last year, but he was on the field seventy one

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Speaker 1: percent of the time. Perfect. You know, that's probably what

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Speaker 1: you're more in line with. And I think he still

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Speaker 1: brings a lot to the table, you know, like he said,

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Speaker 1: he's not the twenty five year old Clay Matthews that

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Speaker 1: was running out there with his hair on fire and

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Speaker 1: got State Farm commercials where you know the ladies like

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Speaker 1: knocking the plate out of his hand, you remember that.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, Yeah, good stuff. Yeah. But I

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Speaker 1: think what you do get is a guy that, as

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Speaker 1: you're saying, has the veteran presence. He can teach these

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Speaker 1: young linebackers how to do it right as a pro.

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Speaker 1: But I mean I was watching some of his tape

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Speaker 1: out in a lot of different ways. Yeah, you throw

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Speaker 1: at him if you want. He's good in coverage, he's

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Speaker 1: good and run stuffing too and away yes, and when

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Speaker 1: it comes to an obvious passing situation, no matter where

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Speaker 1: you put him, he's He's a guy that's active towards

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. Here's the thing I like him. I like

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Speaker 1: about him the best, and I think this is what

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Speaker 1: separates him from everyone else in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: He does not stay blocked watch him, no matter what rush,

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Speaker 1: whatever move, he's thrown at the guy, no matter what

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Speaker 1: the play is. When his assignment gets to him to

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Speaker 1: block him, it doesn't stay on him long. He frees himself.

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Speaker 1: He finds a way to stay free and get to

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Speaker 1: the football Yeah, that is the stuff you can't teach, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's the stuff that I think still shows up

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Speaker 1: if you're crafty enough to still do different things, you

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Speaker 1: I was seeing too, Ali with the fat hips, that's

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Speaker 1: from start to finish, like Cassius Clay all the way

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Speaker 1: through when he had the mustache and got beat up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: when his hips got wider, he got a little bit slower,

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Speaker 1: but he was still dangerous because he would set traps.

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Speaker 1: That's Clay Matthews. He's not as fast as he used

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Speaker 1: to be, or he maybe. I mean, if you put

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Speaker 1: him in in a controlled environment, he might be as fast.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you just can't play like you played

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Speaker 1: when you're twenty five years old. But pick your spots,

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Speaker 1: key situations, when you need a pressure or when you

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Speaker 1: need a play. He's the guy that's gonna make it

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Speaker 1: or force somebody else to make it, so it can

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Speaker 1: only help. And I don't mind guys that are chasing

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Speaker 1: rings especially, And we talked about this, go back and

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Speaker 1: look or listen to old between the horns. We said,

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Speaker 1: if you were going to build a club like this

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Speaker 1: or bring in free agent names like this, I'd rather

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Speaker 1: be on the defensive side than the offensive side. You

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Speaker 1: can hire mercenaries on defense. Offense. You need a program.

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Speaker 1: You have that started, so you're right on the cusp,

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Speaker 1: keep your foot on the gas and keep bringing in

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Speaker 1: more guys like this that want that West Coast one

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Speaker 1: more shot at a ring mentality. Right, And so we're

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Speaker 1: talking about Clay Matthews. He's going to be thirty three, right,

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Speaker 1: and he's got a ring before he won it with

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Speaker 1: Green Bay and was a huge part of that. But

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, just the consistency that he's shown

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Speaker 1: i'm channeling Sean McVay because this is I almost would

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Speaker 1: assume that he's going to say something like this. Right,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy who has never had a

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Speaker 1: season with fewer than three and a half sacks, right

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Speaker 1: in those three and a half sacks that came last year.

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Speaker 1: So it's the lowest number finishing crazy year in Green Bay. Yes,

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Speaker 1: coach gone, cob gone, Jordy and Nelson gone. Now Clay Matthews. Look,

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Speaker 1: he still has active got to the quarterback what twelve

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Speaker 1: quarterback hits, three and a half sacks, He's still getting there.

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Speaker 1: But there was something screwy going on in Green Back.

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Speaker 1: that year out as far as numbers, right, And he

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Speaker 1: also had seven tackles for lost last year, but if

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Speaker 1: you go back to twenty seventeen, I mean that's seven

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Speaker 1: and a half sacks, a forced fumble, eight tackles for lost,

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Speaker 1: twenty one quarterback hits, right, Yeah, And so it really

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Speaker 1: was about the same amount of playing time as well,

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Speaker 1: seventy one percent of the defensive snaps in twenty seventeen

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Speaker 1: for Clay Matthews, and really could probably say it was

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Speaker 1: more because he only played fourteen games that year. I

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Speaker 1: just think on the way over it was like, how

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Speaker 1: many guys did he just cause to get their their

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Speaker 1: ass just kicked on on game day because they're trying

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Speaker 1: to have the Clay Matthews hair, but don't have the

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Speaker 1: Clay Matthews game. If you're going to rock the main

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Speaker 1: like that you better be a bad dude. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: better be able to like get pass people and get

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Speaker 1: to the get to the passer. If you're just to

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Speaker 1: dude with long hair, you're gonna get your ass kicked,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's a lot of preseason

