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Speaker 1: What do we have pristol, indeed we do. We have

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Speaker 1: think it's important to keep into context what the original

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Speaker 1: idea was, what the original conception was, and the much

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Speaker 1: much much much much more narrow version that ultimately gets through,

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Speaker 1: while still saying yes, it's a victory. Yes, it's a

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Speaker 1: positive step forward, even with the caveats. It's an improvement

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Speaker 1: over the status quo. Definitely, politically, do I think it

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Speaker 1: will matter? Honestly, No, I mean to the extent that

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Speaker 1: it will have like a little bit of a boost

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Speaker 1: maybe some Democrats like, yeah, okay, I just think macroeconomically,

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Speaker 1: inflation is a story we'll probably cover tomorrow. Pull out

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Speaker 1: today just shows Joe Biden sixty percent disapproval, which, you know, okay, look,

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Speaker 1: you've had your good week, but when you're coming off

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Speaker 1: something like that, listen, Jimmy Carter had a number of

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Speaker 1: legislative wins too, it didn't actually matter. Yeah, yeah, And

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Speaker 1: the problem is that Democrats really need to shift the

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Speaker 1: status quo of reality, not just like have a couple

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Speaker 1: of good media cycles. Yes, you know, it's their problems

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Speaker 1: are so much, far, so far beyond just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you have a messaging issue, So all right, let's talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about insulin. So let's put this piece

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Speaker 1: up on the screen from Politico. So they say breaking

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Speaker 1: as we flag might happen. Back in November of last year,

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Speaker 1: Democrats just learned the student parliamentary and mixed to their

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Speaker 1: plan to penalize drug companies who hike prices faster than

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Speaker 1: inflation outside of Medicare, so they're allowed to and again

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Speaker 1: like they could just fire the parliamentarian and do what

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Speaker 1: they want, but they have decided to be constrained by

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Speaker 1: whatever this random person says. So what they've decided is Medicare, yes,

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Speaker 1: you can negotiate drug prices, but they're not going to

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Speaker 1: allow them. When it comes to private companies and the

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Speaker 1: costs that they are charging consumers, they can't do anything

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Speaker 1: about that. So part of that is Democrats really wanted

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Speaker 1: to put a cap on the amount that companies could

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Speaker 1: charge for insulin. And obviously this is a critical piece

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Speaker 1: because if you just look at the numbers, Americans pay

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Speaker 1: almost one hundred dollars for insulin when the rest of

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Speaker 1: the OECD pays significantly less than twenty five dollars. It

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Speaker 1: takes like penny. It's such a small cost to manufacture insulin,

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Speaker 1: and Bernie Sanders has made a big show of going

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Speaker 1: across the border to Canada to purchase it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we are just getting price gouged too high, heaven And

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Speaker 1: obviously we have a lot of people in this country

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Speaker 1: whose life depends on being able to get access to insulin,

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Speaker 1: who are diabetic, and so this is a major, major

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Speaker 1: pain point. So they decided, even though the parliamentarian struck

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Speaker 1: it down, they decided to put it up for a

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Speaker 1: vote to see if they could get a few Republicans

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Speaker 1: on board, ten Republicans on board, so that they could

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Speaker 1: actually overcome the sixty vote threshold and be able to

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Speaker 1: get the insulin capture, which would be a massive beneficial

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Speaker 1: step forward for so many people across the country. Well,

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Speaker 1: that didn't work out, let's go ahead and put this

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. Senate Republicans block the insulin cap

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Speaker 1: on the private market sixty vote threshold. It fell fifty

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Speaker 1: seven to forty three, so you did have some Republicans

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Speaker 1: who voted for it specifically just to give credit to

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Speaker 1: the ones who did vote to impose this insulin cap.

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Speaker 1: You've got Bill Cassidy, Susan Collins, Josh Holly, Cindy Hyde Smith,

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Speaker 1: John Kennedy, Lisa Murkowski, and Dan Sullivan. Kind of an

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Speaker 1: interesting and odd grouping. Their unusual co of folks who

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Speaker 1: voted for this insulin cabinet is worth pointing out, Sager.

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Speaker 1: Two things. Number one, So many of these senators I

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Speaker 1: saw Joni Ornst in particular, who I think has close

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Speaker 1: family members who are diabetic and dependent on insulin, who

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Speaker 1: under the Trump administration, they were talking, Oh, we got

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Speaker 1: to get insulin costs, and we gotta do this, we

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Speaker 1: gotta do that. Then when they have the opportunity to,

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Speaker 1: of course they vote now. And the other thing that's

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Speaker 1: worth pointing out is that you know, it's disproportionally red

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Speaker 1: states who have the largest number of diabetic sufferers who

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Speaker 1: you know would really benefit from this. Billy can go

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Speaker 1: ahead and put this last piece up on the screen

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Speaker 1: that has the rates here the highest rate of diabetes

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Speaker 1: is West Virginia, than Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, South Carolina, Arkansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: and Texas. Many of those places their senators just voted

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Speaker 1: against this, so again silly the Democrats are letting the

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Speaker 1: parliamentarian dictate the rules here, but they've decided to go

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Speaker 1: down this path and ultimately did I think something that

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Speaker 1: was at least politically intelligent. The right moral stance would

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Speaker 1: be just to do it and get a new parliamentarian.

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Speaker 1: But from a political perspective, you know, getting people on

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Speaker 1: the record and showing where everybody stands on these issues,

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Speaker 1: I think is a tactic we've seen increasingly from Democrats,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's a pretty wise one well, especially

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Speaker 1: insulin and also just don't forget give them. So many

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Speaker 1: Republicans voted for it, that means a lot of Democrats

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Speaker 1: to vote to make sure that it actually got across

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Speaker 1: the line, which is kind of insane that they didn't

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Speaker 1: allow it to do. So. I just think it's Look,

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Speaker 1: this is a good opportunity in order to highlight this.

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Speaker 1: Ten percent of the US population nine point eight specifically

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Speaker 1: of adults over eighteen, have a diagnosed case of diabetes,

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Speaker 1: and a lot more people we don't have the exact

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Speaker 1: numbers are at risk of diabetes. So this is a killer.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a sign of the obesity crisis.

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Speaker 1: Diabetes is a lifelong problem. It reflects a lot of

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Speaker 1: problems we have downstream of our diet and more. I

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Speaker 1: hope it's a wake up call for some people and

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Speaker 1: or to take care of their health. But at the

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Speaker 1: very least at this point, like we're in it now,

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Speaker 1: and from this point forward, the obesity rate and you know,

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Speaker 1: the morbigly obesiate rate only continues to go higher. The

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Speaker 1: correlation between the two is just extraordinary. We have children

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Speaker 1: now getting diagnosed with type two diabetes. So listen is

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Speaker 1: you know, we have to attack the health crisis. We

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Speaker 1: also have to cure sick people, or at least give

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Speaker 1: people the ability in order to pay for that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: for if you're a child, you're like twelve years old,

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Speaker 1: you have type two diabetes, like you're signing up for

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Speaker 1: what possibly seven year lifespan. We're gonna need this medication.

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Speaker 1: That's hundreds of thousands of dollars that you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to spend here. And it's ridiculous that only Medicare, which

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Speaker 1: is yes, it's great that Medicare gets a price cabin,

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Speaker 1: Well what about everybody else? Not all us that Medicare? Right,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm thirty years old, Like, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people like me for thirty five years until you

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Speaker 1: ever get to hit that. So what if you get

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Speaker 1: diagnosed with diabetes in your mid forties, which is increasingly

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Speaker 1: happening to a lot of people, specifically obese people. They're

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Speaker 1: on the hook for years and years. It's just terrible.

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Speaker 1: And you know the red state thing, it's a classic situation, right,

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Speaker 1: which is screwing over your own constituents. But unfortunately a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are just not gonna cover the bill.

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Speaker 1: We've spent almost thirty minutes now this morning, Crystal. It

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Speaker 1: takes to be like, yeah, you said, the tax code works,

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Speaker 1: private equity, you get carved out, here's what matters. Same

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Speaker 1: with the exact vote on insulin. It all just gets

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Speaker 1: bundled up and people don't really spend a lot of time.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I think that we spend as much

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Speaker 1: time on it this morning. I think it's important for

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Speaker 1: people to't understand this. Yeah I do too. I do

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Speaker 1: as well. And it is a sad state of affairs.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's just be really clear. Americans are getting

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Speaker 1: price gouged on insulin. The amount of markup is absolutely grotesque.

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Speaker 1: It is more than four times what any other country

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Speaker 1: OECD country in the world is paying for insulin. You

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Speaker 1: see at the bottom the US almost one hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: every other that line at the beginning, that's twenty five

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Speaker 1: dollars every other OECD country price of insulin per unit.

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Speaker 1: All of them are below twenty five and many of

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Speaker 1: them are significantly below twenty five, more at like the

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Speaker 1: ten dollars mark, and we're paying freaking one hundred dollars

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Speaker 1: per unit. Like it truly is grotesque. Is not expensive

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Speaker 1: to manufacture. One thing I want us to talk about

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Speaker 1: on another day is what Gavin Newsom in California is doing.

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Speaker 1: It's very interesting and saying, hey, we're going to as

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Speaker 1: the state of California, we're gonna manufacture our own infuluence

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Speaker 1: so that we're not subject to that, which I think

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Speaker 1: is a very interesting direction something that the Left is

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Speaker 1: looking at pushing for more and more. In addition to

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Speaker 1: like Medicare for all, why don't we also have direct,

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Speaker 1: you know, public manufacturing of some of these generic drugs

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Speaker 1: to compete with the and to try to try to

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Speaker 1: ring out some of this massive price gouging from the

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Speaker 1: pharmaceutical industry, so really just doesn't make any sense. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and talk about foreign affairs. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff that happened in the last couple of days. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: start with China. So the fallout from the Pelosi trip continues.

