1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: a paranormal podcast network where we offer you podcasts of 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: the supernatural and the unexplained. Getting ready now for Shades 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sandra Schamplain. The thoughts and opinions 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, and 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, I 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, Coast to Coast a out employees of premier 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged to 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on the 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: subject matter and your needs. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. For 11 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: almost twenty five years, I've been on a journey to 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: prove the existence of life after death. On each episode 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: will discuss the reasons we now know that our loved 14 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: ones have survived physical death and so we welcome to 15 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. Today on the show, we have 16 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: another story time with Sandra. I got such great compliments 17 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: on the first one, I thought we can do it 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: again with new stories. Before I do, I just want 19 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: to share a little life tip that I recently just 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: figured out. My mom's eightieth birthday is on the horizon, 21 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: and I've got a special gift planned for her. I 22 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: have ordered all kinds of fun short videos of different 23 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: people wishing her happy birthday, from family members to Kermit 24 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: the Frog to impersonators. There's a great site called five 25 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: which is f I V E r r dot com. 26 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: I'm not a paid advertiser for them or anything, but 27 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: it's what people will do for five dollars. So there's 28 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: a gentleman singing happy birthday to my mom with camels 29 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: behind him, and so many other things. Well, I'm putting 30 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: together of this montage of video clips that I will 31 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: present to her on her birthday, because what do you 32 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: get for someone who has everything? Well, it's a labor 33 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: of love. A video like this. I have found for 34 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: the last two weeks as I've been collecting these videos, 35 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: the anticipation I'm feeling of her watching it and the 36 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: joy she will feel, well I am feeling that joy 37 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: right now. So for the past two weeks, I keep 38 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: finding myself playing one of the videos, thinking how is 39 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: she going to react? So here is a little food 40 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: for thought. When you have something in the horizon, something 41 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: where you're making a difference for another, something that may 42 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: be a surprise. Let yourself get caught up in imagining 43 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: what it will be like to surprise that person. For me, 44 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: the moment she watches a video will be great. But 45 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: I can't even tell you how much joy I have 46 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: felt this past two weeks. So that just goes to 47 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: show whatever it is we have horizon impacts who we 48 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: are being today. So make sure you have things in 49 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: the future set that can inspire you and make you 50 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: feel good. All right, now, on to the episode. I 51 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: have a great book called Surviving Death by Leslie Keene 52 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: and Leslie is a journalist who her book was brought 53 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: to the attention of a filmmaker. You may have seen 54 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: it on Netflix the mini series Surviving Death. In the 55 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: mini series, you can meet Leslie find out about some 56 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: of her explorations. I had met her at a conference 57 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: a few years back and she gave me a copy 58 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: of her book. So there's some really wonderful stories in it, 59 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: and I thought we could have a little story time. 60 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: Leslie is an award winning journalist. She's a New York 61 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: Times best selling author, and her book Surviving Death is 62 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: based on facts and scientific study that include chapters by 63 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: medical doctors, psychiatrists, and pH d s from four countries. Yes, 64 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: I'm reading the back of the book. And in the book, 65 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: Keen enriches the narrative by including her own unexpected, confounding 66 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: experiences encountered while she probed the question concerning all of us, 67 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: do we survive death? I also would like to include 68 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: some stories from people who have had signs from loved 69 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: ones recently, because I think they're fantastic to hear what 70 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: happens with others, and that might allow you to be 71 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: on the lookout for some of these signs yourself. Plus, 72 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: I've uncovered a few jokes about the afterlife, so why 73 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: not put a smile on all of our faces? So 74 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: let's start with the first story. This one is called 75 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: actual Death Experiences from chapter eight of Leslie Keenes Surviving Death. 76 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: Pam Reynolds was a classically trained songwriter and orchestrator with 77 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: three children who live in Atlanta. In at the age 78 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: of thirty five, she was diagnosed with an aneurysm, a 79 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: bulge or ballooning in her blood vessel that can leak 80 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: or rupture. It was deeply embedded in her brain stem, 81 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: and she was told she had very little time to live. 82 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: She tried the one rare procedure that could give her 83 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: a small chance at life. Doctor Robert Spetzler, director of 84 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: the Barrow Neurological Institute and the Chairman of Neurosurgery in Phoenix, Arizona, 85 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: performed the risky surgery in which Pam was rendered as 86 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: reversibly dead as one can be. Spezler, a world renowned 87 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: neurosurgeon who specializes in cerebrow of vascular disease and skull 88 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: based tumors, has published more than three hundred articles in 89 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty book chapters in the neuroscience literature. 90 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: Spensler explained what happened to Pam in a two thousand 91 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: and seven interview. Pam Reynal had what is called a 92 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: giant Bassler artery aneurysm in the base of her brain. 