1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: One, two, three. Hey, it's sad as if we were 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: to pretend briefly that we were on Shade As this show, 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: it would just be like whoake moment, White woman in 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: You know what is one of my number one fantasy 5 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: is what is it? It's being bitten by a vampire 6 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: or alternately being a vampire and biting someone. But you know, 7 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: you know that I'm a spooky, spooky, ooogy, spooky vampire girl. 8 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: And in my youth that meant I was really obsessed 9 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: with Buffy the vampire slayer interview with the vampire, and 10 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: then you know, vampires kind of like weren't as cool 11 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: for a minute, I think after Buffy ended and they 12 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: became that bitch again with the Twilight song written by 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: Stephanie Meyer and then turned into a film franchise starring 14 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson. Say, I well, was bored 15 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: one summer and read all the books, and I have 16 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: been on that train ever since. And I have been 17 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: trying to force you to watch the Twilight movies for 18 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: so long. Finally, on this past Halloween, we watched Twilight 19 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: together and now we're going to talk about it with 20 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: like the only Twilight stand in the world paying dicks. 21 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: This is like a Virgin the show where we give 22 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you, and 23 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: I'm Fran Toronto. Before we sink our teeth into Twilight, 24 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: we are going to talk about what's going on in 25 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: pop culture, you know, give a little bit of a 26 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: look ahead. Ato. Now that it's a new year, new 27 00:01:55,240 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: me knew us us. I know that we both saw 28 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: what is my favorite Marvel franchise, maybe in small part 29 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: because I was a preteen and this is you know, 30 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: essentially a twink that squirts come out of his hands. Uh, 31 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: Spider Man, no way else. Look, that's true, That's literally true, 32 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: Like we were teenagers. There's something kind of coming about this, 33 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: Like you know, cartoon comic book series. I loved reading 34 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: it as a kid. Um, this is like my favorite 35 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: superhero of all time. So I had really high X 36 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: Spider Man really absolutely, you can shame you all you want. 37 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: I have no powers are so lame. Uh, I I 38 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: actually can't even I can't even hear to tell me 39 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: Spider Man is cooler than the Storm from X Men. No, 40 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 1: not Storm, but cooler than a lot of other superheroes 41 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: for sure. But that's the thing that I love about 42 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: Spider Man, and something that I loved about this iteration 43 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: of him in the latest movie No Way Home, was 44 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: that the thing that I've always loved about him, in 45 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: addition to a sense of humor, which I think is 46 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: very singular, is that he's like a really sensitive guy. 47 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: And there there's a lot about his superheroism that like 48 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: isn't is kind of like wrapped up in his very 49 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: like kidlike heartful decision making skills, and like, I thought 50 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: that this movie handled that so well in such a 51 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: beautiful way. What did you think of the movie? You know, Listen, 52 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: I tend to like some of the more off the 53 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: beaten path superheroes rather than kind of like the Big 54 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: three that get reinterpreted over and over again Batman, Superman, 55 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: Spider Man, Like I think we've seen enough of them, 56 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: But that is like kind of the idea that this 57 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: movie is based off of. It is like, we have 58 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: all these spider Men, let's throw them together. And like 59 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: I will admit that I did even though I like 60 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: knew it was coming, not because I'd seen spoilers, but 61 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: like we all knew Andrew Garfield and Tolby McGuire, we're 62 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: going to show up. But when they did, I still 63 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: felt giddy. And I haven't even seen that Andrew Garfield 64 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: Spider Man movie. You know, when we I loved the 65 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: Tubby McGuire movies, I think I kind of forget I 66 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: like to the first two. The third one, well, the 67 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: third a third one nobody likes. Um. I mean the 68 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: third one is very camp. I think it's very fun 69 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: to watch, but for me, like you kind of forget 70 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: that all the villains are like these prestige actors. It's 71 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: giving very much like Harry Potter, like where every actor 72 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: is like well has been dominated for an Oscar. Yeah, 73 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: and so like I actually love like as a kid. 74 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: I don't think I caught onto like the nuances of 75 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: at Willem Dafoe performance, but when he comes back it 76 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: it is so like it balanced like drama with I 77 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: think a kind of camp that like Willem Dafolk kind 78 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: of brings into a role in a really funny way. 79 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: It did almost feel like a character from an A 80 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: twenty four movie, like found his way into a Spiderman film. 81 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: Those that is such a whip smart assessment, but something 82 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: else as ros mentioned. The fact that they were all 83 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: able to perform an extremely different kind of sensitive guy 84 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: was so funny. And the way they like had these 85 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: kind of little moments of bickering that were kind of 86 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: revolving around how sensitive they all are and how like 87 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: kind of like you know, kid like they are still 88 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: was so like well done. I thought Andrew Garfield's Spider 89 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: Man specifically was just really nuanced and self aware. It 90 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: was great, But I mean, the big takeaway of the 91 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: Multiple Spider Man for me was that Andrew and Toby 92 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: should have kiss should have There was a there was 93 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: a vibe that scene where they like did the backcracking. 94 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god, hello there, mama. That was a fan 95 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: fiction waiting to be rid. Speaking of fan service, this 96 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: is also, you know, the first time in Marvel history 97 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: where they made an entire movie using only a meme 98 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: as source material, which is the three Spider Man spointing 99 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: at each other. But the movie just kept like winning 100 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 1: me back, you know what I mean. Like when doctor 101 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: Strange came in, I was like, is this too many characters? 102 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: But then I was like, actually, doctor Strange is a 103 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: great character, and and it's really really funny and like 104 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: grounded the film in in in an interesting way, and like, 105 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: like there's a moment that Andrew Garfield has that brings 106 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: a lot of closure to his own film franchise, and 107 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, is this too much closure? But 108 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: then that moment happened, and like that was just so yeah. 109 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: I was like, I just like my heart just broke. 110 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: It was so well done. I just thought the movie. 111 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: It was my number one of the year period. I 112 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: loved really, absolute, absolutely well. Speaking of wizards, as Doctor 113 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: Strange was you know a wizard in in Spider Man. 114 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: I think you haven't watched it, but the Harry Potter 115 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: twenty Year of Union just came out on hreo. Max. 116 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to go fresh my coffee while you talk 117 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: about this one second. Oh thanks, thanks. I mean our 118 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: first episode ever was about Harry Potter, so I feel 119 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: like it must be discussed. Listen. It was kind of boring. 120 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: What kind of interesting tasts do you have for us? Rows? Well, 121 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: I think the most The funniest thing to me was 122 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: that I was really curious about what they were going 123 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: to do about the you know she who must not 124 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: be named of it at all? Um she did appear. 125 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: There were a couple of interview segments with her, but 126 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: while everyone else's like interviews were presented just like as 127 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: they were all of hers, had a little box on 128 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: the side that said recorded in twenty nineteen to make 129 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: it very clear, like we filmed this before she came 130 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: out as a turf, which I just thought was like 131 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: very like interestingly self aware, and it made me curious 132 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: just like about the future of the way that she 133 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: will interact with Harry Potter as it's presented to a 134 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: mainstream audience. You know, these like anniversaries will keep happening. 135 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: We have the secrets of Dumbledore coming out. This sear 136 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: like Harry Potter is not going anywhere and she will 137 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: forever be connected to it. So like how is that 138 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: going to be man not to get like two into 139 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: the weeds of it. But like I think that if 140 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: you're going to involve JK Rolling, that little box should 141 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: say like j K. Rowling said, X, Y and Z, 142 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: and these are things. This is context that is important 143 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: for you to know when you consume things about her, 144 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like we said on episode one, 145 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: like the key to like getting out of this is 146 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: not saying like cancel j K rolling, she's out, like 147 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: we're never seeing her again. It's that history has to 148 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: stick to her in order for us all to collectively 149 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: move on and to continue to like consume the things 150 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: that we love, which is Harry Potter. You know, it 151 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: did make me think thank god J R. Tolkien like 152 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: died decades ago, because if he had Twitter, like we 153 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: would not have been able to do our New Year's Eve. 154 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings rewatched because I'm sure he would 155 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: be canceled. Canceled. Yeah, I mean, I it's so I 156 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: really missed those movies. That was like really as satiating rewatching. 