Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast Cherlbert.
Speaker 1: Can we start the show?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Can we start the most dramatic podcast? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we are on the road.
Speaker 2: That name up?
Speaker 1: Actually, I did not make the name up, Amy Sugarman.
Speaker 1: One of our producers made that name up.
Speaker 2: It's almost as long as sex, Lies and Spray Tans.
Speaker 2: And yes, I just dropped my own podcast.
Speaker 1: We are less than a minute. I know this, And
Speaker 1: you just dropped the name of your podcast on top
Speaker 1: of my podcast. Okay, Sex Lies and spray Tans. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's the podcast.
Speaker 2: I definitely don't have one right now, Noli Tan. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to show you because it's embarrassing. My laser transparent.
Speaker 2: I look like Casper the Friendly Ghosts.
Speaker 1: You look like an iPhone on in the dark.
Speaker 2: Like Tom.
Speaker 1: Tom, Tom, don't don't mess with Pasty Tom Burser good.
Speaker 1: I love Tommy. You love Tom?
Speaker 2: Yes, and he loves you. We just interviewed I just
Speaker 2: interviewed him, so you did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was so funny. He was I know if
Speaker 1: I told you that story like he we were kind
Speaker 1: of the two hosts at ABC. He's obviously tenured and
Speaker 1: had been there a lot longer, and I was he
Speaker 1: had done Miss America. I was taking over Miss America
Speaker 1: the next year. I hadn't met Tom and I met
Speaker 1: him at this Disney thing. Remember back in the day
Speaker 1: we used to do Primetime twenty three. Yeah, we used
Speaker 1: to go down into Primetime Disney previews and we'd go down.
Speaker 2: To dance a little yeah, good free guide. You know.
Speaker 1: It was so fun back in the day. We'd be
Speaker 1: down at Disney doing these events and it was, you know,
Speaker 1: Dennis Franz, John Ritter, Belushi was there for made some
Speaker 1: you know, goofy.
Speaker 2: According to Jail, I don't even know who you're saying
Speaker 2: right now, that's how sheltered of a life that it was.
Speaker 1: I loved it. It was like it was we had
Speaker 1: such good stars back then.
Speaker 2: No, we really did. I mean we also had free
Speaker 2: the stars. We had guys like we didn't have to
Speaker 2: wait in lines now there they refuse.
Speaker 1: They would give you the plaid jacket person who would
Speaker 1: put you to the front. And I had kids, so
Speaker 1: I had these little kids who had just born. Some
Speaker 1: my kids were born into Disney. We would go to
Speaker 1: Disney and yeah, oh so spoiled, and so the worst
Speaker 1: part is the best part. These plaid jacket people take
Speaker 1: you through the exit and then you walk right to
Speaker 1: the front and you know of Magic Mountain or whatever
Speaker 1: it is, Space Mountain, and you feel the glare of
Speaker 1: the people on the other side of the turnstile who've
Speaker 1: been waiting in line for an hour, and you just
Speaker 1: teach your kids like, don't look, don't look directly at anybody,
Speaker 1: don't look, just keep your heads down, feeling we're going
Speaker 1: to get on the ride and we're just gonna pretend
Speaker 1: like this never happened.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's the worst though.
Speaker 1: But I didn't feel so bad that I didn't take
Speaker 1: advantage of it because multiple times, Yeah, we did Disney World.
Speaker 1: I did Disney. I did a Disney cruise.
Speaker 2: Same. I got the hell out of that, though fast.
Speaker 2: I was like, we stopped at Florida and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not going, I'm not on boarding, I'm not a.
Speaker 1: And my son actually looked at me one day said Dad,
Speaker 1: we're not cruisers. And he was young at the time,
Speaker 1: and he's right, we're not cruisers yet You're right. As
Speaker 1: I get older, I.
Speaker 3: Will be there cruising through a last and I'd be that.
Speaker 2: Girl dancing as part of the show, Lauren, look at
Speaker 2: the salmon.
Speaker 1: They're running up the stream.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that's my voice when I get older,
Speaker 1: but that's what's going to happen to me. This show
Speaker 1: is turned into a train wreck already.
Speaker 2: That is my middle name. I'm kidding. I have to
Speaker 2: be nice to myself, supposedly therapist.
Speaker 3: What year did you start dancing in general?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 2: Oh, two thousand and six, okay, season two? So I
Speaker 2: twenty one, two thousand yes, yes, you were a baby.