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Speaker 1: guys they got their teeth knocked out because they want

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Speaker 1: to look like Clay Matthews. Yeah. How much do you

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Speaker 1: think guy like Clay Matthews when he's playing, when he's

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Speaker 1: doing things in OTA's training camp as well, can help

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Speaker 1: a young offensive line that's going to be trying to

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Speaker 1: integrate new starters a lot, especially Rob Havenstein. And if

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Speaker 1: memory serves, was he there? Um? I think Clay Matthews

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Speaker 1: pretty much put an end to the Nick Falls era

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Speaker 1: as a quarterback here. Remember that game where he just

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Speaker 1: absolutely tore through his chest. Yeah, I can't remember who

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Speaker 1: was blocking him. It was it Robinson Havenstein? Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: a guy like that was twenty fifteen. That was week

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Speaker 1: four or five. It must have been week five, yeah,

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Speaker 1: or week six because Todd Gurley had one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty some rushing yards. Yeah that game, yep, And I

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Speaker 1: went in thinking, uh, Sam Shields ain't blank and then

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Speaker 1: he picked one. I'm like, okay, he's pretty good. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: Clay Matthews absolutely killed them that day. So Havenstein, Yes,

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Speaker 1: when you look at what Havenstein struggles with, it's guys

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Speaker 1: like him, these little, tricky, small lineback backers that are

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Speaker 1: just you know, quick as cat, you know what on Linoleum,

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Speaker 1: sure that can help him. Uh, same with hat you

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Speaker 1: know what. I can't say. But same with with Whitfield

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Speaker 1: jumped out, And it would have been cool if it

424
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 1: happened for a minute, but then I think after that

425
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 1: day it would have been probably not worth it. We'll see.

426
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 1: Vontez perfect you need a linebacker. You did need a linebacker.

427
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 1: He was available. I'm like, okay, the guy can definitely

428
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 1: play inside. Yeah, he's a thumper, he'll he'll know the

429
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 1: teeth out he's yeah, he's he's an aggressive type player.

430
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 1: You're being generous by calling him simply aggressive type player, very,

431
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 1: very very because Sue just left the building, right, Okay,

432
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 1: so aggressive type player and you have a need there.

433
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 1: But he's perfectly at home with the Raiders. Yeah, that fits.

434
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 1: But as far as everyone else, um, No, I think

435
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 1: you're good and you can fill in through the draft.

436
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 1: I think you've got a good blend of vets young

437
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 1: guys coming in and if you add some rookies, and

438
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 1: if you hit the top of the draft, well some

439
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 1: of these guys can come right in and be in

440
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 1: rotations immediately. So I think you're okay going in. Yeah,

441
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 1: I mean I would agree with you, And I think

442
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 1: part of that is because the Rams have set themself

443
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 1: up well by drafting apparently pretty well in the last

444
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: couple of years. I mean, you think about John Franklin

445
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,959
Speaker 1: Myers and what he was able to contribute, you know,

446
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 1: in the regular season, in the Super Bowl, being able

447
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 1: to sack Brady and things like that. He could step

448
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: into a role, say, if you want to put Brockers

449
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,959
Speaker 1: that knows I think that John Franklin Myers can come

450
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 1: out there and probably start at five technique and he

451
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 1: has the ability to do that, maybe step into that

452
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: larger role. Sebastian Joseph Day is a guy who's big,

453
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: he looks the part. We really haven't seen him on

454
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 1: the field yet because he was he was blocked basically

455
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 1: the entire year last year. So as long because you

456
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: have had you have those guys in the building already,

457
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 1: I think it's at least worth seeing if they can

458
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: step up and contribute in the way that you need

459
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: them to do. Oh yeah, yeah. This is when Sean

460
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: McVeigh leans on his coaches because we've got guys and

461
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: we need to get them ready to play. So I'm

462
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 1: looking at you, coaches, get these guys ready to play,

463
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: just like Aaron Cromer, get Joseph note Boom ready to

464
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: play exactly. So that's the way that's going to go.

465
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 1: But I think where if you're looking long range, just

466
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: team building, I think the one thing you really did

467
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 1: was kind of supplement your cornerbacks when you got to

468
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: leave and you got Peters, right, that wasn't through the draft,

469
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: that was through a different avenue. So if there's some

470
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 1: corners out there thinking of the future in the draft

471
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: that she would like that need a couple of years

472
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: or maybe a year to develop. This could be your

473
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: time to fill those those lanes out. Yes, Um, linebacker,

474
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 1: I think I think you can mention mix and match

475
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: there for a while, you know what I mean, with

476
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: veteran guys and go that way. But as far as corners,

477
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Speaker 1: I think you could start filling out those ranks with

478
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: some some top flight guys through the draft. Yes, yes,

479
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: And that could be something that they address at thirty one.

