1 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to save our protection of I Heart 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: radio and stuff media. I'm Annies and I'm Lauren Folk BAM, 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: and today we have a classic episode for you about forks. Yes, 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: and it has sort of a hilarious reason why we 5 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: chose it. Uh yeah, because a couple of weeks ago, Um, 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: Annie and I were doing the thing where every every 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: just about every recording session, after we finish our episodes, 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: we stay in the studio for another like ten or 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes and talk about what our next topics should be. UM, 10 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 1: and a couple of weeks ago, Annie very excitedly was like, 11 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: what about forks? And I was like, oh, man, I 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: bet there's some wild stuff about forks, And so I 13 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: like google forks and like look at all these lists 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: of all the different kinds of forks there are. And 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: we were like, yeah, we're totally going to do an 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:01:00,319 Speaker 1: episode about forks. And then like three days later, I 17 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: was like, dude, we definitely did forks like two years ago. 18 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: Both of us had forgotten about it completely. Yeah, and 19 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: uh I, I it's funny. I really remember sports. I 20 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: remember that episode. And I was telling Lauren because I 21 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: was trying to remember what specific reason why I wanted 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: to talk about it, and I think it was a 23 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: culmination of I had just been to Disney World and 24 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: of course the Little Mermaid ride with the fork and 25 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: then I mean the Dingle Hopper. Oh excuse me, Yes, 26 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: what a slip um. But also I'm somebody who, as 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: listeners of the show probably know, I love a good 28 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: pun and I love a good title. Oh that was it, 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: and I think I was just very excited about the 30 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: pun possibilities with fork. Yeah, um, we should see if 31 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: we still have the email where I wrote all the 32 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: titles for it. What? Okay? What the Fork is? What 33 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: you wanted to call this one? Yes? Yes, but I 34 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: mean there's a plethora. There's like fork in the road. 35 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: There's so many ways you could go with that. Obviously 36 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: what the Fork? There are many other variety of variations 37 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: on that one. Maybe I'm just gonna go and do that. 38 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: I think I have to get it out of my 39 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: system and uh, maybe we'll post it somewhere. There you go. 40 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: My process, my terrible, terrible process. Uh. And when I 41 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: was do we before we do these classics, we look 42 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: to see if there's been any news updates and everything 43 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: I got apart from fork the place, which is the 44 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: place that exists in Utah and Washington. I believes for 45 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: Washington there's a fork Utah, I think. But I got 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff about bitcoin forks, and I read 47 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: it and I don't understand it. So there's that. Well, cool, 48 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: that's that exists. Good good news update. Yeah, yeah, if 49 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: you're curious, that's all. Well, if you're curious, you pro 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: you already know about it. But I didn't know. It 51 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: was news to me. I know very little about bitcoins. 52 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to say. Yes, that is not our 53 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: wheelhouse on this food show, not on this food show. 54 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: But forks you have, they're fascinating, they have a fascinating history. Yeah, 55 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: listening back to this episode was was pretty great. Um, 56 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: so yeah, we are going to let former Indian Lauren 57 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: take it away. Hello, and welcome to food Stuff on 58 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: Lauren Vocabam and I'm Annie Reese, and today we're going 59 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: to talk about the fork. Yeah, we've already done a 60 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: sport episode and and Aunt Lauren mentioned that she'd run 61 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: across some kind of scandalous history of the fork. Yeah 62 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: they didn't catch on for quite a while, but okay, Yeah, 63 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: let's let's get right into it. Fork. What is it? Well, 64 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: I guess we can describe it. It's a pronged utensil 65 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: used for spearing foods. Stick with points there if you will. 66 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: But there are a lot of variations on them. You've 67 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: got fruit fork, salad fork, dessert fork, fish for deli fork, 68 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: snail fork, serving fork, roast fork, asparagus fork, cheese for chip, fork, 69 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: crab fork, olive fork orstra fork, pastry fork, pickle fork, 70 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: pie fork, relish work, stuck at fork, t fork, tarrapin fort, 71 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: toasting fork, spaghetti fork. Oh, this isn't evil all the forks. 72 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: There's more and I had to cut down there. You're 73 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: slacking on your fork wrap here. I know, Annie, I 74 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: could have gone on for probably like four more lines. 75 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: That's that's going to be in our deep cut of 76 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: this episode. Yes, the b side. The name comes from 77 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: the Latin word for pitchfork, for which was borrowed by 78 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: Germanic languages as well. I think in A Little Mermaid 79 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: it was the dingle hopper. Yeah, oh, the dingle hopper. 