93 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: To get there, you take off part of the skull, 94 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: including the roof of the eye. By taking away the bone, 95 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: you can create a space that goes right down along 96 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: the skull base, and then that gets us to the 97 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: area we need to expose for the aneurysm. You're going 98 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: underneath the brain. We use hypothermic cardiac arrest to treat 99 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: these very difficult aneurysms. For this technique, you lower the 100 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: body temperature down to sixty point eight degrees fahrenheit, which 101 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: is sixteen degrees celsius. You do that by hooking the 102 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: patient up to a heart machine, which cools the temperature 103 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: down until you get to that target temperature. The cardiac 104 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: team inserts a catheter into the groin that goes up 105 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: the artery, and then another which goes into the vein. 106 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: You have a catheter on either side of the heart 107 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: and that takes over the heart function. Then for up 108 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: to an hour, you can shut off that machine and 109 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: basically drain the blood out of the body, yet the 110 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: patient can still be resuscitated. Once the aneurysm is clipped, 111 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: the process is reversed, the pump is started back up 112 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: again and the blood is pushed into the body. The pump, now, 113 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: instead of cooling, warms the blood and gradually the body 114 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: temperature comes back up. Pam's whole body was extensively monitored 115 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: and her brain was monitored with e e g. Which 116 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: our brain waves and with what are called evoked potentials. 117 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,559 Speaker 1: These are ways to make the nerves send very small 118 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: signals to the brain and normally you can average them 119 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: out and get a strong signal. You can use this 120 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: on someone who is as deep with anesthesia as you 121 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: can get now in a hypothermic cardiac arrest, those waves 122 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: completely disappear. They're gone, they are flat. There's absolutely no 123 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: brain extivity that we can detect. The surgery was successful 124 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: and Pam survived, but she was not unconscious, despite the 125 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: fact that she had no brain activity. Here to present 126 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: that story is Pam Reynolds herself. This information has never 127 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: before been made public. It is exclusive for this book. Sadly, 128 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: Pam died of heart failure in two thousand and ten 129 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: when she was only fifty three, almost twenty years after 130 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: her surgery. Here is her story. The doctor said that 131 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: the most they could do for me was try a 132 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: surgical process, but they could pretty much guarantee that it 133 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: would not be successful and death would be an imminent outcome. 134 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: I didn't have much choice. I had three little children, 135 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: so I had to go through it. Doctor Spetzler performed 136 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: the operation, but there were more people in that room, 137 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: and then I would have ever guessed to be in 138 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: an operating room during the stasis operation, which the doctors 139 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: who perform it have coined stand still. They cooled my 140 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,359 Speaker 1: body down, and my heart stopped, my brain waves stopped functioning. 141 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: They tilted the end of the gurney up and drained 142 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: my blood like oil from a car, into a heart 143 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: lung machine, thereby shrinking the aneurysm. I'm told that's what happened, 144 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: but as I understand it, I was not there when 145 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: this was happening. I had been put to sleep. Doctor 146 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: Spetzler has since assured me that I was nearly comatose. 147 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: There is no way that I could have heard or 148 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: seen anything. My eyes were taped shut, and my ears 149 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: had speakers inserted in them, making a loud, clicking sound, 150 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: which were used to monitor the response by my brain. Nonetheless, 151 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: I began to hear a tone. It was guttural. It 152 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: was unpleasant. I did not like it. It drew my 153 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: consciousness like water from a well. And having done that, 154 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: I sort of popped out of my head to see 155 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: what this horrific noise was. My spantage point was rather 156 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: like sitting on the shoulder of the surgeon, and in 157 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: his hand I saw an instrument that was making the 158 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: offensive noise. I have heard the word saw all my life. 159 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: My father used to saw my grandfather used to saw. 160 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: Brain surgeons used saws. I had assumed they were going 161 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: to open up the skull with a saw, but this 162 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: was no saw. This thing was held more like a pencil. 163 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: It looked like a drill and actually reminded me of 164 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: an electric toothbrush. There was an open case very close 165 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: to it, and it had bits in it, and it 166 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: looked like the case that my father kept his socket 167 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: wrenches in when I was a small child, and I 168 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: noticed that one of these bits was attached to this 169 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: toothbrush thing. This was the thing that was causing the 170 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: noise that disturbed my slumber, and it was a very, 171 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: very very deep slumber. The feeling of exiting my body 172 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: was incredible. I've never weighed five hundred pounds, but it 173 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: was as if I had and I had just lost it. 174 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: I could move around at will. The thought process took 175 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: me where I wanted to go. I felt no more pain, 176 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: no more suffering, no more fear, no more anxiety. Even 177 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: for the sake of my children. All of those things 178 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: just disappeared when I left the body, and I was 179 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: free to wander around at will, unobstructed. It's clear to 180 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: me that while I knew what they were doing. They 181 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: didn't know I knew what they were doing. They thought 182 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: I was that thing lying on the table. It was undescribable. 183 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: It was beautiful to know that I was no longer 184 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: part of that thing. And by the way, I did 185 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: look at this body like it was just that a thing, 186 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: not me, not my body. Me was outside of it. 187 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: Being out of my body put me in a position 188 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: to be able to observe many things that were happening 189 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: in the operating room. Even as they were conducting surgery 190 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: on me, I heard a female voice, and the voice 191 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: was saying that the vain and arteries were too small. 192 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: I was concerned because they were working in an area 193 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: around my arteries, and I thought that this was brain surgery. 194 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 1: I had heard these horror stories about doing surgery on 195 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: the wrong place or removing the wrong limb. So I 196 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: tried to communicate to the lady who was communicating the 197 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: doctor about my veins and arteries being too small, that 198 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: that's not where she needed to be at all. And 199 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: it was at that point I realized that she could 200 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: not hear me. We're going to go into our first 201 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: break now. Her story is so amazing, how much she 202 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: could see even though she was technically flatlined. But before 203 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: we do, here's your first joke. What are supermarkets in 204 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: the afterlife called Heaven eleven? Let's go to the break. 