WEBVTT - The Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. Part I

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and it's just the two of us today, which

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<v Speaker 2>is fine because we need to keep our nose to

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<v Speaker 2>the grindstone and really focus on a pair of really

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<v Speaker 2>important episodes which we kick off now.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. We haven't done a two parter in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>But as we got into the originally one part of

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<v Speaker 1>the assassination of Martin Luther King Junior, you were like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot more here that we can just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of explode this into a two parter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was verbatim what I.

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<v Speaker 3>Said, and I said, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a ton of stuff that I did not

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<v Speaker 2>know about mlk's assassination. Yeah, James lay like, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff around it, and it's just a reminder

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<v Speaker 2>that history gets so boiled down to like it's its

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<v Speaker 2>bare essence or even like a caricature of itself, and

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<v Speaker 2>when you really dig into like a historical event, you

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<v Speaker 2>just you're just reminded that there's just so many people

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<v Speaker 2>affected and involved, and it's not just you know, James

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<v Speaker 2>ear already shot Martin Luther King Junior, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the world mourned. I mean, right, that was all true,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was just so much more to it. So

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully we'll kind of get some of that across in.

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<v Speaker 1>This Yeah for sure. I mean, you know, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it some. But I went to I've been to

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<v Speaker 1>the King Center, I've been in the Civil Rights Museum

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<v Speaker 1>in Memphis at the Lorraine Motel, and like I've thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I knew a lot about this stuff, but until we

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<v Speaker 1>do our job.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we do, I learned a lot more. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>pretty great.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's talk MLKA because he kind of skyrocketed to

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<v Speaker 2>prominence from just the start. He became involved in the

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<v Speaker 2>Montgomery bus boycott, which most people say kicked off the

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<v Speaker 2>Civil rights era in the United States thanks to Rosa Parks,

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<v Speaker 2>who we did an episode on Rosa Parks Agent of Change.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember, that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, was gay?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah for sure, And all this is just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're setting the table kind of as a lead

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<v Speaker 1>in to where things were in April of nineteen sixty eight. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so like you said, you know, twelve this year's earlier

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<v Speaker 1>is when he really rose to prominence, and so much

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<v Speaker 1>so that in February of fifty seven, he was on

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<v Speaker 1>the cover of Time magazine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen sixty three he was Times Man of

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<v Speaker 1>the Year after being on the cover just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a handful of years earlier. And in nineteen sixty four

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<v Speaker 1>he won the Nobel Peace Prize. So he was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most famous Americans by the early nineteen sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, But one of the things you don't learn about

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<v Speaker 2>these days as often is that he was at that

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<v Speaker 2>point beginning to become widely criticized, not just by white Americans,

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<v Speaker 2>many of whom have been criticizing them all along, but

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<v Speaker 2>by black Americans as well. There was a real division

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<v Speaker 2>in the civil rights movement between Martin Luther King's vision

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<v Speaker 2>of his doctrine of non violence, which is basically saying like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to essentially do everything we can to show

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<v Speaker 2>white Americans the problems that black Americans face just by

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<v Speaker 2>being black in America, and no matter what they do

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<v Speaker 2>to us, we're not going to fight back, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to make an example of ourselves that we'll hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>set for them. And the ultimate goal was to integrate

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<v Speaker 2>into America, to integrate black Americans into America, so that

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<v Speaker 2>there wasn't Black America in white America, and that ran

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<v Speaker 2>very much contrary to the other rival idea, which was

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<v Speaker 2>Malcolm X's idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we haven't done one on Malcolm X yet,

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<v Speaker 1>so maybe we should. We should hit that up as

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<v Speaker 1>a follow up at some points, for sure. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this was, you know, sort of the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>the coin. Malcolm X believed in black separatism. He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this non violent approach isn't isn't working, and black people

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<v Speaker 1>cannot integrate into white America. It's a racist society and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just not possible. So we need self determination. Violence,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, by any means necessary, is an acceptable sort

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<v Speaker 1>of avenue to achieve the goals of black determination, and

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<v Speaker 1>especially considering violence is being inflicted upon black people by

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<v Speaker 1>white people constantly, so it's time to fight back, like

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<v Speaker 1>with fist and clubs and whatever else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again that's totally contrary to King's doctrine of

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<v Speaker 2>non violence, which Malcolm X considered criminal, as he put it,

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<v Speaker 2>in the face of just being beaten by whites just

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<v Speaker 2>for marching in the streets peacefully. And a big portion

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<v Speaker 2>of the people who are critical of King and his

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<v Speaker 2>nonviolentce doctrine were the younger generations, they tended to lean

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<v Speaker 2>more militantly, more in Malcolm X's direction, and then in

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<v Speaker 2>White America. With white Americans, he was basically never popular

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<v Speaker 2>during his lifetime, at least with the majority of white Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, and we know this because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they did polls back then. There were Gallop Poles that

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<v Speaker 1>found in nineteen sixty three through nineteen sixty six. Each

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<v Speaker 1>year found that fewer that forty percent of white Americans

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<v Speaker 1>viewed Martin Luther King Junior favorably. So one of the

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<v Speaker 1>other things that didn't help, besides his work in the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and civil rights, was his stance.

