1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast Cherlbert. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Can we start the show? 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 2: Sure? 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: Can we start the most dramatic podcast? Oh my god, 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: we are on the road. 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: That name up? 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Actually, I did not make the name up, Amy Sugarman. 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: One of our producers made that name up. 9 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: It's almost as long as sex, Lies and Spray Tans. 10 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 2: And yes, I just dropped my own podcast. 11 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: We are less than a minute. I know this, And 12 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: you just dropped the name of your podcast on top 13 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: of my podcast. Okay, Sex Lies and spray Tans. Yes, 14 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: that's the podcast. 15 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: I definitely don't have one right now, Noli Tan. I'm 16 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: not going to show you because it's embarrassing. My laser transparent. 17 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: I look like Casper the Friendly Ghosts. 18 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: You look like an iPhone on in the dark. 19 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: Like Tom. 20 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: Tom, Tom, don't don't mess with Pasty Tom Burser good. 21 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: I love Tommy. You love Tom? 22 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: Yes, and he loves you. We just interviewed I just 23 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: interviewed him, so you did. 24 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was so funny. He was I know if 25 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: I told you that story like he we were kind 26 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: of the two hosts at ABC. He's obviously tenured and 27 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: had been there a lot longer, and I was he 28 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: had done Miss America. I was taking over Miss America 29 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: the next year. I hadn't met Tom and I met 30 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: him at this Disney thing. Remember back in the day 31 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: we used to do Primetime twenty three. Yeah, we used 32 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: to go down into Primetime Disney previews and we'd go down. 33 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: To dance a little yeah, good free guide. You know. 34 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: It was so fun back in the day. We'd be 35 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: down at Disney doing these events and it was, you know, 36 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: Dennis Franz, John Ritter, Belushi was there for made some 37 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, goofy. 38 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: According to Jail, I don't even know who you're saying 39 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: right now, that's how sheltered of a life that it was. 40 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: I loved it. It was like it was we had 41 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: such good stars back then. 42 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: No, we really did. I mean we also had free 43 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: the stars. We had guys like we didn't have to 44 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: wait in lines now there they refuse. 45 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: They would give you the plaid jacket person who would 46 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: put you to the front. And I had kids, so 47 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: I had these little kids who had just born. Some 48 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: my kids were born into Disney. We would go to 49 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: Disney and yeah, oh so spoiled, and so the worst 50 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: part is the best part. These plaid jacket people take 51 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: you through the exit and then you walk right to 52 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: the front and you know of Magic Mountain or whatever 53 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: it is, Space Mountain, and you feel the glare of 54 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: the people on the other side of the turnstile who've 55 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: been waiting in line for an hour, and you just 56 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: teach your kids like, don't look, don't look directly at anybody, 57 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: don't look, just keep your heads down, feeling we're going 58 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: to get on the ride and we're just gonna pretend 59 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: like this never happened. 60 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: Oh, that's the worst though. 61 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: But I didn't feel so bad that I didn't take 62 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: advantage of it because multiple times, Yeah, we did Disney World. 63 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: I did Disney. I did a Disney cruise. 64 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 2: Same. I got the hell out of that, though fast. 65 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: I was like, we stopped at Florida and I was like, 66 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: I'm not going, I'm not on boarding, I'm not a. 67 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: And my son actually looked at me one day said Dad, 68 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: we're not cruisers. And he was young at the time, 69 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: and he's right, we're not cruisers yet You're right. As 70 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: I get older, I. 71 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 3: Will be there cruising through a last and I'd be that. 72 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: Girl dancing as part of the show, Lauren, look at 73 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: the salmon. 74 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: They're running up the stream. 75 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: Totally. 76 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: I don't know why that's my voice when I get older, 77 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: but that's what's going to happen to me. This show 78 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: is turned into a train wreck already. 79 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: That is my middle name. I'm kidding. I have to 80 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 2: be nice to myself, supposedly therapist. 81 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 3: What year did you start dancing in general? 82 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: No? 83 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: No, Dancing with the Stars. 84 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: Oh, two thousand and six, okay, season two? So I 85 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: twenty one, two thousand yes, yes, you were a baby. 86 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: When I met you. 87 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: I was twenty one, not a baby. I was legal. 88 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: More than legal. I was like I was able to drink. 