1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Manky. Listener discretion is advised. I 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: want to tell you about a time I was absolutely 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: taken aback by a psychic medium. A few years ago. 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: I was at a location where we suspected a cemetery 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: that had fallen into ruin on the property was at 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: least partially responsible for the haunting going on there. The 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: idea being the spirits of those buried on the property 9 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: were upset their final resting place was slowly being swallowed 10 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: by the land, along with the last evidence of their existence. 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: Just my luck, the proprietor of this property happens to 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: be one of the most gifted psychic mediums I've ever 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: worked with, And let me tell you, I'm very picky 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: about my psychics. So to test the theory of the 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: cemetery being the origin of the activity, ed an investigation 16 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: in the basement. I brought a number of items into 17 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: the room with us, including a small bag of dirt 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: from the cemetery. We brought the psychic into the room, 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: not telling her a thing about what we were doing 20 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: or what was in the bag. As we settled and 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: started investigating. She seemed very drawn to the bag, so 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: I asked her to pick it up. She did, and 23 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: she held it in her hands for a moment, and 24 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: I asked her what do you think is in there? 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: And she looked in the distance for a moment and 26 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: blurted out earth, roots, ground, dirt, cemetery, dirt, and plopped 27 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: the bag down. My eyes were wide with shock, and 28 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: I was like, how did you do that? And she 29 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: matter of factly replied with a laugh, I'm psychic. Amy. 30 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: It was one of the many times I've been impressed 31 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: at this location. And later in the program we'll talk 32 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: to that very psychic, but for now, join me as 33 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: we venture to GasPort, New York for a little visit 34 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: to Greystone Manor. I'm Amy Bruney and this is Haunted Road. 35 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: On Route Road in GasPort, New York. A large Victorian 36 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: house looms over an otherwise empty rural street known as 37 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: Greystone Manor. It's a stunning forty four hundred square foot 38 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: home that's over one hundred fifty years old. Farm Land 39 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: stretches in every direction around it, with barely any sign 40 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 1: of another building for miles. In fact, while Greystone's address 41 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: says that it's in GasPort. GasPort isn't actually a town, 42 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: it's a census designated area not too far from the 43 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: Erie Canal. About fourteen hundred people live in the region. 44 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: It's unclear how Greystone Manor got its name, but it 45 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: has sand colored tan walls and green trim. The front 46 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 1: door is set back from the road, while a foreboding 47 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: wall with two vertical windows faces the street. This wall 48 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: is likely to be the first thing visitors see as 49 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: they approach. If one were to explore the grounds before 50 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: going inside, they'd find an eerie graveyard not too far 51 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: from the house. There's no record of who was buried there, 52 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: but rumors are rampant, suggesting this is the final resting 53 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: place for the house's residents, servants, or even for horses 54 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: that were once raised on the property. Inside, a spiral 55 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: staircase leads guests to the three luxurious bedrooms in the 56 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: so called main part of the house. One is called 57 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: the Red Room due to its vibrant scarlet walls, and 58 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: it features a stately bed patterned rugs and a large 59 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: set of double windows that fill the room with sunlight. 60 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: The Green room is just as finely appointed in sunlit, 61 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: but its walls are a peaceful shade of light green. 62 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: And finally, the Gold room is as you've probably guessed gold. 63 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: Its four poster bed and the sword mounted on the 64 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: wall make it feel like something out of history, tucked 65 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 1: away out of sight. The four servants bedrooms are more modest. 66 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: They're also only accessible by a separate, less elaborate staircase. 67 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: The home has all of the amenities that a wealthy 68 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: nineteenth century family could want. A library, a full kitchen 69 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: complete with a butler's pantry, and two separate parlors. Patterned 70 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: rugs warm up the rooms, and chandeliers grace the ceilings. 71 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: There's also taxidermy lots and lots of taxidermy. Graystown Manor 72 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: was built in eighteen sixty five. At that time, the 73 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: land around it was full of apple and pear orchards. 74 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: A racehorse breeder named Curtis Root had the manner built 75 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: for him and his family, and they also, of course 76 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: raised their horses there. According to rumor, Curtis made a 77 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: fortune selling mounts to the armies during the Civil War. 78 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: He did business with both Confederate and Union leaders alike. 79 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: He also owned a racetrack that was less than a 80 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: mile from the house where he'd have his fastest horses compete. 81 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: It's safe to assume that this attracted a less than 82 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: savory crowd. In fact, rumor went that Curtis and his 83 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: brothers were also involved in illegal gambling and alcohol operations. 84 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: Curtis's bad reputation extended into his personal and family life. 85 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: According to gossip, he was an unrepentant womanizer. This may 86 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: be why the servants quarters at Greystone Manor reportedly had 87 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: a slide lock installed on the inside. No one knows 88 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: for shore when or why it was put in, but 89 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: it was not standard in homes at the time. One 90 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: theory was that this lock was the only way that 91 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: female employees could sleep through the night with any kind 92 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: of assurance that Curtis wouldn't harass them in their beds. 93 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: Rumbling as that is, life at the manor took an 94 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: even darker turn in the spring of eighteen eighty nine. 95 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: The day after Valentine's Day, on February fifteenth, Curtis was 96 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: in an accident while riding his horse Playboy. There are 97 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: conflicting reports of what happened. One story says that he 98 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: was trying to lead his mount past an oncoming horse team. However, 99 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: the other team startled Playboy and he reared only to 100 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: land on top of Curtis. Another version said it was 101 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: a passing train, not a team of horses that scared Playboy. 