157 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: Any key takeaways from watching the first Lord of the 158 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: Rings movie. Um, for the thousandth time, it is just 159 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: so gay. It's so gay, Like there's no women except 160 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: r Owen, who's like like you know, she like comes 161 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: in in the scene and like does it dip and 162 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: like say its fronto and like yes, queen. Um, I've 163 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: loved when Bilbo turns into a monster and it is 164 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: essentially like deassified. Um he hit the anti sleigh button. Yeah, 165 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: he does get yasified for for for the second movie, 166 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: doesn't he also? Like, Um, Gandalf and Saramon are very 167 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: much like you know says like you get that energy 168 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: a lot. There's just tension that I didn't see there 169 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: when I watched it, you know, as a teen, and 170 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: I was a super fan. Rose was a super fan. 171 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: I owned like the visual companions, I owned, like the 172 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: ring from like the official catalog that I wore around 173 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: my neck like I was that girl. I honestly, I'm 174 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: going to watch the second and third movies now. I 175 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: I need I will be as well, because I need 176 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: something to keep me busy um between Sunday's. Literally, all 177 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: I do now is wait for a new episode of 178 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: Yellow Jackets to come out. Okay, fran you finally watched 179 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: it last night, finally. What do you think this episode? Well, 180 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: I feel a little goaded. I feel like you told 181 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: me that this franchise was not scary. And the opening 182 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: scene is a woman getting like impaled in a grave 183 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: and like a scary mask guy. And well, you and 184 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: I just have different ideas of what scary is. So 185 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: I think it's more of a you know, gory psychological thriller. 186 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: I would not call it scared. I would I will say, 187 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, a a warning to the stoner's out there. 188 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: This is a braided narrative. Okay, so braided narratives are 189 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: extremely difficult to follow and comprehend when you're stoned. And 190 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: this is like a basically two timelines alongside each other, 191 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: one in the future, one in the past of a 192 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: kind of dystopian Lord of the Flies esque survival story. Yeah. Someone, um, 193 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: someone I follow on Twitter. His name's Nolan. He's so funny. 194 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: He put it really perfectly yesterday he said, um, yellow 195 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: Jackets is lost for swift ease and could not be 196 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: more true, and that that is truly all you need 197 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: to know and the best recommendation I can give anyone. Obviously, 198 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 1: we can't get get really two into it because fran 199 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil it for you. I don't 200 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: care about spoiling our listeners, but you I want you 201 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: to able to experience it. But you know, the girls 202 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: are girling. Everyone is so good. Juliette Lewis, Oh my god, 203 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: Tawny Cypress is like a revelation to me. I think 204 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: she's so amazing. Christina Ricci, oh my god. And Melanie 205 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: Lynskey say her name. I have been standing her since 206 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: ever after in Coyote Ugly and I'm happy to see 207 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: her like getting these roles that give her a little 208 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: bit more of what she's do And there's a moment 209 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: coming you'll see in a few episodes in where Christina 210 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: Ricci does something too a song from Fandom of the Opera, 211 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: and it's just like the best thing I've seen on 212 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: TV and forever. Of course it has to do with 213 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: fanom of the Opera in some way. Of course, of course, 214 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sorry to bring it up, but I 215 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: haven't seen you in a while. And the last episode 216 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: of End just like that was worth a brief discussion. 217 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: Um started with shady As saying, yes, Queen, Oh my god, 218 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: electric chair what Although I do have to say I 219 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: really liked this episode. I think the episodes are getting 220 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: better and better. I mean, like they still contain these 221 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: really cringing moments and awful writing. But I think the 222 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: scene with Miranda, despite the cringing nous of Jadaz like, 223 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: was really good and I really loved the confrontation that 224 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: it led to between Carrie and Miranda. It felt like 225 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: that thing that Sex in the City did so well, 226 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: which was taking heightened comedy, heightened sexuality, and heightened interpersonal 227 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: drama and blending them all together in a really perfect way. 228 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: And then also what I loved in this most recent 229 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: episode was when Carrie texted Samantha about talking about her 230 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: on the podcast, and like the score came in and 231 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: it sound own did like the Sex and the City 232 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: theme music. It was like it was like a really subtle, 233 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: lovely little touch. Also, like you and I talked about 234 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: this kind of like I do think that the storyline 235 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: with Charlotte, which like is kind of separate from the 236 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: main drama about her child coming out as transfer, non 237 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: binary or whatever, like changing their name, Like, I think 238 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of good. Like I think a lot of 239 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: this stuff that they're getting wrong with Jay, they're kind 240 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: of getting right in a way with Charlotte. Like on 241 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: its face, someone would look at that and be like, oh, 242 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: they're dead naming their child, blah blah blah. But I 243 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: think that's actually a very realistic representation of what it 244 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: must be like to be a parent and to have 245 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: your child came out as trans. And I say this 246 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: as someone who came out as trans to their parents, 247 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, with the increased cringe genus of Miranda and Carrie, 248 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: Charlotte is currently my favorite of the three and it's 249 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: because you're Charlotte. I am not Charlotte. How dare you? 250 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: That is slander? I will I will literally sue, call 251 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: my attorney, Call my attorney. Random that was so irresponsible, 252 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: because you might be a little busy right now. Obviously 253 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: we are, I maybe taking out an extremely egregious error 254 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: of the episode where in Charlotte was trying to collect 255 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: black friends, which I'm really interested in whiteness, investigating whiteness 256 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: and white whiteness, critiquing whiteness. And I thought that there 257 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: was a lot of good stuff like that in that episode, however, 258 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: not to the point of Charlotte needing to diversify her 259 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: friend groups so bad that she almost kidnaps her neighbor, 260 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: Like it was hard to watch. Yeah, but I think 261 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: like that is kind of an honest depiction of people 262 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: who are trying to I don't know, like decolonize there. 263 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: They're like social lives and like the way they interact 264 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: with the world, like making like dumb mistakes like that. 265 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: I think that we as a group consueing this show 266 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: need to like see these characters as flawed, like it's 267 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: it's it's necessary to enjoy them and I think a 268 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: lot of people aren't catching onto that there needed to 269 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: be a brief moment of contention or explanation as to 270 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: why what Charlotte did was wrong, because I at the 271 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: end of the episode, you know, lt W was kind 272 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: of just like, oh yeah, don't worry about it, and 273 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: I was just like, uh, well, I mean that it is. 274 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: It's trusting. It's trusting the viewer to be a little 275 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: smarter they're not. Also another thing, I saw this thing 276 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: on TikTok that was talking about how with Betty White's passing, 277 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: someone was talking about how all of the women on 278 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: Sex in the City are the same age as all 279 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: the women were when Golden Girls started. Oh yes, mid fifties. 280 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: Oh my god, and that the only difference, like the 281 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: main difference of why they look younger is their hair, 282 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: because the gold Golden Girls they all had you know, 283 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: like grandma hair. My my brains started to wind together 284 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: a joke about Betty White being Carrie Bradshaw's last har crux, 285 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: but I didn't quite didn't quite tie it together. So 286 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: I'll just say what our Carrie Bradshaws hardcrocks is. Okay. 287 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: So the Manola blonics that got stolen yes um, which 288 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: she now has back, the Carrey necklace, the Carrie necklace, 289 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: her top evidently the heart of the ocean, as the 290 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: dol Chay co that she walked down the runway and 291 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: then it fell and then used as a blanket when 292 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: she had her first night back in her old apartment. 293 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: Did you notice that moment? I didn't that it was 294 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: such a good fan service moment she wore the dol 295 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: chay coat that she fell in as a blanket. I 296 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: didn't notice that Stanford is one of her hor crux? 297 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: Is that's he's in Japan? Okay, the same way that 298 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: Neguini was one of Baltimore's hor CrOx? Is that a note, bitch, 299 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I could have it could have been better written? 300 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: And then that posted that post. It is the last 301 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: of Carrie's horcros. Is that in case you hadn't picked 302 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: it up through context clues. Our guest today is social strategist, 303 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: Instagram diva, Twilight historian and all of our story her 304 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: historian and all around monster little monster. Okay, well let's 305 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: not do that. Peyton Dicks is here in the studio today. 