89 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: There was a lot of underage you know. 90 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: You know at the time on dancing they really weren't young, 91 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: and it's like you were as young as it got, right, Totally. Yeah, 92 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't like they did. Weren't bringing in the child actors, 93 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: right or like the child pros dancing so much as 94 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: producers they prey on and use the sexuality so much. 95 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: That's such a huge part. 96 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: It still Disney friendly. 97 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: Why do you think that Dancing with the Stars was 98 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: ever Disney friendly? It's never been Disney because you haven't Disney. 99 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: Can see inside people's organs. Yeah, when they do the 100 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: splits in those little tiny costumes, it's. 101 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: Like, how how when I got rid of the Bachelor World. 102 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: It's something I've been a part of for twenty years. 103 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: So again, it's not positive or negative. It just is 104 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: what it is. 105 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 2: Was the grieving process though there you do, it's you 106 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: go through. It was yours. 107 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: It was difficult because mine was you know, obviously I 108 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: don't know if you heard it was a bit of 109 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: a show. It got a little traumatic, and it was 110 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: kind of public. 111 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of kind of yep, considering I don't watch 112 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: TV and I still heard about it like that is 113 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: you know, you know that you're like huge. 114 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: Then mine went very public. It got very nasty and 115 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: got litigious and contentious and all those things. 116 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: But how did you like, was it a shock to 117 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 2: the system. 118 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: It was a big traumatic experience. Because I've been doing 119 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: except for twenty years. I kind of thought I was 120 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: probably going to continue on for a little bit longer. Anyway, 121 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: I started to think about, okay, what's nexting and moving 122 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: away from the show, but it wasn't time yet. 123 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: And many seasons did you do. 124 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: I did. I don't know how many seasons. I'm terrible 125 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: about that. I did twenty years here you don't know. Well, actually, 126 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: here's the problem. I did nineteen and a half years. 127 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to get to twenty. I was my thing 128 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: was when I get to twenty years, I'm probably going 129 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: to step away. I'll figure out what this is. But obviously, 130 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, nobody gets to leave typically on their own accord. 131 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: I mean I did. 132 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: Speaking of Disney life, Life's not a Disney movie? Is 133 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: that how you left? Did you you decided to leave? No? 134 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: I decided, Well, this is what I decided that I 135 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 2: no longer want to be a pro dancer. Okay, but 136 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: you know I also want. 137 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 3: To evolve and be host or judge. 138 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: Right, wouldn't that be natural? Like you would think, right, 139 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: one of the biggest I've been the longest, I've been there, 140 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: the longest. 141 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: You're one of the biggest stars to have ever come 142 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: through that. 143 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: Show, regardless of star. I mean, it's just like it's 144 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: hard for me to separate the business and the personal 145 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: because like, these people are my family, and yeah, but 146 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: they're not but they're not right. Yeah, But what's so 147 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 2: hard is that like they've seen me my most vulnerable right. So, God, 148 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: there's so much I want to say, but I just 149 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 2: the difficult thing is my mouth. 150 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: You do when you when you work, and this is 151 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: not necessarily a knock on ABC or Disney or Warner 152 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: who I worked for, but partly what they want you 153 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: to do as an employee. And this is if I 154 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: own a big company, I would want you to feel 155 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: like you're a big of a big part, big happy family. 156 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: You're a part of that. You're replaceable that, yes, but yeah, 157 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: you don't get too comfortable because you're replaceable. But hey, 158 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: we want you to sacrifice everything. You wanted to walk 159 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: away from professional. 160 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: Dancing because Okay, first of all, I've been saying it 161 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: for a while, but also like I just as an 162 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 2: artist honestly just looking at like my potential and wanting 163 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: to just grow. Like for me, this whole last year 164 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: or two years, you know, since my separation and divorce 165 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: and everything has been a huge growth growth in my life, 166 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: just like growing period where I just want to evolve 167 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: and I can't walk away from my marriage and then 168 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: walk away and not walk away from the show, because 169 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: it's it's all similar, right, it's all coming from the 170 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: same I guess need of wanting to evolve. And if 171 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: that's with you, great, If it's not, great, but I'm 172 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: moving on. 173 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: And so I'm going to guess, well, you wanted to stay. 174 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: You wanted to stay. 175 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: I wanted to stay a whole job title, yes, as 176 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: a host or judge. 