102 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: In this account, the horse was also hauling a vehicle 103 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: called a cutter, which landed on them both. However it happened, 104 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: Curtis walked away from the accident apparently unscathed. He didn't 105 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: have any noticeable major injuries, and because he didn't get 106 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: any medical treatment, he failed to realize that he was 107 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: bleeding internally until it was too late. Two weeks later, 108 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: on March first, he died in his bed at the 109 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: age of seventy two years old. The funeral was held 110 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: in the manor, and reportedly hundreds of people turned out 111 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: to pay their respects afterward. His widow, Melissa, lived a 112 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: little more than a decade before she passed away in 113 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: nineteen oh one. She was eighty years old. According to 114 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: the Haunting of Greystone Manner by Heather Rhys Madison, Melissa 115 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,679 Speaker 1: also died in her bed, and her cause of death 116 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: was congestion of the lungs. They left their home to 117 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: their youngest daughter, Flora. She in turn sold it to 118 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: a dairy farming couple who lived in Greystone until their deaths. Afterward, 119 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: their children, Mina and Mina's husband Dorson Rosman, lived there, 120 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: but they never had children. Dorson ended up dying in 121 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: the house, just as Mina's parents had, and for decades afterward, 122 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: Mina tried to tend to the manor on her own. Unfortunately, 123 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: as she got older and her health declined, it became 124 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: clear that she wasn't up to the challenge. She never 125 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: mowed the lawn, shoveled snow, or to the gardens. Her 126 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: eyesight deteriorated until she went fully blind, and afterward she 127 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: never bothered to turn the lights on, so it sat 128 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: dark twenty four seven. Mina was reclusive and never left 129 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: or had guests over, so for years there were no 130 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: visible signs that the house was even occupied. Some neighbors 131 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: believed it was abandoned, and the manner's deteriorating condition did 132 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: nothing to deter that gossip. It said that Mina lived 133 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: in absolute squalor. It was bad enough that supposedly a 134 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: family of raccoons got into Greystone and stayed rather than 135 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: find a way to get rid of them, Mina would 136 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: let them sleep in her bed with her, or so 137 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: the rumors went. Finally, her concerned family members helped Mina 138 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: move into hospice. This was shortly before she died of 139 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: natural causes in nineteen ninety eight. After she passed, the 140 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: family sold the property to farmers who wanted to grow 141 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: their crops on the surrounding land. But they weren't interested 142 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: in the crumbling home itself. They ignored it while it 143 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: fell even further into disrepair. In the early two thousands, 144 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: new owners tried to renovate and repair Greystone, which proved 145 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: to be a bigger challenge than they may have originally anticipated. 146 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: See their repair crews kept quitting without notice. They said 147 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: that too many eerie things happened while they were trying 148 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: to do their work. According to the Haunting of Greystone 149 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: Manner by Heather Madison, they'd begin their shifts while the 150 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: house was empty. Then they'd hear voices and footsteps sprinting 151 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: up and down the stairs. They also kept misplacing their tools, 152 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: But these teams didn't think they were losing track of 153 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: their equipment on their own. They thought some kind of 154 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: spirit was moving things around, even more alarming, numerous workers 155 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: also reportedly felt invisible hands pushing and shoving them while 156 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: they were working. That's why when the house went up 157 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: for sale in twenty seventeen, one of the most interested 158 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: buyers w a psychic medium, a woman named Heather Rhys Madison. 159 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: I mentioned her name before she literally wrote the book 160 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: on Grace's tone manner, and she was very interested in 161 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: learning more about the homes reported spiritual properties and the 162 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: ghostly inhabitants. It was said to have she and her 163 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: husband run about and breakfast out of the home, but 164 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: they also let ghost hunters and spiritual seekers explore the 165 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: manner and try to make contact with whatever specters may 166 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: have dwelt in it. These spiritual investigations are still ongoing 167 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: even to this day. Over the years, seekers have recorded 168 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: numerous EVPs, especially of a spirit claiming to be Mina Rosman, 169 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: the Red Close, who spent so many decades alone in 170 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: the manor. She's said to be very active in the 171 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: main parlor, where she answers whatever questions people dare to 172 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: ask her. There are also several video recordings of balls 173 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: of light or gray streaks in this parlor that are 174 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: thought to be her spirit EVPs have also been captured 175 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: outside in a spot where a blacksmith shop used to stand. Unfortunately, 176 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: these recordings seem to be in an unidentified language, so 177 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: it's impossible to say what the speaker was saying. But 178 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: that's not the only spiritual activity outside of the house. 179 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: There are frequent reported sightings of shadow people and a 180 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: mysterious white mist that only appears at night. Visitors have 181 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: also spotted an adult man in a white shirt with 182 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: dark colored pants, and a young boy. Additionally, there are 183 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: several photographs and video recordings of a woman's face peering 184 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: out the house's windows, thought to be Mina. Curtis Root's bedroom, 185 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: also known as the Green Room, may be one of 186 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: the most spiritually active parts of the house. This was 187 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: the room where he died after his horse riding accident, 188 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: and many people believe that his spirit still lingers to 189 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: this day. When guests stay in this room, they can 190 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: often sense a presence the moment they walk in the door. 191 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: It feels stern and masculine. According to Heather's book quote, 192 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: it's like you have walked into your parents' room and 193 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: you weren't allowed in there. You feel like you're going 194 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: to get in trouble if they catch you. Some visitors 195 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: are able to set their inhibitions aside and sleep there 196 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: through the night, but it's not unusual for them to 197 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: wake up and find that someone has yanked the blankets 198 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: off the bed. Female guests also often feel someone groping 199 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: them inappropriately while they're in the room, even when there's 200 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: no one else to be seen. Particularly unlucky guests may 201 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: find it difficult to get away from Curtis's spirit. According 202 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: to rumor, after someone spends the night in the green room, 203 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: his ghost will stalk them all through the house everywhere 204 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: they go. There are similar, but milder reports from the 205 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: main parlor and the Gold Room. Here too, guests often 206 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: sense an unseen male energy, and invisible hands are said 207 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: to inappropriately touch the women who pass through it. Some 208 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: people even catch a whiff of Curtis's beloved cigars lingering 209 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: in the air. The hallway landing may hold danger for 210 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: visitors who often feel overwhelming sadness or hear the sounds 211 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: of heavy, labored breathing. In her book The Haunting of Greystone, Manner, 212 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: Heather also wrote that visitors often felt invisible hands shoving 213 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: them at the top of the stairs, like the spirits 214 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: wanted these visitors to take a bad fall. This is 215 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: also where several psychics have reportedly seen some kind of dark, 216 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: shadowy entity with red eyes. Some theorize the spirit might 217 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: be older than the house itself, and when it's spotted, 218 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: it's often staring into the Red Room. At one point 219 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: in the house's history, the former servants quarters were converted 220 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: into a children's bedroom, and the kids who stayed there 221 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: claimed that they saw the spirit of a young boy 222 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: and a so called crazy laughing lady. She terrorized them 223 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: by chasing them toward the stage. Again. It was like 224 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: the spirit wanted them to fall down them. It's unclear 225 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: who the laughing lady or the boy were in life. 226 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: Some rumors say that they were summoned from elsewhere during 227 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: a seance that was held in Greystone in the eighteen hundreds, 228 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: but there's no hard evidence of any kind of seance 229 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: being held in the house during that time. The most 230 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: disturbing accounts come from the Red Room and the basement. 