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<v Speaker 3>On Vietnam and the war in Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 1>He was always against it, but really changed his stance

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty seven, started being really really vocal about

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<v Speaker 1>it as far as publicly condemning the war, started leading

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<v Speaker 1>anti war marches, giving speeches against the war. One very

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<v Speaker 1>famous one was Beyond Vietnam Colon a Time to Break

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<v Speaker 1>the Silence speech he gave in New York City at

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<v Speaker 1>Riverside Church and April actually exactly one year April fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty seven before his murder. And it was a

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<v Speaker 1>very controversial speech because it was his most adamant anti war,

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<v Speaker 1>anti Vietnam speech yet, and he specifically called out America

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<v Speaker 1>and the US military by sending a disproportionate number of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of poor black American boys to fight

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<v Speaker 1>that war.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so this was it's really hard to oversee

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<v Speaker 2>how controversial this speech was. Like he just stopped mincing

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<v Speaker 2>words and came out and said everything that needed to

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<v Speaker 2>be said. And so his alliance with Lyndon Baine Johnson,

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<v Speaker 2>who was president at the time, was just chattered. Right

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<v Speaker 2>then LBJ stepped away from him, publicly broke with him.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Laura helps out with this. She found one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty eight newspapers issued editorials denouncing him for

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<v Speaker 2>that speech. So that like he was already not super

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<v Speaker 2>popular with white Americans, his popularity was so so with

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<v Speaker 2>black Americans, and all Americans were now mad at him

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<v Speaker 2>for his stance on Vietnam, or a ton of them were.

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<v Speaker 2>And then one of the other things that really proved

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<v Speaker 2>to be very difficult for him later in his life.

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<v Speaker 2>Later in his career was he shifted focus from strictly

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<v Speaker 2>civil rights for black Americans to economic justice for poor

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<v Speaker 2>Americans of all races. He created something called the Poor

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<v Speaker 2>People's Campaign. He came up with an economic bill of

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<v Speaker 2>rights that is essentially pretty socialists, I mean at its core.

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<v Speaker 2>And he also basically said, like, this campaign is also

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a shift not just in focus, in potency,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we're not going to be quite as peaceful as

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<v Speaker 2>we were before. We're not going to go Malcolm X

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<v Speaker 2>full on militant, but we're you can expect, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he famously said, fifteen to sixteen percent more militancy.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, and you know this ship so he already had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people coming at him from all sides, and

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<v Speaker 1>now even within his own camp they didn't love it either.

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<v Speaker 1>His advisors and his staff didn't love this change of direction.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, by the time April of nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>eight rolls around, he's exhausted, he's tired, he's got people

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<v Speaker 1>coming at him from every angle, even within his own camp,

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<v Speaker 1>and he just wasn't at his peak personally or with

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<v Speaker 1>his career.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. So, Chuck, do you want to take a break now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've set the stage with where King was and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll come back and then set the stage with Memphis,

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<v Speaker 1>and where Memphis was, well, it was in Tennessee, but

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<v Speaker 1>how Memphis was in April nineteen sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the spring of nineteen sixty eight, Memphis, Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 2>which had previously prided itself on its white community and

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<v Speaker 2>black communities, kind of you know, fairly getting along, especially

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<v Speaker 2>compared to some other places, like places in Alabama. It

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<v Speaker 2>was by this time in high tension as a town,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was largely because of the Memphis sanitation workers strike.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay became very interested in helping further the goals of

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<v Speaker 2>the Memphis sanitation workers in their strike because he basically

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<v Speaker 2>saw this as like, this is a perfect bridge between

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<v Speaker 2>this transition from a focus just on civil rights to

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<v Speaker 2>this larger focus on poor people of all colors, because like,

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<v Speaker 2>this was mostly almost exclusively black sanitation workers who were

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<v Speaker 2>struggling for recognition of their work, dignity in their work,

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<v Speaker 2>decent wages. Apparently if you were a full time sanitation

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<v Speaker 2>worker in Memphis, you were still eligible for food stamps

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<v Speaker 2>after your full salary. And he was like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>this is exactly the perfect kind of thing that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get across, Like this is important. So he