480
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: It could be something that maybe you know, if Lessned

481
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: trades back as I think a lot of us expect,

482
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: and you get a pick in the second round, a

483
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: couple of picks in the second round, that's something that

484
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: you can be addressed there too. Don't you remember, God,

485
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: we were on the bus or we were right there

486
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: on the on the sidelines of the coliseum when Talib

487
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 1: and Peters were both banged up during a game and

488
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: your strength became. It was against Green Bay when Aaron

489
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: Rodgers was here. Didn't you lose some buddy and they

490
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: started shooting at Troy Hill. I think that one of

491
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: those games, that game, the game where both of those

492
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: guys went down. Was the Chargers in Week three? Maybe

493
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: that was it? Well, I mean, but I mean Marcus

494
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: Peters came back like really quickly from that injury, and

495
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: so yeah, that was in the part of the year

496
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: where it seemed like he was strong. He got a

497
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: little scary and didn't you have to. I thought there

498
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: was a game where you had to rotate Robie Coleman

499
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 1: out to outside the numbers. I think there for a

500
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: few snaps, and I can't remember exactly which game that

501
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: was off hand, and I think I wrote down, Okay,

502
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: depth at corner. Now, if you can throw a second

503
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: round or you know a guy that's that's going to

504
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 1: be the guy like a John Johnson the third but

505
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: at corner, right, he's going to be the guy eventually

506
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Speaker 1: at depth at corner to supplement those guys. I think

507
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: that's where I'd be looking. Yeah, yeah, I would agree

508
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 1: with you there. All right, let's get into Blake Bortles

509
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: a little bit, because this I think is a good move,

510
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 1: and you said it at the top of the show.

511
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: He's a guy that really does have more starting experience

512
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: than Jared Goff, right, I mean, he led a team

513
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: last year to the AFC Championship Game, helped lead a team.

514
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 1: I'd like to put it that way, but you know,

515
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: obviously things did not work out necessarily for Blake Bortles

516
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville the way they intended. But I think if

517
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Speaker 1: you're the Rams and if you're Blake Bortles, this is

518
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: a really good fit because it is somebody who has

519
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: that experience and can come in and can always run

520
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 1: the offense for you, no doubt. What was his name,

521
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett, the O coordinator that was let go in

522
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: Jacksonville in October. There's something weird going on in Jacksonville,

523
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: just like Green Bay around the head coach. So you

524
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: kind of have to throw last year out. And you

525
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: know how people felt about Blake Bortles down in Jacksonville

526
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: when we were there, I do. They weren't shy about

527
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: telling you. So I think that had just run its course.

528
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: But when you watch the guy play, when you just

529
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: turn the Internet off, turned Twitter off, and just watch

530
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: the film of Bortles. The guy's athletic, he's crazy athletic,

531
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Speaker 1: he's got some jump, he's got a pretty good arm,

532
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: a really good arm. There's a lot of things that

533
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: he does well. But to me, this is my thought,

534
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: it just seems like he read half the book, you know,

535
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: about being a quarterback. There's something missing. There was a

536
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: higher education that he needed to take him to the

537
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: next level. I don't think that was going to happen

538
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. Maybe that happens here with McVeigh as the backup, right,

539
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: But the guy can do everything right, you know what

540
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: I mean. I think when you're talking about backup quarterbacks,

541
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: it's one of the things that you want is that athleticism.

542
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: And I remember when he was coming out in the

543
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: draft in twenty fourteen, the comparisons at that time seem

544
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: to be like Ben Roethlisberger, right, somebody with size, somebody

545
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: who has mobility, somebody who can make the throws. And

546
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: so now, when you're a backup, I think having that

547
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: mobility is very important because a lot of times, you know,

548
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: things can break down and they're trying to get after

549
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: you because you want yes, and you know, hopefully that's

550
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: the only time we see Blake portals in twenty nineteen.

551
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: But when you have something like that, it's just helpful

552
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: to be able to make plays with your legs and

553
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: sort of create well, I just remember. I mean when

554
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: you're getting ready to play him and who needs to

555
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: step up? And the guys that we usually talked about

556
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: were those defensive ends because of how mobile he was.

557
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: Keep him in the pocket and if you mix up

558
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: your coverage you have a chance to fool him, which

559
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: does happen. He is a high picked guy. That was

560
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: part of the frustration in Jacksonville. But the who and

561
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: the why, like why are you looking this way? And

562
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: why are you missing this throw? That's the stuff. I

563
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: would love to be in the room with McVeigh and

564
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: him so he can kind of deprogram what he's learned

565
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: and learn some new stuff. Yeah. It shocking, man. I

566
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: was shocked at my position. How many guys couldn't play

567
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: out of bow stances, basic stuff and then you'll ask

568
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: him about it, and they were never even it was

569
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: never brought to them. Sure, like you just opened their

570
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: mind by saying, hey, are you looking at the ball? No? Why? Well,

571
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: it'll help you get off faster, really And you're like, dude,

572
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: you're learning that in the pros. But you can't be

573
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: shocked by that. Some guys are just crazy athletic and

574
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: that's how they got by now you need to learn

575
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: how to become a better pro. I don't think that

576
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: was going to happen in Jacksonville. I think that has

577
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: a chance to happen here. I think it's one of

578
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: the biggest reasons why Blake Bortles wanted to sign with

579
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: the Rams in the first place. So he did get

580
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: a chance to visit with him after he signed the

581
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: other day, and so I asked him, you know, just basically, why, LA,

582
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: how excited are you to work with Sean McVay, And

583
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: so he said, I think as a quarterback, there's not

584
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: really anybody else you'd rather be around if you had

585
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: your pick. What he's done, the people that have been

586
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: taken out of here in LA for head coaching jobs,

587
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: n oc jobs in other places, I think is a

588
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: testament to how good he is at what he does

589
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: and how good of a teacher and a coach he is.