Speaker 1: When I met you.
Speaker 2: I was twenty one, not a baby. I was legal.
Speaker 2: More than legal. I was like I was able to drink.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of underage you know.
Speaker 1: You know at the time on dancing they really weren't young,
Speaker 1: and it's like you were as young as it got, right, Totally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like they did. Weren't bringing in the child actors,
Speaker 1: right or like the child pros dancing so much as
Speaker 1: producers they prey on and use the sexuality so much.
Speaker 1: That's such a huge part.
Speaker 2: It still Disney friendly.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that Dancing with the Stars was
Speaker 1: ever Disney friendly? It's never been Disney because you haven't Disney.
Speaker 2: Can see inside people's organs. Yeah, when they do the
Speaker 2: splits in those little tiny costumes, it's.
Speaker 1: Like, how how when I got rid of the Bachelor World.
Speaker 1: It's something I've been a part of for twenty years.
Speaker 1: So again, it's not positive or negative. It just is
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 2: Was the grieving process though there you do, it's you
Speaker 2: go through. It was yours.
Speaker 1: It was difficult because mine was you know, obviously I
Speaker 1: don't know if you heard it was a bit of
Speaker 1: a show. It got a little traumatic, and it was
Speaker 1: kind of public.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of kind of yep, considering I don't watch
Speaker 2: TV and I still heard about it like that is
Speaker 2: you know, you know that you're like huge.
Speaker 1: Then mine went very public. It got very nasty and
Speaker 1: got litigious and contentious and all those things.
Speaker 2: But how did you like, was it a shock to
Speaker 2: the system.
Speaker 1: It was a big traumatic experience. Because I've been doing
Speaker 1: except for twenty years. I kind of thought I was
Speaker 1: probably going to continue on for a little bit longer. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I started to think about, okay, what's nexting and moving
Speaker 1: away from the show, but it wasn't time yet.
Speaker 2: And many seasons did you do.
Speaker 1: I did. I don't know how many seasons. I'm terrible
Speaker 1: about that. I did twenty years here you don't know. Well, actually,
Speaker 1: here's the problem. I did nineteen and a half years.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get to twenty. I was my thing
Speaker 1: was when I get to twenty years, I'm probably going
Speaker 1: to step away. I'll figure out what this is. But obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, nobody gets to leave typically on their own accord.
Speaker 2: I mean I did.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Disney life, Life's not a Disney movie? Is
Speaker 1: that how you left? Did you you decided to leave? No?
Speaker 2: I decided, Well, this is what I decided that I
Speaker 2: no longer want to be a pro dancer. Okay, but
Speaker 2: you know I also want.
Speaker 3: To evolve and be host or judge.
Speaker 2: Right, wouldn't that be natural? Like you would think, right,
Speaker 2: one of the biggest I've been the longest, I've been there,
Speaker 2: the longest.
Speaker 1: You're one of the biggest stars to have ever come
Speaker 1: through that.
Speaker 2: Show, regardless of star. I mean, it's just like it's
Speaker 2: hard for me to separate the business and the personal
Speaker 2: because like, these people are my family, and yeah, but
Speaker 2: they're not but they're not right. Yeah, But what's so
Speaker 2: hard is that like they've seen me my most vulnerable right. So, God,
Speaker 2: there's so much I want to say, but I just
Speaker 2: the difficult thing is my mouth.
Speaker 1: You do when you when you work, and this is
Speaker 1: not necessarily a knock on ABC or Disney or Warner
Speaker 1: who I worked for, but partly what they want you
Speaker 1: to do as an employee. And this is if I
Speaker 1: own a big company, I would want you to feel
Speaker 1: like you're a big of a big part, big happy family.
Speaker 1: You're a part of that. You're replaceable that, yes, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't get too comfortable because you're replaceable. But hey,
Speaker 1: we want you to sacrifice everything. You wanted to walk
Speaker 1: away from professional.
Speaker 2: Dancing because Okay, first of all, I've been saying it
Speaker 2: for a while, but also like I just as an
Speaker 2: artist honestly just looking at like my potential and wanting
Speaker 2: to just grow. Like for me, this whole last year
Speaker 2: or two years, you know, since my separation and divorce
Speaker 2: and everything has been a huge growth growth in my life,
Speaker 2: just like growing period where I just want to evolve
Speaker 2: and I can't walk away from my marriage and then
Speaker 2: walk away and not walk away from the show, because
Speaker 2: it's it's all similar, right, it's all coming from the
Speaker 2: same I guess need of wanting to evolve. And if
Speaker 2: that's with you, great, If it's not, great, but I'm
Speaker 2: moving on.