231 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: The Red Room was where Curtis's daughter Flora slept during 232 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: her life, and the specter of a woman reportedly watches 233 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: guests sleep sometimes sitting at the foot of their bed. 234 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: This is said to be Flora's spirit. Often, the people 235 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: in this room feel an overwhelming sense of sadness. Here, 236 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: people have also interacted with a malicious entity that wraps 237 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: its fingers around their throats and squeezes. These attacks often 238 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: leave visitors with visible scratches and red marks on their necks. 239 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: As for the basement, there are countless reports of invisible 240 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: hands grabbed guests' ankles as they walk up or down 241 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: the stairs. So many people have tripped over the years 242 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: that the owners had to add risers to the staircase. 243 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: According to the Greystone Bed and Breakfast website, Once a 244 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: visitor makes it safely into the basement, they often see 245 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: floating balls of light that are the size of a 246 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: soccer ball, or a dark, shadowy figure that's apparently guarding 247 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: a particular corner. Additionally, some guests believe that there's some 248 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: kind of portal or vortex right behind the stairs. Some 249 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: guests even hear voices calling their names, drawing them toward 250 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: whatever lurks in that mysterious, unexplored space. Interestingly, dogs and 251 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: other animals generally refuse to set foot in the basement, 252 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: but there are stories of doglike noises from its depths, 253 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: including terrified whimpers. On top of that, visitors often report 254 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: cold spots, flickering lights, and electronic malfunctions all through the manner. 255 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: Like in many haunted spaces, people at grace Stone hear 256 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: voices in rooms that appear empty, or the sounds of 257 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: furniture scraping across the floor. It's oddly common for one 258 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: person in a large group to feel a sudden chill, 259 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: even while everyone else in their party says the temperature 260 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: is fine. On a lighter note, the manner may be 261 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: home to a ghost cat. A spectral black feline is 262 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: known to prowl from bedroom to bedroom. It might even 263 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: hop into the beds to cuddle with friendly looking visitors. 264 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: To dive even deeper into Greystone's rich but mysterious history, 265 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: I am interviewing the woman herself, my dear friend, Heather Madison, 266 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: that is coming up after the break. All right now, 267 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: I am joined currently by one of my favorite psychic mediums. 268 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: She does creep me out on occasion with her accuracy. 269 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: I have to say, Uh, the one and only Heather Madison, 270 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. 271 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 2: Hi. Yeah, thanks for having me. 272 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: I have to say, just kind of off the bat, 273 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: or just right off the bat, that I'm very very 274 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: particular about psychics and mediums that I work with, and 275 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: there's just always been something about your energy to me 276 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: that is just very comforting. And you're also I mean 277 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: it when I like, your accuracy is next level and 278 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: it's just something that is rarely, rarely seen. And there's 279 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: a story I want to tell a little bit later 280 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: about the donkeys. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But I also 281 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: feel like it's really kind of why you are at Graystone. 282 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: I think you're meant to be there, and so can 283 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: you just tell us, like how you ended up with Graystone? 284 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: What the story is there? 285 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: Ah? Yeah, We my husband, Bob and I we had 286 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: had met and I was living in the suburb of 287 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: Buffalo in a busy neighborhood and he's from the country. 288 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 2: We met and then we decided to get married. But 289 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: he's from the country. He wanted something with some land, 290 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 2: so we started house hunting and we weren't having a 291 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 2: luck and I wanted something older. He wanted something with 292 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: some land, but barns and outbuildings all that kind of stuff. 293 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: So we gave up and I got rid of all 294 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: the apps on my phone, and for some reason, for 295 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: house hunting, you know, for some reason, this house kept 296 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: popping up on my phone and saying, hey, we found 297 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: a house for you, and I kept deleting it because 298 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm We're going to wait a year, we'll 299 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 2: look later. And finally I just said, you know what, 300 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 2: let's look at this place. It just keeps popping up 301 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 2: with a phone. Called my friend who's a real estate agent, 302 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 2: and she took us out here to look at it, 303 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 2: and we sort of ended up here by accident. The 304 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: day we came to look at this house, we had 305 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: two other ones to look at that day. And we 306 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: walked in the door here and she a real estate agent. 307 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: She goes, hey, just got a text from the listing 308 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: and this house is no longer on the market, and 309 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 2: we're like, okay, So we turned around left. I never 310 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: got a chance to get a feel for this place. 311 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 2: I didn't look at it. You know how, normally, when 312 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: you go into any place, especially if your house hunting, 313 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 2: you get a vibe of the place. You know, you 314 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: walk around, you check faucets, all that kind of stuff. 315 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 2: So anyway, my husband had gone in the basement. Bob 316 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 2: went in the basement. He looked around and it was 317 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: all new down there, new concrete. He liked the basement, 318 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: but I never walked past the kitchen. I walked in 319 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: the doors there, and then we turned around left to 320 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: go look at the other two places. Then we looked 321 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 2: at the other two places. We didn't like either one 322 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 2: of those. We got home and Bob was like, hey, 323 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 2: I really liked that first place we looked at, and 324 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 2: he goes, we're just kidding around because he was going 325 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: for VA loan and the house was done foreclosure. So 326 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: those are two notorious government agencies that never, you know, 327 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 2: will okay a house this old and it's from the 328 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 2: eighteen thirties. So anyway, said it goes, I'm gonna put 329 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: a bit on it. Maybe the people who bid on 330 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 2: it bid low, so I'm just gonna put a bit 331 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 2: on it. And we were just totally goofing around. We 332 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 2: were not serious. I never looked at the place put 333 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 2: a bid. In day, they called us and said, hey, 334 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: you guys bought a house. We had no idea. I 335 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: didn't even look at it. 336 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. 