205 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I 206 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. 207 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain 208 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: and it is story time and I'm reading a story 209 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: from the book Surviving Death by Leslie Kane. In this story, 210 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: we're hearing the words from Pam Reynolds, who underwent an 211 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: operation for a brain aneurysm. The doctors had told her 212 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: that there was a high probability of death, but she 213 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: went through with it anyways. So last we heard, she 214 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: was witnessing her own operation from outside of her body. 215 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: Here's more of her words. I began to sense a presence. 216 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: The feeling was like having someone looking over your shoulder 217 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: and yet there being no one there. So I sort 218 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: of turned around to look at it, and instead of 219 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: a person, I saw a very tiny pinpoint of light, 220 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: And as I focused on that light, it started to 221 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: pull me. And the pulling had a physical sensation that 222 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: went with it. It was like from my tummy going 223 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: over a hill real fast, and it pulled me. And 224 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: the closer I got to the light, the better I 225 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: could see the figures. The first figure I knew was 226 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: my grandmother, and I heard her voice calling me. But 227 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't a voice that was made of vocal cords, 228 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: and it wasn't the same kind of hearing we have. 229 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: It was something different, and of course I went immediately 230 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: to her. There were so many people there, many I knew, 231 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: many I didn't know, but I knew somehow we were connected. 232 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: Didn't know how, but I knew. The people were wearing light. 233 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: They seemed to be made of light, the ones I recognized. 234 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: It's as if there had never been a separation between us. 235 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: There was that love, that warmth, that protection, and I 236 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: felt that I had been brought to this place to 237 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: be protected so that my body could be prepared, and 238 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: it felt wonderful. Then I saw my uncle, who had 239 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: passed away at the ripe old age of thirty nine. 240 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: He didn't use his mouth to communicate with me. He 241 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: did it in another way that I remembered from my 242 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: early childhood. He had the look he would look at 243 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: me and I would understand. And it didn't take long 244 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: until I understood that everyone communicated in this fashion. They'd 245 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: look at you and you just understood. I also describe 246 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: it as the knowing, because you just know, and all 247 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: of these people had this ability to just kind of look, 248 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: and I knew the quality of communication was much better 249 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: than what we have here because there it moves with 250 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: the speed of light. It's rather like being on the 251 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: other end of a pulsing laser. All you have to 252 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: do is think it, and the thought process is sent out. 253 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: There's no misunderstanding and what gets said, what gets said 254 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: is the truth. I asked my grandmother regarding the nature 255 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: of this light. My communication was is the light God? 256 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: And there was great laughter and she said, no, sweetheart, 257 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: the light is not God. The light is what happens 258 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: when God breathes. That was the communication. The physical landscape 259 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: was non existent. It was as if the bodies were 260 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: floating in mid air. There was light and shadow, but 261 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: it didn't seem to fall on anything. And that's what 262 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: convinces me that I was probably not in heaven. It 263 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: had colors like you wouldn't believe, but I probably was 264 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: in an in between place. I was on some sort 265 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: of a bridge on the way, because, let's not forget, 266 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: they would not let me into that light. The sound, however, 267 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: is an entirely different matter that really interests me as 268 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: a musician. I've been taught from the cradle that if 269 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: you put two tones too close together, what you get 270 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: is to coordance. But in the place where I was, 271 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: every being had their own tone, and every tone was 272 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: so close to the next. And yet when these tones 273 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: were put together, when everyone was sounding off, it was beautiful, 274 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: It was harmonic. It was beyond anything that I could 275 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 1: ever have dreamed of composing or directing. Here, I became 276 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: concerned as to whether or not I was really there. 277 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: I looked at my own hands and held them up 278 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: to my face. I saw something. I knew I was there. 279 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: I could feel me. The odd thing was, I didn't 280 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: feel so different than I feel here, and yet there 281 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: was no density in my flesh. But still I held 282 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: my hands up to my face to secure the knowledge 283 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 1: that I was still there. There came a time that 284 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: I knew I had to return to the body. My 285 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: uncle was going to take me, and that was fine. 286 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: I was okay with that until I saw the thing 287 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: and then I was not at all pleased. He told me, 288 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: think about your favorite food. Won't you miss your favorite foods? 289 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: Won't you miss your children? And I figured the children 290 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: would be okay, and then he said to me, it's 291 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: like jumping in a swimming pool, baby, just jump. I 292 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: looked down and saw the body jump with the first defibrillation. 293 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: I definitely did not want to get into that thing because, 294 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, it looked like what it 295 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: was dead. I knew it would hurt. So my response 296 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: to him was, I know it's disrespectful and I'm a 297 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 1: southern girl, but it was a no. So he pushed me. 298 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: I hit the body at the second defibrillation of the 299 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: heart at the exact time that they achieved sinus rhythm, 300 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: and there I was alive and somewhat uncomfortable. It's taken 301 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: me a long time to forgive my uncle for that. 302 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: Getting back into the body was kind of like jumping 303 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: into a pool of ice water. It was shocking. Literally, 304 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: I could feel the shock and it was very unpleasant. 