306 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: That was the most chaotic intro. I think I've ever 307 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: heard my life, but that only makes sense for this 308 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: scenario pretty so much for being here. I truly believe 309 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: that if we had a podcast, which we do, and 310 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: we were doing an episode of Twilight, which we are, 311 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: but we had a guest who wasn't you, which we 312 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: would never do, I think like within six hours of 313 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 1: being released, a drone would strike me, because I do 314 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: think you have access to that kind of power. I do. 315 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: There are people I know or you would send the 316 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: vaultry after right, where the hell have you been? Oh 317 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: my god? The first one of the yeah, yeah, more 318 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: to come. Don't think it ends there please. Some important 319 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: context I think to all of this is that Rose 320 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: and I have attempted to watch the first Twilight movie 321 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: several times. Okay, let's not okay, let's let's clear that up. 322 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,239 Speaker 1: Because you have attempted to watch it, I have watched it. 323 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 1: What has happened is I have told friend many times 324 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: I love Twilight, let's watch it. And specifically, we were 325 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: on a vacation in Big Bear last November, and you know, 326 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: it was beautiful, it was snowing, and I said, bitch, 327 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: we're watching Twilight. It is time. And we put the 328 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: first Twilight movie on and in five minutes, this girl 329 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: was dead to the world, asleep, stone and asleep. And 330 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: you know what I did, watched Twilight and the next 331 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: night Frand said, oh, let's watch the next one, so 332 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 1: we put on New Moon and my my favorite as well. Um, 333 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: five minutes in she was asleep. I was watching New 334 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: Moon asleep. Next night, A clips this actually feels like 335 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: like targeted terrorism. Let's watch it. Just kidding. And then 336 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: when we left the vacation and went home, I watched 337 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: Breaking Dawn parts one and two because I was like, 338 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: I already watched the first three movies. I have to 339 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: have the whole experience. You gotta finish. Peyton, I want 340 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: you to tell us what your experience with Twilight. What 341 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: tell me about the like did you read the books first? 342 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,239 Speaker 1: Did you watch the movies first? Like tell me how 343 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: you fell in love? I read the books, but I 344 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: actually only read them after I saw the movie because 345 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: I was just like, so that made me horny? What else? 346 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: And like waiting between movies for them to come out? 347 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I need to get my fix 348 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 1: in between, and like I also the thing about me 349 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: is when you're a twyhard. You're naturally a yeah twyard, 350 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: let's just sit with that's what our community is called. 351 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: You think the barbs are strong though, why hearts are stronger? 352 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: The overlap, Remember there's also a lot of overlap. You're 353 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: naturally a Crispian, which obviously, as we all know, is 354 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: a christ and Suward stand and I think I also 355 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: just awakened my at the same time, I think I 356 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: knew that I was just really gay. Um, and I 357 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I was imagining three songs 358 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: with Robert and Chris to and I was like, oh 359 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: my god, here it's happening. I'm a bisexual. And then 360 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: I was like, it's actually looking like Christian. It's actually 361 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: Christian is winning in this in this course, um, like 362 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: as she does. Anyway, I think like my love for 363 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: Twilight started with them and then moved to the books 364 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: and then back into the series in general. But I think, like, 365 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: I know, we'll get into this more later, but I'm 366 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: so interested in its renaissance now because it was something 367 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: that was like, of course, a huge I feel like 368 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: could following such the wrong word because it was huge. 369 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: It was a blockbuster movement, It was a phenomenon. It 370 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: was a saga. It was a saga literally shaped culture. 371 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: It like changed the water did. Literally. It was when 372 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: we talk about cultural phenomenons and like the like, especially 373 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: young adult culture, It's like Twilight. It was Harry Potter 374 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: to Twilight to Hunger Games. I don't know what the 375 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: Twilight to fifty Shades of grat pipeline. We all fall 376 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: the true pipe. Um. But yeah, I think like for me, 377 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: I've been asked this question before and I literally don't 378 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: know if I have like the thing that sparked it. It 379 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: It just was like this makes sense, and I don't 380 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: even know if that's like I watched like Vampire Diaries, 381 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: but it's not that I'm like deep, okay, hot that's 382 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: getting becomes a vampire. It falls off right. It's like 383 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: I've actually had enough of this and it's just a 384 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: bad joke. I mean, I like shitty things. That's my taste. 385 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: Levels that I have terrible types. Absolutely absolutely. We talked 386 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: about this a little bit last night and Rose was 387 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: very defensive about like me being like, yeah, I feel 388 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: like there's this kind of like ironic, like so bad 389 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: it's good kind of element to Twilight. Um, but also 390 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like this is like watching it. 391 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: There's I think that's part of what that when you 392 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: were saying the renaissance that it's in now, like so 393 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: much of it is like our love to like watch 394 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: things that are like kind of bad, along with like 395 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, lesbian subtext and like camp and Okay, but 396 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: we were arguing about this, which is that I think 397 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: when Twilight came out, it maybe people I think people 398 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: were earnestly enjoying it, and I think now I don't 399 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: think that people are liking it. Ironically, you know, the 400 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: reaction to Twilight when it came out, and I think 401 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: the critique of it was very this is something that 402 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: teenage girls love, so it's dumb. And also then maybe 403 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: there was some discourse about it, like glorifying toxic relationships 404 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: because which is, um, yeah, Edward was a monster. But 405 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: now that it's come back, I think it's more about 406 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: people just kind of earnestly liking it, and the discourse 407 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: is more about the things that maybe we actually should 408 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: be having discourse about, which is you know, like it's 409 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: depiction of like indigenous people and codependent relationships and yeah, 410 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: so we are in a twice Dad's a cab, including Charlie, 411 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: because I see some people saying a cab except Charlie. 412 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: No, no no, no, it still includes him. We're rounding up. 413 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: But like he did carry that film on his back 414 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: though too. He was the hottest person in the first 415 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: I'm a great actor in that movie, but not a 416 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: good dad and threatening gun violence on a vampire first 417 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: of all, losing battle okay, But like, I don't know, 418 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,479 Speaker 1: I think, um, what's funny with this reinvigoration of like 419 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: what we see on like TikTok and everything. I do 420 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: think it's farnest. I do think people generally are like 421 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: this is. And you brought up the example of like 422 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: even Fran wanting to watch like the next one. I 423 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: recently came home um to l A and I just 424 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: watched it for myself to take the edge off. And 425 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: my mom was like doing laundry next to me, like 426 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: not paying attention, but got tired and was about to 427 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: go to bed, and they like kept peeking her head 428 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: back in and be like, wait, so is she gonna 429 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: she gonna break up with him? Or what can happen? 430 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: Like literally the ground one being like, but I do 431 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: need to know what happens with this it is enthralling. 432 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: So actually, on that note, Fran, what did you think 433 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: of it? So last night Frand and I watched Twilight. 434 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: I finally forced him. I kept hitting him and pinching 435 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: him so he would stay like, what did you think 436 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: of Twilight? Well, I have to also say that that 437 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: that was now my fourth attempt to watch Twilight. I've 438 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: also tried to watch it twice before with an X 439 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: and I fell asleep both times. So on fourth watch, 440 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: when I finally got all the way through it, I 441 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: mean I was definitely um over stimulated something. As someone 442 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: who had not a ton of context into the films, 443 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: I think what was just immediately shocking is like the 444 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: horrid Instagram filter they have over like the entire film. 445 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: Don't talk about the blue field? Okay, why does Edward 446 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: look blue? I think that's like something that was really 447 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: baffling to me on like a cold watch. Was that 448 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: like the in you know, my cultural memory. It's like 449 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: these two were like the hottest romantic leads in ever 450 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: existence of like any romantic movie. And when I watched 451 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: this movie last I was like, both of them look 452 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 1: straight up bad like corpses. I need you to ride 453 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: for we can't let do this to her. Okay, I'm sorry, Edward, 454 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: Edward Cullen looks sick. It was. It was just very disoriented, 455 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: like why didn't they color break this film? Well, let's 456 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: be let's be clear, in five movies Roberts foundation never 457 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: matched his neck, no, not on. It was actually an 458 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: act of resistance that they do and exacerbated by his 459 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: wig and the breaking. We have to take a moment 460 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: to talk about the wigs. Okay, so I just let's 461 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: start with the worst one, which is obviously Bella's wig 462 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: in a clip, thank thank you, well please speak speak 463 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: to it? Well? I like, what was Taylor Lawner's wig? 464 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: Like better than Oh? It was so good that last 465 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: night Rose googled if his real hair? Are you? I 466 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: was like that, I cannot know. It definitely still is 467 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: a wig. I we weren't hopefully doubting that. But like 468 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: out of all the wigs on the the in the movie, 469 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: which there are plenty to pick from, undress like, you're 470 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: not going to do this to your lead because you 471 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: know you have budget. You have budget to lay that 472 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: fucking wig, and you just you left her out there 473 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: to dry like she was doing Runaway, So I think 474 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: so she had cut her hair and looked great, but 475 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: like seeing what the girls on TikTok are doing with 476 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: with their hair, like and they did our girl like that. 477 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean I was reading that like Kristin Stewart wanted 478 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: to like cut her hair throughout the entire franchise because 479 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: you know she's lesbian. I've heard that too, right, but like, 480 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: but they kept bribing her and offering her financial compensation 481 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: to not cut her hair until she finally did for 482 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: the Runaways and ethics that obvious. Okay, so you felt 483 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: like one blue foot. Okay, they were in they were 484 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: in Washington. They're trying