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Speaker 1: We brought you guys the news that on Thursday, the

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Speaker 1: military exercise is by China in the not around Taiwan

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Speaker 1: by shooting missiles into the water there in a pretty

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Speaker 1: provocative move. In addition, missiles falling into the Japanese Exclusive

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Speaker 1: Economic Zone causing a lot of consternation in Asia on

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Speaker 1: the military front. But some of the fallout on the

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Speaker 1: military side between the US and China is especially troubling.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and put this on the screen. So

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Speaker 1: beyond testing in the Taiwan Defense Zone, Beijing has now

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Speaker 1: both sanctioned Nancy Pelosi, which that doesn't seem to matter

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Speaker 1: as much, but more so is cutting off all talks

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Speaker 1: between the US military and the Chinese military. Now, one

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Speaker 1: of the most important lessons that we learned from the

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Speaker 1: Cold War was to have that ability in order to

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Speaker 1: speak directly, not only leader to leader, but to have

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Speaker 1: military to military discussion at all. Times. In the military business,

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Speaker 1: it's called deconfliction. So what we would have is to

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Speaker 1: avoid any military air collisions and just military notification. We

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Speaker 1: would say, hey, just so you know, we will be

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Speaker 1: having an exercise in ex region, just so you're aware

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Speaker 1: your air foce and more. If they choose to, you know,

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Speaker 1: come around us at that time, that's on you. But

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Speaker 1: it minimizes the chances of some sort of accidental confrontation.

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Speaker 1: And so I mentioned this in our last show. But

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Speaker 1: there's only underscores why I think this is so important.

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Speaker 1: Let's go and put this next one up there on

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Speaker 1: the screen, which is that because of this trip, China

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Speaker 1: is actually now expanding its military drills both in the

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Speaker 1: airspace in the Taiwan Defense Zone in the maritime version

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Speaker 1: on the missiles tests. Obviously at the very same time

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Speaker 1: that they go ahead and cut off our military communications,

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Speaker 1: which again are now reportedly at the highest level. Go

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Speaker 1: to the third one. Please that the top of the Pentagon,

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Speaker 1: the Secretary of Defense tried to call the People's Liberation

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Speaker 1: Army and was rebuffed Crystal. His answer is call. Multiple

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Speaker 1: calls were ignored at all levels of the chain of

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Speaker 1: command by the People's Liberation Army while this was happening.

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Speaker 1: I just want to remind everyone this all happened right

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Speaker 1: before nine to eleven. It was called the Hainan Island incident.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned it a little bit in the last show,

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Speaker 1: got overshot shadowed by nine to eleven. Basically, we had

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Speaker 1: an e I forget exactly what it was, a US

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Speaker 1: reconnaissance aircraft. I think it was in the South China

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Speaker 1: Sea and a Chinese aircraft and he came. He was

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Speaker 1: being very aggressive anyway. That by the way, the facts

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Speaker 1: are very just beputed by China, but I'm just telling

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Speaker 1: you the US side. So the Chinese aircraft basically collides

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Speaker 1: with this, It gets sought in half, the pilot dies,

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Speaker 1: the aircraft is like is very badly a damage. It's

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Speaker 1: forced to land on Hainan Island, which is a Chinese

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Speaker 1: military island, so they land there. Now, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: we're in the middle of full fledged diplomatic crisis. We

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Speaker 1: have like twenty guys, pilots and more who are sitting

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Speaker 1: in China who are basically blaming us. They say it's

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Speaker 1: our fault for both spying on them and then for

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Speaker 1: colliding with this aircraft. They said it was our fault,

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00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: not their pilot's fault. We required a full fledged diplomatic

643
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: crisis by the Bush administration where actually we had to

644
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: come to some sort of fake declaration where the soldiers

645
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: were put on camera and had to sign a statement

646
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: declaring that it was their fault, just to get them

647
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: the hell out of there. And once we eventually did

648
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, they were like, no, actually we didn't do anything. Anyway.

649
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 1: That was two thousand and one. That was a very

650
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: different China, that was at a unipolar moment of the

651
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: United States, and there still were very aggressive and held

652
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: our guys hostage quasi hostage for a little while. Well,

653
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: what has come out of that since the lesson is

654
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: we need to have communication with the PLA to make

655
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Speaker 1: sure that we don't have any of these mid air collisions,

656
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: midship collisions, any sort of aggressive behavior in the China seas,

657
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: because these types of things can escalate to a much

658
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: bigger military confrontation and diplomatic crisis. Think about Francis Gary

659
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: Peters in the Soviet Union. We want to avoid these

660
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: types of situations. Look at Britney Griner right now. We

661
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: want to avoid this stuff at all costs, and so

662
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: for them to cut off military communication with us over

663
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 1: this visit, it's dangerous. And look, there's no I'm not

664
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Speaker 1: a China appeaser. I think anybody who's watched me for

665
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: years would know that I have no problem you know,

666
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: quote unquote standing up to them. My problem with the

667
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: Pelosi trip, as we repeated over and over again, there

668
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: was no strategy behind it. She just simply decided to

669
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 1: go without any of the advice of the military did

670
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: not want her to go, specifically for this reason, the

671
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: Bidamin didn't want her to go. President Biden ultimately didn't

672
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: feel like he had what it took in order to

673
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: basically just say no, you can't go, and then she

674
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: goes over there for no discernible reason and is now

675
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: ignited not only a diplomatic crisis with China, but now

676
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: having military ramifications. I mean, who knows when they're going

677
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: to pick up the phone again, these are important. Another

678
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: thing that we didn't actually cut here, but we had

679
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: to cancel one of our nuclear missile tests in order

680
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: to just say like, hey, don't worry about it, it's

681
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: all good. You know. We had a scheduled minute Man

682
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: two nuclear missile test that was going to take place

683
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: out in California, and part of the reason that it

684
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: was canceled was because the Pentagon chief literally can't get

685
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 1: in touch with the PLA to try and tell them like, hey,

686
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: it's got nothing to do with you, so they would

687
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: just want ahead and cancel the test. So we have

688
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: all kinds of downstream ramifications now that have happened as

689
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: a result of this trip, and the only question is like, Okay,

690
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: was it worth it? Like what exactly was a competence?

691
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: What did you gain? Congratulations? Like you showed that we're strong,

692
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: Like it's so silly. It is really just it was

693
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: an absolutely reckless and foolish move on her part. And

694
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: the fact that it's it was so broadly supported by

695
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: both parties also tells you a lot about where the

696
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: foreign policy consensus in the United States Congresses. And it's

697
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: not just that they've ghosted our Defense secretary and are

698
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: not communicating directly military to military. They also have said

699
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: they are going to stop cooperating in eight different key areas,

700
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 1: some of them that supposedly Nancy Plosid cares a lot about,

701
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: including climate change. So a few of those are not

702
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: only defense but narcotics control, transnational crime, and climate change.

703
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: So listen, the other power in these scenarios always has

704
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: moves that they can make as well. And I also

705
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: think it's very illustrative of the way that the US

706
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: sort of approaches foreign policy in general, because yeah, ultimately,

707
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: like China is very responsible for how they decide to respond,

708
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: and the fact that they're deciding to go, you know,

709
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: over the top up with these wargames of the sort

710
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: that we haven't seen since the nineties, and that they're

711
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: deciding to sort of sanction Taiwan in these specific ways.

712
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: They also decided to directly sanction Nancy Pelosia. I'm not

713
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: going to cry about that one, but and to you know,

714
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: decide not to cooperate in these eight key areas. Of course,

715
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: they ultimately are the ones that made the decision, but

716
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: we can't act like we're blameless here, like this wasn't

717
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: a predictable outcome from her deciding to go when they

718
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: were very clear in saying this is not acceptable to us,

719
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: like this is a red line, This is screwing up

720
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Speaker 1: what you've said you're committed to over decades and decades

721
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: and decades. We don't like it. And we did it anyway.

722
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: So one thing that I have become very concerned about

723
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: in thinking about this, and there's actually a great interview

724
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: with Lyle Goldstein, who's the director of Asia Engagement at

725
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: Defense Priorities that's in Jacobin magazine right now, is I

726
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: really don't know that. Well. I do know the media

727
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: is not doing a good job of laying out just

728
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: how risky this oldultimately is and what a precarious moment

729
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: we're in right now, locked in this proxy war with Russia.

730
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: So we're already thumbing our nose at one great power

731
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: in terms of Russia and directly saying we want to

732
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: defeat them on the battlefield, and continuing to send billions

733
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: of dollars in weapons shipments, adding countries to NATO, all

734
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: of those things. So we're already doing that, and now

735
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: we're basically picking a fight and sort of provoking another

736
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: great power that is, you know, has way more at

737
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: stake in Taiwan, cares way more about Taiwan than we

738
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: ever will. What I like about what you're saying, too,

739
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: is you know that both the Hawks and the Doves agree,

740
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: They're like, this is a lot more dangerous, you know,

741
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: we've had Bridge Colbot abb shout. He is a megahawk

742
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: on Taiwan, and what will he tell you? He's actually

743
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: very against a lot of our Ukraine interventions, specifically before

744
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: this reason. He's like, look, I am only concerned about

745
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: what's happening in the Asia Pacific. I do not believe

746
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: that our military is ready for it. The doves will

747
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: tell you the same thing. There is like a horseshoe

748
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: theory going on where everybody, I think can at least agree.

749
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: I mean, this is really my orientation, which is that

750
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: I think that focusing all of our problems on the

751
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: old World while we basically ignore fifty percent of the

752
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: world gdp out in the middle of Asia. When I

753
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: see the cutoff of communication between US and China. I've

754
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: spoken about it with Russia. It's not even close to

755
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: the same level of stakes. And that's why I just

756
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: the media does a terrible job of communicating what the

757
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: closure of the Taiwan Strait would mean, What closure of

758
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: the Straits of Malacca, Yeah, would mean, What the fall

759
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: of Taiwan would mean for the United States? Like these

760
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: are astronomical, Like you think it's bad to pay a

761
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: dollar fifty more per gas a gallon, like, imagine not

762
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: being able to buy any consumer electronics, Imagine having no

763
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: more cars like imagine literally, I mean also Russia is

764
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: you know you call it a great power. I mean

765
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: it's one tenth probably the military and economic strength of

766
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: the Chinese. Like, we're literally just casually risking nuclear confrontation

767
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: with two countries, significant countries right now. That's insane. I

768
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: mean you just look at the fact that you're like,

769
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: what in the world are you thinking doing that? And yes,

770
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: Pelosi maybe decided to do this on her own, but

771
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: it is a major failure and a huge humiliation honestly

772
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: for Biden. If he didn't want her to go, and

773
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: he couldn't bother to get on the phone with her

774
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: and say do what he needed to do and say

775
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 1: what he needed to say to get her to not go,

776
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: this has completely scrambled their policy. To your point about

777
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: the Cold War, listen, I have a million complaints about

778
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: the way that we operated during the Cold War, But

779
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: there was a strategy, there was thought, There was a

780
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: visceral understanding among the public and among our leaders of

781
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: what the stakes were, what the risks were. There was

782
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: intentional communication, there were intentional ultimately agreements that will come

783
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: to to try to avert the worst of the worst

784
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: potential disasters. Now I just feel like we're just sort

785
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: of bumbling around this thing casually. You know. I feel

786
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: like on a Taiwan let me do that, is that

787
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: in my career, let me go there. There seems to

788
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: be no intentional strategy or real understanding of what the

789
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: stakes and what the risks are, and that scares the

790
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: hell on them. It should scare It's actually, you know,

791
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: Marshall and I are very divergent often, and we were

792
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: talking about this recently on the Realignment, and he was like,

793
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, even you know, from a more hawkish perspective,

794
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: the biggest problem that we have both you know, shared

795
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: with the trip is around exactly what's happening here with

796
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: the lack of strategy and Pelosi's just ad hoc going

797
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: think about the days of the Soviet Union. Would Tip

798
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: O'Neil ever defy Ronald Reagan and just go to the

799
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: Soviet Never, It would never happen. Imagine, because what happened

800
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: is that nineteen forty eight onward George Cannon Wrights NSC

801
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: sixty eight, laying out the strategy of containment. This becomes

802
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: the guiding foreign policy of the United States. Up until

803
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, everybody had their varying degrees on containment.