80 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: A Little Mermaid throwback and histories how some strong emotions 81 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: about the fork take this nineteen sixties poem from Charles Simmock. 82 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: This strange thing must have crept right out of hell. 83 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: It resembles a bird's foot worn around the cannibal's neck. 84 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: As you hold it in your hand, as you stab 85 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: with it into a piece of meat, it is possible 86 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,679 Speaker 1: to imagine the rest of the bird it's head, which, 87 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: like your fist, is large, bald, beakless and blind. Oh yeah, 88 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: I should have done that in slam poetry style. Oh well, 89 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: okay next time. That whole spike with points thing is 90 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: the crux, if you will, of fork technology, and it's 91 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: what developed very slowly over time, like okay, slight tangent. 92 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: Do you all remember any of the parody razor commercials 93 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: that happened over the past couple decades. Started in the 94 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies when a Saturday Night Live, in response to 95 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: a new double bladed razor, did a parody about a 96 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: three bladed razor. Ah, it was all lolls until that 97 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: actually happened in the nineteen nineties, invoking further parodies. An 98 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: Onion article in two thousand four titled everything We're doing 99 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: five blades, which happened a year later. Um and then 100 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: SNL and Mad TV responded with like fourteen and twenty 101 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: blade razors, which have, for the good of all of 102 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: us not come to fruition. And look, this is a 103 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: long tangent, but this is also definitely how forks have happened. Yes, 104 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: it's a very slow progression, very slow and kind of hilarious. 105 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: And we're going to get to that just as soon 106 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: as we take a quick break for word from our sponsor, 107 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you. So 108 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: the precursor to the fork is the simple cooking spike 109 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: used to spear, roast and lift food, but it would 110 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: be thousands of years before a second spike developed, and 111 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: the single spike implement would last into the Middle Ages. 112 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: You're making this sound very epic. I'm trying. It's a fork. No, 113 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: you're succeeding. In the world of cutlery. The fork in 114 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: its modern form is one of the newest eating implements 115 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: on the block. More primitive two pronged versions used mainly 116 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: for cooking and serving, go way back to ancient times, 117 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: though uh, these were larger than the kitchen forks we 118 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: have these days to accommodate you know, fire, as opposed 119 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: to just a pan um they were based on pitchforks 120 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: and probably not very much smaller, which is kind of 121 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 1: hilarious to imagine people trying to eat with these things. 122 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's why they didn't. That's why they didn't. 123 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: Never mind, they're like, this is a bad idea at 124 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: the table. People would rather use spoons, are their fingers 125 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: or knives. People had a knife or small dagg around 126 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: hand most of the time, and that was the most 127 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: all purpose bit of cutlery for both slicing and conveying 128 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: food to your mouth or other bits of food like bread. Yeah. Yeah. 129 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: Ancient Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans were some of the first 130 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: to use table forks, and archaeologists unearthed forks made out 131 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: of bone belonging to China's Kijah culture from nine hundred BC. 132 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: Persian nobility may have used something resembling the fork during 133 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: the eighth and ninth century, and by the eleventh century 134 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: forks were being used by the Byzantine Empire, but they 135 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: were probably for the most part absent and regarded with 136 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: suspicion by much of Europe, probably because it's resemblance to 137 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: the pitchfork, which made people think of the devil they 138 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: were super fancy forks, though like like we gilded sweetmeat 139 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: forks have survived, Which brings us to the wedding of 140 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: a Byzantine princess to Italian does Dominico Salvo set in 141 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: Venice and one thousand four CE. The princess caused a 142 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: bit of a scandal, or perhaps a minor scandal, when 143 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: at the wedding east she whipped out a golden four Yeah. 144 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: The clergy roundly condemned this as a sinful show of decadence. 145 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: She also brought the napkin and finger bowl two which 146 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: that's pretty that's a little over the top. According to 147 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: the time manuscript from that time, written and illustrated by St. 148 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: Peter Domain Read, such was the luxury of her habits 149 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: that she deigned not to touch her food with her fingers, 150 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: but would command her eunuchs to cut it up into 151 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: small pieces, which she would impale on a certain golden 152 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: instrument with two prongs, and thus carried to her mouth. 