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Speaker 1: It is Monday, September thirtieth, twenty nineteen, and it is

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Speaker 1: time for Morning Combat. Donks. Welcome. My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I'm the host of this program next to my lovely

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Speaker 1: co host Brian Campbell. Fresh off the bird from Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: he was at Spence Porter. We got to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: We have talk about a lot today UFC Copenhagen, UFC

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Speaker 1: what two forty three.

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Speaker 2: Biggest week in pro wrestling history. None of that's on

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Speaker 2: the rundown. I just want to let you thank God.

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Speaker 1: All right, we have a lot to get to Before

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Speaker 1: we get to any of that. Of course, please as always,

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Speaker 1: give the video thumbs up, subscribe to the channel, donks,

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Speaker 1: and share this around to anyone who you think might

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Speaker 1: need to see it. Your mom, your dog, your friend,

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Speaker 1: your neighbor, whoever, please share it around.

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Speaker 2: We also, you've been eating long enough, now stop being greedy.

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Speaker 1: How yes, DMX very good? Hey, how was your time

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Speaker 1: in La Dude?

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Speaker 2: The best city in the world for of all, because

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Speaker 2: it's got the best food and the best people in

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Speaker 2: the best weather. But I got to give a shout

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Speaker 2: out to the city of angels I've covered many boxing

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Speaker 2: fights like the Barclay Center will be typing. You'd be

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Speaker 2: watching its New York, I know. But hear me out okay,

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Speaker 2: and you go somebody need to do their shirt laundry

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Speaker 2: and you're like, okay, somebody's getting hid in the crowd.

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Speaker 2: That's cool. It happens right in LA. They don't lef around,

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Speaker 2: they don't hide it. I had it right before the

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Speaker 2: main event. I ran up the stairs to use the

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Speaker 2: men's room. There are three separate groups of guys inside

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Speaker 2: and outside of the bathroom, helping each other roll like

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Speaker 2: the blunt tighter and like passing it around. This is

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Speaker 2: like hot boxing. The community is like.

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Speaker 1: The can't you can't smoke weed in the Staples Center?

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Speaker 1: Can oh?

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Speaker 2: This was not like let's hide in the bathroom the

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Speaker 2: forum bringing it out of the bathroom and passing it

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Speaker 2: around to like fellow people.

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Speaker 1: There's little kids around the smoke weed with other donks

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Speaker 1: in a bathroom. You just deserve to get a club

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Speaker 1: that is.

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Speaker 2: That's that's how you build the community right there, So

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Speaker 2: shout out to LA.

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Speaker 1: That's how you get the wood shampoo from the popo.

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Speaker 1: That's what you get, all right. We had a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff to get to as well.

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Speaker 2: They wanted to talk to Sampson.

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Speaker 1: You know, I understand, all right, let's get to it.

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Speaker 1: UFC Copenhagen was on Saturday in well Copenhagen, Denmark. The

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Speaker 1: main event was a UFC middleweight contest, not so much

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Speaker 1: a title eliminator, but an important one just the same,

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Speaker 1: with Jared kennon Ear defeating Jack Hermanson via second round TKO. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't even close, which is interesting to note about

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Speaker 1: that Brian Camble, because he went into that one. Jared

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Speaker 1: Kennonner did as not an enormous underdog, but a fairly

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Speaker 1: considerable one. I think like a plus two fifty in

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Speaker 1: So the question that I want to start today's show

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Speaker 1: with is what is this What's the biggest takeaway from

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Speaker 1: his win and what does it do to the division?

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Speaker 1: For me? I'll say the following. The big takeaway is

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Speaker 1: it is Yes, you can say, wow, what a revelation

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Speaker 1: this guy is at middleweight at thirty five. He figured

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Speaker 1: it all out. Great, good for him, and he might

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Speaker 1: go on to fight Joel Romero. God only knows what's next.

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Speaker 1: Roim he's going to jump a lot of slots from this,

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Speaker 1: but to me, the biggest one is so really interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's like, dude, let me get this straight. You're this

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Speaker 1: good and you're thirty five years old, and it took

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Speaker 1: you that long to figure out what the right weight was.

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Speaker 1: And again you could say, well, Frankiegger never fought the

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Speaker 1: right weight until later on. Well yeah, but he won

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Speaker 1: a UFC title. In other words, he reached an objective

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Speaker 1: level of success in that weight class, even if it

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Speaker 1: was suboptimal, so much so that it didn't really matter.

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Speaker 1: He just fought for another one of weight class down.

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Speaker 1: He may have lost for you know, age or mileage

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Speaker 1: Jared Kennany is dumb, and certainly I don't think he

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Speaker 1: doesn't understand himself. It just tells you the ingredients of

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Speaker 1: success can be right in front of your nose and

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Speaker 1: you never really know it. Getting with a good team. Look,

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Speaker 1: does everyone need to train at the MMA lab or

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Speaker 1: American Top Team or a KAA. Not necessarily, but some

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Speaker 1: of them do. Some of them should. And when I

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Speaker 1: he just seems to understand who he is as a fighter.

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Speaker 1: That's a big part. And as long as he does, dude,

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Speaker 1: he is going to be cooking with gas. All the

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Speaker 1: power is there, a middlewaight, all the speed is there.

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Speaker 1: My biggest takeaway is, Yes, he's a force to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these are the best stories in sports, if you

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Speaker 2: ask me, when people sort of figure it out late

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Speaker 2: in life. Kind of my own personal story, right, I

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Speaker 2: was you figured it out? I was quite a donk

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Speaker 2: for a long time, and look at you know now

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Speaker 2: I'm here now in this fantastic bomb shelter. My point is, look,

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Speaker 2: when guys go on these sort of runs in their

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Speaker 2: boxing with a name that we don't like to talk

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Speaker 2: about these days much. Carlos Baldemere, remember him, feather duster

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Speaker 2: Maker suddenly's the wealthweight champion of Fighting Floyd on pay

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Speaker 2: per view before he molested his own daughter. But he's

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Speaker 2: locked up. You don't worry about that. And the point

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Speaker 2: is that it takes a while. Jared Cannon are working

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Speaker 2: for an airline as a three hundred pound man finding

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Speaker 2: other people's contraband turns out he's the one hide in

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Speaker 2: the heavyweight bomb inside of his right hand, and that's

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Speaker 2: his asset right now, being a former heavyweight, having the power.

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Speaker 2: But that only gets you so far to be the

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Speaker 2: And then suddenly we got to restructure what's going on

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Speaker 2: in middleweight. We're gonna take this guy seriously. This was

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Speaker 2: a great story to do it on foreign soil, which

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Speaker 2: dominant fashion. Eure, upset, what's going on here?

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Speaker 1: He's not he's not Danish, right, but this is Swedish Norwegian.

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Speaker 1: He's not Danish. Okay, heym was in Toronto, right in

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Speaker 1: his backyard. Well the fucker, I'm not Canadian.

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Speaker 2: It's a virtual, virtual backyard.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're just lumping all the whites together. That

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Speaker 2: The whites in Europe lived so close together a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Mark Madson was the hometown guy, which was talking about

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Speaker 1: just a second. But I look to your point about Herminson.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I didn't understand his game plan. Now

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Speaker 1: I understood it in the in the bigger perspective, which

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Speaker 1: at least Herminson believes he has, you know, the best

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Speaker 1: it not seem to you like his approach was the

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Speaker 1: right one in terms of like on paper, if he

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Speaker 1: wrote it down, it would look nice. Did it not

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Speaker 1: seem frantic to you? No? He was like, if I

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Speaker 1: don't get him down, now, the whole world's going to

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Speaker 2: What it seemed like from a macro view was that

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Speaker 2: this was Jack Urminston's close up. This was our chance

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Speaker 2: to find out, like we said, is he a real

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Speaker 2: title contender? Could he do this in his virtual hometown there?

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Speaker 2: But really a main eventor in Europe, trying to become

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Speaker 2: it just opened the door for this great story in Cannoneer.

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Speaker 2: And just to double back on that luke you love

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Speaker 2: when you don't know a guy's ceiling, Well, this is

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Speaker 2: a topic that's going to come into play later when

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Speaker 2: how great a guy can be, it's you just get

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Speaker 2: excited and find out the fact that Cannoneer's figuring this

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Speaker 2: out as we are makes a great theater to watch.

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Speaker 1: And he's sort of proving I won't say the hater's

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Speaker 1: wrong per se, but when he went and beat David Branches, like, wow,

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Speaker 1: there to do? Then he thought Anderson Sillivan had that

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Speaker 1: But you can't say anything about this one. This was

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Speaker 1: Jack Hermanson in his prime. Again not so much in

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Speaker 1: very far for this one. Right. He is as good

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Speaker 1: however much you want to discount the Branch win, however

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Speaker 2: It is actually discount what he didweight in light heavyey,

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Speaker 2: which is not much because he's figured out the best

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Speaker 2: have a new conversation. Is he well rounded enough for

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Speaker 2: the very very elites?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Or no? Do you want him to fight you,

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Speaker 1: ol Romero next? I just think that fight makes itself

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Speaker 1: that's going to be a great fight.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because they're good. I only say e because that's

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Speaker 2: a tall fass fight for him right now. But look,

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Speaker 2: when you climb the ladder, you bring it on, you

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Speaker 2: bring it up on yourself.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's like we talk about this fight

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Speaker 1: US two four to three, which will get to later.

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Speaker 1: All these fresh faces right twenty eight year old, Robert Whitaker, thirty,

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Speaker 1: Brandy brand New thirty year old, is a lot of soignia,

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Speaker 1: and yet it's some of these old dogs right over.

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Speaker 1: Mariag just an incredible athletic ability, and then Cannon here

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Speaker 1: finally getting all the pieces of the puzzle together. It's

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Speaker 1: a fresh face. It's an old guy, but it's a

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Speaker 1: fresh face. It's an interesting division right now. It'sort of

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Speaker 1: a tail of two ages. There anyone else from that

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Speaker 1: card stand out to you?

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Speaker 2: Obviously? This was mark O Maadson's night. And look, I'm

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Speaker 2: not much as much of a donk as you are

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Speaker 2: on the things like amateur wrestling and grappling. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you were rocking out to a d C C while

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Speaker 2: I was listening to some ac DC over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: That's why you're a loser.

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Speaker 1: Fun to watch football ten am in any event, and

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Speaker 1: So here's what I want you to think about, Brian,

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Speaker 2: this live? Hurt everyone in my life. Basically, be like,

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Speaker 2: This was genius. This was a great idea. Look, you're

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Speaker 2: You can kind of almost hear what they're talking about,

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Speaker 2: he's got a title shot. This was fun TV, Luke.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny to me. I don't know exactly why

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Speaker 1: Here's what I do know. They're trying to do something

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Speaker 1: You can use this. This to me, Brian Campbell was

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Speaker 2: It's no different than PFL doing a season format, which

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Speaker 1: like we're getting, if not the best permutation, a very

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Speaker 1: very good one. But you're right, they kind of went

431
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Speaker 1: down a path that could have gone not poorly, but suboptimally.

432
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Speaker 1: It was just the way it shook out it ended

433
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Speaker 1: up being great. Let's talk about ajmckee for just a second,

434
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Speaker 1: if he can. He has an eight second win. He's

435
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Speaker 1: only twenty four years old, he's had all of his

436
00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,920
Speaker 1: fights in Bellatore. Is he the one to watch okay,

437
00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,960
Speaker 1: the champions in the tournament outside of him? Is he

438
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Speaker 1: the one to watch for you? He is? He is.

439
00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,760
Speaker 2: And Borich had a great first side of the bracket.

440
00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,240
Speaker 2: He really got your attention. I think it's aj mcke's

441
00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,679
Speaker 2: now chance to really be the face of this tournament

442
00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,159
Speaker 2: and really do something big. And it was cool to

443
00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,119
Speaker 2: have his dad, forty nine year old, get a win

444
00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,359
Speaker 2: on that card as well against a stoppage, which, by

445
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Speaker 2: the way, for the big McKee is rare. Yeah against

446
00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,199
Speaker 2: a maybe not primetime opponent, but that's fine. It's an

447
00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,040
Speaker 2: AJ mcke's night here. And he came out and did

448
00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,359
Speaker 2: exactly what you want to do. Eight second win. But

449
00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,640
Speaker 2: then that celebration was over the top and out of control,

450
00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,080
Speaker 2: and I loved it. I think, see suddenly he's the

451
00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,840
Speaker 2: early wildcard on how great can he be? Giant ceiling,

452
00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,360
Speaker 2: don't know, need to see it now. Did really enjoy

453
00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,280
Speaker 2: Darien Caldwell's victory, even if he didn't really go for

454
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Speaker 2: the finish when he had the opportunity.