590
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: And you watch the Rams playing, kind of the effort

591
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: and intensity that they play at speaks to the type

592
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: of head coach he is and how he gets the

593
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 1: guys going. So, you know, wanting to work with somebody

594
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: like Sean McVeigh is a big deal for a free

595
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: agent quarterback and especially one where if you're Blake Bortles,

596
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: this is probably one of the best jobs in America

597
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: for you because you get to work with one of

598
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: the best and the business at coaching. Right, you get

599
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: to live in Los Angeles and do all you know,

600
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: have all the perks that come with living in southern California,

601
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: and you have to be a backup quarterback. You know,

602
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: you don't have to get hurt, and you're still getting

603
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: paid by your former team, oh no doubt. And you're

604
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: one to hit away from getting a stro Yes, that too, right,

605
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: You're one hit away from being that guy. So this

606
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: is the way, This is where you want to be

607
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: as long as you come in and get ready to compete. Now,

608
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: can't wait to get a look at him up close.

609
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: But you know, we're given all the credit or giving

610
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: credit to the Matthews family and that lineage. On a

611
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: smaller scale, the Bortles family is the exact same way,

612
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: crazy athletic family. He's been brought up to be this

613
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: sort of guy. So, like I said, it just seems

614
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 1: like he only got half the book, took that and

615
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: ran with it and became something special. Now I hope

616
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: this will be the piece he needs to get over

617
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: the hump and be the quarterback that I guess he

618
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: was drafted to be sure. Yes, and it's interesting because

619
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: Jacksonville's history only goes back to nineteen ninety five. You know,

620
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: it's a nascent franchise in many many ways, he is

621
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: one of the top quarterbacks in that franchise's history. And

622
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: I think that that's there's still something to say for that,

623
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, despite what people want to say about like Bortles,

624
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: and you know, you have the Twitter account with the

625
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: Bortles facts that is humorous, and then you know you

626
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: have people going on television and trash him all these

627
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 1: different things. I think that there is something to be

628
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: said for the fact that he is a human who

629
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: was the quarterback of a team that went up to

630
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: New England and really had a chance to defeat the

631
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: Patriots in the AFC Championship Game in twenty seventeen, Oh

632
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: no doubt. And we know how tough that is to

633
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: beat the Patriots. Yes, right, We've we've seen that before.

634
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: He's just been so up and down. There was a

635
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: year where he had thirty five touchdowns right where he

636
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: looked like, okay, he finally found something the next year

637
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: he regressed. So all that up and down gets guys fired.

638
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: I think that's what happened. So that era, that window

639
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: has closed for him. Jacksonville is gonna do whatever they

640
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: think is possible to keep that window open. But obviously

641
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: with him it had just become too much in Jacksonville.

642
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: A change was needed. So I mean, look, you go

643
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: through here, who knows you rehab your your image some

644
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: you get that Sean McVay shine a little bit, who

645
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: you might become a starter someplace else. It's very true. Yeah,

646
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, we've seen how many people keep getting head

647
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: coaching jobs, right, so why not you know, absolutely, it

648
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: certainly could happen for him. Um. I think what is

649
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: interesting though, too, is you know he's going into a

650
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: different role as a backup quarterback. Right, Yeah, you don't

651
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: have to answer questions. Yes, that's one thing. Yeah, you

652
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: could be you could just have fun. Right, some of

653
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: the craziest guys you want to punch him in the

654
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: face while it's happening, because you're a starter and it's

655
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: brutal in November December when you're not going to the

656
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: playoff us right, Yes, but your backup quarterbacks really don't

657
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: do anything at practice but stand there. So they would

658
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: just have they'd bring golf clubs to practice. You know,

659
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: they'd mess around with the video guys. What what do

660
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: they do they're doing. Yeah, that's that's part of probably

661
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: why you're not a very good That's what I'm saying

662
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: that they know I'm not getting hit, I'm getting paid

663
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: like everyone else. But you know, I'm I'm with the team.

664
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm not with the team, you know what I mean. Yeah,

665
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: those crazy guys. You get to be yourself. You can

666
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: just kind of relax and work on your craft and

667
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: not have to worry about the nonsense. Let Jared Goff

668
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: handle that. He's yeah, yeah, it is interesting though. He

669
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: and Jared Goff and Blake Bortles are friends. So they've

670
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: trained together in Orange County. They have the same agent.

671
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: That's how they initially got hooked up. And so it's

672
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: really it's it's interesting that now you're gonna have these

673
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: guys who were friends, but they're going to be professional partners.