804
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: Obviously Vietnam was a disaster. Then you know, you had

805
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: like Dayton, then you had rollback, all of these different things,

806
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: but they were within the same framework. We have no

807
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: framework of prioritization, which actually leads us very well into

808
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: our next segment talk about Russia, where we have the

809
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: similar bleedover effects. Why don't we go ahead and get

810
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: to this the weapons segment. This is a fascinating media story,

811
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: policy story. The fact that it's actually not a bigger

812
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: scandal really just tells you a lot exactly about how

813
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: the US media, who they respond to, and what criticism

814
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: they have. So a couple of days ago, CBS News

815
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: committed an active journalism. They both went to Ukraine and researched. Hey,

816
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: these hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons that are

817
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: flowing into Ukraine, tens of billions of it from the

818
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: United States alone. How's that going in Ukraine? Is it

819
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: actually going to the front line where these weapons are needed?

820
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: And here's what they found. Now, keep in mind this

821
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: video is no longer available on the CBS News website,

822
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: and we addictually go to kind of great lengths in

823
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: order to just get a clip of it. But we

824
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: think it's important because remember now they have since taken

825
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: it down and say a criticism from the Ukrainian government

826
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: that they need to do quote more research. Let's take

827
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: a listen to the original segment that they aired. In

828
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: the past two months, we've moved weapons and equipment to

829
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: Ukraine at record speed. Drones, grenade launchers, machine guns. We're

830
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: seeing this incredible historic flow of weapons coming into Ukraine.

831
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 1: Do we have any sense as to where they're going?

832
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: We don't know. There is really no information as to

833
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: where they're going at all. You know, all this stuff

834
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: goes through the border and they're kind of like something happens.

835
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: It kind of like you thirty percent, maybe we just

836
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: since find the destination thirty percent. Are you concerned about

837
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: weapons getting in the wrong hands? I don't care at

838
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: all whether that happens. What sort of a unit do

839
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: you commendine? I can't say. Okay, you know, they're like

840
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: power lords, all the guards, political players. One of the

841
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: biggest targets are convoys like those transporting weapons home. Europeans

842
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: had come to believe that that project of integration had

843
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: effectively meant the banishment of armed force all of a sudden,

844
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: not far from the borders of the EU was the

845
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: most significant war since World War Two? Interesting, right, I

846
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: sure as hell am very interested well. CBS News since though,

847
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: let's put this up there on the screen, has now

848
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: added an editor's note to their store. Here's what they

849
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: say quote. This article has been updated to reflect changes

850
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: since the CBS Reports documentary was filmed. The documentary is

851
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: being updated. James Ohmann says that the delivery has significantly

852
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: improved since filming with CBS in late April. The Government

853
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: of Ukraine notes that the US Defense att Tese Brigadier

854
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Speaker 1: General arrived in Kiev in August twenty twenty two for

855
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: arms control and manufacture or and monitoring. So what they

856
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: point to is that they basically had significant pushback from

857
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: the US military and from the Ukrainian government at the

858
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: airing of this story, so much so that they've gone

859
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: ahead and deleted that segment. Now here's the thing. Why

860
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: did it need to be deleted at all? Whenever they say,

861
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: perhaps it would create a false impression listen. If the

862
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: fact that only thirty percent of the weapons were getting

863
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: there in April, that's a good story too. Yeah, even

864
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: if they have improved, which there's no indication that they have,

865
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: by the way, I mean your recall when the best

866
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: massive aid package passed through Ran Paul said, Hey, guys,

867
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: how about we add an amendment onto this so we

868
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: have an inspector general to keep track of what's going

869
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: on here. And that's voted down in massive bipartisan fashion.

870
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: So there is no actual indication that arms delivery has improved.

871
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: In fact, if anything, there's the opposite. We talked about

872
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: how the Europeans are raising red flags about these weapons

873
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: getting onto the black market. But even if it has improved,

874
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: the fact that it was going so poorly back in April,

875
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean, those weapons are all out there now, so

876
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: that is still an incredibly important story. I when I

877
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: was prepping for this segment yesterday, I went to actually

878
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: watch the documentary because I was like, oh, this is

879
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: really interesting. I want to make sure I have all

880
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: the facts. I want to see what they say and

881
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: have the full context, not just this clip. And when

882
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: I clicked on it just went to like this page,

883
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: not found. I was like, and the fact that I

884
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: hadn't seen any commentary online about it either about like, oh,

885
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: I can't believe they pulled this thing. It was like,

886
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on here? So that's when

887
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: we started digging, and sure enough, it looks like the

888
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: Ukrainian government and the military freaked out and bullied them

889
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: into pulling the whole damn thing. Now, listen, it is

890
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 1: pretty common in media when you have a story that's

891
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: provocative or contentious or disputed or whatever. Yeah, in maybe

892
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: uh editor's note, maybe you put you know, after the fact,

893
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: we got comment here's what they say, here's their side

894
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: of the story. But to pull the whole thing entirely

895
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: is quite extraordinary and definitely not something that they routinely do.

896
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: When it's as long as the narrative fits like the

897
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: sort of like liberal view of the world, it doesn't

898
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: matter if it's blatantly wrong. They'll leave that shit up.

899
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: Of course, was like I said, it's a good story,

900
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: even if it's outdated. Just say, all right, this is

901
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: the state of place, this was the state of play.

902
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: And by the way, that's actually very interesting to me

903
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: because early April is when some of the craziest fighting

904
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: was happening. Remember that was key. That was like the

905
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: Russian military, the pincer movement, the fallback, you know, all

906
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: the way down, and that's when we were rushing shipments

907
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: and like nobody, like literally we've never seen before the

908
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: most decisive moments in the military campaign. We're going to

909
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: be studying that for decades in terms of what exactly happened. So, hey,

910
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: if only thirty percent of the weapons were making it

911
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: to the front line at that time, that's actually quite interesting.

912
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: So they note that this analyst, Joe Jonas Oeman, who

913
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: is a Lithuanian, a Lithuanian military expert, had the founder

914
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: and CEO of an organization that was meeting with supplying

915
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: frontline units, has now since estimated or re estimated what

916
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: exactly that is. But just so you know, he won't

917
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: give you a number. So in April he said thirty

918
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: to forty percent. Today he says the situation is quote

919
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: significantly improved, but he's not giving what are we talking

920
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: We're talking about forty five percent right now? Fifty seventy

921
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: five even if twenty five, I mean twenty five is

922
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: kind of insane, Like, well, we're one fourth of all

923
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: these weapons just going and also I love how they're like.

924
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: The Government of Ukraine now notes that the US defense

925
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: at Tahchet has arrived in Kiev in August twenty twenty

926
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: two for arms control and minro. I'm like, so, okay,

927
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: is he doing anything? So he arrived, Okay, it's August eighth,

928
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: So that means he wasn't there until a week ago.

929
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: So then what was going on in July and June

930
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: and all these other billions of dollars of shipments and

931
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: lo and behold, let's go and throw this up there.

932
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: Of course, we are now reading an additional one billion

933
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: dollars that is headed over to Ukraine, one of the

934
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: largest so far. It's munitions for long range weapons and

935
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: armored vehicle transfer vehicles, exactly by the way, what he

936
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: was showing in that documentary. So you know, in a way,

937
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: I do applaud this guy, this journalist, for taking on

938
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: this task. It takes an extraordinary amount of courage, knowing

939
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: how much pushback you're going to get in the current environment.

940
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I mean they

941
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: went ahead and folded. I think it's I think it's

942
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: crazy because, as you said, I mean, there's no outrage

943
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: around this at all. This is a legitimate act of

944
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: journalism which the government and our military and their military

945
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: pushed back so hard that they have deleted basically like

946
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: like disappeared the entire thing. I wonder if if these

947
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: news outlets pulled their like ghost of Kiev stories that turnout,

948
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: But what point did the Ukrainian And also remember, I mean, listen,

949
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: it is very difficult to cover a war when you

950
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: know you're kind of dependent on what the government's involved

951
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: or telling you. In fact, we are more dependent for

952
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: and understand the Ukrainian side, on the Ukrainian government than

953
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: we are on the Russian side, because with the Russian side,

954
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: we have intelligence assets, we have a well developed program

955
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: to figure out what is the discrepancy between what they're

956
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: saying and what the reality is, you know, and put

957
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: your deep state spin on that or whatever. On the

958
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 1: Ukrainian side, we didn't have any of those assets developed,

959
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: so we're more dependent on just whatever the Ukrainian like

960
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: official line is, and the Times, the Post whatever they

961
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: report this stuff often as if it is outright fact

962
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: that goes unchallenged. But the minute there's a narrative that

963
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, challenges whether the Ukrainians are, whether this is

964
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: how this is all going, whether Ukrainians are as the

965
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: government as perfect and noble as they're sort of presented

966
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 1: in the press and Zelensky the hero and all that stuff.

967
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: Then they come in and they completely completely freak out.

