WEBVTT - #441 Jason Flom with Jeremy Puckett

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<v Speaker 1>On March fourteenth, nineteen ninety eight, the body of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old Anthony Golotti was found alongside a desolate stretch

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<v Speaker 1>of road outside of Sacramento, California. The case remained cold

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<v Speaker 1>for over a year until a young man named Israel

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<v Speaker 1>Sept went to prison on a gun charge and offered

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<v Speaker 1>authorities information about the murder. According to Sept, he was

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<v Speaker 1>at an apartment when two others, Angela Devorski and Jeremy Pucket, assaulted, robbed,

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<v Speaker 1>and abducted Anthony Golotti. Then, according to Sept, he got

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<v Speaker 1>into Anthony's car with them to keep him safe from

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<v Speaker 1>further violence, but failed when they arrived at that stretch

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<v Speaker 1>of road where Golotti was fatally shot. In the weeks

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<v Speaker 1>following the murder, Angelo Devorski also turned up dead, leaving

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<v Speaker 1>only Jeremy Pucket to stay a trial where Scept made

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<v Speaker 1>good on his plea deal and sent Jeremy away for life.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is wrongful conviction. Wrongful conviction has always given

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Rafel Conviction. Today, we have a story

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<v Speaker 1>out of Northern California in the years following legislation that

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<v Speaker 1>had been passed to stop ironically prosecutions just like this

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<v Speaker 1>one that use snitch testimony that is not corroborated by

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<v Speaker 1>independent evidence. Nevertheless, a path was made with the help

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<v Speaker 1>of other incentivized witnesses, to let that happened. And here

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<v Speaker 1>to help tell this story as an attorney with the

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<v Speaker 1>Northern California Inisons Project, Karen Sanu, New Tower, Karen, Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, and our.

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<v Speaker 1>Guest of honor today, the man who lived and somehow

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<v Speaker 1>survived this night, mayre Jeremy Pucket. Jeremy welcome, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>And this crime took place in a place called Rancho

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<v Speaker 1>Cordova kind of outside of Sacramento anyway. Is that where

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<v Speaker 1>you grew up and what was your family life like?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I grew up in Sacramento, California, pretty much all

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<v Speaker 2>over the place, mainly ranch cordova'sself, and we moved around

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, you know, and didn't have the most money

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<v Speaker 2>or anything. But you know, my parents they did the

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<v Speaker 2>best they could and gave me, my brother and my

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<v Speaker 2>sister the best life that we could have. So I

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<v Speaker 2>had a great childhood. It was good. It was really good.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late eighties and early nineties, the crack epidemic

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<v Speaker 1>affected many of Jeremy's friends, but not him. Instead, Jeremy

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<v Speaker 1>became a father who's clear head served him well. One night,

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<v Speaker 1>when his young family faced a situation.

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<v Speaker 2>The house call on fire while me and my son's mother,

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<v Speaker 2>Carl were sleeping, and as I woke up, I opened

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<v Speaker 2>up the door and there was just smoke coming up

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<v Speaker 2>the stairs. So I went across the hall grabbed my son,

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<v Speaker 2>and because of all the smoke and everything's coming from downstairs,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew we had to jump out the window. When

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<v Speaker 2>we jumped out the window, at that time, I knew

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<v Speaker 2>that her sister would sleep downstairs, and so I kicked

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<v Speaker 2>in the door to get her out. However, when her

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<v Speaker 2>sister was coming out the door, that's when she told

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<v Speaker 2>me that one of my good friends was sleeping. My

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<v Speaker 2>son's Auntie's room basically, and by that time the house

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<v Speaker 2>was up in flames and there's nothing we can do

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<v Speaker 2>to save them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, what was his name?

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<v Speaker 2>Benny Campbell? And I think the worst part of it

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<v Speaker 2>was is I heard her scream as he was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get out, and like, this is like not just

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<v Speaker 2>a friend, Like he was like one of my best friends.

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<v Speaker 2>So just to not be able to save him, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And it still affects me, I guess you could say,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just and still miss him to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy displayed true heroism that night, but unbeknownst to him,

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<v Speaker 1>his friend Israel Scept harbored some resentments over Benny's death.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe I met him through Benny. I thought we

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<v Speaker 2>had a good relationship. I thought we were good friends.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he came to my house, I would go

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<v Speaker 2>to his house. But yeah, I guess we were as

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<v Speaker 2>good as friends as I thought thought we were.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel Scept became integral to Jeremy's wrongful conviction for a

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<v Speaker 1>murder that in part began at the apartment of a

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<v Speaker 1>young man named William van Hill.