674
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: And you know, again, that's another reason why Blake Bortles

675
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to at least research La. LA was

676
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: his first stop, and so you know, I asked him

677
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: just about being a backup quarterback back, and he said,

678
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think I was fortunate in Jacksonville to

679
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: have Chad Hnny there with me for four years, and

680
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: I think watching him play the role that he did

681
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: was as good as you can do it. And obviously

682
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: it's a new spot and new role for me to play,

683
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: but I've had the kind of exposure to what I

684
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: think is how it's supposed to be done, and I

685
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: look forward to being that for Jared and being there,

686
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: whether it's supporting him or hyping him up, or being

687
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: truthful to him. Whatever I can do to help him

688
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: is kind of what you're there to do as the

689
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: backup guy. Perfect yep, yeah, help him with his reads,

690
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: help him with his notebook. You know, you're playing against

691
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: basically the same guys, the same guy as they're trying

692
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: to take your head off, just like they're trying to

693
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: take GOB's head off. So hey, look this guy, I

694
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: can hard count him to death to get him to hold.

695
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: This guy over here has a bunch of different tells.

696
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: You've never seen him before. But I have little things

697
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,239
Speaker 1: that can help the starter be better. Yes, yeah, And

698
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: I think when you have somebody who has been a

699
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: starter and then is in that role. And I don't

700
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: mean this to put Sean manon down, but it's probably

701
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: a lot easier for that to happen and like to

702
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: have confidence in that than it is when you have

703
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: a guy that you just have drafted and you know,

704
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: kind of developed in the shadows for three to four

705
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: years and then you'd have to rely on him coming

706
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: in into the backup role. Obviously, sparring partners don't make

707
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: good contenders. They're used to get and beat. That's what

708
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: I think good backups are. You know, guys that are

709
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: groomed just to be the backup. Interesting. Yeah, I really

710
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: like that. Say, yeah, I mean it's but this is

711
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: a former starter who knows what it's what it takes

712
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: to be out there, and what it's like to be

713
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: out there. So this is a little bit different as

714
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: far as I mean, like, Kurt Warner is a Hall

715
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: of Famer, Mark Boulger went to the Pro Bowl a bunch.

716
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: Jared Goff has been there what two years in a row. Yes,

717
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: this could be the best quarterback room they've had in

718
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: years since Warner and Boulger were in the same room,

719
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yes, that's how competitive or

720
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: that's how experience. Both guys are Nick Foles, case Keenum

721
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: and Seanmangen doesn't rate on that list. I mean, let

722
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: me move on some seasons. Yes, you know, didn't we

723
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: go off to Seattle and get beat by Charlie Whitehurst once? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

724
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: that happened. It's interesting. Yeah, but you mentioned this earlier too.

725
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: Malcolm Brown signed an offer sheet with the Detroit Lions,

726
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: and so now the Rams do you have basically until

727
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: the end of the week in order to make the

728
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: decision as to whether they will match that offer or

729
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: let him walk and go to Detroit. And now they

730
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: have not really been details released from Detroit on what

731
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: that offer sheet is, So it's sort of hard to

732
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: handicap how the Rams might see it and look at it.

733
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: But the way I always think of it is, you look,

734
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: if you're signing somebody to an offer sheet, you want

735
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: to make that contract a little bit prohibitive for the

736
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: team to match it, you know what I'm saying. So

737
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: in that way, I kind of expect that the Rams

738
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: won't necessarily match it. Now I'm I'm not reporting that

739
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: I don't have any information to definitively say that. But

740
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: I think, just based on the way restricted free agency

741
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: often works, I think we kny have seen the last

742
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: of Malcolm Brown in a RAMS uniform. Could be God,

743
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: I remember going through this as a player and here

744
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: on the other side of it, and you know, talking

745
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: to the guy a year after he left us. You know,

746
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: we didn't get a chance to talk. Then all I

747
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: knew is the next season he was on that football team.

748
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: And then I hear if they would have made it close,

749
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: I would have stayed, Like, hey man, why didn't you stay? Well,

750
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: if they would have made it close, I would have stayed.

751
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: So for Malcolm Brown, I would say take the money, absolutely,

752
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: take the money, number one. But terms of usage, how

753
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: do they plan to use you up there? If they're

754
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: just throwing you a couple of extra bucks because they

755
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: want you, but you're going to be used in the

756
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: same way, I might take the hit to stay here,

757
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Sure, yeah, I mean this.

758
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: We have a plan for Malcolm. They respect Malcolm. You

759
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: know what Malcolm can do, and you know what this

760
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: offense is about. Right, there's no new learning for you.

761
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: Come here and play. If it's a few bucks last

762
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: here or there, But by all means take the cash.

763
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: That's what it's about. That's what this business is about.

764
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: But I would also look at the usage too well.

765
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point they have a chance to

766
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: start there, do you have a chance to start here?

767
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: Probably not right? Makes sense? Yes, And I think that's

768
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: probably what you weighed in order to sign that offer sheet,

769
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, And so we'll see what happens.

