1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: On March fourteenth, nineteen ninety eight, the body of nineteen 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: year old Anthony Golotti was found alongside a desolate stretch 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: of road outside of Sacramento, California. The case remained cold 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: for over a year until a young man named Israel 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: Sept went to prison on a gun charge and offered 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: authorities information about the murder. According to Sept, he was 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: at an apartment when two others, Angela Devorski and Jeremy Pucket, assaulted, robbed, 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: and abducted Anthony Golotti. Then, according to Sept, he got 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: into Anthony's car with them to keep him safe from 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: further violence, but failed when they arrived at that stretch 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: of road where Golotti was fatally shot. In the weeks 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: following the murder, Angelo Devorski also turned up dead, leaving 13 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: only Jeremy Pucket to stay a trial where Scept made 14 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: good on his plea deal and sent Jeremy away for life. 15 00:00:55,400 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: But this is wrongful conviction. Wrongful conviction has always given 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: voice to innocent people in prison. Now we're expanding that 17 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: voice to you. 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Today, we have a story 24 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: out of Northern California in the years following legislation that 25 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: had been passed to stop ironically prosecutions just like this 26 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: one that use snitch testimony that is not corroborated by 27 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: independent evidence. Nevertheless, a path was made with the help 28 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: of other incentivized witnesses, to let that happened. And here 29 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: to help tell this story as an attorney with the 30 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: Northern California Inisons Project, Karen Sanu, New Tower, Karen, Welcome 31 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: to the show. 32 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 2: Thank you, and our. 33 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: Guest of honor today, the man who lived and somehow 34 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: survived this night, mayre Jeremy Pucket. Jeremy welcome, thank you. 35 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: And this crime took place in a place called Rancho 36 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: Cordova kind of outside of Sacramento anyway. Is that where 37 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: you grew up and what was your family life like? 38 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: Well, I grew up in Sacramento, California, pretty much all 39 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: over the place, mainly ranch cordova'sself, and we moved around 40 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: a lot, you know, and didn't have the most money 41 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: or anything. But you know, my parents they did the 42 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: best they could and gave me, my brother and my 43 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: sister the best life that we could have. So I 44 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: had a great childhood. It was good. It was really good. 45 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: In the late eighties and early nineties, the crack epidemic 46 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: affected many of Jeremy's friends, but not him. Instead, Jeremy 47 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: became a father who's clear head served him well. One night, 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: when his young family faced a situation. 49 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: The house call on fire while me and my son's mother, 50 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: Carl were sleeping, and as I woke up, I opened 51 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: up the door and there was just smoke coming up 52 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: the stairs. So I went across the hall grabbed my son, 53 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: and because of all the smoke and everything's coming from downstairs, 54 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 2: I knew we had to jump out the window. When 55 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 2: we jumped out the window, at that time, I knew 56 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: that her sister would sleep downstairs, and so I kicked 57 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: in the door to get her out. However, when her 58 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: sister was coming out the door, that's when she told 59 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: me that one of my good friends was sleeping. My 60 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: son's Auntie's room basically, and by that time the house 61 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: was up in flames and there's nothing we can do 62 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: to save them. 63 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: Oh man, what was his name? 64 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: Benny Campbell? And I think the worst part of it 65 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: was is I heard her scream as he was trying 66 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: to get out, and like, this is like not just 67 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 2: a friend, Like he was like one of my best friends. 68 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: So just to not be able to save him, you know, 69 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: And it still affects me, I guess you could say, 70 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: and it's just and still miss him to this day. 71 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: Jeremy displayed true heroism that night, but unbeknownst to him, 72 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: his friend Israel Scept harbored some resentments over Benny's death. 73 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: I believe I met him through Benny. I thought we 74 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: had a good relationship. I thought we were good friends. 75 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: You know, he came to my house, I would go 76 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: to his house. But yeah, I guess we were as 77 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: good as friends as I thought thought we were. 78 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: Israel Scept became integral to Jeremy's wrongful conviction for a 79 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: murder that in part began at the apartment of a 80 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: young man named William van Hill. 81 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: This was a small, one bedroom apartment in the heart 82 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: of Rancho Cordova, and William van Hill would let people 83 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 3: come to the house and deal drugs and he would 84 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: get some drugs through that, and he also was letting 85 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: a guy named Larry Biddlebrooks crash there every once in 86 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: a while, and so on the particular night in March 87 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight, Larry middle brook Brooks was there. Van 88 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 3: Hill was pretty much in his bedroom. A woman named 89 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 3: Patty Scott Bostik was there. She and Larry Middlebrooks were 90 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 3: heavily using crack cocaine that night and drinking a lot. 91 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: And then Israel Sep was there. 