WEBVTT - What the Burke?! 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:07.760 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast Cherlbert. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:08.600 Can we start the show? 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:08.960 Sure? 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:12.160 Can we start the most dramatic podcast? Oh my god, 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:13.039 we are on the road. 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:13.960 That name up? 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:17.680 Actually, I did not make the name up, Amy Sugarman. 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:19.239 One of our producers made that name up. 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:21.400 It's almost as long as sex, Lies and Spray Tans. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:23.240 And yes, I just dropped my own podcast. 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:25.400 We are less than a minute. I know this, And 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.000 you just dropped the name of your podcast on top 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:31.640 of my podcast. Okay, Sex Lies and spray Tans. Yes, 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:32.400 that's the podcast. 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:36.760 I definitely don't have one right now, Noli Tan. I'm 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.800 not going to show you because it's embarrassing. My laser transparent. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:43.680 I look like Casper the Friendly Ghosts. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:45.560 You look like an iPhone on in the dark. 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:46.000 Like Tom. 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:51.000 Tom, Tom, don't don't mess with Pasty Tom Burser good. 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:52.880 I love Tommy. You love Tom? 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:55.440 Yes, and he loves you. We just interviewed I just 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:56.400 interviewed him, so you did. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.880 Yeah, he was so funny. He was I know if 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.120 I told you that story like he we were kind 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:05.120 of the two hosts at ABC. He's obviously tenured and 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.880 had been there a lot longer, and I was he 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:12.040 had done Miss America. I was taking over Miss America 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.200 the next year. I hadn't met Tom and I met 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:16.039 him at this Disney thing. Remember back in the day 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.200 we used to do Primetime twenty three. Yeah, we used 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.720 to go down into Primetime Disney previews and we'd go down. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.319 To dance a little yeah, good free guide. You know. 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:24.959 It was so fun back in the day. We'd be 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:27.800 down at Disney doing these events and it was, you know, 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:32.280 Dennis Franz, John Ritter, Belushi was there for made some 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:34.160 you know, goofy. 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:36.560 According to Jail, I don't even know who you're saying 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.760 right now, that's how sheltered of a life that it was. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:41.720 I loved it. It was like it was we had 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:42.880 such good stars back then. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.160 No, we really did. I mean we also had free 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.840 the stars. We had guys like we didn't have to 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.160 wait in lines now there they refuse. 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.280 They would give you the plaid jacket person who would 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:55.040 put you to the front. And I had kids, so 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:56.640 I had these little kids who had just born. Some 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.720 my kids were born into Disney. We would go to 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:02.920 Disney and yeah, oh so spoiled, and so the worst 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:07.040 part is the best part. These plaid jacket people take 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.560 you through the exit and then you walk right to 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.360 the front and you know of Magic Mountain or whatever 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:16.960 it is, Space Mountain, and you feel the glare of 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:18.920 the people on the other side of the turnstile who've 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:20.799 been waiting in line for an hour, and you just 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.280 teach your kids like, don't look, don't look directly at anybody, 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.560 don't look, just keep your heads down, feeling we're going 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.280 to get on the ride and we're just gonna pretend 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:28.280 like this never happened. 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:29.320 Oh, that's the worst though. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.000 But I didn't feel so bad that I didn't take 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:35.000 advantage of it because multiple times, Yeah, we did Disney World. 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:36.800 I did Disney. I did a Disney cruise. 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.519 Same. I got the hell out of that, though fast. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.400 I was like, we stopped at Florida and I was like, 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.040 I'm not going, I'm not on boarding, I'm not a. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.040 And my son actually looked at me one day said Dad, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.200 we're not cruisers. And he was young at the time, 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.040 and he's right, we're not cruisers yet You're right. As 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:52.760 I get older, I. 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:55.680 Will be there cruising through a last and I'd be that. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.200 Girl dancing as part of the show, Lauren, look at 0:02:58.200 --> 0:02:58.880 the salmon. 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:00.680 They're running up the stream. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:01.440 Totally. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.320 I don't know why that's my voice when I get older, 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.320 but that's what's going to happen to me. This show 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.080 is turned into a train wreck already. 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.760 That is my middle name. I'm kidding. I have to 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.119 be nice to myself, supposedly therapist. 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.960 What year did you start dancing in general? 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:17.280 No? 