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<v Speaker 3>This was a small, one bedroom apartment in the heart

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<v Speaker 3>of Rancho Cordova, and William van Hill would let people

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<v Speaker 3>come to the house and deal drugs and he would

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<v Speaker 3>get some drugs through that, and he also was letting

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<v Speaker 3>a guy named Larry Biddlebrooks crash there every once in

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<v Speaker 3>a while, and so on the particular night in March

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety eight, Larry middle brook Brooks was there. Van

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<v Speaker 3>Hill was pretty much in his bedroom. A woman named

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<v Speaker 3>Patty Scott Bostik was there. She and Larry Middlebrooks were

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<v Speaker 3>heavily using crack cocaine that night and drinking a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Israel Sep was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy planned to hang out with Israel step that night

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<v Speaker 1>after a family gathering.

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<v Speaker 2>Had a little get together. It was no part or nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>and we had a little barbecue. It was me, my

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<v Speaker 2>sister's friend, Chante, my son's mother, Akara, my mom was there,

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<v Speaker 2>my dad was there. There was a few people there

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<v Speaker 2>that could all testify to my whereabouts this night. Prior

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<v Speaker 2>to my leaving and coming back, I remember talking to Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>He told me what was going to be at. I

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<v Speaker 2>showed up and as I seen how things were progressing

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<v Speaker 2>at the apartment where he was at, I pulled myself

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<v Speaker 2>out of that and went back home.

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<v Speaker 3>The victim of the murder, Anthony Glotti, showed up wanting

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<v Speaker 3>to buy some drugs to celebrate his nineteenth birthday. He

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<v Speaker 3>was by himself.

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<v Speaker 2>The Goliath didn't looked like the usual crack I guess

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<v Speaker 2>she would say, so he showed up. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy looks like he might be the police. And

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<v Speaker 2>I told Scept this, and Set was still intent on

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<v Speaker 2>selling this guy drugs. And that's when I decided to

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<v Speaker 2>pull myself out of that situation and leave because I

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<v Speaker 2>was not gonna be involved in something that got myself

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>With and Galotti was a young, young god yeah guy

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<v Speaker 3>that everyone called the preppy because he didn't look like

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<v Speaker 3>anyone else in the apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not to judge anybody, but just look out of place.

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<v Speaker 3>But he saw this young attractive woman, Angela Devorski, and

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<v Speaker 3>he left the apartment, but then told his friends he

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to go back and meet up with the girl.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know Andrew Devorski. The only people, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>you really knew it was Israel and Larry. That's about it.

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<v Speaker 1>According to all accounts, Angela Davorski was there with her

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend James Reeves, also referred to as Jamo, but the

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<v Speaker 1>accounts diverge on what happened between the time Jeremy left

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<v Speaker 1>the apartment that night and when Anthony glotti body was

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<v Speaker 1>found on March fourteenth, nineteen ninety eight, on White Rock Road.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a driver going down the road spotted him and

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<v Speaker 3>called it in to police. He was at the side

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<v Speaker 3>of the road in an unincorporated area of Sacramento County.

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<v Speaker 3>It appeared that he had been shot out there. His

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<v Speaker 3>hands were tied behind his back. Really an assassination type murder.

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<v Speaker 3>Originally they thought he had one bullet wound to the head,

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<v Speaker 3>but after autopsy, they realized he had been shot twice

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<v Speaker 3>in the head.

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<v Speaker 1>The medical examiner later testified that the time of death

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<v Speaker 1>was likely between five and seven am on Saturday, March fourteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Two days later, an I think Alotti's Pontiac fireberg was

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<v Speaker 1>found set ablaze in a parking lot, and then, as

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<v Speaker 1>police continued to question non associates, Angela Devoorski's body washed

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<v Speaker 1>up in the American River on May first of ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 1>She had been stabbed twelve times. Her case remains cold

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<v Speaker 1>to this day, but Galotti's investigation was reinvigorated when Israel's

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<v Speaker 1>SEPT was victed an unlawful discharge of a firearm in

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<v Speaker 1>October of ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 3>As soon as you are taken to prison, your DNA

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<v Speaker 3>is taken. In California, Israel believed that his DNA was