92 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: Jeremy planned to hang out with Israel step that night 93 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: after a family gathering. 94 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: Had a little get together. It was no part or nothing, 95 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: and we had a little barbecue. It was me, my 96 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: sister's friend, Chante, my son's mother, Akara, my mom was there, 97 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: my dad was there. There was a few people there 98 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: that could all testify to my whereabouts this night. Prior 99 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: to my leaving and coming back, I remember talking to Israel. 100 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: He told me what was going to be at. I 101 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: showed up and as I seen how things were progressing 102 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: at the apartment where he was at, I pulled myself 103 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 2: out of that and went back home. 104 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,239 Speaker 3: The victim of the murder, Anthony Glotti, showed up wanting 105 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: to buy some drugs to celebrate his nineteenth birthday. He 106 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 3: was by himself. 107 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 2: The Goliath didn't looked like the usual crack I guess 108 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: she would say, so he showed up. I was like, 109 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: this guy looks like he might be the police. And 110 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: I told Scept this, and Set was still intent on 111 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: selling this guy drugs. And that's when I decided to 112 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: pull myself out of that situation and leave because I 113 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 2: was not gonna be involved in something that got myself 114 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: in trouble. 115 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 3: With and Galotti was a young, young god yeah guy 116 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: that everyone called the preppy because he didn't look like 117 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: anyone else in the apartment. 118 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: It's not to judge anybody, but just look out of place. 119 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 3: But he saw this young attractive woman, Angela Devorski, and 120 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 3: he left the apartment, but then told his friends he 121 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 3: wanted to go back and meet up with the girl. 122 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: I didn't know Andrew Devorski. The only people, I guess 123 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 2: you really knew it was Israel and Larry. That's about it. 124 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: According to all accounts, Angela Davorski was there with her 125 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: boyfriend James Reeves, also referred to as Jamo, but the 126 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: accounts diverge on what happened between the time Jeremy left 127 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: the apartment that night and when Anthony glotti body was 128 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: found on March fourteenth, nineteen ninety eight, on White Rock Road. 129 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: Just a driver going down the road spotted him and 130 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: called it in to police. He was at the side 131 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: of the road in an unincorporated area of Sacramento County. 132 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: It appeared that he had been shot out there. His 133 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: hands were tied behind his back. Really an assassination type murder. 134 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 3: Originally they thought he had one bullet wound to the head, 135 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: but after autopsy, they realized he had been shot twice 136 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: in the head. 137 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: The medical examiner later testified that the time of death 138 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: was likely between five and seven am on Saturday, March fourteenth. 139 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: Two days later, an I think Alotti's Pontiac fireberg was 140 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: found set ablaze in a parking lot, and then, as 141 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: police continued to question non associates, Angela Devoorski's body washed 142 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: up in the American River on May first of ninety eight. 143 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: She had been stabbed twelve times. Her case remains cold 144 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: to this day, but Galotti's investigation was reinvigorated when Israel's 145 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: SEPT was victed an unlawful discharge of a firearm in 146 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: October of ninety nine. 147 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: As soon as you are taken to prison, your DNA 148 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: is taken. In California, Israel believed that his DNA was 149 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: going to implicate him in the murder of Anthony Gollotti, 150 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 3: so he contacted the Sheriff's office to tell a story 151 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: that would take the focus away from him and onto 152 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: someone else. He then was interviewed by the Sacramento Sheriff's 153 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 3: office three or four times, and each story was inconsistent. 154 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: Jeremy's jury never heard about Sept's motivation. Nevertheless, it appears 155 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: that SEPT bounced inconsistent stories off the Sacramento Sheriff's department 156 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: until they landed on a narrative which Anthony Gollotti came 157 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: to William Van Hill's apartment to buy some drugs, and 158 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: Scept alleged that Jeremy Pistol whipped and tied up Anthony 159 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: with the help of Angela Devorski. Scept said that he 160 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: followed them out to Anthony's car, where he allegedly told 161 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: Anthony that he would come along and keep him safe. 162 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: Then Jeremy allegedly drove them all out to White Rock Road, 163 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: took Anthony out of the car, shot him, and drove off, 164 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: dropping sept at a motel. Shortly after this account, Jeremy 165 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: was brought in for questioning. 