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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Ron De Santis called Trump voters

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Speaker 1: listless vessels. Whoops, what does that even mean? We have

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Speaker 1: such a great show today. Quick Political Report editor and

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Speaker 1: cheap Amy Walter analyzes the latest polls. Then we talked

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Speaker 1: Lakota Nation member Jesse Shortball about his documentary Lakota Nation

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Speaker 1: Versus the United States. But first we have the host

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Speaker 1: of the Enemy's List fan favorite my friend in yours,

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Speaker 1: the Lincoln Projects, Rick Wilson. Welcome back, too, Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Molly John Fast, zero presence.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: There's so such a broad spectrum of fuckery to talk

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Speaker 1: about today, Like we got to start with your close

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Speaker 1: personal friend and man who desp really wants you, Dad

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Speaker 1: roger Stone.

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Speaker 2: You know, Molly, the reason roger Stone hates me is

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Speaker 2: because I'm one of the few people in the world

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Speaker 2: who's who's been around long enough now to know that

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Speaker 2: Rogerstone's entire life is built on one line of bullshit.

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Speaker 2: It's a fake, it's a fraud. Everything about him is

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Speaker 2: a fraud. And the fact that he's been caught out,

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Speaker 2: uh once again criming for Donald Trump. Criminals don't like

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Speaker 2: it when you say, hey, I just saw that guy

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Speaker 2: robbing a bank. So you know, look, I'm not really

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Speaker 2: worried about Roger being able to kill me at this point.

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Speaker 2: First off, he's like ninety seven years old. He's not

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Speaker 2: gonna he's not gonna. He's not gonna come to me

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Speaker 2: that way. And all of his little proud boy bitch

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Speaker 2: minions are going to go to jail. That was his

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Speaker 2: little sort of shock troops. What you see in this,

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Speaker 2: in this uh, in this documentary on the Storm for

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Speaker 2: Cold documentary, is that Stone was behind a lot of

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Speaker 2: the plotting and scheming and the inspiration for a lot

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Speaker 2: of the plotting and scheming that went into this whole thing.

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Speaker 3: Right, A lot of this was his idea.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the fake electors is same to have in part

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Speaker 2: originated from Roger, and of course it also came out

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Speaker 2: of Sydney Powell and the rest of the frame cru Yeah. Right,

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Speaker 2: if there's an opposite of a brain trust, it's like

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Speaker 2: the brainless trust whatever. These super lawyers around him, and

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Speaker 2: so look, Roger is always in trouble. I suspect that

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Speaker 2: this documentary. I do know that this video has already

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Speaker 2: been in the hands of the January sixth Committee, and

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Speaker 2: it's now probably in the hands of Jack Smith. I

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Speaker 2: think that the methodical nature of the prosecutions as it's

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Speaker 2: gone up and up and up the chain with the

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Speaker 2: one six prosecutions, that Roger is preparing for his time.

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Speaker 2: As they say in the barrel.

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Speaker 3: I mean, do you think you'll go to jail?

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Speaker 2: Roger was going to jail before until Trump pardoned him.

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Speaker 2: This is a guy who is not going to have

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Speaker 2: an easy ride when it comes to sentencing, because in

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Speaker 2: part Trump commuted his sentence, and I'm sure there was

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Speaker 2: some sort of like go forth and send no more

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Speaker 2: commandment after that, but instead Roger said, up, I got

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Speaker 2: my sentence commuted, and as the documentary also shows, he

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Speaker 2: was asking Trump for a preemptive pardon. That to my mind,

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Speaker 2: was the most like revelatory moment in the documentary. He

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Speaker 2: wrote Trump an email saying I need a party for

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Speaker 2: the things I've done for you and in the attempt

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Speaker 2: to steal the election, and I mean, you're just like unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: The one more thing about Roger I observed in this

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Speaker 2: whole thing. Was that as a sad and lonely old man. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean he's a lot of the like the high

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Speaker 2: school football star in age twenty five, crews in the

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Speaker 2: diminished his world is.

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Speaker 1: I really want to talk to you about another person

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Speaker 1: you know from this world. One you actually worked for

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Speaker 1: America's mayor, hair dye aficionado Rudy Giuliani. I mean, so

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Speaker 1: this week we had he's selling his apartment, He's in

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Speaker 1: financial trouble. He went down, you know, Hail Mary Pass

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Speaker 1: to try to get Trump to cover his legal bills.

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Speaker 1: That did not work. Talk to me about how you

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Speaker 1: think that went. Can you imagine going down to Trump

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Speaker 1: to beg him to pay your legal bills.

