1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today, 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: we're diving into some of the critical issues surrounding Washington, 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: DC's governance, crime, and the nationwide redistricting battles shaping our 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: political future. Joining us for that legal discussion is Hans 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: von Spakowsky. He is a senior legal Fellow at the 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation. We're going to explore the president's authority to 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: federalize Washington, d C. The debate over the DC Home 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: rele Act. Is it time for Congress to get rid 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: of that? Also, we're going to dive into the truth 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: about what's really going on in Washington, d C. Democrats 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: keep making the argument that crime is down, but is it? 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: What should you know about that? And why? 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: More broadly, has the Democrat Party become the party of 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: crime and disorder? Why are they embracing lawlessness. Plus, we'll 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: unpack the high stakes redistricting fights. It's really a redistricting 17 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: arms race that we're seeing in the country with Texas, 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: California and beyond. 19 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: We'll talk about the legal basis behind all of that. 20 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: Also, these conversations about the need to do a new census. 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: It's never been done before. Should we do it? What 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: does the law say? 23 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: So stay tuned for an honest and truthful conversation to 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of all of these big legal 25 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: fights with Hans von Spakovsky. Well, Hans, I appreciate you 26 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: coming on this show, looking forward to obviously this is 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: getting a lot of attention what President Trump's trying to 28 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: do in Washington, d C. So I look forward to 29 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: your legal expertise and breaking it all down for us. 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: So thanks for taking the time. 31 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: Oh sure, I'm happy to talk to you about it. 32 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: You know, Hans, what's interesting is, you know, people seem 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: to forget that Congress has ultimate authority over Washington, d C. 34 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: They keep referencing Washington, d C with cities across America. 35 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 2: But DC is unique, right, so we know that. 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, just talk about that Congress's role 37 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: in oversight with Washington DC. 38 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: The District of Columbia is not really a city, and 39 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: it's not a state. It's a federal district and the 40 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: federal government has control over and no different than other 41 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: federal properties such as army bases. It's exactly the same thing. 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: The only reason that DC has a city council and 43 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: a mayor is because in nineteen seventy three Congress granted 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: them limited home rule. But even though they said, yeah, 45 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: you could have a city council and a mayor, Congress 46 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 3: retained power and authority over the city's budget and also 47 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: the authority to basically override in veto any local laws 48 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 3: or ordinances that the city council might pass. Additionally, when 49 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: it comes to the president, they gave the president the 50 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: power to basically federalize and run the Metropolitan Police Department. 51 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 3: If there are special circumstances that the President believes amount 52 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 3: to an emergency, he can do it immediately for forty 53 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 3: eight hours, and as long as he notifies Congress during 54 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 3: that forty eight hours, then he can do it for 55 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: thirty days. Another big difference is that the National Guards 56 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: are under the nominal control of governors in the States. 57 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 3: That is not the case in the district. Again, because 58 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 3: it's federal property, the president is the direct commander of 59 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: the National Guard. He doesn't have to go to the 60 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: mayor to get permission to use the national Guard. In fact, 61 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: it's the other way around. If the mayor believes the 62 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: DC National Guard is needed on the streets. She has 63 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: to go to the President and ask him to tell 64 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: them to start patrolling. 65 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: So he referenced that the President can federal realize the 66 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: DC Metropolitan Police under the Home Rule Act of nineteen 67 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: seventy three under special circumstances. Does the Home Rule Act 68 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: dictate what those special circumstances have to be? Or is 69 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: that like subjective and up to the president to decide? 70 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: Or I mean not, or is that up to the 71 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: president to sort of dictate what those special circumstances are? 72 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: Like? How does that work? 73 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 3: The least of the language is extremely broad and leaves 74 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 3: it entirely within the discretion of the president. Nobody can 75 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: question that. And even if, for example, the mayor of 76 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 3: the city council tried to sue the president, no judge 77 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: is going to override the judgment of the President that 78 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: special circumstances exist, and those special circums do exist. Look, 79 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 3: I've been working in the District of Columbia for more 80 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 3: than two decades and it is a not only a 81 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: poorly run city, it is a very dangerous city with 82 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: high crime rates. I mean, has the fourth highest murder 83 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: rate in the country. There are roaming, roving gangs, of 84 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: teenagers that not only rob and assault people, but also 85 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: give it a very high car jacking rate. It is 86 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,559 Speaker 3: a dangerous city, and the city council has done everything 87 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: they can to actually make it difficult for law enforcement 88 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 3: to operate. 