968
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: It is incredibly revealing. It's very upsetting. We're going to

969
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 1: continue to try and track this, but look, at the

970
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: end of the day, the story was spot on in

971
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 1: terms of we don't know what the hell is going

972
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: on over there. And you know, listen, I can say

973
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: that the Ukrainian cause is far more just. That doesn't

974
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: mean that you shouldn't have some accountability. They would be nowhere,

975
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: they'd be their government would be gone, and their country

976
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: would be dead. We're literally without us, So don't we

977
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: get some sort of a say about what happens with

978
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: our weapons? And let's say this, if it was the

979
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: first time that something like this had happened, you could

980
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: be forgiven. Right. It's nineteen eighty six. The Soviet unions

981
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: fight and you're like, hey, these guys lessons, Yeah, these Afghans,

982
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: they could guys, you know, they're just fighting the Soviets

983
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: anti communism, we say, hey, all right, you know we're

984
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: gonna shit, And it was any Stinger missiles end up

985
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: in the hands of some bad dudes and end up

986
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: being used in the Civil War and the Taliban, and

987
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: we lose all this military equipment. And it's nineteen ninety

988
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: and we're like, all right, you know what we're going

989
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: to learn our lesson that happened before I was born, right,

990
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: And we keep doing it, the same thing over and

991
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: over again. Afghanistan, then Siria, I mean Iraq. Obviously I

992
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: can't even forget that one. Afghanistan, Iraq, then Libya, then Syria,

993
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: then now this. It's like, when will we ever learn

994
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: our lesson? This? As the Rand Paul thing? One inspector?

995
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: Do you know how much we have learned from the

996
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: Special Inspector General of Afghan Reconstruction, That guy John Sopp,

997
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: He's a hero. I mean the amount of corruption in America,

998
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 1: the US and Afghan side that he exposed for decades.

999
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: If you read those, you knew it Kabbo was gonna fall.

1000
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: That's why it in surprised me at all whenever it happened.

1001
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: The Soviet Afghan lesson is also instructive because part of

1002
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: The reason that we threw in with the groups that

1003
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: we did was because they were the most They were

1004
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: the sort of most ruthless, so that made them the

1005
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 1: most effective in terms of our cause. We also trusted

1006
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: the Pakistanis to tell us who we should be funneling

1007
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: weapons to. But you know, I'm also interested in the

1008
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: part of the documentary that they he's there, where they've

1009
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: got the guy saying he's not going to tell you

1010
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: what type of unit he's in charge of. You know,

1011
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: I want to know more about that guy. I want

1012
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: to know more about what's going on there and who

1013
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: exactly these weapons are going to. But it's it's pretty

1014
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: extraordinary that this got pulled and there was nary a

1015
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: peep about it. And this was a massive expenditure of resources,

1016
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: yes news, to put reporters on the ground and get

1017
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: all this footage. Very dangerous. I mean, journalists, I'm sure

1018
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: put their lives at risk in order to get this footage.

1019
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: You could see it literally it was in the line

1020
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: of fire. Anytime you have you know, journalists on the

1021
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: ground in a war zone, this is not just you know,

1022
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: you're there on your own figuring and I know there's

1023
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: a whole team around you and fixers that are involved.

1024
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a very elaborate, costly dangerous process

1025
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: to gather this footage, and now it's disappeared, and I

1026
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: wonder you think they're going to update it and put

1027
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: it back up again. Now I get so that is

1028
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: just dead for us. I do think they're going to

1029
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: have to update it just because well, now that we'll

1030
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: have done a segment on it, I'm just going to

1031
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: assume some others we'll probably going to pick up on it.

1032
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, look it is certainly revealing. Yes, Okay,

1033
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: let's go to the next part of this, which is NATO.

1034
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: We didn't have space in our Thursday show, but we

1035
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: did want to make sure we updated everybody on the vote.

1036
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: The Senate did go ahead and vote on adding Sweden

1037
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: and Finland and is NATO ninety five to one. One

1038
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: Senator was opposed, Senator Josh Holly, who had written about

1039
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: that in the National Interest previously. Senator Ran Paul voted present.

1040
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: So this is an interesting revealing little vote here around

1041
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: actually everything. So I'll go ahead and shred everybody who's

1042
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: first of all, we actually did know. I mean, look,

1043
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: it's like I said, cars on the table. But I'll

1044
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: try and do my best to present both sides the argument.

1045
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: I was against adding Sweden and Finland to NATO, specifically

1046
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: because I think that NATO expansion played a significant role

1047
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: in shaping modern Russia to the point where they did

1048
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 1: invade Ukraine. Russians have agency. It's not one hundred percent

1049
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: our fault. Please don't interpret anything that I'm saying. That

1050
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: being said as our China segment. Actions have consequences. Understanding

1051
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: the history of Russia, the Russian state, exactly how they

1052
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: felt post collapse of the Soviet Union, the rise of

1053
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: Putin and why exactly is popular is interesting. No, you

1054
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: should try and understand the other guy and the other

1055
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: side are interesting. It's essential. Well, yeah, Mesha in his powers,

1056
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: their red lines, what are they? We should know that

1057
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: and we should understand. Yeah, you can say like, I

1058
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: think that's indefensible, but you should just be like, I

1059
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: understand that this is a red line for them. Okay,

1060
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: So let's understand that. Then with Sweden and Finland, they

1061
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: historically did not want to join NATO. Both have been

1062
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: invaded by the Soviet Union in Russian Empire many times

1063
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: in the past. However, the invasion of Ukraine, said that

1064
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Speaker 1: they pushed them over the edge. They wanted to go

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Speaker 1: ahead and to join. So this, as we noted, I

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Speaker 1: think we were owed a real debate, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: we did not actually get one. We had great debates

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Speaker 1: in this country in the past in terms of foreign entanglements,

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Speaker 1: all the way back to John Quincy Adams, the invention

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Speaker 1: of the Monroe doctrine we shall not go abroad, or

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00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: there's George Washington, we shall not go abroad in search

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Speaker 1: of monsters to destroy. There's always been a long history

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Speaker 1: and debate over how exactly we engage, specifically with the

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Speaker 1: European powers, been embroiled with them since the seventeen hundreds,

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Speaker 1: and with NATO. It harkened back to some of the

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Speaker 1: original ones, like Wilson in his fourteen points in the

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Speaker 1: Treaty of Versailles. I mean, there was a massive campaign

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Speaker 1: in this country after we lost two hundred thousand troops

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Speaker 1: supposedly for peace in our time in Europe and more

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Speaker 1: of our peace forever, the or to end all wars

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Speaker 1: and the enlightenment, you know, bringing on this new age.

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00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: And ultimately it was defeated, and that was really the

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Speaker 1: harbinger of a lot of isolationism, of a change on

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00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 1: the European continent of You know, many of the points

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00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: that Lodge raised actually were quite salient and did end

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00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: up coming true. But my point is is that we

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00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: got the debate here. We didn't get the debate at all.

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Speaker 1: And I got to say, also with Rand, Paul and

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Speaker 1: also Mike Lee, supposedly a libertarian isolation Rand, if you're

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00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 1: against it, vote against it, man, like don't vote voting vote.

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Speaker 1: It's such a lame move. I'm just gonna say, it's

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00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: so lame. It's one of those things where take a stand. Man.

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Speaker 1: If you're willing to take a stand in arms control, fine, Holly,

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Speaker 1: I personally, I would say, to his credit, did vote

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Speaker 1: against the bill. He gave it what it is. Rationale

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Speaker 1: on the floor. Let's take a listen. Some say we

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00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: can't beat China by retreating from the rest of the world.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not arguing for retreat and I'm not arguing

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Speaker 1: for isolation. What I am arguing for is an end

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Speaker 1: to the globalist foreign policy that has led our nation

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00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: from one disaster to another for decades. Now, what I

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00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: am arguing for is the return to a classic nationalist

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00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: approach to American foreign policy, the one that made this

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00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: country great, a foreign policy that is grounded in our

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00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 1: nation's interests and in the reality of the world as

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Speaker 1: it is, not as we wish it was, or not

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Speaker 1: as we once hoped it would be. I don't disagree

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Speaker 1: with the word of that. That being said, yeah, there

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00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: was an objection, especially from Senator Cotton, who himself is

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Speaker 1: a Hawk, but actually did point out some hypocrisy on Hollyopark.

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00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: As I said, I'm going to be fair to all sides,

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Speaker 1: he says, quote it would be strange, indeed, for any

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Speaker 1: senator who voted to allow Montenegro or North Macedonia into

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Speaker 1: NATO to then turn our and deny membership to Finland

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Speaker 1: and Sweden is kind of I would love to hear

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00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: the defense of such a curious vote. And actually, as

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00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: Cotton points out, Montenegro in North Macedonia are far less

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Speaker 1: strong additions to the NATO Alliance in terms of their

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00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: military capability, their strategic importance to the United States. You

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Speaker 1: know why they should be in the alliance at all. Personally,

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00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: I would say all for shouldn't be in the alliance,

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00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: but I think that's a good point. So well, and listen,

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Speaker 1: if Holly came out and said, you know, actually I

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have taken that vote, and here's what I've learned

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Speaker 1: from Russia's invade, and here's why I look at the

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Speaker 1: world differently than you know. Listen, people can change in

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Speaker 1: the And he didn't actually read I read his op

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Speaker 1: ed and his speech, and he did not and he

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Speaker 1: did he didn't address it. So I think that's a

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Speaker 1: fair point from Cotton. You know what. I'm so Holly

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Speaker 1: is presenting the sort of like right wing chinahawk view

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Speaker 1: of why this is a bad move. So my view

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00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: and Holly's view the world are not the same. What

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Speaker 1: I'm sad to see missing from this debate is the

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Speaker 1: left wing case against this, which is as you said,

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, what we have been engaged in very

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00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: casually in terms of NATO expansion, with little debate and

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00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: little thought, did play a role in exacerbating the Russian

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Speaker 1: paranoia that leads to them invading Ukraine. That doesn't take

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Speaker 1: agency away from Putin, but it does say we need

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Speaker 1: to understand how our adversaries are viewing our actions, and

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Speaker 1: then you know, take that into consideration when we are

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Speaker 1: moving forward with our own foreign policy. The fact that

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00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: there was so little debate in the media on the floor,

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Speaker 1: that there was so little descent, it really is deeply troubling.

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Speaker 1: I do think it is part of this broader trend

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00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: of anti populist sentiment, meaning that we don't trust the

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Speaker 1: people to be handed, you know, this information and to

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00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: really understand the risks and the benefits and the trade

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Speaker 1: offs because they are many and it is a plex debate.