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<v Speaker 2>kind of focused on Memphis in the spring of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty eight, and like I said, it was in a

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<v Speaker 2>state of high tension because a couple of protests, marches

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<v Speaker 2>essentially to support the word workers had not really gone

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<v Speaker 2>really well previously.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but before these marches there was you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>already a strike going on. It just wasn't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>full throttle at this point. What would really kick that

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<v Speaker 1>into gear were the very tragic deaths of two sanitation workers,

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<v Speaker 1>Echo Cole and Robert Walker. They were crushed to death

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<v Speaker 1>their truck malfunction. They were trying to take shelter from

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<v Speaker 1>the rain and were crushed by the truck, and the

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<v Speaker 1>city didn't pay any compensation to their families at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is what really kind of triggered the mass

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<v Speaker 1>walk off the job. Almost all the workers black sanitation

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<v Speaker 1>workers went on strike at the time. And King was like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I gotta get to Memphis. It's in trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an opportunity for me as well, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of help me segue into this other movement.

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<v Speaker 1>And there were a couple of different marches. On March

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighth, he led a march of five thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>through Memphis, and almost right away it turned violent, not

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<v Speaker 1>by his hand, but it was a group called the Invaders.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a militant group of young African Americans who

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<v Speaker 1>were not on board with King. They were not on

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<v Speaker 1>board with non violence obviously, and they started looting. They

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<v Speaker 1>started breaking windows and stores. Police came in, and we

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<v Speaker 1>all know the drill. At this point, people scatter, Police

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<v Speaker 1>are beating people, shooting at people. That was a sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old named Larry Payne that was shot and killed

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<v Speaker 1>by a police officer named Leslie Dean Jones. Sixty people injured.

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<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden, Memphis is under curfew

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<v Speaker 1>and close to four thousand National guardsmen are brought in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this was on the heels of another march

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<v Speaker 2>the month before in February where protesters, including some ministers

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<v Speaker 2>who were marching were mazed by police. So Memphis just

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<v Speaker 2>like basically almost like throwing a switch, went from like

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<v Speaker 2>a generally o case city as far as race relations

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<v Speaker 2>were concerned, to like the National Guard is now here

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<v Speaker 2>keeping order in like a month. That just changed that quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>And because he was leading the march on March twenty eighth,

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<v Speaker 2>King became totally, I don't want to say obsessed, but

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<v Speaker 2>he was fully zeroed in on returning to Memphis to

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<v Speaker 2>set things right. Yeah, because that was a huge black

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<v Speaker 2>eye in his against him his career and in particular

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<v Speaker 2>his whole doctrine of nonviolence. And again, like the invaders

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<v Speaker 2>were not related to what was going on, they essentially

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<v Speaker 2>used this as a chance to mix things up, and

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<v Speaker 2>King just basically wanted to go give it another try

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<v Speaker 2>and hopefully restore his reputation, hopefully restore the reputation of

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<v Speaker 2>the civil rights movement he was leading. And he put

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<v Speaker 2>everything on the line to go back to Memphis and

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<v Speaker 2>try it again because it could have gone wrong again

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<v Speaker 2>and that would have really damaged things even further. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of his advisors were like, we don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>go back to Memphis, Like we have a trip to

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<v Speaker 2>Africa scheduled, and like, let's just follow through and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>leave it behind us, and he was like, no, we

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<v Speaker 2>have to go back. So we actually canceled that Africa

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<v Speaker 2>trip and brought everyone back to Memphis and he got

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<v Speaker 2>back there on April third, and that evening he gave

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<v Speaker 2>what's been known today as is. I've been to the

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<v Speaker 2>Mountaintop speech. Yeah, I believe it was his final speech.

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<v Speaker 2>Gave it at the Mason Temple church in Memphis, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was a pretty significant speech, as you can imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, basically everyone's aware of this. But in it

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<v Speaker 2>he recounts in a previous assassination attempt that I had

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<v Speaker 2>never heard of, had.

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<v Speaker 1>You, yeah, from visiting the museums. But it's certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>something I don't think this like super widely known.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Well, So he was signing a book at a

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<v Speaker 2>department store when he was stabbed in a chest by

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<v Speaker 2>a mentally ill woman named Isola Curry. Stabbed in the

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<v Speaker 2>chest but with a seven inch letter opener, and Isola

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<v Speaker 2>Curry was convinced that civil rights organizations like mlk's were

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<v Speaker 2>tracking her, had singled her out, and we're tracking her,

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<v Speaker 2>preventing her from getting employment, just generally messing with her life.