177 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: And they knew very much that I was wanting this 178 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: for many years. 179 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: My guess, I'm going to go out on a limb 180 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: knowing the executives and especially the executive you were dealing with. 181 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: My guess, promises were. 182 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: Made absolutely for many years. 183 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: So promises were made to Cheryl Burke many times over. 184 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: I know they were made to you about the Bachelor 185 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: and Bachelorette and being on that show. 186 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: You're still talking about it. 187 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. 188 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: So I'm heard you walk that. Did you not know? 189 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: Oh I thought you did that. 190 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: They put that on me? 191 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. 192 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I have that much power, someone said to you, 193 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: I have the power to decide to bachelor bache att. 194 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: No, I think they blamed it on you. 195 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's funny. But it's also the beast that we 196 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: work for, right Why it's Hollywood, it's this business. They 197 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: because they are just as scared. You know, everybody has 198 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: a boss and those people are scared to death, and 199 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: so it's just yeah, and so they look. They love 200 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: being around the talent, they love being around the stars, 201 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: and they they love to make promises, right, they get 202 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: to walk in the room, they get to be the 203 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: star of that room full of stars. 204 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: And I think they really love to make promises that 205 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: they can't keep, Like, I don't think I could do 206 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: that as a human being. 207 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if they necessarily love that, Like 208 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: they don't love lying, they love control. Well, I don't 209 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: know if they even necessarily know they do it. I 210 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: think it is almost a you walk in a room 211 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: full of stars and all of a sudden, you are 212 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 1: the star like all these people, all the dancers. When 213 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: this person walks in and goes, oh, hey, you know I 214 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: don't yeah, and like hey, and so you walk in 215 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: and everyone knows this person and he's actually popped right 216 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: right in that moment or she, whoever the executive is 217 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: at that time. And yeah, they're going to make promises 218 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: to you because it makes you happy. They're just saying 219 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: things to placate you and make you happy because they 220 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: need to get you to want to sacrifice. If I 221 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: tell Cheryl, hey, you're going to be host or judge, 222 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: trust me, like everybody loves you. You're going places, I'll 223 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: take care of you. You're going to dance in your 224 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: living room when you have COVID, You're going to come 225 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: in and I'm. 226 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 2: Going to interrupt you. I think this is why I 227 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: started to speak up for myself. Right. Whether you want 228 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: to call it a woman with an opinion or somebody 229 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 2: who is egotistical and narcissistic, it's neither. It's just the 230 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 2: fact that I was learning the bullshit, yeah, and I 231 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: was so tired of it now. I was tired of 232 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: going through William Morris, my agent, who was basically calling 233 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: them out like it was exactly what you had said, 234 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 2: and then it was like put it in writing, right, 235 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: it didn't happen. 236 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 3: Right, I left. 237 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: Or they'll even say they will, like, oh yeah we will, 238 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: we will, but you can't, but like, but then you don't, yeah, 239 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: And then they never do. 240 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: And then I have another offer at another network, NBC, 241 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: and so then I'm going to go there, and then 242 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: I come back and then I feel like I've been 243 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 2: punished ever since. 244 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. They you know, I stepped out 245 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: a lot and did other shows, and if I did Millionaire, 246 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: if I did Miss America, and I took another gig 247 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: outside the Bachelor, it's like I would come back home 248 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 1: and be punished. It was, and it really is like 249 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: a relationship where it's as if I had stepped out gaslighting. 250 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: It's well, it's as if I stepped out on my 251 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: my lover. It's like I went out and was kind 252 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: of hitting on it. I was flirting and I was 253 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: hitting on other people. And I come home and I 254 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: smell like someone else's perfume, and they get they get 255 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: very jealous and protective. 