455
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Speaker 1: So to me, I love this. Twenty four years old,

456
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Speaker 1: he's had all of his fights in Bellatore. This proves

457
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Speaker 1: a couple of things, Brian Campbell. Number one, it proves

458
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Speaker 1: if you are someone of pedigree, if you're a Dylan

459
00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,000
Speaker 1: Danis and you come from an elite jiu jitsu background,

460
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Speaker 1: if you are the child of an established fighter and coach,

461
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Speaker 1: and you don't want to compete on the regional cards.

462
00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,359
Speaker 1: You want to start on the big show, but you

463
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Speaker 1: need that regional card treatment and you want to get

464
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Speaker 1: better and better and better. Bellatore is a better choice

465
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Speaker 1: than UFC. It just is. It's just a much. They

466
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Speaker 1: can do so much more for you. In that regard,

467
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Speaker 1: UFC is just need to be a much more senior

468
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Speaker 1: established talent. Doesn't mean you can't get there, because look

469
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Speaker 1: at the last two fights. He beats Pat Current and

470
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Speaker 1: now Georgia kar Khanyie, and he is fighting senior level

471
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Speaker 1: talent at this point. I'm always saying it took him

472
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Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen fights to get there, which is only to

473
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Speaker 1: be expected. The Bell Tour should get criticized when they

474
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Speaker 1: do a bad job building a guy. They should get

475
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Speaker 1: praised when they do a good job. They have done

476
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Speaker 1: an excellent job with aj McKee. But I'm telling you

477
00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,320
Speaker 1: I've got my eyes on Adam Borich versus Darren Colwyn.

478
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I really quickly. Dude, that is

479
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,000
Speaker 1: an amazing fight, because if Aaron Pico can get him

480
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,000
Speaker 1: down against Adam Borch, you know Darien Caldwell can. But

481
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,440
Speaker 1: I thought going to one forty five it might open

482
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Speaker 1: up Darian Caldwell's offense. And to be clear, in the

483
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Speaker 1: first round he was getting after it looked to me

484
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Speaker 1: like he took the second round off and then did

485
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Speaker 1: just enough to win the third.

486
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he what he got warned for an activity in

487
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Speaker 2: the third and.

488
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Speaker 1: Buddy, I am telling you, you pull that against Adam Bortch,

489
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Speaker 1: you're gonna wake up looking at the lights. That guy

490
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Speaker 1: waits for his opportunity. He has the best flying knee

491
00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,040
Speaker 1: or switch double or whatever you want to call those

492
00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,080
Speaker 1: kinds of knees in the game. He is highly offensive,

493
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Speaker 1: but patient and smart. And the best part about him

494
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Speaker 1: is like he trains in Hungary, Like what, yes, he

495
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,480
Speaker 1: trains also sixty five, but he doesn't like there's a

496
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Speaker 1: lot of where he comes from. What he does, it's

497
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Speaker 1: somewhat unknown. There's a tapewater from here, but you don't

498
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 1: have a real keen sense of his abilities. And plus

499
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Speaker 1: caldwellllly fights one way it appears that is a huge test.

500
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Speaker 2: I will say cald will impress me though, moving up

501
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 2: in wait and winning so dominantly, even if he didn't

502
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Speaker 2: really take advantage to try to end those fights. And

503
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Speaker 2: I just want to say this about this selection show

504
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,360
Speaker 2: in this chance. This obviously works better in Bellatore, where

505
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 2: they can handle a cringe, they can handle a carnival,

506
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,239
Speaker 2: they can put out Dota five thousand and a heart

507
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,280
Speaker 2: attack match. They can do crazy things well they can.

508
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 2: They can't really do that, but they set up a

509
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 2: format here could have gone really bad with the reality

510
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 2: TV angle, could have gone really well. I gave it

511
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Speaker 2: a high grade going really well, and you know, we

512
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 2: didn't really get a ton of trash talk and a

513
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Speaker 2: ton of potential over the top moments. I think there's

514
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Speaker 2: potential for this to grow even more and be even

515
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Speaker 2: more entertaining. We probably tiptoe the line of cringe.

516
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Speaker 1: But don't you agree that if it's going to grow,

517
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Speaker 1: it has to grow as a separate entity like it

518
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Speaker 1: has to the selection show.

519
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Speaker 2: I don't agree with that because if you tell me

520
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Speaker 2: that there's gonna be a selection show at one o'clock

521
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Speaker 2: on Thursday, and I think you're gonna get way less

522
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Speaker 2: viewers and attention than in prime time on a card

523
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Speaker 2: that you have to see in a big city. I

524
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Speaker 2: was all for that.

525
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Speaker 1: I get it. I don't know. I think if you

526
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Speaker 1: want to do something more with it, you have to

527
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Speaker 1: give it space to breathe. So that's just my only

528
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Speaker 1: sense of some things. But so far with that tournament man

529
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Speaker 1: so good, and by the way, pit Bull wins in

530
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Speaker 1: the main event. It's a whole thing Okay, so let's

531
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Speaker 1: get to something else. I would love to start with

532
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Speaker 1: now in the third topic, I'll just pitch right to you.

533
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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, we told you, he told you, I

534
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 1: told you, everyone really told you that Aerol Spence taking

535
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Speaker 1: on Sean Porter was one not to miss. You had

536
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Speaker 1: Spence this great at waltzerweight, maybe maybe pump for pound

537
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Speaker 1: great taking on a bull in a china shop in

538
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Speaker 1: Sean Porter, and oh my god, did this deliver easy

539
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Speaker 1: candidate for fight of the year. Frankly an all time

540
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Speaker 1: classic insofar as that division is concerned. Brian Campbell, you

541
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Speaker 1: were there live in LA. What's the story of the fight.

542
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Speaker 2: The story of the fight is, let's not forget. When

543
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Speaker 2: this fight is booked, everyone's like, I need to see

544
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Speaker 2: this because we've never seen Spence against this crazy style

545
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Speaker 2: against an elite fighter. But look, something happened on the

546
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Speaker 2: way there. Suddenly the Vegas sharps are telling you Spence

547
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Speaker 2: is a minor nine hundred favorite and you have Spence

548
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Speaker 2: at every turn, which we talked about last week, predicting

549
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 2: I will easily knock out this guy. Nobody told Sean

550
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: Porter that in the end, and what you had was

551
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 2: a great pay per view fight in which both guys

552
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 2: went after it. Luke were just coming off the Mayweather

553
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Speaker 2: pay per view era where you get big shows but

554
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: then you get defensive showcases. This were two guys who

555
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 2: were forced because of the style that Sean Porter set

556
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Speaker 2: and the pace to go after it, and you had

557
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 2: an exciting fight and the end all takeaway is this

558
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: is almost a moral victory for Sean Porter. This was

559
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Speaker 2: his best performance in his career in a loss, though,

560
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 2: in which he pushed a guy in Errol Spence, who's

561
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: showing you up to this point along with Terrence Crawford,

562
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: all time great potential right, all time great to be

563
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: a face of this era, and he made him work

564
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Speaker 2: in a style, pace, in distance he didn't want to

565
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Speaker 2: for twelve full rounds now in the end, just like

566
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Speaker 2: in his last fight when Erol Spence out boxed Mikey

567
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: Garcia for twelve rounds to prove a point, Spence proves

568
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 2: another point here that he can fight another man's style,

569
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Speaker 2: that he can go in that trench for twelve rounds.

570
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Speaker 2: But don't miss the overall storyline here. Even though Porter lost,

571
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Speaker 2: he forced one of the great Spence to fight an

572
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: uncomfortable style the entire fight. Spence was never able to

573
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Speaker 2: discipline him, slow him down, and basically as a ring general,

574
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Speaker 2: create control of the fight. Credit to Spence, that eleventh

575
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Speaker 2: round knockdown was huge on my card. That took that

576
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: push that in Spence's direction to get a win one fourteen,

577
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Speaker 2: one thirteen. Judges had a little bit, you know, in

578
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Speaker 2: the other direction for Spence, But in the end it's

579
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: survived in advance because Porter made it a hllacious night

580
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: and Luke, he didn't do it the old Porter way,

581
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Speaker 2: which is reckless all the time. Did you see the

582
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 2: way he set up his attacks with smart feints, with

583
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: smart footworks, and jam always kept Spence guessing.

584
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. To me, it's like, is that the fight that

585
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 1: Spence said that was going to happen? Like when he

586
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Speaker 1: was talking about what this fight was going to be

587
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: and what he was going to prove, did he say

588
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: it was going to look like that? Never in a

589
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Speaker 1: million years. If you just zoom out, imagine you had

590
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Speaker 1: how's your vision? Is it good?

591
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: Can you see?

592
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: Is that right? Okay, you're a mutant, that's fine. At

593
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, I looked at the TV imagine you had

594
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Speaker 1: blurry vision, and you just saw them kind of fighting

595
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: the way that they were. You would say, like I

596
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: always tell folks, for example, when you watch a Floyd fight,

597
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: it often is a little bit slow, it's methodical, it's

598
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: taking place at distance. The one with Codo a little

599
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: bit different, and certainly against my Don a little bit

600
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 1: different too. But in general, why do his fights look

601
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: that way? Because he makes them look that way. The

602
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: complexion of the fight often tells you who's winning, which

603
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: is interesting because the overall complexion of this fight had

604
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Speaker 1: a Sean Porter fight written all over. It was a

605
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: goddamn brawl at times, right, it was amazing, and there

606
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: were times where Spence was covering up and ducking for

607
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: dear life.

608
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: He looked not hurt, but he looked uncomfortable.

609
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Speaker 1: Looked uncomfortable, very uncomfortable at times, dude. So here's what

610
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Speaker 1: I took away from this fight. One Spence is the

611
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: real deal. Holy Field right to be able to fight

612
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: a guy like that who was putting it on you,

613
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Speaker 1: scoring that eleventh round knockdown. And now there's a question

614
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Speaker 1: about where he goes from here, which we'll talk about

615
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: just a second, But for that moment in time, you

616
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: thought to yourself, dude, he can fight smart Mikey Garcia

617
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: and then brawling Sean Porter and he can come out

618
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: the other end not looking too scuffed up all that much.

619
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Speaker 1: On the other hand, Sean Porter proved, Okay, is he

620
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: the best waltz wait in the world. He's not, but

621
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Speaker 1: you better be and you better be on your A

622
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: game when you are the best. If you're gonna take

623
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Speaker 1: on Sean Porter. He is a tough out for anybody.

624
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Speaker 2: You let him in your house, somebody's get knocked up,

625
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: he's gonna get inside.

626
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: You have to be on your p's and q's the

627
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: whole time. And dude, you're right. I had it one fifteen,

628
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: one twelve thought. But to me it was like, I,

629
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Speaker 1: you know, there was I think I was like nine

630
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: rounds in. I think I like a Porter had a

631
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: winning thought.

632
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: It was one of those where you're literally judging Porter's

633
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: control of the pace in the fight and the dictation

634
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: of the terms against Spence, landing cleaner countershots. And I

635
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: think sometimes people whin they're scoring fights, especially at home,

636
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: and they're drinking and they're not paying attention as much.

637
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: You only score the scoring blows if you are making

638
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: another man fight your crazy style and he doesn't want to.

639
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: That's a big part of winning around.

640
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Speaker 1: But if he can do that and then drop you

641
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: in the eleventh and then find other sort of key

642
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: precise moments to Larry proved he's the real exactly that

643
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Speaker 1: stuff that was just that extra edge. So now the

644
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: question goes to who is you had Danny Garcia in there.

645
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Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about this.

646
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Speaker 2: Here's the problem the fans are really upset about.

647
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Speaker 1: Well, hold, let me let me give you my sense

648
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: of things, because I think it was after the Garcia fight.

649
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken that Spence called out Pa Pacio

650
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 1: jack the ring. That's right, And if Patio just had

651
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: his big win over Keith Thurman, Keith Thurman has his

652
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: hand messed up. They can't make that fight anyway. So

653
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, man, that'd be great. Pacio seems to

654
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: look revived, you know, when there may or may not

655
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 1: be VODA testing. I'm not saying one way or the other.

656
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't really care one way the other, but let's

657
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,719
Speaker 1: let's be honest. He looked great against thurmant okay, and

658
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: he still has the ability to pull big numbers on PBC.

659
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: That is the fight to make. I think you would agree.

660
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Speaker 1: I would like to see that one in the perfect world,

661
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 1: or maybe the Bud Crawford one. But here we go Pakio,

662
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't know that he is available for the moment.

663
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Speaker 1: And then on the other side you have Bud Crawford,

664
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Speaker 1: who is with top right now. I know they got

665
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Speaker 1: this fight happening between Ortiz and Wilder and saying, oh,

666
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: if we come together for this, I'm saying, if we

667
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: come together for this, we can just make things happen.