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Speaker 1: We don't have the media apparatus in place to really

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Speaker 1: help educate the citizenry about what the costs and the

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00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: trade effs are. And so we as a handful of elites,

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00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: are just going to decide on something that is incredibly,

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Speaker 1: incredibly consequential and significant, and you know, in the off

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Speaker 1: chance that we are called through Article five to defend

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Speaker 1: these countries, is going to have a very direct impact

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Speaker 1: on the American people. So that's a part of this

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Speaker 1: that I find really really the most troubling is that

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Speaker 1: this was just presented from the beginning. We covered, you know,

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Speaker 1: the media coverage of this from the beginning was that

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Speaker 1: this was a FATA complete, it was a done deal.

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Speaker 1: There's no need to even talk about it. It was celebrated,

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Speaker 1: it was cheerleaded. There was never any sort of critical

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Speaker 1: look at Okay, but what might the cost be, what

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Speaker 1: might the trade offs be, what might the risk be?

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Speaker 1: How might our adversaries view this as well? Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying. And also, I mean, as Holly

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Speaker 1: you correctly knows, Lindsweden do not even hit two percent

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Speaker 1: of their GDP spending on national defense, so they one

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Speaker 1: has committed to do so, the other one promises that

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Speaker 1: they will, but they are not enshrining that into their

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Speaker 1: constitution anytime soon. And I'm just saying, you know, if

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Speaker 1: we're going to nuke a country on your behalf, maybe

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Speaker 1: just step up just a little bit, given that you

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Speaker 1: actually share a border with them. And Glenn Greenwald also

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Speaker 1: points out specifically what you're saying. Let's ahead and put

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Speaker 1: this up there on the screen. Bernie does not even

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Speaker 1: pretend anymore to have anything resembling a left wing foreign

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01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: policy or minimal divergence from the neochondriven democratic foreign policy dogma.

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Speaker 1: Opposing NATO expansion was long a mainstream liberal view. Now

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Speaker 1: only Holly and Paul will get near it, which is yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think he's right. The fact that he

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Speaker 1: did vote for this, and you know, this is what

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Speaker 1: you would expect from him, is at least give a justification.

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Speaker 1: But Crystal, I looked, I have not seen a single

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Speaker 1: justification on his part for casting this vote. It is

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Speaker 1: a major departure from a traditional left wing foreign policy,

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Speaker 1: of which he would have espoused even during Russiagate, even

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Speaker 1: in the insanity of Russiagate, when he was buying into

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Speaker 1: some of it, he would at least put I remember,

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Speaker 1: he put in some arms control language, into various deals,

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Speaker 1: you know, regarding military cooperation and more. All of that

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Speaker 1: seems to be gone at this current moment. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's too far to say that, like, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have any semblance of a left wing foreign policy

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Speaker 1: at this point. You know, he's been a critic on

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Speaker 1: certainly Israel policy in a way that's been uncomfortable spoken

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Speaker 1: out on Yemen and Saudi Arabia. So to just say

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Speaker 1: the whole thing is just gone, I don't think it's fair.

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01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: But on this, I mean, there's no doubt on this

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Speaker 1: issue that there was nobody, there wasn't a single voice

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Speaker 1: on the left articulating any of what we're saying here

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Speaker 1: is I think it's a I just think it's a

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Speaker 1: disservice to the country that we didn't have that view percented,

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Speaker 1: that we don't have any representatives on the left who

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Speaker 1: were willing to carry that view, and that there also

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01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: has been so precious little consideration of the massive armshipments

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Speaker 1: that we've continued to send to Ukraine without an inspector general,

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Speaker 1: with a lot of questions about where the weapons are going,

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Speaker 1: with a lot of questions about what the strategy ultimately

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Speaker 1: is and where it's going to lead. I remember early on,

1213
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Speaker 1: remember ilhan Omar said something to the effect of like, hey,

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Speaker 1: we should just like slow down and maybe have a

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Speaker 1: debate about this, and she was vilified, I mean just

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01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: trashed by absolutely everyone for daring to say, let's slow

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Speaker 1: down a little bit and think about what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: So I guess they very effectively called them. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: just going to tie in for those who are watching

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Speaker 1: this as clips. In our previous clip, we talked about

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Speaker 1: how the US had a strategy in the Cold War

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Speaker 1: and the reason why that mattered is it was bipartisan

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't the type of bipartisanship we have today,

1224
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: where it was foisted upon and governed as elite, it

1225
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: was actually sold to the American people. So one of

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Speaker 1: the histories of the Marshall Plan and of the post

1227
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Speaker 1: Cold War strategy is the government and the Truman administration

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Speaker 1: went on a massive public information campaign to say, we

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Speaker 1: know you just spent your sons and daughters to Europe.

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Speaker 1: Four hundred thousand of us are dead. Here's why, here's

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01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: how we're going to use your billions your money in

1232
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: order to rebuild Europe. Why we think it is better

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01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: for the United States and for peace in our world.

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Speaker 1: And the public said, all right, I support you, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We're on board. On nineteen forty nine, only seventeen percent

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Speaker 1: of the American public was against the Marshall Plan. Do

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Speaker 1: you see such a case being made today on Taiwan,

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01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: on China? Listen, I mean, I can make a case here,

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01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: but we're not talking to the entire US popular. I

1240
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: wish we were, but the government and the president have

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01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 1: that capability, and yet they don't do so. So even

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Speaker 1: to my friends who are in the neoliberal establishment or

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01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: may support such a thing, fine, but you need to

1244
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: make a case to people otherwise you actually you do

1245
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: great harm and risk to the alliance should an attack come,

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Speaker 1: and then there actually is a debate at that time,

1247
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Speaker 1: and if you don't defend somebody on that then it

1248
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 1: does actually call into questions like London, Berlin, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's why just Willing Nelly doing these things

1250
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Speaker 1: without consideration for what the democratic small de democratic fallout

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Speaker 1: will be if you have and do make a mistake. Yeah,

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01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: given them, you have no trust. We live in a

1253
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: zero trust society. Our elites have never had less credibility.

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Speaker 1: I actually encourage people. As a book called The Wise Men,

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01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: Six Friends in the World They Made was written by

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Speaker 1: Evan Thomas and Walter Isaacson, points exactly what I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about about the architecture both not only at the elite level,

1258
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Speaker 1: but how the public was engaged in the post Cold

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Speaker 1: War order and people believed in it, and there was

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Speaker 1: a debate, and there was act I mean, remember there

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01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: was all this controversy were China and more, and then

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Speaker 1: George Marshall made the case to the American people and anyway,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we had hearings and they were tealibised, and

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Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of Americans would watch them and they

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Speaker 1: weren't familiar with them, and that age has just gone. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean you even think pre Cold War with FDR

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Speaker 1: and fireside chats in during the New Deal, and also

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Speaker 1: in the build up to the World War too, because

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Speaker 1: post World War One there was huge isolationist sentiment in

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Speaker 1: the United States that had to be overcome in order

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Speaker 1: to go and fight World War Two along with our allies.

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Speaker 1: And so he really took this level of sort of

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Speaker 1: measure of respect to the American people of inviting them

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Speaker 1: in and really walking them Here's what I'm thinking, and

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01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:07,959
Speaker 1: here's what we're doing. Here's what our needs are, Here's

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Speaker 1: what I need you to do. So that it wasn't

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Speaker 1: you know, this voice from on high, this is what

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01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: we're doing, and everybody get better, get on board, and

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01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: there's no other option here. It really was meant to

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Speaker 1: be a sort of ongoing conversation with the American people

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01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: about what the needs were and where we were going

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Speaker 1: to bring them along and directly make the case. Don't

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Speaker 1: see that anymore. Yeah, not at all, And do not

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Speaker 1: fool yourself. These are immensely, immensely consequential decisions which are

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Speaker 1: being made casually and with no input from the American people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right, all right, we wanted to get to this

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Speaker 1: is this is actually very interesting. So obviously, in the

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Speaker 1: wake of being overturned, one of the things that came

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Speaker 1: out of that is Justice Thomas in his concurrence wrote that, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what, some of these other decisions that we're

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Speaker 1: accepting as like, oh, this is president, they should also

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Speaker 1: be overturned. He specifically name checked the gay marriage decision,

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Speaker 1: and he also checked the right to contraception decision. And

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01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: so Democrats eventually, after they spent a few weeks sort

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01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: of spinning their wheels and not doing much of anything

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01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: and not really having a play, and have decided, hey,

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Speaker 1: maybe some of these rights that they put on the table,

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01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:15,919
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't fumble the ball this time the way

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Speaker 1: that we did with Row. Maybe this time we actually

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01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: should try to codify them. And at the very least

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01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: we'll put Republicans on the spot and show how dissonant

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Speaker 1: they are, how much distance there is between their position

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01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: and where the American people are. So gay marriage in

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01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 1: particular has been a big question mark. The bill to

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01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: codify gay marriage at the federal level passed through the

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01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: House with some Republican support. I think it was about

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Speaker 1: maybe a quarter of the caucus that voted for it,

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01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: which I guess you could look at it as like, oh,

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01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: that's a lot of Republicans, or you could look at

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01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: it as like that's kind of pathetic. Then only a

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01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: quarter of the caucus ultimately voted for a gay marriage.

1312
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's where that is big question mark whether

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01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,919
Speaker 1: or not this thing can get through the Senate. Of course,

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01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: it requires sixty votes. That means you need Republicans on board,

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01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: which is you know, a significant number. Right now, you're

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01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: at about five Republicans who have publicly said yeah, we

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01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: would go ahead and support it. So anyway, Senator Graham,

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01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: who you know would be among those who would be

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01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: voting for codify gay marriage, was pressed on his views

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Speaker 1: on the issue and gave got very uncomfortable with the

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Speaker 1: line of questioning. Let's take a listen to what he said,

1322
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: gay marriage. At least that is what Rob Portman wants.

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Speaker 1: He's trying to get enough votes to codify same sex

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Speaker 1: marriage because Justice Clarence Thomas suggested that it might be

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Speaker 1: in jeopardy. You said two weeks ago that the state

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Speaker 1: by state approach is the best way to go. So

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Speaker 1: I just want to be clear about your position. Are

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Speaker 1: you saying that the twenty fifteen Supreme Court decision that

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01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: made same sex marriage the law of the land nationally

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01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: should be overturned. No, I am saying that. I don't

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01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: think is going to be a returned nor should it be. Well,

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01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 1: you know that'd be of course, the reasoning I think

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01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: could be attacked. But the point I'm trying to make

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01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: is I've been consistent. I think states should decide the

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01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 1: issue of marriage, and state should decide the issue of abortion.