305 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: They used the paddles for the first time to try 306 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: to start my heart, and they didn't work. But the 307 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: second time they used them, combined with his pushing me 308 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: back into the body. They worked. I opened my eyes 309 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they were packing things away 310 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: and everything was done. You're not supposed to wake up 311 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: until you're in the recovery room. I woke up in 312 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: the operating room long enough to tell one of Dr. 313 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: Spetzler's neuroscientist fellows, who is today my friend, how extremely 314 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: insensitive he was under the circumstances, and to complain a 315 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: little bit about being shocked. He laughed at me and 316 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: told me I just needed to sleep some more. Afterward, 317 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: Dr Spetzler listened very closely to everything I said to him. 318 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: On the following day, he very firmly explained to me, 319 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: beyond a shadow of a doubt, that this was not 320 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: a hallucination. He told me that what I described had 321 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: actually occurred. For examp Umble, they did have to to 322 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: bib relate me twice. Now, not even Doctr Spesesler remembered 323 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: that until he had my records and went over them, 324 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: and he found out, yes, it's true. The voice I 325 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: heard was indeed female, and later my doctors introduced me 326 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: to her. She was the head of the cardiovascular team 327 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: and she was doing a cut down. This is the 328 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: methodology by which they drew the blood from the body. 329 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: The first photograph I was shown of what I would 330 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: come to understand as the midas rex bone saw was correct, 331 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: and I called the physician doing research on this and 332 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: told him it was incorrect. It would be another year 333 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: before I would again have an opportunity to see a 334 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: midas rex bone saw, and this time it was indeed 335 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: the one I had seen. It did, from what had 336 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: been my vantage point, appeared to have a groove that 337 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: went into or around the bit, and it did look 338 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: like an electric toothbrush. When I had heard this thing 339 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: while out of my body, it was humming gutturally at 340 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: a perfect natural D. While in the doctor's hand I 341 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: don't know what it would hum if you laid it 342 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: on the table, but in his hand it was the 343 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: perfect natural D. I could clearly hear that tone. CBS 344 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: did a test on the saw, and at first they 345 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: said it didn't make a natural D, but a C 346 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: the next lower note on the scale, I have intrinsic 347 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: perfect pitch. No way, So I called the producer and 348 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 1: asked him what their methodology was for the test, and 349 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: they said that they got some styrofoam and laid it 350 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: down on that. I said, no, put it in a 351 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: living man's hand. Put it in Dr. Spetzler's hand. They did, 352 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: and it came out a perfect natural d I was 353 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: a believer when I left the hospital, and I wasn't 354 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: the only one. There were several staff members there who 355 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: said I wasn't the only case that they had seen 356 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: that was unusual in this regard. I know consciousness survives 357 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: the death of the physical body because I've had that 358 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: experience personally. Beyond that, I cannot, in truth know anything. 359 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: But in my opinion, what happened to me is evidence 360 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: of an afterlife. But let us weigh my opinion before 361 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: we call it a fact. What it is for me 362 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: could be totally different than what it is for you. 363 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: My arrogance extends as far as musicianship, but when it 364 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: comes down to science and philosophy, I completely lose my 365 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: sense of arrogance. Having this n d E, I no 366 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: longer fear death. I fear separation. I thought at first 367 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: that I wouldn't even fear separation, but there is no 368 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: experience that makes the separation okay when you lose someone. 369 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: But when my time comes, I will embrace death. In fact, 370 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: I know people who are dying right now, and I 371 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: envy them their journey. It's a wonderful, wonderful place to go. 372 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: But I just don't like being left behind. I don't 373 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: think any of us do. Some skeptics have argued that 374 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: Pam woke up during the process, and through anesthesia awareness, 375 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: she was able to hear what was going on in 376 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: the room so she could extrapolate enough to paint a 377 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: visual picture afterward. They attribute all elements of Pam's experiences 378 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: to physiological processes. Yet, in order to help monitor her brain, 379 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: Pam had speakers inserted into each ear that emitted continuous 380 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: loud clicks at a rate of eleven to thirty three 381 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: clicks per second at ninety to one decibels. That sound 382 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: was as loud as a lawnmower or passing subway train. 383 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: No one can observe or hear anything in that state. 384 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: Dr Spetzler said, I find it inconceivable that your normal senses, 385 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: such as hearing, let alone the fact that she had 386 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: clicking modules in both ears, that there is any way 387 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: for her to hear through normal auditory pathways. In addition, 388 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: Pam's eyes were taped shut. Pam's brain should not have 389 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: been capable of generating anything at all, Yet she was conscious, 390 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: and she reported that her conscious awareness was located outside 391 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: the body and was in no way dependent on her brain. 392 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: Some things I love about Pam's story is that the 393 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: doctor is open to talk about near death experiences. More 394 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: and more doctors are once they're finding out that other 395 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: doctors are sharing about it, so that's great. And that 396 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: there's some verifiable evidence what she did experience these sounds, 397 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: the natural d that she says was verified. Also that 398 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: the bone saw did look like the electric toothbrush exactly 399 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: how she saw it. I'm going to leave you with 400 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: just a quick funny. What do vegans eat in the afterlife? 