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Speaker 1: Be around the NFL podcast. Oh, John Jancome's not ready

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Speaker 1: for that. Welcome, Welcome back to another distiround the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Handzas, and I'm joined by the

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Speaker 1: room filled with heroes Mark Sesler, Chris Westling, and Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: What up boys best opener of the years? Laugh. I

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Speaker 1: call them for the Panthers Bengals game, just to tell

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Speaker 1: can get to Culver City, let's do that too. Alright.

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Speaker 1: So Big Week, Week six, This is the week six

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Speaker 1: Sunday night show. Uh, this is where we go over

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Speaker 1: all the games as as you know as listeners, and

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Speaker 1: if you're a new listener, welcome to the Stitcher award

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Speaker 1: winning Around the NFL podcast. Uh. Big, Big Week again

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Speaker 1: for the Cleveland Browns. Will get into that. Mark very exciting.

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Speaker 1: But I'm sorry we can't start with him because I

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Speaker 1: wasn't lobbying to start there. But here's the good news.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the big game at the

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Speaker 1: Clink first, and Mark Sessler will be happy to talk

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Speaker 1: about that game. I got a feeling based on some

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Speaker 1: of the conversations we had in the kids podcast. Um,

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Speaker 1: so let's get into it. The Dallas Cowboys are for real.

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Speaker 1: Gentleman DeMarco Murray's fifteen yard touchdown run with less than

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Speaker 1: four minutes to play was a difference in the thirty

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Speaker 1: three win over the defending Seahawks. Defending champions Seahawks at

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Speaker 1: Centrally Link Field, Tony Robo wildly outplayed Russell Wilson, who

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Speaker 1: threw a game ending pick and only through a hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty six yards Chris Westling, this to me is

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Speaker 1: the game where we can no longer deny that the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are a potential NFC contender. Right, Yeah, I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, and I thought it would be a blowout.

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Speaker 1: I was dead wrong. It could have gone that way.

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Speaker 1: At one point it looked like Byron Maxwell dropped a

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Speaker 1: pick six that would have made it seventeen to nothing.

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Speaker 1: The crowd was all fired up. It looked like we

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Speaker 1: were heading toward that territory. The game turned around, the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys took control and dominated from there. It's amazing to

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Speaker 1: me that the Cowboys, who have played with the same

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Speaker 1: game plan every week in terms of their running game

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Speaker 1: Four hundred and one yards almost doubling Seattle, and they

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Speaker 1: really Dallas controlling this entire game. Yeah, There's a couple

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Speaker 1: Cam Chancellor looked like a shadow of himself. He was

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Speaker 1: then third downs. The Cowboys were awesome on third downs,

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Speaker 1: and uh DeMarco Murray. By the way, twenty nine carries

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Speaker 1: It ruins the symmetry of the entire league. But that's

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Speaker 1: you you are upset when you're losing. No, I think

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Speaker 1: I think any anyone that's followed the team that's struggled,

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Speaker 1: especially for so long in its own division, like it

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Speaker 1: just it doesn't even tonight, Maybe when I got home,

432
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Speaker 1: I'll have a nice glass of wine and be like, wait,

433
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 1: we just knocked the Steelers off that. So let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the game. How did the Browns dominate the Steelers?

435
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Speaker 1: How did it happen? You know, it was more of

436
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Speaker 1: what's brought. They've been very skittish and in games they've

437
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Speaker 1: been dominated for a half and then they'll come back

438
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Speaker 1: and they don't abandon the run, and they'll make Brian Hoyer,

439
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Speaker 1: who makes a certain amount of throws every game, make

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Speaker 1: some big throws. What happened today and they just didn't

441
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Speaker 1: get down early. You know, they looked completely lost halfway

442
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Speaker 1: through the first quarter. I think they had negative eight

443
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Speaker 1: yards at one point after a series of drives and

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Speaker 1: then Koyer. Choyer only completed eight passes in this game,

445
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Speaker 1: but they were completions of fifty one, thirty, one, thirty

446
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Speaker 1: and seventeen yards, made some big passes. Jordan Cameron got involved,

447
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Speaker 1: and you know they they had Terrence West, the rookie

448
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 1: running back, is a healthy scratch but Tate and Isaiah Crowell.

449
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Speaker 1: They ran well. I mean, they lost Alex mac early

450
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Speaker 1: in this game for what we think is potentially a

451
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Speaker 1: season ending broken lower leg, and they shifted a few

452
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Speaker 1: guys around that offensive line. It's not I'm not talking

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Speaker 1: to comparing them to Dallas, but they're good for one

454
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Speaker 1: similar reason is that they finally have a good offensive line,

455
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Speaker 1: and you're kind of in every game when that's the case.

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Speaker 1: They overpowered Pittsburgh, and I have. The bigger question I

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Speaker 1: have is, looking after what I watched the Pittsburgh Jaguars

458
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Speaker 1: game last week and saw them today, I don't understand

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Speaker 1: what is happening with that with that offense so talented,

460
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: but they're but they're not. They couldn't do anything. Cleveland

461
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Speaker 1: had four starting defensive linemen not in the game today

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Speaker 1: and essentially control the line of scrimmage for at least

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Speaker 1: was a big place. What was the problem with the

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Speaker 1: Steeler's offense. They could not convert big third downs. Watching

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Speaker 1: Big Ben go eighteen and one before this game, it

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Speaker 1: could be third and ten, it could be third and

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Speaker 1: twenty two. He always finds a way to get down

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Speaker 1: the field. They just continued to get Pittsburgh off the field.

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Speaker 1: They were they were all three in the red zone

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Speaker 1: and Cleveland was three or three, and you figured that

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Speaker 1: stuff evens out. But that's been happening to the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: that they're bad in the ren red zone, that they're

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Speaker 1: getting a lot of yards not getting a lot of points,

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Speaker 1: just like very costly penalties or turnovers at bad times.