166 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: They were just asking me questions about a murder that happened, 167 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: Like I have to know something about this, because you know, 168 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: I'm from the neighborhood or whatever, and I don't have 169 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: no idea what they're talking about. I believe they mentioned Israel, 170 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: and that's when I started trying like peaceful things agein. 171 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is what's going on, But 172 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: I still had no idea of what happened after I 173 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: had left the apartment where he was at this night. 174 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: Curiously, only Scept was charged in June of two thousand 175 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: and taken to trial in March two thousand and. 176 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: One, because all they have is this so called confession 177 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 3: by Israel, and so they have to try them separately 178 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: because Israel will have the opportunity to take the Fifth 179 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 3: Amendment and then there'd be no case. And they can't 180 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 3: just use this statement because Jeremy wouldn't have had a 181 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 3: chance to cross exam Israel, so they had to try 182 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 3: them separately, and so they started with Israel and then 183 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: of course he folded after opening statement. But he cut 184 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 3: a deal. I mean, he went from life without the 185 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 3: possibility of parole to what eleven years eight months. But 186 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: when he was actually sentenced, he even got a better deal. 187 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: Shortly after steps leaning a plea deal for robbery and 188 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: accessory to murder, they arrested Jeremy. 189 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: All our members being at work and I was called 190 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: to the office and I had a feeling that something 191 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: might goals, like something just wasn't right. I walked into 192 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: the office. That's when I was basically surrounded by officers 193 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: placed in handcuffs, placed in the car, and I was like, 194 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: you gotta have the wrong person, because I ain't hurt nobody. 195 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: I didn't kill nobody, Like I don't know what you 196 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: guys are talking about, Like you got to have the 197 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: wrong person, And they're like, no, got you with this 198 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 2: and now whatever. I'm trying to convince them, you know, 199 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: but they didn't want to hear nothing. I had to say. 200 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: You're listening to Wrongful Conviction. You can listen to this 201 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: and all the Lava for Good podcasts one week early 202 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: and ad free by subscribing to Lava for Good plus 203 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts. 204 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: I pretty much preached together that something was being pinned 205 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: on me from Israel. I believed during the initial interview 206 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 2: with my investigator, he was still sticking to his story 207 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: that it was all me, and then during the second 208 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: one that's when he recanted his story. 209 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: Prior to trial, Israel set recanted in an interview with 210 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: Jeremy's private investigator and gave some version of the truth, 211 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: saying something about Middlebrooks having set up Anthony Allotti for 212 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: a robbery and quote, Jeremy not involved. Jeremy knew nothing 213 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: about robbing anyone. That's the God's truth end quote. Wow. 214 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: Sept never said who was responsible, though, but with this 215 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: recantation in the bag, it appears that Jeremy's attorney didn't 216 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: feel the need to develop an alibi defense or look 217 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: into any of the state's evidence, including Israel SEP's motel 218 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: receipt that was alleged to a line with the morning 219 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:23,359 Speaker 1: of March fourteenth. 220 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: The motel receipt shows that Sepp registered at this motel 221 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 3: at four to twenty am and there was a number 222 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 3: on the receipt six seven one eight. The receipt was messy, 223 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 3: but if you look at the next receipt six seven 224 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 3: nine with a totally independent party registering at six ten am, 225 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: you realize it was on the morning of the thirteenth. 226 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: And there was one part as well. 227 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the one prior to it. That's correct. So 228 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 3: there's no doubt that this hotel entry was on the thirteenth. 229 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: But however, the Sacramento DA just said it's on the fourteenth. 230 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 3: She talked about it as though he registered the mourning 231 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: of the fourteenth. 232 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: This could mean one of a few things. Perhaps the 233 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: medical examiner was mistaken about the time of death between 234 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: five and seven am on the fourteenth, or perhaps the 235 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: state glossed over the discrepancy in order to align the 236 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: findings of the autopsy with the morning after Jeremy had 237 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: actually made an appearance at Van Hill's apartment March twelfth 238 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: and to the thirteenth. This could have been uncovered by 239 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: Jeremy's attorney had he just bothered to look at his alibi. 240 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: In addition, it's important to note that, according to nineteen 241 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: ninety one California legislation, jail house inform and testimony has 242 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: to be corroborated by independent evidence. Perhaps the prosecutor, Marjorie Kohler, 243 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: used this motel receipt from the thirteenth to check that 244 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: box for a crime that occurred on the fourteenth. 