Speaker 1: And so I'm going to guess, well, you wanted to stay.
Speaker 1: You wanted to stay.
Speaker 3: I wanted to stay a whole job title, yes, as
Speaker 3: a host or judge.
Speaker 2: And they knew very much that I was wanting this
Speaker 2: for many years.
Speaker 1: My guess, I'm going to go out on a limb
Speaker 1: knowing the executives and especially the executive you were dealing with.
Speaker 1: My guess, promises were.
Speaker 2: Made absolutely for many years.
Speaker 1: So promises were made to Cheryl Burke many times over.
Speaker 1: I know they were made to you about the Bachelor
Speaker 1: and Bachelorette and being on that show.
Speaker 2: You're still talking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: So I'm heard you walk that. Did you not know?
Speaker 2: Oh I thought you did that.
Speaker 1: They put that on me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I have that much power, someone said to you,
Speaker 1: I have the power to decide to bachelor bache att.
Speaker 2: No, I think they blamed it on you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's funny. But it's also the beast that we
Speaker 1: work for, right Why it's Hollywood, it's this business. They
Speaker 1: because they are just as scared. You know, everybody has
Speaker 1: a boss and those people are scared to death, and
Speaker 1: so it's just yeah, and so they look. They love
Speaker 1: being around the talent, they love being around the stars,
Speaker 1: and they they love to make promises, right, they get
Speaker 1: to walk in the room, they get to be the
Speaker 1: star of that room full of stars.
Speaker 2: And I think they really love to make promises that
Speaker 2: they can't keep, Like, I don't think I could do
Speaker 2: that as a human being.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if they necessarily love that, Like
Speaker 1: they don't love lying, they love control. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: know if they even necessarily know they do it. I
Speaker 1: think it is almost a you walk in a room
Speaker 1: full of stars and all of a sudden, you are
Speaker 1: the star like all these people, all the dancers. When
Speaker 1: this person walks in and goes, oh, hey, you know I
Speaker 1: don't yeah, and like hey, and so you walk in
Speaker 1: and everyone knows this person and he's actually popped right
Speaker 1: right in that moment or she, whoever the executive is
Speaker 1: at that time. And yeah, they're going to make promises
Speaker 1: to you because it makes you happy. They're just saying
Speaker 1: things to placate you and make you happy because they
Speaker 1: need to get you to want to sacrifice. If I
Speaker 1: tell Cheryl, hey, you're going to be host or judge,
Speaker 1: trust me, like everybody loves you. You're going places, I'll
Speaker 1: take care of you. You're going to dance in your
Speaker 1: living room when you have COVID, You're going to come
Speaker 1: in and I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to interrupt you. I think this is why I
Speaker 2: started to speak up for myself. Right. Whether you want
Speaker 2: to call it a woman with an opinion or somebody
Speaker 2: who is egotistical and narcissistic, it's neither. It's just the
Speaker 2: fact that I was learning the bullshit, yeah, and I
Speaker 2: was so tired of it now. I was tired of
Speaker 2: going through William Morris, my agent, who was basically calling
Speaker 2: them out like it was exactly what you had said,
Speaker 2: and then it was like put it in writing, right,
Speaker 2: it didn't happen.
Speaker 3: Right, I left.
Speaker 1: Or they'll even say they will, like, oh yeah we will,
Speaker 1: we will, but you can't, but like, but then you don't, yeah,
Speaker 1: And then they never do.
Speaker 2: And then I have another offer at another network, NBC,
Speaker 2: and so then I'm going to go there, and then
Speaker 2: I come back and then I feel like I've been
Speaker 2: punished ever since.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. They you know, I stepped out
Speaker 1: a lot and did other shows, and if I did Millionaire,
Speaker 1: if I did Miss America, and I took another gig
Speaker 1: outside the Bachelor, it's like I would come back home
Speaker 1: and be punished. It was, and it really is like
Speaker 1: a relationship where it's as if I had stepped out gaslighting.
Speaker 1: It's well, it's as if I stepped out on my
Speaker 1: my lover. It's like I went out and was kind
Speaker 1: of hitting on it. I was flirting and I was
Speaker 1: hitting on other people. And I come home and I
Speaker 1: smell like someone else's perfume, and they get they get
Speaker 1: very jealous and protective.