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Speaker 1: They also went away from what was They opened the

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Speaker 1: game in a dominant fashion. They ran the ball fifteen

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Speaker 1: out of the first eight team plays, and it looked

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Speaker 1: like it was gonna be a twenty to nothing steamroll

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Speaker 1: right over the Browns. But no, it did because Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: was on its game. But they kind of it all

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Speaker 1: fell apart. Cleveland started to turn the tide, remembering a

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Speaker 1: moment early when it was zero zero and the Steelers

483
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Speaker 1: were driving and Mark was already saying something like this

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Speaker 1: game's out, not just games over, but saying like, well

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Speaker 1: I I lost this game. You know we're not. I

486
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Speaker 1: was saying something like, now we're all on team Browns

487
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Speaker 1: because they and I picked them too, so we were

488
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Speaker 1: we were with you, and you're like, wow, the bad

489
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Speaker 1: pick were convinced they were going to lose when it

490
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Speaker 1: was well, it was because of those when you they

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Speaker 1: had three defendants defensive linemen out and then a fourth

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Speaker 1: went out and Pittsburgh was just running up and down

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Speaker 1: the field on him out of the game. This is

494
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Speaker 1: and this is part of the Browns culture that is

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Speaker 1: going to start to fade away when they continue to

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Speaker 1: win games like this. There's something go there's a sea

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Speaker 1: change right now with this franchise. I don't know. I

498
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Speaker 1: know that this has happened before. We've gotten a little

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Speaker 1: into the Browns, maybe in the early in the season

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Speaker 1: and they flame out and lose eleven or twelve. I

501
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Speaker 1: don't think it's happening this year. This is a good

502
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Speaker 1: look at the schedule Jacksonville, Oakland and Tampa Bay. We

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Speaker 1: we gotta get used to talking about the Browns as

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Speaker 1: a playoff contending team because they're gonna pile up some

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Speaker 1: wins in those games and then they'll just be in

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Speaker 1: the mix. Peyton Manning threw for three touchdowns and Julius

507
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Speaker 1: Thomas collected his seventh and eight touchdown reception of the

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Speaker 1: season win for the Broncos over the fading New York

509
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Speaker 1: Jets at MetLife Stadium. Manning by the Way four touchdowns,

510
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Speaker 1: two behind Far for the all time record, and the Jets. Oh,

511
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Speaker 1: the Jets have lost five in a row with the

512
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Speaker 1: New England Patriots coming up now on a short week.

513
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Speaker 1: Not not an extremely thrilling game when you, when you

514
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Speaker 1: gentlemen watch it, you're not gonna be blown away by

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Speaker 1: how the Broncos played, or necessarily be you know, have

516
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Speaker 1: your mouth a gape about how terrible the Jets are.

517
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Speaker 1: But it was just a clearly the better team. The

518
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Speaker 1: Jets actually got back in it late in the game

519
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Speaker 1: and got it within a score, but then Gino Smith

520
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: would to that for the whole game. Basically for fifty

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Speaker 1: five minutes, didn't have a turnover, which was a minor miracle.

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Speaker 1: But then he throws a pick six with less than

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Speaker 1: a minute ago, which makes the game look a little

524
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Speaker 1: more lopsided. But bottom line is the Jet stink, the

525
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Speaker 1: brutal and d Milner, the first round pick who they

526
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Speaker 1: counted on so much, They counted on him so much

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Speaker 1: to kind of make the leap this season and it's

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Speaker 1: not gonna happen. It looks like he tore his achilles

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Speaker 1: tendon uh during a field goal to a kind of

530
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Speaker 1: fluke play in the first quarter, so you don't have

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Speaker 1: him to kick around anymore. And the Jets are flaming

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Speaker 1: out and the Broncos are great. I don't care one

533
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Speaker 1: thing with New York. The leading rushers Gino Smith with

534
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Speaker 1: eleven yards. They tried, they tried to run the ball.

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Speaker 1: This was a bad game for the Jets offensive line,

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Speaker 1: which has been beacon of hope on an otherwise lost

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Speaker 1: unit this year. Uh, Chris Ibrey couldn't run the ball.

538
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Speaker 1: Chris Johnson shot, so you don't expect him to do anything,

539
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Speaker 1: and so you don't have that. Eric Decker's back in

540
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: the game, so he It's not a coincidence that when

541
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Speaker 1: Eric Decker is playing and making contributions, Geno Smith looks

542
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Speaker 1: better just because the Jets have no skill level talent

543
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: beyond that. Jason Morrow had a pretty decent game, but unbalanced.

544
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Speaker 1: It's again, you're when you look at the team right now,

545
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Speaker 1: and and and Rex around already announced that, uh Geno

546
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Speaker 1: Smith is a starter against the Patriots. Not a surprise there.

547
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: Michael Figgs a non factor. But the Jets are really

548
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Speaker 1: now I feel like heading towards a transition where they're

549
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna play out this lifeless season. They're gonna fire Rex.

550
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna draft a quarterback. It seems heading in that direction. Now.

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Speaker 1: See it's like Rex Ryan obviously known for defense, they've

552
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Speaker 1: given up twenty four or more points in their last

553
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Speaker 1: four games. Not not only that they're supposed to have

554
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Speaker 1: a shutdown run defense. They give up two straight one

555
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Speaker 1: yard rushers breakdown Ronni Hillman and Brandon Oliver. It comes

556
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Speaker 1: back to I think the first round picks at cornerback

557
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: Wilson and Milner killing them week after week for the

558
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: last I mean for Wilson it's been a few years

559
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: and Calvin Pryor is the safety. I mean that he

560
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: has not had a breakout rookie season at all. So

561
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Speaker 1: everything they've tried to do in that secondary hasn't hit

562
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Speaker 1: through the draft, where you know, it's well documented they

563
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: didn't make an aggressive play in free agency. Um so

564
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: the back end of the defense kills. Everything is set

565
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: up and predicated off that back end, So it's not

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Speaker 1: surprising that the run games breaking down now as well.