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:18.400 No, Dancing with the Stars. 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:23.280 Oh, two thousand and six, okay, season two? So I 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.480 twenty one, two thousand yes, yes, you were a baby. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:27.720 When I met you. 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.360 I was twenty one, not a baby. I was legal. 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.200 More than legal. I was like I was able to drink. 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.360 There was a lot of underage you know. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.200 You know at the time on dancing they really weren't young, 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.840 and it's like you were as young as it got, right, Totally. Yeah, 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.880 it wasn't like they did. Weren't bringing in the child actors, 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.800 right or like the child pros dancing so much as 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.640 producers they prey on and use the sexuality so much. 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:54.600 That's such a huge part. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:55.640 It still Disney friendly. 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:57.840 Why do you think that Dancing with the Stars was 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.240 ever Disney friendly? It's never been Disney because you haven't Disney. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:05.040 Can see inside people's organs. Yeah, when they do the 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.520 splits in those little tiny costumes, it's. 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:11.600 Like, how how when I got rid of the Bachelor World. 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.400 It's something I've been a part of for twenty years. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:16.640 So again, it's not positive or negative. It just is 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:17.080 what it is. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.840 Was the grieving process though there you do, it's you 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:20.839 go through. It was yours. 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.480 It was difficult because mine was you know, obviously I 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.440 don't know if you heard it was a bit of 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:27.680 a show. It got a little traumatic, and it was 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:28.560 kind of public. 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.920 Yeah, kind of kind of yep, considering I don't watch 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.000 TV and I still heard about it like that is 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.440 you know, you know that you're like huge. 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.200 Then mine went very public. It got very nasty and 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.359 got litigious and contentious and all those things. 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.000 But how did you like, was it a shock to 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:45.599 the system. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.600 It was a big traumatic experience. Because I've been doing 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.400 except for twenty years. I kind of thought I was 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.719 probably going to continue on for a little bit longer. Anyway, 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.840 I started to think about, okay, what's nexting and moving 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:00.840 away from the show, but it wasn't time yet. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.479 And many seasons did you do. 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:05.640 I did. I don't know how many seasons. I'm terrible 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.719 about that. I did twenty years here you don't know. Well, actually, 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.719 here's the problem. I did nineteen and a half years. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.440 I wanted to get to twenty. I was my thing 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.440 was when I get to twenty years, I'm probably going 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.000 to step away. I'll figure out what this is. But obviously, 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:24.000 you know, nobody gets to leave typically on their own accord. 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:25.280 I mean I did. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.159 Speaking of Disney life, Life's not a Disney movie? Is 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:29.960 that how you left? Did you you decided to leave? No? 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.920 I decided, Well, this is what I decided that I 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.719 no longer want to be a pro dancer. Okay, but 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:38.600 you know I also want. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.839 To evolve and be host or judge. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.520 Right, wouldn't that be natural? Like you would think, right, 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.560 one of the biggest I've been the longest, I've been there, 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:46.000 the longest. 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:47.880 You're one of the biggest stars to have ever come 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:48.360 through that. 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.760 Show, regardless of star. I mean, it's just like it's 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.960 hard for me to separate the business and the personal 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.479 because like, these people are my family, and yeah, but 0:05:57.520 --> 0:05:59.560 they're not but they're not right. Yeah, But what's so 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:04.480 hard is that like they've seen me my most vulnerable right. So, God, 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.120 there's so much I want to say, but I just 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.919 the difficult thing is my mouth. 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:12.840 You do when you when you work, and this is 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.640 not necessarily a knock on ABC or Disney or Warner 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:20.120 who I worked for, but partly what they want you 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:21.919 to do as an employee. And this is if I 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.520 own a big company, I would want you to feel 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.240 like you're a big of a big part, big happy family. 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:29.920 You're a part of that. You're replaceable that, yes, but yeah, 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.440 you don't get too comfortable because you're replaceable. But hey, 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:36.360 we want you to sacrifice everything. You wanted to walk 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:37.960 away from professional. 