256 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 2: They don't say it, they don't communicate it. 257 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: No, there's they'll they'll do things like all of a sudden, 258 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: you'll have a co host or someone will be like, oh, 259 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: we're taking off this, or yeah it's like, oh, you know, 260 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: I think we want you have. 261 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: The worst celebrity ever. Or you'll be in the back 262 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: of the group numbers you're like, what the hell? What? 263 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, what? There's always ways for them to kind of 264 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: put their their thumbprint on you. But it is it's 265 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: a it's a power grab and it's our industry is 266 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: not any different than other businesses who do this. But 267 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: we live in this world and it's it's Laura and 268 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: I discussed this a lot. When you're doing something in 269 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: the arts, and we are, you can't take yourself out 270 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: of it. It's emotional, you're dancing. Your soul is in this. Yeah, 271 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: it's how we communicate. And when I'm hosting or whatever, 272 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: that's that's me. And so you can't say it's not 273 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: personal because for us, everything we're doing is personal. 274 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: And by the way, it is to them too, like 275 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: I don't care. Yes, maybe they're better at it because 276 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: they're the ones in control, but don't tell me it's 277 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: not It doesn't come from an emotion in their body 278 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 2: that's being triggered. Right, So basically, but we're still because 279 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: we you know, we don't have our own network yet yet. 280 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: How did you find out officially when you weren't going 281 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: to be hosting or. 282 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: I mean back, okay, so much I want to say, 283 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 2: was this. 284 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: The Tyra's situation? 285 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,599 Speaker 2: No, this was I mean, this would be so controversial 286 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: even before Tyra, like when Tom was still. 287 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: They were looking for a new co host with Tom. 288 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't, but you could you get Andrews? 289 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: Was it Aaron? Was she ever co host? Am I 290 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: making this? Okay? 291 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: So it was if you actually I mean you could 292 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: just talked about you coming in. Well nope, but like 293 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: on the d like nobody knows. And this was right 294 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: when my contract of like one hundred years finally finished, 295 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: right like it was like done. And then I at 296 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 2: the time it was Paul to leg D who remember Paul. Yeah, 297 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: so he was running this unscripted over at NBC and 298 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 2: had this show for me called I Can Do That 299 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: with Colschure Zinger, Joe Jonas Sierra and it just sounded 300 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: fun because it was like, okay, but here you are 301 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 2: promising me the world, and I said I would stay 302 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: if you put it in writing, if you. 303 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: Put it in a contract. 304 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 2: I mean, this is just one on one, like come on. 305 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: And then they say at the last second no, And 306 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: then of course, you know, Paul's so excited. He goes, 307 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 2: this is gonna be huge. I'm stealing you from a 308 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: show that I used to work at, and from like 309 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: you've been so heavily like you know, he fed off 310 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 2: this shit and for me, I'm scared, like I'm literally scared, 311 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 2: but I'm also trying to put me first. But at 312 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: the same time, I only know Dancing with the Stars 313 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: that was the heart like one of the hardest decisions 314 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 2: of my life because it's like, I want to believe 315 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 2: you right, but let's just be real, I also have 316 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: to believe. 317 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: I want to believe that you guys will actually do 318 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: the right thing, because you do feel like a family. 319 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: You feel like these I'm almost like I'm stupid, Like 320 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 2: how are you going to convince somebody that you're you're 321 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: promising them the world and you're not going to put 322 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: it in writing like that is insanity? 323 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: Like you at dancing you're just Sheryl Burke, Yes, period, 324 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: just this woman who's living her life, your emotions and you. 325 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: This is you and that was my identity was And. 326 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: They are massive, you know, the two biggest I was 327 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: dealing with two of the biggest studios in the world. 328 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: And you're a rounding air. You're not even a rounding 329 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: air in their mind. 330 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: What's that meaning? 331 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: You're you're worrying consequential? Oh you know, did me leaving 332 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: the show heard it? Yeah? 333 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: Of course, like Tom run right. 334 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: When Tom left Dancing with the Stars, he didn't leave it. Yeah, 335 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: well he was. Yeah, that got messy and I need 336 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: to ask Tom on because it's that was crazy to me. 337 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I made him a two parter in my 338 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: new podcast. Since you're not going to promote it sex 339 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: Lies and spray tanks. 