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Speaker 2: Rudy is a very proud guy. Yeah, Okay, he has

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Speaker 2: a very very very healthy Egan from what everybody in

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Speaker 2: prior Rudy world is talking about and what everybody in

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Speaker 2: the Trumpian demimond that leaks like a sieve is talking about.

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Speaker 2: As Rudy went down there, he needs millions of dollars

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Speaker 2: and he believes that he had a handshake deal with Trump.

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Speaker 2: First off, there's a flag right there. Handshake deal with

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Speaker 2: Trump for twenty thousand dollars a day.

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Speaker 3: Twenty thousand dollars a day.

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Speaker 2: Pretty five thousand dollars a day or twenty or twenty

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Speaker 2: five seems like a lot. He says he ran up

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Speaker 2: eight hundred thousand legal bills during the space between election

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Speaker 2: day and whenever he was thrown off the boat. Trump

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Speaker 2: was never going to pay him and is never going

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Speaker 2: to pay him, and all these poor son of a

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Speaker 2: bitches who do not understand at this point, Molly in

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Speaker 2: the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty three, that that

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Speaker 2: motherfucker does not pay his lawyers. He just doesn't. But Rudy's,

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Speaker 2: Rudy's decline that we're we're now in the and I was,

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Speaker 2: you know, I did an interview with Dan Barry from

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Speaker 2: the Times article The Times yesterday about Rudy's you know,

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Speaker 2: the crisis and the decline and everything else. It reminded me.

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Speaker 2: I told Danni's story of the time I ran into

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Speaker 2: Rudy and it was at one of the debates in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, and he was all up on Trump, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, boss, listen, I'm begging you. This guy

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Speaker 2: will destroy you. He will absolutely destroy your reputation. Please

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Speaker 2: don't do this, Please don't do this. Because my relationship

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Speaker 2: with Rudy was always I was a smart guy that

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Speaker 2: worked for him, but there was always like a you're

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Speaker 2: not a new worker, you don't get it thing that

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Speaker 2: underpinned a lot of our interactions over the years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're from Florida, man.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, right, However, I am a fucking genius and I

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Speaker 2: also and one of the most experienced political consultants in

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Speaker 2: the world. But that's just not just let's leave that

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Speaker 2: aside for a moment, because my modesty is too great

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Speaker 2: to talk about. I was going to say, but my

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Speaker 2: consistent record of being right, especially regarding Trump. He just

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Speaker 2: kind of shrugged it off, and it was like, you know, hey,

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Speaker 2: he gets me. I get him. He's going to take

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Speaker 2: care of me. I'm like, oh my god, this fucking

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Speaker 2: guy got taken by the worst con artist in America. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: by the most obvious, fucking conn artist in America. And

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Speaker 2: so here we are. Rudy is broke, he's selling his apartments,

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Speaker 2: he's doing cameo videos for people for three hundred bucks.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of which Jesse's.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you very much. Two fifty. Oh, it's a discount, now,

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: It might be somebody's birthday when this show airs. This

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Speaker 3: might be the birthday episode. It might be someone's fucking

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Speaker 3: birthday tomorrow. God damn it. Go on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Molly, Yes, you're gonna your your thirty fifth birthday

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Speaker 2: is wonder celebrate. Yes, and I just I want to

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Speaker 2: wish you a very happy in advance.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: Look, but Rudy, Rudy is He's probably the most extreme

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Speaker 2: outlier of the everything Trump touches dies premise. And I

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Speaker 2: said this in the CNN documentary. All of us who

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Speaker 2: have been around Rudy over the years have said some

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Speaker 2: variation on this, whether it's you know me or Ken

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Speaker 2: Friedman or John Avlon or anybody. The truth of the

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Speaker 2: matter is, if Rudy had stopped, if he had just

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Speaker 2: stopped after two thousand and eight, you have gone and

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Speaker 2: done the Giuliani Center for Public Governance NYU or whatever

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Speaker 2: whatever something. You know, some withdrawal from the from the

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Speaker 2: the addiction from the hair. When he needed a public adorage. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know what, when he dies in a few years,

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Speaker 2: when the cigars take him in a few years, they

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Speaker 2: would have named Bridges after him. They would have named

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Speaker 2: high schools after him. There would have been a valedictory

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Speaker 2: moment in this guy's life that would have said, you know,

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Speaker 2: the worst crisis, he did this. But now his eulogy,

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Speaker 2: his memorial, his memory, the thing written on the cenotaph