153 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: God and his wisdom has provided man with natural forks 154 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: his fingers. They were serious about this, like there was 155 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: like they did not forget. There was a follow up 156 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: right after her death from the plague a few years 157 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: later Domain claimed it was God's punishment for her lavishness, writing, 158 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 1: this woman's vanity was hateful to Almighty God, and so 159 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: unmistakably did he take his revenge. For he raised over 160 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: her the sword of his divine justice, so that her 161 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: whole body did putrefy in all her limbs begin to wither. 162 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: For using a fork for that, I just my brain 163 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: just ran out of words. It's a different time, different 164 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: different dra Well. After that, inventory documents and wills show 165 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: that the fork slowly spread through Europe. In the case 166 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: of Will's largely suck at forks used for eating candied 167 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: syrupy fruit. Still middle age folks WI generally ate off 168 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: stale realms of bread called trencher, sort of scooping. Yeah. Yeah. 169 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: In the fourteen hundreds, forks started appearing in Italian cookbooks, 170 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: which brings us to her second marriage and wedding of 171 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: the episode that the second wedding scandal, I know to 172 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: wedding scandals. In one episode, in her fifty three wedding 173 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: to King Henry the Second, Catherine de Medici brought with 174 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: her silver forks and my gold and silver from Italy 175 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: to France. There was much laughter as members of the 176 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: court got food all over themselves and their attempts to 177 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: use this new fangled eating device. De Medici was a 178 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: trend setter, and all things Italian were fashionable thanks to 179 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: the Renaissance. Catherine went on a tour of sorts during 180 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: the fifteen sixties, appearing at huge public festivals to demonstrate 181 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: the monarchy's power, wherein onlookers would watch she ate with forks. 182 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: Two types of forks were the norm at the time, 183 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: hefty two pronged things used mainly for meat, and small, 184 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: dainty ones used for desserts. But there was still resistance 185 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: flock resistance, yes, still going strong. In sixteen o five, 186 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: an allegorical novel about Henry the Third's courtiers penned anonymously, 187 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: featured an island inhabited by these over the top hermaphrodites 188 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: that ate with forks. Feminine, defensive, no not caring that 189 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: they were spilling more food than they were consuming in 190 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: their exit, just deplorable. During the time of Henry the Third, 191 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: forks were still used mostly by the well off, who 192 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: would travel with these fancied cases of silverware. Uh and, 193 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: according to Caroline Young's essay Feeding Desire, the fort came 194 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: with unset tilling me. I had trouble saying that, so 195 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: I had to practice of feminine aura until until about 196 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: that time British sailors turned down eating with what they 197 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: perceived to be unmanly forks. No way, a real man 198 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: don't eat with folks. They don't eat with forks. Learning 199 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: a lot. An English traveler named Thomas Coryate traveled across 200 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: continental Europe and wrote about his observations in sixteen eight 201 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: in crew Detas Hastily gobbled up in five months or 202 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: creates crew Detas Great titles both yes. He explained how 203 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: how the Italians did this mysterious thing in which they 204 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: used a fork and a knife to cut and eat 205 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: their food, and then kind of summed up by saying, uh, 206 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: the reason of this their curiosity is because the Italian 207 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: cannot buy any means endure to have his dish touched 208 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: with fingers, seeing all men's fingers are not alike clean. Hereupon, 209 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 1: I myself thought good to imitate the Italian fashion by 210 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: this forked cutting of meat, not only while I was 211 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: in Italy, but also in Germany and oftentimes in England. 212 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: Since I came home and after this published creates. Friends 213 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: called him first of her, first of her. At the time, 214 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: this meant both fork bearer and man doomed to hang 215 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: pretty good nickname yeah. As ideas about hygiene change, the 216 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: fort grew in popularity, now with three and sometimes four 217 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: times with a slight curve, which made it more functional 218 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: as well. Flatware around this time, especially for the non 219 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: royal but stillwell off, was widespread lee a part of 220 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: one's personal tool set. Even relatively common common folks what 221 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: would carry their own case with a knife, fork, and 222 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: spoon for use at home, when they were guests in 223 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: other people's homes and when they were traveling about, and 224 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: because they were these mobile devices. The development of that 225 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: flared shape of the handles and also of of the 226 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: curvature of the fork was partially to help keep the 227 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: business ends of everything in check when they were all 228 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: bundled up in your pocket or pack. Mhmm. Charles the 229 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: First declared in sixty three it is decent to use 230 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: the fork, but it was still mostly only utilized by 231 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: the upper class. King Louis the fourteenth told his childre 232 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: and however, to ignore the instructions of their tutor and 233 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: stay away from those forks. Yeah. In seventeen sixty of 234 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: French Aristocrat described a fancy dinner party in Turkey, making 235 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: jibes at their lack of experience with the fork. Quote. 