Speaker 2: They don't say it, they don't communicate it.
Speaker 1: No, there's they'll they'll do things like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you'll have a co host or someone will be like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're taking off this, or yeah it's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I think we want you have.
Speaker 2: The worst celebrity ever. Or you'll be in the back
Speaker 2: of the group numbers you're like, what the hell? What?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what? There's always ways for them to kind of
Speaker 1: put their their thumbprint on you. But it is it's
Speaker 1: a it's a power grab and it's our industry is
Speaker 1: not any different than other businesses who do this. But
Speaker 1: we live in this world and it's it's Laura and
Speaker 1: I discussed this a lot. When you're doing something in
Speaker 1: the arts, and we are, you can't take yourself out
Speaker 1: of it. It's emotional, you're dancing. Your soul is in this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's how we communicate. And when I'm hosting or whatever,
Speaker 1: that's that's me. And so you can't say it's not
Speaker 1: personal because for us, everything we're doing is personal.
Speaker 2: And by the way, it is to them too, like
Speaker 2: I don't care. Yes, maybe they're better at it because
Speaker 2: they're the ones in control, but don't tell me it's
Speaker 2: not It doesn't come from an emotion in their body
Speaker 2: that's being triggered. Right, So basically, but we're still because
Speaker 2: we you know, we don't have our own network yet yet.
Speaker 1: How did you find out officially when you weren't going
Speaker 1: to be hosting or.
Speaker 2: I mean back, okay, so much I want to say,
Speaker 2: was this.
Speaker 1: The Tyra's situation?
Speaker 2: No, this was I mean, this would be so controversial
Speaker 2: even before Tyra, like when Tom was still.
Speaker 1: They were looking for a new co host with Tom.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't, but you could you get Andrews?
Speaker 1: Was it Aaron? Was she ever co host? Am I
Speaker 1: making this? Okay?
Speaker 2: So it was if you actually I mean you could
Speaker 2: just talked about you coming in. Well nope, but like
Speaker 2: on the d like nobody knows. And this was right
Speaker 2: when my contract of like one hundred years finally finished,
Speaker 2: right like it was like done. And then I at
Speaker 2: the time it was Paul to leg D who remember Paul. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he was running this unscripted over at NBC and
Speaker 2: had this show for me called I Can Do That
Speaker 2: with Colschure Zinger, Joe Jonas Sierra and it just sounded
Speaker 2: fun because it was like, okay, but here you are
Speaker 2: promising me the world, and I said I would stay
Speaker 2: if you put it in writing, if you.
Speaker 1: Put it in a contract.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just one on one, like come on.
Speaker 2: And then they say at the last second no, And
Speaker 2: then of course, you know, Paul's so excited. He goes,
Speaker 2: this is gonna be huge. I'm stealing you from a
Speaker 2: show that I used to work at, and from like
Speaker 2: you've been so heavily like you know, he fed off
Speaker 2: this shit and for me, I'm scared, like I'm literally scared,
Speaker 2: but I'm also trying to put me first. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, I only know Dancing with the Stars
Speaker 2: that was the heart like one of the hardest decisions
Speaker 2: of my life because it's like, I want to believe
Speaker 2: you right, but let's just be real, I also have
Speaker 2: to believe.
Speaker 1: I want to believe that you guys will actually do
Speaker 1: the right thing, because you do feel like a family.
Speaker 2: You feel like these I'm almost like I'm stupid, Like
Speaker 2: how are you going to convince somebody that you're you're
Speaker 2: promising them the world and you're not going to put
Speaker 2: it in writing like that is insanity?
Speaker 1: Like you at dancing you're just Sheryl Burke, Yes, period,
Speaker 1: just this woman who's living her life, your emotions and you.
Speaker 2: This is you and that was my identity was And.
Speaker 1: They are massive, you know, the two biggest I was
Speaker 1: dealing with two of the biggest studios in the world.
Speaker 1: And you're a rounding air. You're not even a rounding
Speaker 1: air in their mind.
Speaker 2: What's that meaning?
Speaker 1: You're you're worrying consequential? Oh you know, did me leaving
Speaker 1: the show heard it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Of course, like Tom run right.
Speaker 1: When Tom left Dancing with the Stars, he didn't leave it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well he was. Yeah, that got messy and I need
Speaker 1: to ask Tom on because it's that was crazy to me.
Speaker 2: I mean, I made him a two parter in my
Speaker 2: new podcast. Since you're not going to promote it sex
Speaker 2: Lies and spray tanks.