245 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: None of the witnesses or anybody testified to the thirteenth. 246 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: They were told from the prosecution of what day this happened. 247 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 3: Jeremy's right. The prosecution would just say, let me draw 248 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: your attention to the night of the thirteenth or the 249 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 3: morning of the fourteenth, So witnesses just went along with that. 250 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: No one said, oh, wait a minute, this happened on 251 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 3: a Thursday night. 252 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: And this wasn't the only dirty trick. In her opening statements, 253 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: Kohler raised the specter of the fire that killed Benny 254 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: Campbell as well as the murderer of Angela divorce key. 255 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: They tried to implicate Jeremy in that murder. 256 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: She already knew she had a week case, so she's 257 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: trying to throw everything in to make me look bad 258 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: from the get go. 259 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: Anyway, Jeremy's attorney asked the judge to Clara misstrial, and 260 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: when the judge asked Kohler if she had the evidence 261 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: to corroborate her implications. She said that there was evidence 262 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: linking Jeremy, but just not enough to charge him. 263 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: But that wasn't true, and she was admonished by the 264 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 3: judge that this wasn't proper. 265 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: She was actually told to tell the jerry that I 266 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: had nothing to do with that, and she said no, yeah, 267 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: so the judge himself had to do it. 268 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: The judge instructed the jury that the prosecutor could not 269 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: corroborate her implications, and then the trial proceeded. 270 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 3: The state presents middle Brooks. Middlebrooks said he was in 271 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 3: the bathroom doing cocaine with Patty Scott Bostick and that 272 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 3: he didn't think that Jeremy was there, and Patty Scott 273 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 3: Bostick always said that she never looked out the door. 274 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: And then she got on the stand and then she 275 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: said she heard Jeremy yelling. She had never testified to 276 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: that before, but we found out later that she wanted 277 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 3: to testify favorably because she was on probation at the 278 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: time she testified, and the jury was never told this. Again. 279 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 3: The jury has to hear if a witness has a 280 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 3: motive to make an entirely new statement that had never 281 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: been made before, so that's what Patty said. And then 282 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: van Hill said he saw Anthony Glotti being removed by 283 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 3: two black men and based on their height difference, he 284 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 3: thought it might be Israel and Jeremy. Again, that was 285 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: a new statement made it. 286 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: In his earlier statements, van Hill said that the two 287 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: black men were about the same height. Then at trial, 288 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: he said that his memory had improved since his first 289 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: interview just after the crime. In addition, he described Israel 290 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: Scept as being five to four, much shorter than his 291 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: actual height five to ten, which notably is not much 292 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: shorter than Jeremy at six foot one. 293 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: His stores all over the place. 294 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 3: We learned during our investigation, unfortunately, that mister van Hill 295 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 3: had many psychological problems, but of course the jury never 296 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 3: heard that. 297 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: But of course none of the supporting testimony mattered as 298 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: much as Israel Scept. And we don't know what happened 299 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: between his recantation and trial, but perhaps the prosecutor reminded 300 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: him about the deal they had made. 301 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: Either testify against me and say it was all me, 302 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: or there's going to take his deal back. And he 303 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: was face to life without the possibility to role. He 304 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: just went back to the script he was given when 305 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: he took the deal. What was crazy about that is 306 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: that prior to being into the courtroom, we were in 307 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 2: separate sales, like basically across from each other. And now 308 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 2: I ask them personally, like what are you doing? Like 309 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: why you doing this to me? I still remember him 310 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 2: saying like, I know, I'm sorry, And when I get 311 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 2: back in there, I'm gonna go in there and tell 312 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 2: them the truth that you have nothing to do with it. Right. 313 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: But well, soon we get back into the courtroom, it 314 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: was like everything that was just said he completely forgot, 315 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 2: and then he's just got the back to pointing the 316 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 2: finger right back at me. 317 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: Jeremy's attorney was able to cross Examinecept with not only 318 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: inconsistencies with his prior statements, but also his recantation. 319 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 2: A course Scept denied it. And that's why I was 320 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: shot that my trial attorney didn't call their investigator to 321 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 2: rebut his role. 322 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait, so he didn't even bother to 323 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: call the investigator to present the recantation. 