770
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, in a perfect world, yes,

771
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: the Rams probably would like Malcolm Brown back in order

772
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: to be that guy behind Todd Gurley, who, as the

773
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: conversation has been all off season, can spell Todd Gurley

774
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: when needed and you know, maybe take some of that

775
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: wear and tear off of the knee. But also when

776
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: you're talking about Malcolm Brown and he was only playing

777
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 1: fifteen percent of the snaps, I think, no matter what,

778
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: for the Rams backup running back next season, that's going

779
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: to increase to somewhere to twenty to twenty five percent.

780
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: I would have to assume, you know, probably right, And

781
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 1: I think in a perfect world, you want Malcolm Brown

782
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: to be that guy because he showed you how good

783
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: he can be, because he averaged nearly five yards of

784
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: carry last year, no doubt, in a sledgehammer type role. Yeah,

785
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: a true under lightning and he sledge hammered the crap

786
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: out of Detroit's defense before he got injured. And like,

787
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of funny that they are the

788
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: ones to sign him to the offer sheet. What have you?

789
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: Let Todd be the boom and Nicvay says, I want

790
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: one of those little hybrid types coming out of college

791
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: as a running back. Maybe, I mean, do you already

792
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: have one in John Kelly? You do? You do? But

793
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. But do you know if you have one? No? No,

794
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean I mean you you have that sort of ability,

795
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: is what we're saying. I mean there's going to be

796
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: competition at running back now, obviously, and I think you

797
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: have to. I would say it's a def Con three,

798
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: you know, which is the bad def cone one year

799
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: at WARKA five is complete piece. I put it at three.

800
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: With everything rounding Todd, there are question marks, right, I

801
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: think I would put that at three. So that's going

802
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: to be a competitive area going into camp. It should be. Yeah,

803
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: So either free agents CJ. Guys that are guys that

804
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: we know, or guys that are about to be drafted

805
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: or street free agents coming in competing for jobs for backups.

806
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: I think that's going to be important. I think that

807
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: if if the Rams do not decide, if the Rams

808
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: decide to not match this contract that Malcolm Brown is

809
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: signed with Detroit, then I think the percentage chance of

810
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: c J. Anderson returning to the Rams definitely goes up,

811
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: like by a lot probably, Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know,

812
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: we still got a long way to go with this,

813
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: right with some of these guys, no doubt. We got

814
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: six months until opening day finding jobs as of right now,

815
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: And this is probably what you're evaluating, these veteran guys

816
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: that you know versus guys that you don't know. You know,

817
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: I think I'd rather take a look at this guy

818
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: long term. I think he'll be fine. Or I don't

819
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: like anybody from this pointing the draft on, I'd rather

820
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: go with the veterans, right or everybody's stinks. Gimme Malcolm brownback.

821
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: I don't care what it costs, right, yeah, yeah, And

822
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: I think that's that's something that you just have to

823
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: think about. I mean, because with a guy like CJ,

824
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: you know that he at least has the ability to

825
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: come in and run your offense and run it at

826
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: a high level. Right, So that's at least a yeah

827
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: bonus there, Funny you and I we can go back

828
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um. Would you rather have the I guess,

829
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: the the known in CJ. Anderson or the potential in

830
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: Isaiah Piede? Yeah? Right, the potential? Boy did he look

831
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: good coming out? Right? It just did not translate and

832
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: it didn't work out. It didn't work out at all, right,

833
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: and then you had to restock that position constantly. So

834
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: that's what you're going through in those draft rooms right now. Yeah,

835
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: I think the known quantity sometimes can be better, especially

836
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: with a team with Super four a team I should say,

837
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: with Super Bowl aspirations, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think

838
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: I'd rather go with the known, as long as that

839
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: known is something I can trust that's going to stay

840
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: together and a guy that could be my bell cow

841
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: back if that's the way it falls, because that's how

842
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: it became towards the end of the year. Yes, yeah, yeah,

843
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. I always like saying, you know, there

844
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: are no nons unknown, noans, non unknowns, and unknown unknowns.

845
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: You know. Wow, I got a headache from that. Yeah, yeah,

846
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: but you yeah, but they're always I mean, like you

847
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: have these known things you know, you're this, this, the

848
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: stuff that you know, you know, the stuff that you

849
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, the stuff you know but you

850
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: don't know that you know, and then the stuff you

851
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: don't know. What did I tell my daughter getting ready

852
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: for school? Peanut butter and jelly and bread. You can

853
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: always feed yourself. It'll always be there. Put it in

854
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: the cabinet, It'll always be there. That is the known. Yes,

855
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: I'm starving to death. I don't want it, but at

856
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: least I can eat it, yes, and get you know,

857
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: nourished for the day, get some sustenance. Right. You know,

858
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: there's this mail back question that was put out to us,

859
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: and I want I don't necessarily want address it in mailbag, mailbag,

860
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: but I do want to address it a little bit.