340 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: You're doing Wait, you're doing a podcast, shut up my 341 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: third podcast. 342 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: If this doesn't work, I don't know what will. 343 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: It's on iHeart Radio. You can find sex lies and videotapes. 344 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: Where videotapes and vhs tap. 345 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: Do you remember that movie Rob good one, Sex Lies 346 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: and spray tans? 347 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: Yes, the summary of what let's talk. 348 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: About like that? Because you are pissing everybody else. 349 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: Oh I'm not. 350 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny when you kind of break away 351 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: and you get it's like any relationships, you start to 352 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: get perspective. Yeah, you get your power back, you get 353 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: your voice back. 354 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: Well, I haven't gotten there yet, you will. I mean, 355 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: I believe my voice is definitely loud and clear. However, 356 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: the repercussions still make me feel a certain way. 357 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: They scary. It's scary. 358 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: It's that scary. It's more like empty because it's so 359 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: interesting how I define. I mean, it's not that interesting. 360 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: It's all I mean, it is interesting. I defined myself 361 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: by dancing, literally by what place did I get? This 362 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: last season? Was was how I was holding myself in public, 363 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 2: like whether I was confident or not. Now if I was, 364 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 2: if I won, then you know I'm feeling great, Like 365 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: it's so interesting just to dissect that time of my 366 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: life at seventeen years of my life. 367 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: You know, well, what's and again this is an actual 368 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: plus we're dancing with the star, seeing we're saying good 369 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: things that if people think these answers don't care and 370 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: it's not competitive, you're crazy. Like you know, I remember 371 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: back in the day I was friends with Mark ballas 372 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: I was friends with you Maxim. All these guys, trust me, 373 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: they want to effing win, Like I remember you, well, no, 374 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: but you want to win the competition. You want to dance, well, 375 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: you want good score, you wanted to win. 376 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: Okay, wait, no, no, you didn't want to win. It's 377 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: those boys you were talking about. Now they have a 378 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: different it's more like a competition between them. But for honestly, 379 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: for me it I think I won back in nineteen 380 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: sixty two, and I was the most successful when it 381 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: wasn't when I didn't make it about me. And then 382 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: when I started getting a little selfish, oh, then it 383 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: started to work against me. 384 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: Wow. 385 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: And then when I became sober, I had a whole 386 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: new perspective on this whole show. 387 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: You've been sober for five years, which I love. Congratulations. 388 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: So they told me that you said the reason why 389 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: they said that I didn't get to do the Bachelor 390 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: Bachelorette because Chris Harrison said that you're a sloppy drunk. 391 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: That's so funny, and you know, it's great here, this 392 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: is what's beautiful. We can talk about this they in public. 393 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: They would never give me that kind of power to 394 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: decide who the Bachelor Bacherette is. Yeah, I mean Mike 395 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: would ask me, or you know, or somebody would ask like, hey, 396 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: like what do you think about Emily Maynard, what do 397 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: you think about Jason Mesnick? Whatever? And I give my 398 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: two cents, but like they would go, you know, I 399 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: could tell them a thousand because there's a lot of bachelor's. 400 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: This is why I know it's not true. There's a 401 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: lot of bachelor's and bacherettes. And I won't say anybody 402 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: specific that I didn't think. Well, I will give you 403 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: one Sean Low, because he turned out to be a 404 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: good friend and he's great. 405 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: I I he's still married. 406 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's still married. He's he's our only he's 407 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: our only success story. They really hang their hat on 408 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: Sean Low. I think of the Bachelor's he's it interesting. 409 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: I mean already ended up kind of dating, breaking up 410 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: and dating and getting married. And then Jason Mesnick did 411 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: the same thing. So I remember season one. 412 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: With Kelly Moniko. 413 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: I wasn't there no Trista. 414 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: Oh, I just interviewed her on sex, lies and spray 415 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: hands anywhere you see. 416 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: You know the trivia question the first person ever booted 417 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: Offdancing with the Stars. 418 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: It's called the Dancing with the Stars curse because of 419 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: your your old franchise that you were a part of. 420 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: Why because everyone started hooking up with the dancers. 421 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: So it was it's literally well not, I mean that's 422 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 2: very general of you to say, but not everyone was 423 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: hooking up with all the dancers. 