567
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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a four king committee. Oh, I want

568
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Speaker 1: to give him one more. I really it's just Rex.

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Speaker 1: I have so much respect for Rex in the way

570
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Speaker 1: that team every time you counted them out under Rex

571
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Speaker 1: has at least made a rally to respectability that their

572
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: seasons on the line. Thursday. I know what, you guys

573
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Speaker 1: think their season is over. But if they win that game,

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Speaker 1: let's say they get to two and five, they're only

575
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Speaker 1: two back of the Patriots in the lost Colum, they

576
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Speaker 1: can at least start to convince themselves or whatever hold

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Speaker 1: on that they're in the mix. I'm just saying, Committee

578
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Speaker 1: is you're you're making an argument for the Jets as

579
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Speaker 1: a playoff team. This is what we got trouble with.

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Speaker 1: You brought it. You brought it up a couple of

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Speaker 1: shows ago. But we'll see. If we're gonna do this

582
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Speaker 1: fork thing. We gotta do it right, gotta do it,

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Speaker 1: We gotta have you gotta you gotta get the stones

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Speaker 1: out right. It doesn't mean that you just think every

585
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Speaker 1: team with a bad record is done for the season.

586
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Speaker 1: But there's certain things about certain bad teams. They just

587
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Speaker 1: lost thirty one, enohing last week that they're a bad team.

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Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, Dan, yes, a lot of

589
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: Twitter listeners have me call it in saying, hey, we

590
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: need to change that factory is sadness job for you

591
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: and the Jets, and I've been holding them off for

592
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: a while. But if this keeps happening, the Brows keep winning.

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Speaker 1: I'm only I don't A man like that doesn't bother

594
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Speaker 1: me at all. I'm gonna say is that, Hey, listen,

595
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Speaker 1: you're my boy? Wait am I not your boy? That

596
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: you've been disturbing, But honestly, the jet as a jet spend,

597
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: there's we're so deep into pain and misery that that's

598
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Speaker 1: not gonna bother me. But that's a Browns thing. You

599
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: don't want to co op that onto the Jets. We

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00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: have enough stuff you could. I mean you could if

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00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: you want. I could find something that we could use

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00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: for the Jets. Let's up to you. Joe Flacco went

603
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Speaker 1: nuts today, throwing five touchdowns in the first half on

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Speaker 1: the way to a way too easy seventeen win over

605
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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, a win for the Ravens. This

606
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 1: is the second time in four weeks that Lovey Smith's

607
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: team has been horrifically embarrassed. The Buccaneers stink West, and

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco is playing like highly paid quarterback should well,

609
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Speaker 1: the real Joe Flacco please stand up. He was awful

610
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Speaker 1: in Week one, great in weeks two and three, full

611
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Speaker 1: again last week, and today became the first quarterback since

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Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy merger to throw five touchdowns in the

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Speaker 1: first sixteen minutes of a game. Wow, they had their

614
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Speaker 1: way with the Bucks secondary. I think for the most part,

615
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: the real guy has been there this year. He's played

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Speaker 1: on balanced pretty well and flat. Was never gonna be

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Speaker 1: Brady or Manning. Where he doesn't throw in a stink

618
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Speaker 1: bomb every three or four games. I think that's just

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Speaker 1: kind of who he is. Where's Flacco on the A

620
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Speaker 1: D scale? Oh, he's way in front of I was

621
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Speaker 1: just where he was, jumped down my throat. I just

622
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: want to know where he was. He's always say you

623
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: saw that. That was absurd. It was, But Dan, I

624
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: have to let you know, even before I produced the show,

625
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Speaker 1: it was always funny to me how you never understood

626
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: the A D scale doesn't make sense to me. I'm saying,

627
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Speaker 1: how far from the middle and Daltons in the middle right? Yeah,

628
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Speaker 1: for new scale scale is the after Dalton scale. It's

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Speaker 1: the way to measure all starting quarterbacks. You're either after

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Speaker 1: Dalton or you're not. And then I assume if you

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Speaker 1: have a Super Bowl, but that won't work either because

632
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Speaker 1: you West. See this is why doesn't work. I'm telling you,

633
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Speaker 1: Eli Manning, I'm sure is way beyond past uh Andy Dalton.

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Speaker 1: Right on your scale, he's in front, he's before. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Eli man he's better than Andy Dalton. All right, Okay,

636
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Speaker 1: I didn't think you would ever say that. But you

637
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Speaker 1: really don't like Andy Dalton. I don't there a list

638
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,239
Speaker 1: where I can look at this too. Maybe that's why

639
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: I can't have no dislike for Andy Dalton, but I

640
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: know what he is so flack of like the twelfth

641
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: best quarterback in the league, somewhere between twelve and sixteen.

642
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: What about Steve Smith on the receiver list right now?

643
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: Steve Smithy They look look, they made a concerted effort

644
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: to get Tory Smith involved. He had two first quarter touchdowns,

645
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: and then Steve got loose for a fifty six yard touchdown.

646
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: He toasted altar On Werner, and then Mark Barron got

647
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: a little chippy for the bucks. So they kept going

648
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: to Steve Smith, and he'd started pushing Mark barn just

649
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: to set some tone there. I got a tea up

650
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: West because I heard West where I said, sometimes I

651
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: can't see him, but I could always hear him. A

652
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: lot of Mike Lennon uh shots were being fired. So

653
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tee you up West. Why is Mike Lennon

654
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: not the answer for the Bucks? Mike three and ounce

655
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: Glennon because he doesn't move the offense until the second half.