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<v Speaker 2>And the papers all reported that the surgeon who treated

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<v Speaker 2>MLKA obviously here survived, was that the letter opener came

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<v Speaker 2>so close to his heart that had he sneezed, it

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<v Speaker 2>would have penetrated his aorda and killed him. So he

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<v Speaker 2>really lucked out, and he talked about this, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>been to the mountaintop speech. But the thing that most

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<v Speaker 2>people remember about it is that he he in a

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<v Speaker 2>way almost predicted his death the following day in the

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Speech, yeah, I mean, I'll go ahead and read it.

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<v Speaker 1>He talked about not being around. He said anybody it

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<v Speaker 1>would like to live along life. Longevity has its place,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not concerned about that now.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to do God's will.

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<v Speaker 1>And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've looked over and I've seen the Promised Land.

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<v Speaker 1>I may not get there with you, but I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to know tonight that we as a people will

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<v Speaker 1>get to the Promised Land. So a definite sort of

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<v Speaker 1>eerie thing to happen the night before his murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I've read that some people are like he was.

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<v Speaker 2>He felt like that death was close, that he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have much time left, So it makes sense that he

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<v Speaker 2>would have put that in. I don't think he expected

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<v Speaker 2>to be murdered the next day, but he just I

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<v Speaker 2>read that he sensed that he was not going to

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<v Speaker 2>live much longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, he had seen what happened with Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>obviously what happened with Robert Kennedy afterward. But yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was those kind of things, you know, very sadly were

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<v Speaker 1>we just much more common back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was thinking about that, and just like living

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<v Speaker 2>in an era of assassinations, like success full assassinations of

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<v Speaker 2>prominent political figures, one of whom was the president at

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<v Speaker 2>the time. That's just nuts that America went through that period.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, I mean King Malcolm X, the two Kennedy's. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a very fraught, fraught time in our history

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. So he's back in town to hold a

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<v Speaker 1>march to set the previous march right, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things he had to do was get the invaders

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<v Speaker 1>on board with not doing this again. So at the

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<v Speaker 1>Lorraine Motel he was actually meeting with them. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the things he did there was meet with them and

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<v Speaker 1>negotiate a deal where like, hey, you guys, don't turn

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<v Speaker 1>this thing violent. And they said, okay, we can do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Give us some money, give us some cars, and give

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<v Speaker 1>us a little more influence and we'll do that. So

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<v Speaker 1>they were negotiating that. The march was actually planned for

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<v Speaker 1>April fourth, and this is one of those sort of

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<v Speaker 1>sliding doors things. It was actually put on hold because

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<v Speaker 1>the city got an injunction to stop it from a

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<v Speaker 1>federal court. And if that hadn't happened and he would

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<v Speaker 1>have been marching on April fourth, perhaps James or Ray

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<v Speaker 1>would have continued to sort of pursue King because as

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see, he had been following him around for about

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<v Speaker 1>a month or maybe not. Maybe maybe that assassination never happens.

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<v Speaker 1>But because of that injunction, the march was delayed from

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<v Speaker 1>April fourth.

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<v Speaker 3>King stayed in town.

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<v Speaker 1>To go to court to help appeal that injunction, was

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<v Speaker 1>in court on April fourth through the day and then

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<v Speaker 1>late that afternoon the judges said, all right, we can

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<v Speaker 1>do this march.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll be next Monday. And King.

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<v Speaker 1>So late that afternoon the judges said, all right, the

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<v Speaker 1>march can go forward, but it's going to go forward

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<v Speaker 1>next Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>So that day on April fourth, it was the evening.

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<v Speaker 2>It turns out Bono got it wrong in that song Pride.

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<v Speaker 3>Because he says early, you know they corrected it, did they? Yeah? They?

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<v Speaker 1>I never listened to much of it, but they put

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<v Speaker 1>out a reimaginings of a bunch of their songs called

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<v Speaker 1>songs of Surrender. And like you said, it was early

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<v Speaker 1>morning April fourth, shot rings out in the Memphis s

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<v Speaker 1>Guy and the song Pride in the Name of Love,

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<v Speaker 1>and he changed it to in the evening April fourth.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yes, that's much more accurate, because that's when it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>King had just been grinding away in Memphis for two

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<v Speaker 2>days by then, and he was staying in room three

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<v Speaker 2>h six of the now very famous Lorraine Motel. That

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<v Speaker 2>was the room that he usually took anytime he and

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<v Speaker 2>his people were in Memphis. They stayed at the Lorraine

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<v Speaker 2>Hotel because it was a black owned business and had

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<v Speaker 2>been owned by Walter Bailey and his wife Laurie since

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen forties. It was listed in the Green Book