668
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Speaker 1: But the reality is there are more welterweights in the

669
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Speaker 1: PBC stable. They don't actually need to make that happen

670
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: in the same way that they kind of need to

671
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: make Fury and wild or two. So it looks like

672
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Speaker 1: Danny Garcia is the guy. Why should fans.

673
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 2: Fans are upset because it seemed predetermined and it was right.

674
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: Spence wins PBC Al Hayman Fox suddenly as Danny Garcia,

675
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: who was on the announced desk above the arena, suddenly

676
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: right there, turtleneck and all, and they sort of said,

677
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: matter of fact, you get the next fight. The problem

678
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: with that is he just lost to Spence. Last October

679
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: in that vacant title bout in which I'm Sorry to Porter,

680
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: in which Porter wins the WBC title and gets into

681
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: this fight. Since then, he's bounced back with a nice

682
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: knockout of Adrian Garnados, but he hasn't seemed to in

683
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: this season do enough to earn it. The reason why

684
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: I'm not upset is a couple of things. Wanted to

685
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: be a great stylistic fight, because Danny Garcia is an

686
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: elite boxer with a great chin, and he has the

687
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: type of power specifically in that left hook to counter

688
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: you that it's going to be an interesting, tense chess

689
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: match the whole time. And number two, I've been talking

690
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: about this welterweight era being potentially historic, Okay, not better

691
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: than the four Kings of the eighties, and then they

692
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: all moved up to middleweight, the Hagler, the Hearns, the

693
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: Durans and all that. But if we look back on

694
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 2: this era and say that we had Spence Crawford and

695
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: then a bunch of great b plus fighters like Thurman,

696
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 2: like Porter, like Danny Garcia, and they all ended up

697
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 2: fighting each other, well, I'm okay with this. I'm okay

698
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: with this then Spence taking some mandatory against somebody else.

699
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: He's potentially now going to be in three pay per

700
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 2: views as an a side in less than a year.

701
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: And regardless of how this pay per view scores on

702
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: the by rate with Porter, I think the way Spence fought,

703
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: he's going to be just fine as a brand moving

704
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: forward as one of the most important PBC fighters because

705
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Speaker 2: he went out there and had to fight to win it.

706
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: And in the end, yeah, people will pay for personalities,

707
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 2: but they want to pay for something that's going to

708
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: guarantee a win. The reason why I'm not so upset

709
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: about Pacio is I have my own sort of thoughts

710
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: in my head. Okay, he's being linked for a Mikey

711
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: Garcia potential pay per view at the early of next year.

712
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: You can like that fight, you can hate that fight.

713
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: That's fine. I'm wondering if he wasn't in the ring there,

714
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: because maybe we'll get something called maypac two next year.

715
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying this with inside info. I'm saying

716
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: it kind of makes sense. Right, there's enough smoke here

717
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: and enough money to be made. Maybe it would be

718
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: smart not to throw Pacio right at Spence. If you're

719
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: booking the whole damn territory as a whole, and maybe

720
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: set up that fight and then if we can get

721
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: something like Spence Crawford in twenty twenty one, which the

722
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: head of Fox Programming who talked to the reporters of

723
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: the Weekend said we'd love to do that, you could

724
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: end up winning out in the end. This is boxing.

725
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: It's not the organized NBA playoffs unfortunately, where the best

726
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: is going to keep climbing and fight the best. But

727
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: if you sit here and say you don't like Spence

728
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: Danny Garcia as a fight, I'm gonna question you on that.

729
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: Iss Nothing I dislike it. It's that if the real

730
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: claim to why we should do it is for historical completeness,

731
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: that's not a bad argument. But that's not an argument

732
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: why I should take Danny Garcia's chances seriously. Right, I

733
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: took Porter's chances seriously. I would take Pacquiao's chances seriously.

734
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: I don't take his chances seriously. Now, I'm not suggesting

735
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: to you that Garcia is some kind of scrub. He

736
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: is not right. I was there when he fought Lucas Matisse,

737
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: when Matis was in his power punching prime and he

738
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: beat him and his dad on Hew Garcia let the

739
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: whole room know about it. I remember that quite distinctly, right,

740
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like, do whatever whatever.

741
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: However good Garcia is, Spence is a little bit better.

742
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting he's unbeatable.

743
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: Well, look, he pushed Keith Thurman to the limit and

744
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: basically a split decision.

745
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was Thrman. No that we're now saying

746
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: was on the decline.

747
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: No, not not at that time. That was before the injury.

748
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: That was that was That was the beginning of the

749
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: chapter of his alleged decline.

750
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: It was the last fight before the two year break

751
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: and the injuries ry and it was a pretty damn

752
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: good fight.

753
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: When people bring up his decline, they talk about the

754
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: Danny Garcia fight, whether that is fair or whether that

755
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: is not fair, they do. They don't say all of

756
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: a sudden, oh you bet Danny Garcia, And it's only

757
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: a function of the time off.

758
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: I'm just saying Danny Garcia is pretty damn elite. He

759
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: hasn't doesn't have the welterweight resume, even though he's hell

760
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: the world title that he had at one forty. But

761
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: he's pretty damn elite. And I'm not trying to sid

762
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: here as company man of anybody and say, well, this

763
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: is fine, this is how boxing does. It is Spence

764
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: Pacio the next logical step if you're trying to find

765
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: out who the best welterweight in the world is. Yes,

766
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: but I also have beaten down and understand how the

767
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: boxing business works, say, promotion works and network works in

768
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: setting up big fights, and Spence Danny see it to me,

769
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: that's Dan would fight.

770
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a fine fight. It's fine. It's just

771
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: not the best available one. Certainly the Crawford one would

772
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: be by it. Would you pop from the packed two

773
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: next year? Though?

774
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: Would you pop?

775
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how

776
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: I feel about. That's a lot, that's a lot of baggage.

777
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: What if someone told you the first you can't get

778
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: Pachio Spence, but you could get Pachio Mayweather two when

779
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: Pack's coming off that therm and when he.

780
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: Looks like I would like it because it would drive

781
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: subscribers to this channel, right, we would, we would, we

782
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: would pimp that fight like it was no one's business.

783
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: But you're asking me like, I don't know here. The

784
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: thing is, man, that experience was so weird and so

785
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: unique and so in some ways unsatisfying. I don't know

786
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: that if that's blinding me to what is possible a

787
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: second time around, or rather than that that I'm just

788
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: going to get the exact same thing. And I'm trying

789
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: to delude myself and say it'd be so I don't

790
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: know answers, I don't know. I don't know how check

791
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: check real quickly. So Triple G is going to fight

792
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: uh dervan Chenko at Saturday, Saturday at MSG. You know,

793
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: it was interesting about this one. I was thinking about

794
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: it is like should fans get excited for it? I'm

795
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 1: going to make the case that they should. Brian Campbell,

796
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: I want, I know what you have to say, but

797
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: just a second, but I'm going to make the case

798
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: as follows. Folks may not remember this, Triple G was

799
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: supposed to fight Derivanshenko. Oh what was it about a

800
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: year ago? Right August of twenty eighteen or so, he

801
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: went out and fought Vanes Martirosian.

802
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: Well, that was supposed to be Canelo. Canelo had the

803
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: tainted meat, so Venics was a late minute right place.

804
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: But because he did not get the exemption from the IBF,

805
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: they actually ended up stripping him anyway. So they come

806
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: back around and the apparently the negotiations were contentious, admittedly

807
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: over some frivolous stuff, but they were contentious. They've signed

808
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: to fight kind of late. The point being though, is

809
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: against Danny Jacobs. I thought Derivanchenko looked pretty good.

810
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: His lost some split decision right and by.

811
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: The way, after getting dropped, showed a ton of heart

812
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: and commitment afterwards. It did not deter him at all.

813
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: So my thought is, look, you got two kind of

814
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: bulls who come forward with us, one one with a

815
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: much greater pedigree than the other one. Okay, but still

816
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: it's like dorrivian Chenko, some scrubb in the amateur circuit.

817
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: Either fight, Luke. This is a sleeper fight, I'm saying,

818
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: and it's much better than the initial when, for example,

819
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: when he Nello went to his first fight in his

820
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: own it was like Rocky Fielding, It's like, dude, this

821
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: is the other way. But this is he triple g

822
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: already his first fight with the zone in his back pocket.

823
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: This is not a second one. Look, I'm not saying

824
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: it's as good as the third fight would be with Canelo. No,

825
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: it's a great fight.

826
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: It's a hell of a replacement. We already talked last

827
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: week in the previous weeks how Covid left Canelo. To

828
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: me is the is the perfect replacement since we're not

829
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: getting the third Triple G Canelo fight. Well, on the

830
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: flip side, you're also getting Triple G back in a

831
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: title fight this week, and it's the belt they strip

832
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: from Canelo that you mentioned. Because Canelo was talking to

833
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: deer Vinceko for a while, derferen Chenko called himself the technicians.

834
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: Only got about eleven twelve fights, but in those he's

835
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: shown a hell of a lot. Gave Jacobs all he

836
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: can handle. This will not be an easy test for

837
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: glove Can. There's some real suspense here from a guy

838
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: in derfn Chenko who is a can box can punch

839
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: is durable as tough. But you have Triple G wins.

840
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: I know Canelos still kind of being I mean, the

841
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: word wouldn't be bitch, that'd be the bad that would

842
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: be a bad word. Fans are saying, I don't believe it,

843
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: but he's saying, who are He's saying any people are saying,

844
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: he's saying, I still may never fight Triple G. Well,

845
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why he doesn't want to fight

846
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: Triple G right now, he says, is because Triple D

847
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: doesn't have a world title. He's nothing to bring to

848
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: the table. He wins this title on Saturday, it would

849
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: make a lot more sense to do this the third

850
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: fight next year. Canello Triple G? A unification about big

851
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: business all of that obviously depending on what happens here

852
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: with COVID Live and all that. But really good fight,

853
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: really good sleeper, hardcore fight. You want to check that out.

854
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, and they have just a little bit

855
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: of shared history. It's kind of interesting these two. All right,

856
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: So let's go back to you, MMA, if we can

857
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: just here for a second. UFC two forty three brand

858
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: Campbell days away, the UFC middleweight title will be unified

859
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: between the existing champion, Robert Whitaker and your interim champion

860
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: Israel out of signing. We talked a little bit about

861
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: this last week. By the way, that clip, or know,

862
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: if you went back and watched the views, you see

863
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: the views for that clip on last week. I did

864
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: not It's the best clip we've ever put out in

865
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: terms of views on our now burgeting channel. People were

866
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: interested in it.

867
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: Yep, They're like, enough of these dong jokes. Let's get

868
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: down to fight with Let's.

869
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: Get some breakdown. So here's the question for you, Actually

870
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: pitch this one back to you if I can, because

871
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: I've done not one, but two dissecteds on it.

872
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: Professor Salt and Pepper on fire.

873
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: All right, well, you know we didn't get to one

874
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: last week. Jay. In any event, give me an X factor,

875
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: Give me an X factor for either guy. What is something

876
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: you're thinking about here for maybe either guy that you're

877
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: not saying it necessarily will make the difference, but it could.

878
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think for Whitiker, it's very obvious to point

879
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: to the inactivity sixteen months here, coming off of multiple

880
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: sort of injuries and setbacks. Can he be the same

881
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: guy in what you can look on paper and arguably

882
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: say this could go down as the toughest fight of

883
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 2: his career to ten rounds with the old Romero, as

884
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: tough as you're going to find. We're gonna find out

885
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: on Saturday if this qualifies under that same regard. But

886
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: to come back to this level of fight with that

887
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 2: kind of time off is certainly very interesting, and I

888
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: think without a Sonia, we don't know how great he

889
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: can be. I think we kind of have a feeling

890
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: how good, how great Robert Whitaker could be. Robert Whitaker

891
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 2: is a great ass fighter. He's incredibly tough, He is

892
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: so durable, carries out a nice game plan, does a

893
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: lot of things well, Luke, But I think we figured

894
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: out through ten rounds with Romero he's pretty damn great

895
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: Atasignja has that potential next level ceiling here and that

896
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 2: is so intriguing to watch in this matchup. Can he

897
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: do the same things to Whittaker that he has done

898
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: to others? Who is going to get off first between

899
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: these two and try to take the lead and make

900
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: the other one be a counterpuncher? If it's Whittaker who

901
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: does that, is Adusignia going to jump out and gain

902
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: control of this fight by being the more dynamic, quicker

903
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: handed guy to come out here. There's so many sort

904
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: of x's and those things I will interested in finding

905
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: out just as much as if both guys are dialed

906
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: in and are just about even in terms of overall ability,

907
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: We're gonna have five hillacious rounds here because Adasinja just

908
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: went through the hell's oven there against Gastellum in past

909
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: with flying colors, and he's fresher right now. I think

910
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 2: suddenly Whittaker, who is the rightful favorite in my mind,

911
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: has a little bit more to prove in this one.