89 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: So after that thirty day period, I believe it requires 90 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: a joint resolution passed by both the House and the Senate. 91 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: Did they just need a simple majority to get that done? 92 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: Do you think that Congress would do that or what 93 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: do you think happens beyond that thirty day period. 94 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: Oh? I think that members of Congress are well aware 95 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: of the problems there, and Republicans in particular, since they 96 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 3: have a majority, I think if the President asks for 97 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: more authority, they'll give it because look, all you have 98 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: to do is look at the news feeds for the 99 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: last couple of years and you'll see that staffers and 100 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: others in Congress have been attacked in the streets. And look, 101 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 3: just this week there were protests being staged up in 102 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: the DuPont Circle area against what the president was doing, 103 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: and the police had to be called in because a 104 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: couple of blocks away a man was shot and killed 105 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: on the street. At the same time, these protesters are saying, oh, well, 106 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 3: we don't need more law enforcement. That shows and really 107 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: illustrates the problem in the District of Columbia. 108 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 2: Do you think it's time to get rid of the 109 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: home rele Act? 110 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 3: I have to tell you, I think Congress should give 111 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 3: serious consideration to taking back over the local government. Again. 112 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 3: You talk to anyone who's willing to say something about it, 113 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: and they'll tell you how poorly the city is run, 114 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: and they have all kinds of issues and problems throughout 115 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 3: all of the district. And I think a lot of people, 116 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: even even if they even if they want to don't 117 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 3: want to admit it publicly, would tell you, yeah, it 118 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: would be a good thing for the federal government to 119 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: take it over and fix so many of the problems 120 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: that exist throughout the city. 121 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting too with the uproar from the left, 122 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: because I believe it was in twenty twenty three there 123 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: was actually a bipartisan effort along with Joe Biden over 124 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: writing some changes to the DC's criminal code. 125 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: That's right, and so it's you know, so it's. 126 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: Sort of ironic now that there's this uproar when you know, 127 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: like there was already bipartisan Ever effort very recently to 128 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: override the will of Washington, d C's City council. 129 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 3: Right, and one of the things they've done is is 130 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: say can't demand cash bail. And the result of that 131 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: is that dangerous criminals are on the streets almost the 132 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 3: very next day after they have been arrested. You talk 133 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: to any police officer, the Metro police in this town, 134 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: and they will tell you they're frustration over the fact 135 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: that even when they arrest folks, they're almost out on 136 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: the street immediately and committing crimes again. 137 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: Well, and you even have the DC Lice union. 138 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: Head talking about how he supports what President Trump's It's 139 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: also interesting because we've seen members of Congress come under 140 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: attack recently. I mean, Democrat Congressman Henry Quaar was carjacked 141 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: at gunpoint. Representative Anjie Craig was attacked in her own 142 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: apartment complex. Senator Ran Paul Staffer stabbed with the intern 143 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: that was murdered, the dose Staffer who has an appropriately 144 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: named nickname. Considering the fact that he stood up to 145 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: these people to protect his friend that he is with, 146 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, so clearly DC cannot keep members of Congress 147 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: and their staff states what safe what do you make 148 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: of this argument though, because we keep hearing this talking 149 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: point of like, oh, well, crimes down thirty or you know, 150 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: down the most it's been in like thirty years or whatever, 151 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: even though we know that a DC Police commissioner is 152 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: under investigation for trying to cook the books in terms 153 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: of data, but like even taking like, let's just take 154 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: their point seriously as if it is true. You know, 155 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: if I meet one hundred pounds and I get to 156 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: six hundred, I'm still abes right, So it's like, what 157 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: do you make of sort of this talking point for 158 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: the left to try to downplay how bad things are 159 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: in DC. 160 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: I mean, that is just an outright lie that it's 161 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 3: the lowest it's been in thirty years. Let me just 162 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 3: give you one quick example of that. In twenty eleven, 163 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: there were one hundred and eight murders in d C, 164 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 3: and this is according to d C Metro Police's own 165 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty four, there were one hundred and eighty seven, 166 