424 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: You could feel it on the dance floor. I remember 425 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: when Trista came on the show, and that kind of 426 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: started this thing. And then it was like every bachelor bacherette. 427 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 3: Became a Dancing with the Stars. Was that a dancing 428 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 3: Was that a good thing? 429 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: No? 430 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: Was it? Clearly that was a bad thing. 431 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: No, I know. 432 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: I always thought like it kind of helped promote they 433 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: were trying to do this synergy thing. 434 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 2: It's interesting what you're saying right now, because, like you know, 435 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, with this podcast, like 436 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: the amount of people that you also know that are 437 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: assuming things without hearing the fucking podcast is killing me. 438 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 2: But it's because they don't want to hear it. It's 439 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: because they want to feel this way and they want 440 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: to feel validated. 441 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: I think I have to send it to them. 442 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 2: I'm already you offered to send what. 443 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: The podcast because they were so they were so scared 444 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: about the podcast, and so I said, well just listen. 445 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 2: And then you know, they're like the title. I'm like, well, 446 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: what do you expect? Should I call it Dancing with 447 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: the Stars? Reviews like, I mean, right, you're making money 448 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 2: off me, and vice versa. 449 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: It is a powerful thing when you realize that they 450 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: don't own you and you get. 451 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: Your voice, realize that you're never going to get that 452 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: seat at the judges table that you deserve. 453 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: They were just dangling it in front of you. Anyway. 454 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, and here I am cha cha chaying up 455 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 2: until thirty nine? Need two hip replacements? 456 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: Do you really need two hip replacements? 457 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 3: No? 458 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 2: For sure? Wow, I have arthritis everywhere. 459 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure. I hope you'll keep rolling with the podcast. 460 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: Oh I'm rolling with bells and whistles on and lots 461 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: of fringe and lashes and spray tands and sex and lies. 462 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: I love it. Talk about the sex, talk about the relationships. 463 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like it's not like she all 464 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: don't know. 465 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: It's crazier. Brooke Burke was just on and all. 466 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: She admitted all that. All. 467 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: She admitted I would have had a who the that 468 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 2: is so Disney friendly what she said. And people are 469 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: saying you wore like how dare you? Yes? People are 470 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: like being so. 471 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: Every party Derrek Hoff ever walked into in Hollywood, his 472 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: shirt was off within four minutes. 473 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 2: And he was like just spinning with that haircut. Is 474 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: just like so talented. By the way, talent. You get 475 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: a little bit of my talent. 476 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: If I had those as, I would have taken my 477 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: shirt off to. 478 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just jealous the same My job is 479 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: not I'm not trying to manipulate the interview and say ooh, 480 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 2: you know, no, I'm not. This is all new to me. 481 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: I'm not one to interview, as you know, I don't 482 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 2: have that much experience with it. I'm literally just having 483 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 2: a conversation with my friends who feel comfortable enough to 484 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 2: open up to me, and we just happen to just 485 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: you know, get some good show. 486 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: Well that's the beauty that That is the beauty of 487 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: the podcast. It's the beauty of the long form. Is 488 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: that you get to talk, you get to say your piece. 489 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: It's never it will never end up. I mean, like 490 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: I would never do GMA or a GMA type show 491 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: again because why would you Why would anybody go on 492 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: to a show like that where they have complete control 493 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: of editing and can cut you down. I mean, I 494 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: don't know how many times I went to GMA, flew 495 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: to New York, spend you know, on the Red Eye. 496 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 1: You get there at eleven o'clock. 497 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: At night, try putting on a dance costume, Chris, and 498 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 2: then you. 499 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: Get up after an hour's sleep, and you got to 500 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: get up at five in the morning. And do you 501 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: know I remember, like Sage Steele went on and I 502 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: were to go in and doing doing Miss America. We 503 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,239 Speaker 1: literally went on for like forty seconds and then they 504 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: go off and I'm like, I just finish, And so 505 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: I don't know why you would ever go on those 506 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: shows again, Like why. 507 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 2: Because I but but we're different, because like you have 508 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: done what you wanted to do. Like I feel like 509 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 2: I haven't started yet and I've only just begun. 