337 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: So we're like, hey, hey, we need to go back 338 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: through it, we need to look at it, and they said, 339 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: well you can't. You're under contract now because you're buying it. 340 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: You can't go back through it until your final walk through. 341 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: So months go by, you know, it takes forever close 342 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 2: on a house. And I tell my friend, I'm like, hey, listen, 343 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 2: I have to be there with you when you're the 344 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: final inspection because we never got a chance to look 345 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 2: at the upstairs. We weren't anywhere in this house. She goes, okay, 346 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: and she forgot all about us telling her that, and 347 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 2: she text me and goes, hey, the walk through went great. 348 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 2: You guys are all set and we're like no. So 349 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: I swear they were keeping me out of here because 350 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: obvious the universe. 351 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: Needed to make sure that you could not change your mind. 352 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: Or yeah, oh for sure, because I would have walked 353 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: in here and went, oh my god. You know, there's 354 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 2: stuff in the basement, there's something going on up there's 355 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 2: in the hallway. 356 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: So what is what's your first thought when you finally 357 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: walk in and it's your house, Like, what is the 358 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: first thing that hits you when you walk in. 359 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: The Funny thing was we were getting ready to close 360 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 2: and the bank was like, hey, you guys had to 361 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 2: pint paint that shed. For some reason. It was the 362 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: only thing they asked us to do. There's a little 363 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: weird old milk house, not the house. They just want 364 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 2: us to paint the shed. And we're like, okay, because 365 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: they're just I have no idea. It was just also odd. 366 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: So we were there that day, and so we came 367 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 2: in like the day before and Bobba take the pictures 368 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: of the house. And he's a skeptic. He's ex military. 369 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 2: He's really funny. He's the one who's always like, that's 370 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: happening because it's humid outside. That's happening because of that. 371 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 2: It's the wind, you know. He's the total debunker guy. Yeah. Yeah, 372 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: but he always tries to be logical, you know. So 373 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 2: he took pictures that day. His daughter was here and 374 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 2: granddaughter that day. And get home that night and this 375 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 2: is like the day before we're going to move in, 376 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: and he's looking at pictures on the phone, going, hey, 377 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 2: I think something's going on that house, and like, don' 378 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: e in start, it's too late, like we're moving in tomorrow. 379 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: He goes, no, no, no, no, he's going to see it. 380 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 2: There's a woman in a window looking at us. You 381 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 2: could see her face in the window, and this house 382 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: is totally empty, there's nothing in here. And sure enough, 383 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 2: you zoom in and you can see her face. There's 384 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 2: like she's like peeking out of a curtain and you 385 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: can see her silhouette. She's looking at his daughter sitting 386 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: on the carriage step out front. The reason he was 387 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: looking at his photos is because he also thought he 388 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 2: saw a woman standing behind the house. Thought it was 389 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 2: his daughter, went over to talk to her, and he 390 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: had his head turned when he looked over, there was 391 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 2: no one there, right, And he said, was she just standing? Well, 392 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: you know his daughter, Karen? Was she just standing next 393 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: to me? Because he was like talking to her, he 394 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 2: could see her legs and feet the way he was 395 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: like standing. He was like looking in the back window. 396 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, she's been up front the whole time. 397 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: So he was the first one to sort of see it. 398 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: Wow, So right off the bat. Yeah, And how funny 399 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: that it's him too, because he's the skeptic and he's 400 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: the first one to notice something is something is a miss? Yeah, 401 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: And they mess with him too, you know, he's had 402 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: things thrown at him. He's had somebody climb into bed 403 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: with him before met multiple times in our bed room 404 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: in the back part of the house, which a previous 405 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: owner also told us about. After we moved in, we 406 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: met these people, you know, along the way, we got 407 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: in contact with other previous owners to compare notes, basically 408 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: because we wanted to know, Hey, did you have anything 409 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: like this. 410 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: Happened when you lived here? And yeah, so so strange 411 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: stuff that he picks up on. And the minute I 412 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,239 Speaker 2: moved the minute like we moved in, the day we 413 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: moved in, we had a whole crew of people. You know, 414 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: how they had is you have a million people coming in. 415 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 2: My nephews were all here with their friends. We had 416 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 2: you know, pizzas, probably thirty five forty people goofing around 417 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: moving boxes and and so I wasn't able to focus 418 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: on the house at all until the next morning. And 419 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: that's when we knew something was weird because we were 420 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 2: hearing talking. We heard what sounded like you know when 421 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 2: you open a dresser drawer and it's empty and it 422 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 2: makes that bumping sound that did you do sound? And 423 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 2: it sounded like great above us and what we call 424 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 2: the green room now and we we we're looking at 425 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: each other, going, hey, did somebody stay overnight, Like maybe 426 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: someone didn't want to drive all the way home, you know, 427 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: maybe some much crashed upstairs. So we did have a 428 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: lot of people and we go up there. Nobody's up there, 429 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: but we were hearing footsteps, we were hearing talking. It 430 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 2: was crazy. You could hear things sliding on the floor, 431 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 2: sliding across the floor, although it's carpeted, but sounded like 432 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: something was sliding across the wooden floor. 433 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: It must have been too, because it was empty for 434 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: a while right before you purchased it. Or wasn't there 435 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,959 Speaker 1: someone like working on it before and they basically got 436 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: run out of there, or you have to refresh my memory. 