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.880 Dancing because Okay, first of all, I've been saying it 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.920 for a while, but also like I just as an 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:46.480 artist honestly just looking at like my potential and wanting 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:50.240 to just grow. Like for me, this whole last year 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.159 or two years, you know, since my separation and divorce 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:57.080 and everything has been a huge growth growth in my life, 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.640 just like growing period where I just want to evolve 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.920 and I can't walk away from my marriage and then 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:06.000 walk away and not walk away from the show, because 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.760 it's it's all similar, right, it's all coming from the 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:13.240 same I guess need of wanting to evolve. And if 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.960 that's with you, great, If it's not, great, but I'm 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:16.400 moving on. 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:21.680 And so I'm going to guess, well, you wanted to stay. 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:22.400 You wanted to stay. 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:24.560 I wanted to stay a whole job title, yes, as 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:25.760 a host or judge. 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.000 And they knew very much that I was wanting this 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:29.760 for many years. 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:31.400 My guess, I'm going to go out on a limb 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:35.680 knowing the executives and especially the executive you were dealing with. 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:37.480 My guess, promises were. 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.480 Made absolutely for many years. 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.280 So promises were made to Cheryl Burke many times over. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:44.800 I know they were made to you about the Bachelor 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.360 and Bachelorette and being on that show. 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:47.480 You're still talking about it. 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:48.080 Yeah, I know. 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.600 So I'm heard you walk that. Did you not know? 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.000 Oh I thought you did that. 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:53.840 They put that on me? 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:54.800 Yeah, I think so. 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.240 Yeah, Like I have that much power, someone said to you, 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.960 I have the power to decide to bachelor bache att. 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:01.760 No, I think they blamed it on you. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.560 Absolutely, that's funny. But it's also the beast that we 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:08.800 work for, right Why it's Hollywood, it's this business. They 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.880 because they are just as scared. You know, everybody has 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:14.800 a boss and those people are scared to death, and 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:18.600 so it's just yeah, and so they look. They love 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:20.960 being around the talent, they love being around the stars, 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.240 and they they love to make promises, right, they get 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.640 to walk in the room, they get to be the 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.440 star of that room full of stars. 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.880 And I think they really love to make promises that 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:32.560 they can't keep, Like, I don't think I could do 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:33.520 that as a human being. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:37.040 Well, I don't know if they necessarily love that, Like 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.680 they don't love lying, they love control. Well, I don't 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.200 know if they even necessarily know they do it. I 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.839 think it is almost a you walk in a room 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.079 full of stars and all of a sudden, you are 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.079 the star like all these people, all the dancers. When 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.240 this person walks in and goes, oh, hey, you know I 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:57.800 don't yeah, and like hey, and so you walk in 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.439 and everyone knows this person and he's actually popped right 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.200 right in that moment or she, whoever the executive is 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.160 at that time. And yeah, they're going to make promises 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.720 to you because it makes you happy. They're just saying 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.800 things to placate you and make you happy because they 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.440 need to get you to want to sacrifice. If I 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.480 tell Cheryl, hey, you're going to be host or judge, 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.079 trust me, like everybody loves you. You're going places, I'll 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.520 take care of you. You're going to dance in your 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:24.559 living room when you have COVID, You're going to come 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.120 in and I'm. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:31.080 Going to interrupt you. I think this is why I 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.520 started to speak up for myself. Right. Whether you want 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.840 to call it a woman with an opinion or somebody 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.360 who is egotistical and narcissistic, it's neither. It's just the 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.880 fact that I was learning the bullshit, yeah, and I 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:45.480 was so tired of it now. I was tired of 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:49.160 going through William Morris, my agent, who was basically calling 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.000 them out like it was exactly what you had said, 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.200 and then it was like put it in writing, right, 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:56.960 it didn't happen. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.079 Right, I left. 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:00.240 Or they'll even say they will, like, oh yeah we will, 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.960 we will, but you can't, but like, but then you don't, yeah, 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:03.640 And then they never do. 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:07.120 And then I have another offer at another network, NBC, 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.760 and so then I'm going to go there, and then 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:11.520 I come back and then I feel like I've been 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:12.440 punished ever since. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.000 Well, that's the thing. They you know, I stepped out 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:19.200 a lot and did other shows, and if I did Millionaire, 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.520 if I did Miss America, and I took another gig 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.240 outside the Bachelor, it's like I would come back home 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.599 and be punished. It was, and it really is like 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:30.280 a relationship where it's as if I had stepped out gaslighting. 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.280 It's well, it's as if I stepped out on my 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.600 my lover. It's like I went out and was kind 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:36.240 of hitting on it. I was flirting and I was 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.800 hitting on other people. And I come home and I 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.400 smell like someone else's perfume, and they get they get 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.000 very jealous and protective. 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:44.679 They don't say it, they don't communicate it. 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.280 No, there's they'll they'll do things like all of a sudden, 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.679 you'll have a co host or someone will be like, oh, 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.600 we're taking off this, or yeah it's like, oh, you know, 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:53.720 I think we want you have. 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.760 The worst celebrity ever. Or you'll be in the back 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.120 of the group numbers you're like, what the hell? What? 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.960 Yeah, what? There's always ways for them to kind of 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.160 put their their thumbprint on you. But it is it's 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.720 a it's a power grab and it's our industry is 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.840 not any different than other businesses who do this. But 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.640 we live in this world and it's it's Laura and 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.760 I discussed this a lot. When you're doing something in 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:20.520 the arts, and we are, you can't take yourself out 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.640 of it. It's emotional, you're dancing. Your soul is in this. Yeah, 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:26.839 it's how we communicate. And when I'm hosting or whatever, 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:30.680 that's that's me. And so you can't say it's not 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.640 personal because for us, everything we're doing is personal. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.920 And by the way, it is to them too, like 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.640 I don't care. Yes, maybe they're better at it because 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.960 they're the ones in control, but don't tell me it's 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.480 not It doesn't come from an emotion in their body 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.679 that's being triggered. Right, So basically, but we're still because 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:59.360 we you know, we don't have our own network yet yet. 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:07.120 How did you find out officially when you weren't going 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:08.400 to be hosting or. 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.480 I mean back, okay, so much I want to say, 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:12.959 was this. 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:13.960 The Tyra's situation? 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.599 No, this was I mean, this would be so controversial 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.120 even before Tyra, like when Tom was still. 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:22.440 They were looking for a new co host with Tom. 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.760 I mean, I can't, but you could you get Andrews? 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.920 Was it Aaron? Was she ever co host? Am I 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:31.920 making this? Okay? 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:33.880 So it was if you actually I mean you could 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.360 just talked about you coming in. Well nope, but like 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:41.160 on the d like nobody knows. And this was right 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.360 when my contract of like one hundred years finally finished, 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.040 right like it was like done. And then I at 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:51.959 the time it was Paul to leg D who remember Paul. Yeah, 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:56.720 so he was running this unscripted over at NBC and 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:58.720 had this show for me called I Can Do That 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:03.640 with Colschure Zinger, Joe Jonas Sierra and it just sounded 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.000 fun because it was like, okay, but here you are 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.199 promising me the world, and I said I would stay 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.360 if you put it in writing, if you. 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:11.120 Put it in a contract. 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.280 I mean, this is just one on one, like come on. 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.560 And then they say at the last second no, And 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.800 then of course, you know, Paul's so excited. He goes, 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:21.680 this is gonna be huge. I'm stealing you from a 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.000 show that I used to work at, and from like 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.360 you've been so heavily like you know, he fed off 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.679 this shit and for me, I'm scared, like I'm literally scared, 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:31.679 but I'm also trying to put me first. But at 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:33.640 the same time, I only know Dancing with the Stars 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.240 that was the heart like one of the hardest decisions 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.839 of my life because it's like, I want to believe 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.680 you right, but let's just be real, I also have 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:42.000 to believe. 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.080 I want to believe that you guys will actually do 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.079 the right thing, because you do feel like a family. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.840 You feel like these I'm almost like I'm stupid, Like 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.959 how are you going to convince somebody that you're you're 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:53.880 promising them the world and you're not going to put 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.880 it in writing like that is insanity? 