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<v Speaker 3>going to implicate him in the murder of Anthony Gollotti,

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<v Speaker 3>so he contacted the Sheriff's office to tell a story

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<v Speaker 3>that would take the focus away from him and onto

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<v Speaker 3>someone else. He then was interviewed by the Sacramento Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 3>office three or four times, and each story was inconsistent.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy's jury never heard about Sept's motivation. Nevertheless, it appears

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<v Speaker 1>that SEPT bounced inconsistent stories off the Sacramento Sheriff's department

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<v Speaker 1>until they landed on a narrative which Anthony Gollotti came

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<v Speaker 1>to William Van Hill's apartment to buy some drugs, and

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<v Speaker 1>Scept alleged that Jeremy Pistol whipped and tied up Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>with the help of Angela Devorski. Scept said that he

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<v Speaker 1>followed them out to Anthony's car, where he allegedly told

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony that he would come along and keep him safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Jeremy allegedly drove them all out to White Rock Road,

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<v Speaker 1>took Anthony out of the car, shot him, and drove off,

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<v Speaker 1>dropping sept at a motel. Shortly after this account, Jeremy

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<v Speaker 1>was brought in for questioning.

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<v Speaker 2>They were just asking me questions about a murder that happened,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I have to know something about this, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm from the neighborhood or whatever, and I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea what they're talking about. I believe they mentioned Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when I started trying like peaceful things agein.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, this is what's going on, But

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<v Speaker 2>I still had no idea of what happened after I

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<v Speaker 2>had left the apartment where he was at this night.

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<v Speaker 1>Curiously, only Scept was charged in June of two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and taken to trial in March two thousand and.

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<v Speaker 3>One, because all they have is this so called confession

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<v Speaker 3>by Israel, and so they have to try them separately

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<v Speaker 3>because Israel will have the opportunity to take the Fifth

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<v Speaker 3>Amendment and then there'd be no case. And they can't

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<v Speaker 3>just use this statement because Jeremy wouldn't have had a

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<v Speaker 3>chance to cross exam Israel, so they had to try

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<v Speaker 3>them separately, and so they started with Israel and then

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<v Speaker 3>of course he folded after opening statement. But he cut

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<v Speaker 3>a deal. I mean, he went from life without the

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<v Speaker 3>possibility of parole to what eleven years eight months. But

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<v Speaker 3>when he was actually sentenced, he even got a better deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Shortly after steps leaning a plea deal for robbery and

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<v Speaker 1>accessory to murder, they arrested Jeremy.

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<v Speaker 2>All our members being at work and I was called

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<v Speaker 2>to the office and I had a feeling that something

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<v Speaker 2>might goals, like something just wasn't right. I walked into

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<v Speaker 2>the office. That's when I was basically surrounded by officers

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<v Speaker 2>placed in handcuffs, placed in the car, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta have the wrong person, because I ain't hurt nobody.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't kill nobody, Like I don't know what you

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<v Speaker 2>guys are talking about, Like you got to have the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong person, And they're like, no, got you with this

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<v Speaker 2>and now whatever. I'm trying to convince them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but they didn't want to hear nothing. I had to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I pretty much preached together that something was being pinned

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<v Speaker 2>on me from Israel. I believed during the initial interview

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<v Speaker 2>with my investigator, he was still sticking to his story

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<v Speaker 2>that it was all me, and then during the second

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<v Speaker 2>one that's when he recanted his story.

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<v Speaker 1>Prior to trial, Israel set recanted in an interview with

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy's private investigator and gave some version of the truth,

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<v Speaker 1>saying something about Middlebrooks having set up Anthony Allotti for

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<v Speaker 1>a robbery and quote, Jeremy not involved. Jeremy knew nothing

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<v Speaker 1>about robbing anyone. That's the God's truth end quote. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Sept never said who was responsible, though, but with this

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<v Speaker 1>recantation in the bag, it appears that Jeremy's attorney didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel the need to develop an alibi defense or look

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<v Speaker 1>into any of the state's evidence, including Israel SEP's motel

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<v Speaker 1>receipt that was alleged to a line with the morning

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<v Speaker 1>of March fourteenth.