656
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: You killed him for last week's game, though, and you're

657
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: what you were watching two games at once when that

658
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: game is that. I swear if you went back and

659
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: watched his performance last week, he played fantastic again, had

660
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: a lot of really good moment He didn't though because

661
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: of protection and because the factors that were out of

662
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: his right. But when Josh McCown doesn't move the team,

663
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: everybody kind of just rips on him and gives Mike

664
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: Glennon a free path. Two wrongs don't make it right,

665
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: my friend. Look, Glennon just isn't as good as everyone

666
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: says he is. He has a big arm, but he's

667
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: not that good of a quarterback. I don't know if

668
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: you heard it Mark Schure in the Glow of the Browns,

669
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: but there was some legit heat between the scientists over this.

670
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: It always concerns me when that happens to our team,

671
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: and I was I could hear, but I have a

672
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: I have a question, or actually maybe I have a statement.

673
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: I think the Ravens are this a f C North's

674
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: best team. I agree with that they're a complete team.

675
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: Come on, what he's trying to underplay his own Browns.

676
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: They beat the Browns with a very with the Steelers Browns.

677
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: By the time this podcast gets the listeners, I'm best.

678
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm betting the Ravens have a top five offense. Be allowed.

679
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that they have a top five offense and

680
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: they entered the day third in defense. There's not a

681
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: weakness to Baltimore that I think. That's what we're saying. Yeah,

682
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: you know the funny things. I completely agree with you.

683
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: I think just get excited. So I was convinced they

684
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: were going to beat Indias last week and they didn't. Well,

685
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: they have your favorite player and Justin Forcett, you love him.

686
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, no one, no one wants to admit

687
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: that he's actually if you just didn't know what name

688
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: it was on the back of his jersey, if it

689
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: was Darren Sprowles having the season that Justin Forcette was

690
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: having people would be putting them on the cover of

691
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: magazines and things. Averaging six and a half yards per carry.

692
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 1: That's pretty good, I think actually, now that they think

693
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: about it, going back to Glenn in a second, West

694
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,959
Speaker 1: champion Josh McCown and he's of making the lead candidate

695
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: on our list. West wants full circle. He wants glenned

696
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: out mccount back in. And then the Buckos win five

697
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: of the last seven games, and mccount has a nice

698
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: stat line in West winds. Yes or no, Well, that

699
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't bother me to see that happened. I just don't

700
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: like quarterbacks. You can't move the move the offense for

701
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: quarters at a time, and then you, I mean, just

702
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: to be fair, you had to feel a similar frustration

703
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: with m account And it's not just the quarterbacks. Probablysive

704
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: line can't protect the quarterback. Receivers are slow, and the

705
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: defense doesn't stop anybody. I think this this buck season

706
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: so far hurts Levey Smith's reputation more than anyone. He's

707
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: got players on defense. They gotta be forked. We should

708
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: have forked him two weeks ago. They're an awful football

709
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: He's been pushing over this and you're right, Uh, we

710
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: shouldn't have waited until they got embarrassed. Again, we shouldn't

711
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: know it. Well, they beat the Steelers and that put

712
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: us all on our field. The Jacksonville Jaguars had a

713
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: golden opportunity to win their first game of the season.

714
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: Then they blew it. Jake Locker sidelined by injury, the

715
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: Jaguars couldn't find a way to get past Charlie Whitehurst

716
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: Charlie Whitehers clipboard Jesus sixteen fourteen loss with the Jacks.

717
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: Josh scoby fifty five yard field goal attempt on third

718
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: down was blocked the side in the game, Mark you

719
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: you were watching this game very closely, because that's why

720
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: you weren't able to celebrate the Browns as you're saying.

721
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: According to you, I want to ask you why on

722
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: that kick, Josh Gooby going for the game winning field goal,

723
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 1: it was on a third down with twelve seconds to play.

724
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: Why did they not try to get closer? Was there

725
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: any explanation for that? After the game? Number one, I

726
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: have no explanation because there was there was obviously time

727
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: to try to get maybe one more pass out to

728
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: the sideline cut that fifty five yard attempt down to

729
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: something more manageable, and you bang, you have your first win.

730
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: I I that's one of the more mysterious moves of

731
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: the day. Like a loser team. That's the type of

732
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: stuff that you never see Bill Belichick do something like

733
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: that or or Jim Harbaugh team. It's always a team

734
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: like this that ends up making a decision and this

735
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: is how you lose games. I wanted to like the

736
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: same I thought the same thing to a lesser degree

737
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: in the Bengals game that why in overtime didn't they

738
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: try to get I know, it was a thirty six

739
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: yard or so everyone's gonna say, well, you should make one.

740
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: Well what's wrong with trying to make it a twenty yarder? Like?

741
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: What couldn't agree more? What's the problem with that? And

742
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: this Bradley one though, it felt like it was just

743
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: a brain fart, like he he didn't consider I don't

744
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: know what the thought was. I don't I I don't

745
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: have an answer, and it's it is you'r you know, Dan,

746
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: you make a good point because I think before this

747
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: season there was a lot of optimism around what Jacksonville

748
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: was so called building, and none of that's present right

749
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 1: now and part of the issue. And you talk about

750
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are hard to really get a read on.

751
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: I'll take Blake Bortles over Mike Glennon or anyone else

752
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: that we we have questions about. But he is on

753
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: an offense with five rookies and an offensive line that

754
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: gave up six sacks and five quarterback hits today. I mean,

755
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: it's hard if you're a young player to really develop

756
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: or make plays in that scenario. Yet he continues to throw.

757
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: I think if you're if you're a Jaguars fan and

758
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: you want to say there's something here to cling, hope,

759
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: to cling to in terms of hope, you have found

760
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: a quarterback in Blake Portals. I mean, he was not

761
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: perfect today, but what's around him is disastrous. Seven first

762
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: downs the fourteen for the Titans. So in a lot

763
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: of ways, the Jaguars control of the game, and yet

764
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: they were down two scores for most of the fourth quarter.

765
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean, the jack well, the Titans are exactly what

766
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: we think they are in terms of you've got Charlie

767
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: White Hursts your quarterback. He didn't make major errors today,

768
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: but last week, you know West, you pointed out that

769
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: he couldn't find the first down marker on third down passes.