401 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: And the answer is the Beyond Burger And for those 402 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: of you who don't know, in the United States, they 403 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: have plant based vegan products and the company is Beyond. 404 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a second. You're listening to 405 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and 406 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: Coast Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades 407 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and on this segment, 408 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: I want to read a little bit more from the 409 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,239 Speaker 1: great book Surviving Death by Leslie Keene. Her last name 410 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: is spelled k e A. And in case you want 411 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: to pick up the book. But before we get onto that, 412 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: I want to give you another joke. And why make 413 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: light of the afterlife? Well, the truth is it's a 414 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: joyful place. It's a place where we can have anything 415 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: we want, do anything we want, be with the people 416 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: we love and pets included. The hardest part is being 417 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: here on earth, being left behind, experiencing grief. So if 418 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: I can put a little smile on your face, I'm 419 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: going to do that. Well, actually, let me give you two. 420 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: Here's one. Did you hear about the new Italian restaurant 421 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: that opened in the Afterlife? It's called passed Away? Get 422 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: it like passed Away pasta? I know I'm crazy. Okay, 423 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: here's another one. Did you hear about that new show 424 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: on TV with the nun who ruled over Heaven? Now 425 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: this is multiple choice. Guess what the name of the 426 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: show is A The Heir to Heaven, b Hi, I'm 427 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: up Hi? Or see Girls Rule the Afterlife? Well, whatever 428 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: you answered, it was wrong. It's none of the above. 429 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 1: Get it none and u n None of the above? Yes, 430 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: I know this is eight year old humor, but you 431 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: know it's the best I can do. All right, let's 432 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: continue on this next part that I'd like to read 433 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 1: you is by Dr Peter Fenwick, who is a neuropsychiatrist 434 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: in the UK. He has published over two hundred papers 435 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: on brain function. He has been part of the editorial 436 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: board for a number of journals and he's had a 437 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: longstanding interest in the mind brain connection, the problem of consciousness, 438 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: and has conducted extensive research into the end of life phenomena. 439 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,719 Speaker 1: So this is by Dr Peter Fenwick. Throughout the centuries, 440 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: mankind has wondered what happens after death, and virtually every 441 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: culture throughout recorded history there are indications of rituals associated 442 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: with the dead, and evidence that they might have been 443 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: buried with some sense of expectation of an afterlife. Hunter 444 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: gatherers believed that the dying would leave their bodies and 445 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: journey to their ancestors. The concept of journeying at death 446 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: is still central today to the understanding of death in 447 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: most parts of the world. The reductionist scientific culture of 448 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: the West is almost alone in its unshakable belief in 449 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: the finality of death. The slowly progressing scientific dominance of 450 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: a materialistic view has led us to abandon the concept 451 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: of the transcendent. It is argued that consciousness is formed 452 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: entirely by the brain. The idea of the journey after 453 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: death has almost completely disappeared from the scientific perspective, and 454 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: we are left with a random universe where dying is 455 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: simply a mechanical process. However, recent studies of the mental 456 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: states of the dying suggest that this is too limited 457 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: a view. I am a neuropsychiatrist, which means that I've 458 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: been trained in the understanding of the brain and its functioning, 459 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: as well as in the nature of the mind, so 460 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: I stand in the zone between mind and brain. I 461 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: have studied the dying process and written scientific papers in 462 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: peer reviewed journals to disseminate a new view of what 463 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: actually happens when we die, and to ask what the 464 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: experiences of the dying could contribute to our understanding of consciousness. 465 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: A number of studies has suggested that before dying, many 466 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: people will experience death bed visits from dead relatives, which 467 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: reassure the dying that the process of death is not 468 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: as terrifying as they may have believed. The first attempt 469 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: at a systematic scientific study of these apparitions was made 470 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: by Sir William Barrett, a physicist whose interest in the 471 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: topic was aroused when his wife, an obstetrician, told him 472 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: about a patient of hers who began to see visions 473 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: as she lay dying. She mentioned seeing not only her 474 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: dead father, but also her sister. Her sister had indeed 475 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: died three weeks earlier, but the patient, because of her 476 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: delicate condition, had not been told the fact that, so 477 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: far as the patient knew, her sister was alive and well, 478 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: but she had seen her in the company of her 479 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: father that she knew to be dead. So impressed Sir 480 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: William that he began to collect similar experiences. His book, 481 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: Deathbed Visions concluded that these experiences were not merely a 482 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: byproduct of a dying brain, but could occur when the 483 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: dying patient was lucid and rational. He also reported a 484 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: number of cases in which medical personnel or relatives shared 485 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: the dying patient's vision. I began to study these deathbed 486 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: visions myself in two thousand and three after a review 487 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: of the scientific literature persuaded me that this was an 488 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: area that had not and properly addressed. My examination has 489 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: not been limited to death beta visions, but includes many 490 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: other end of life experiences e l e. S such 491 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: as the dying moving in and out of alternate realities, 492 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: or caregivers witnessing light at the moment of death. With 493 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: a group of colleagues, we started the process by looking 494 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: at accounts of what happens when people die. We drew 495 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: up a questionnaire asking about these phenomena and gave it 496 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: to the members of a palliative care team in North 497 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: London and to medical staff, nurses, care workers, volunteer and clergy, 498 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: and two hospices and a nursing home in the South 499 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: of England. In order to control for culture, we also 500 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: carried out the study and three Dutch hospices. In addition, 501 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: we collected over fifteen hundred email accounts from the general 502 00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: public and interviewed doctors, nurses, auxiliary staff and chaplain, giving 503 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: us a good idea of the detailed mental states of 504 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: the dying. Analysis of this data has provided a comprehensive 505 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: picture that is far from the mechanical model of death. 