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.840 Like you at dancing you're just Sheryl Burke, Yes, period, 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.920 just this woman who's living her life, your emotions and you. 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.360 This is you and that was my identity was And. 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.280 They are massive, you know, the two biggest I was 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.920 dealing with two of the biggest studios in the world. 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.960 And you're a rounding air. You're not even a rounding 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:14.880 air in their mind. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:16.080 What's that meaning? 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.800 You're you're worrying consequential? Oh you know, did me leaving 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:22.000 the show heard it? Yeah? 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:24.000 Of course, like Tom run right. 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.080 When Tom left Dancing with the Stars, he didn't leave it. Yeah, 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.800 well he was. Yeah, that got messy and I need 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.760 to ask Tom on because it's that was crazy to me. 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:35.480 I mean, I made him a two parter in my 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.880 new podcast. Since you're not going to promote it sex 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:38.880 Lies and spray tanks. 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.720 You're doing Wait, you're doing a podcast, shut up my 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:42.720 third podcast. 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.240 If this doesn't work, I don't know what will. 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:49.000 It's on iHeart Radio. You can find sex lies and videotapes. 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.400 Where videotapes and vhs tap. 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:55.200 Do you remember that movie Rob good one, Sex Lies 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:56.000 and spray tans? 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.280 Yes, the summary of what let's talk. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.040 About like that? Because you are pissing everybody else. 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:02.400 Oh I'm not. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.640 You know, it's funny when you kind of break away 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.880 and you get it's like any relationships, you start to 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.520 get perspective. Yeah, you get your power back, you get 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:12.200 your voice back. 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.680 Well, I haven't gotten there yet, you will. I mean, 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.040 I believe my voice is definitely loud and clear. However, 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:23.080 the repercussions still make me feel a certain way. 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:24.200 They scary. It's scary. 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.320 It's that scary. It's more like empty because it's so 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.680 interesting how I define. I mean, it's not that interesting. 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.760 It's all I mean, it is interesting. I defined myself 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:36.400 by dancing, literally by what place did I get? This 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:40.440 last season? Was was how I was holding myself in public, 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.360 like whether I was confident or not. Now if I was, 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.760 if I won, then you know I'm feeling great, Like 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.480 it's so interesting just to dissect that time of my 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.000 life at seventeen years of my life. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.080 You know, well, what's and again this is an actual 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.080 plus we're dancing with the star, seeing we're saying good 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:00.960 things that if people think these answers don't care and 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.200 it's not competitive, you're crazy. Like you know, I remember 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.200 back in the day I was friends with Mark ballas 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.320 I was friends with you Maxim. All these guys, trust me, 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:13.400 they want to effing win, Like I remember you, well, no, 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.200 but you want to win the competition. You want to dance, well, 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:17.480 you want good score, you wanted to win. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.120 Okay, wait, no, no, you didn't want to win. It's 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.440 those boys you were talking about. Now they have a 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.880 different it's more like a competition between them. But for honestly, 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:29.080 for me it I think I won back in nineteen 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.120 sixty two, and I was the most successful when it 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.120 wasn't when I didn't make it about me. And then 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.720 when I started getting a little selfish, oh, then it 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:37.760 started to work against me. 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:38.560 Wow. 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:40.960 And then when I became sober, I had a whole 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.280 new perspective on this whole show. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:47.000 You've been sober for five years, which I love. Congratulations. 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:48.960 So they told me that you said the reason why 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.000 they said that I didn't get to do the Bachelor 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.760 Bachelorette because Chris Harrison said that you're a sloppy drunk. 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.880 That's so funny, and you know, it's great here, this 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:03.440 is what's beautiful. We can talk about this they in public. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.520 They would never give me that kind of power to 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.200 decide who the Bachelor Bacherette is. Yeah, I mean Mike 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.440 would ask me, or you know, or somebody would ask like, hey, 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.280 like what do you think about Emily Maynard, what do 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.760 you think about Jason Mesnick? Whatever? And I give my 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.119 two cents, but like they would go, you know, I 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.880 could tell them a thousand because there's a lot of bachelor's. 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:24.760 This is why I know it's not true. There's a 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.480