236 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: I saw one woman throughout the dinner taking olives with 237 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: her fingers and then impaling them on her fork in 238 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: order to eat them in the French manner. No, that's 239 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: not how that works. No, no, and I can't. I mean, 240 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: I've done similar things. We'll share, but you know, right 241 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: this was This was also just a wee bet. After 242 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: well appointed homes began including whole specific rooms bent just 243 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: for dining and multiple sets of silverware for when guests 244 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: came over multiple sets. What with industrialization, more commoners began 245 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: using the fork. King Louis the thirteenth Chief Minister Cardinal Richelieu, 246 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: who found the practice of frequent guests to use to 247 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: clean his teeth with his knife extremely almost so dangerous. Yeah, 248 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: so gross. The Cardinal had the tips of the guest 249 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: knives ground down. The court emulated the practice, eager to 250 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: copy royalty, and in six nine Francis King Louis declared 251 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: that pointed knives at the dinner table and on the 252 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: street were legal. Yeah, Following this decree, existing knives were 253 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: rounded down and new knives were made with rounded tips, 254 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: and this brings is to kind of an interesting difference 255 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: in eating habits. Yeah Um. At the beginning of the 256 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: seventeenth century, forks were still not typical of the American household, 257 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: where they would instead use the new blunt tipped imported 258 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: knives to cut while studying the food they were slicing 259 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: into with a spoon in their left or non dominant hand. Um. 260 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: The diner would then have to switch hands so that 261 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: the food could be scooped up and eaten with a spoon, 262 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: and this practice led to the z zag method Americans 263 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: still used to this day. More on that a little 264 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: bit later. One American diner wrote of the fork in 265 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds, eating peas with the fork is as 266 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: bad as trying to eat soup with a knitting needle, 267 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: And in eighteen forty two, Charles Dickens noted of people 268 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: on a Pennsylvania river boat, they thrust their broad bladed 269 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: knives and two pronged forks further down their throats than 270 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: I ever saw the same weapons go before, except in 271 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: the hands of a skilled juggler. Wow It's suggested in 272 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: the Oxford Encyclopedia of Food and Drink that American reluctance 273 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: to adopt forks traces to Puritan ideals from the Pilgrim's 274 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: original colonies. At the time, the new fangled and often 275 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: upper class used to forks would have represented everything that 276 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: they were turning away from. And that's why it took 277 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: so long to catch on over here. That's true. I 278 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: never really thought about that. Yeah, despite resistance, the fork 279 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: had made it by finally made it to the big time, 280 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: and by eighteen in America. In by eighties seven etiquette 281 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: books included best practices for not embarrassing yourself with a fork. 282 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: Here's an excerpt from an eighteen eighties seven book on manners. 283 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: The fork has now become the favorite and fashionable utensil 284 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: for conveying food to the mouth. First it crowded out 285 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: the knife, and now in its pride, it has invaded 286 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: the domain of the once powerful spoon. The spoon is 287 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: now pretty well subdued also, and the fork, insolent and triumphant, 288 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: has become a sumptuary tyrant. The true devotee of fashion 289 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: does not dare to use a spoon, except to stir 290 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: his tea or to eat his soup with and meekly 291 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: eats his ice cream with a fork and pretends to 292 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: like it. They were seriously ice cream forks, though I 293 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: mean like like fancy tables at the time might have 294 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: had an ice cream fork. And additionally, you know, it's 295 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: like status symbols oyster forks, salad forks, lettuce forks, melon forks, 296 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: strawberry forks, sandwich forks, and bread forks. By the turn 297 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: of the twentieth century, the fashionable advice was to never 298 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: use a knife or spoon when a fork will do these. 299 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: It's intense. This is also the time around about here 300 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: that we hit peak times five times, six tied, and yes, 301 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: even seven timed. Forks appeared generally as serving forks, not 302 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: eating forks, and the ones with the most times were 303 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: apparently startine forks or bacon forks. If you've never seen 304 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: a picture of a seven tied fork, go now. I'm 305 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: resistingly urged. It's it's beautiful in its ridiculousness. Um and 306 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: materials technology wound up having a lot to do with 307 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: the spread of forks. Up until the seventeen hundreds. You 308 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: wanted good quality forks to be made of silver, because silver, 309 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: unlike many other metals, will not react with acidic foods 310 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: and uh kind of ruin the taste. But silver, of 311 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: course is expensive. When silver plaining, therefore, was invented around 312 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds, it allowed what would soon become an 313 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: expanding middle class of Europeans access to a fancy flatwear. 