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<v Speaker 2>even it was just a black owned business, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a nice hotel to stay in. And by the

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<v Speaker 2>time the late afternoon early evening rolled around, MLK was

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<v Speaker 2>late for a dinner at the Reverend Billy Kyle's house

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<v Speaker 2>in Memphis, and they all started to leave to head

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<v Speaker 2>to Billy Kyle's house for dinner, and he stepped outside

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<v Speaker 2>of his room and onto the balcony and he was

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<v Speaker 2>speaking down to some other members of his group. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he told one of them to start the car

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<v Speaker 2>and a shot did bring out and it hit MLK

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<v Speaker 2>in the face.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sort of in the chin and jaw area and

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<v Speaker 1>the neckline. There were there's that very famous photograph of

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<v Speaker 1>the people, you know, his his group standing on the

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<v Speaker 1>on the balcony off I think like three guys are

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<v Speaker 1>pointing across Mulberry Street, which ran between the Lorraine Motel

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<v Speaker 1>and the what was it, the Bessie What boarding house?

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<v Speaker 2>Bessie Brewers boarding House.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Bessie Brewers boarding House, and they were like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>where the shot came from. The picture was taken by

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<v Speaker 1>a South African photographer named Joseph Lowe l o u

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<v Speaker 1>W became one of the most famous, you know photographs

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<v Speaker 1>in a American history, of course. And the gentleman kneeling

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<v Speaker 1>attending to King, trying to do whatever he could, that

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<v Speaker 1>was a guy named Meryll McCullough and he was an

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<v Speaker 1>undercover cop who had infiltrated the invaders. So just by

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<v Speaker 1>chance he was on hand as an undercover cop there

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<v Speaker 1>and he's the one that's that's kneeling kind of trying

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<v Speaker 1>to tend to King again. He was shot at six

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<v Speaker 1>oh one, was alive even at the hospital, barely, but

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<v Speaker 1>he died just.

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<v Speaker 3>An hour later.

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<v Speaker 1>He's pronounced dead at the age of thirty nine at

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<v Speaker 1>seven five pm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and a doctor named Jerry T. Francisco was the

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<v Speaker 2>medical examiner at Shelby County at the time, and he

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<v Speaker 2>conducted it an autopsy, and he concluded that Martin Luther

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<v Speaker 2>King was killed by a gunshot wound to the chin

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<v Speaker 2>and neck with a total transaction action of the lower

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<v Speaker 2>cervical and upper thoracic spinal cord and other structures of

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<v Speaker 2>the neck. I read somewhere that that Martin Luther King

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<v Speaker 2>probably didn't even hear the shot that killed him. It

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<v Speaker 2>just hit him so fast and was shot from a

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<v Speaker 2>high powered rifle at you know, close enough by that

0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:26.080
<v Speaker 2>like it would have he just wouldn't have heard it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was thinking it was possible that he died

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<v Speaker 2>almost instantly. Had you read that he was still alive

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<v Speaker 2>for a period like when he got to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was apparently just hanging on, you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>was alive in the ambulance. He was alive, I think

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<v Speaker 1>shortly after he got to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hopefully he was completely unconscious at the time. So

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's my hope that he just had he

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<v Speaker 2>just never knew what hit him or anything hit him.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't, Yeah, I didn't realize that. Yeah. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>he probably died instantly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But when Francisco, that doctor, he you know, he described

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<v Speaker 1>the gunshot wound, but he didn't fully dissect the path

0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:06.919
<v Speaker 1>of the bullet.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He said he did that because he didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>deform the body any further. But that, of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>would help out later with conspiracy theories as far as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not having a full accounting of the path

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<v Speaker 1>of the bullet, which we'll get into all that, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe in part two. Yeah, but right after the shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>like literally the minutes right afterward, there were two men

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<v Speaker 1>in that boarding house who saw a guy leaving with

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<v Speaker 1>a suitcase and like a blanket bundled up that had

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of stuff in it, big enough to where

0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:43.720
<v Speaker 1>it could have held a rifle. And what happened was, well,

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<v Speaker 1>there was another witness that said they saw a man

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<v Speaker 1>passing I don't know how it's pronounced k k n

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<v Speaker 1>i p e kN iper cannip.

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<v Speaker 2>Caneps. That's what I'm going CAP's.