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Speaker 1: I have respect for South Carolina. South Carolina voters here

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01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: I trust to define marriage and to deal with the

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01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: issue of abortion, not nine people on the court. That's

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01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: my view. How far down should that? I mean, how

1340
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: wide should that go? How many more issues should they go?

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01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: For example, Loving versus Virginia that allowed interracial marriage. That

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01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't be touched. No, here's the point. We're talking about

1343
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 1: things that are not happening because you don't want to

1344
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: talk about inflation, you don't want to talk about crime.

1345
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: This is all politics, my friends. Instead of trying to

1346
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: solve problems like understated with people having guns, we're talking

1347
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: about constitutional decisions that are still in effect. But if

1348
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: you're going to ask me to have the federal government

1349
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: take over defining marriage, I'm going to say no. Wow,

1350
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: getting a little bit dicey, Yeah, I mean there's a

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01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: few things to note there. I mean, first of all,

1352
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: when she goes down the path of okay, interracial marriage,

1353
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 1: so that'd be left to the states, he doesn't have

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01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: an answer. He has to dodge and just say we

1355
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: should really just be talking about inflation. This was also

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01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: one of the critiques Levy to Justice Thomas when he

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01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: wrote that concurrence, which is interesting that you don't if

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01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: you extend his logic, it also would apply to Loving

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01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: versus Virginia in a very similar way, and that was

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01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: conveniently left off the table because, of course, at this

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01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 1: point it would be you know, for most of America,

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01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: would really be abhorrent to say, oh, we should let

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01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: the states decide whether interracial marriage. Well what so. What

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01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: I actually found even more curious about that is that

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01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 1: he kept going after the Court and we're like, we're

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01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: not talking about the Court, dude, We're talking about the Senate,

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Speaker 1: where you're actually a member. And he represents South Carolina exactly.

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Speaker 1: So what are you going to do on behalf of

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01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: South Carolina? It's nothing, man. I'd also say that well

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Speaker 1: if you but also if you think that the South

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Speaker 1: Carolina state would vote in order to codify gay marriage,

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Speaker 1: then as a senator from South Carolina, why wouldn't you

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01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: just vote for it? Then? Right? This is Look, this

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01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: exposes a lot of the problems that and it also

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01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 1: does show you they're putting them in a very tough

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01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: position on these votes. And actually, I mean, I think

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01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: it is actually a very smart political move. It's interesting too,

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01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: because you know, in terms of the politics, this is

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01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: going to be a real tough one because it does

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01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: look like a majority of Republicans are probably going to

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01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: vote against it. However, there is a lobbying campaign on

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01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: the inside. Let's go ahead and put this up there

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01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: on the screen. Senator Tammy Baldwin, who herself is gay,

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01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: is actually one of the people who is lobbying hard

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01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: fellow Republicans and actually to try and vote for the bill.

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Speaker 1: The most surprising one really to me so far was

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01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 1: Senator Ron Johnson, who is from Wisconsin, her home state colleague,

1388
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:48,560
Speaker 1: but beyond that, publicly had said that he would publicly

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01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: has been very iffy on whether he was going to

1390
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 1: support this or not. He came out and said that

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01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: he would vote for it. Now he is citing his

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01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: friendship with his colleague and all that. I think it

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01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: has to do. He's up for reelection to state. This

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01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: is Wisconsin, this is not Alabama. You know, it's not

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01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: an evangelical state. Yes, there's a Catholic population, but the

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01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: Trump voters in those states are far more likely to

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01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: be pro choice even than the median GOP voter. Sorry

1398
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: I said pro choy. Well, actually pro choice is not

1399
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: a terrible proxy for these types of things. But if

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01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: you look at it, you know, especially in that regard

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01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: Senator Johnson and outside of the you know, the people

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01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: like Susan Collins and Murkowski who are already on the

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01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: record and kind of long been for this, they really

1404
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: do have the opportunity, Crystal, to get to the ten votes.

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01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: Right now. They have Rob Portman of Ohio. I think

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01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: his son is gay. That was I remember that being

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01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: yeah thing, Yeah, he was I think the first one

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01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: to say that he would sign on, right, Lisa mccowski,

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01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: Susan Collins, but also Tom Tillis of North Carolin that's

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01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: also an interesting one. And remember this Senator Tillo's actually

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01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: just won reelection, so it's not like he's doing this

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01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: for a political benefit. Or maybe he is, because I

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01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 1: mean didn't Obama win North Carolina in two thousand and eight.

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01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a red state. It was it was

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01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: defined today, Yeah, exactly, it's it's not a thirty plus

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01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: Republican state, right, And I think that's the way to

1417
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 1: say it. So when these guys who are in these

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01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: in these states where you're only winning by plus three,

1419
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: plus five, even up to plus seven, they're in a

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01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: bit of a difficult spot. And it's actually gonna be interesting.

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01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Rubio came out and said that

1422
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: it was a stupid vote in order to be taking

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01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 1: But listen, I mean, it's not like Florida is. It's

1424
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: not it's like the reddest state in the world. I'm

1425
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,839
Speaker 1: not saying that Republicans aren't winning right now. It's probably

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01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: anywhere between R plus three and R plus five. But

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Speaker 1: I would be fascinated actually to look at the polling

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Speaker 1: in the state of Florida. I haven't seen anything by

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01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis who said anything about this either on the

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01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: state level, which also is usually I think he's very

1431
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: much at the forefront of these things, and he's a

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01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 1: good you know, like t leave reader. That's how these

1433
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: things are going to play. And he hasn't said a

1434
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: damn word good barometer. Yeah, I mean, it's a good

1435
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: thing to track. Some seventy percent of Americans at this

1436
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Speaker 1: point support gay marriage. Yes, So if you are opposed

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01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 1: to this, you who are very much out of step

1438
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: with where the American people are. And as you said,

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01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: even if they managed to cobble together ten Republicans to

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01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: get this thing across the finish line, you still have

1441
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: the overwhelming bulk of the caucus voting against where the

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01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: majority of the American people are. And this is one

1443
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 1: where you know, at this point most people have accepted

1444
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: they they know lots of gay people, they know people

1445
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: who are married who are gay. They know, you know,

1446
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 1: this is part of their family, part of their friend circle,

1447
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 1: part of their community. And so to have this be

1448
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,879
Speaker 1: such a difficult issue for the Republicans at this point

1449
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: is really very telling. So the senators who have said

1450
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: they're on board right now are Susan Collins, Rob Portman,

1451
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: Lisa Murkowski, Tom Tillis, and Ron Johnson. Tammy Baldwin, who

1452
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: as you said, is kind of leading the outreach here

1453
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: to Republicans, has said that privately at least five other

1454
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 1: Republicans have given her assurances they will also support the

1455
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 1: bill when this is brought to the floor sometime after

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01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: Labor Day. And we also act just got the news

1457
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: this morning that Schumer is saying we're going to bring

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01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: this to the floor in September. So it really is, uh,

1459
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: there's some trauma around this because a private assurance is

1460
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: very different than going on the record in the press

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01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: with the media and saying I'm there. And there's also

1462
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: a question of, you know, and this gets into the

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01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: sum of the sentate mechanics, will they also be on

1464
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: board with the vote to bring it to the floor

1465
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: to get it past cloture or would they just be

1466
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: on board with if it gets to the floor, then

1467
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: I guess I'll ultimately vote for it. It has clearly

1468
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 1: put Republicans in a very difficult spot, and the Ruvio

1469
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: excuse is to me so silly and so transparent, Like, Okay,

1470
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: let's say you really think this is a waste of time,

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01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: even though you have a Supreme Court justice out there

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01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 1: right now saying, actually, I think we should overturn this.

1473
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: But it's not like you saying you're not going to

1474
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: vote for it is going to keep it from coming

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01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: to the floor. So all right, just don't focus on it,

1476
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,719
Speaker 1: cast your vote, say yes, and move on to focus

1477
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: on whatever the things are that you you think you

1478
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: should focus on. Not to mention the Senate waste time

1479
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,560
Speaker 1: on all kinds of dumb bullshit all the time. I

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01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 1: was gonna say, so, if Republicans controlled the floor, then

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Speaker 1: I guess you could make a time argument. Yeah, But

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01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: they don't. So it's like now you're just Now you're

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01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: just a senator who's in the minority. You're just I mean,

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01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: it's just very we You can tell it's Weasley. You

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01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 1: can tell they're trying to dodge same thing with Lindsay

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01:15:19,240 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: Graham and that thought that we showed he doesn't want

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01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: to answer directly. He doesn't want to say directly what

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01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 1: he thinks about it. He doesn't want to say directly

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01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 1: like how this relates to other Supreme Court decisions like

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01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,799
Speaker 1: interracial marriage. And we saw this after row two. The

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01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: best argument they could come up with was like, oh,

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01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: we should leave it to the states to decide. But

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01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: then you add a lot of people giving up the

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01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: game and also pushing for a federal ban on the portion,

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01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: which is the opposite of leaving it to the states side.

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01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: And also it just did and then they shut their

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01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: mouths and then they're like, oh, maybe we shouldn't leave

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01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 1: it to the states to decide. It's not like it

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01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 1: wasn't predictable, but some of us tried to tell you. Indeed, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about our favorite had to this has been

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01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 1: just sticking in my crass all weekend. Let's go ahead

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01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: and put this up there on the screen. Liz Cheney,

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01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: her primary is coming up. She's cast to lose in

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01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: a historic degree. But she's going out with a bang

1505
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 1: in terms of being feted by the national press. And

1506
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: this time the national press. Look at the language they use.

1507
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 1: The one minute ad landed with a bang on social media.

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01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: Dick Cheney excoriates Trump in an ad for his daughter.

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01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: Here's what mister Cheney says, in our nation's two hundred

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01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 1: and forty six history, there has never been an individual

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01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: that was a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump.