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<v Speaker 3>The motel receipt shows that Sepp registered at this motel

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<v Speaker 3>at four to twenty am and there was a number

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<v Speaker 3>on the receipt six seven one eight. The receipt was messy,

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<v Speaker 3>but if you look at the next receipt six seven

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<v Speaker 3>nine with a totally independent party registering at six ten am,

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<v Speaker 3>you realize it was on the morning of the thirteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was one part as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the one prior to it. That's correct. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's no doubt that this hotel entry was on the thirteenth.

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<v Speaker 3>But however, the Sacramento DA just said it's on the fourteenth.

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<v Speaker 3>She talked about it as though he registered the mourning

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<v Speaker 3>of the fourteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>This could mean one of a few things. Perhaps the

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<v Speaker 1>medical examiner was mistaken about the time of death between

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<v Speaker 1>five and seven am on the fourteenth, or perhaps the

0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:17.760
<v Speaker 1>state glossed over the discrepancy in order to align the

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<v Speaker 1>findings of the autopsy with the morning after Jeremy had

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<v Speaker 1>actually made an appearance at Van Hill's apartment March twelfth

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<v Speaker 1>and to the thirteenth. This could have been uncovered by

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy's attorney had he just bothered to look at his alibi.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition, it's important to note that, according to nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety one California legislation, jail house inform and testimony has

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<v Speaker 1>to be corroborated by independent evidence. Perhaps the prosecutor, Marjorie Kohler,

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<v Speaker 1>used this motel receipt from the thirteenth to check that

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<v Speaker 1>box for a crime that occurred on the fourteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>None of the witnesses or anybody testified to the thirteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>They were told from the prosecution of what day this happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Jeremy's right. The prosecution would just say, let me draw

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<v Speaker 3>your attention to the night of the thirteenth or the

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<v Speaker 3>morning of the fourteenth, So witnesses just went along with that.

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<v Speaker 3>No one said, oh, wait a minute, this happened on

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<v Speaker 3>a Thursday night.

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<v Speaker 1>And this wasn't the only dirty trick. In her opening statements,

0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Kohler raised the specter of the fire that killed Benny

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<v Speaker 1>Campbell as well as the murderer of Angela divorce key.

0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.040
<v Speaker 3>They tried to implicate Jeremy in that murder.

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<v Speaker 2>She already knew she had a week case, so she's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to throw everything in to make me look bad

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<v Speaker 2>from the get go.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Jeremy's attorney asked the judge to Clara misstrial, and

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<v Speaker 1>when the judge asked Kohler if she had the evidence

0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:37.080
<v Speaker 1>to corroborate her implications. She said that there was evidence

0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.120
<v Speaker 1>linking Jeremy, but just not enough to charge him.

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<v Speaker 3>But that wasn't true, and she was admonished by the

0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:45.760
<v Speaker 3>judge that this wasn't proper.

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<v Speaker 2>She was actually told to tell the jerry that I

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<v Speaker 2>had nothing to do with that, and she said no, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so the judge himself had to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge instructed the jury that the prosecutor could not

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<v Speaker 1>corroborate her implications, and then the trial proceeded.

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<v Speaker 3>The state presents middle Brooks. Middlebrooks said he was in

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<v Speaker 3>the bathroom doing cocaine with Patty Scott Bostick and that

0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:13.040
<v Speaker 3>he didn't think that Jeremy was there, and Patty Scott

0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.600
<v Speaker 3>Bostick always said that she never looked out the door.

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<v Speaker 3>And then she got on the stand and then she

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<v Speaker 3>said she heard Jeremy yelling. She had never testified to

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<v Speaker 3>that before, but we found out later that she wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to testify favorably because she was on probation at the

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<v Speaker 3>time she testified, and the jury was never told this. Again.

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<v Speaker 3>The jury has to hear if a witness has a

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<v Speaker 3>motive to make an entirely new statement that had never

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<v Speaker 3>been made before, so that's what Patty said. And then

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<v Speaker 3>van Hill said he saw Anthony Glotti being removed by

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<v Speaker 3>two black men and based on their height difference, he

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<v Speaker 3>thought it might be Israel and Jeremy. Again, that was

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<v Speaker 3>a new statement made it.

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<v Speaker 1>In his earlier statements, van Hill said that the two

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<v Speaker 1>black men were about the same height. Then at trial,

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<v Speaker 1>he said that his memory had improved since his first

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<v Speaker 1>interview just after the crime. In addition, he described Israel

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<v Speaker 1>Scept as being five to four, much shorter than his

0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.960
<v Speaker 1>actual height five to ten, which notably is not much

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<v Speaker 1>shorter than Jeremy at six foot one.