to paint a picture. And also 485 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: the context is that the first Twilight movie was a 486 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: pretty small kind of India. And also, as I told 487 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: Fran last night, it's the only Twilight movie directed by 488 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: a woman, Catherine Hardwick Hardwick lifting her up in prayer 489 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: and that baseball scene gave birth to me. Okay, one 490 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: She was apparently the highest grossing female director for like 491 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: any release at the time, which is crazy. But also, um, 492 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: I the first time we tried watching Twilight, I fell 493 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: asleep and then woke up during the baseball scene, and 494 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck is going on? Why 495 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: is there a plot culminating at the point of a 496 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: baseball game? And what does this have to do with 497 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: vampires versus werewolf? Well, the thing is that nothing happens 498 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: in Twilight. No, nothing, I kept asking. It was like 499 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: I think, okay, when they're it's like, we're fifty minutes 500 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: into the movie. They're fully in love, like the steaks 501 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: are like life and death, but they have barely had 502 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: a single conversation, like have not made out or kissed yet, 503 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like where, Like how did this happen into that? Yeah, 504 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: that's right, very like we don't even need to talk. 505 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: Do you think it's a horny movie? Despite them being 506 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: very chased? Well, yeah, I feel like the whole entire 507 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: series is just edging until they finally in that aisle 508 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: as May and and you know, their sex scenes like 509 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: they're supposed to be, you know, like the hottest thing ever, 510 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: the best, Like there's that line, but what Bella doesn't 511 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: bring Dawn part two? Like how we ever going to 512 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: do anything else? And like their sex looked horrible. They 513 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: just don't cut to the bed being broken. They didn't 514 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: show the back to it was like one crunch under 515 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: Edward's hand. And I will say that unfortunately that was 516 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: working for me. It's like I can't even imagine. I 517 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: think what they were may be trying to do is 518 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: like leaving it up to the imagination. But that's not 519 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: It's never been great writing. Don't get it twisted. These 520 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: books were not well written. No, that was another thing 521 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: I was explaining to France Um that the movies are 522 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: significantly cooler than the books. Like I was talking about 523 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: the khaki skirt. So, for anyone who's not familiar in 524 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: the in Twilight the novel, when Bella goes to meet 525 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: Um Edwards family, the infamous is she of an Italian scene. 526 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: Um in the books she has described as wearing her 527 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: sexiest outfit which makes Edward go crazy, and it is 528 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: a floor length khaki skirt. So if you didn't know 529 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: this book was written by a Mormon woman, that the 530 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: jig is up. Well, I mean, at least you know 531 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: the movie stuck to you know the literary principles, and 532 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: that Kristin Stewart was dressed terrible. The entire like everything 533 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: she wore was like coals? Do you have that? Did 534 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: you see the TikTok of like, um, what is this 535 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 1: like Bella Swan sale going on at Arica half but 536 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: like my girl loved Headley double like double layer, double layer, 537 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: low rise jeans, horrible card against Oh my god, the 538 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: card again that she wears to the dress at the end. 539 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: This is so humiliating. Why did she do that though? 540 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 1: I mean, well because because Bella is the not like 541 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: other girls girl, Yeah she is, that's her. That's her 542 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: whole thing. Well, her her only character trait is that 543 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,959 Speaker 1: she's awkward, right, and that's it okay, And they're like obsessed. 544 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: I love that, love love love it. And I was 545 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: just like I think at that time they're like not 546 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: to take this somewhere else, but like Christmas, who I 547 00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 1: do think is like my wife obviously obviously that's you 548 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: know she's listening, hey girl. Um, but I feel like 549 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: it was always tough to be like this skinny, tiny, 550 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 1: little ciss white girl is like the epitome of like 551 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: everyone wants. So we're talking Jacob, we're talking Edward, like 552 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: even that little freaky vampire the want to kill her 553 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: like and then I'm sitting here like huh her, well, 554 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: like Kristen Stewart. Yes, different Bella huh okay um, she's 555 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: nice hair. In the first movie, like there was not 556 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: much there to work with and that felt offensive to witnessed. 557 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: To be witnessed too. Yeah, the movie, the movies really 558 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: and the books kind of tell and don't show why 559 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: Bella is interesting, why her and Edward are in love. 560 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: It's just that like they are, so that's it. They 561 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: are in love. They have the greatest love that has 562 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: ever existed, and that's just it. And Liken Hendrick had 563 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: points in that movie she she was. Last night, Fran asked, 564 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: does Anna Kendrick become a vampire? Can you imagine she 565 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 1: should have happened, because she would like check all of 566 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: these period she would have been, she would have been, 567 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: she would have killed Victoria, and she would have killed 568 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: all the colors. I mean when we were that was 569 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: another question that I had when we were watching is 570 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: this we were like looking through I was like asking 571 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: about like when people were watching this from the start, 572 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: did it immediately have like a like a kind of 573 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: like lesbian subtext to it, Like was like the awkwardness 574 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: of like Kristen Stewart like kind of a part of that, 575 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: Like I don't know what a lot of people fell 576 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: in love with when they first watched it. I mean 577 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: when I first watched it, I don't know if I 578 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: I think I was adding in any subtext because I 579 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: just was like a baby gay And then like later though, 580 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: I remember, like one, I always hated Alice. I never 581 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:05,359 Speaker 1: understood like the Alice Bella shipping like that. I guess, 582 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: Dean Rosalie, thank you, That's what I'm like, Um, bully me. 583 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: Actually this is what and we can unpack that later. 584 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: But like I was just like Alice and her. I 585 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: didn't understand Rosalie and her I was shipping that. And 586 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: I feel like Edward is also by proxy a lesbian 587 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: as well, obviously sure, yeah, yeah, he dresses like he 588 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: does he does and just like is a little controlling. 589 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: And it's also and he drives like you know, a 590 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: Volvo be sponsored by Volvo, like the ugliest cars, the 591 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: ugliest cars, Like well, it's like it's like k it 592 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: was like that was the one thing. She's like he 593 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: has to drive, Okay, listen, he contract die on this hill. 594 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: The thing about like the Volvos and the khaki skirts 595 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: and like the intensity of like their immediate connection all 596 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: that stuff. Like when I was watching again, like with 597 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: no context, it's just like immediately vibes like an as 598 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: in like an allegory for like the prison of heterosexuality, 599 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Well, yeah, because eventually they 600 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 1: get married. As soon as she graduates from high school, 601 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: she immediately gets pregnant and dies and then and then 602 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: they are together forever. Yeah, exactly. And also there's like 603 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: I mean there's watching it like retrospectively, we now know 604 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: that like both of those actors like kind of hate 605 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 1: the film now, like don't have like a I guess, 606 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Robert Pattinson says he regrets it, right question marks. 607 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: I think he's come around to it more recently. I 608 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: think so too, And I think like what's probably tough 609 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: about that is not just like the obviously the cringe 610 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: e elements of it, of course, but I think it's 611 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: also the relationship was so tied to that relation to 612 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: that movie, and I feel like what they went through 613 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: in there, and I don't know them just for the 614 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: record of personally, but I could understand how like being 615 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: in such a young intense relationship in a very very 616 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: visible movie and like at that time was probably the 617 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: most stressful, terrible experience, like you can't do anything at 618 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,399 Speaker 1: all together. And then like, I don't know, I think 619 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: that when I think about the movies, I always think 620 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: about the relationship to like it's almost impossible for me 621 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,839 Speaker 1: to not think about like the you know, would never 622 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: mention his name here, but like think about who tweeted 623 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: about the cheating scandals when for about well, Twilight Mania, 624 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 1: you know, like the the whole celebrity gossip culture of 625 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: because you know, this was still the late odds, early 626 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, celebrity gossip culture. They were on every magazine 627 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: when she cheated on him. That was the biggest story 628 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: in the world. Um, so yeah, there must be there 629 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: must have been so much pressure on them about those movies, 630 00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: and especially thinking like an audience of primarily young women, Um, 631 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: it just must have been a lot. Yeah. I just 632 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: felt like that must that that stress must be tied 633 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: both of those things. Of like that movie that doesn't 634 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: feel like a full representation because I think people watch 635 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: that movie and they're like, oh, christ and Sets a 636 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: terrible actress, And I'm like, if you don't fucking go 637 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: watch Personal Shopper and shut then up. A personal shopper 638 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: Stand podcast. Good to know I'm in good company. Um, 639 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, like that like summation 640 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: of both of them actually, but like brab Pttson was 641 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: an amazing actor and so was Kristen, But um, I 642 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: feel like they're just like we have to move so 643 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: so deeply far away from that so that we can 644 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: maybe now like settle in that fact. But also when 645 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: you're a celebrity, you're just kind of immediately treated as 646 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: an adult. But like Kristen sir was so wasn't she seventeen? 