912
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: We see Ottosign is fresher you mean because of the

913
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: time off between the last fight and this one, right

914
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: because he was just bouncing between camps essentially at that point. Yeah,

915
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: I'll give you an expector for both of them. You

916
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: mentioned the time off. I'm actually gonna say that cuts

917
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: both ways. So on the one hand, with the time

918
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: off for Whittaker, it's like, dude, you've had two fights

919
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: in twenty six months and you're now twenty eight years old.

920
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: That is a lot of time off. That is a

921
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: lot of time off, And I realized a lot some

922
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: of it's due to injury, the last minute cancelation against

923
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: Kelvin Gaslam, who could have foreseen hernia or whatever the

924
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: situation was. This are going to be ring rust. The

925
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: rule about ring rust is Domina Cruz says, it doesn't exist. Well,

926
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: it exists, but the key is it only exists on

927
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: most fighters most fights most of the time, not every fighter,

928
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: every fight all the time. So the question is does

929
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: he have some ring rust which intersects with the other

930
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: part about that, Dude, when you go from twenty six

931
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: to twenty eight, you're talking about the time any fighter's career,

932
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: much less any elite champion where they put together skills

933
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: camp over camp over camp, case in point issue out

934
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: to sign youa right. It's exactly what he was doing

935
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: from twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine. Okay, So my

936
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: point being, as as follows, it could be the case

937
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: that he has no ring rust, It could be the

938
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: case that he has some ring rust, and at the

939
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: same time, he's got a whole new back of tricks

940
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: we haven't even seen before. All the tape we're looking

941
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: on him from was from over a year ago, and

942
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: before that a year before that. So my whole point

943
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: being is when he comes out there, what setups is

944
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: he going to have? What different takedowns is he going

945
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: to have? All these different pieces of the puzzle. He's

946
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: never shown anyone. There's no tape on he could unleash

947
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: that an audes.

948
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: Sense a wantimistic way to look at it, and I

949
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: guess I.

950
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: Think it's somewhat dude. You're talking about a last thing

951
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: on this and let you go, we're not talking about

952
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: any old donk talking about Robert Walking about the very

953
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: best middleweight while as we currently speak, in that division.

954
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: I think he'd be very foolish to discount his creative potential.

955
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: I'll give you that, certainly, But when you're talking about

956
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 2: ring rush, your biggest fearst timing, he would not need

957
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: timing and any other fight in his career more than

958
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 2: he would need it against Israel out of Soignia. If

959
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: this turns into a close range chess match a kickboxing match,

960
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 2: then this is going to be a a style of

961
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: fight he can potentially lose if that timing is off.

962
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: But this is my point. If the idea is that

963
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: he's going to show new wrinkles again, one of the

964
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: dissectives is what do we know about Whittaker's offensive wrestling,

965
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: And the answer is not much. But we do know

966
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: in his time off he got good enough to wrestle

967
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: with international freestyle tournaments. If you want to wrestle against anyone,

968
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: it's the guy who's good at kickboxing, or I should

969
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: say who is great at kickboxing, who is good at wrestling?

970
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: That's your peak moment and opportunity, and he's never really

971
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: shown that this is a chance to flip it.

972
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: And to be fair, you know, he was a headhunter

973
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 2: for most of his early rise at Middleway and really

974
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: started to work in the lake kicks in the two

975
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: Romero fights, and you'd have to think that's going to

976
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: be a strategy that's going to be key against a

977
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 2: sign Last.

978
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: Thing about Atasignia. Don't you agree with this? His coach

979
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: Eugene Barman brought this up. Why is there a consistent

980
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: and pervasive doubt about him? Every one of his opponents flashy,

981
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: from Wilkinson to Vittori, to Brunson to Lesso Tavares, although

982
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: Tavares a little bit, but then you go back to

983
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: Anderson Silva, I guess a little bit as well, and

984
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: then Kelvin Gaslam. Certainly they're all like, dude, he's not

985
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: that good, And I'm like, well, no fighter is perfect

986
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: and he's got limits and they're identifiable. But news flash,

987
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: he's fucking awesome. Actually he's very good. Why why can't

988
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: they just say that?

989
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 2: Because anytime you're flashy and you're a trash talker and

990
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: you give the appearance like you might be somewhat one sided,

991
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: You're going to get haters who need to see and

992
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: be critics first before they can be proven. I mean,

993
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: he answered so many critics with the backbone he showed

994
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: against Gastolum. We haven't seen anybody take him down and

995
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: make him pay for it yet, and that could end

996
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: up being a factor in this fight. Let's say Whitaker

997
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: is not having the success on the feet, Let's say

998
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: he's getting solved in that area. Will offensive wrestling be

999
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: a big part of it?

1000
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: Figure?

1001
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 2: It just seems like out of Sonya is answering each

1002
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: question each time that he needs to. And let's not

1003
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: forget Whitaker was also the underdog in like six of

1004
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: his last eight fights before winning the title, So it

1005
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: kind of happens to everybody until you consistently prove it

1006
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: on the elite level. But how about this. Luke GASLM

1007
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: fought the fight of his life against Outasigna correct.

1008
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: Up to that point, not just in terms of he's young,

1009
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: but wise up to that point.

1010
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: You go back and watch that fight. Gaslam had a

1011
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: strict set game plan and the angles and the ways

1012
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: that he attacked. Is he potentially more dynamic of a

1013
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: threat than Whittaker was. Whittaker is a better fighter than Gastolum,

1014
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: all well rounded, and one thing the Reaper does is

1015
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: he will outlast you. He will grit and get through it.

1016
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: But is the game plan and the potential offense that

1017
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: he brings to the table really not as dynamic as

1018
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: what we just saw from Gasolam in the point of

1019
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: his life.

1020
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: I disagree there is to be sure. It was not

1021
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: that I was not sold on Kelvin Gaslam. I alwaysknew

1022
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: he was good, But after the Attasigna fight, I looked

1023
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: at him and said, I have misjudged him. He is

1024
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: much better than I thought. He is much much better.

1025
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: I really came out of that fight thinking very highly

1026
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: of him. On the other hand, what makes Adasignya what

1027
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: he is it is the level of advancement. So again,

1028
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: one of the things I did for Dissected is fainting.

1029
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: Fainting is you know in boxing it's so common you'll

1030
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: almost take it for granted. It is. I won't say

1031
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: it's absent MMA, but it's not universal, and guys aren't

1032
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: nearly as good at it. Adasignya is incredible at it,

1033
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: and you take someone else who's also good at it

1034
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: is Robert Whittaker. There's a degree of technical advancement to

1035
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: Robert Whittaker. Where is he the marauder that Kevin Gastolim is?

1036
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: Is he willing to put more offense to get other

1037
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: in quick or.

1038
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 2: Meat and potatoes than Kevin guests Kevin guess.

1039
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: I would actually say it's the opposite. I would actually

1040
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: say those blitzes that he has are perfectly timed, covers distance, quickly,

1041
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: full of trickery. Who's got more trickery in their game? Right?

1042
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: Who makes you look this way while they go that way?

1043
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: It's Robert Whittaker. Robert Whittaker does a lot more of that.

1044
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: But the question is when you meet your match and

1045
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: someone who can do that, the how does that play out?

1046
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: And I guess I just don't know the end.

1047
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 2: And I think when you look statistically, when you get

1048
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: real NERD heavy otto SONI doesn't get hit a whole ton.

1049
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: Whittaker absorbs more punishment in these fights. You know, he

1050
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: went in there against Romero and fought in the dungeon

1051
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: for many of those rounds and came out on top.

1052
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: I want to verify that bego how much if at

1053
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: a Sonya is able to slip encounter and get consistent

1054
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: in that, will we see Whittaker have to go to

1055
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: a plan B that we've never seen before. This there's

1056
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: a lot of intriguing things. And know there's a lot

1057
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: of haters watching this going Autosignia is not the real

1058
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: He's gonna get pummeled. I really like Attosnia's chances in this.

1059
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: To me, it's like, if you don't take either of

1060
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: them seriously, I don't know. I don't know what they

1061
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: can do at this point.

1062
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: Still legit fifty to fifty pick them.

1063
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: Well, which way are you leaning?

1064
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: Actually, let's ask that I'm leaning out of Sonia?

1065
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah?

1066
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: I think he has more to show us that we

1067
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 2: haven't seen to go to go to an even higher level.

1068
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: It's just to me, it's like, what's better all that

1069
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: time off and then developing a bunch of skills and

1070
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: then getting a chance to show it when there's been

1071
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: no tape on it, or back to back to back

1072
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: to back to back with a quick break at the

1073
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: last interval, and then bringing all that to bear, which

1074
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: is a better way to get ready for this kind

1075
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: of a life challenge. I guess we're going to find out.

1076
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: I lean out of Soignia too, but I've been out

1077
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: of Signya Homer, so I'm not really Yeah.

1078
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: I haven't, and I've come around to such a well. No,

1079
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: it's certainly so exciting to watch, but the idea of

1080
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: believing that we're seeing a truly special talent who's only

1081
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: getting better and only has even more in the tank

1082
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: and tricks to show us that we haven't seen. I

1083
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: mean seriously, sitting cage side for that fight against Gasolineman,

1084
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 2: that was one of the better experiences as a journalist

1085
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 2: are a combat sports fan of all time, and it

1086
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: really opened my eyes to we don't even know how

1087
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 2: great he can be. Whereas Whittaker's damn Gray love him.

1088
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: I'll give you something, Gasoline was more and out of

1089
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: Sonya's face. I don't know that Whitaker will do that.

1090
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: Whitaker might give him a little bit.

1091
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 2: Of rou who's gonna end up in the counter striker

1092
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: in the end to sign you and that's where he's

1093
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: gonna have it. That's gonna play into his hands.

1094
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: A little bit. Yeah, also, but he can if he

1095
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: waits too long with someone with the speed of Whittaker,

1096
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: it could be problems to me. To me, it's like

1097
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: you got two of the very best in their athletic primes.

1098
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

1099
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 2: Are you expecting an absolutely insane atmosphere there?

1100
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: Oh?

1101
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: I mean this is an all oceanic Uh, this is amazing.

1102
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean there's gonna be kangaroos.

1103
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: This is a Nike, this is yeah.

1104
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: Paul Hogan from Crocodile U D is gonna be there

1105
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: the whole bit.

1106
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 2: Can we get in Campbell's reference coming?

1107
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: You have a camera guy speaking? I mean, does he

1108
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: your eighties and nineties references? Our camera guy over here?

1109
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: He must get none of them? Do you get any

1110
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: of the You do some of them?

1111
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 2: All right, you're gonna You're gonna put Jake on the

1112
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: table here.

1113
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna burn him because I didn't say his name.

1114
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: You did? You're out here get outing whistleblowers. I don't

1115
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: know what you're doing.

1116
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: See less than Jake right there when he was like raiser.

1117
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 1: Hand Ja because they can see you on camera Rigian

1118
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: vision there, he.

1119
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 2: Is so befoile. We're warming up here, just full fourth

1120
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: wall renewal. Here in this nice bomb shelter, we play

1121
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: a little rock music to get you are working, and

1122
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: Luke says, hey, Jake, take this ish off. What was

1123
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: being played at the moment.

1124
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: Was a godsmack. No what was it?

1125
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 2: Alice?

1126
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: No?

1127
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: No, no?

1128
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: The ship you were playing Disturbed?

1129
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: Oh? And it Lukes like, get this new metal ship

1130
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: off my airwaves? Why don't you put on Alice in Chains?

1131
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: And Jake's like, how do you spell that? Alison?

1132
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: Yeah? He was like yeah, He's like, which Alison? And

1133
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: why is Chain's a last name? And I was like

1134
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: how old are He's like twenty five. I'm like, well,

1135
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: you know what, dude, how famous do you have to

1136
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: be to have generational turnover? The answer is I have

1137
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: no fucking clue. Like, I guess Beatles? The Beatles the

1138
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: only one. Can you name two Beatles songs? Yeah? Give

1139
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: you two the Beatles songs? Oh fucking he knows all

1140
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: the Beatles? How do you not know? Alice in Chains man?

1141
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: Not your are you playing Disturbed? I mean it was

1142
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: kind of your genre a little bit. It's kind of close.

1143
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: He's like, you know what He's like, I'm like, I

1144
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: like rock music? Oh yeah, you like uh like the stone? No, motherfucker,

1145
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: I like nickelback.