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: but that was down from twenty twenty three, when they 167 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 3: had the highest number of murders ever recorded in the city. 168 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: We're only halfway through the year and we've already passed 169 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: one hundred killings. So the murder rate in this city 170 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 3: is basically double what it was in the twenty eleven 171 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 3: through you know, like twenty twenty time frame. If you 172 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: compare deceited states. It has the highest car theft rate 173 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: in the country. And look, you just mentioned the former 174 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: DOJE employee who tried to stop a roving gang of 175 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 3: teenagers and got assaulted and severely injured for doing that. Look, 176 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: eighty percent of the carjackings in this city are committed 177 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 3: by teenagers fourteen to seventeen year olds. Seventy percent of 178 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 3: them are armed, but as the new US attorney complained, 179 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: they all are go to juvenile court instead of being 180 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 3: treated as violent adults, and are immediately out on the 181 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 3: street again where they repeatedly commit these crimes again. And 182 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 3: that's part of the problem in this city. 183 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: So can Congress make those changes since they have ultimate 184 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: authority over Washington, DC, Or does the city council need 185 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: to make those changes in terms of the age of criminality. 186 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: Well, the city council could do it, but they are 187 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 3: anti law enforcement, they are defund the police. They're not 188 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: going to do it. Congress can and should do it 189 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: because they have the ultimate power and authority over the district. 190 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: We've got to take a quick commercial break. More Hans 191 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: on the other side. If you like what you're hearing, 192 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: please share on social media or share with your friends. 193 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: How and why did we get to this point where 194 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: the left has become You even see it with the 195 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: Southern border under or Biden for four years. You know, 196 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: how and why did the Democrat Party become the party 197 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: of crime and disorder? Why do they embrace lawlessness so much? 198 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 3: I don't understand it other than they seem to be 199 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 3: driven by ideology instead of everyday practical reality. Keep in 200 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 3: mind that part of the defund the police movement, which 201 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: was adopted and supported by Democratic city governments throughout the country. Look, 202 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 3: this all arose out of leftist frankly Marxist professors in 203 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 3: California who said that our entire justice system is racist 204 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 3: and that we should not just defund the police, but 205 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: close down all our prisons. I mean, that sounds crazy, 206 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 3: but those are the kind of things that have infected them. 207 00:12:54,160 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 3: It's obviously something that their constituents also do not agree with, because, 208 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: as you know, the polling shows that support for the 209 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 3: Democratic Party is at the lowest since they started doing polling, 210 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 3: and it's because of positions like this which make no sense. 211 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: You know. 212 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: I also blame Obama because I think, really, ever since 213 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: the whole hands up, don't shoot with Michael Brown, it 214 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: kind of like turned the system upside down, where, you know, 215 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: even after his own Department of Justice determined that Michael 216 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: Brown was in the wrong and Officer Wilson was not, 217 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: Obama was still like, oh, we don't we'll never really 218 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: know what, you know, like he pushed this whole lie 219 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: that and then I think ever since and then you 220 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: had the Black lives don't matter, and then I feel 221 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: like it kind of like appended the system where somehow 222 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: the criminal is the victim, and you know, the victim 223 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: is the criminal, right, yeah. 224 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 3: Now that is that is exactly right. And it's a 225 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: good thing you brought that up, because look, Eric Hohler 226 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 3: was the head of the Justice Department at the time, 227 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 3: and the Civil Rights Division went in investigated. If I 228 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 3: used to work in the Civil Rights Division, and I 229 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 3: can tell you that if the lawyers there had discovered 230 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 3: evidence that the police officer was responsible, they not only 231 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 3: would have said so, they would have prosecuted him, but 232 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 3: even their investigation showed that he was not at fault 233 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 3: in that situation. And yet not only Obama keeps to 234 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 3: push it, but you won't find any other Democratic members 235 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 3: of Congress and others who were supporting what Obama was saying. 236 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: Not a single one of them, I think, has ever 237 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 3: admitted that they got the story entirely wrong. 238 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: But it's almost like they wanted to get it wrong, 239 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: you know. And then you had police officers in the 240 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: fetal position. As former mayor of Chicago, Ram Emmanuel said 241 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: that his police officers were in the fetal position since Ferguson, 242 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: and then, you know, and then you had all this 243 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: defund the police that came later after George Floyd. But it, 244 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, at least in my memory, it seems to 245 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: really kind of draw a line back to the Obama 246 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: years when at least I can remember when things really 247 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: started to erode and kind of get crazy. 