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Speaker 1: Cheese Company and Upstate New York. As far as we

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Speaker 1: this edition of On the Job from Express Employment Professionals,

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Speaker 1: we'll meet a couple who's come back to the land

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Speaker 1: to make a living doing what they love. If you

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Speaker 1: Karen Michelle brings us a story from New York's Hudson

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Speaker 1: Valley about how a ten year old love of goats

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Speaker 1: New York State has a long history of farming. In

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Speaker 1: and there's a mon girls, Happy Goats, Delicious Cheese, Wonderful Life.

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Speaker 1: It kind of goes along with our goals for the company.

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Speaker 1: People went around and toured each of our farms, UM

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Speaker 1: Brennan Foley. He and his wife Caitlin run Hoofprint Cheese

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