1146
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a nickelback all for theokie, Right.

1147
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: All right, let's get back on track. Last topic before

1148
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: we get to our DMS, some donks and all the

1149
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: other stuff. Important news over the last week, Daniel Cormier

1150
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: has revealed that he is going to be well. He

1151
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: wants to anyway take on steep A Miochich for a

1152
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: third time. Now, if he does a it'll be his

1153
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: third fight, or sorry, it'll be the third fight, be

1154
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: his last fight. And see, it probably won't take place

1155
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: until twenty twenty because apparently Miochich has some kind of

1156
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: lingering eye issue from their last contest. Now, we don't

1157
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: know how Miochich feels stuck.

1158
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: His finger in his eye, there's a damage rat another.

1159
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: Fair enough, but we don't know exactly how Miochich feels

1160
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: about this. He has not waited on a publicly that

1161
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm aware of. Okay, but let's assume that he takes it.

1162
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: Let's just assume they find a way to make it.

1163
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: The question is, is there reason to believe that a

1164
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: third fight between Cormier and Miochich would be different than

1165
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: the first or the second, right, would it be its

1166
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: own kind of fight or at least different than the

1167
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: second one. I'm gonna say the answer is yes, now

1168
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: there is not. That's not me.

1169
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: It's not a hard answer, Luke, that's not a hard question.

1170
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: This, it's actually it's a really important question. The people

1171
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: who in if you have a trilogy and there is

1172
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: space between the first and second fight, not always, but often,

1173
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: the fighter who wins the second fight is the fighter

1174
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: who ends up winning the third one, right, because you

1175
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: have shown that whatever happened in the first one wasn't illegitimate,

1176
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: but that if you get chances to make adjustments, who

1177
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: makes the better adjustments and you only have.

1178
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: An interesting I've never heard that that put that way,

1179
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 2: but you're saying so typically the winner of fight two

1180
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 2: always wins fight.

1181
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: No, no, no, not always, but it happens a lot only

1182
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: when there is space between fight one and to fight two.

1183
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: So in other words, you had Della shaw like rebound

1184
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: right away again not rebound, but you had a Goodie

1185
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: Garment rebound right away against dilt trip. It was too

1186
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: close together. There was no time to make adjustments. But

1187
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: if there's time to make adjustments and there's time to

1188
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: grow and someone gets a little bit older. In this

1189
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: particular case, it doesn't mean that I think Miochich is

1190
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: guaranteed to win the third or that Cormier is, but

1191
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: that when you have a chance to make adjustments, that's different.

1192
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: Because here's what folks don't realize. You don't have an

1193
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: infinite possibility to make adjustments. There's only really, I won't

1194
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: say it's a finite amount, but it's a fairly narrow

1195
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: subset of things you can do differently. Here's why I

1196
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: think the third fight deserves to happen one it's kind

1197
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: of important for I think for Cormier, which I'm sympathetic to,

1198
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: it is bad in the sense that if he wins,

1199
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: he just drops the title. That is a problem for me.

1200
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: But I'll say this, he didn't wrestle optimally. He didn't

1201
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: even establish the takedown threat. And you mean to tell

1202
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: me that they can't find a way around the body shots.

1203
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: I mean the answer is maybe they can't because he

1204
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: had that dipping issue that Jones always took advantage of.

1205
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: But for me, Brian Campbell, between the ability to make

1206
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: an adjustment for that and then to re establish even

1207
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: if you don't get the takedown, re establish a takedown threat.

1208
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: That to me makes a third fight intriguing.

1209
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an absolute no brainer. I mean, I'm

1210
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 2: not gonna come out here and be that guy again.

1211
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: And Steve, why didn't win the fight? He DC lost

1212
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: it even though there's a lot of the truth you tried.

1213
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 2: There's a lot of truth in that, all right, and

1214
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: the theme of that is just what you're saying. Stopped

1215
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 2: wrestling after round one, but even more importantly, stopped listening

1216
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: to his corner, walked into oncoming traffic with no fear

1217
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: of respont back for Stepa's power DC has been documented.

1218
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 2: He's talked about this, him coming back with a much

1219
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: smarter game plan and now with what's at stake in

1220
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: this fight. When I heard him on ESPN talking and

1221
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: saying that, you know, my wife even is behind this,

1222
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: I got to come back for one more. I can't

1223
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: leave it the way it is. Look, I was giddy

1224
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: like a schoolgirl. I was giddy like like a like

1225
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: a fanboy, because do you know what's at steak now

1226
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: in this fight? This makes this third fight. Look, I

1227
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: had wanted Jones DC three right right, shout it out

1228
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 2: right here. I wanted Jones DC three so badly because

1229
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: I was gonna make that hipster argument that this is

1230
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: the most important fight in UFC history, and had DC

1231
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: not lost to STPA, it probably would have been. This

1232
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 2: fight's not more important than that could have been, but

1233
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: in just the heavyweight history, this is the biggest heavyweight

1234
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: fight in history. I think you can argue that this

1235
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: is even bigger than the last great super heavyweight fight

1236
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: in history before this, which was in Pride and it

1237
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: was fade Or and it was crow c Up. I mean,

1238
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: just in terms of what you had steak for their

1239
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: careers at this moment. The idea that though in this

1240
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,959
Speaker 2: everything has got to be the goat in this fight,

1241
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: the winner is the greatest heavyweight of all time in

1242
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: UFC history. And for DC, you really repair that hole

1243
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: from that last fight, and he can walk away with

1244
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: a hilaciously good resume. And I wouldn't be upset at

1245
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 2: him leaving the title and walking away, because this is

1246
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 2: a guy who's been so great for the sport and

1247
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: would so deserve it.

1248
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: It does you can consit their division.

1249
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not worried about his body attack. He

1250
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: fell into that body attack because he gassed himself and

1251
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: fought a stupid game plan, allowed himself to get lit

1252
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: up with punches. This third fight, stylistically, given the mistakes

1253
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: that Stepe made in the first and DC made in

1254
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 2: the second, has potential to be completely different. It has

1255
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: potential to be hilarious. And there's so much history at

1256
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 2: stake on the line. Tell me a fight that has

1257
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 2: had this much at stake, just seriously, straight up.

1258
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: Well, So, the issue is it is super rare for

1259
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: the last fight of your career to be arguably your

1260
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: most important or certainly of one of enormous significance relativity

1261
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: of reputations. So, for example, the body of work that

1262
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: Saint Pierre had turned in was so good that had

1263
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: he lost to Michael Bisbins's fight, maybe it wouldn't have mattered,

1264
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: but the upside was so enormous that if you can

1265
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: come back from a four year sabbatical, jump up a

1266
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: weight class and then grab a title, dude, you are

1267
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: going to be in the annals of history as one

1268
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: of the tops, if you already already were were. So

1269
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: the point being for me is you almost never see

1270
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: someone where they come down to the wire. And I

1271
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: want to say this, would undermine his body of work.

1272
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't. It would It would reframe some of it.

1273
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: If he can't get it done Againsteepape because the whole

1274
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: framing was again second best in college, fourth of the Olympics.

1275
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 1: You know, you take your pick right backseat to Caine.

1276
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: Can't beat Jones, then he goes up to heavyweight. The

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Speaker 1: whole argument was, well, if Kane's not there, DC's the guy.

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00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: He may have been the greatest all along. We just

1279
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: didn't know it, okay, and that the whole thing gets reframed.

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Speaker 1: If you lose to steep Ay twice, then it begins

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00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: to follow that same narrative over and over. Conversely, if

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00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: you win, it's like, oh wait a second, he finally

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00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: he always persevered, but he would really ascend to the

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00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: top of something special, beyond what he already has. If

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00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: you can get it done. You almost never find somebody

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00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: in the last fight of their career having to face

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Speaker 1: questions like that. That is exceedingly rare in boxing, frankly

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Speaker 1: or mma. Most fighters, as you know, they go out

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00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: on their stool, or they go out on their hands

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00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: and knees or a stretcher or some sad press conference.

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Speaker 2: They get are they go down with stool? I mean

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Speaker 2: there's it's you can? You can double?

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Speaker 1: You can? Why are you here? Deezon? All right? With

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Speaker 1: that said, it is time now to get to your

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Speaker 1: questions DMS with Donks. I post a photo every Sunday

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00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: on my Instagram account Luke Thomas News and you guys

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00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: leave comments and then the donks around here pick them

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Speaker 1: for us. So let's go to DMS from Donks if

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Speaker 1: we can ready for this one, Brian Campbell, make sure

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00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: I got the right one here? Yes, okay? Does the

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Speaker 1: winner of Masvidal versus Diaz get a title shot? How

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00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: would you see that going down against either Usman or Colby.

1303
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 1: By the way, thanks for the best MMA show out there.

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00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: It is the best MMA show.

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Speaker 2: Combat sports show. I mean, why why sh stick it

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Speaker 2: just to mm A.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, Brian Campbell? Fair enough?

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Speaker 2: Go ahead at Jasonketo, Jason Sudoku. I'm gonna say, all right, yeah,

1309
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: I think that the star power involved in this Masvidal

1310
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: ds matchup is so huge and the potential on such

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00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: a high platform New York City, Madison Square Garden at

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Speaker 2: pay per view main event, non title BMF all that

1313
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 2: business I think you kind of have to, Luke. I

1314
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: think you have to take the winner and give them

1315
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: that opportunity to face the winner of Usman and Kolby,

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00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 2: which will be UFC two forty five December fourteenth, three

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Speaker 2: title fights. Can't wait for that. And I think they

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00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: have a shot of winning this year. Dude, this is

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00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 2: the final four that you have now at Walter Way

1320
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: is insane.

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Speaker 1: This is great. I don't like Das or Mazwdol's chances

1322
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: against Kolby or Usman. I don't like their chance at all.

1323
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: I won't say at all. I just don't like them.

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00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: Here's what's funny. How is this a question? What I

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00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: mean to say is the following. Do we really think

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Speaker 1: that whatever the solds you think about the BMF Okay,

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00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: they're branding themselves basth motherfucker. They're two excellent fighters and

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00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: they're going to fight like dogs. Right winner is gonna

1329
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: I mean at Massive Square Garden, they're gonna hoist that thing,

1330
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: the rock is gonna put a belt around them. Just

1331
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: think about the atmosphere, and I want you to. I want

1332
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: you to go there in your mind right now. It's

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00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: gonna sell out. It's gonna be crazy. It's gonna be

1334
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 1: full of people who want to see two real dudes

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Speaker 1: get after it. And I have no doubt they're going

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Speaker 1: to do exactly that. And I don't know who's gonna win,

1337
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: but that's what it's going to be. You mean to

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00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: tell me after you get the belt wrapped around you

1339
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: and you go to the press conference and there's gonna

1340
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: be tons of New York media there and you declare

1341
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: how bad you are and how awesome you are, and

1342
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: what's gonna be next? They're gonna give the shot to

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00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: Leon Edwards? Yeah? I mean really, I mean, how is this?

1344
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: I question?

1345
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: The first question is who else would be in line?

1346
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 2: Leon Edwards and who else? Nobody else?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I want you to just imagine the atmosphere

1348
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: and the buzz and the celebrity and then the outsized

1349
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: personality it's going to take over for the winner. And

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Speaker 1: you think that I'm saying, I'm not questioning the call

1351
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: the comment here, I'm simply saying, just generally speaking, how

1352
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 1: on earth would they give it to any.

1353
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Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, is there any chance

1354
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: the winner of that fight? Because it's such a rare,

1355
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: unique situation where just seeing two real dudes for a

1356
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 2: fake BMF title and the fun that goes round it

1357
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: actually makes it more important than an actual title fight.

1358
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Speaker 2: Is there any way that they would look down at

1359
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: facing the winner of Ustman Covington, either because they think

1360
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: both of them aren't big enough stars or they're thinking

1361
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 2: in their heads, that's a tough ass stylistic fight. Why

1362
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 2: am I necessarily chasing that? What I should be doing

1363
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: is maximizing my marketing potential and calling out Connor or

1364
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 2: Habib or.

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Speaker 1: That's the only X factor. The X factor is if

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Speaker 1: the BMF guy doesn't want it, well, then the whole

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00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: game changes. Right, then the whole game changes. But if

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Speaker 1: the BMF guy comes out there and says, I want next,

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Speaker 1: I got next. I want to have one BMF belt

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Speaker 1: here and one championship goal here, and I want to

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00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: prove them up, well, then I just don't. How do

1372
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Speaker 1: you deny the amount of inertia pushing them forward. It'll

1373
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: be impossible, Tony, But you're right. If they go out

1374
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: and there say I want Saint Pierre. If they go

1375
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: out there and I say I want Habib or I

1376
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: Catchwaight or whatever the case is, or Connor, then it

1377
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: gets dicey. And if Connor gets on Twitter, which he

1378
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: always does after a fight and says I got BMF next, dude,

1379
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,959
Speaker 1: it's going to be over. That's the only wrinkle. But again,

1380
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: if the BMF person calls it out, it's.