Speaker 1: You're doing Wait, you're doing a podcast, shut up my
Speaker 1: third podcast.
Speaker 2: If this doesn't work, I don't know what will.
Speaker 1: It's on iHeart Radio. You can find sex lies and videotapes.
Speaker 2: Where videotapes and vhs tap.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that movie Rob good one, Sex Lies
Speaker 1: and spray tans?
Speaker 2: Yes, the summary of what let's talk.
Speaker 1: About like that? Because you are pissing everybody else.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm not.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny when you kind of break away
Speaker 1: and you get it's like any relationships, you start to
Speaker 1: get perspective. Yeah, you get your power back, you get
Speaker 1: your voice back.
Speaker 2: Well, I haven't gotten there yet, you will. I mean,
Speaker 2: I believe my voice is definitely loud and clear. However,
Speaker 2: the repercussions still make me feel a certain way.
Speaker 1: They scary. It's scary.
Speaker 2: It's that scary. It's more like empty because it's so
Speaker 2: interesting how I define. I mean, it's not that interesting.
Speaker 2: It's all I mean, it is interesting. I defined myself
Speaker 2: by dancing, literally by what place did I get? This
Speaker 2: last season? Was was how I was holding myself in public,
Speaker 2: like whether I was confident or not. Now if I was,
Speaker 2: if I won, then you know I'm feeling great, Like
Speaker 2: it's so interesting just to dissect that time of my
Speaker 2: life at seventeen years of my life.
Speaker 1: You know, well, what's and again this is an actual
Speaker 1: plus we're dancing with the star, seeing we're saying good
Speaker 1: things that if people think these answers don't care and
Speaker 1: it's not competitive, you're crazy. Like you know, I remember
Speaker 1: back in the day I was friends with Mark ballas
Speaker 1: I was friends with you Maxim. All these guys, trust me,
Speaker 1: they want to effing win, Like I remember you, well, no,
Speaker 1: but you want to win the competition. You want to dance, well,
Speaker 1: you want good score, you wanted to win.
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, no, no, you didn't want to win. It's
Speaker 2: those boys you were talking about. Now they have a
Speaker 2: different it's more like a competition between them. But for honestly,
Speaker 2: for me it I think I won back in nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty two, and I was the most successful when it
Speaker 2: wasn't when I didn't make it about me. And then
Speaker 2: when I started getting a little selfish, oh, then it
Speaker 2: started to work against me.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And then when I became sober, I had a whole
Speaker 2: new perspective on this whole show.
Speaker 1: You've been sober for five years, which I love. Congratulations.
Speaker 2: So they told me that you said the reason why
Speaker 2: they said that I didn't get to do the Bachelor
Speaker 2: Bachelorette because Chris Harrison said that you're a sloppy drunk.
Speaker 1: That's so funny, and you know, it's great here, this
Speaker 1: is what's beautiful. We can talk about this they in public.
Speaker 1: They would never give me that kind of power to
Speaker 1: decide who the Bachelor Bacherette is. Yeah, I mean Mike
Speaker 1: would ask me, or you know, or somebody would ask like, hey,
Speaker 1: like what do you think about Emily Maynard, what do
Speaker 1: you think about Jason Mesnick? Whatever? And I give my
Speaker 1: two cents, but like they would go, you know, I
Speaker 1: could tell them a thousand because there's a lot of bachelor's.
Speaker 1: This is why I know it's not true. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of bachelor's and bacherettes. And I won't say anybody
Speaker 1: specific that I didn't think. Well, I will give you
Speaker 1: one Sean Low, because he turned out to be a
Speaker 1: good friend and he's great.
Speaker 2: I I he's still married.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's still married. He's he's our only he's
Speaker 1: our only success story. They really hang their hat on
Speaker 1: Sean Low. I think of the Bachelor's he's it interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean already ended up kind of dating, breaking up
Speaker 1: and dating and getting married. And then Jason Mesnick did
Speaker 1: the same thing. So I remember season one.
Speaker 2: With Kelly Moniko.
Speaker 1: I wasn't there no Trista.
Speaker 2: Oh, I just interviewed her on sex, lies and spray
Speaker 2: hands anywhere you see.
Speaker 1: You know the trivia question the first person ever booted
Speaker 1: Offdancing with the Stars.
Speaker 2: It's called the Dancing with the Stars curse because of
Speaker 2: your your old franchise that you were a part of.