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<v Speaker 2>His stores all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>We learned during our investigation, unfortunately, that mister van Hill

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<v Speaker 3>had many psychological problems, but of course the jury never

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<v Speaker 3>heard that.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course none of the supporting testimony mattered as

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<v Speaker 1>much as Israel Scept. And we don't know what happened

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<v Speaker 1>between his recantation and trial, but perhaps the prosecutor reminded

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<v Speaker 1>him about the deal they had made.

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<v Speaker 2>Either testify against me and say it was all me,

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<v Speaker 2>or there's going to take his deal back. And he

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<v Speaker 2>was face to life without the possibility to role. He

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<v Speaker 2>just went back to the script he was given when

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<v Speaker 2>he took the deal. What was crazy about that is

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<v Speaker 2>that prior to being into the courtroom, we were in

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<v Speaker 2>separate sales, like basically across from each other. And now

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<v Speaker 2>I ask them personally, like what are you doing? Like

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<v Speaker 2>why you doing this to me? I still remember him

0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.200
<v Speaker 2>saying like, I know, I'm sorry, And when I get

0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.119
<v Speaker 2>back in there, I'm gonna go in there and tell

0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.920
<v Speaker 2>them the truth that you have nothing to do with it. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, soon we get back into the courtroom, it

0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.080
<v Speaker 2>was like everything that was just said he completely forgot,

0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:24.600
<v Speaker 2>and then he's just got the back to pointing the

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<v Speaker 2>finger right back at me.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy's attorney was able to cross Examinecept with not only

0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.880
<v Speaker 1>inconsistencies with his prior statements, but also his recantation.

0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.560
<v Speaker 2>A course Scept denied it. And that's why I was

0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:40.480
<v Speaker 2>shot that my trial attorney didn't call their investigator to

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<v Speaker 2>rebut his role.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait wait wait, wait, so he didn't even bother to

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<v Speaker 1>call the investigator to present the recantation.

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<v Speaker 3>It's unbelievable. It's absolutely I tell people this story that

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<v Speaker 3>the attorney had a recantation he didn't put on it,

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<v Speaker 3>and they can't believe it, let alone the data the

0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.960
<v Speaker 3>murder is even wrong. It's just unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>The jury had not heard the motivations of those testifying,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the full recantation by this state star witness,

0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.520
<v Speaker 1>so they predictably returned a guilty verdict for first degree

0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.520
<v Speaker 1>murder robbery, but curiously not guilty for unlawful use of

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<v Speaker 1>a firearmy.

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<v Speaker 2>All I remember is hearing is I was guilty of

0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.880
<v Speaker 2>murder and everything else I didn't hear. I blacked out.

0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:23.960
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't until my mother came and visited me that

0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.200
<v Speaker 2>she's the one who told me that I was found

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<v Speaker 2>not guilty of the gun, and that kind of shot

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<v Speaker 2>me because I thought once I heard guilty murder, I

0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.400
<v Speaker 2>felt I was guilty of everything. Everything just blacked out.

0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.040
<v Speaker 2>I heard nothing else, and I just especially see my

0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:52.080
<v Speaker 2>life just washed away like it was nothing. You walked

0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.920
<v Speaker 2>into the yard and all you see is these big

0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:59.119
<v Speaker 2>brick walls and you just realize like you're really imprisoned,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're going to rest your life here for something

0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.919
<v Speaker 2>you didn't do. It was heartbreaking. I couldn't sleep for

0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:06.840
<v Speaker 2>the first couple of nights because I couldn't even believe

0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.760
<v Speaker 2>I was in the situation I was even in. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a doggy doll world in there. You know, it's a

0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.440
<v Speaker 2>battle of the fitness. It's a survival instinct that you

0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.160
<v Speaker 2>must have in prison to make it through. I've seen

0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.000
<v Speaker 2>people come in prison and not make it at all,

0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:21.000
<v Speaker 2>and I've seen people commit suicide before. I've seen people

0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:23.720
<v Speaker 2>get killed in prison. I've seen all type of things happen.

0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:26.679
<v Speaker 2>I've seen people overdose. I've seen basically just about everything

0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.359
<v Speaker 2>in there. And thank God that I was able to

0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.840
<v Speaker 2>put my faith in God and keep fighting. And I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it is always frustrating to know that you're doing

0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:37.320
<v Speaker 2>everything you can, but knowing it is not enough.