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01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: That's how he opens, he opens the ad, he goes

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01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: and he casts it and says that is why Wyoming

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01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: voters of which he used to represent, should come out

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01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: and vote for Dick Cheney. And this led to some

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01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: of the worst and most cringe praisal that exists, both

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01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 1: by MSNBC. We have a clip. Let's take a listen,

1518
01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 1: right progressive saying yesterday to me, I love Cheney. Now

1519
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: it's frying people seeing us. They don't know, they don't

1520
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,839
Speaker 1: know how to process what they're what they're seeing right now, Okay,

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01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: I mean, do we have to state the obvious? Like,

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01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: first of all, I can think of a few individuals

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01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: who are greater threats to the republic. But this is

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01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 1: just the problem with the entire Trump era, like broke

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01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: everybody's brain. No, guys, actually, Dick Cheney and George w

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01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: No matter by the way, no matter what you think

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01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: of Trump, literally, no matter what, we're obviously way worse

1528
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: from an authoritarian perspective. How about just even on the

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01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: metric because the pushback from the Liz well, they didn't

1530
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: try to steal an election. No they didn't try. They succeeded.

1531
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:37,719
Speaker 1: They actually did it in two thousands through a country

1532
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: called Iraq, which is really bad and like I'll end

1533
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: it our time. I mean, when you think of our

1534
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: trajectory of national decline, you could place it with a

1535
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 1: few people. But there's a pretty strong case to be

1536
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: made for Bush, the tax cuts for the wealthy, the

1537
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: Iraq War, the financial collapse, I mean, all of that happens,

1538
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: not to mention and people sometimes I mean Katrina and

1539
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 1: the complete failure of that response, which really, I mean

1540
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: was a moral out, I mean just devastating in terms

1541
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: of the lives loss and the families that were destroyed

1542
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: and the communities that were I mean, it was horrific.

1543
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: And it also I think nationally really scarred us in

1544
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: terms of our own confidence about our government's ability to

1545
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 1: show up and perform in these situations. So yeah, I

1546
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 1: can think of a few people who were a greater

1547
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 1: threat and actually created much much worse harm. And that's

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01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:31,799
Speaker 1: not to whitewash the Trump era whatsoever and how horrible

1549
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 1: he was. But for this dude to come out and

1550
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 1: lecture give me a break. To Willie Guy's point there

1551
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: about like, oh, progressives are confused to the extent that

1552
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,680
Speaker 1: they're confused, Like you have your network to blame y

1553
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: because you all are the ones who elevated all these

1554
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: people and like as long as they were opposed to

1555
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: Trump and now suddenly their heroes and giving Nicole Wallace

1556
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: like you know, primetime slots and all of that stuff.

1557
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 1: Like you all are the ones who created that confusion

1558
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: and didn't make it so that people could understand like

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01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: Bush and Cheney and those that crew were bad and

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01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: actually helped pave the way directly to Trump. And yes,

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01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 1: Trump is also bad. That is not a hard thing

1562
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 1: to understand. It did not have to break people's brains.

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01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: You all did that yractually. And also it's like, oh,

1564
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: this is a powerful message from a Republican. I'm like, guys,

1565
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,839
Speaker 1: if you cannot at this point in American politics understand

1566
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: that Dick Cheney is not a mainstream Republican, Like what

1567
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 1: profession are you in? Like why are you lying to people?

1568
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: And when Liz Cheney loses by historic degree in the

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01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 1: Wyoming primary, now they're saying that she's going to be

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01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: running for like Wyoming. They're like, this may be Liz

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01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: Cheney heads for a loss, but she's not done. It's like, okay,

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01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,280
Speaker 1: what's next. She says she's going to be a Republican.

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01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 1: By the way. She also came out and said she

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01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't even support Ron de Sandis. I'm like, okay, then

1575
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: you're not a Republican, You're just a Democrat by the way.

1576
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: That's fine, it's okay in order to switch parties in

1577
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: this country or just say like, I'm not affiliated to

1578
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 1: the current mainstream. Instead, she has like mounting these quixotic,

1579
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, thing in the media which is all fake.

1580
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 1: It's like, why can't you just give it up? And

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01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,479
Speaker 1: then to have the press just like they did with

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01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 1: w You remember w and what was in the funeral

1583
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,799
Speaker 1: speech or whatever, and he was like, we see threats

1584
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,879
Speaker 1: here at home. They're like President Bush makes a historic,

1585
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: you know, historic denouncement of Donald Trump. And then what

1586
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 1: we covered on our show, you know, is whenever he

1587
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: slips up and he's like to have another country unprovoked

1588
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: invade Iraq, He's like, I meant Ukraine that that is

1589
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: what is worth Harry. It's like, I just feel like

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01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm taking crazy. Well. The china of how broken brains

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01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: are is that Liz Cheney's approval rating is higher with

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01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: Democrats than Republicans. When she on every issue is right wing.

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01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 1: I mean, she's almost consistently uniformly on the far right,

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01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 1: voted with Trump's You know, however, many percent she's very

1595
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: reliable in terms of being a very conservative senator. And

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01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: so the fact that Trump was interested in making the

1597
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: divide all about Trump but also MSMBC and CNN and

1598
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: these other places played into that as well, where the

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01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: only thing that mattered is where he stood on the

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01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: issue of Trump. That's what helped to create this sort

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01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: of brain disease where someone who is as far right

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01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: as Liz Cheney could be loved more by Democrats and

1603
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: would be completely rejected by Republicans ultimately because they made

1604
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 1: it all about where do you stand on the figure

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01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. So it is interesting. I wonder what

1606
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 1: her next play is. Could be a media play. She

1607
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: could also get a seat on board of like Raytheon

1608
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 1: or whatever she's got options. I just wish she would

1609
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:32,759
Speaker 1: go away and the chance, I do think on the issue,

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01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 1: like I dissent from the idea that it didn't take

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01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 1: any courage to stake out the ground that she did

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01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: with regards to impeachment in January six and Trump. I

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01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: do think that that was courageous and clearly it had

1614
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: direct political costs. But the idea that Liz Cheney is

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01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: some sort of hero, that Dick Cheney is some sort

1616
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: of hero because they were right on this one particular thing.

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01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 1: That does not erase the sins of everything else that

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01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: they did, especially the sins of everything that Dick Cheney did.

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01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:04,200
Speaker 1: I think that's said. That's right, all right? Sorry, what

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01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: are you looking at? While everyone, the media and the

1621
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: public health establishment are at it again? So I feel

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01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 1: compelled to revisit the topic a topic of monkey pox,

1623
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: which on Friday was officially declared a public health emergency

1624
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: by the United States and the CDC, opening up billions

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01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,839
Speaker 1: of dollars of funding to combat the disease, and heightening

1626
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 1: the debate as how cases spread, how do we contain it? Now?

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01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: Before I start, I think it's important to review the

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01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: facts as they are to be clear once again. Monkey

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01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: pox is a smallpox variant emanating from Africa. It induces

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01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: pretty severe illness in those that get it, from what

1631
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: we have seen so far in the West. It is

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01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: fatal in very rare cases, but it is unpleasant enough

1633
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: and viral enough dangerous to those with worst comorbidities that

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01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: we should do everything in our power in order to

1635
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: contain it. All current evidence from the study after study

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01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: in the West confirms the same transmission vector. The vast

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01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 1: majority of monkey pox cases are occurring amongst men who

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01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: have sex with other men. I say this with no judgment.

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01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: It is simply affect. This is mere fact, and transmission

1640
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,839
Speaker 1: vector has of course now ignited a massive debate amongst

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01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: the public health establishment, who find themselves so captured by

1642
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 1: woke ideology they seem unable to actually just admit the

1643
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: truth and are igniting mass panic. They are also risking

1644
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: gay men's lives and be clowning themselves even more after COVID,

1645
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 1: which many did not even think is possible. Best on

1646
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: display is in the debates happening right now amongst public

1647
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: health officials at the CDC and in major American communities

1648
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: that have large gay populations, where they are having a

1649
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 1: vicious debate whether to recommend to gay men to limit

1650
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: their number of sexual partners in the time being. Now.

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01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: This is peculiar for a number of reasons. Number one

1652
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: is why should it be a debate literally at all?

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01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: As we know, transmission overwhelmingly occurs between gay men. Transmission

1654
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: also appears to be concentrated and clusters traced back to

1655
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: group sex events. In such a case, the solution is clear,

1656
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 1: as they literally admit quote. Public health authorities typically emphasize

1657
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: safer sex over abstinence to prevent the spread of diseases

1658
01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 1: that happen through intimate contact. Standard operating procedure. Any disease

1659
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 1: it spreads through sex, you tell the public how it transmits.

1660
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: You issue guidance. If people want to heed that advice,

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01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 1: that's on them. At least they have the information. But somehow,

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01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 1: because monkey pox spreads amongst gay men, it's different according

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01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: to these folks, according to the California state officials who

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01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 1: are actually heading up monkey pox response. Quote, if people

1665
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 1: want to have sex, they're going to have sex. He

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01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,560
Speaker 1: adds here that he knows people will normally go to

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01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 1: sex parties who will not. People will make their own

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01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: decisions about their risk levels. Now this is interesting, is

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01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 1: it not? This official is saying that with monkey pocks,

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01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: it's okay to admit that people will assess their own

1671
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 1: risk levels and make their own decisions. The city of

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01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 1: San Francisco, for example, declined to shut down a gay

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01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 1: fetish festival in the city where they suspected group sex

1674
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: would occur. Instead, they disseminated information to attendees on how

1675
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: monkey pox spreads. To be clear, I support this messaging

1676
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 1: and this approach. I think people are free to put

1677
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: themselves at this risk if they want to, as long

1678
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,759
Speaker 1: as they know what the risks are and the information.

1679
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 1: But and this is the biggest bud. Compare this to COVID.

1680
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 1: B look held the Establishment asked all Americans to undertake

1681
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: overwhelming lifestyle interventions, pulling kids out of school, staying home,

1682
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: shutting down in our economy. We refuse to admit for

1683
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: a single second it was okay to let people assess

1684
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: their own risk levels and instead demand that Americans were

1685
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: masks for nearly a year, even after they got a vaccine.