Speaker 1: Why because everyone started hooking up with the dancers.
Speaker 2: So it was it's literally well not, I mean that's
Speaker 2: very general of you to say, but not everyone was
Speaker 2: hooking up with all the dancers.
Speaker 1: You could feel it on the dance floor. I remember
Speaker 1: when Trista came on the show, and that kind of
Speaker 1: started this thing. And then it was like every bachelor bacherette.
Speaker 3: Became a Dancing with the Stars. Was that a dancing
Speaker 3: Was that a good thing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Was it? Clearly that was a bad thing.
Speaker 2: No, I know.
Speaker 1: I always thought like it kind of helped promote they
Speaker 1: were trying to do this synergy thing.
Speaker 2: It's interesting what you're saying right now, because, like you know,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, with this podcast, like
Speaker 2: the amount of people that you also know that are
Speaker 2: assuming things without hearing the fucking podcast is killing me.
Speaker 2: But it's because they don't want to hear it. It's
Speaker 2: because they want to feel this way and they want
Speaker 2: to feel validated.
Speaker 1: I think I have to send it to them.
Speaker 2: I'm already you offered to send what.
Speaker 1: The podcast because they were so they were so scared
Speaker 1: about the podcast, and so I said, well just listen.
Speaker 2: And then you know, they're like the title. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: what do you expect? Should I call it Dancing with
Speaker 2: the Stars? Reviews like, I mean, right, you're making money
Speaker 2: off me, and vice versa.
Speaker 1: It is a powerful thing when you realize that they
Speaker 1: don't own you and you get.
Speaker 2: Your voice, realize that you're never going to get that
Speaker 2: seat at the judges table that you deserve.
Speaker 1: They were just dangling it in front of you. Anyway.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, and here I am cha cha chaying up
Speaker 2: until thirty nine? Need two hip replacements?
Speaker 1: Do you really need two hip replacements?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: For sure? Wow, I have arthritis everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure. I hope you'll keep rolling with the podcast.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm rolling with bells and whistles on and lots
Speaker 2: of fringe and lashes and spray tands and sex and lies.
Speaker 1: I love it. Talk about the sex, talk about the relationships.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like it's not like she all
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: It's crazier. Brooke Burke was just on and all.
Speaker 1: She admitted all that. All.
Speaker 2: She admitted I would have had a who the that
Speaker 2: is so Disney friendly what she said. And people are
Speaker 2: saying you wore like how dare you? Yes? People are
Speaker 2: like being so.
Speaker 1: Every party Derrek Hoff ever walked into in Hollywood, his
Speaker 1: shirt was off within four minutes.
Speaker 2: And he was like just spinning with that haircut. Is
Speaker 2: just like so talented. By the way, talent. You get
Speaker 2: a little bit of my talent.
Speaker 1: If I had those as, I would have taken my
Speaker 1: shirt off to.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just jealous the same My job is
Speaker 2: not I'm not trying to manipulate the interview and say ooh,
Speaker 2: you know, no, I'm not. This is all new to me.
Speaker 2: I'm not one to interview, as you know, I don't
Speaker 2: have that much experience with it. I'm literally just having
Speaker 2: a conversation with my friends who feel comfortable enough to
Speaker 2: open up to me, and we just happen to just
Speaker 2: you know, get some good show.
Speaker 1: Well that's the beauty that That is the beauty of
Speaker 1: the podcast. It's the beauty of the long form. Is
Speaker 1: that you get to talk, you get to say your piece.
Speaker 1: It's never it will never end up. I mean, like
Speaker 1: I would never do GMA or a GMA type show
Speaker 1: again because why would you Why would anybody go on
Speaker 1: to a show like that where they have complete control
Speaker 1: of editing and can cut you down. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know how many times I went to GMA, flew
Speaker 1: to New York, spend you know, on the Red Eye.
Speaker 1: You get there at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 2: At night, try putting on a dance costume, Chris, and
Speaker 2: then you.
Speaker 1: Get up after an hour's sleep, and you got to
Speaker 1: get up at five in the morning. And do you
Speaker 1: know I remember, like Sage Steele went on and I
Speaker 1: were to go in and doing doing Miss America. We
Speaker 1: literally went on for like forty seconds and then they
Speaker 1: go off and I'm like, I just finish, And so
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would ever go on those
Speaker 1: shows again, Like why.