1381
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Speaker 2: Dana wake up, thank you for the BMF title. It

1382
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: cannot be one and done. Keep this crap going, all right?

1383
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: Are we seeing a wave of old fighters thirty to

1384
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: thirty five plus starting or moving into their prime and

1385
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: MMA scene naming Cannoneer and Mattson as a couple of

1386
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: examples in this weekend's UFC. Do you think it's special circumstances? Well, certainly,

1387
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 1: Mattson's a special circumstance. I would say it's going to

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00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: be a couple of things. One, if you had an

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Speaker 1: athlete from a previous career who's matriculating, and that previous

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Speaker 1: career is something where you have these worldwide participatory rates,

1391
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Speaker 1: like it's on an amateur sports system like a judo

1392
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: or whatever, and they don't have too many miles on them,

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Speaker 1: and obviously they're going to be a tremendous athlete, then

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Speaker 1: that would make it possible. Cannoneer is a really rare case.

1395
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: Where all this time to do was maybe really good,

1396
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Speaker 1: and never maximize it because of his inability to trade

1397
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: in an elite place and get the right way class.

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00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: Those are rare things. I would actually say, in general,

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00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 1: here's the reality. If you really want to introduce heavy antidoping,

1400
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: it ends up being at all effective, which still remains

1401
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: to be seen if it does anything. I said this

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Speaker 1: on Dissected. It's like there was a scene there.

1403
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: From the show with some PD talk.

1404
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: Never there was a scene there with Jeff Devitzki gett

1405
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: on his feet and clapping, which I would have clapped to.

1406
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: When Gastline gets hit with a triangle from out of

1407
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: sign and they both roll up and scramble, it like

1408
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: standing up and I'm thinking of myself, Brian Campbell, what

1409
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: is more natural than fist fighting another man for twenty

1410
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Speaker 1: five minutes? When I think about things that are just

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00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: meant to be in nature, it is the fist fighting

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Speaker 1: of two humans for half an hour. I'm sure that

1413
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: that's a natural thing. But okay, either here nor there,

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Speaker 1: the point being is this, I would actually say, it's

1415
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: gonna trend younger. It's gonna turnd a little bit younger.

1416
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna see guys getting in earlier and getting out earlier,

1417
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: with the exception of athletes who have a career and

1418
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: are still so good that they can come over and

1419
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: have a second life, or people who just kind of

1420
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: figured it out late. But in general, no, I'd actually

1421
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Speaker 1: say it's gonna except for heavyweight. Those are heavyweights. They

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Speaker 1: all hit forty. It appears anything different than I want or.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I have nothing to add. Look, how

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Speaker 2: about that, Well.

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Speaker 1: It's good at you and this one because it's relevant

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Speaker 1: to your one of your jobs. What's worse Brian Campbell

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Speaker 1: competent MMA judge or corrupt judges or corrupt boxing judges

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Speaker 1: from g huo macaroni?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wop macaroni, who op macaroni. It's kind of the

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00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: same thing. They both are awful. But obviously corruption is

1431
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 2: worse than ineptitude.

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Speaker 1: Let me askul, how often do people just look at

1433
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Speaker 1: a decision they don't understand, which could be defensible, and

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Speaker 1: they go corrupt y?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, corruption has been an easy way to cover up

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Speaker 2: just difference as an opinion. I mean, let's not forget

1437
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: somebody at this table. So Thurman almost did enough to

1438
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: be Pacchiao. So it's sometimes it's just in the eye

1439
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: of the beholder in the seat you're watching. But I mean, look,

1440
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: did you see on this pay per view main event

1441
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: on this paper view under Cardiff Spence Porter when unbeaten

1442
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: one forty prospect Mario Barrios is in there and it's

1443
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: an action fight. You see this against a back tier

1444
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: a back tier blatier you know, I can't remember the

1445
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: name at the moment, and he.

1446
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: Had like a one to sixteen, one to eleven score.

1447
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: This guy's fighting his life against Barrios and he's and

1448
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: he's dreaming on the gas tanking the whole time. Everybody

1449
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 2: at at ringside is going, watch he's gonna get screwed.

1450
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: Watch He's gonna get screwed. Why because the other guy's

1451
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: the unbeaten house product, top prospect in all this, and

1452
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: we're talking about a foreign guy who has no promoter

1453
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 2: and doesn't have a network deal. And that's unfortunately, that's boxing.

1454
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: So that's worse than anything, Luke. It's where how many

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00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: times have I been at a giant boxing pay per

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Speaker 2: view in Vegas and this big event that is supposed

1457
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: to bring in the casuals and get my friends who

1458
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: are annoyed at me talking about boxing to finally care,

1459
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: and then you get another mailed in pre recorded scorecard

1460
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: favoring the more you know, the money guy. Yeah, that's

1461
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: way worse than watching an MMA fight, in my eye,

1462
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: than watching an MMA fight and going, oh yeah, they

1463
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 2: judge screwed that one up. How the hell could you

1464
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: give that ten eight?

1465
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Speaker 1: I would just say that in general, I don't know

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00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: how much of a problem corruption as it's commonly understood

1467
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: is like judges being bought off or letting nationalistic pride

1468
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: objectively take over. I would actually say, in MMA and boxing,

1469
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: corruption is not the one I would be looking at.

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00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: It's incompetence or just you know, a relative lack of

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00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: ability judging is heard. And there's a lot of people

1472
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: like at Burt, I mean, how many bad and c J.

1473
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: Ross and these people who like sit on these post

1474
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: It's like the Supreme Court, they just said on these

1475
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:10,439
Speaker 1: posts for years handing out fucked up scorecards. It's really

1476
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: affecting people's lives and the ability to make money. And

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01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: it's like to me, it's like that is a much

1478
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: more pervasive problem like corruption. Like here's the thing about coruption,

1479
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: Like you need evidence to prove corruption. Where's your paper

1480
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: trail of money. I'm not saying it never happens. I'm

1481
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: sure it happens every year. But in competency, dude, you

1482
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: can see that right in front of your eyes. You

1483
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: don't need a paper trail for that. You can the

1484
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: paper trail is the scorecard.

1485
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: Well, the problem is that there's so much perceived corruption

1486
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 2: in boxing that anytime it's it's just in competency, it

1487
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: just gets labeled as corruption. That's one big gross soup.

1488
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: All right, So this one goes uh to both of us.

1489
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: What is your number one hangover?

1490
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: Here?

1491
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: By the way, I did not pick these. Is that

1492
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: John Riggans, the people at showtime pick these and then

1493
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: send them to me. I don't know what you're saying Showtime.

1494
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: I I like this message, Luke.

1495
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: I know you have a few.

1496
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, what's your number one hangover cure? Like

1497
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: if if your head is hanging off but you still

1498
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: have to go to work. Look, I know you have

1499
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: a few. It's at Riggins.

1500
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,479
Speaker 2: This is like John Riggs Riggs under the table at.

1501
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: John Reggins, like upset with the Skins game yesterday? Number

1502
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: one hangover care? Well, bro, I gotta tell you forty

1503
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: there is no hangover cure.

1504
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. For see, that's once you get once, Once you

1505
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 2: get old balls, you're you're It's a Russian roulette you.

1506
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I could have a glass into the half

1507
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 2: of wine with the wife watching a sitcom and go

1508
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 2: to bed at nine and end up with a javelin

1509
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: stick out.

1510
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: If I don't drink enough water during the day and

1511
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: I have like three like micro brewery beers, oh god,

1512
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: you wake up with a with a raging head.

1513
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 2: I go on the fruity side of the I p

1514
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: A and you got some extra ingredients in there.

1515
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: That's what you get for drinking I p as well.

1516
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 2: No, that no, So the premise of the question is.

1517
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: Things you can do. I p as are for people.

1518
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 2: It's like for people who have taste of it's craft

1519
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: and engineering.

1520
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: It's for basic bitches. Really, it's who it's for.

1521
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: That's the exact opposite of what a great I PA is.

1522
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: No, that's exact, that's exactly I p as. There are

1523
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: a couple of good I p as. I p as

1524
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: people who.

1525
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 2: Say there are a couple of good ips or people

1526
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 2: who don't drink ips, and can I drink.

1527
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: I drink there plenty of I pas. I tried a

1528
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: New England looke, the home of the IPA. I mean,

1529
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: but New England overrates their own micro Have you waited.

1530
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 2: In line a treehouse brewing in Massa, Chusetts academic and

1531
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 2: tasted the song?

1532
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: You understand why IPAs are so ubiquitous across micro breweries.

1533
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 2: Because you drinking shitty ones off the store shelf in

1534
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 2: DC I go to. You do not know what I

1535
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: do know who you're speaking, You don't know.

1536
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: You clearly do not know the depth to which we are.

1537
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: We can take this conversation, dude. What happened about ten

1538
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: years ago was there was a hops race among beer makers.

1539
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: What they tried to do was just dump it in there.

1540
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: So for example, remember ten years ago when they had

1541
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: like dogfish Head ninety minute ipa, then they had one

1542
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty minute IPA. Do you know why they

1543
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: made one hundred and twenty minutes just to go like

1544
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: this in all their customers faces, and you were first

1545
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: in line, I guarantee being like this hawk taste right,

1546
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: this is really good there. It's just an arms race. Now,

1547
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,439
Speaker 1: what they've done more recently is to your point. They've

1548
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: incorporated more floral and fruity elements. They've dialed way.

1549
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: Back there levels to this.

1550
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: There are Belgian I've had. There's a one.

1551
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: I'm only talking about the top shelf right now.

1552
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: I understand there is a give a shout out to him.

1553
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: There is a brewery in in my own neighborhood called

1554
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: Right Proper. They make a Belgian style I p A

1555
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: that is phenomenal.

1556
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: Don't misunderstand if you're first off, if you're drinking Belgian

1557
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 2: style I PA, you're an asso because Belgian is the one.

1558
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 2: I'm a huge style of beer. I mean, why don't.

1559
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: We just put Belgian style?

1560
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: Don't why don't we put a stick of.

1561
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: Butter on the bottle here? And like you know, like Belgian,

1562
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean the world leaders and beer making. Are you

1563
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: out of your fucking mind?

1564
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 2: Belgian style is I was getting on him for like

1565
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: a nickelback. You are nickel band and fight that, okay,

1566
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 2: palate number two, dude, come to New England, all right,

1567
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: go to you know what I'm saying, Go to Vermont,

1568
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 2: go to Maine, like get the get the real I

1569
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 2: p as and then.

1570
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: Dude, you are the guy who shows up with the

1571
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: frozen Octagon pizza and you think that that ship is

1572
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: You're You're not the real You don't like this, you

1573
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: don't like Belgian beers. There is no hope for you.

1574
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: You are you are vermin.

1575
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 2: I mean I have I have taste for actual craft beer.

1576
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: You don't have taste for anything. They are the world leaders, dude,

1577
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: beer made by the monk.

1578
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 2: Do you know what they do in other countries in

1579
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 2: Europe and Asia? They build statues for people like Michael

1580
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 2: Jackson and they like worship in front of it. David

1581
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 2: Hasseloff can have a music career and being start in

1582
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 2: Germany afterwards. So you're gonna try to say, well, just

1583
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: because the rest of the this isn't a soccer argument here,

1584
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: just because the rest of the world gets down on

1585
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: some shitty ass Belgian beer, No, dude, I.

1586
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: Mean, name three Belgian beers. That's not that's no, no, no, no, no,

1587
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: don't dodge.

1588
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 2: Name three Belgian I've had the very best, Okay, I've

1589
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 2: I've done the Delirium that I've done the.

1590
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: Actually actually went to Delirium Cafe in Brussels. I've had

1591
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,439
Speaker 1: their entire I love the ship out of delirium. Okay,

1592
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: that's the best of the Belgian. But that's that is

1593
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,439
Speaker 1: that is the middle of the road for Belgian. If

1594
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: anything that's not even close to their best. Dude, you

1595
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: are super wrong on this time.

1596
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm really not.

1597
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: Here's I'm not telling you Newland doesn't have good beers.

1598
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: They got good beers, and I'm not telling.

1599
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 2: You it's not even good. It's it's they're setting the

1600
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: trend for the country. Now, unless you have.

1601
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: Very good very they put they put, including mynck of

1602
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: the way.

1603
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 2: There are some parts of California where it's insanely good.

1604
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: But seriously, come to Vermont, Massachusetts, and I.