861
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: But part of it is difficult because we just have not,

862
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, get gotten to talk to these guys and

863
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: gotten to know them at least a little bit. Yeah, ourselves,

864
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: but you know, Eric asked what impact do Eric Henderson,

865
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: new defensive line coach, and new Titans coach Wes Phillips

866
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: have on the team for their individual units. It didn't

867
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: tell you soon we got to see him on the field. Yeah, yeah,

868
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: I can. I can tell you that he's coming from

869
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Eric Henderson Henderson is, Yeah, Well his d

870
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: line was there was a strength of the team, right, Yeah,

871
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: that was a problem trying to block all those guys

872
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: and not just because they were big or you know,

873
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: crazy talented. They were really really disciplined in what they

874
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: did and they were crazy talented. So if you can

875
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: get some of that here with the players you already have, absolutely, right.

876
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: I mean it was part of why, you know, Sean

877
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: McVay decided to replace Bill Johnson because they want that

878
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: kind of production out of the defensive line. I mean,

879
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: like the run defense and the regular season was porous.

880
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: They gave up five point one yards per carry. Was

881
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: the entire point of discussion going into that Dallas Cowboys game.

882
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,959
Speaker 1: And did they tighten it up. Absolutely, But I think

883
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: you just want better production oval course of the season.

884
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: And so yes, that's something that you hope Eric Henderson

885
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: can bring. Yeah, Younger guys, I mean guys that are

886
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: going to get it, Guys that are some of these

887
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: guys that are going to start next year are going

888
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: to be on their first starts, first, second, and third starts.

889
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. They haven't done this very long.

890
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: So the coach is still very very important on the sideline.

891
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: So you want a guy that can teach new methods

892
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: and teach guys how to get to the football and

893
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: stay disciplined at the same time. Watch that tape of

894
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: any Charger tape and watch when you have both and

895
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: Ingram out there at the same time. Those quarterbacks have issues,

896
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: those tackles have issues, you know what I mean. Yes,

897
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: they're really good at casting a wide net and running

898
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: guys into it. So if you can get those same

899
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: developments like mcvados on offense, on your defensive line Gordon

900
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: towards the quarterback and only makes you better well, And

901
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: I think for Wes Phillips, you know, when you're talking

902
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: about it, it ends coach. It's good to have somebody

903
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: that Sean McVay knows and has worked with in the past,

904
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: and West Bollips did pretty good job with Jordan Reid

905
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: over there in Washington. Jordan Reid has developed into one

906
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: of the better players in the league. A big part

907
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: of that too was Sean McVay. We know that, but

908
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: I think you know to say, what do we know

909
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: that they can bring to their individual It's just so

910
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: early and you don't have the players even in the

911
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: building right now basically, and if they are, they can't

912
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: talk football because of the CBA, So like that is

913
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: sort of the day. It's hard to tell at this point,

914
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: but we'll know more. So. I remember man getting ready

915
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl and watching Gronk and how they

916
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: use Gronk, and then going back and watching watching Oh

917
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: my god, Gerald Everett, yeah, and how they play here.

918
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, if there is ever going to be

919
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl tight end coming from this football team,

920
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: that is going to be one bad SOB because of

921
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: how you're being used here. He's engaged with defensive ends

922
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: almost more than Whitworth on run plays. I mean, they

923
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: ask a lot of their tight end to yeah, you

924
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: need to blocklock a tackle and run routes like a receiver. Yeah.

925
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: If the best tight end in the game comes out

926
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: of this offense, that is a bad m O. Yeah

927
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: MF yeah yeah cut that. Yeah, Yeah, that is a

928
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: bad dude. That's what I'm saying. Thank you anybody can

929
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: help that position get better or just be a little

930
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: bit better for what he's being asked to do, so

931
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: be it right, right right. Also, before we get out

932
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: of your shout out to Mike Trout for a four

933
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million shouting Mike Trout out, because I'm

934
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: not seeing a penny of that four hundred and thirty

935
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: million dollars. Listen, can you imagine being that good at baseball?

936
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: Like you have an argument that you were the greatest

937
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: baseball player of all time, and you just broke the

938
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: record for a contract, not just you know, buy a

939
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: little bit by a hundred million dollars after Bryce Harper

940
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: just said it. If two weeks before, if I could

941
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: have been anywhere in the world when that news broke,

942
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 1: I would have liked to have been with like Barry

943
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: Bonds or Ken Griffey Junior. Now now we're doing it. Really,

944
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: the best player in baseball gets that much money. Wow,

945
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: that sucks. It's an extreme amount of money. It's like

946
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: thirty almost thirty six million dollars a year. Yeah, yeah,

947
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: I saw that, and I couldn't believe it. I just

948
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: it was so because you just an everyday game man,

949
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,959
Speaker 1: and that guy is good every day. No, I no,

950
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: But it's also now okay, like if you're the Angels, right,

951
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: don't you have to do more to put the more

952
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: around him because you're spending so much money on one

953
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: guy and you're already still paying Albert pooholes until he's

954
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: going to be I think forty one, forty two years

955
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: old in like twenty twenty, you're twenty twenty one. You've

956
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: got to do more because you're can. You've got to

957
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: put more guys out there with that much money. You

958
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: have to write because or you just got to draft

959
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: and develop the best guys, because I mean, think about it.