314 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: And beginning in the nineteen hundreds, you get so many more, 315 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: even more types of forks, from bake light forks in 316 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: the nineteen forties to the bright neon ones of the 317 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. Oh yeah, plastic plastic makes possible. And comparisons 318 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: to chopsticks have pretty much existed since the forecast and 319 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: are more modern time. And here's one written written comparison 320 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: by Roland Bars in the nineteen seventies. By chopsticks, food 321 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: becomes no longer prey to which one does violence, meat 322 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: flesh over which one does battle, but as substance harmoniously transferred. 323 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 1: They transformed the previously divided substance into bird food and 324 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: rice into a flow of milk maternal. They tirelessly performed 325 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: the gesture which creates the mouthful, leaving to our element 326 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: Harry Manners armed with pikes and knives. That a fredation. Yeah, 327 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: so kind of more nonsense. Um, people have a lot 328 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: to say about forks. They really do, they really do. 329 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: I guess we're talking about them, so I, yeah, we 330 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: just did. We're doing a whole episode. We're not even 331 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: over yet, nope. Yeah, but we are going to take 332 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: a one more quick break for a word from our sponsor, 333 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsor. Okay, so some kind 334 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: of science e things about the fork. Yes, science and 335 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: future forks, future forks, starting with the smelly fork. The 336 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: smelly fork. Don't you want it so badly? No? I 337 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: want my fork? Okay. I thought I wanted my forks 338 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: to be neutral? Am I wrong? Annie? You M no, 339 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: probably not, but this does. I am intrigued by this. 340 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: So it's not really called the smell fork. It's called 341 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: the Aroma Revolution Kit. And it's this kit that comes 342 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: with four forks and twenty one cent vials things like 343 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: with sabby and passion fruit, and you put a drop 344 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: of the desired scent on a paper tab that you 345 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: then insert at the base of the fork, and then 346 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: if all goes according to plan, the scent will influence 347 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: the food you're actually eating with the fork, So maybe 348 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: tricking your brain with a scent of butter rather than 349 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: actual butter, like you smell it. Okay, sure, I mean 350 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: smell has a lot to do with taste. It certainly does. 351 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: In the article I was reading, they said like they 352 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: would put with saby the scent of the sabi and 353 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: then eat chocolate off the fork, and it would be 354 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: interesting combinations. A long way Togo. But you know, I mean, 355 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: I would just put some sabby and some chocolate if 356 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to. But I mean, but but no, that's 357 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: that's fascinating. It is another fascinating fork, the smart fork 358 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: versus smelly folk, now the smart folk. At the yearly 359 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: Tech convention c E s In, a company released a 360 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: fork that will monitor how many bites you take and 361 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: your rate of food intake. I'm not sure that's information 362 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: I want to know. If you ate too fast, it 363 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: would vibrate the way that your phone does when you 364 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: get a text message to tell you to slow down. 365 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: The idea here being that if you eat more slowly 366 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: um allowing feedback from your stomach to go on and 367 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: reach your brain, you'll consume less overall. It's a weight 368 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: loss tool, and because it provided that vibration, which in 369 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: the industry is called haptic feedback because it relates to 370 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: your sense of touch, it was called the happy fork. 371 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: Well yeah, which is pretty good. Also, yeah, pretty good fun. 372 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: It's still on the market, but I'm not sure how 373 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: popular it's ever gotten. I could use some reminders to 374 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 1: slow down when I'm eating. I don't know, I've got 375 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: other stuff to do. Sometimes, sometimes I want to enjoy it. 376 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm just like, there's a difference between eating quickly 377 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: and eating like you're a starving animal, which is what 378 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: I frequently find myself doing it. And I'm not sure 379 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: why why am I acting like I have no time 380 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: to eat? Ever? Again? Anyway, enough about my eating habits 381 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: and the work I might need to do to improve them. Um, 382 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: something that I frequently need reminders about our table etiquette. Yeah, 383 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: I like never went through like tillion or anything like that, 384 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: so I'm basically a mess at a table. Um I 385 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: wanted to feel really bad, Yeah, but so okay. So 386 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: there are actually two schools of fork etiquette. Of course, 387 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: as we mentioned earlier, the American style is the zig 388 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: zag kind of thing. Um. But but first, the the okay. So, 389 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: so the European style, in the Continental tradition that developed 390 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: during the eighteen hundreds, it's considered a proper etiquette to 391 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: hold your fork in your non dominant hand times down okay, 392 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: and the way the way that you should hold it 393 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: here you okay, you hold the base of the forks 394 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: handle at the base of your palm, your thumb and 395 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: finger grip the stem of the fork, and then you 396 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 1: stabilize the neck of the fork with your index finger. Okay, okay, 397 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: all right, try this with a pen if you're at home, 398 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: or if you have a fork, that's even better. Um 399 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: that that the fork, though, stays in that position, and 400 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: the knife in your dominant hand is used to both 401 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: cut food and to kind of push it gently onto 402 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: the downward times of the fork. Okay, okay. Properly speaking, 403 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: you would set the knife down when you're not actively 404 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: using it, but some places, especially the English, dude just 405 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: kind of hold onto it the whole time. Oh man, Yeah, 406 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to be tested on this later. 407 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, We're we're about to take a field ture. 408 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: I'm totally gonna see if I can put this. Put 409 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: this to you, um in this tradition. In the European 410 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: continental side, it's generally considered very crashed to actually put 411 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: any part of the fork except maybe maybe the very 412 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: tips of the times into your mouth. Really yeah, So 413 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: that's why Charles Dickens is all totally yeah. Yeah. If 414 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: you're dealing with food that would require putting the silverware 415 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: in your mouth, it's better to uh to use the 416 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: fork or your knife to push that food into your spoon, 417 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: which is okay to touch your lips as long as 418 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: you do it from the side of the spoon, not 419 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: the tip. Okay. So American style okay, um, this is 420 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: basically old fashioned European style, but is still considered proper 421 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: here in America. To um okay, to uh to use 422 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: your knife with your dominant hand, with your fork helping 423 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: stabilize the food with your non dominant hand. And then 424 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: once you've cut a piece of food, you put down 425 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: the knife entirely, switch the fork to your dominant hand 426 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: for eating, all right, And you hold this fork times up, 427 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: not times down, not never times down. Maybe I don't know, 428 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: I don't know your life, um, but but yeah, and 429 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: you hold it more like you would hold a hold 430 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: a pen. So the so that the base of the 431 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: handle rests on kind of the the meaty bit of 432 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 1: your hand between the thumb and index finger. Um. The 433 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: neck of the fork is supported in between your index 434 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: and middle finger. Yeah, and uh, and then your thumb 435 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: can balance pressure on the stem of the fork. So right. Yeah. 436 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: So it's sort of like a like a like a 437 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: scoopy things, and it's okay to scoop foods that require scooping, 438 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: like peas, say, into the curved tinines of your fork, 439 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: and to use it like a spoon. In her book 440 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: The Rituals of Dinner from Margaret Vizier, says of this 441 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: denying a modern fork, it's possible. Spoonlike use is wantonly perverse, 442 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: wantonly won. So there you go. I hope, I hope 443 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: that made some kind of it's hard to describe visual things. 444 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: I wish we had been filming it because Laura and 445 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: I were both acting like caveman trying to learn for 446 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: the first time with with my terrible claw hands. I 447 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: felt very Zoidberg in the middle of all of that. 448 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: I was just like, what is it doing? What? What 449 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: are these hand things? I don't understand. I feel like 450 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: next time I eat. I'm going to pay so much 451 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: attention to what I'm doing with my hands that I'm 452 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: going to get confused. Yeah, I have to say I can't. 453 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: Being an American, not switching hands is very difficult for 454 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: me to to manage. Yeah. Yeah, I've tried it, and 455 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,959 Speaker 1: it just I want to do it and actually and 456 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: there's no point. Yeah, and I wind up switching like 457 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: the knife to my non dominant hand and then I don't. 458 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: It's really, it's really silly. You're like this just called 459 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: this whole thing off just to fingers. Bring me a 460 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: bowl of soup that I can just drink from and 461 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: leave me somewhere outside where I'm not going to embarrass anybody. Ah. 462 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: That's the scandalous history of the fork. Uh maybe more 463 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: questions than you've ever had about the Fork, but answered 464 