248 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: I wanted to get your take on. 249 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: Obviously, we're looking at some big redistricting fights. 250 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: It's almost like a redistricting arms. 251 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: Race that's taking place right now heading into the midterm elections. 252 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: Looking at what they're trying to do in Texas. Are 253 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: they overstepping do you think that or are they within 254 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: the confined confines of their laws. 255 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 3: Well, what everyone fails to mention, particularly the Democrats who 256 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 3: fled the state and the Texas situation is is that 257 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 3: everyone's talking as if Texas just out of the blue 258 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 3: decided to redistrict. That's wrong. In early July, the US 259 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: Justice Barman sent a letter to Texas warning them that 260 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: four of the congressional districts that they had put together 261 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one were unconstitutional racial jerrymanders. The reason 262 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 3: for that is that at the end of last year, 263 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: so during the prior administration, the Fifth Circuit US Court 264 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: of Appeals, which is the appeals court over Texas, Louisiana, Misissippi, 265 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 3: in a different case, had said that particular types of districts, 266 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: what are called coalition districts. That's when lawmakers put two 267 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: different racial minority groups together to form a majority, for example, 268 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 3: Black voters and Hispanic voters, that that is not protected 269 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: by the Voting Rights Act. In fact, that's a political alliance. 270 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 3: And if you use race in that fashion to draw 271 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: the boundary lines of a congressional district, you've engaged in 272 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: racial gerrymandering, and you can't do that. That's unlawful under 273 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: the equal protection clause of the fourteenth Amendment. Anyway, four of 274 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 3: the districts that Republicans put together in twenty twenty one, 275 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 3: frankly at the insistence of Democrats, were those kind of 276 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 3: coalition districts intended to elect Democratic members of Congress. Well, 277 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: they had to fix that because otherwise they would be 278 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 3: sued by the Justice Department under that new Fifth Circuit decision. 279 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 3: So they acted because they had to act to remedy 280 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: racial gerrymandering, which they should not have done. At the 281 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 3: time they thought they had to. But that Fifth Circuit 282 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: decision says that they have to fix those. And when 283 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 3: you take those apart, those four districts that were meant 284 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 3: to elect Democrats, well, what are you going to get? Well, 285 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 3: are you going to create districts that probably favor the GOP. 286 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: Interesting. I've actually not heard that before. 287 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I knew that the Justice Department had sort 288 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: of initiated all this, but I didn't realize the entire backstory. 289 00:17:58,680 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: So it's very interesting. 290 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: So how is that different than when New York had 291 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: to redistrict because of a court order? 292 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: I believe it was in twenty twenty four. 293 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 3: Right. That was because a court there found that under 294 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 3: the States constitution, political jerrymandering was unconstitutional. If you engage 295 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 3: in political jerrymandering, that's when you draw lines to pick 296 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 3: voters and put them in a district that will hopefully 297 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 3: vote for your party's candidate. Under the US Constitution, that 298 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 3: is perfectly acceptable. It's not unconstitutional. Supreme Court said that 299 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 3: just a couple of years ago. As a result of 300 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 3: that decision from the US Supreme Court, folks have tried 301 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 3: to file similar cases in a couple of states under 302 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 3: their state constitutions. That's what happened in New York. It 303 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 3: also happened in Maryland with local courts. They're saying that 304 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 3: by democratic legislature were actually a violation of their states constitution. 305 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 3: But that's that's going to depend on that state's constitution 306 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 3: whether political juryman or is unconstitutional, and most of the 307 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 3: states it's again, it's not a legal issue. 308 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 2: So I guess where do you think this all goes? 309 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: Because Texas is saying, you know, their new map has 310 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: five new Republican seats. You know, Punchable News talks about 311 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 1: how there could be changes in Florida. A minimum of 312 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: three seats, potentially potential changes in Missouri and Indiana. And 313 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: then you could also have changes in Ohio where the 314 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: state law mandates that the state redraws ahead of twenty 315 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: twenty six. And then there's also a Supreme Court case 316 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: coming out with in Louisiana. 317 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 3: Right. 318 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: It also notes that even though Democrats are making a 319 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: lot of noise, they might have a little bit more 320 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: of a challenge, you know, whereas Gavenus i'ms threatening, but 321 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 1: he would have to have a special election for his 322 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: map I believe in November. 323 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: It would also be very costly. 