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<v Speaker 1>After his initial appeal, Jeremy fought his case pro sae,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning on his own, without an attorney, from inside of

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<v Speaker 1>his prison cell.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course it was so hard for Jeremy because

0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.280
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't have anyone to find that the evidence has

0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:55.399
<v Speaker 3>been suppressed. He's banging up against a brick wall because

0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.879
<v Speaker 3>he can't get into the DA file, into his own file,

0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.679
<v Speaker 3>into the file of Angela divorce. KI out on the

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<v Speaker 3>street to interview people.

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<v Speaker 2>I was almost ready to give up because I was

0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.720
<v Speaker 2>tired of getting all the denials on my own and

0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:11.880
<v Speaker 2>to thank god, I had my sister and my mom,

0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.800
<v Speaker 2>my cousins and everybody, a strong core in my family

0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.000
<v Speaker 2>that still believed in me no matter what. And I

0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:19.760
<v Speaker 2>look back on it and I think it was my daughter,

0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:21.840
<v Speaker 2>and my daughter saved my life. I'll never forget that

0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:23.960
<v Speaker 2>day she came to saw me and I think, my

0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.240
<v Speaker 2>sister's gonna get something to eat for us, and my

0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.560
<v Speaker 2>son and my niece. They went to a player and

0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:31.159
<v Speaker 2>I was telling my daughter, like, oh, I want you

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<v Speaker 2>go play with your brother and your cousin, and she's like, no,

0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:35.920
<v Speaker 2>I want to stay here with you. And I remember

0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:37.840
<v Speaker 2>her looking at me and she was like, when you

0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.160
<v Speaker 2>wait you excuse me. She said, when you come home,

0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:43.399
<v Speaker 2>when you're gonna come home, because I want you home.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I knew right there. I had to

0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.159
<v Speaker 2>keep fighting, not for myself, for my kids. I couldn't

0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:50.600
<v Speaker 2>give up.

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<v Speaker 1>After about fourteen long years of denials, and appellate Cord

0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Karen and the Northern California Indoston's Project took on Jeremy's

0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.560
<v Speaker 1>case and were able to un what Jeremy never could

0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:03.639
<v Speaker 1>have from the inside.

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<v Speaker 3>Sepp told the detectives that a man with the nickname

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<v Speaker 3>Jamo brought Angela Devorski to the apartment, and that was

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<v Speaker 3>a very important sentence that he said that. I don't

0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:22.520
<v Speaker 3>think Jeremy's trial attorney appreciated the importance of it at

0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:27.720
<v Speaker 3>the time. Because the Sheriff's detectives had suppressed the evidence

0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:29.840
<v Speaker 3>related to Angela Devorski.

0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Much of the discovery that should have come to Jeremy's

0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:36.320
<v Speaker 1>defense attorney remained hidden in the Angela Davorski murder file.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about seven hundred pages worth.

0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Pages and pages of evidence, witness after witness saying Jamo

0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:52.399
<v Speaker 3>had control over Angela Devorski, and Angela's diary talked about

0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:56.000
<v Speaker 3>the control that Jamo had over her, and that Jamo

0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.920
<v Speaker 3>and Angela Devorski did set up robberies. They would use

0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:04.800
<v Speaker 3>her as a lure for young men who wanted to

0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:08.400
<v Speaker 3>spend some time with her, to put it nicely, and

0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:14.000
<v Speaker 3>instead they would rob the young man. In the suppressed evidence,

0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:18.000
<v Speaker 3>we learned that there were two witnesses that actually saw

0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:21.199
<v Speaker 3>the set up robberies going on. And once you know

0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:25.040
<v Speaker 3>that and know that Jamo is controlling her, then the

0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:28.560
<v Speaker 3>story starts to make sense. The story Step told didn't

0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:31.960
<v Speaker 3>make any sense. But this is a robbery gone bad

0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:36.200
<v Speaker 3>and they've set up Anthony Golotti. We learned that Jamo

0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:40.600
<v Speaker 3>went to an apartment where a gun was later found,

0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:43.520
<v Speaker 3>and we believe that is the gun used to pistol

0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:49.600
<v Speaker 3>whip Anthony Golotti. And the investigating detective had said that

0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:53.720
<v Speaker 3>this gun was connected to the Glotti murder, and yet

0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:58.240
<v Speaker 3>that information was never turned over to Jeremy's attorney.