324 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. It's absolutely I tell people this story that 325 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: the attorney had a recantation he didn't put on it, 326 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 3: and they can't believe it, let alone the data the 327 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: murder is even wrong. It's just unbelievable. 328 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: The jury had not heard the motivations of those testifying, 329 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: as well as the full recantation by this state star witness, 330 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: so they predictably returned a guilty verdict for first degree 331 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: murder robbery, but curiously not guilty for unlawful use of 332 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: a firearmy. 333 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: All I remember is hearing is I was guilty of 334 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 2: murder and everything else I didn't hear. I blacked out. 335 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: It wasn't until my mother came and visited me that 336 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: she's the one who told me that I was found 337 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: not guilty of the gun, and that kind of shot 338 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: me because I thought once I heard guilty murder, I 339 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 2: felt I was guilty of everything. Everything just blacked out. 340 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 2: I heard nothing else, and I just especially see my 341 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: life just washed away like it was nothing. You walked 342 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 2: into the yard and all you see is these big 343 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 2: brick walls and you just realize like you're really imprisoned, 344 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 2: like they're going to rest your life here for something 345 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 2: you didn't do. It was heartbreaking. I couldn't sleep for 346 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: the first couple of nights because I couldn't even believe 347 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: I was in the situation I was even in. It's 348 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: a doggy doll world in there. You know, it's a 349 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 2: battle of the fitness. It's a survival instinct that you 350 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 2: must have in prison to make it through. I've seen 351 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: people come in prison and not make it at all, 352 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: and I've seen people commit suicide before. I've seen people 353 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: get killed in prison. I've seen all type of things happen. 354 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 2: I've seen people overdose. I've seen basically just about everything 355 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: in there. And thank God that I was able to 356 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: put my faith in God and keep fighting. And I 357 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: guess it is always frustrating to know that you're doing 358 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: everything you can, but knowing it is not enough. 359 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: After his initial appeal, Jeremy fought his case pro sae, 360 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: meaning on his own, without an attorney, from inside of 361 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: his prison cell. 362 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 3: And of course it was so hard for Jeremy because 363 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 3: he doesn't have anyone to find that the evidence has 364 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 3: been suppressed. He's banging up against a brick wall because 365 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 3: he can't get into the DA file, into his own file, 366 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 3: into the file of Angela divorce. KI out on the 367 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 3: street to interview people. 368 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 2: I was almost ready to give up because I was 369 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 2: tired of getting all the denials on my own and 370 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: to thank god, I had my sister and my mom, 371 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: my cousins and everybody, a strong core in my family 372 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: that still believed in me no matter what. And I 373 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: look back on it and I think it was my daughter, 374 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 2: and my daughter saved my life. I'll never forget that 375 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: day she came to saw me and I think, my 376 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: sister's gonna get something to eat for us, and my 377 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: son and my niece. They went to a player and 378 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 2: I was telling my daughter, like, oh, I want you 379 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 2: go play with your brother and your cousin, and she's like, no, 380 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 2: I want to stay here with you. And I remember 381 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 2: her looking at me and she was like, when you 382 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 2: wait you excuse me. She said, when you come home, 383 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 2: when you're gonna come home, because I want you home. 384 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 2: And that's what I knew right there. I had to 385 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 2: keep fighting, not for myself, for my kids. I couldn't 386 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: give up. 387 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: After about fourteen long years of denials, and appellate Cord 388 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: Karen and the Northern California Indoston's Project took on Jeremy's 389 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: case and were able to un what Jeremy never could 390 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: have from the inside. 391 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 3: Sepp told the detectives that a man with the nickname 392 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 3: Jamo brought Angela Devorski to the apartment, and that was 393 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 3: a very important sentence that he said that. I don't 394 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: think Jeremy's trial attorney appreciated the importance of it at 395 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 3: the time. Because the Sheriff's detectives had suppressed the evidence 396 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 3: related to Angela Devorski. 397 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: Much of the discovery that should have come to Jeremy's 398 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: defense attorney remained hidden in the Angela Davorski murder file. 399 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: I'm talking about seven hundred pages worth. 