324 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: And some other Democrat states have you know, independent commissions 325 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: that they have challenges with and just you know a 326 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,239 Speaker 1: little bit more difficulty in trying to do what some 327 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: of the red states are doing. So basically all of 328 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: that being said, where does all of this go? Like, 329 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: what are you looking at right now ahead of the 330 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: midterms in sort of this redistricting arms race? 331 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: Well, Democrats are experts at jerrymandering. They invented it back 332 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 3: in eighteen twelve in Massachusetts, and I'm not sure how 333 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 3: much more they can jerryman or many of the blue states. 334 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 3: I mean, Massachusetts has nine congressional seats, zero of them 335 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 3: are republican. Connecticut is the same way. Even though Republicans 336 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 3: got like thirty eight percent of the statewide vote, not 337 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 3: a single seat congressional seat is republican. New Mexico is 338 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 3: the same. Well, why is the same? Illinois? Republicans got 339 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 3: like forty five percent of the statewide vote in twenty 340 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 3: twenty four, and yet out of seventeen congressional seats, Republicans 341 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 3: only hold three. So it's like, I don't know how 342 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 3: much more gerrymanner they can make their states because they've 343 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 3: already done it any change in the congressional districts that 344 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: occurs either this year or next year. And most of 345 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 3: these states, remember their legislators are part time legislatures. They 346 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 3: only meet in the first quarter of the year, and 347 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 3: so in a lot of these places, they wouldn't even 348 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 3: be able to draw up a new map until the 349 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 3: beginning of next year unless the governor's there call in 350 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 3: a special session to do it. And even if they do, 351 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 3: they're going to be lawsuits filed, probably almost immediately, on 352 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 3: both sides of the political aisle, and whether or not 353 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 3: those lawsuits are resolved by the twenty six congressional elections, 354 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 3: I think is pretty doubtful. 355 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: I saw statistic that in twenty twenty four with looking 356 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: at the US House elections, eighty seven percent of the 357 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: seats were effectively decided in primaries by just seven percent 358 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: of eligible voters, right in part because of jerrymandering. I mean, 359 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: is this a broader challenge with you know, obviously both 360 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: parties engage in it is that sort of leading to. 361 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 2: Kind of this vitual we're seeing in Congress. 362 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: Where you know, you get like the most partisan people 363 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: or kind of what do you make of or jerrymandering 364 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: and redistricting at large. 365 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 3: Well, people talk as if this is something. 366 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 2: New, right, it's not. 367 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 3: It's not. I mean, like I said, the first jerrymander 368 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 3: was in eighteen twelve when Governor Elbridge Jerry of Massachusetts 369 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 3: created a district that looked like a salamander. It was 370 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 3: so it was so twisted, like that's where he gets 371 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 3: the word. They combined his last name, Jerry, with the 372 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 3: last part of sala matter. So this has been going 373 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 3: on for a long time. It's not a it's not 374 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 3: anything new. If if states really want to try to 375 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 3: minimize this, what they need to do is put in 376 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 3: very strict standards for what governs. When you read district, 377 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 3: you know your district has to be compact. You have 378 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 3: to try to not break up political subdivisions like cities, towns, counties. 379 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 3: You have to follow geographic lines. You know, you don't 380 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: cross mountains, you don't cross rivers. If they put in 381 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 3: strict rules like that, it would help minimize the amount 382 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 3: of political gerrymandering that that can go on. 383 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: I've got to take a quick break. Morathon's you know, 384 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I feel like with President Trump, we've just 385 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: gotten like a revival of like a history lesson over another. 386 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: It sort of like invokes all these conversations that people 387 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: don't normally pay attention to, which we should, but you 388 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: know it's we all get busy with our lives and 389 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: so then we think about these things again, like the census. 390 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: You know, in President Trump's calling for, you know, to 391 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: redo the census, that this has never been done before 392 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: in our history. I mean, the census does include non citizens. 393 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: I mean there was a point it's been quite some 394 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: time where we had a question about citizenship, which he 395 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: tried to bring back in twenty twenty but was not 396 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: allowed to do so, but we've never redone the census. 397 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: The Census Bureau has never done that, so sort of 398 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: what do you make of this? But you know, it's 399 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: very important because it changes the balance of power in 400 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: Congress with apportionment and as well as the electoral College. 