0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:03.879
<v Speaker 1>So they hid not only the motives of all of

0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:07.680
<v Speaker 1>the trial witnesses who testified falsely, but now it was

0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:11.119
<v Speaker 1>also discovered that they'd hidden a way more compelling suspect,

0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:15.960
<v Speaker 1>James Reeves or Jamo, Who's estranged wife, Connie Goins, gave

0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:20.199
<v Speaker 1>a statement sworn statement in twenty fifteen in which she

0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.480
<v Speaker 1>said that Jamo had always said that Jeremy had nothing

0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:26.840
<v Speaker 1>to do with Anthony Glotti's robbery and murder, and he

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 1>knew that because he was there at the time of

0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:33.440
<v Speaker 1>the crime. Moreover, this is supported by the fact that

0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:37.439
<v Speaker 1>Angela Davorski's diary contained the names of one hundred and

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:41.679
<v Speaker 1>twenty one men, and get this, not one of them

0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:42.520
<v Speaker 1>is Jeremy.

0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:46.399
<v Speaker 3>There's no evidence that they knew one another, and during

0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:51.879
<v Speaker 3>the investigation of the Divorski murder, many witnesses were shown

0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 3>Jeremy's picture friends of hers. No one could identify Jeremy.

0:23:56.800 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 3>They ran in completely separate and disc circles.

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:04.520
<v Speaker 1>The choice to pursue Jeremy over Jamo made me wonder

0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:08.679
<v Speaker 1>if perhaps investigators were protecting Jamo. Maybe he was cooperating

0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.680
<v Speaker 1>in other cases, but that doesn't seem to fit here.

0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:17.880
<v Speaker 3>The sheriff never interviewed Jamo. This is investigation one oh one.

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.880
<v Speaker 3>You interview everyone who was there that night. They never

0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:26.679
<v Speaker 3>interviewed him. My theory is that the police were negligent.

0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:31.159
<v Speaker 3>I think Sepp was protecting Jamo. That's my theory of

0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.160
<v Speaker 3>the case. What do you think, Jeremy.

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:37.040
<v Speaker 2>I think they were so solely focused on me that

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.120
<v Speaker 2>they didn't care about anybody else.

0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:42.439
<v Speaker 3>That was an easy prosecution. We don't have to do

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:45.720
<v Speaker 3>any more work. If you accuse Jeremy, how can he

0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:48.560
<v Speaker 3>defend himself other than just say I had nothing to

0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:50.680
<v Speaker 3>do with it. By the time he's interviewed, he can

0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 3>hardly remember that night. You know, it's a year and

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:53.680
<v Speaker 3>a half later.

0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:57.720
<v Speaker 1>The Northern California, and this projects, along with attorneys from Simpson,

0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Thatcher and Bartlett, filed a state which they had to

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:03.640
<v Speaker 1>fight all the way up to the state Supreme Court

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.720
<v Speaker 1>to finally get a hearing, where they presented there's absolute

0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:10.400
<v Speaker 1>mountain of Brady material, the recantation evidence, the statement from

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Connie Goins as well as an expert to point out

0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the discrepancy between dates in the state's narrative and the

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<v Speaker 1>time of death.

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor Melanik was incredible. There was no question by the

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<v Speaker 3>time she was done testifying that they had the date

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<v Speaker 3>of the murder wrong, and they actually conceded that finally,

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<v Speaker 3>finally correct. At the very end of the hearing, they

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<v Speaker 3>conceded that the gun evidence came in that they had suppressed.

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<v Speaker 3>Jamo had made this statement by the time of the

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<v Speaker 3>hearing to one of our investigators, and so he said, no,

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<v Speaker 3>Jeremy had nothing to do with the murder. I was there.

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<v Speaker 3>So everything went right in the hearing. I think we

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<v Speaker 3>were feeling positive.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I felt good, but of course, you just

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<v Speaker 2>never know where it's going to go. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>day that I found out was one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>happiest and craziest days. Ever, I finally got my case overturned.

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<v Speaker 3>It was pretty emotional, and of course it was the

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<v Speaker 3>day that California is shut down, like.

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<v Speaker 2>A few days.