1605
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: Think we can have this kind of on the Glet

1606
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: give me two beers that I need to try from

1607
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: your neck of the woods. Give me two.

1608
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 2: Anything on the treehouse. Lineup, Orange Julius, Purple Haze. I

1609
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 2: mean you got to you gotta try that. You gotta

1610
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 2: go to uh. I mean, look, there's some main brewing

1611
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 2: company will.

1612
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: Change your life, all right, all right, So what we're

1613
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: gonna do is next week, can you pick some up

1614
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: and we try some on the air.

1615
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 2: See I'm talking about beers so good that you have

1616
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 2: to go. In a lot of cases, you have to

1617
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 2: deliver the goods or don't deliver the good We'll do

1618
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 2: it on that okay, okay, week when I'm in Jamaica,

1619
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 2: we'll do it.

1620
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: It'll be great. Are you not here next week?

1621
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 2: No?

1622
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: All right, Well, okay, the next time you're back, we're

1623
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: gonna do that.

1624
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 2: Back to red stripe for you, go long off?

1625
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: All right.

1626
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 2: The spirit of this question, though, hangover here is a

1627
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: hangover cure. I don't want to say this out loud

1628
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 2: because it breeds up bad conversations. But what's my number

1629
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 2: one hangover cure? Stretching out a colde hanger and sticking

1630
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 2: down my throat purging. You want that ship out of

1631
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 2: your body? Okay, you want it out. You want all

1632
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 2: the problems from the night before out. That's that's how

1633
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 2: you begin a hangover here. Okay. Yeah, I like greasy food.

1634
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: I like getting a Kille smoothie. I like doing all

1635
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 2: that stuff. But give me a nice hot shower, let

1636
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 2: me throw up and take a nap. I'll be back

1637
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 2: in the game, all right.

1638
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: That sounds like a healthy, a healthy way to deal

1639
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: with your problems. My guess is that's not the only

1640
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: problem where you recommend barfing as the solution, I would say, honestly,

1641
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: if you can, if you can hand because sometimes the

1642
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: hangovers are so bad you can't manage it. If the

1643
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: hangover is manageable enough to get a good sweat and

1644
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: then to go shower, like rehydrate, get a good sweat out,

1645
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: go back, go shower, get a meal under you. Not

1646
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: not people in the greasy.

1647
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 2: Theme of the question was if you had to go

1648
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 2: back to work, and that's another conversation. If you're just

1649
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 2: trying to survive on a Sunday at home, there are

1650
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: a lot of different factors you can use. There's some

1651
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: herb factors you can use as well.

1652
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: You can do an en ramen. I would have like

1653
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: a soup right to there's a soup that my wife

1654
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: makes that I think the space. The term for it

1655
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: is levante de muertos like raising the dead.

1656
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 2: Oh nice, right, because it's you eat the soup.

1657
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: Is full of salt and whatever, and it kind of

1658
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: brings you back to life a little bit.

1659
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 2: I know the rock stars like PDLA. I like a

1660
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 2: nice like as I e. Shake, like a nice power

1661
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 2: shake to kind of.

1662
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: Show honestly, when I was twenty five, I would just

1663
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: wake up, sweat it out. I'd be fine at forty

1664
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: bro there's purge.

1665
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 2: Just no, don't don't take that back. Well I edit

1666
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: that out in the post, all right.

1667
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: And last, but not least, out of all the combat

1668
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: athletes this weekend, why does Brian have such good bad

1669
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: taste in beer? Sorry, I'm mean to say who had

1670
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: the most successful performance and why of all combat athletes

1671
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: this weekend? Brian Campbell.

1672
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 2: I almost want to say Sean Porter, and it's just

1673
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 2: kind of a stupid hipster argument. But he fought at

1674
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 2: such an elite level and pushed Aero Spence to the

1675
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 2: absolute limit, had the best night of his life in

1676
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 2: a losing effort, all the reasons I just said earlier.

1677
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: But how about I just go to the comine event

1678
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 2: of that card. I was gonna bring this up later

1679
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 2: on Odds and Ends, but David Benavitez won back his

1680
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 2: WBC super middleweight title over a trusty veteran there in

1681
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 2: Anthony Durrell. The dog. We know Benavitez had lost the

1682
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: title because a little boogar sugar. I mean, look, when

1683
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: you're young, sometimes it happens. He's only twenty two. He

1684
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 2: might be the best super middleweight in the game. And

1685
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 2: when you look at the assets in the PBC, you know, PBC,

1686
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 2: they've got half of the great fighters in the sport.

1687
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: Yep.

1688
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 2: He might be right up there with Deontay Wilder, Errol

1689
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 2: Spence and Manny Pakia in terms of the best most

1690
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: important assets moving forward for the for the PBC twenty

1691
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: two year old big for one sixty eight cam brawl,

1692
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 2: punches and bunches, and they are building a long term

1693
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,799
Speaker 2: kind of super fight ish. Do you speak, Caleb Plant?

1694
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 2: Are you in on this guy? Sweet hands? You know

1695
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 2: what we're talking about.

1696
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw last He's a.

1697
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 2: World title holder at one sixty eight. He's a pure boxer.

1698
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 2: Benavetez is a stand in trade guy. There's a long

1699
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 2: term term fight to make here. I know I didn't

1700
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 2: give the guys in the back enough time to put

1701
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 2: up the highlights here of David Benavidez, but he had

1702
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 2: a big win, got a cutover Durell's eye, finished him.

1703
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 2: Watch that guy, watch that guy in the future.

1704
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: All right, very good. I will go with and I'll

1705
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: do a little bit more of this and odds and ends.

1706
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to go with Gordon Ryan. Gordon Ryan got

1707
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: double gold at ADCC twenty nineteen this year, which is

1708
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: I won't say unheard of, because Andre Galvala did it

1709
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven, and you've had other people medal twice

1710
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: in both or metal once in absolutely the metal, once

1711
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: in their weight class, but to do it in the

1712
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 1: same year he submitted six of eight opponents. The only

1713
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: two who survived were Hulk, who got us back taken,

1714
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: and then Bushetia, who could do basically nothing to him.

1715
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: Who are who is a huge man one weight class

1716
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: above him. It was amazing. It was amazing to watch

1717
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: what he could do. And he is calling himself the

1718
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,600
Speaker 1: Nogi Goat. I don't know that that is true necessarily,

1719
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 1: but dude, it was weird to watch him. I've been

1720
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: watching ADCC for so many years. He would just he

1721
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: sets up a leg entanglement and then it is as

1722
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: if everyone who gets in there is in quicksand it

1723
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: doesn't matter where they post a hand, it doesn't matter

1724
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: where they place an end step, it doesn't matter where

1725
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: they place their weight. He just either finds a leg

1726
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: lock or finds their back and it's over ninety. Well,

1727
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: see he's working. Here's the thing I know, I tweeted

1728
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: a thousand tweets about over the weekend, which I'm sure

1729
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: had to be annoying. But as I said on Twitter,

1730
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: I don't deny that my ADYCC tweets were annoying. This

1731
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: is what you donkeys get for your pro wrestling tweets.

1732
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 2: It's like embryonic fighting.

1733
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 1: So many MMA journals just flood Twitter where they're dumb

1734
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: ass pro wrestling tweets, and I was playing with my

1735
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: dumb ass ADCC tweets.

1736
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 2: My tweets are just as bad, just as bad me

1737
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 2: watching simulated fighting. That's theater with pomp and circumstance and

1738
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 2: acting and all in toughness, in athleticism. Are you watching

1739
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 2: embryonic fighting? That's like, Uh, let me create a new

1740
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 2: genre of adult films. All we do is kiss. It's

1741
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 2: called the Hallmark Channel. Already have that one? Like what like, like,

1742
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 2: when are we gonna see some action here?

1743
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: You know? No wonder you don't like Belgian beers, You philistine,

1744
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: No wonder you got the palat of a toddler.

1745
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 2: Hey, look have you seen this ship at all? Are

1746
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 2: you ready for this?

1747
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 1: Yes, let's do it.

1748
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,560
Speaker 2: Let's do viral videos for the week. We want to

1749
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,799
Speaker 2: start off. Look, we combed the globe, we're combing the desert,

1750
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 2: and we have found.

1751
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: Ask a question about this. Do you put this together?

1752
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 2: I do put this?

1753
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 1: Okay?

1754
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 2: All right? We start in Cumbake, America, Guadalajara. Donnie Mato's

1755
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 2: get read. You're about to get short circuited. You got

1756
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 2: Johnny five. Here it comes, Luke.

1757
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: You didn't set this up, run, I didn't set.

1758
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 2: This up well at all. Yes, disassemble. Wow, Donnie Matos

1759
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 2: a big when.

1760
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: You get h Yeah, you're waiting for the t referee

1761
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:17,799
Speaker 1: Jason her he's consoling.

1762
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 2: I think he's actually reviving him. I mean I think,

1763
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 2: like Jesus. Can we get out the paddles? Wow, let's

1764
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 2: see that.

1765
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: It's the right hook.

1766
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 2: My dad told me don't mess around with hookers. Will

1767
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 2: take your money, then they'll take your soul. Right here,

1768
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 2: Luke steps out.

1769
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: Okay, it's an angle. Oh and wow, Jesus.

1770
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 2: Wow.

1771
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: Well you know what he didn't do the testifying in church. Bit.

1772
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: You know what that is. No testifying in church is

1773
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: when the head snaps back and then the hands come up.

1774
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they didn't do he didn't testify in church?

1775
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 2: Well what that what Donnie Matos' opponent should have had

1776
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: with some good training, let's go to Uh have you

1777
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: seen this ship number two? Luke, if you ever find

1778
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 2: yourself on the streets of DC and you get in

1779
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 2: a nice look at the moves on this guy. Look

1780
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 2: at him. So, if anyone's ever coming at you slowly

1781
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 2: with a knife, your best bet probably be to wear

1782
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 2: a padded bra to block it. If you're this guy

1783
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 2: or number two, just turn real slowly, pointed out your dog.

1784
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 2: Wait what, luke, what is going on?

1785
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: No? The trick to getting out of a knife situation

1786
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: just to be a fat.

1787
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 2: Fuck Wow, look at the unit on this Look what

1788
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 2: is happening right here?

1789
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: So just so do he's honestly looks like someone who's

1790
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: trying to like with a finger poke like a like

1791
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: a like a like a whale.

1792
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 2: God, even Steven sagal with his belly right now, it's

1793
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 2: faster hands.

1794
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,600
Speaker 1: And look at this man's face. He's just bored with

1795
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: your bull ass. So if an elder every one of them,

1796
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: every one of them is belt like this.

1797
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 2: If an elderly woman attacks you, okay, that's all you

1798
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 2: have to do Lucas. Yeah, alrighty, alrighty.

1799
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.

1800
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 2: Let's go on to the next one.

1801
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: Here.

1802
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 2: Have you seen this ship?

1803
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 1: Luke?

1804
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 2: All right, we're in.

1805
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: Last guy to knock on Anderson sold He became the

1806
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: first Glory champ.

1807
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 2: Chap oh champ champ in Glory. Call him Chris Hanson

1808
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 2: because he just learned how to catch your predator right there? Look, oh,

1809
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: Chris answered, I was just here to have pizza with

1810
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 2: the girl. Bro, she's thirteen. You're a dirthole. All right,

1811
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 2: you'll be doing time with the subway guys want to performance.

1812
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: Why am I not surprised you have watched endless hours

1813
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: of to Catch a Predator?

1814
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 2: Look at this Ah Blues traveler taught me that the

1815
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 2: hook will bring you back. That guy's not coming back,

1816
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you like that? You

1817
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 2: get down on that your nineties reight Todd Grisham on

1818
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 2: that call, Oh, shouts chogger, Todd Grisham going full on Luke,

1819
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 2: Thomas Salt and Pepper. He said he talked to Bruce

1820
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 2: Buffer about it. The ladies like it that way. He's

1821
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 2: embracing it, he's going forward. I'm still kind of coloring

1822
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 2: it out. I'm a little behind this week.

1823
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: Answer that's true, but like ask him which kind of ladies?

1824
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's a separate podcast there, Todd Grisham's love life.

1825
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 2: All right, let's keep it moving here on. Have you

1826
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 2: seen this ship?

1827
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: Lower level? Mma?

1828
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 2: It's dirt bag carnival mma. Look at this?

1829
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: Is this a battle of the juggalos.

1830
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 2: Look at that's what you get for kicking the dung

1831
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 2: double dong kick ko. Look at the guy in the

1832
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 2: green Harry's trying. He's trying. Instant Karmena is gonna get you.

1833
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 1: Learn battling over which insane clown po?

1834
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 2: I love that this guy's trying to gut it out.

1835
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: If they look at this, this is you and me

1836
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: arguing over beer.