510 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. You have now this voice in 511 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: this podcast, you can say everything you want in long form. 512 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: I know you're still going to get pressed, trust me, No, 513 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm already. 514 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 2: A press side. I'm just worried I'm never going to 515 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 2: get hired to go. 516 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: They're chasing you now. Well you're now more hirable than 517 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: you can what You're now more hirable than Eve. 518 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 2: I mean, as far as I'm concerned, Like, I have 519 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: a lot to say, and honestly so does Trista Sutter. 520 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: Like the fact that she was the first eliminated celebrity 521 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: and we still had an hour long conversation because she 522 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: had all these feelings and she needed to talk to 523 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: somebody who understood what she was saying, and the fact 524 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: that she had closure. She can actually close that chapter. 525 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: I swear to God, it's so emotional and it's so 526 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: insane because you're like, wait, it's just a fucking dann show. No, 527 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,719 Speaker 2: it's not like Heather, you know from Glee. She's just 528 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 2: like I got eliminated for ratings. That's it. I'm saying it. 529 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: I mean. 530 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: James Vanderbeek was pretty open about his season two who 531 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: people get pissed because I felt kind of guilty and 532 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: bad because. 533 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 2: You do the show. 534 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: Don't ever do it dancing? Oh god, no, I almost. 535 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: I almost hosted it one time. 536 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 2: Oh is that after before Tom? 537 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: It was to help Tom because Tom was having a 538 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: family emergency and they ABC called me in the middle 539 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: of the day Sunday and said, can you please show up. 540 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: I was there at the table read in case Tom 541 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: didn't show up because we weren't sure how bad the 542 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: emergency was. 543 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 3: You were there, I think, and he was like, no, no, 544 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 3: Tom knew I was there. 545 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 2: Oh no. 546 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: I was doing as a favor for Tom to take 547 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: his job. Oh no, no, no, no no. I was 548 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: doing Bachelor and Bachelor's crushing it. They just needed someone 549 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: who could definitely come in a post. No, this is 550 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: a total favor, And I actually went to the show 551 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: that Monday night, Tom walked right over to me, gave 552 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: me a hug and said, thank you for doing what 553 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: you did, because part of the promise was that I 554 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: would never speak of it while we were like during 555 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: the season and like nobody knew and I just disappeared. 556 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 2: I never knew it. 557 00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so which I just did it as a 558 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: yeah and honestly did as a favorite to the executives. 559 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,479 Speaker 1: The executives called me, hey, buddy, will you do this. 560 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: You're not going to get paid, You're not going to 561 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: probably ever do it. And I said, sure. You know, 562 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: you know I'm a team player totally, because you think 563 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 1: you're part of the family. 564 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 2: I know I've sacrificed. I mean it's been a choice 565 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: of mine, like I've chosen to have you know, the 566 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 2: show consume my life, and I really there's so many 567 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: great moments. I mean, honestly, I wouldn't be sitting here 568 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: with you today, you know the whole spiel. But there's 569 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 2: also a time too for me where I had to 570 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: take a step back and just say, okay, am I 571 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: still am I able to look at myself in the 572 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: mirror and like the person I see because like was 573 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 2: I treated Okay, yes, but there I know I deserve more. 574 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 575 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: Well, and it's not more money. I'm not saying more money. 576 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: I'm saying I know I deserved to be believed in. 577 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's not like I'm not capable. 578 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: Maybe in moments respected a lot more. We won't get into. 579 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 2: That, so I won't to Aretha Franklin song r E 580 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 2: s PC tea commercial. 581 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: And so the point I've taken out of so many 582 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: of these podcasts is multiple things can be true at once. 583 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: It's it's true, it is true. 584 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: We all things get so black and white. It's like 585 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: you're this, You're you're a villain, You're not. It's I 586 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: hate dancing. I loved it. It's like that's it's not true. 587 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: I can feel blessed about The Bachelor. I'll take it 588 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: on me. I can feel blessed I did that show. 589 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: It changed my life, it changed my kids' lives. There 590 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: can be things I'm not happy with. There's people I'm 591 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: not happy with in moments in those twenty years. It's 592 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: impossible that it was perfect. 