647 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,479 Speaker 1: She was cast? Oh my god, that's great. And Robert 648 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,399 Speaker 1: Pattinson was like twenty one or something. They were, even 649 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: though he the makeup and everything makes him look like 650 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: he's like thirty four, I don't think he looks. But yeah, 651 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: we need to talk somewhere about some of the other 652 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: stylistic choices, because the thing is everyone's hair and looks 653 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: changed from movie to movie. There is no consistency whatsoever. 654 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,720 Speaker 1: Rosalie is kind of like done the dirtiest um Jasper. Also, 655 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: his hair in the in Twilight is rough. Yeah, he 656 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: goes through it. He also was a confederate sold to 657 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: those um Carlyle is I don't know. There are sometimes 658 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 1: where I think he's kind of hot, there's others. Fran 659 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: was commenting that the scene the flashback of Carlyle turning 660 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: Edward into a vampire very home that they definitely, you know, 661 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: Edward tells Bella that he's a virgin but with girls, 662 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: and we talk about like the construct of virginity in 663 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: this franchise because they're both virgins, right, there's this kind 664 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: of like attention toward like purity culture and like the 665 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: perfect like I've never been in love before, I've never 666 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: had sex before, but like he was like a hundred 667 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: and eight and like you're a virgin, like loser like. 668 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 1: But the thing is, the whole, the whole, main plot 669 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: of all of Twilight is Bella trying to get that dick. Yes, 670 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: she's just trying to funk and that's what she's going through. 671 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and eventually it kills her. I get that 672 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: among us has not. She is so horny and he's like, nope, 673 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: we have to wait until we get married. And then 674 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: they get married and have sex and she dies. She's 675 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: like worth it. And that is that supposed to be 676 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: like an allegory for Mormonism or whatever like that kind 677 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: of like part of this Stephanie Stephanie Meyer, who wrote 678 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: Twilight is a Mormon, and wait, still a practicing Mormon. 679 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: What I thought at least she would have given it 680 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: up as she entered society or something. She hasn't entered society. 681 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: She doesn't tweet. She stays quiet. YEA, that's actually a 682 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 1: really wise choice so we can still enjoy Twilight because 683 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: because I think if she was tweeting, it would be 684 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 1: a different story. Absolutely, Oh my god, there are all 685 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,879 Speaker 1: these little things when I think about Twilight at these 686 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:43,479 Speaker 1: moments that like, it's been really reassuring to see on 687 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: TikTok or someone noticing because I felt like at the time, 688 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: like this is such a small example. But I remember 689 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: thinking and like losing my mind over when she was 690 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: shaking the catchup in the first movie and nothing comes 691 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: out and then she puts it back down, and I 692 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 1: remember were being like, what the fuck? And I think 693 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 1: it was like the most annoying thing. Why does she 694 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,760 Speaker 1: hold the catch up like that? Her grip is so loose. 695 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: Girl is a microcosm for this film. It is it 696 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: is a woman who has truly virtually no free will 697 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: and tell like a man tells her what her desires 698 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: love so she can barely squeeze a catch up Like 699 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: that makes complete sense to me. I think I understood 700 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: it immediately. I do want to talk a little about 701 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:36,560 Speaker 1: Twilight and like vampire Cannon, because these vampires are not 702 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: vampiric um. You know, I love vampire media. I grew 703 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: up on Buffy Um interview with a vampire. And you know, 704 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot of the things that people a 705 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 1: lot of the criticism about Twilight when it first came 706 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: out was like, these vampires are dumb, they sparkle, they 707 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: don't have thangs. Um, what are you into? You know, 708 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: we touched on the vampire your Diaries, but are you 709 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: into other vampires stuff? And how do you think Twilight compares? 710 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: What was that HBO show Blood? Yeah? I was knee deeper. 711 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: I want to do bad the best opening credits? Yeah 712 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: so good. Also like cast um, it's really good. I 713 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,920 Speaker 1: thank you. I've been practicing. Um. Yeah, I think like 714 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: I've seen an interview with the vampire. I didn't really 715 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,000 Speaker 1: like compare them because it doesn't feel it feels like 716 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 1: two different worlds for me. And maybe that answers your question. Well, 717 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,839 Speaker 1: that's kind of what's missing from Twilight's Vampires is an 718 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: element of camp. And I think maybe that's kind of 719 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: what we're exploring through the Twilight extended universe now, Like 720 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: on TikTok and meme, culture is making this thing camp 721 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: be rather than ironic. Um, you know, like the bella, 722 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: where have you been? Loca of it all? Like in 723 00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:00,319 Speaker 1: The Ringer, that's low key the sleeper for me. And 724 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,280 Speaker 1: I do think I set you a voice aboutn't almost 725 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,439 Speaker 1: sending time of voice because just like, uh, you should 726 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 1: have seen me while we're watching the movie last night 727 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,319 Speaker 1: when that came out. I was like, brand this is 728 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: the best song. This is the banger, And I was 729 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: like yeah, and I did say I think. I think 730 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 1: like the soundtrack is like of why I love Twilight such. 731 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like, do you have a favorite 732 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: song out of any movies? I do. I think the 733 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: one that starts at all that when a than Bush 734 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 1: that is one of the best. I also really love 735 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 1: Satellite Heart. New Moon was I mean, that was my 736 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: favorite movie and my favorite soundtrack. Honestly, Okay, why is 737 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: New Moon and your favorite movie? Because it's also mine? 738 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,320 Speaker 1: You know what? I actually think about that. I was 739 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: thinking about that on the way here, and I was like, 740 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: why is it? I think maybe because because I'm not 741 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,879 Speaker 1: team Jacob, never happen, never will be UM, and so 742 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: I don't know why. And obviously most of the MOVI 743 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: we spent with their relationship UM, but I feel like 744 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: I understand deeply yearning UM and being sad for so 745 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: I think, like for me, Um, it's so bad when 746 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: you think about it now. But like even just the 747 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 1: editing of that one shot where just she's sitting in 748 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: her tailing out the window looking so dead in the eyes, 749 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 1: which is like I did like a dance to that song, 750 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: like a modern dance to you. Yes tell us, Mark 751 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 1: tell us? I mean, well I didn't. I did literally didn't. 752 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like me in my bedroom like I did. 753 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: I had a dance background, so it like kind of 754 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,880 Speaker 1: makes sense in context. But like, is there a video? 755 00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 1: I hope not, maybe like my mom might have like 756 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: a DVD from I'm Gonna, I'm gonna after we record, 757 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,439 Speaker 1: like I heard you're also a twyart and you also 758 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,280 Speaker 1: have footage, but yeah, we should needs to be a guest. Yeah. Anyway, 759 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: so we did a dance to possibility in my like 760 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,880 Speaker 1: in front of like an audience, in front of like 761 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: living people. Yeah. Wow, and they must have went wild. 762 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: Yeah they were. Like was the second movie the one 763 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,479 Speaker 1: where Robert Pattinson's abs are spray painted on? Yes? Wow, 764 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,920 Speaker 1: that was also jarring. I was apparently he just didn't 765 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: like working out or something. He could barely live. Christen Stewart, 766 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 1: whose mind you like ninety pounds just to drop her. 767 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 1: I do think that Twilight is the best movie because 768 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,400 Speaker 1: it's like the purest crystallization of what Twilight is. But 769 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: New Moon's my favorite because of the yearning, because of 770 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,840 Speaker 1: you know, I do love like an angst plot line 771 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 1: where someone gets left and then they get back together 772 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: at the end. And but I also think she lets 773 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: him off the hook too easily and should make him 774 00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 1: work for it a little bit more. Absolutely does he 775 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 1: work for it? Forgives him immediately. Yeah. It also doesn't 776 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,760 Speaker 1: make any sense to me, like his logic of oh, 777 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,920 Speaker 1: first of all, let's go back to like that he 778 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,759 Speaker 1: left her in a forest alone. She could have died. 779 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: She could have died, and then God Jacob was there 780 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,840 Speaker 1: to pick her up exactly. Sam, I was like one 781 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 1: of the Wolves, like hate for what he did to 782 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: Leah Clearwater? Who is he absolutely lesbian icon? Yes? Yes, 783 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: where y'all when he first started consuming the franchise, Where 784 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,879 Speaker 1: y'all team Edward the whole time? Or did you ever 785 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,360 Speaker 1: waiver or like, because I know they were like teams. 