Speaker 2: Because I but but we're different, because like you have
Speaker 2: done what you wanted to do. Like I feel like
Speaker 2: I haven't started yet and I've only just begun.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. You have now this voice in
Speaker 1: this podcast, you can say everything you want in long form.
Speaker 1: I know you're still going to get pressed, trust me, No,
Speaker 1: I'm already.
Speaker 2: A press side. I'm just worried I'm never going to
Speaker 2: get hired to go.
Speaker 1: They're chasing you now. Well you're now more hirable than
Speaker 1: you can what You're now more hirable than Eve.
Speaker 2: I mean, as far as I'm concerned, Like, I have
Speaker 2: a lot to say, and honestly so does Trista Sutter.
Speaker 2: Like the fact that she was the first eliminated celebrity
Speaker 2: and we still had an hour long conversation because she
Speaker 2: had all these feelings and she needed to talk to
Speaker 2: somebody who understood what she was saying, and the fact
Speaker 2: that she had closure. She can actually close that chapter.
Speaker 2: I swear to God, it's so emotional and it's so
Speaker 2: insane because you're like, wait, it's just a fucking dann show. No,
Speaker 2: it's not like Heather, you know from Glee. She's just
Speaker 2: like I got eliminated for ratings. That's it. I'm saying it.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: James Vanderbeek was pretty open about his season two who
Speaker 1: people get pissed because I felt kind of guilty and
Speaker 1: bad because.
Speaker 2: You do the show.
Speaker 1: Don't ever do it dancing? Oh god, no, I almost.
Speaker 1: I almost hosted it one time.
Speaker 2: Oh is that after before Tom?
Speaker 1: It was to help Tom because Tom was having a
Speaker 1: family emergency and they ABC called me in the middle
Speaker 1: of the day Sunday and said, can you please show up.
Speaker 1: I was there at the table read in case Tom
Speaker 1: didn't show up because we weren't sure how bad the
Speaker 1: emergency was.
Speaker 3: You were there, I think, and he was like, no, no,
Speaker 3: Tom knew I was there.
Speaker 2: Oh no.
Speaker 1: I was doing as a favor for Tom to take
Speaker 1: his job. Oh no, no, no, no no. I was
Speaker 1: doing Bachelor and Bachelor's crushing it. They just needed someone
Speaker 1: who could definitely come in a post. No, this is
Speaker 1: a total favor, And I actually went to the show
Speaker 1: that Monday night, Tom walked right over to me, gave
Speaker 1: me a hug and said, thank you for doing what
Speaker 1: you did, because part of the promise was that I
Speaker 1: would never speak of it while we were like during
Speaker 1: the season and like nobody knew and I just disappeared.
Speaker 2: I never knew it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so which I just did it as a
Speaker 1: yeah and honestly did as a favorite to the executives.
Speaker 1: The executives called me, hey, buddy, will you do this.
Speaker 1: You're not going to get paid, You're not going to
Speaker 1: probably ever do it. And I said, sure. You know,
Speaker 1: you know I'm a team player totally, because you think
Speaker 1: you're part of the family.
Speaker 2: I know I've sacrificed. I mean it's been a choice
Speaker 2: of mine, like I've chosen to have you know, the
Speaker 2: show consume my life, and I really there's so many
Speaker 2: great moments. I mean, honestly, I wouldn't be sitting here
Speaker 2: with you today, you know the whole spiel. But there's
Speaker 2: also a time too for me where I had to
Speaker 2: take a step back and just say, okay, am I
Speaker 2: still am I able to look at myself in the
Speaker 2: mirror and like the person I see because like was
Speaker 2: I treated Okay, yes, but there I know I deserve more.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's not more money. I'm not saying more money.
Speaker 2: I'm saying I know I deserved to be believed in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's not like I'm not capable.
Speaker 1: Maybe in moments respected a lot more. We won't get into.
Speaker 2: That, so I won't to Aretha Franklin song r E
Speaker 2: s PC tea commercial.
Speaker 1: And so the point I've taken out of so many
Speaker 1: of these podcasts is multiple things can be true at once.
Speaker 2: It's it's true, it is true.
Speaker 1: We all things get so black and white. It's like
Speaker 1: you're this, You're you're a villain, You're not. It's I
Speaker 1: hate dancing. I loved it. It's like that's it's not true.
Speaker 1: I can feel blessed about The Bachelor. I'll take it
Speaker 1: on me. I can feel blessed I did that show.