593 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 2: There's no such thing anyway, such thing. Yeah, but I 594 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: think that because it's still kind of a fresh wound 595 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 2: for me. Yeah, in a way. It's like I think 596 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: a lot of entertainers are in this business because they 597 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 2: look for validation, right in general, like if you really 598 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 2: were to just dig deep, and we want that, especially 599 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 2: from the people who hired us. And there's still a 600 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 2: lot of those people that I basically moved from Harlem 601 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: to la and I considered, you know, whatever they thought 602 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 2: of me or however I placed. Like I said earlier, 603 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: was my way of identifying myself. And it's sad. But 604 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 2: then when it's gone, and not only was it just 605 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 2: the show, but it said divorce, it's also you know, 606 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 2: I just decided to do it all at once. 607 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, the band is, you know what, my entire life. 608 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: In one year, they move out of the house. Sixteen years, 609 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: just divorce and then I'm the worst divorce of all 610 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars. 611 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: You know, just leave the just leave, yeah, just blow 612 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:39,719 Speaker 1: it all up. 613 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: But I'm so happy I did, honestly because I think 614 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 2: that I'm glad you see it that a lot of 615 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: love and respect for myself that I never had. 616 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: I was going to ask if because I've stepped away, 617 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: and as I've gotten away, I realized it was a 618 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: blessing and it's it's my life is so much better 619 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: and I found love and I'm going to get married. 620 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: And I don't know if all that stuff would have 621 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: happened if I was still on the road grinding out 622 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: and dealing with the crap I had been dealing with. Yeah, 623 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: and so in a lot of ways, it's a blessing. 624 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: And I hope you if you haven't found that piece, 625 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: I hope you do. 626 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I will. I'm on the road to it. Like 627 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: I think it's hard to sometimes, especially with a podcast. 628 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 2: I mean, in a way, would you have done a 629 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: podcast about the Bachelor Bachelorette franchise right after? 630 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: No? 631 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: Right? 632 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, people and people wanted me to. People ask me, 633 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: iheard asked me. I'm sure, And it's like, and I 634 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: don't watch the show. I don't. It wasn't, you know, 635 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: And it's not for any other reason other than it's 636 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: not really my jam anyway, right, But of course I'm 637 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: not gonna go watch it's like my It's like I like, 638 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go watch my ex girlfriend date somebody. Yeah. 639 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: So I'm doing this right now as we speak. But 640 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: I love the like I do love dance, right, So 641 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 2: it's not like it's just you know though, I would 642 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: I just pitched this to uh, the president of Unscripted 643 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: at Netflix. I would do Love is Blind in two 644 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 2: seconds if they did a celebrity version. 645 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: Hmmm, I like that right, But. 646 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 2: There's two rules. One you can't talk about the career 647 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: obviously that you're a part of. And two obviously appearances. Yeah, 648 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 2: and if you do buying yourself another Love is Blinder. 649 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: So that's where we're gonna see Cheryl just. 650 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 2: Blind walking around trying to find my match. Have you 651 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 2: done mass singer yet? They've asked me, you need to 652 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: have Tom on your podcast to you know what. 653 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: I will have Tom because there's I heard a lot 654 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: of things about Tom and I knew Tom and I 655 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: love Tom. Before we get to that, Okay, can we 656 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: wrap this up? I mean, here's the thing said. I 657 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: always say I like a good, clean beginning and a 658 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: clean ending on these shows. We completely blew up the 659 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: beginning of the show. It was a disaster. I'm not 660 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: even sure people knew Cheryl Burke was on the show. 661 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: I didn't even know we started the interview. Can we 662 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 2: start again? 663 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: And now we're crashing and burning to end this show? 664 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: And that's the way it should be. Cheryl, thank you 665 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: for being here for this absolute dumpster fire of a show. 666 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: In all seriousness, I love you. You're a dear friend too. 667 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: I've known you for quite a long time and we've 668 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: been through the battles together and I'm glad to see 669 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: you healthy, sober, kicking. 670 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 3: Ass Asian Oprah is my name, Asian Oprah. I have 671 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 3: not heard that agent, but Asian No, I understood what 672 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 3: you're saying. 673 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: OK, gotcha. That's a great note to end on. Thanks 674 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most dramatic 675 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: pod ever, and make sure to write us a review 676 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you next time.