786 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 1: That was like a big part of what I don't 787 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: think I really cared that much. Who was Yeah, it 788 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 1: was just I was there for the I was there 789 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: for the vibe. Yeah, what about you firmly team Team Edward? Wow? 790 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 1: I did not. I was just like this is this 791 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: seems like child's play, and like they I can hang 792 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,400 Speaker 1: with them, like I can hang with the group. But 793 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,040 Speaker 1: like Jacob also was like a small infant baby to me, 794 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,400 Speaker 1: even when they were like he's grown up, and I 795 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: was like, but he's yeah, but he's like sixteen in 796 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,200 Speaker 1: New Moon and you know, you hear about what they 797 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,239 Speaker 1: made Taylor lawtn er due to like bulk up for 798 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,800 Speaker 1: New Moon and it's actually don't know they do because 799 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,760 Speaker 1: he you know he in Twilight, he's very young. Um 800 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,839 Speaker 1: and New Moon they told him he had to put 801 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: on all this muscle or else they were going to 802 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: recast him and he's like he was like sixteen or 803 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: seventeen years old. I will say, had I consumed this 804 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 1: like at the time it came out, I'm sure I 805 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 1: would have been Team Jacob because I think a lot 806 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: of what Edward was giving is like that kind of 807 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,759 Speaker 1: like petulant child energy constantly like having to like take 808 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 1: care of him or whatever, like similar to like that 809 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,360 Speaker 1: you know, game, not Game of Thrones, hunger games, um, 810 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,120 Speaker 1: and like I probably would have been, you know, team Gail, 811 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,839 Speaker 1: not team Peter. You know what your team Peter. All 812 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: he can do is throw sacks of flower. What is 813 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 1: that though? And he he loves her so much, Yeah, 814 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,839 Speaker 1: but he's like, how is he going to defend her from? Well, 815 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:16,879 Speaker 1: he did it famously. I have to also say while 816 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,879 Speaker 1: we were watching this last night, I turned to Rose 817 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, you know, complaining 818 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,799 Speaker 1: about like the lack of like you know, people of 819 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,600 Speaker 1: color in this movie. And I was like, like, I 820 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,760 Speaker 1: was like, well, what kind of like you know, Spicy 821 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: is like Taylor Lawtner And Rose was like, I think 822 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: he's Latin X And I was like, oh maybe, And 823 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,200 Speaker 1: I was like, could be Filipino. And we googled he's 824 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:38,480 Speaker 1: fully white, a Wrench German and Dutch like or whatever. 825 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,880 Speaker 1: Like it was like I was like, oh, that's it's 826 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 1: and then like there was something that was like some 827 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,840 Speaker 1: very like one sixteen like of this Native American or whatever, 828 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 1: like you're applying to college, Like shut up? Um do 829 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 1: you follow? Do you like follow? Or see the videos 830 00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: of Twilight talks on TikTok. She's the woman who she 831 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,360 Speaker 1: has like a Twilight aesthetic background behind her and she 832 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:06,799 Speaker 1: does these like deep dives into Twilight and they're really interesting. Yeah, 833 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,760 Speaker 1: she's fascinating. If you are interested in Twilight, go follow 834 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: her because her whole thing is like she says she 835 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,360 Speaker 1: loves Twilight and she hates it so like she talks 836 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: about her obsession for it, but it is also super 837 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,880 Speaker 1: critical of it. And one of the things she was 838 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 1: saying is um about how resistant Stephanie Meyer was to 839 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:28,520 Speaker 1: casting people of color and Twilight. That surprised me, and 840 00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,120 Speaker 1: that she Stephanie Meyer has made it cannon through some 841 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 1: like extended universe book that when people become vampires that 842 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:41,839 Speaker 1: leeches the melanin from their skin, so that no, not 843 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:48,360 Speaker 1: that that is wine one one. Yeah, Well she apparently 844 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 1: didn't want it, like she wouldn't like cast a black 845 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,759 Speaker 1: character into the first movie, Like Stephanie Meyer was like 846 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 1: resistant to and then she was like, oh no, we 847 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,560 Speaker 1: could do this if it's the bad one, if it's 848 00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,840 Speaker 1: the villain, and that's how they cast Laurent or whatever. 849 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,800 Speaker 1: And I think Katherine Hardwick wanted Alice to be Asian 850 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: and Stephanie Meyer was just like, no, this is my vision. 851 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,760 Speaker 1: They're like, you'll get that one like woman that works 852 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,440 Speaker 1: in the cafe, and she's like, and I've done my 853 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,360 Speaker 1: due diligence, like okay, she's a legend. Though she is, 854 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 1: she is okay. Catherine Hardwick reportedly reportedly said that they 855 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,120 Speaker 1: could make an argument for casting Laurent because in the 856 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:29,400 Speaker 1: book he was described as having olive skin. What was 857 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: in the book? It was like the darkest person described 858 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,560 Speaker 1: the book. Oh my god, that's horrible. It's giving very 859 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,920 Speaker 1: like her money could have been black. Like, O, friend, 860 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 1: you have you said you seen Breaking Down Part one, 861 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,640 Speaker 1: which I do think is amazing. It's kind of like 862 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,600 Speaker 1: a horror movie. It was did you wait? This is important? 863 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,799 Speaker 1: How did you feel when you saw Breaking Down Part two? 864 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,680 Speaker 1: Because I have a visceral memory of Yeah, I remember 865 00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 1: watching the fight scene and so for our listeners, if 866 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,480 Speaker 1: you don't know, Breaking Dawn part to the movie takes 867 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: some artistic liberties. Um, and there is a vision of 868 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,919 Speaker 1: the Volturi and the Collins clashing and tons of people 869 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,360 Speaker 1: die and then it turns out it's all just a 870 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 1: vision that Alice has I was shook, I was down 871 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:25,400 Speaker 1: bad I but I kind of loved it because I thought, Okay, 872 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,320 Speaker 1: maybe they're really going there and we're getting this crazy 873 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,840 Speaker 1: like battle of Hogwarts Harry Potter and the definitely hollows 874 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,800 Speaker 1: part to like climax and Stephanie Meyers like whatever funk it? 875 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't care. YEA, literally that needs to be a 876 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,200 Speaker 1: TikTok is. Can you put that out of your TikTok 877 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: a state for a breaking down barth day, Wendy Williams. Um. 878 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,440 Speaker 1: But I loved it, and I do wish that was 879 00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,479 Speaker 1: the end of Breaking Dawn Part two too. I wish 880 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,520 Speaker 1: it actually happened, because it also just took someone. Do 881 00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,800 Speaker 1: I remember we being I was in college when I 882 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,960 Speaker 1: came out, and I took my friends to go see 883 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,040 Speaker 1: it in theaters. Obviously I had to do a lot 884 00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 1: of bullying to get that to happen, and I was 885 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,600 Speaker 1: just like in shambles, crying, like so confused, but also 886 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,239 Speaker 1: like I guess this is happening, and I'm like having 887 00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,760 Speaker 1: this big emotional outpour and like, you know, for these characters. 888 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,120 Speaker 1: And then I was a little pissed when it was 889 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 1: just a vision. It's so annoying. I also do kind 890 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:27,920 Speaker 1: of think that Twilight should have ended with Eclipse, like 891 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,759 Speaker 1: a clip should be the last one. Bella should just 892 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 1: become a vampire at the end. Um, have you ever 893 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,200 Speaker 1: fucked with Midnight Sun? Absolutely? Which book is? So? Midnight 894 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,759 Speaker 1: Sun is a is Twilight from Edward's perspective and released it. 895 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,480 Speaker 1: I can't think of anything I would want less. Finally, 896 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,720 Speaker 1: time for a man's pod And we hadn't been getting 897 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,399 Speaker 1: that the whole book, even though it's told through her, 898 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 1: like it really just feels like he controls everything. I've 899 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,759 Speaker 1: never read it, So what did you glean from it? Well? 900 00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 1: So I never I didn't read. You know, she just 901 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,560 Speaker 1: released it maybe like a year or so ago, but 902 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,560 Speaker 1: I didn't read that. What I read was when it 903 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,720 Speaker 1: got leaked the PDF, I like downloaded it and read 904 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 1: like the um it was like the first maybe like 905 00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,520 Speaker 1: few chapters. I think I was just a one too. 906 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,160 Speaker 1: She was real pist about that. She wrote this letter 907 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,680 Speaker 1: on her website, being like, you've just like fucked with 908 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,839 Speaker 1: the integrity of this book, and like you you were 909 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,319 Speaker 1: my fans like down now, I'm never going to release 910 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,040 Speaker 1: the rest, and everyone's like, shut up, we got what 911 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:30,719 Speaker 1: we needed. But yeah, really, And so I was like 912 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,319 Speaker 1: I was only reading it because I just wanted more, 913 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,799 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, in the same way like 914 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,560 Speaker 1: I had watched movies and was like, Okay, I want more, 915 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,560 Speaker 1: So I'll start to read the books. You should fan fiction. Yeah, 916 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,680 Speaker 1: that's a good point. Maybe I'll do that now. Have 917 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 1: you read Life and Death? So Life and Death is 918 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,239 Speaker 1: because you know, there was so much criticism about the 919 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,520 Speaker 1: sort of like gender stereotyping and how like so much 920 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,560 Speaker 1: of the criticism about Twilight is how Bella has no 921 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,120 Speaker 1: agency and she's just kind of like a damsel in distress. 922 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: So Stephanie Meyer was like, well, and she wrote a 923 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:08,600 Speaker 1: version of Twilight where the gender roles are swapped and 924 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:15,880 Speaker 1: it's Edith Cullen and bow no no no. The bar 925 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,239 Speaker 1: is in the Earth's crust, And what I believe is 926 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,040 Speaker 1: that the book ends with the with the bell the 927 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,880 Speaker 1: male Bella character Bow just becoming a vampire, and Stephanie 928 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: basically disproves her entire point that the move that the 929 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,920 Speaker 1: book would the story would be exactly the same if 930 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,680 Speaker 1: the gender was swapped, because it's fully not and you know, 931 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,640 Speaker 1: it's just like she is. We can never trust these 932 00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:48,719 Speaker 1: women behind me? Do we think that that she who 933 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 1: must not be named and Stephanie Meyer have ever interacted 934 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,880 Speaker 1: without a doubt? I mean they text. I mean they 935 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,240 Speaker 1: both definitely hate women. I think that is like clear 936 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,839 Speaker 1: I feel, but I feel like when I was like like, 937 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, there's something about I mean, I was 938 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,799 Speaker 1: the Diatlentina has this really amazing essay that um has 939 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,279 Speaker 1: this like treout of like Bella Catanius and who's in 940 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,440 Speaker 1: Fifty Shades of Anastasia Steel. But the thing is Steal 941 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,120 Speaker 1: is Bella sUAS. So how can you talk about them 942 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,040 Speaker 1: as if they're different people? Because because the Fifty Shades 943 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,799 Speaker 1: of Gray is literally a Twilight fan fiction, so Anastasia 944 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,359 Speaker 1: is just a Bella. But Anastasia I think that the yeah, 945 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:33,400 Speaker 1: exactly the vivity Shades of I mean we would have 946 