400 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 3: Pages and pages of evidence, witness after witness saying Jamo 401 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 3: had control over Angela Devorski, and Angela's diary talked about 402 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 3: the control that Jamo had over her, and that Jamo 403 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 3: and Angela Devorski did set up robberies. They would use 404 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 3: her as a lure for young men who wanted to 405 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 3: spend some time with her, to put it nicely, and 406 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 3: instead they would rob the young man. In the suppressed evidence, 407 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 3: we learned that there were two witnesses that actually saw 408 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 3: the set up robberies going on. And once you know 409 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 3: that and know that Jamo is controlling her, then the 410 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 3: story starts to make sense. The story Step told didn't 411 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: make any sense. But this is a robbery gone bad 412 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 3: and they've set up Anthony Golotti. We learned that Jamo 413 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 3: went to an apartment where a gun was later found, 414 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: and we believe that is the gun used to pistol 415 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 3: whip Anthony Golotti. And the investigating detective had said that 416 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 3: this gun was connected to the Glotti murder, and yet 417 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 3: that information was never turned over to Jeremy's attorney. 418 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: So they hid not only the motives of all of 419 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: the trial witnesses who testified falsely, but now it was 420 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: also discovered that they'd hidden a way more compelling suspect, 421 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: James Reeves or Jamo, Who's estranged wife, Connie Goins, gave 422 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: a statement sworn statement in twenty fifteen in which she 423 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: said that Jamo had always said that Jeremy had nothing 424 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: to do with Anthony Glotti's robbery and murder, and he 425 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: knew that because he was there at the time of 426 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: the crime. Moreover, this is supported by the fact that 427 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: Angela Davorski's diary contained the names of one hundred and 428 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: twenty one men, and get this, not one of them 429 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: is Jeremy. 430 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 3: There's no evidence that they knew one another, and during 431 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 3: the investigation of the Divorski murder, many witnesses were shown 432 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: Jeremy's picture friends of hers. No one could identify Jeremy. 433 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 3: They ran in completely separate and disc circles. 434 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: The choice to pursue Jeremy over Jamo made me wonder 435 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: if perhaps investigators were protecting Jamo. Maybe he was cooperating 436 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: in other cases, but that doesn't seem to fit here. 437 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 3: The sheriff never interviewed Jamo. This is investigation one oh one. 438 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 3: You interview everyone who was there that night. They never 439 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 3: interviewed him. My theory is that the police were negligent. 440 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 3: I think Sepp was protecting Jamo. That's my theory of 441 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 3: the case. What do you think, Jeremy. 442 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: I think they were so solely focused on me that 443 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 2: they didn't care about anybody else. 444 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 3: That was an easy prosecution. We don't have to do 445 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 3: any more work. If you accuse Jeremy, how can he 446 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 3: defend himself other than just say I had nothing to 447 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 3: do with it. By the time he's interviewed, he can 448 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 3: hardly remember that night. You know, it's a year and 449 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 3: a half later. 450 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: The Northern California, and this projects, along with attorneys from Simpson, 451 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: Thatcher and Bartlett, filed a state which they had to 452 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: fight all the way up to the state Supreme Court 453 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: to finally get a hearing, where they presented there's absolute 454 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: mountain of Brady material, the recantation evidence, the statement from 455 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: Connie Goins as well as an expert to point out 456 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: the discrepancy between dates in the state's narrative and the 457 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: time of death. 458 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 3: Doctor Melanik was incredible. There was no question by the 459 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 3: time she was done testifying that they had the date 460 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 3: of the murder wrong, and they actually conceded that finally, 461 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 3: finally correct. At the very end of the hearing, they 462 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: conceded that the gun evidence came in that they had suppressed. 463 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: Jamo had made this statement by the time of the 464 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 3: hearing to one of our investigators, and so he said, no, 465 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 3: Jeremy had nothing to do with the murder. I was there. 466 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 3: So everything went right in the hearing. I think we 467 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 3: were feeling positive. 468 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: I mean I felt good, but of course, you just 469 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: never know where it's going to go. And then the 470 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: day that I found out was one of the most 471 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: happiest and craziest days. Ever, I finally got my case overturned. 472 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 3: It was pretty emotional, and of course it was the 473 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 3: day that California is shut down, like. 474 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: A few days. 475 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 3: So the good news is you're gonna get out. The 476 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 3: good news is it's a shutdown. 477 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, Friday thirteenth. At that well, it was crazy. Everybody 478 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: else is losing their minds, and I'm like, oh, y'all 479 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 2: think you this is nothing. 480 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: When we're all home crying in our soup that we 481 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 3: can't go out. Jeremy gets a driver's license, a passport, 482 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 3: a job, a car, housing, He lived life and it 483 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 3: was just amazing. And you know, we needed to get 484 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: his record cleared and all that and everything now was 485 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 3: slowed down because of COVID the hearing for factual innocence 486 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 3: that didn't come till the following January. 