960
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: We've seen Mike Trout in the postseason one time and

961
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: the Angels got swept, right, They've made the playoffs one

962
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: time in the Albert Pools era in Anaheim or whatever

963
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: they're called now, and they got stuck. So you know

964
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, I just think it's so interesting

965
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: when you have that guy, when you have a player

966
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: who was a caliber of that guy, and you don't

967
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: get to see him in the postseason. You are the

968
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: articles that kind of came out last year or two

969
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: years ago about well, Mike Trout doesn't do enough to

970
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: market himself bla blah blah blah. Well, neither do the

971
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: Angels because they don't put him in position to be

972
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: in the postseason. Why do we know about Aaron Judge

973
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: so much? A because he's in New York Yankee. B

974
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: because he's in the biggest media market in the United States.

975
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: But see, because we have seen him perform in the

976
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: postseason and he's huge. Yeah, he looks like a lineback.

977
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: Didn't see him on the sideline that one time? Yes, yeah,

978
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: it was easy to pick him out he was he

979
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: was taller than everybody else. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yes, Yeah,

980
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: that's funny. But congrats man. I mean, look, I hope

981
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: this causes other sports like foot ball to raise with

982
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: their pain. You would like to think, so that would

983
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: have to mean the salary cap goes up to Wow.

984
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: I wonder if the first two hundred million dollars football

985
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: players born yet? Probably you think, so, what great is

986
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: he in eighth No, can't be that close. I think

987
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: it might be eighth grade. Now, I mean that's what

988
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: that's six years away. Yeah, okay, two hundred million a quarterback, Yes,

989
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: got to be a quarterback somewhere in the eighth grade.

990
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: Is going to be the first two hundred million dollar guys? Yes, Wow. Yes,

991
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: I think I do. Maybe he's already in the uniform,

992
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: maybe he's already playing. He could be already be in

993
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: the league. Wow, you know, Wow, Russell Wilson said he

994
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: was going to break the bank if youbably probably will.

995
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: Doesn't that make you nervous when the guy says he's

996
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: going to break the bank, it should as a team

997
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: just but that's but that's the that's the interesting thing

998
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: about quarterbacking, right, really, well, then it's gonna be Seattle's

999
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: probably because you're letting that guy walk out of the building, right.

1000
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what Kyler Murray was talking about

1001
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: at the combine when somebody asked him, does seeing the

1002
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: Bryce Harper contract give you pause? And he said not really,

1003
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: because there are quarterbacks making more money than that a year.

1004
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: And I think part of that is, like, okay, somebody

1005
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: like I think both the journalists and Kyler Murray might

1006
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: being misreading each other a little bit. Yeah, you know,

1007
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: like obviously, baseball contracts are fully guaranteed, so you know,

1008
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about Mike Trout, He's gonna get that four

1009
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million no matter what. But if you're

1010
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: a quarterback and you're a top tier quarterback, you're going

1011
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: to make more money playing football than you would as

1012
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: maybe an average center fielder. Right thinking about the there's

1013
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: a deal. I just saw Alex Bregman third basements for

1014
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: the Astros. He just signed for one hundred million. So

1015
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: if you are Kyler Murray and you end up being

1016
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: a great quarterback in this league, you're betting on yourself

1017
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: to do that. Right, You're going to make more money

1018
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: than a hundred million easily, and that might be around

1019
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: what you would get as you know, an above average

1020
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: baseball player, you can be averaged and make twenty it's

1021
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the NFL. Quarterback that's ridiculous, right, Yeah,

1022
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: So that's where I think it's interesting. You know, when

1023
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: you talk about quarterback salaries and you know, football salaries

1024
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: versus you know, baseball, where it's fully guaranteed, basketball is

1025
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: mostly guarantee. It's just really interesting. And obviously fifty three

1026
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: is a lot more than twenty five or like twelve

1027
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: to fifteen if you're talking about basketball. But that's where

1028
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: the dynamic just gets so interesting. Twelve years, four hundred

1029
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: and thirty million bucks, right, you're committing to something. Mike

1030
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: Trout is like a month and a half older than me.

1031
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: So that's why, that's why I like talking about Mike Trout.

1032
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: You think he's like that we're going to read a

1033
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: book again, Why would you unless it's a manual, right,

1034
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: I might like not a not a boat, a yacht.

1035
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: He's getting a yacht. That is yacht money. Yeah, there's

1036
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: nearly a half a bill. You know what I'm saying, Like,

1037
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: never wear the same socks twice, I don't know. I

1038
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: would just buy a lot of properties, right yeah, yeah, yeah,

1039
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: buy an island why not? Oh, definitely trout Land. Any

1040
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: other party shots, No, that's that's good for me. Man.

1041
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: I told you I love this idea of Clay Matthews.

1042
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be something. It's gonna be

1043
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: something interesting. When Fowler gets going, Donald's already going, and

1044
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: then you've got Clay Matthews to deal with as well.

1045
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: Out there. That's gonna be interesting to see. Yeah, yeah,

1046
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: no doubt. I'm looking forward to it all right, everybody,

1047
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: thanks for tuning into this Wednesday, March twentieth edition of

1048
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: Between the Horns for DeMarco far Miles Simmons. We'll see

1049
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: you next time.