1837
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 2: Yes, look at have you ever seen like real bottom

1838
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 2: barrel mm A.

1839
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: Like, Oh buddy, I've got to regional mm A all

1840
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: the time. Seriou question? Where was the last time you

1841
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: went to a regional?

1842
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:14,639
Speaker 2: I have never they sell beer meth?

1843
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: What do you?

1844
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 2: What are you getting done with it?

1845
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: It depends what are they sell them in the parking lot?

1846
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 2: Oh, look at double don Kale like even Matt Matt

1847
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 2: mittreeon's uncomfortable watching this.

1848
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah that is amazing. Yeah do they each get

1849
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: is it ten minutes or is it just five minutes?

1850
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: Starting now?

1851
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 2: I think that fight's over. I just waved the fight

1852
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:29,799
Speaker 2: off at this point. I mean that's.

1853
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: Increatude regional mma. You will see some ass.

1854
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you get a haircut like that and bring

1855
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 2: it into a cage, you're you're liable.

1856
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 1: What are you saying? You can't have a nice So the.

1857
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 2: Video plays off. This guy's trying, he tries to get up,

1858
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 2: he goes down one more time. You can't recover from that.

1859
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: Luke which one gets kicked again?

1860
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 2: No, the guy on the left, the guy in the

1861
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 2: green hair, he tries to get up at the end

1862
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 2: of the video and he goes down again. He can't.

1863
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 2: You can't make it.

1864
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: He's done. Yes, he's cooked.

1865
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, hey, let's finish up here. I don't

1866
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 2: know if you saw the weigh in for UFC Copenhagen

1867
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 2: this week.

1868
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:53,799
Speaker 1: I did.

1869
01:14:56,120 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 2: Against uh Khalil roundtree. Is this acceptable? Like if your

1870
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 2: round trees? Should you be allowed and encouraged to punch

1871
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 2: back when somebody does this to you?

1872
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: Let's see screaming like that. That's how Monday screams at

1873
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: me when I hit the alarm. Yeah, that's me. This

1874
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: is me waking up my that's my alarm every time

1875
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: to get up to come to New York City to

1876
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: do this?

1877
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 2: Is that acceptable? That that's he is?

1878
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: But what he is, boy, he is Uh he's caffeinated. Yeah,

1879
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: he's caffeinating every time he's he's dressing up like the Hulk.

1880
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: He's screaming in in uh round tree's.

1881
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 2: Face, walking around like he's got a big just swinging

1882
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 2: it around.

1883
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 1: To circle back to Laba. Do you ever see cannoneer

1884
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 1: walk him down? Remember that when he was like you

1885
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: remember that cannon ear got the crazy eyes and then

1886
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 1: walked Laba down and beat him. It's one of the

1887
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: all time great moments.

1888
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,640
Speaker 2: Ion or is it some weird like European you know

1889
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 2: it's yeah, I don't know. All right, we've had some

1890
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 2: fun with pictures the last few weeks. Luke I dug

1891
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 2: deep for this one.

1892
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: You want to.

1893
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 2: See intensity speaking of mm A face off. Look at

1894
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 2: this Polish regional mm A. You want to see the

1895
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 2: city of their faces. Look, they're they're like nose to nose,

1896
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 2: they're like mountain. But if you zoom out a little

1897
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: bit in the back, whoa tamp action, just for a second,

1898
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,520
Speaker 2: just to see how it feels. Luke, look at that intensity.

1899
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:15,719
Speaker 2: Look at that right there.

1900
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: That's like a and a yang thing.

1901
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 2: They make movies about this, Luke, that's incredible.

1902
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: You know what, They're bonded for life.

1903
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 2: I mean, how fired off part of these guys, Luke.

1904
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 2: I don't know whether we're gonna fight or half.

1905
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: I mean, this is great, right, They're out here touching dicks.

1906
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 2: That is wow. This is this is like a sequel

1907
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 2: to the shaf R.

1908
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: Brian. I want you to know, no matter how happy

1909
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: I get with the show, we're not touching dicks. Bro Ever.

1910
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 1: I like you, you're a nice guy. We're not.

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Speaker 2: Wow. By the way, for the story, I've been trying

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Speaker 2: to get that.

1913
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Speaker 1: Let me tell us. Let me tell us. So, we

1914
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Speaker 1: used to do a show called the nim ab Rest

1915
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Speaker 1: in Peace. Great show, like Brian had been on the show.

1916
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Speaker 1: When did you start doing the show?

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Speaker 2: On eighteen?

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Speaker 1: He comes in maybe two weeks after doing it, because

1919
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Speaker 1: we did odds and ends on that version of the show, too,

1920
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Speaker 1: might call that but more or less on his phone

1921
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Speaker 1: He's like, did you see this picture? These guys are

1922
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Speaker 1: touching dim He's like he would go and after every

1923
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: show he'd be like, dude, is this the kind of

1924
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Speaker 1: show where we could talk about guys touching Dick's And

1925
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Speaker 1: I'm like, Brian, I don't. I don't think it's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea. Sure enough, without

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Speaker 1: my knowledge, he brings it on this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, if you if you're a fighter and

1929
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Speaker 2: you're gonna bring that kind of intensity to a fight,

1930
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Speaker 2: we got him with this is that's what Morning Combat's

1931
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Speaker 2: all about. I mean, look where look where were you?

1932
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Speaker 1: All Right? All right, I got I got a show.

1933
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Speaker 1: I gotta do odds and ms. What's your odds and ms?

1934
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Speaker 2: My odds and ends? Is this Saturday and showtime? We

1935
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Speaker 2: got close of Shields back in the ring. And look

1936
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Speaker 2: the two time Olympic gold medalist. And I know that

1937
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 2: there's at times men's boxing fans are like, I'm gonna

1938
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Speaker 2: get down with this women's boxing. But here's the deal

1939
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Speaker 2: on Shields. She is embraced from day one that she's

1940
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Speaker 2: the face of the sport and she's willing to do

1941
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Speaker 2: whatever it takes to prove she's the greatest of all

1942
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Speaker 2: time one titles at one sixty eight in like her

1943
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Speaker 2: second fight, undisputed middleweight champion beat Christina Hammer last year

1944
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Speaker 2: and I'm sorry earlier the year in a really big fight,

1945
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Speaker 2: and now she's coming back on Saturday against Evanna Habizon

1946
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Speaker 2: for a vacant title at one point fifty four. Her

1947
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 2: eventual goal is to move down to welterweight if she

1948
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 2: can and take on Cecilia Breakus, who's the kind of

1949
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Speaker 2: the long raining pump for pound queen. You got to

1950
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: give it up in terms of a daring to be great,

1951
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 2: somebody putting the whole sport on her shoulders and saying

1952
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do whatever it takes to fight everyone in

1953
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Speaker 2: my era. I have a lot of respect for that.

1954
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Speaker 2: And the thing about Clissa Shields is one of the

1955
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Speaker 2: better podcast interview guests. Runs her mind, runs her mouth,

1956
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Speaker 2: tells it like it is, yeah, And in the fights,

1957
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Speaker 2: she doesn't have game changing power in these two minute rounds,

1958
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Speaker 2: so she's got a fight. In these fights. A lot

1959
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Speaker 2: of her fights turn out to be fun action brawls.

1960
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Speaker 1: We find she pushes these ladies backwards. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: if you want more for content. I looked this up beforehand.

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Speaker 1: We have a whole playlist right here on the Morning

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Speaker 1: Combat channel. So if you just go to our channel,

1964
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Speaker 1: look at the bottom and see a bunch of playlists

1965
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Speaker 1: for Clarissa Shields and that fight in particular, I encourage

1966
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Speaker 1: you to go look at more. It's a good one.

1967
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Speaker 1: I'll go back to ADCC. Let me give a shout

1968
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Speaker 1: to Flow Grappling. Have you ever used their so so,

1969
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: I'd never used their service, and I finally took the plunge. Wow.

1970
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 1: I was impressed. They would have three to four mats. Well,

1971
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: they had three mats, but they would have four feeds

1972
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,679
Speaker 1: going at lunch once. Every feed had its own commentary team.

1973
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: It was easy to toggle between them. It was super simple.

1974
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,760
Speaker 1: The production was smooth, The event moved quickly, Like dude,

1975
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Speaker 1: they did a great job, and like they had pictures

1976
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Speaker 1: up after a win or a video on Twitter or

1977
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Speaker 1: on Instagram immediately. I was very very impressed by them.

1978
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Speaker 1: I mentioned Gordon Ryan, one of his teammates deserves a

1979
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Speaker 1: note as well. It was not his brother unfortunately, who

1980
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: did not do all that well, although he did beat

1981
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Speaker 1: a previous world champion. It's Nick Rodriguez, Nick Rodriguez, John

1982
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Speaker 1: danahera of the team there. Nick Rodriguez, Wow, do you

1983
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Speaker 1: know his stories?

1984
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Speaker 2: I don't.

1985
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Speaker 1: D three wrestler, enormous muscular specimen. Okay, he is a

1986
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 1: blue belt, only been training two years now. After this

1987
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: tournament he got his purple, so he's a purple now,

1988
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: but heading into the tournament he's only a blue belt.

1989
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 1: He got to the finals, he beat black belt after

1990
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: black belt after black belt to get to the files. Now,

1991
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: by the time he got there, he lost a guy

1992
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 1: on MF. Kanaan do'orte, who, by the way, I think

1993
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: Bouchethap beat in the absolute no no who lost? Who

1994
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 1: beat Canaan? And it may have even been Gordon, I

1995
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: don't remember. Point being is this Someone's like, how the

1996
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: hell can a guy with two years of training do this? Well,

1997
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: it turns out that, like if you think about it,

1998
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 1: Her just just the right way. Two years with John Danaher,

1999
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: they showed him can get you to learn just what

2000
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: you need to do, what you need to avoid. If

2001
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 1: you look at the ADECC tournament, they don't really there's

2002
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: rules about garbling which you just can't do. You have

2003
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 1: to kind of wrestle it out. So it's kind of

2004
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 1: a wrestling tournament to a degree, and you look at

2005
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 1: this guy, super driven with a great team. Yes, d three,

2006
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 1: but okay, that's a lot of wrestling experience. It was

2007
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 1: a lot of ugly matches, but he kind of got

2008
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: it done. Now by the time he got exciting his matches, well,

2009
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: it was exciting in a sense. It's like, dude, how

2010
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: was a guy with jiu jitsu for twenty years? How

2011
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: can they not be the guy with two It was

2012
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: kind of wild in that sense. By the time he

2013
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: faced somebody who could match him physically, it was kind

2014
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 1: of over for him. But it deserves to be noted.

2015
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: Nick Rodriguez over at the Dan Hurt I guess he's

2016
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: brot of the Danaherds squad, but the Henzo Graci system, Wow, dude,

2017
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: he opened up some eyeballs about what he could do.

2018
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: But of course, Gordon Ryan being the role winner over

2019
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: the weekend, and by the way, Gary Tonan, who's been

2020
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,799
Speaker 1: doing one championship, kind of did the tournament late, got bronze.

2021
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Speaker 1: Got bronze pretty good for him too.

2022
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Speaker 2: Is shout out to Gary Tonan.

2023
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, did all right? So all right, we're done here.

2024
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Speaker 1: You owe me some beers. You owe me some beers.

2025
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Speaker 1: We're gonna do it all right.

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Speaker 2: Imagine if you didn't have other jobs, we could actually

2027
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Speaker 2: do a full proper show.

2028
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: I know, I know, showtime. Imagine if I could really

2029
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 1: invest in this program.

2030
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Speaker 2: In a full face Jaye in the back, I couldn't

2031
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 2: hear you all show, but I know you were there

2032
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Speaker 2: from that now.

2033
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Speaker 1: By the way, I had my earpiece in the wrong era.

2034
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Speaker 1: You know what, Jay, you go away? Okay, all right,

2035
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Speaker 1: thanks for Brian Campbell. Thanks to me. I don't know

2036
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Speaker 1: why I'm saying that, but I'm gonna say just the same.

2037
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Speaker 1: Thanks to you guys. Here. I'm gonna point this out.

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Speaker 1: You can follow us on social media below. Please please

2039
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 1: please like the video, subscribe to the channel, and share

2040
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: it around. We're in our Nasset growth stage. We need

2041
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: all the help we can get in terms of getting

2042
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 1: the word out. Always appreciate.

2043
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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell your friends and let all your host be loyal.

2044
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Speaker 2: Is that what you say at the end?

2045
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Speaker 1: No, No, that's not what I would say. I don't

2046
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Speaker 1: want to get fired. Okay, So for Brian Campbell, I'm

2047
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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. Until next time, May all of your gains

2048
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Speaker 1: be loyal