770
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: A little bit better today, but really just playing a

771
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: defense that was not ready for prime time. I just

772
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: want to I want to do a little Owen sixteen

773
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: heat check here. I'm just gonna take a look at

774
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: the schedule where oh and six through six weeks for

775
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: the Jags at home to the Browns and Dolphins in

776
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: the next two weeks. It's gonna be tough to win

777
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: those at Bengals home to Cowboys, and then there by

778
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: at week elevens and play Gus Bradley hasn't got any

779
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: heat yet. He's been kind of skating free a fair point.

780
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna start catching some heat after that field goal call,

781
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm really looking forward to his explanation. The

782
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: Chargers found themselves in a dog fight with a Tony

783
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: Sperrano led Oakland Raiders in Oakland today. Derek Carr throw

784
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: four touchdown passes. That's something David Carr never did. But

785
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: Brendon Olivers one yard touchdown run with less than two

786
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: minutes of play gave the Chargers ah. That is a

787
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: game that was ended or sealed when First Round picked

788
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: Jason There at intercepted car with one thirteen to play.

789
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: Was his car is only bad mistake He forced to

790
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: throw into coverage downfield when they were about midfield with

791
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: Janikowsky Sea Beast warming up. This game seemed like he

792
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: was gonna be heading to overtime. It didn't get that way,

793
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: but I would just want to say Tony Sperrano deserves

794
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of credit. I think we at around

795
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: the NFL and everyone else that covers football. Uh seemed

796
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: to have some fun with his bury the ball technique

797
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: on Monday, But the message must have gotten through because

798
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: this team played a really good game and then the Raiders.

799
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: It's not that the Chargers were stumbling and really just

800
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: kind of took the team lightly and weren't playing well.

801
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: Chargers played like the Chargers, but the Raiders played like

802
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: a different team. Uh. Car look great, as I said,

803
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: four touchdowns and they even got contributions. This name Let

804
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: me know if it rings a bell, Darren McFadden ring

805
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: a bell anybody. I thought he looked good earlier in

806
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: the year too. Oh so you know him, Yeah, I

807
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: think he's been running well. This was by far the

808
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: best I've seen him in multiple years. He ran great,

809
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: uh ran for eighty yards on just fourteen carries, even

810
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: got a little bit of a pop from Morris Jones Drew.

811
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: So you're gonna need that with this team. You're gonna

812
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: need the running game to help the rookie quarterback. But

813
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: there was some reason for optimism for the Raiders in

814
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: this game. I think it's the case of the Chargers.

815
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: You know, probably inside the organization, word leaked out through

816
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: a couple different channels that the podcast here picked him

817
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: as team of a t L and that that's a

818
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: lot to saddle, lots of care you're with you into

819
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: the game, and you know, maybe they were a little

820
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: rusty because of that having to live up to those expectators.

821
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: Here's an interesting tweet from Mike Jarecki of Fox Sports,

822
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: because it's time. It's the time of the podcast where

823
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: we give a lot of love to Philip Rivers, who

824
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: deserves it. Uh. The Charges quarterback is posted a passer

825
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 1: rating of one hundred and twenty. We're better in five

826
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: consecutive games. That is now the longest such streak in

827
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: NFL history of Philip Rivers again, Uh, just killing it

828
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: every week doing it. He's having this season. I thought

829
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: Drew Breathes was gonna have and I one of I'm

830
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: gonna owe some sandwiches. I thought, Uh, this is I

831
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: went out on a limb on this one. I said

832
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton would have a better passer rating than Philip Rivers.

833
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: And by the way, at Dawn's hovering around a hundred,

834
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: I believe. So it's not it's not that Andy Daltons

835
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: not putting up a decent season, but Rivers is just

836
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: playing beyond what anybody could even expect it from it.

837
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: I would like to see Mike McCoy get more notice

838
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: because he's a big part of this and where everywhere

839
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: he's gone quarterbacks have succeeded and and he's, for me,

840
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: the big reason the Rivers career is where it's at

841
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: right now after troubled seasons. He's number two right now

842
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: and my coach of the Year rankings behind Tony Sperana.

843
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: There's I mean, have proved more than the Raiders under Sperano.

844
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: Let's see if all this emotion they spent up was

845
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: just a one week thing. The worst the worst thing

846
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: that could happen, by the way, is that the Raiders

847
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: play okay. And then they hired Tony sprun if you

848
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: really hate a friend, that's a Raider's fan route for

849
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: a lot of games like this, and then Sperano for

850
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: two thousand and fifty about the charge of level of

851
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: trust and Brandon Oliver touched the ball thirty times in

852
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 1: this game. Yeah, for I think it's his fourth start

853
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: of or fourth game of his career. They really found something.

854
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how much credit I give him credit

855
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: for him being in their organization, but he got uncovered

856
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: through several injuries. But once it's happened, now they know

857
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: they have a guy. So I don't way better than

858
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: Donald Brown. Yeah, what does Ryan Matthews get back? That's

859
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: a really nice pairing. Yeah it is. We were worried

860
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: about the Woodhead lost because he's so good in the

861
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: passing game, but you know, Oliver could be better than Woodhead.

862
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: You buried the ball. If you bury the ball, the

863
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: mistakes in the past they're gone. So I just need

864
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: to rebury another one to get this mistake out of

865
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: the way and just let's move forward. A good effort.

866
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton by the way point three pass reading. That's

867
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: great for the Dalton family, But I'm still getting my

868
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: sandwich out of River's passer reading You're a monster. Carson

869
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: Palmer was a surprise starter for the Arizona Cardinals, who

870
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: bounced back from April blowout loss of the Broncos last

871
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: week with a over the Washington Redskins. The Redskins are

872
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: now one in five. Mark, after you calm down from

873
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: your internal glories of the Browns, you watch this late game. Uh,

874
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: can you tell us how did Carson Palmer look? The

875
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: nerve firing on all cylinders? I thought, you, well, he's

876
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: I think he's a good fit for this offense, and

877
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: Bruce arians trusts him. I mean, I want to go

878
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: back and rewatch this again. But his arm didn't seem

879
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: to obviously be as strong as it has in the past.