487 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 2: It's kind of shocking when we had the factual innocence 488 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 2: because she told me it's going to be like two 489 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: or three days and he's only there for like fifteen 490 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: twenty minutes. And when he finally said what he said, 491 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: I had to turn through us. I didn't know what happened. 492 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 2: I was like, what just happened? She's like, you won 493 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: you're actually insigt now and it was just a shock 494 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 2: for everybody. 495 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: Jeremy was awarded statutory compensation from California just under a 496 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: million dollars, and as of February twenty twenty two, he's 497 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: been pursuing civil litigation. 498 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 3: I'm playing a small role again, Simpson Thatcher. The law 499 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 3: firm is working on it and Jeremy has just inspired 500 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: everyone in that firm to get behind him, and we're 501 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 3: very hopeful that will be successful. But again Sacramento, they 502 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 3: continued to fight us, even though Jeremy was wrongfully convicted, 503 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 3: served nineteen years for a crime he didn't commit, and 504 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 3: has been found factionally innocent. 505 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: In the meantime, life goes on, and Jeremy has been 506 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: doing his best to adjust to life on the outside. 507 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: I have a job. I've officially bought me a house 508 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 2: seven months ago. I had my grandkids. Building my relationship 509 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 2: with my kids who were just My kids were two 510 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 2: and one when I initially got locked up and I 511 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: came out, they were grown. So trying to rebuild that 512 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 2: relationship has been ongoing. It's a little bumpy sometimes, but 513 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: you know where the loved you can see the love 514 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 2: is there. Or really see in a relationship now. So 515 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: that's going good. So life's been pretty good so far, 516 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 2: and I'm just looking forward to continue to grow every 517 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 2: day and make life even better. 518 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: Jeremy's freedom would not have been possible without the dedication 519 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: of Karen's new new tower and the other great folks 520 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: at the Northern California Innocence Project, which we will link 521 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: in the episode of description. Please support them and follow 522 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: their work, as there are countless people like Jeremy who 523 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: still need their help. And with that, I want to 524 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: turn into closing arguments, where, of course, you know, I 525 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: get the privilege of thanking each of you first of all, 526 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: Karen and Jeremy, and then turning off my microphone, kicking 527 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: back in my chair with my eyes closed and my 528 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: headphones on, and just listening to anything else you want 529 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: to share with me and with our fantastic audience. So Karen, 530 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: it's traditional you go first and then just sort of 531 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: hand the mic off to Jeremy and he'll take us 532 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: off into the sunset. 533 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 3: Well, I feel very honored to have been on the 534 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 3: journey to justice with Jeremy Puckett. I've gained a friend 535 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 3: and learned a lot through his ordeal, and he's let 536 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 3: me enter his life, He's shared his most intimate details, 537 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: and I believe we've built a friendship out of this 538 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: crazy situation. How the two of us came together is 539 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 3: the stuff stories are made of. But it's been my 540 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 3: honor to work with Jeremy, and I look forward to 541 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 3: wrapping up the civil suit and still maintaining that friendship. 542 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: And I just want to thank you for having me 543 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: here and being able to tell my story. And I 544 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: also want to just think people like like Karen, the 545 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: whole NCIP organization and the whole project organization in itself, 546 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: as well as Buzz and everybody from a team, from 547 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: the Cents and Thatsher, from Don, everybody who helped me 548 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: with my case. And then I think most importantly I 549 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 2: think I would like to say is that if there 550 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: is somebody listening to this who is innocent, locked up 551 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 2: to keep fighting, to keep going. I don't care who 552 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 2: says what If you know you're innocent, keep going because 553 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 2: your day will come. I don't know when. I can't 554 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: tell you how, but your day will come. The truth 555 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 2: always fulvails. 556 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Ron for conviction you can 557 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: listen to this and all the Lava for Good podcasts 558 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: one week early by subscribing to Lava for Good Plus 559 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts. I want to thank our production team 560 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: Connor Hall and Kathleen Fink, as well as my fellow 561 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: executive producers Jeff Kempler, Kevin Wartis, and Jeff Clyburn. The 562 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: music in this production was three time OSCAR nominated composer 563 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: Jay Ralph. 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