506 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: We found accounts of people having premonitions of their own 507 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: or another's death, tales of clocks, stopping, strange animal behavior, 508 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: light seen in the rooms of the dying, and shapes 509 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: seen leaving the body. Did these events actually occur or 510 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: were they just fantasies of the dying. The data have 511 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: also shown quite conclusively that these e l e s 512 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: are far more common than has previously been acknowledged. One 513 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: recent paper suggests that, in fact, they occur in over 514 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: sixty of those people who die while conscious. The present 515 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: consensus is that over fifty of those dying consciously will 516 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: have an e l E and are likely to get 517 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: reassurance and help from the dying process. Us Here we 518 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: will focus on those e l s and bear some 519 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: relationship to the near death experience or the survival of 520 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: consciousness after death. All of them suggest that consciousness is nonlocal, 521 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: more a field structure than something created by the brain. 522 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: This is revealed at the approach of death, when consciousness 523 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: begins to separate from the body and enter into expanded awareness. 524 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: So he goes on to talk about deathbed visions. Deathbed 525 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: visions have been largely ignored by the medical profession. Though 526 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: they are well known to and often reported by nurses 527 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: and relatives who care for the dying, They are not 528 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: dependent on religious belief, though they may be influenced by 529 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: culture and strong Christian societies. For example, angels are often seen, 530 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: but these are very seldom reported in more secular societies. 531 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: Often the occurrence of a vision is inferred by those 532 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: watching because of the way the dying person behaves, rather 533 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: than anything they say, and often, of course, by the 534 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: time they die, they are already beyond speech. In this case, 535 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: it may be a change and expression their face lights 536 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: up as they have seen someone they recognize and love, 537 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: or they may reach out as if towards some invisible 538 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: presence so absolutely real to these apparitions seem that the 539 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: dying person is often witnessed interacting with them and expecting 540 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: others to do the same. One of the many nurses 541 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: who has witnessed this told us this story. I was 542 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 1: attending a patient with a fellow nurse again around four 543 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: in the morning. The male patient asked us to stand 544 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: one on each side of him because he wanted to 545 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: thank us for looking after him. Then he looked over 546 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: my shoulder towards the window and said, hang on, I'll 547 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: be with you in a minute. I just want to 548 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: thank these nurses for looking after me. The patient repeated 549 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: himself a couple of times, and then he died. A 550 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: district nurse told us this very typical story of an 551 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: eighty eight year old lady. She used to visit once 552 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: a week to help and supervise the family who were 553 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: giving her care. She eventually became weaker and was semi conscious, 554 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: only reacting to painful stimuli. She died, and I visited 555 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: the next day to help. Her daughter said that she 556 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: was lying peacefully and suddenly sat bolt upright with a 557 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: beaming smile on her face, and said, Joe, how nice 558 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: of you to come and see me. Joe was her 559 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: deceased husband. Then she lay back down and died soon after. 560 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: The daughter was very sensible and practical and really believed 561 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 1: that her father had just visited. What virtually all these 562 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: experiences had in common was that they were very seldom frightening. 563 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: The dying are always pleased to see their visitors and 564 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: calm or even joyous after the visit. The visits are 565 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: also comforting to the family, who are told about or 566 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: witnessed the positive effect on the relative. In our own studies, 567 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: the most common visitors were parents, spouses, and other close 568 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: relatives four percent. This is similar to the near death experience, 569 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: in which dead relatives, friends, and spiritual beings appear about 570 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: forty one of the time. Could both experiences be representing 571 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: the same other dimensional reality. One of my favorite stories 572 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: of a deathbed visitation was talking to this lady on 573 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: an airplane. She suggests before her mother had died, all 574 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: she was doing was complaining, I really want a cigarette. 575 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: I really want a cigarette. And of course she couldn't 576 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: have a cigarette in the hospital. And then just before 577 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: she passed, her daughter says, you're no longer asking for 578 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: a cigarette, and she says no, because your dad is 579 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: here and I don't want him smelling the smoke on me. 580 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 1: Ah sweet. Anyways, we're going to go into the break, 581 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: but I can't leave you here without one last afterlife joke. 582 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: It's something you've heard before, but you're going to hear 583 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: it in a whole another way. Ready, Why did the 584 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: chicken cross the road to get to the other side. 585 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: I know I'm silly, but I love it. Let's take 586 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: our break and then we'll talk about some signs from 587 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 1: our loved ones. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 588 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a 589 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: m paranormal podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 590 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: I'm Sandrew Champlain. We were having some story time and 591 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: now I want to use this segment to talk about 592 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: signs from our loved ones, and I want to have 593 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: a very real conversation with you now. If you are 594 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: someone who has recently had a loved one pass, I 595 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 1: give you such sincere condolences. It is the hardest thing 596 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: that we humans will have to go through ever. Ever, 597 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: it is the most bitter kind of pain, and grief 598 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: is an absolute nightmare. So with that, I do have 599 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: some help. If you want a free copy of my book, 600 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: you can certainly have one if you go to We 601 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: Don't Die dot com, go to the store page, click 602 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: on audio book and use coupon code free f R 603 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: E And when you open the book, there's also the 604 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: PDF version if you'd rather read it. Chapter ten is 605 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: How to Survive Grief. I give you everything I've got 606 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 1: to understand and the world of grief. Why it has 607 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: to hurt so bad, what's happening within our biology that 608 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: makes it hurt so bad, How we are readjusting to 609 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: a new reality, how our circuits aren't firing correctly, how 610 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: we're very tired, how we go through a whole range 611 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: of emotions, were often forgetful. There's so many things, so 612 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: please make sure you use that. That being said, the 613 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: real conversation I want to have about signs from our 614 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: loved ones is not if you are newly bereaved. This 615 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: is for those of us who have had a loved 616 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: one who has passed, and it's been some time now, 617 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: some time that we've had that our emotions aren't always 618 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: on edge, that we don't cry at the drop of 619 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: a dime, that we've had a little space between when 620 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: our loved one has passed, and now now, certainly our 621 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,480 Speaker 1: loved ones can give us signs at any time. Certainly 622 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: they can. There are so many stories of people suffering 623 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: really horrific grief, and a favorite song that you might 624 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: have shared with your loved one will come on the radio, 625 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: or you might get a whiff of their cologne. They 626 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: are doing everything possible to let us know we are 627 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: still here, we haven't died, and their love is as 628 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 1: strong now, if not stronger than when they were alive. 629 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: But it's very hard for them to get through. There 630 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: are things that we can do on our side to 631 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 1: help more signs come in now. We still have our 632 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: personalities when we cross over. Someone who is very shy 633 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: and quiet may not start turning the lights on and off. 634 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: Someone who is younger, who might be really smart with 635 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: technology and may have worked on computers, you could get 636 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: some random emails from their email address, even though there 637 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: is no possible way that they could physically send them. 638 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: Our personalities go along with the signs we give. We 639 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: are also given the choice when we're in the afterlife 640 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: if we want to give signs. There are some people 641 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: that know that it's only a blink of an eye 642 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: and you'll be together again, as there's no time in 643 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: the afterlife, so while they might do some signs, they 644 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: may not be as active as others giving you signs 645 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: that they're still alive. When we cross over, we have 646 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: a world very similar to what we have here. We 647 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: can create with our thoughts, we can communicate with our thoughts, 648 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: and it's a pretty cool place to go forward with 649 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: your education as a soul, so to speak, lots to learn, 650 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 1: lots to do things that we couldn't do here on 651 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: earth or we didn't get a chance to do, we 652 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: can do over there, so it sounds pretty cool, right. However, 653 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,280 Speaker 1: they may be busy doing that that they're not concentrating 654 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: two hours a day, seven days a week trying to 655 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: give us signs. Like I said, there are things we 656 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: can do to help get more signs, and one of 657 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: the things is to be really committed that you'd like 658 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,720 Speaker 1: signs and you'd like to keep this relationship as strong 659 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: as possible. Our friend Sonya and Aldi, who I've shared 660 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: about many times, who is a subject of the new 661 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: documentary film, gets so many pictures, images, words, messages that 662 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: comes through her technology. It's insane, it's amazing. And when 663 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: I ask her what is the single best piece of 664 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: advice you could give someone who wants to record electronic 665 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,240 Speaker 1: voice phenomena or wants to try to get a picture 666 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: of their loved one in through technology by filming static 667 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: or something like that, her words are commitment, commitment, commitment. 668 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: She feels very strongly that there's a team of scientists 669 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: on the other side that are working with loved ones 670 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: trying to do this, and if we just show up 671 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,400 Speaker 1: once trying to do an experiment, and then maybe we 672 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,240 Speaker 1: try it again a few months down the road, well, 673 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: they don't take us as seriously as someone who week 674 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: after week has a schedule and is working with their 675 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: loved one to either get signs or work with technology 676 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,920 Speaker 1: like this, because the afterlife is real, and because we 677 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 1: are still people when we get there, we have to 678 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: keep talking to them getting signs. Doing these different experiments 679 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: really takes keeping the relationship alive. If you choose that 680 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: you want to lose weight and you want to exercise 681 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: and get a strong body, we all know what we 682 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,839 Speaker 1: need to do right eat less than exercise. Knowing makes 683 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: no difference. It's really having a plan and really being 684 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 1: committed to it. What's difficult with our loved ones in 685 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,399 Speaker 1: our unseen world is we can't get or we may 686 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: not get immediate gratification. Whereas if you exercise you can 687 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: actually feel yourself getting stronger or losing weight. You can 688 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: step on a scale. Our loved ones work so subtly 689 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: through our imagination. They use our energy to do some 690 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: of these signs. How they do some of it, I 691 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 1: have no idea, and I do think once we get 692 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,720 Speaker 1: there we will figure it out. But for the time being, 693 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: we need to offer everything we can. So have a 694 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: calendar schedule times that you'll sit and talk to your 695 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: loved one, even if you're sitting at your kitchen table 696 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 1: like I am right now, there's an empty chair across 697 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: from me. Picture your loved one sitting there, have conversations 698 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: like you would if they were alive, because they are. 699 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 1: You can journal things. You can say, I'll meet you 700 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,439 Speaker 1: same time tomorrow. You can do something like close your 701 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: eyes and ask them to step into your personal space. 