1686
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: So consider how much you were asked to do to

1687
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 1: prevent the spread of COVID. But now, apparently, when a

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01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: disease is overwhelmingly affected a so called marginalized group, then

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01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 1: we all have to get very sensitive about language and

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Speaker 1: have to be mindful of their advice. Consider this. At

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Speaker 1: the height of the pandemic in June of twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: the New York City Department of Health put out a

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Speaker 1: guidance for its millions of residents to practice safer sex

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Speaker 1: that included wearing a mask, not kissing, and not engaging

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Speaker 1: in any intimate relationships with people. They literally had no

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Speaker 1: problem advocating for both safe sex and abstinence in a

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Speaker 1: case of a respiratory disease. They didn't even think twice

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Speaker 1: about it. But this disease, which overwhelmingly spreads through sexual transmission,

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Speaker 1: is not getting the same treatment. All anyone wants in

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Speaker 1: this country is just to be treated equally. Gay men

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Speaker 1: are adults like all adults. They deserve to be treated

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Speaker 1: the same without some ridiculous notion that by acknowledging basic

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Speaker 1: facts around this disease that it will somehow turn the

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Speaker 1: entire US population homophobic overnight. To see the contracts in

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Speaker 1: real time is just stunning. It gives zero confidence that

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Speaker 1: the public health establishment can ever and I really need,

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Speaker 1: ever be trusted again in our current lifetime. Be watchful

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01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 1: of how they are handling themselves as monkey pocks continues

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Speaker 1: to spread. Because the more they set the standard that

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Speaker 1: different subgroups of the population are somehow treated with more

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01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 1: sensitivity or care than other different standards what we can

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Speaker 1: tell other people to do and what not. The more

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01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 1: they're going to shred credibility in the future. And I

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01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: can be sure of this. The next time they tell

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Speaker 1: us what to do, by default, it's just going to

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01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 1: be no, or prove it to me, or I don't

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Speaker 1: believe you. And that's just not a good place to

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Speaker 1: be as a country. I just think it's an incredibly hypocritical, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: the way that they're handling. And if you want to

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Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Cyber's monologue, become a premium subscriber

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Speaker 1: today at Breakingpoints dot com. Crystal, what are you taking

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Speaker 1: a look at? Well? Guys, As we have been discussing

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Speaker 1: in this show, it looks like the Biden led Dems

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01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 1: are set to score a victory, finally bringing the worst

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01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,799
Speaker 1: parts of their caucus around to at least doing something

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Speaker 1: to address the needs of the American people and the

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01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: mounting toll of the climate crisis. But how big is

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Speaker 1: that victory? Exactly? To hear the media tell it, this

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01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: is monumental, it's landmark, it's his dork. It's the best

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Speaker 1: week ever And a week a Biden went from left

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Speaker 1: four dead to the most consequential president in a generation.

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Speaker 1: So let's take a closer look at what exactly we're

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01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: talking about here. The so called Inflation Reduction Act will

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01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 1: hike taxes on corporate America. It will improve the IRS's

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Speaker 1: ability to hunt down wealthy tax sheets. It will reduce

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Speaker 1: carbon emissions through a basket of measures. It will maintain

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Speaker 1: Affordable Care Act subsidies and at long last allow Medicare

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Speaker 1: to negotiate some prescription drunk prices. It will also use

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Speaker 1: some of that increased revenue from tax hikes to reduce

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Speaker 1: the deficit. Now, the overall impact, it's relatively modest. The

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Speaker 1: biggest spend and impact is on climate. And here is

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Speaker 1: how Ryan Grimm breaks all of that down. He says,

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Speaker 1: in a world in which this bill becomes law, the

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Speaker 1: energy industry will still be tilted towards fossil fuels, but

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Speaker 1: clean energy will be competing on a much more even

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01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 1: playing field. The clean energy banks and the tax credits

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01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 1: will bring in private investment that is many times the

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Speaker 1: sticker price of the public spending. In that world, there

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Speaker 1: is a chance that technological progress will make clean energy

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Speaker 1: cheap enough it drives dirty energy out of business, and

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Speaker 1: there is also genuine hope that innovation around capturing and

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01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: sequestering carbon and say turning it into rock underground can

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01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: make a dent in atmospheric concentration levels. Putting public money

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Speaker 1: behind these kinds of efforts at least gives humanity a shot. Listen. Certainly,

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01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: having an outside shot is better than no chance at all,

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Speaker 1: which is the reality of the status quo without this bill.

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Speaker 1: But it can only really be celebrated as a big

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01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 1: win in comparison to the nothing that it looked like

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Speaker 1: Democrats were going to achieve through the reconciliation process. A

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Speaker 1: fact Mansion one and Cinema one. They demonstrated so thoroughly

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Speaker 1: that they were happy to torch it all and burn

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01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 1: it all down to please their donors that everyone basically decided,

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Speaker 1: what are you going to do? You got to give

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01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 1: them precisely what they want. In other words, this was

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01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 1: not a negotiation. It was a hostage situation. But it's

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01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: never a fair fight when you actually care about doing

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01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: something decent and the other side just literally does not remember.

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Speaker 1: The original idea for this bill back when it was

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Speaker 1: built back better was much closer to being accurately called transformational,

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01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 1: and it was still far from what was really truly

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Speaker 1: needed for the American people. It had a much more

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Speaker 1: sweeping green energy plan. It also had major new social

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Speaker 1: spending to support families, children, elders, and architect a new

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Speaker 1: era of labor organizing. Bernie has done a good job

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Speaker 1: throughout the short period of debate on the Inflation Production

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01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: Act reminding us all of just how much has been

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01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: lost and how inadequate the Biden agenda actually has proved

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01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 1: to be. In particular, he was derided by his colleagues

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Speaker 1: for pushing for provisions that every Democrat allegedly supports. Here

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Speaker 1: they are in creepy orchestrated unison, proudly proclaiming they will

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Speaker 1: vote against things that they like in the name of

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party unity. Then when it came time to vote,

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Speaker 1: Bernie had the audacity to offer some of these provisions

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Speaker 1: as amendments, including expanding Medicare to cover vision and hearing,

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Speaker 1: something that is wildly popular, also cutting subsidies to big oil,

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Speaker 1: and extending the child tax credit. Now take the child

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Speaker 1: tax Credit as just one example. This again is allegedly

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01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 1: backed by every single Senate Democrat. Yet Bernie was sneered

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Speaker 1: at on the floor by his supposedly progressive ally Senator

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Speaker 1: shared Brown, who urged his colleagues to stand united against

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Speaker 1: doing the thing that again they all pretend to support.

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Speaker 1: And President Senator from Vermont, if I could ask my

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Speaker 1: friend from Ohio, why would passage of this amendment, or

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Speaker 1: getting forty eight votes on this amendment bring the overall

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Speaker 1: bill Downe's man, President, Senator Senator Sanders. The arrangement in

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Speaker 1: this is at all fifty Democrats support this. We know

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Speaker 1: every single Republican has voted against the child tax credit

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Speaker 1: not once last March, but twice. But we know that

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Speaker 1: this is a fragile arrangement and we've got to pass

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Speaker 1: it as much as the editor from Oha. All the

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Speaker 1: time has expired. Come on, Bernie, so you've got essential

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Speaker 1: needs of the American people left on the cutting room

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Speaker 1: floor because reasons. It's also worth remembering that some portions

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Speaker 1: of this bill could have been accomplished and in more

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Speaker 1: complete flashion, by Joe Biden himself acting alone. So, as

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Speaker 1: we discussed earlier, Kirsen Cinemas, she extracted her pound of

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Speaker 1: flash before agreeing to this deal by fully protecting the

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01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 1: carried interes loophole that benefits some of the worst Wall

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Speaker 1: Street ghouls on the planet. She is obviously terrible, But

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Speaker 1: what do we say about a president who could completely

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Speaker 1: close this loophole all on his own and just doesn't.

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Speaker 1: This analysis is up on the screen now from twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: This was under Obama, but this still holds true today.

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Speaker 1: Biden could instruct his Treasury secretary to close this loophole

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Speaker 1: right now, something that would be good and also hugely

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Speaker 1: popular among all but a very small set of very

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Speaker 1: wealthy and very well connected individuals. Instead of doing anything

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Speaker 1: on carried interest, Cinema instead subbed in a provision for

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Speaker 1: a one percent excise tax on stock buybacks. That is

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Speaker 1: the disgusting practice corporations have become addicted to in recent years.

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01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,719
Speaker 1: We're rather than investing their workers or innovation or product,

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Speaker 1: they just buy their own stock in a kind of

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Speaker 1: pyramid scheme that juices their stock prices, rewarding their wealthy execs, investors,

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Speaker 1: and themselves. But you know what's better than a one

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01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,720
Speaker 1: percent excise tax? Were turning to rules which were in

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Speaker 1: place before the Reagon administration, which banned stock buybacks all together.

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Speaker 1: Something again Biden could also do all on his own

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Speaker 1: and that's, of course, to say nothing of student debt,

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Speaker 1: marijuana legalization, canceling the contracts of union investors, hundreds of

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Speaker 1: other actions that he could use his executive power to accompt.

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Speaker 1: A similar story of gas lighting and failing to live

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Speaker 1: up to the hype could be told about all of

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01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 1: the other so called landmark legislation. Reporters are now pointing

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Speaker 1: to us evidence of Biden's transformational presidency. A guns bill

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01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 1: which is unlikely to significant curb gun violence, an infrastructure

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Speaker 1: bill which still won't even fully update our infrastructure, an

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Speaker 1: attempt at industrial policy through the Chips Act, which leaves

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Speaker 1: workers to be exploited, and now a climate bill which

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01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 1: also contains a bunch of oil industry easter eggs. They're

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01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 1: all better than nothing, but they're also not even close

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Speaker 1: to what they're being advertised as. Add them together in

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Speaker 1: a tweet or on a cable news panel, it sounds

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Speaker 1: pretty impressive. FDR LBJ Biden. They're basically the same, right guys.

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Speaker 1: But as I've long said, Democrats and Biden do not

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01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: have a messaging problem, they have a reality problem. And

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01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 1: this bill, along with the rest of the Biden accomplishments,

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01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 1: leave far too much of our present reality intact. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the bill's a net positive, but it is a long

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01:33:55,840 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: way from redemption for the listless Biden administration. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you have seen these tweets. I've seen like hundreds

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01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: of these times, and if you want to hear my

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Speaker 1: reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at

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Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot Com. Thank you guys so much for watching.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate. We had a guest cancelation unfortunately, but

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Speaker 1: we will have somebody for the show on Tuesday. We

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you guys staking in with us. It was

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Speaker 1: a really fun show today. We got into a lot

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Speaker 1: of policy, which is the area that we absolutely love

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Speaker 1: the most, so if you guys can help us out.

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