880
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: You know it's he He didn't make a couple of

881
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: throws though, Uh. And a couple of beat writers pointed

882
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: us out some across the body throws that suggested that

883
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: he's not as limited as he might have been even

884
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: a week ago. I mean, he didn't. I saw a

885
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: few tweets where his passes were described a laser to

886
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: Michael Floyd or so and so, so. I guess he

887
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: was doing some things, but I did see I saw

888
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: another tweet after the game that perhaps he's not out

889
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: of the woods yet. He said it himself that he

890
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: has to go get more treatment. So it's not like

891
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: this is a done deal now that he's back. Well,

892
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: what he was only throwing a velocity or something a

893
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, whatever that means. But it's so

894
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: he's not all the way back, but he was capable

895
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: enough to come in and I think he hit ten

896
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: different receivers for two fifty yards average, like five point

897
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: seven yards per pass. I mean, but they've got a

898
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: lot of weapons in this offense. They're interesting team. They

899
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: kept completing really difficult third down throws on the sidelines

900
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: and over the middle and diving into tight quarters like

901
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: the receivers can make a guy like Palmer or Stanton

902
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: look a lot better when you have Larry Fitzgerald, John

903
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: Brown and Michael Floyd putting up highlight reel catches. Yeah,

904
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: I think that they also with arians. He doesn't in

905
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: a very very good job with the route combinations. You

906
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 1: saw them in these bizarre bunch formations all over the play.

907
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald benefited today at his best game of the year.

908
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: First Town. On the other side, Kirk Cousin hasn't been

909
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: an abject disaster, But haven't we seen enough by now

910
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: to say he just turns the ball over too much.

911
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: He feels like to me, when he gets into a

912
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: bad place, he does not climb out of it. He

913
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: threw four picks against the Giants, and some of those

914
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: by the end it was like, this guy is in

915
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: the wrong place mentally. Today he melted down. I mean,

916
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, he he and de Sean Jackson had a

917
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: good thing going on early, but then he threw a

918
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: costly interception and then down the stretch through two more

919
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: and it just Washington could not recover four turnovers in

920
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, and yet they got the ball back

921
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: down three. I mean, they moved the ball pretty well,

922
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: and it's weird. Like Chris said, Cousins, that's the same thing.

923
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: Game after game. He shows you enough that you actually

924
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: think he's pretty good. He's gonna get you excited, and

925
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: then he turns the ball over three or four two. Well,

926
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: I think, but Chris's point is that haven't we seen

927
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: enough to realize that this is not someone we want

928
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: to center the offense around. I would agree with that.

929
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: I think that this guy is still a project r

930
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: G three. We'll get his job back, That's what I'm saying.

931
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: I think there's that they can keep him in. The

932
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions delivered another dominant defensive performance, holding the Minnesota

933
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: Vikings to two d and twelve total yards and a

934
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: seventeen three win. In Minneapolis. The Lions took care of

935
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: business without Calvin. Calvin Johnson a very good sign for

936
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: a rising team in the NFC and a team that's

937
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: getting Chris Wesling excited. But we's gonna share his thoughts

938
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: on the Lions. But before we do that, we want

939
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: to get a man on the line who also is

940
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: probably pretty excited about this Lions team. He is our

941
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: Chicago around the NFL correspondent. He is a on the

942
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: starting team, and that the metaphorical starting I have basketball

943
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: scenario TD cooked up. He is Kevin Patcha coming at you.

944
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: How're they going, Fellas big day? I can tell see

945
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: I hear it in your voice. There's so much joy

946
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: around me. I feel nothing. I'm dead inside West's agnostics.

947
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: So he's just taking the NFL straight off. Really, he's

948
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: a Josh McCown fan basically at this point. But Kevin

949
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: Patcha unabashedly a line supporter, Kevi, what did you see

950
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: out there today from this defense which is really playing? Well? Yeah,

951
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: they just completely dominated this game. Uh they had eight sacks,

952
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: twelve to be hits. Ezekielansa one of our making the

953
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: leap cands, was just all over the field, making maclil

954
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: look silly. How did you describe like he's left tackle?

955
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: How did you describe it in your right up? I

956
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: think it was an eighteenth century stone guardoyle. I think

957
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: he was just going right around him. Teddy Bridgewater had

958
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: no time. The best I've seen line played defense literally

959
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: in my entire life. That's the best analogy game I've

960
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: ever heard. Two out of Patrick, I mean our social

961
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: media correspond and heard that little quote and he just

962
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: his eyes lit up and he thought that's going out

963
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: to five million followers on Twitter. Well, I think we

964
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: need him to repeat that again. This is the best

965
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: the lines defense has ever played in your life? Well,

966
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: I mean you had the Scott Mitchell era and that

967
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: Charlie Batch years. I mean, yes, they're leading the league

968
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: I think in defense, yes they are. And they only

969
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 1: gave up two d and twelve yards or something today

970
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: total offense and Bridgewater did literally didn't have time to

971
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: get to a second second check. Was Bridgewater moving? Well?

972
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: You know he was, Actually he did. That was the

973
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: best point from him. He still has good footwork even

974
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: when he has to move in the pocket and get

975
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: out of the pocket. He just wasn't on target and

976
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: he didn't have time and the Lions threw a lot

977
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: of blitz is at him so he didn't have to

978
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: check on back out of the backfield. There was a

979
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: lot of five man rushes today and he his offensive

980
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: line just failed him completely. I think the fantasy football

981
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: world was thrown for a loop when Matt Asata was

982
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: a non factor. How did Jeric McKinnon look He he

983
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: was he was their best offensive player. Uh, he didn't.