401 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: So I guess what do you make of the argument 402 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: that the census has to be redone? And then also 403 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: what do you make of the fact that, you know, 404 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: the census has sort of already included non citizens at 405 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: a point where that number, especially with the legal aliens, 406 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: is exceptionally high now because of a Biden. 407 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 3: Well, a couple things to realize about that. I don't 408 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 3: think many people know this. In the nineteen seventies, Congress 409 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 3: actually thought it would be a good idea to do 410 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 3: a mid decade census because Americans are a highly mobile society. 411 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 3: I mean, we move. We have a move rate probably 412 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 3: I think higher than almost any Western democracy. So they 413 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 3: actually changed the law to direct the Commerce Department to 414 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 3: start doing a mid decade census, and it was supposed 415 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 3: to start in nineteen eighty five. The Commerce Department, however, 416 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 3: never did it, so that the law is already there 417 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 3: authorizing a mid term census. I think it's a good idea. Yeah, 418 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:52,719 Speaker 3: it's expensive, but I think it's important because of what 419 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: I just said. You know, we have a highly mobile society. 420 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 3: I mean, just look at Texas where this redistricting is occurring. 421 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 3: They have had one of the highest fastest growth rates 422 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 3: of population of any state in the country. Since the 423 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 3: twenty twenty census, They've added over two million people to 424 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 3: the state. That obviously is not taken into account either 425 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 3: in the redistricting process, and it's not taken into account 426 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 3: when federal funds are being distributed to the states, which 427 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 3: happens with all kinds of federal programs that are based 428 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 3: on population. All of that is a good reason to 429 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,239 Speaker 3: do this. The problem with including, of course, people who 430 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 3: aren't citizens in both the redistricting process and apportionment is 431 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 3: that you are basically twisting and distorting political representation. If apportionment, 432 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 3: for example, were based on the citizen population of the US, 433 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 3: California would probably lose anywhere from four to five congressional 434 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 3: seats that it really should not have because it's got 435 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 3: the largest population of aliens, both legal and illegal, in 436 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: the country. So all of that I think lends support 437 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 3: for the idea that one we ought to do a 438 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: mid decade census, and two we should not be including 439 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 3: aliens in either apportionment or redistricting. 440 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: And then before we go, that sort of leads me 441 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: to this question, how much of the open borders we 442 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 1: saw under Biden. How much of that was about this 443 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: very conversation about having more legal aliens for apportionment in 444 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: Congress as well as the electoral college. Because we've even 445 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: heard from people like Congresswoman you Bet Clark who said 446 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: that she needed more migrants for redistricting purposes. 447 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 2: So how much, you know, how much of that. 448 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: Had to do with sort of importing a new voter 449 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: base in the country and also for redistricting purposes. 450 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 3: I think the push within the Biden administration and the 451 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 3: Democratic Party was based on two things. One, they have 452 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 3: a lot of individuals who ideologically believe in open borders. 453 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 3: They think having secure borders is racist and that alien 454 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 3: should be able to come across the border at any time. 455 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 3: That's ideological. But I also think there are a lot 456 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 3: of very practical, politically oriented individuals that were within the 457 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 3: Biden administration who had that exact same view. The more 458 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 3: aliens that come into the country the better. One. It 459 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 3: helps in apportionment. Two, it helps in redistricting. And eventually, 460 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 3: if we can push through some kind of amnesty deal 461 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 3: so that they become US citizens, why then they'll be 462 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 3: voting for us. And I think that's what those two 463 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 3: things are what drove the open borders policy that the 464 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 3: Biden administration. 465 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: Had would gree with that seems to be, which is 466 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: sad that they would quit American citizens at risk for 467 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: political reasons. 468 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: But here we are. 469 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 3: And Lisa, by the way, that brings us all back 470 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 3: to d C, because you know, one of the provisions 471 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: of City Council passed not too long ago, was a 472 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 3: provision allowing aliens to vote in local elections in DC. 473 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: Well, you've helped me bring this conversation full circles and 474 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: appropriately on there after putting a button on it. Hans 475 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: von Spakovski, thank you so much. This is very interesting. 476 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: Really appreciate your bang, your legal expertise. 477 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 3: Sure, thanks for having me. 478 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: That was Hans von Spokowski from the Heritage Foundation. 479 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: Appreciate him for joining the show. 480 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, 481 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. Also want to 482 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: thank my producer John Cassio for putting the show together. 483 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 2: Until next time.