702 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,799 Speaker 1: Depending on your relationship, that is, you can ask them 703 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: to put a kiss on your forehead. And the more 704 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,399 Speaker 1: present you can become, the more you'll start feeling these 705 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: subtle changes of energy. We talk a lot about being 706 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,399 Speaker 1: in the present moment. A busy brain cannot pick up 707 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: loved one's signs. It just can't. You're too busy thinking 708 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: about the past or the future, or checking your phone 709 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: for messages, and meanwhile, your loved one might be sitting 710 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: in the car right next to you. It takes a 711 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: present mind, living in the present moment to pay attention 712 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: to what's happening. So that's a little bit of tough 713 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: love about getting signs. We'll know how it all works 714 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: once we get there, but for now, if you want 715 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,239 Speaker 1: more signs, my request is that you put in a 716 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: little of the world to let your loved one know 717 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,360 Speaker 1: that you're willing to work with them. You set a 718 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,439 Speaker 1: time and you pay attention. Like I said, they work 719 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 1: through our imagination. You could get a slide show of 720 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,799 Speaker 1: memories that just show up in your mind. You could 721 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 1: pull up to a car and the license plate is 722 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: your loved one's name. If you're paying attention, you'll notice 723 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: that'll be a sign. So I'm going to leave you 724 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,760 Speaker 1: with some signs that I've just recently found from great people. 725 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: Let these be an idea for you. Okay, here's a 726 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 1: nice one. Speaking of license plates, this is from Annie. 727 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,200 Speaker 1: A few months after my mother passed, we were very 728 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: close and I saw a license plate that read Lucy. 729 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,319 Speaker 1: I was stunned. Her name is Lucy and she was 730 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: born in I saw that license plate two more times 731 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,360 Speaker 1: and was able to take a picture of it. She 732 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,080 Speaker 1: has sent me hundreds of signs since two thou and 733 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,799 Speaker 1: in three and I either see or hear her name 734 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,359 Speaker 1: almost every day, so I know she's always with me. 735 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: And this one from Gina. I got a side hug 736 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,279 Speaker 1: on my shoulder from my father in law one day 737 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: when I was standing at the kitchen sink washing dishes. 738 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: I thought it was my husband, but when I turned around, 739 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: he was not there. He was sitting in his den. 740 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 1: I was scared, but my first thought went to my 741 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 1: father in law, Carl, because we were very close. Like 742 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 1: I said, they worked through our imagination, so we can 743 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: use our psychic sense, our intuition to let us know 744 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: who is there. And how about this one from Michelle. 745 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: The day my dad died, it was pouring rain. It's 746 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: Arizona and there was no chance of rain. The sky 747 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 1: cleared hours later while we were waiting for the police 748 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,800 Speaker 1: and the paramedics and the crisis team to leave, suddenly 749 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: there appeared a double rainbow. It disappeared, and the officers 750 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,719 Speaker 1: then came out and said you can leave. A week later, 751 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: I had the urge to clean out my kitchen cupboard, 752 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: the top one with the stuff I never use. There 753 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,880 Speaker 1: was a card in there that said, daughter, if only 754 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: you could see how beautiful you are through my eyes 755 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 1: from my dad. I broke down crying for a couple 756 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 1: of hours. I stepped back up on the ladder again 757 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: to check the back of a cupboard and there was 758 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 1: a postcard of a double rainbow. I have lived in 759 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 1: this home for three years and never saw this and 760 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 1: it was not mine. Well it is now. I'm so 761 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,920 Speaker 1: grateful and I see double rainbows everywhere. My friend William Peters, 762 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,360 Speaker 1: who is the author of At Heaven's Door, talking about 763 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:46,360 Speaker 1: shared death experiences, told the most beautiful story of a 764 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 1: gentleman who had passed and he was so filled with life. 765 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,360 Speaker 1: His nickname was the human exclamation point. And they had 766 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: a celebration of his life after he passed and put 767 00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:02,240 Speaker 1: flowers in the ocean, really beautiful with just hundreds of people, 768 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 1: and there wasn't a single cloud in the sky until 769 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,040 Speaker 1: one cloud formed, and it was exactly an exclamation point. 770 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,440 Speaker 1: As we said in the beginning, our loved ones communicate 771 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,200 Speaker 1: through thought. Just because we are in a human body 772 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 1: doesn't mean we don't connect the same way. So it's 773 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,440 Speaker 1: so important that we send out our thoughts to them 774 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: and we are open to receive their thoughts to us. 775 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,360 Speaker 1: It does come in the way of imagination. Please don't 776 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: fall into the human behavior of thinking, oh it's just 777 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 1: my imagination. It is them and they love you, and 778 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 1: their love is real. So remember to go to We 779 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: Don't Die dot com, check out the Sonya Naldi movie. 780 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,360 Speaker 1: It just want to a Film Award for the Best 781 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 1: Research Documentary. I love you, I'm glad you're listening, and 782 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,279 Speaker 1: we'll see you next time. This is Sandra Champlain and 783 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,600 Speaker 1: you've been listening two Shades of the Afterlife on the 784 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:07,240 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 785 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,319 Speaker 1: And if you like this episode of Shades of the Afterlife, 786 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 1: wait until you hear the next one. Thank you for 787 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,319 Speaker 1: listening to the Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a 788 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,280 Speaker 1: m paranormal podcast network.