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: answered yeah dramatically, in exactly and dramatically. So this brings 465 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: us to our listener. Man Dale wrote, growing up, I 466 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: had a neighbor who was from al Says Laurent, and 467 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: she would make an onion kiche and share with us. 468 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: Neither my mother nor I liked keish, so it's kind 469 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: of a burden. One day she brought over half of 470 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: an onion kiche, and we did not know what to 471 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: do with it. I asked if I should give it 472 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: to the dog, and my mother said that it would 473 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: not be good for her, so we should give it 474 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: to Dad for dinner, which we did from that day 475 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: Ford and through the generations, we still tell the kids, 476 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: don't feed that to the dog, give it to dad. 477 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: By the way, when keish became popular in the seventies, 478 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: we discovered that the neighbor was just a terrible cook, 479 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: and we do, in fact like keish. I want to 480 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: know so much more about this neighbor who like bringing 481 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: over half of an onion kish and just just yeah, 482 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: just like she sounds lovely right, I would love to 483 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: do even even if a terrible cook. Yes, Sophie wrote 484 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: in response to our Juliet Child episod out so throw 485 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: back to a little twelve year old Sophie that used 486 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: to watch Julie Child every week. This was my favorite 487 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: movie and was always delighted by Julia's personality and vision 488 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: of what cooking in a common housewife could be. My 489 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: English grandmother taught me to cook from a young age, 490 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: and I grew up loving food thanks to her good 491 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: old Wendy. I always told myself that I would do 492 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: the same thing and cook my way through mastering the 493 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: art of French cooking. But as I grew into a 494 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: teenager and then an adult, I forgot about my cooking 495 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: dream until I listened to your podcast on Julia and 496 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: I have now ordered my copy on Mastering the Art 497 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: of French Cooking and have set up an Instagram to 498 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: document my journey. That's so cool. Thank you, Sophie. Yeah, 499 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm very excited for for you and your journey, and 500 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: I'm just sad that we can't try the food. Thanks 501 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: to both of you for writing in. Yes, if you 502 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: would like to write into us, you can do so. 503 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: Our email is food Stuff at how stuff works dot com. 504 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: We are also on social media. You can find us 505 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: on Instagram at food stuff and also on Facebook and 506 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: Twitter at food Stuff. HSW stands for how Stuff Works. 507 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: We hope that we hear from you. We hope that 508 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: Dylan does not completely hate us. That's Dylan Fagan, our 509 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: wonderful producer, and we hope that lots more good things 510 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:25,959 Speaker 1: are coming your way. That brings us to the end 511 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: of this classic episode. We hope you enjoyed it. As 512 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: much as we did. Yes, I had forgotten, clearly, I 513 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: had forgotten something that shocked because it was fascinating. How 514 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: did I forget all of that? Well, and as as 515 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: I was saying to you, I feel like I remembered it, 516 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: I just don't remember doing it. I knew it was 517 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: an interesting topic. I we make We make a lot 518 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: of shows around here, we do. We do a lot 519 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: of times. You just have to make room. Oh yeah, 520 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: I jettison stuff like about thirty minutes afterwards. People are like, 521 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: oh man, what did you research this week? And I'm like, 522 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, some say exactly. Sometimes even the 523 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: topic is gone, like we uh, we have a lot 524 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: a lot of things. We're juggle a lot of things 525 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: about we do we do? Um oh I did. I 526 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: did try to um check in on Sophie and her 527 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: Instagram with her Julia Child updates. I couldn't find it. So, 528 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, I hope that I hope that whatever Sophie 529 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: is up to, you're doing great. Yeah, and cooking. We're 530 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: not cooking as it makes you happy to do so, yes, 531 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: and we hope that you listeners are as well, doing 532 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: great cooking or not cooking. However, however, great meat, whatever 533 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: that means to you. Yeah, and we would love to 534 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: hear from you. You can email us at Hello at 535 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: savor pod dot com. We're also on social media. You 536 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: can find us on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram at saver 537 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: pod and we do hope to hear from you. Savor 538 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: is production of I Heart Radio and Stuff Media. For 539 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: more podcasts from my Heart Radio, you can visit to 540 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 541 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows. Thanks as always to our 542 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: super producers Dylan Fagan and Andrew Howard. Thanks to you 543 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: for listening, and we hope that lots more good things 544 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: are coming your way. H