437 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, we had the people who lived here 438 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: before us. She was she worked for the government, and 439 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: her job transferred her down to Virginia and so she 440 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: could be closer to Washington, and so she was the 441 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: one who really sort of saved the house. She did 442 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: a lot of work on the house. She referbvershed quite 443 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: a bit of it. But she was also a historian, 444 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: so she knew to save certain things. And then she 445 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 2: was transferred down and the house sat for probably four 446 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: and a half years because they were trying to sell 447 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 2: it that while they bought a new house down there, 448 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 2: and they were trying to do upkeep on the house 449 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 2: up here in New York and then also a new 450 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 2: place down in Virginia, and there's just no way to 451 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: do both. So she had to sort of let it go, 452 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: went into foreclosure. 453 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's dreamy. When every time I see Greystone, 454 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: I always like immediately head to Zillow and I'm like, 455 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: I could buy an old Victorian in New York in 456 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. It's you know, it's quite a 457 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: fine and you know, but there is so much activity. 458 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: I've had a lot happen there. I've investigated it before, like, 459 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: what what do you think people? Because I now now 460 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: it's a bed and breakfast. You have people come in 461 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: and out. If you're going to stay at Graystone, what 462 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: can you expect to happen? Right? 463 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: I mean we are B and B, so we do 464 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: we cater to all different kinds of people. We're on 465 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: the Erie Canal, so we have people who ride their 466 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 2: bikes along the canal route that goes into New York 467 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: to Albany, and then we have people who stay for weddings, 468 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: wedding guests and stuff like that. But then we allow 469 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 2: you to paranormal investigate if you want. And you know, 470 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,479 Speaker 2: there's always a funny mix of people here. It's not 471 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: always just paranormal people, but the people who aren't paranormal 472 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 2: people will sometimes get messed with or they'll have experiences. 473 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 2: We've had everything happen here from shadow people. People have 474 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: had sleep paralysis in multiple rooms. We've had people actually 475 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: scratched and touched. They're very interactive and they're practical jokers. 476 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 2: So do they like to hide people's cell phones. They 477 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: goof around with things, they move things. My sister along 478 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: as she stayed here the one night in the morning, 479 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: she we had teacups out and she went to drink 480 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 2: tea to pull her teacup off of the saucer and 481 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: she couldn't pull off. It was like stuck to the table. 482 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 2: And she thought it was like pranking her, that we 483 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 2: like stuck it to the table or something to be funny. 484 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: And she said she literally couldn't lift it up. It 485 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: was like stuck. And then she reached over and it 486 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: was like loose like weird stuff. We have shadow people. 487 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 2: We've had Oh my gosh, stuff outside because there's so 488 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 2: many layers of history. Are you here? 489 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: There really is? 490 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 2: Yep. You've got the Native American barrel mounds out back 491 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 2: that go back to ancient history, was an underground railroad site. 492 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: There's quite a few things that went on here, lots 493 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 2: of different layers. 494 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: It seems like, just having investigated it for multiple nights, 495 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: it does seem like whoever is there seems very kind 496 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: of attached to the land. And I remembered in particular, 497 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: and I talked about it very early on in the 498 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: episode that there was there seemed to be activity kind 499 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: of around the cemetery or the graves, because there are graves. 500 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: There's a cemetery on the property, and I know you've 501 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: kind of cleaned it up since then, but I don't 502 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: remember if there were even any names on these headstones. 503 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: So it's very clearly some sort of cemetery. What's gone 504 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: on with that? How do you think that influences the 505 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: haunting exactly? 506 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 2: Well, we sort of saw that mystery and see you 507 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 2: and Adam were here. Anyone who's seen the episode, there's 508 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,479 Speaker 2: a part where you're sitting up by the cemetery doing 509 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: an Esti's method communicating the spear communication and you say 510 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: that they're seventeen buried behind you. And as far as 511 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 2: the graves go, we were told by the previous owner 512 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 2: and also the man who owns the land, so the 513 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 2: owners before them that there were graves on mark graves 514 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: on the property, aside from the ones that we did 515 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 2: find that we were sitting near. We were contacted back 516 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: in July of last year, twenty twenty four by a 517 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 2: historian and he just reached out and said, hey, you know, 518 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: sort of been following your page. I see that you 519 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 2: said they were on mark graves on the property. His 520 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 2: historian group. It's a bunch of historians. They all sort 521 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: of specialize in different types of history. The one is 522 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 2: a Native American historian. They all do different things. He 523 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 2: does map working and deeds and stuff, and he works 524 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: for the cemetery systems out in Lancaster, New York and Wilson, York. 525 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: So anyways, contacted me has said we were there in 526 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties and we believe that you have an 527 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: Erie Canal worker's encampment site on your property, and we 528 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 2: think those graves are workers from the Erie Canal who 529 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 2: dug the canal because our property is on the Erie Canal, 530 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: and I'm like, really, he said, we'd like to come 531 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: out and do some metal detect in we would like 532 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: to look around. He dowses for graves. I don't know 533 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: if you've ever seen anyone do that, but that's what 534 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: he does for the cemetery. System of doing this for 535 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 2: over thirty years, which you can do is you use 536 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: dowsing rods where people use them for water for livver 537 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: wells and water water witching. He uses them to find graves. 538 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 2: And when he works for the cemeteries, what they'll do 539 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: is like say they have to exhibit a body, He'll 540 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 2: go over there with the dowsing rounds. It will pimpoint 541 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 2: exactly where the person is and they know right where 542 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: to dig. Or if they're opening up a new section 543 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 2: of the cemetery, he'll dowse over there and make sure 544 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: nobody's in there, because you know, sometimes cemetery are three 545 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: hundred years old. You don't know there could be graves 546 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: there that weren't marked. So he'll go and clean up, 547 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 2: you know, clean that area and make sure there's no 548 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 2: one there. So he walked through our property and right 549 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: where we were sitting where you're doing that seys method. 550 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: There's nine people buried there, and then next to it 551 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 2: as you walk up into the area, there's another eight people, 552 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: so the seventeen total, and they're all males. 