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<v Speaker 1>Okaynie's Canep's Amusement Company, and just drop this bundle on

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<v Speaker 1>the front door of the store. You can, you know,

0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:04.760
<v Speaker 1>there's a picture of it if you if you look

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<v Speaker 1>that up, and you can kind of see the rifle

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 1>poking out even And that's what they found. They found

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:14.400
<v Speaker 1>some aftershave, they found portable radio, they found some brand

0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:18.480
<v Speaker 1>new binoculars, a couple of cans of beer, and precisely

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<v Speaker 1>a thirty out six Remington seven sixty game Master rifle

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<v Speaker 1>with a scope, which is a hunting rifle. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a unique gun in that it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a long range rifle that's a pump action rifle, which

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<v Speaker 1>usually they are bolt action rifles.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, that is fairly unique.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's that's pretty specific. At the boarding house too.

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<v Speaker 2>At Bessie Brewer's boarding house, people who are staying there

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<v Speaker 2>later told police that they heard people, at least someone

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<v Speaker 2>maybe going back and forth to the bathroom. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a boarding house, so obviously there was a shared bathroom

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<v Speaker 2>rather than a bathroom in each room, and so somebody

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<v Speaker 2>kept going to the bathroom, hanging out in the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 2>coming out of the bathroom, going back to the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 2>and the cops who investigated found scuff marks in the bathtub,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously left by somebody's shoes, And the bathtub was where

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<v Speaker 2>you would have had to stood to see out the

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<v Speaker 2>window to have a shot at Martin Luther King on

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:27.119
<v Speaker 2>the balcony. So the people in the boarding house heard

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:32.400
<v Speaker 2>mlk's assassin. The question was who it was, And obviously

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:34.239
<v Speaker 2>we know now it was James Earl Ray, but at

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:35.359
<v Speaker 2>the time they didn't realize that.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, like two minutes later, the shooting had been radioed

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<v Speaker 1>into the police, and just five minutes later, at six

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<v Speaker 1>point eight, the owner of that amusement company told police

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<v Speaker 1>that he saw a white man running through the alley

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<v Speaker 1>and actually saw him drop that bundle and then flee

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<v Speaker 1>the scene in a white Ford Mustang.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll talk about the investigation and everything like that

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<v Speaker 2>in part two, but I say we take our second break,

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<v Speaker 2>come back and talk about what happened after MLK died.

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<v Speaker 1>So, you know, very famously, Walter Cronkite came on the

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<v Speaker 1>news and very somberly told the nation what had happened

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<v Speaker 1>on the CBS Nightly News President Johnson declared the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>April seventh, the National Day of Morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Flags went to half staff.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of businesses around the country closed for the day,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, Johnson said on TV, the dream of

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Martin Luther King, Junior has not died with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Men who are white, men who are black, must and

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<v Speaker 1>will now join together as never in the past, to

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<v Speaker 1>let all the forces of divisiveness know that America should

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<v Speaker 1>not be ruled by the bullet, but only by the

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<v Speaker 1>ballot of free and of just men.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, yeah, like you said, the National Day of

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Morning was April seventh, But throughout that whole period, from

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 2>the day that his assassination took place to his funeral,

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of places closed down.

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:30.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:33.399
<v Speaker 2>And I saw Chuck that on the day of his funeral,

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 2>the New York Stock Exchange closed, which is pretty significant.

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:37.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 2>The NBA and the NHL were in their playoffs and

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 2>they rescheduled their games, but the Major League Baseball they

0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 2>did not postpone opening day, much to their discredit. But

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.679
<v Speaker 2>Roberto Clemente and Maury Willis as the Pirates, said, well,

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 2>we're not playing today. It's Martin Luther King Junior's funeral.

0:27:57.280 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 3>That's great.

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 2>We're not going to disrespect it like that. And they

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 2>inspired players on other teams to sit it out too,

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:08.080
<v Speaker 2>So from what I saw, effectively, opening Day was postponed

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 2>for a number of teams, if not all, of MLB.

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and hey, we did do a good episode on

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Roberto Clemente, remember that one.

0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that was a good one.

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:23.399
<v Speaker 1>So all across the country, you know, people react with

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:28.359
<v Speaker 1>extreme upset, which led to violence and some rioting and

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:32.400
<v Speaker 1>uprising in like one hundred and twenty five cities over

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the course of a few days. Thirty nine people were killed,

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 1>thirty five hundred people were injured, fifty thousand federal troops

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, dispatched all over the country basically except New

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 1>York and Los Angeles. There were a couple of the

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>only major cities that they managed to kind of talk

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>people down. Atlanta too, Oh, Atlanta as well.

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 3>That's great.

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>So despite the fact that you know, black folks and

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of white folks are mourning this death, it

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 1>also sort of widened the rift because it became a

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 1>symbol all of a sudden as white America's rejection of

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 1>equal rights basically and white Americans rejection of non violence

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 1>by literally dying by a bullet a nonviolent man. But

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 1>there were you know, it wasn't just this. This is

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>sort of the straw that broke the camels back with

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 1>just sort of every the state of things in nineteen

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:28.520
<v Speaker 1>sixty eight with race relations.