00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,480 Speaker 1: watched it, but like basically that there's this kind of 947 00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,760 Speaker 1: like men like kind of you know, it's they're reaching 948 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,920 Speaker 1: beyond their circumstances. It's so hard to be a man, 949 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,279 Speaker 1: and like everything is agony, and like women just have 950 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,080 Speaker 1: to kind of like shape their desires and like are 951 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,400 Speaker 1: defined by like whatever they want. But I think like 952 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:53,279 Speaker 1: Anastasia was kind of like the adultification of what was 953 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,840 Speaker 1: supposed to happen in Twilight. You know, like they actually 954 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,040 Speaker 1: have sex, which like doesn't happen for like a lot 955 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,520 Speaker 1: of Well that's just that's because it's a in fiction, 956 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,000 Speaker 1: and that's what happens in fan fiction is people fuck. 957 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,279 Speaker 1: You're like, let's just skip a couple of steps and 958 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,359 Speaker 1: get straighty sometimes very um kinkly. They fuck. I forgot 959 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:17,960 Speaker 1: her name was Anastasia Steele. Anastasia Steel, terrible. Do you 960 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,840 Speaker 1: funk with fifty Shades of Grey? Um? I saw it, 961 00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:27,400 Speaker 1: So that's my answer. I love fifty Shades of Gray. 962 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,440 Speaker 1: I love Twilight. We will be having another episode, Yeah, 963 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,080 Speaker 1: we will be doing it. I've seen them. I want 964 00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:38,240 Speaker 1: there to me. They are Valentine's Day movies and so 965 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:44,919 Speaker 1: I watched them every Valentine also great soundtracks. Oh my god, 966 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:52,840 Speaker 1: Okay Beyonce, Okay, Gaslight, Gate keep girl Boss. Twilight characters, 967 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,240 Speaker 1: Um Edward is Gaslight. I just want to I just 968 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,640 Speaker 1: want to all the women, And that's what I did. 969 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:09,520 Speaker 1: Maybe I was just thinking immediately between, like girl Boss 970 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,959 Speaker 1: to me is actually Rosalie, and that's maybe just because 971 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:24,360 Speaker 1: I love her. Um Gaslight. Alice interesting, who's gay ky, 972 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 1: but that just really makes sense for Jane is there 973 00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:33,800 Speaker 1: Like Jane, She's the one I was telling played by 974 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:39,160 Speaker 1: legend Icon star Dakoda Fanning, who can make people be 975 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,520 Speaker 1: in pain with her mind. Oh my god, in a 976 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,880 Speaker 1: way that's lesbian too. Who are the most felt it? 977 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,440 Speaker 1: Who are the most lesbian Twilight characters? Now, let's talk 978 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,240 Speaker 1: about it. Bella obviously, I mean, but only because she's 979 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,360 Speaker 1: in the gayest relationship I've ever seen in my life. 980 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,400 Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know why, but Alice is 981 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,800 Speaker 1: one of those people that's like just because she was 982 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,080 Speaker 1: a pixie cud, people think it's like queer, and I'm like, no, 983 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,440 Speaker 1: you don't get to be gay here. Maybe like she 984 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,240 Speaker 1: can like round up and say queer at some point, 985 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: but she's mostly and had her relationships. I see that 986 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,480 Speaker 1: for her, and then I think, like for me, and like, 987 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,240 Speaker 1: I don't know why I want to die on this hill, 988 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: But I really do think that Rosalie has and not 989 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,600 Speaker 1: like from any kind of trauma, because I don't think 990 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,880 Speaker 1: her and Emmet or fucking I think they're homies. I 991 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,520 Speaker 1: think they're really good homies who like to like six together, 992 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,280 Speaker 1: you know. But at the end of the day, and 993 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,880 Speaker 1: it's the girls. Um, but I feel like at the 994 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,640 Speaker 1: end of the day, like maybe all of her like 995 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,800 Speaker 1: hating of Bella and jealousy and all that was because 996 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:47,960 Speaker 1: she wanted to fuck her absolutely one hundred percent. Also like, 997 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,160 Speaker 1: oh and the one with the glasses, the friend, the 998 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,480 Speaker 1: normal friend with the glass oh Angela. Yeah yeah, just 999 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:58,880 Speaker 1: by appearance alone, yeah she Um, Rosalie is like one 1000 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,480 Speaker 1: of the best Twilight actors. I think you could do 1001 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,640 Speaker 1: a whole Rosalie origin story, because fran you don't know that, 1002 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,280 Speaker 1: so don't. Rosalie's origin is that she was um raped 1003 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,080 Speaker 1: by her fiance and a bunch of his friends. I 1004 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,560 Speaker 1: love to die Carl Royle turned her into a vampire, 1005 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,920 Speaker 1: and then she goes when she's a new vampire and 1006 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,360 Speaker 1: kills them all. But she like haunts them. First she 1007 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,440 Speaker 1: does like she does a whole show. She like wears 1008 01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,760 Speaker 1: her wedding dress and like stalks them and then shows 1009 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:34,400 Speaker 1: up like an avenging ghost like them. Yeah, I need 1010 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:39,040 Speaker 1: an HBO limited series about Rosalie's life. I would fucking 1011 01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,800 Speaker 1: watch the ship out of that absolutely. Okay, but you're saying, Okay, 1012 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 1: you were saying Rosalie is maybe one of them more lesbionic. 1013 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,880 Speaker 1: Can we talk about more about like what about like 1014 01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,280 Speaker 1: the relationship you said it was the gayest relationship I've 1015 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,240 Speaker 1: ever seen? What about it was very gay to well 1016 01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:59,280 Speaker 1: between Just for specifying between Edward and Bella specifically, I 1017 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,240 Speaker 1: think like or the immediacy and I'm like wondering where 1018 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,920 Speaker 1: and I'm packing this now of like my attracted to 1019 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,240 Speaker 1: both of them and then to that relationship specifically culture. 1020 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,240 Speaker 1: It was like I was speaking a lot out in 1021 01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,280 Speaker 1: that time. Um, but I feel like with them, it's 1022 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,400 Speaker 1: just like all of it have that like magnetic thing 1023 01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,760 Speaker 1: that you can always kind of use as like a 1024 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what's the word, Like when you first 1025 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,560 Speaker 1: start like dating or seeing someone, you're like it's just 1026 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,080 Speaker 1: like I can't even explain. It's an allegory of clearing 1027 01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,520 Speaker 1: and you don't understand your own desis. It's like the 1028 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,240 Speaker 1: unspoken is already there. It's all in the subjects, even 1029 01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,520 Speaker 1: though it absolutely wasn't. I was writing the subject in 1030 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,680 Speaker 1: my head, unclear any motives of any character at any time. 1031 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:59,240 Speaker 1: God so good and the Bonnie Bear on that track, Okay, 1032 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,400 Speaker 1: you notice that. Um yeah, I just think there was 1033 01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,560 Speaker 1: so much like yearning there. There was so much like 1034 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,120 Speaker 1: in Oh God, I was like in the quiet of 1035 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,320 Speaker 1: their relationship, and that was like way too much to 1036 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,120 Speaker 1: give to them. That was generous of me to say 1037 01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,400 Speaker 1: to them. But like, and I also think the way 1038 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,120 Speaker 1: they just like the way they move so fast away, 1039 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,760 Speaker 1: the stakes always felt so high even when they weren't. Um, 1040 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,160 Speaker 1: I felt, we're just like inherently queer and like sapphic. 1041 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,920 Speaker 1: So it's just like, I know I need to be 1042 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,000 Speaker 1: a part of that. I need to tap myself into 1043 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,520 Speaker 1: that relationship. Does does Stephanie Meyer, like, does she love 1044 01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,800 Speaker 1: her gay fans or whatever? Does she not think? She 1045 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:42,640 Speaker 1: has comment very specific reason, And I'm just saying, just 1046 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,160 Speaker 1: just enjoy, like you know, count your money. Let me 1047 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,800 Speaker 1: know if a theme park opens one day, but other 1048 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,520 Speaker 1: than that, I don't need to hear from you. What 1049 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:56,400 Speaker 1: would a Twilight theme park even be. You go to Italy, 1050 01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,560 Speaker 1: there would be an Italian restaurant and when it would 1051 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,800 Speaker 1: be called Italian? Wait, this is so random, but do 1052 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,840 Speaker 1: you remember that like one waitress that was trying to 1053 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,280 Speaker 1: it was like her last night with the Bangs, the 1054 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:16,480 Speaker 1: like rockabilly girl, and she's so rude to Bella and 1055 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,880 Speaker 1: she's like, hey, Edward, I'll go suck your dick in 1056 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,600 Speaker 1: the bathroom even though you're here with this other girl. 1057 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:26,000 Speaker 1: And she just ordered mushroom ravioli. Right. Oh, this is 1058 01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,480 Speaker 1: something stick and twisted, and I've I've gone on record 1059 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,560 Speaker 1: about this before, but Bella like loves mushrooms, and I 1060 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,160 Speaker 1: and christ and Stewart actually was saying randomly, the sore 1061 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,400 Speaker 1: random that she like mushrooms. I hated mushrooms at the time, 1062 01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:42,120 Speaker 1: and I convinced myself to like mushrooms because of Bella. Yes, well, 1063 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,360 Speaker 1: at least she has a third at least she has 1064 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,240 Speaker 1: a third character trait tale and she likes mushrooms. Oh, 1065 01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:52,760 Speaker 1: you also can read, and like she she she likes 1066 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,680 Speaker 1: to read, but in a very unspecific way. She's like, 1067 01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:01,880 Speaker 1: I love books. Don't ever ask me about them, and like, 1068 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:03,760 Speaker 1: what the what's what are they listening to when she 1069 01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,680 Speaker 1: turns on the music, And he was like, Oh, it's 1070 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:13,040 Speaker 1: just she's like I love Also, I was watching Twilight 1071 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:17,480 Speaker 1: talks that TikTok this morning and in Midnight sun apparently 1072 01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,200 Speaker 1: Edwards like Edward asked, mellow, what's in your CD player 1073 01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:28,920 Speaker 1: right now? And she says lake in Dark? No? No? Shoot. Um, 1074 01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,680 Speaker 1: you know what a lot of people talk about with 1075 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:50,320 Speaker 1: Twilight is that Twilight is the ultimate Mary Sue story. 1076 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,400 Speaker 1: And what is Mary? So? Mary Sue is a trope 1077 01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,600 Speaker 1: in fan fiction and literature which is basically a self 1078 01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:02,200 Speaker 1: insertion character of the author who is like perfect and 1079 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,640 Speaker 1: the story centers around and like she never does anything 1080 01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,120 Speaker 1: wrong and she's super special for no reason. And Bella 1081 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:14,200 Speaker 1: is the Mary Sue of Mary sus um quintessential. And 1082 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,800 Speaker 1: I thought it would be fun to today make you 1083 01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,160 Speaker 1: the Mary Sue and we're going to build a Twilight 1084 01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:25,840 Speaker 1: fan fiction around you. Um, so you're in a Twilight 1085 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:30,520 Speaker 1: fan fiction. You're the self insertion character, my own fellow 1086 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,160 Speaker 1: right off the bat, who's your love interest in this 1087 01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,720 Speaker 1: fan fiction? Okay? Well I have to ask you a 1088 01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,480 Speaker 1: question that this is like people, this is we're still 1089 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,960 Speaker 1: in the Twilight We're in the Twilight world. Okay, Rosalie 1090 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,800 Speaker 1: obviously obviously, how do you mean? Um? Why am I 1091 01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:53,440 Speaker 1: going with the small Well? That kind of goes with 1092 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,520 Speaker 1: my next question is what kind of universe is it? 1093 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,520 Speaker 1: Because you know in fan fiction they like to take 1094 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,600 Speaker 1: the story and set it in different universes. Is this like, 1095 01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,200 Speaker 1: are we in a Hunger game this version of Twilight? 