553 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: So I'm actually psychic, is what it boils down to. 554 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: That's exactly, yeah, Because the funny thing was we here. 555 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: I won't go out there at night. Remember I told 556 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: you that that's the one area as soon as it's 557 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 2: dark outside, Like you know, we have cats and I 558 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 2: have to round them up at night, make sure they're 559 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 2: in before it gets dark because we have owls and 560 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: we have feodes and all kinds of other and our 561 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 2: cats are jerks. You know, it's we'll get in the house. 562 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: So if they're like not coming in and it's dark, 563 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, you guys are on your own. I'm not 564 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 2: going back there to look for you. 565 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: It does have a vibe. It feels very heavy back 566 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: there in that area, for sure, So I could I 567 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: could definitely see that. I mean, it's funny because, like 568 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: you were saying, there's so many layers to that property 569 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: in particular, there's just so much to look at and explore. 570 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: The house itself is you know, there's a lot of 571 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: room that's very big, it's very beautiful. You've filled it 572 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: with so many you know, gorgeous antiques and there's taxidermy 573 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: and it's just really it's just decorated so well. The 574 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: dollroom is my personal favorite. There is a room of 575 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: dolls in Greystone, which I don't think I touched on 576 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: in the history. Just really quickly, can we just talk 577 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: about that real fast? What is the story with the dollroom. 578 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: So one of the graves and the property that belonged 579 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: to the Root family. The Root family were the ones 580 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 2: who lived here in the eighteen sixties, and they're the 581 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: ones who had the racetrack and the racehorses and all that. 582 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 2: There was a tombstone that's an hour ben and who's 583 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 2: a little boy, probably four or four or five years old, 584 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: other Root family, and we believe that that's who's in 585 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 2: the dollroom the kids room. Now, the lady who lived 586 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: here before me, she dug up that tombstone and had 587 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 2: it in the living room is decoration. The whole time 588 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 2: she lived here. She thought it was a racehorse grave. 589 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 2: Turns out it's a little boy of the Root family, 590 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 2: Benjamin Root and her son though used to complain when 591 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 2: that was his, that was his bedroom, that there's a 592 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: little boy in the closet who'd come out of the closets, 593 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 2: sit on the bed and want to play all the time, 594 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 2: and would talk to him, goof around. I've caught an 595 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: insane EVP I play for you if you want, or 596 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 2: he says, we've caught him talking in there, clearly like 597 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 2: I've never heard EPs like we catch here. They're clear 598 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 2: as a bell. And her son, when she was painting 599 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 2: the downstairs living room, she was using Dutch Boy paint 600 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 2: and the little drawing of the Dutch Boys on the can, 601 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: and he walked over. He's probably aout five years old, 602 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 2: and he walked over and pointed the can and said, oh, 603 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 2: that's a little boy in my room. So we know 604 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: what he looks like. It's not the Dutch Boy paint 605 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 2: gang boy, but yeah, we think he's in there. He 606 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 2: likes to mess around with the dolls. Things move around. 607 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 2: We've had we've got the monkeys with the cymbals, and 608 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 2: we have all kinds of stuff in there, ventraloquest dolls 609 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 2: and things that have fallen. Things have moved like right 610 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: in front of people, almost on cue. You can ask like, hey, 611 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 2: can you make this move or this this doll blink 612 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 2: and it'll blink. It's crazy. 613 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: Do you rent that room out? Do people stay in there? 614 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: Do you rent that room? 615 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: We do well, especially a lot of the ghost hunting teams, 616 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 2: like say you have a big group coming in, they'll 617 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 2: request that room because it's so active. But we had 618 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: a group of eight people. Its two paranormal groups that 619 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: are friends, ones out of Canada, the other one is 620 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 2: down to North Carolina and they meet up and explore places. 621 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 2: And it was seven girls, one boy in this group 622 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: and the one. The guy and one of the girls 623 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 2: were staying in the kids room that's bunk beds in there, 624 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 2: and he said he'd never seen anything like it. He 625 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 2: was so freaked out. They were investigating. About four thirty 626 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: in the morning, they decided to go to bed. He 627 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 2: was in the top bunk. So he crawls into the 628 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 2: top bunk in the kids room and he said, he's 629 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 2: sitting there on his phone. Put his phone down because 630 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 2: he thought he saw something moving at the foot of 631 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 2: the bed. And this is on the top bunk. He 632 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: said he saw fingers, black fingers curl up over the 633 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: edge of the end of the footboard or the bunk bed, 634 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 2: and then a head pop up like look at him, 635 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 2: but it was all solid black like shadow. He said. 636 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: He got so freaked out because it was solid. He said, 637 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 2: it didn't look like a mist. It wasn't I think 638 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: that he jumped, but it all of a sudden made 639 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 2: him sick though. He said he jumped out of the 640 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 2: bunk bed and ran to the bathroom and threw up 641 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 2: like it made him sick of that drained his energy 642 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 2: whatever it did. But people said they've seen a shadow 643 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 2: figure up there in that hallway and that looks like 644 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 2: a small child. Wow. 645 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: Now it seems like so the hauntings kind of run 646 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: the gamut there. Just I feel like there's reports that 647 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: go from you know, playful spirits to friendly spirits to 648 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: ones that are more like aggressive like pushing and scratching. 649 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: You know what, Why do you think there's such a 650 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: difference in the activity. 651 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 2: I mean, we were told so, you know, as a psychic. 652 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 2: When he first moved in here, I once I realized 653 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 2: there really was stuff going on. I mean, as soon 654 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 2: as I got in here and it was quiet and 655 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 2: I could like feel the house, I was asking, who's here? 656 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 2: And I had two spirits come right up to me. 657 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 2: Curtis Route was the one. He's the man who died 658 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 2: with a racehorse when he was crushed by the racehorse. 