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would call it more like a match thrown

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 2>on a powder keg. The just the explosive reaction was,

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 2>like you said, not just because of mlk's assassination, but

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 2>that was the thing that set it off previously, the

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 2>summer before it was called the long Hot Summer. Yeah,

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:50.320
<v Speaker 2>because there have been a ton of riots nationwide in

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:54.800
<v Speaker 2>cities like Detroit, there was five days of rioting. It

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:58.720
<v Speaker 2>just kept happening all over the place in black communities

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 2>around the United State States. And there were reasons for this.

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 2>There were like segregation had officially ended, but in practice

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 2>there was tons of segregation left, especially kinds of like

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:18.040
<v Speaker 2>housing discrimination that essentially created black ghettos in downtown American

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 2>cities that white Americans had left for the suburbs. And

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 2>then they were starting to build highways through these cities,

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 2>and it was tough to find employment, and the city

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 2>itself didn't usually maintain stuff there. So it was crumbling

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 2>and deteriorating. So there was a ton of frustration already,

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:37.640
<v Speaker 2>and there had been riots already, but there were a

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 2>ton of them after MLK passed as well.

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, there was a legitimate fear that

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 1>a race work could break out in the United States.

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't I don't think it was overstated looking back,

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 1>that that was a very real thing that could have happened.

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>And there were you know, there was one editorial writer

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 1>who basically in the month after the assassination was like,

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>King was the one that was preventing this from happening,

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>So we may be in trouble here in the United States,

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 1>like real trouble. Thankfully that didn't happen obviously, but like

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 1>we said, a lot of these cities, you know, people

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:19.719
<v Speaker 1>were killed, arrested, buildings were burned. Wilmington, Delaware was occupied

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>by the National Guard for a year afterward, and looking back,

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 1>it's looked as basically it was just a harassment campaign

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 1>that made things worse.

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the mayor was like, Okay, you guys can leave

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 2>pretty shortly after things calmed down, but the governor was like, no,

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:39.880
<v Speaker 2>we're going to stay. We're going to keep them here

0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 2>for a year. It was very odd. It was the

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 2>longest occupation of any American city ever, which is I mean,

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 2>you just don't think of Wilmington, Delaware, stuff like that

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 2>happening to Wilmington, Delaware.

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:31:55.800 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 1>One of this sort of positive things that happened after this,

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 1>and it's hard to even frame it like that. But

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Coretta Scott King, Martin Luther King's widow, did finish the

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>job in Memphis on April eighth. She did lead that

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:14.280
<v Speaker 1>march with her four small kids, along with forty thousand

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 1>other people, in a silent march.

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 3>And that was King.

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, Martin Luther King was so adamant about going

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:22.840
<v Speaker 1>back to Memphis and having a non violent march. So

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 1>it was, you know, special that she was able to

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 1>see that through.

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And imagine seeing forty thousand people pass by you silently,

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 2>how powerful that would be to see.

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 2>So the following day, after Coreta Scott King led the

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Memphis march that MLK had set out to lead, his

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 2>funeral was held in Atlanta at Ebenezer Baptist Church, where

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:50.120
<v Speaker 2>he had been a preacher, and I think his father

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:52.040
<v Speaker 2>was the preacher there. At the time. Is that right.

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure. It's like four miles from my house. Yeah,

0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>right in the middle of Atlanta.

0:32:57.800 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was gonna say later, but that that whole

0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 2>area that's called the Sweet Auburn Community, Yeah, it's awesome.

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Is largely preserved like it was around King's death. Like

0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 2>they they you know, there's still new businesses and people

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 2>move in and out, but they they've really gone to

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 2>a lot of trouble to preserve like how it looked.

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 2>The National Park Service is preserved it. And and like

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 2>you said, you toured the King Center. That's an amazing

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 2>place to to go as well. But I thought that

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 2>was really cool that it's been designated a National Historic Site. Yeah,

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:33.720
<v Speaker 2>it's under protection.

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is always a little odd when you're driving

0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>through that area and you see a park ranger in

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the city.

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 3>You're like, what's going on.

0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 1>They're like, oh, yeah, yeah, national Historic site.

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you just assume they're lost.

0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 1>But the uh, that's the place that I always recommend

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 1>when you know stuff, you should know. People right in

0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:55.720
<v Speaker 1>or saying they're coming to Atlanta, that's again like.

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 3>What what should they do?