1096 01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,200 Speaker 1: Are we in a Harry Potter version of Twilight? Are 1097 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,800 Speaker 1: we in a nice little coffee shop at or you 1098 01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,000 Speaker 1: go to the coffee shop and resilies the barista and 1099 01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,400 Speaker 1: fall in. Yeah, okay, wait you're speaking to me there. 1100 01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,640 Speaker 1: We're in like a lesbian only in we're in bed stye. 1101 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,840 Speaker 1: I'm just like making it like Laurel's gonna listen to this, 1102 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,320 Speaker 1: to be like god fucking damn it. Let it rest. Um, Okay, No, 1103 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,920 Speaker 1: I think we are. I kind of don't to just 1104 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,200 Speaker 1: make it like present day almost like like right now, 1105 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:38,120 Speaker 1: like I'm working on my laptop to you hear that? Yeah? Yeah, um, 1106 01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,040 Speaker 1: she's not the barista though she comes in. She asked 1107 01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,160 Speaker 1: to borrow the chair next to me. This could go 1108 01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,120 Speaker 1: on for too long A pause me when you need 1109 01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,439 Speaker 1: and then I look up and then there's like this 1110 01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,600 Speaker 1: is the gay moment, right, It's just like you just 1111 01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:53,600 Speaker 1: look lock eyes and then I'm like, yeah, you can 1112 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:58,640 Speaker 1: take it, go for it. Um. And so she was like, actually, instead, 1113 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,400 Speaker 1: do you mind if I sit? And I'm like, yeah, sure, Okay, 1114 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:07,960 Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening. Ironic moment. She's still a 1115 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,479 Speaker 1: vampire in this universe. Yeah, but I don't know. Okay, 1116 01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, we're still we're still doing vampires. 1117 01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,680 Speaker 1: I want that. I want to have to be able 1118 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,040 Speaker 1: to funk forever. Okay. So I love this. So you 1119 01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,480 Speaker 1: meet in a coffee shop, like you maybe start dating 1120 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,520 Speaker 1: and maybe maybe follow us. Like some of the structure 1121 01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,920 Speaker 1: of Twilight, what's the what's the conflict, who's the villain, 1122 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,760 Speaker 1: who's the enemy? Like what it what happens? You know, 1123 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,680 Speaker 1: like almost at the end of the movie, when Stephanie 1124 01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:34,600 Speaker 1: Meyer remembers like, oh, there should probably be a context. Um, 1125 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,439 Speaker 1: it's her ex who's was like one, let's say okay 1126 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,280 Speaker 1: all skin, let's give her all skin and someone has 1127 01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,240 Speaker 1: she has the type. Yeah, she broke her heart to 1128 01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:51,520 Speaker 1: pieces shambles comes comes back and it's like, I'm so sorry, 1129 01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,320 Speaker 1: I love you deeply. It's you. It's never been anyone else. 1130 01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,240 Speaker 1: And then it's the X also a vampire, yes, and 1131 01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,600 Speaker 1: the vampire that she this is before she meets me, 1132 01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,360 Speaker 1: and then she meets me, and then she also maybe 1133 01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:03,880 Speaker 1: falls in love with me, and then all three of 1134 01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,200 Speaker 1: us are like in a conflict of like, well who 1135 01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,280 Speaker 1: do I pick? It's a love triangles the Teamward team 1136 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,680 Speaker 1: Jacob situation, except its seam Rosalie team. Who's this other girl? 1137 01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,200 Speaker 1: Her name? Could? What could her name be? What? All 1138 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,240 Speaker 1: of their names are? So absorry? I know I was 1139 01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:25,320 Speaker 1: trying to think of something terrible? Christ Christian? Um? What 1140 01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:29,200 Speaker 1: is maybe? Can we throw in like another romantic trope? 1141 01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,639 Speaker 1: Like is there like an enemy's to love her situation? 1142 01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,360 Speaker 1: Is there a there was only one bed? Like you 1143 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,720 Speaker 1: both you're on a trap hotel and there's only one bed? 1144 01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:46,160 Speaker 1: You practice this? Um um? Okay, yeah, we're on a 1145 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:52,200 Speaker 1: group girls trip. Okay, we're why is we're rich? We're rich. 1146 01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,640 Speaker 1: We're rich. So there's things and there's money. Is a 1147 01:08:54,680 --> 01:09:00,000 Speaker 1: dynamic out of the sun. Vampires they can't sparkle um 1148 01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:04,599 Speaker 1: so we're in Aspen with our girl gang kidding that 1149 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:12,400 Speaker 1: was tough. Don't use that um. And then yeah, she's like, um, okay, 1150 01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:16,160 Speaker 1: so we have we have one room left and the 1151 01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,640 Speaker 1: three of us are there, and so do we just 1152 01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,880 Speaker 1: sucking it? I don't know, you all just there's only 1153 01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:22,960 Speaker 1: one bed in this room. It was a total mix 1154 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,759 Speaker 1: up with the book. And she offers to be the Aspen. 1155 01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,599 Speaker 1: She offers to like call caught in And then we're 1156 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,280 Speaker 1: sitting there and I guess we're like, it's I think 1157 01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,160 Speaker 1: it's okay, Um, this is not conflict. This is just 1158 01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:41,680 Speaker 1: me being horny. Yes, that's fine. Do you have a 1159 01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,840 Speaker 1: special power? Okay. I don't like him as a character, 1160 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,200 Speaker 1: but I do like that Jasper can control people's feelings 1161 01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:54,840 Speaker 1: and that's on manipulation. Jasper superpowers that he gaslights people 1162 01:09:55,080 --> 01:10:00,240 Speaker 1: and was a Confederate soldiery to listen Apple Oranges. Think 1163 01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,800 Speaker 1: I want to bring up is we laughed so hard 1164 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:07,080 Speaker 1: last night at the part where the apple falls and 1165 01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,599 Speaker 1: thinking of the c g I that had to exist 1166 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,919 Speaker 1: to make that happen, and like the hundreds of thousands, 1167 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,920 Speaker 1: if not millions of dollars that were spent to make 1168 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:24,320 Speaker 1: that dumb like three seconds scene, why it bounces off 1169 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:29,760 Speaker 1: of his foot. Yeah, it's just it doesn't They're like 1170 01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,439 Speaker 1: classic vampire things. They'll love it. But yeah, there's a 1171 01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,640 Speaker 1: lot of choices that are made, but I stand by 1172 01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:40,439 Speaker 1: all of them as the creator of the listeners. You 1173 01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,800 Speaker 1: can't see it right now, I'm holding an apple to 1174 01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,439 Speaker 1: paint in between my hands. That image also feels very 1175 01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,599 Speaker 1: saffiic to me. Of the apple. Well, I mean it's 1176 01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,360 Speaker 1: obviously you know, reference to Christian allegories Adam and Eve, 1177 01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,720 Speaker 1: forbidden fruit. I've heard of them. I've heard of them. 1178 01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:01,200 Speaker 1: People talk forbidden fruit. Um, Hayton, thank you so much 1179 01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,759 Speaker 1: for being here with us today and talking about Twilight 1180 01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,760 Speaker 1: with us. Um, what is your before you go like 1181 01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,720 Speaker 1: just what's your favorite thing about Twilight? But like you're 1182 01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,640 Speaker 1: like favorite weird thing about Twilight that you want to 1183 01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:20,120 Speaker 1: leave people with. I think, like, if you haven't watched it, 1184 01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:23,840 Speaker 1: just think about the choices of who is cast in 1185 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:29,120 Speaker 1: this movie. Just think about it. Just like, let Rommy 1186 01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,800 Speaker 1: just seep into your soul. Let Dakota like make your 1187 01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,080 Speaker 1: way in. Let Anna Kendrick, you know, do what she 1188 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,360 Speaker 1: needs to do. Yeah. God, and I'm still waiting for 1189 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:43,599 Speaker 1: the sixth movie where Anna Kendrick becomes a vampire. You 1190 01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,760 Speaker 1: are also on the receiving end of a lot of 1191 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:51,080 Speaker 1: Twilight content from strangers, And do you have a message 1192 01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,439 Speaker 1: for people in your d ms, you know, talking to 1193 01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,880 Speaker 1: you about Twilight, anything you you want to get off 1194 01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,160 Speaker 1: your chest. I will say I do get multiple d 1195 01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,880 Speaker 1: ms every day. I'm not kidding everything every single day, 1196 01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,879 Speaker 1: and like of some kind of Twilight meme or TikTok 1197 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,320 Speaker 1: or where Kristen stewarts geolocation is exact, and I'm like, 1198 01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:15,360 Speaker 1: that's okay, I'm not that scary. You can keep that information. Well, okay, 1199 01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:19,120 Speaker 1: sure that's not We don't want to know, but I 1200 01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,360 Speaker 1: will say I do appreciate it. It's nice to feel seeing. 1201 01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,200 Speaker 1: It's nice to have community and know that we are 1202 01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:27,920 Speaker 1: all on this chaotic evil ride of standing Twilight for 1203 01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:33,280 Speaker 1: the rest of your life. U. And with that, um, 1204 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,160 Speaker 1: let's We'll leave you with a song. I think you 1205 01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:46,560 Speaker 1: know the one that will you do with me? Harmony? 1206 01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:57,920 Speaker 1: That was okay, goodbye Vampires, Team Edward. Well, I hope 1207 01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:01,439 Speaker 1: all of you find sexy vamp hire who sparkles to 1208 01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:07,679 Speaker 1: have a um dermonic to be with Please please please 1209 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:12,680 Speaker 1: use caution when entering the dangerous algorithm of Twilight. TI 1210 01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,160 Speaker 1: cok okay. Yes. Next week we'll be back with a 1211 01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:23,559 Speaker 1: discussion on Scream, the iconic horror thriller franchise Slasher Movies, 1212 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,800 Speaker 1: just in time for Scream five. I actually haven't seen 1213 01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,080 Speaker 1: the fourth one. Still so oh the fourth one is 1214 01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,840 Speaker 1: so good. See I get mixed opinions on all of 1215 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,920 Speaker 1: the Screams, but we will discuss people discuss. Yes, if 1216 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:41,640 Speaker 1: you want to, please call us to um, you know, 1217 01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,880 Speaker 1: give a little confession about the thing um that you 1218 01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,360 Speaker 1: are so obsessed with the pop culture that if people 1219 01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,520 Speaker 1: in your life don't know about it, you have to 1220 01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,560 Speaker 1: pop their cherry. Um. You can call in three to 1221 01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:59,400 Speaker 1: three tenants. That's three two three seven three six two 1222 01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:03,160 Speaker 1: six two three. Please tweet us your takes on this 1223 01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,320 Speaker 1: week's episode. We want to hear what you think about 1224 01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,439 Speaker 1: Twilight or you team Edward? Are your team Jacob? Are 1225 01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:13,360 Speaker 1: you team Alice? Are you team Rosalie? I'm definitely team Rosalie. 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