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<v Speaker 3>So the good news is you're gonna get out. The

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<v Speaker 3>good news is it's a shutdown.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Friday thirteenth. At that well, it was crazy. Everybody

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<v Speaker 2>else is losing their minds, and I'm like, oh, y'all

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<v Speaker 2>think you this is nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>When we're all home crying in our soup that we

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<v Speaker 3>can't go out. Jeremy gets a driver's license, a passport,

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<v Speaker 3>a job, a car, housing, He lived life and it

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<v Speaker 3>was just amazing. And you know, we needed to get

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<v Speaker 3>his record cleared and all that and everything now was

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<v Speaker 3>slowed down because of COVID the hearing for factual innocence

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<v Speaker 3>that didn't come till the following January.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of shocking when we had the factual innocence

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<v Speaker 2>because she told me it's going to be like two

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<v Speaker 2>or three days and he's only there for like fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes. And when he finally said what he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I had to turn through us. I didn't know what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what just happened? She's like, you won

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<v Speaker 2>you're actually insigt now and it was just a shock

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<v Speaker 2>for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy was awarded statutory compensation from California just under a

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars, and as of February twenty twenty two, he's

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<v Speaker 1>been pursuing civil litigation.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm playing a small role again, Simpson Thatcher. The law

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<v Speaker 3>firm is working on it and Jeremy has just inspired

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<v Speaker 3>everyone in that firm to get behind him, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>very hopeful that will be successful. But again Sacramento, they

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<v Speaker 3>continued to fight us, even though Jeremy was wrongfully convicted,

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.359
<v Speaker 3>served nineteen years for a crime he didn't commit, and

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<v Speaker 3>has been found factionally innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, life goes on, and Jeremy has been

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<v Speaker 1>doing his best to adjust to life on the outside.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a job. I've officially bought me a house

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<v Speaker 2>seven months ago. I had my grandkids. Building my relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with my kids who were just My kids were two

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:08.920
<v Speaker 2>and one when I initially got locked up and I

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 2>came out, they were grown. So trying to rebuild that

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:15.119
<v Speaker 2>relationship has been ongoing. It's a little bumpy sometimes, but

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 2>you know where the loved you can see the love

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:20.199
<v Speaker 2>is there. Or really see in a relationship now. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's going good. So life's been pretty good so far,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm just looking forward to continue to grow every

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<v Speaker 2>day and make life even better.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy's freedom would not have been possible without the dedication

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<v Speaker 1>of Karen's new new tower and the other great folks

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<v Speaker 1>at the Northern California Innocence Project, which we will link

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode of description. Please support them and follow

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<v Speaker 1>their work, as there are countless people like Jeremy who

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.120
<v Speaker 1>still need their help. And with that, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>turn into closing arguments, where, of course, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>get the privilege of thanking each of you first of all,

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Karen and Jeremy, and then turning off my microphone, kicking

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<v Speaker 1>back in my chair with my eyes closed and my

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 1>headphones on, and just listening to anything else you want

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<v Speaker 1>to share with me and with our fantastic audience. So Karen,

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<v Speaker 1>it's traditional you go first and then just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>hand the mic off to Jeremy and he'll take us

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<v Speaker 1>off into the sunset.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I feel very honored to have been on the

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<v Speaker 3>journey to justice with Jeremy Puckett. I've gained a friend

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 3>and learned a lot through his ordeal, and he's let

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<v Speaker 3>me enter his life, He's shared his most intimate details,

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<v Speaker 3>and I believe we've built a friendship out of this

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<v Speaker 3>crazy situation. How the two of us came together is

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<v Speaker 3>the stuff stories are made of. But it's been my

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<v Speaker 3>honor to work with Jeremy, and I look forward to

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<v Speaker 3>wrapping up the civil suit and still maintaining that friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just want to thank you for having me

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<v Speaker 2>here and being able to tell my story. And I

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<v Speaker 2>also want to just think people like like Karen, the

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<v Speaker 2>whole NCIP organization and the whole project organization in itself,

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 2>as well as Buzz and everybody from a team, from

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 2>the Cents and Thatsher, from Don, everybody who helped me

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<v Speaker 2>with my case. And then I think most importantly I

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<v Speaker 2>think I would like to say is that if there

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<v Speaker 2>is somebody listening to this who is innocent, locked up

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 2>to keep fighting, to keep going. I don't care who

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<v Speaker 2>says what If you know you're innocent, keep going because

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<v Speaker 2>your day will come. I don't know when. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how, but your day will come. The truth

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<v Speaker 2>always fulvails.

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