659 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 2: And then Mliss the Route, his wife who actually died 660 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 2: after him. She was older when she died, but she 661 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 2: appears in Victorian dressed and she hangs around the hallway 662 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: at the bottom of the stairs, almost like greeting people 663 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 2: when they comment. And they they told me because I 664 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 2: was asking them, like, well, why are you guys here, 665 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 2: and they said, well, they're protectors. They protect the property 666 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 2: in the land. They said it's a portal, and they 667 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 2: said it's a crossing point. And they said there's been multiple, 668 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 2: multiple deaths on the property. And what they'll do is 669 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 2: they'll leave angelic guard and they'll leave spirit guides on 670 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 2: property a land where there's been a lot of deaths. 671 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,439 Speaker 2: And there was a big massacre here. There's a Native 672 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 2: American thing that happened here, that scortch Earth campaign where 673 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 2: many Native Americans passed away. Again, there's you know the 674 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 2: Barrel Liunes up back. But then also we had a 675 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 2: lot of people die ne your canal workers because they 676 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 2: lost thousands of people while they're digging the canal. As 677 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 2: this people died, they just buried him on the property. 678 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 2: So basically it's like living in a cemetery. And Chip 679 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 2: picked up on it as well. Chip even said, he said, 680 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 2: you're in the ground level like in the basement. He goes, 681 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 2: you're you're in a burial site. He goes, you're in 682 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 2: a graveyard, which totally validated what we were told. And 683 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 2: and the other thing is that Curtis kept telling me, well, 684 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 2: you know, because I was they seem they were friendly. 685 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 2: He was friendlier than her. Melissa was a little more 686 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 2: strict Victorian. But he kept saying, we want a family 687 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 2: back in the house. I'm like, okay, I thought he 688 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 2: meant because I come from a big family, a lot 689 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 2: of siblings, is eight kids and family, and so does Bob. 690 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 2: So we have like a lot of the you know 691 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 2: things here as far as Thanksgiving, you know, Christmas, we'll 692 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: have the parties here as you have the room. And 693 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 2: that's what I thought he was talking about until my 694 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 2: cousin reached out to me about two years after we 695 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 2: moved in here and said, hey, just want to let 696 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 2: you know, doing our ancestry, checking our family tree and 697 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 2: We're actually blood related to the Root family, So Curtis 698 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 2: Root is my cousin. We have the same it's like 699 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 2: three times great grandfather Joshua Root, three boys. We're the 700 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 2: josh Root junior line. These people here are the Thomas 701 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 2: Root line. And the other boy was John Ruth. And 702 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 2: the freaky thing is when Curtis was living, when he 703 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 2: was alive, they all would have been first cousins. They 704 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 2: all would have known each other. 705 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were truly destined to be there, like I 706 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,919 Speaker 1: just I and I can feel it when I visit 707 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: you there, like that's just that's your place, That's where 708 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be. So I just I find it 709 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: to be so interesting. And so do you still do 710 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: readings and stuff out of the house. I can't remember. 711 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: I know you have a whole like room and stuff. 712 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if you had people and like you 713 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 1: that came in and you did readings for them and whatnot. 714 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 2: Yep, yep. I use this as my office. I do readings, 715 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 2: and you know you have psychic parties. I'm a reiki 716 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,240 Speaker 2: master as well as to do riky healing. 717 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,760 Speaker 1: Do you think that affects the energy and the house 718 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: at all or well. 719 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 2: We found out that Melissa Root was also psychic and 720 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 2: she used to do seances and things here. And then 721 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 2: also so were the Kulvinberg family, who were the family 722 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,399 Speaker 2: in after the Roots, and they were the ones who 723 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 2: brought up the dry cow's and all that. But they 724 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 2: had Wuiji boards and they did all kinds of stuff. 725 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 2: GasPort was a huge psychic center. It links to the 726 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 2: Palmyra you know that whole movement, a spiritualist movement. I 727 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 2: guess GasPort was a huge center for psychics way back 728 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 2: in the eighteen hundreds. 729 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: That's so interesting. So that brings me to investigating with 730 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: you and Paulmyra. I did a strange escape at the 731 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: Polmyra Museum, which to this day is one of the 732 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: most haunted places I've ever been, and I had you 733 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,399 Speaker 1: come along to help, and you had no idea where. 734 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: Oh no, this wasn't even this, This was a Kindred Spirits. 735 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: I take it back, Sorry, this Kindred later. 736 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,839 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, no. 737 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry. You did the event with me later, so 738 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,240 Speaker 1: you knew about that because you were advertised. But before 739 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: that you came out for Kindred. I was getting my 740 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: nights all mixed up. Everything just jumbles together. In my brain. 741 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: But so you came out. And so the way we 742 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: do psychic things on Kindred is we bring our psychics 743 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: in cold, meaning they have no idea where they're going. 744 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes will blindfold them like there's no you know, they 745 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: have no idea close enough where I think production or 746 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: someone met you guys somewhere and led you over or 747 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: drove you over. But the one thing that you do 748 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,359 Speaker 1: that I love is you'll start getting impressions, Like as 749 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: soon as you know you're gonna come help, you'll start 750 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: getting impressions and you start writing them down, sometimes like 751 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: weeks in advance, like if you just know, like all right, 752 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be helping these guys, because we've brought you 753 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: out a few times. And again it's completely cold. And 754 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: so Heather shows up and she's got all of these 755 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: notes and I wish we could go over all of 756 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: them on these cases, but we never have time. But 757 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: we're standing in one of like this one of the 758 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: store or something next to the palm Ira. Well there's 759 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 1: it's all part of the Palmyra Museum. You had written 760 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: the most random thing on your paper. It was like 761 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: you wrote you wrote donkeys, donkeys in the basement and 762 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking at your paper and I'm like, I say it. 763 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, Heather, donkeys, donkey's in the basement, Like you're like, 764 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: I just write down whatever. And literally one of the 765 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,439 Speaker 1: people that we there was like, oh, yeah, they kept 766 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: donkeys in the basement here downstairs, and they had a 767 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,439 Speaker 1: whole ramp out the back to bring and they would 768 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: come work the canal. And I was just like, yeah, 769 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: Illy s. 770 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 2: You know, make it weirder. They wrote donkeys the basement 771 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 2: and they wrote Jenny's and I'm thinking and like and 772 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 2: I had no clue that was a term for donkey. 