984
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: He had three point six yards per carry. I think

985
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: had eleven rushes forty yards. But he was their most dynamic.

986
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: He beat DeAndre Levy a couple of times in space,

987
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: uh after the backfield on catches he led him in

988
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: both receiving and rushing yards. But he totally totally Lady two,

989
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: which tells you how the Vikings did on offense today.

990
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: But I think he's took in take He's gonna be

991
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: the number one guy. Actually, gotta had two carries for

992
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: negative yard. He had an eighteen year catch out of

993
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: backfield near the end of half time. That that was

994
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: about it. He didn't playhim any steps. But all this

995
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: is in Kennon's job and Cordel Patterson, you know, it's

996
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: no longer a search and rescue mission. It's search and

997
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: recovery at lisas fantasy values. It's over anybody that was

998
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: excited about Cordurell Patterson having a nice breakout season. Obviously

999
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: the Browns have no or obviously the Vikings have no

1000
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: idea how to use him again, basically a ziltchoid in

1001
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: the stack. Common Greg's looking at the box trying to

1002
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to sugarcoat this, but there's nothing.

1003
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: Every week were we After a week it's like you're

1004
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: seeing five yards and two catches from this guy or

1005
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: zero to one carries? Enough? What a what a nightmare?

1006
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: Come on? It's not about that. Maybe it's a little

1007
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: bit about that I drafted him, but also the fact

1008
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: that number one and are making a lead counter have

1009
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: they have? They stopped giving all of his place to

1010
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: Jarius right mm hmm, yep, that's it Kevin Patra always

1011
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: good to talk to you. Uh, stay warm. I imagine

1012
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: it's getting colder in the Midwest the right later minute halt.

1013
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears remain one of the toughest teams in

1014
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: the NFL to figure out. Mark Trustman's team went into

1015
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 1: Atlanta and left with the win over the Falcons, who

1016
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: have now lost three straight. Both Alshon, Jeffrey and marsh

1017
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall went over a hundred yards west. Excuse mcgreg

1018
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: you watch this game closely. It appears that we got

1019
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: the good J. Coulor. Today we got the great J. Color.

1020
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: He put on a show in the first half of

1021
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: this game and then sailed to the finish line three

1022
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown on only thirty eight attempts, and

1023
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: some of the throws were just beautiful. But this was

1024
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: kind of the Bears offense I've been waiting to see

1025
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: the one we saw a lout last year where Brandon

1026
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: Marshall is a hundred percent healthy and him and Jeffrey

1027
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: are going down the field for some vertical bombs. It

1028
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 1: was fun to see and it was of convincing performance.

1029
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: I left this game thinking these are two teams really

1030
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: needed to win in Atlanta as a team that you

1031
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: can't really take seriously as a playoff contender anymore. Yeah,

1032
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: Dan said the Bears are hard to figure out. You

1033
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: sounded in the newsroom like you definitely have the Falcons

1034
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: figured out. I think so. I think they're one of

1035
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: the worst teams in the league if it wasn't for

1036
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan. I mean, he has no offensive line, he

1037
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: has no running game. The defense is terrible. Today Julio

1038
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: Jones and Roddy White dropped five passes between him, so

1039
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen most weeks. But that's all they

1040
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: have as a quarterback. I mean, when you get pushed around,

1041
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: the score could have been a lot worse than in

1042
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: this game. When you get pushed around like that, and

1043
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: by Chicago running the ball, I mean, I just feel

1044
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: like it's over. And I think I saw a tweet

1045
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: from you, Greg where you mentioned a really transparent part

1046
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: of the season premiere of Hard Knocks this past summer,

1047
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 1: and then it was it came up in subsequent episodes,

1048
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: this idea that the Atlanta Falcons weren't going to be

1049
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: pushed around anymore and they were gonna be tough s O. B.

1050
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: S and things were changing. No, No, they mean that's

1051
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: all they talked about, that they wanted to be tough,

1052
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: and they're one of the least tough teams in the league.

1053
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean they get pushed around up front

1054
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: on defensive line and the offensive line each and every week.

1055
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: And I think West was trying to set me up

1056
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: for that and I didn't come through, and then Dance

1057
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: saved the day. Who I think we're all all big

1058
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: Thomas Dimitrof fans. I was just about to ask about

1059
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: this and its air. It seems like there's a better

1060
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: chance that Mike Smith will take the fall in Demitrof,

1061
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: but this is not a good roster well and and

1062
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: Demitrof has has been touted as one of the brightest

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Speaker 1: young general manager's year of the year, and he's done

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Speaker 1: enough to think, well, I think we believe he is.

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Speaker 1: But part of it is what you do in terms

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Speaker 1: of when you when you become a successful team like

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Speaker 1: they were sustaining sustaining that and they've got one of

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Speaker 1: the weakest lineups on both lines, disastrous, And you got

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Speaker 1: outside of a couple of you know, sexy skill position guys,

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Speaker 1: what do the Falcons have that special I mean that

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Speaker 1: it falls on de Mitrof and there's urgent. There's got

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Speaker 1: to be urgency when you have a quarterback as good

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Speaker 1: as Matt Ryan is and he's in his prime years,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to burn him with a team without

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Speaker 1: any talent around him. So they got to go back

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Speaker 1: to the drawing board. This is what we agree. It's

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Speaker 1: like a six to eight win team tops at this point.

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Speaker 1: What we're seeing, I mean, it's a lousy division. So

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Speaker 1: they'll convince themselves they're in some sort of race, and

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Speaker 1: they might be for that division to win seven or

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Speaker 1: eight games, but this is not a contender, and they

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Speaker 1: need to go back to the drawing board in the

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Speaker 1: offseason and figure out a way to build a real

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Speaker 1: team around this. Mayd be smart not to just believe

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Speaker 1: in that mirage that they're around in the NFC South.