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, the Carter Center and the King Center

0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 1>are both very close to each other, and that's just

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>a really great afternoon to go in there. And there's

0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot of really cool displays, including a very sort

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I think I've talked about it before, a very sort

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:13.759
<v Speaker 1>of chilling single thing at the King Center, which is

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 1>just a lone case with the room three h six

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:22.399
<v Speaker 1>Lorraine Motel hotel key sitting in it, with nothing else

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:22.839
<v Speaker 1>around it.

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 3>It's just sort of speaks for itself.

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:28.279
<v Speaker 2>That's better than what I always reply with. I just

0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:31.280
<v Speaker 2>tell them that they should go to Applebee's.

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you got a good joke in this one.

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 2>God bless you, Thank you. So his funeral, I looked

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 2>up a picture of it was his casket was carried

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:49.880
<v Speaker 2>on a cart by two mules, processing down one of

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 2>the streets, probably Auburn Avenue. I didn't catch which street

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 2>it was, but there were one hundred thousand people in

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 2>this procession, including people lined up on either side of

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:07.280
<v Speaker 2>the street as it passed in a procession behind his casket.

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:10.880
<v Speaker 2>One hundred thousand people. And it's hard to get across

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.919
<v Speaker 2>what that looked like unless you see a photo of it.

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.840
<v Speaker 2>It just keeps going back and back and back and back,

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:20.759
<v Speaker 2>literally as far as you could see, as far as

0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 2>the photographer could capture, there's a stream of people filling

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 2>the road entirely following his casket and a procession. And

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I was hardened to see when I zoomed in that, Like,

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't fifty to fifty, but it wasn't completely lopsided. Yeah,

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:40.239
<v Speaker 2>the number of white faces and black faces in the

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 2>photograph all marching together morning MLK Like, yeah, for sure

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 2>when it happened.

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, I mean especially in Atlanta, you know,

0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>a city with a racial history as well. Yeah, Benjamin

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Mays delivered the eulogy. He was the president of Morehouse University,

0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:02.359
<v Speaker 1>and Morehouse have their own ceremony, I believe a day

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:05.839
<v Speaker 1>later on their campus, which, by the way, Martin Luther

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 1>King Junior was a student at Morehouse at fifteen years old.

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>So let that sink in for a second. And May's

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 1>predicted in that eulogy that here's the quote that King

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.719
<v Speaker 1>would probably say that if death had to come, I'm

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 1>sure there was no greater cause to die than to

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 1>get a just wage.

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 3>For garbage collectors.

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Pretty powerful stuff.

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:34.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the Lorain Hotel has become the National Civil

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Rights Museum. But after King's assassination, Walter Bailey kept it

0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 2>open for years, but he never rented room three oh

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 2>six again, and he didn't touch it. He left it

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:48.799
<v Speaker 2>exactly as it was when MLK, as MLK had left

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:52.880
<v Speaker 2>it when he was assassinated. But Walter Bailey's story was

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:57.200
<v Speaker 2>additionally sad. He was very proud hotel owner to have

0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:01.880
<v Speaker 2>MLK stay every time he came in Memphis. So it

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 2>was bad enough that Martin Luther King was assassinated at

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 2>his hotel, but he also his wife, Laurie, who the

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 2>motel was named after. She had a stroke in all

0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:15.840
<v Speaker 2>of the commotion and the horrificness of what had happened

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:21.800
<v Speaker 2>right after MLK was assassinated, and she died five days later. Yeah,

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:26.600
<v Speaker 2>And so over the years, I'm sure after Walter Bailey passed,

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:29.360
<v Speaker 2>the motel started to fall into disrepair, and it finally

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 2>closed in nineteen eighty eight, but it was purchased and

0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 2>refurbished and preserved and turned into the National Civil Rights Museum.

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, which is I've not been there, but

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 2>it looks like a world class museum, and it looks

0:37:41.880 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 2>amazing and they've preserved Room three h six just as

0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 2>King left it as well.

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is a great museum. I can highly recommend

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.399
<v Speaker 1>Memphis as a whole for a weekend trip. I've spoken before.

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 1>That's where my mom's family is from and grew up

0:37:57.400 --> 0:37:59.439
<v Speaker 1>going to Memphis and went back a couple of years

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 1>ago with Ruby, and it's just a great weekend you

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:04.800
<v Speaker 1>can go see that you can go to. You know,

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 1>there's obviously all the Graceland and Sun Records and Stax

0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:11.440
<v Speaker 1>records and Beale Street. It's just you can easily find

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 1>like three days of great fun stuff to do in Memphis.

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Very nice. Yeah, Memphis where it's at.

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 3>That's right. So that's it for part one.

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:25.040
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0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:27.160
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0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:33.439
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