773 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 2: And then yeah, the person who worked there, because I said, 774 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 2: they're showing me there's donkeys' amasement like now, and they said, 775 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 2: oh yeah, look over this little they had the floor 776 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 2: opened up with like glass and you look down into 777 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 2: the basement. Remember we didn't go that was where the 778 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 2: food was. 779 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 1: We didn't we didn't investigate that far. It was not 780 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: like that was where we had our gear and stuff. 781 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you just had like your your setup room, 782 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,760 Speaker 2: you know. And she goes, yeah, look over this banister, 783 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 2: we have donkey like heads attached to like saw horses. 784 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 2: To look like fake donkeys, but they had real donkeys. 785 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, what in that? I had no idea. 786 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 1: I had no idea either until I read it on 787 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: your paper and I was like, what the hell? And 788 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: what was weird? Is so funny is when I walked 789 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: into that building, I remember thinking it smelled like a barn, 790 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: Like it still smelled like a barn, and I was 791 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: just like, this is weird. I smell like hay or something. 792 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: But obviously donkeys have not been in that building for 793 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 1: you know, one hundred years at us. Oh yeah, it 794 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: was just so interesting that they just kept them. They 795 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,439 Speaker 1: had a little ramp and they had their stalls downstairs 796 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 1: with hay and food, and they kept them down there 797 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: at night, and then they brought them out to do 798 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,719 Speaker 1: their work during the day. 799 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was bizarre. That was absolutely crazy. 800 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: I yeah, you do stuff like that all the time. 801 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,399 Speaker 2: Keep you out a lot. 802 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,479 Speaker 1: Poor husband, I would. I'm sure he's just like used 803 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: to it. But do you know, I mean, you just 804 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: just I'm gonna be honest, like sometimes some of the 805 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: stuff you say, I just get genuine chills and I'll 806 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,239 Speaker 1: you know, I think one time you like offered to 807 00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: give me a reading and I was like, I'm good. 808 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 2: Because the way I do the way I do readings, though, 809 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 2: is I you know, I like to do a lot 810 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 2: of stands work. I'll hold items and I'll get information 811 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,560 Speaker 2: from those items, you know. But also I'll have you 812 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 2: send a photo of like yourself, you know. And then 813 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 2: I guess I like to have a focal point. I 814 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 2: like to sort of focus, and then I don't question. 815 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 2: I'll start hearing things around you, feeling things a medical 816 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 2: and pass all right down, like you know, oh my 817 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 2: back hurts, are this hurts? And then then I'll start 818 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 2: to hear things and I'll just write messages down. So 819 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 2: for the locations like that, when we were working on 820 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 2: those episodes, a lot of times, you like, you wouldn't 821 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 2: tell me at all where I'm going. You might tell Bob, 822 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 2: but he doesn't tell me. I have no idea where 823 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 2: I'm going. And I think the one I think, I said, hey, 824 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 2: just send me a picture of just like a building, don't. 825 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 2: I don't want to sign. I don't want to know 826 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 2: where I'm going so I can recognize it. But just 827 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 2: something like even a tree out in front of it, 828 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 2: just how I can sort of focus on the area. 829 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 2: You're in because I don't want any you know, idea 830 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 2: of where I'm going, and then they'll start to all 831 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 2: this information like almost like a location thing. Okay, well 832 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 2: this is what happened in the area, so it's pretty weird. 833 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 2: And then I just so I don't question it. That's 834 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 2: why all the weird medical stuff was coming up on 835 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 2: my notes as well, because they were like, oh yeah, 836 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 2: there's some strange medical stuff there. 837 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, oh yeah, you honed in on the doctor's bag. 838 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: So now I just I think you're truly gifted. I 839 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: find it to be fascinating and again scary, But that 840 00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: being said, I just want people to know, Like, so 841 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: people can stay at Graystone. I'm sure they can book 842 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,280 Speaker 1: you if they want to like contact you regarding Graystone 843 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: or any of the other wonderful things that you do. 844 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:33,399 Speaker 1: Where should they go? 845 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can just go to you know www dot 846 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 2: you know, graystonemanner dot com. Everything's right on and that's 847 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 2: the one main website. All of my like the psychic readings, 848 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 2: all that stuff is on there because we have a 849 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,359 Speaker 2: lot of people who stay with us and then they 850 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 2: want to have readings or they want to invest a panel, 851 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 2: investigate so there's choices, you know, you know, you can 852 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 2: just send me an email as well, Graystomanner Gmail dot com. 853 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 2: Our phone numbers on there too, seven and six for 854 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 2: six zero nine seven you can text that number two 855 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 2: or just call and make appointments. 856 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: I think it's a really great place for people to investigate, 857 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: and it's very comfortable and you're all very kind, and 858 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 1: it's just it's a it's a beautiful location. So I 859 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: do encourage people out there to visit Graystone or look 860 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: it up. And I'm sure you can find Heather on 861 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 1: the social media and watch the episodes of Kindred she 862 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: has been on because she's lovely. I want to thank 863 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: you for taking the time to chat with me today. 864 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely so good to talk to you again. And yeah, 865 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,879 Speaker 2: I'll keep you updated on the graves out back because 866 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 2: they want to zoom one this summer. They're going to 867 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:41,040 Speaker 2: take somebody up. Let's see, we'll see what they can find, 868 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 2: which is terrifying because I don't know if it's gonna 869 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 2: stir things up the. 870 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 1: Old house problems. Thanks Heather. It wasn't too long ago 871 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: that Greystone Manner was bustling with life from one generation 872 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: to the next. Farmers and entrepreneurs raised their families within 873 00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: the walls, while servants handled the housework. People laughed and 874 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: loved one another, had the occasional affair, and went about 875 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: their lives. Today, the Mannor's spirits still have plenty of 876 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: stories to tell, and their echoes will resound throughout its 877 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 1: halls for a long time to come. I Amy Bruney 878 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:35,040 Speaker 1: and This was Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a production 879 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio and Grimm and Miles from Aaron Minky. Haunted 880 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: Road is hosted and written by me Amy Bruney, with 881 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 1: additional research by Cassandra de Alba. This show is edited 882 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,920 Speaker 1: and produced by supervising producer Rima el Kali, with executive 883 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,399 Speaker 1: producers Aaron Menke, Trevor Young, and Matt Frederick. Learn more 884 00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,399 Speaker 1: about this show over at Grimandmild dot com. 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