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Speaker 1: There are issues on this team, and I think the

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Speaker 1: heads are gonna roll by the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: That's why I was getting so upset watching them, because

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Speaker 1: I just feel like Matt Ryan is playing at a

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Speaker 1: really high level right now, and it does show it's

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Speaker 1: not all about the quarterback. Because I promise you if

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Speaker 1: he was on most teams, they would be winning and

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Speaker 1: he would be, you know, talked about as a top

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Speaker 1: five guy. But you need more than that. We the

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00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: Lions defense has given quarterbacks it seems like every week

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Speaker 1: the worst games of their season. The Falcons are given

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Speaker 1: every quarterback the best game of the receiving and that

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Speaker 1: takes us to Sunday Night Football. But really, I I

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Speaker 1: try to put some voice into that to get people excited.

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Speaker 1: There's another to get excited about. The Eagles trouts the Giants.

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Speaker 1: A game that we thought was gonna be a great

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Speaker 1: NFC East battles that twenty seven nothing the Eagles shutout.

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Speaker 1: When Lashaw McCoy got back on track, ran for twitter

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Speaker 1: a hundred and forty nine yards and twenty two carries

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Speaker 1: that will help the UH yards per carry average. Seven

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Speaker 1: sacks by the Eagles just a complete lop side of

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Speaker 1: the fair. Gentlemen, I ask you, what what are we

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Speaker 1: to make sense of this game? I mean, the Giants

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Speaker 1: are playing so well. What happened? I thought going into

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Speaker 1: this game they had the most complete team in the

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Speaker 1: NFC East, And I guess my main takeaway is, especially

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Speaker 1: after losing Victor Cruz to a torn Pateller tendon will

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Speaker 1: end a season that the Giants are now clearly no

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Speaker 1: better than the third best team in the NFC East.

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Speaker 1: I'm not giving up on them because of one performance.

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Speaker 1: I think we've seen in the NFL things changed so

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Speaker 1: much week to week. I mean, the Giants put together

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Speaker 1: three really strong weeks on both sides of the ball

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Speaker 1: that I think that team is still within them and

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Speaker 1: they're capable of stink bomb. And the Eagles were overdue

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Speaker 1: to have a complete sort of game, but just the

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Speaker 1: way it happened to shut out just sort of boggles.

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Speaker 1: It boggles my mind. And the Victor Cruz injury, that

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Speaker 1: is a awful, awful injury. It's a Pateller injury, which

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Speaker 1: is something that he's gonna surgery on a long rehab

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Speaker 1: his season, although it has been officially announces over um

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Speaker 1: almost certainly. Uh the Giants. Luckily they have Odell Beckham

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Speaker 1: back and we saw again and even today they didn't

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Speaker 1: do anything offensively, but he's he's such a fluid, fast

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Speaker 1: movie player. You think that he could be a guy

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Speaker 1: that could potentially step into a bigger role. Now, yeah, definitely,

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Speaker 1: He'll start outside with Ruben Randall and Preston Parker will

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Speaker 1: play in the middle. And to me, I'm not worried

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Speaker 1: about the blowout. That doesn't change my mind about the

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Speaker 1: Giants at all. But Victor Cruz has been ellies go

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Speaker 1: to receiver for three or four years now, and you

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Speaker 1: lose him, you already lost for Scott Jennings for a

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Speaker 1: few weeks. To me, they're just not as strong. Their

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Speaker 1: offensive line, which had played so well, had a really

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Speaker 1: rough performance. You mentioned in our the Takeaways that's up

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Speaker 1: on the website right now, NFL dot com, slash what

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Speaker 1: Else News a t L is the old name, but

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Speaker 1: it still will work around the NFL whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that the offensive line strong and Connor Barwin

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Speaker 1: and Vinny Curry combining for five sacks. Connor Barwin has

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Speaker 1: been fantastic this year, quietly for Philadelphia. He's been about

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Speaker 1: their best defensive players. Yeah, he said, a really good

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Speaker 1: gear and justin Pew I believe allowed four sacks in

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Speaker 1: one game. Wow, that's not good. That's not good. Darren

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Speaker 1: Sprawl has also left this game with an injury. And look,

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Speaker 1: by the time people hear this, maybe they'll know what

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Speaker 1: the result is. But it felt like some bad vibes

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Speaker 1: around that one, and they're thin at running back, so

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Speaker 1: that would that would be another big loss for them.

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Speaker 1: It's like this is a week to week division. They

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Speaker 1: get a bye next week, where whereas the Giants go

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Speaker 1: to Dallas and that game becomes even even bigger for

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Speaker 1: New York because if they lose that one too, then

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Speaker 1: they're really pretty far behind in the division. I'm definitely

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Speaker 1: on the same page with West on this. I think

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Speaker 1: the way this division is the way that all these

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Speaker 1: teams are really always so many teams in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Are you know, you look great one week, you look

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Speaker 1: terrible the next. But Victor Cruz, they gotta figure out

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Speaker 1: a way to get something done. You can't understand how

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Speaker 1: important he's been to their offense for several years now,

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Speaker 1: and to watch him get carted off the field, that

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Speaker 1: that's tough. That's gonna be tough for them to figure

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Speaker 1: out how to get past. Didn't all three of us

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Speaker 1: pick the Giants. It seems like so long ago I

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Speaker 1: felt super confident about the John's couple. This week, I

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Speaker 1: don't know anything. Don't even listen listen to us. We

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Speaker 1: don't know what's happening. Nobody knows. One week is an

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Speaker 1: eternity in the NFL. Exactly all right, so exactly no

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Speaker 1: one knows. Even Vince didn't. Now well, he knew more

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Speaker 1: than us. That's it for today's edition to the Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. We will be back on Wednesday. Uh

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Speaker 1: So hanging there, Thank you for listening, sending more hashtags,

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Speaker 1: contact TV about being uh when Greg's toaster until then.

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Speaker 1: The stand handsOn signing off for the Mailman, the Sizzler,

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Speaker 1: the Boss and t D Behind the Glass to Wednesday