Speaker 1: It changed my life, it changed my kids' lives. There
Speaker 1: can be things I'm not happy with. There's people I'm
Speaker 1: not happy with in moments in those twenty years. It's
Speaker 1: impossible that it was perfect.
Speaker 2: There's no such thing anyway, such thing. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: think that because it's still kind of a fresh wound
Speaker 2: for me. Yeah, in a way. It's like I think
Speaker 2: a lot of entertainers are in this business because they
Speaker 2: look for validation, right in general, like if you really
Speaker 2: were to just dig deep, and we want that, especially
Speaker 2: from the people who hired us. And there's still a
Speaker 2: lot of those people that I basically moved from Harlem
Speaker 2: to la and I considered, you know, whatever they thought
Speaker 2: of me or however I placed. Like I said earlier,
Speaker 2: was my way of identifying myself. And it's sad. But
Speaker 2: then when it's gone, and not only was it just
Speaker 2: the show, but it said divorce, it's also you know,
Speaker 2: I just decided to do it all at once.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the band is, you know what, my entire life.
Speaker 2: In one year, they move out of the house. Sixteen years,
Speaker 2: just divorce and then I'm the worst divorce of all
Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 1: You know, just leave the just leave, yeah, just blow
Speaker 1: it all up.
Speaker 2: But I'm so happy I did, honestly because I think
Speaker 2: that I'm glad you see it that a lot of
Speaker 2: love and respect for myself that I never had.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask if because I've stepped away,
Speaker 1: and as I've gotten away, I realized it was a
Speaker 1: blessing and it's it's my life is so much better
Speaker 1: and I found love and I'm going to get married.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if all that stuff would have
Speaker 1: happened if I was still on the road grinding out
Speaker 1: and dealing with the crap I had been dealing with. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so in a lot of ways, it's a blessing.
Speaker 1: And I hope you if you haven't found that piece,
Speaker 1: I hope you do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will. I'm on the road to it. Like
Speaker 2: I think it's hard to sometimes, especially with a podcast.
Speaker 2: I mean, in a way, would you have done a
Speaker 2: podcast about the Bachelor Bachelorette franchise right after?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, people and people wanted me to. People ask me,
Speaker 1: iheard asked me. I'm sure, And it's like, and I
Speaker 1: don't watch the show. I don't. It wasn't, you know,
Speaker 1: And it's not for any other reason other than it's
Speaker 1: not really my jam anyway, right, But of course I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna go watch it's like my It's like I like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go watch my ex girlfriend date somebody. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm doing this right now as we speak. But
Speaker 2: I love the like I do love dance, right, So
Speaker 2: it's not like it's just you know though, I would
Speaker 2: I just pitched this to uh, the president of Unscripted
Speaker 2: at Netflix. I would do Love is Blind in two
Speaker 2: seconds if they did a celebrity version.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, I like that right, But.
Speaker 2: There's two rules. One you can't talk about the career
Speaker 2: obviously that you're a part of. And two obviously appearances. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and if you do buying yourself another Love is Blinder.
Speaker 1: So that's where we're gonna see Cheryl just.
Speaker 2: Blind walking around trying to find my match. Have you
Speaker 2: done mass singer yet? They've asked me, you need to
Speaker 2: have Tom on your podcast to you know what.
Speaker 1: I will have Tom because there's I heard a lot
Speaker 1: of things about Tom and I knew Tom and I
Speaker 1: love Tom. Before we get to that, Okay, can we
Speaker 1: wrap this up? I mean, here's the thing said. I
Speaker 1: always say I like a good, clean beginning and a
Speaker 1: clean ending on these shows. We completely blew up the
Speaker 1: beginning of the show. It was a disaster. I'm not
Speaker 1: even sure people knew Cheryl Burke was on the show.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know we started the interview. Can we
Speaker 2: start again?
Speaker 1: And now we're crashing and burning to end this show?
Speaker 1: And that's the way it should be. Cheryl, thank you
Speaker 1: for being here for this absolute dumpster fire of a show.
Speaker 1: In all seriousness, I love you. You're a dear friend too.
Speaker 1: I've known you for quite a long time and we've
Speaker 1: been through the battles together and I'm glad to see
Speaker 1: you healthy, sober, kicking.
Speaker 3: Ass Asian Oprah is my name, Asian Oprah. I have
Speaker 3: not heard that agent, but Asian No, I understood what
Speaker 3: you're saying.
Speaker 1: OK, gotcha. That's a great note to end on. Thanks
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