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Speaker 2: of Rudy's life will be that he shamed and humiliated

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Speaker 2: himself in service to a con man, an entertainment huckster

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Speaker 2: who tried to overthrow the government of the United States

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Speaker 2: and spent the remaining years of his life either in

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Speaker 2: Rudy was the king of Rico prosecutions when he was

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Speaker 2: a US attorney is the richest irony of all Molly. Literally,

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Speaker 2: I sat with him at dinners in New York. He's like,

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Speaker 2: you see that guy over at that table that was

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Speaker 2: like Jimmy the Bone And I put his cousin and

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Speaker 2: I mean all this crazy shit, right, he knew how

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Speaker 2: to Wilbe's cases. How is it that he's in the

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Speaker 2: middle of one of these things, building a criminal conspiracy

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Speaker 2: maybe I've stuck my dick in a light socket. Maybe

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Speaker 2: I should stop fucking said light socket because I might

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Speaker 2: electrocute myself and burn my dick off. This is something

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Speaker 2: he had no self awareness that they couldn't figure out,

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Speaker 2: and he thought. And this is part of a broader

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Speaker 2: theory that I'm starting to articulate, not just about the conspiracy.

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Speaker 2: I think there's been something that's happened to an entire

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Speaker 2: generation of Republican leaders that they've lived in this soft

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Speaker 2: the world doesn't operate that way. Now, when they're actually

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Speaker 2: having to answer questions under oath, they can't just say, well,

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Speaker 2: what about Hunter Biden's laptop and the dick pics?

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Speaker 3: Right, So let me ask you a question. Here.

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Speaker 1: We are this Republican Party, it's going to be the

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Speaker 1: nominee I mean unless I mean, it just seems like

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Speaker 1: we are careening into disaster for them.

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Speaker 3: Well, deserved yet again.

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Speaker 2: Look, Donald Trump's numbers Americas have now had a week

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Speaker 2: to process it. Okay, they've had a week to see

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Speaker 2: the charges out of Georgia. And you know what's happened

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Speaker 2: to his numbers of Republican base voters in the primary voters.

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Speaker 2: They've got up again. Yeah, and I'm sorry. I've been

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Speaker 2: saying this to people for a year and a half.

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Speaker 2: If you think the Republican base vote in the primaries,

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Speaker 2: the likely Republican voter profile in the primaries is crying

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Speaker 2: out for Glenn Youngkin in a sweater vest or Vivek

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Speaker 2: Ramaswami and his sassy comebacks, or Ron DeSantis and his

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Speaker 2: weird posthuman android malfunctioning like Lichi software. If you think

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Speaker 2: that's what those people are after, it is not get help,

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Speaker 2: because they're not. They want the show, the spectacle, the chaos.

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Speaker 2: They want Donald Trump and they're not shy about it.

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Speaker 2: They tell people this all the time. I don't You

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Speaker 2: can focus group the living fuck out of these people,

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Speaker 2: and you know what you're gonna find.

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Speaker 3: They love Trump.

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Speaker 2: They love Trump. And here's the other dirty little secret.

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Speaker 2: Most of the people, even in those focus groups that say,

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Speaker 2: oh I wish you wouldn't tweet. I hope you know.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to have a president who doesn't commit crimes

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Speaker 2: every day. You know what, they're still going to do.

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Speaker 2: Ninety percent of those fucking people are still going to

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Speaker 2: vote for Donald Trump because the behavioral impulses in the

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Speaker 2: Republican Party to go back in the nest, to get

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Speaker 2: back in the matrix, are so powerful that it's almost irresistible.

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Speaker 1: So let's just talk about this for one second. I

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Speaker 3: I mean where does this go?

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Speaker 2: First off, No Labels is trying to reelect Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden's in a better position than he was in

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Speaker 2: It's the greatest, most most brilliant active.

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Speaker 3: Genius of all time, right right right.

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Speaker 2: But instead now we've got like even allies, I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: But I do want a minute to say progressives have

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to say you're right. Yeah, I was concerned

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Speaker 3: But the media has been slow.

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Speaker 2: They have been slow, and and look, my biggest concern

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Speaker 3: Rick Wilson, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: I am delighted to be with you. As always.

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Speaker 1: Amy Walter is the editor in chief of Political Report.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, Too Fast Politics, Amy Walter, Well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you just well, hopefully people just listen to this

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get you here because I think of

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Speaker 3: Frank, get that you're that old, but you know.

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Speaker 5: Well I am that old, but you know, I like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really interesting and important point that I

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right. And so if people are really just now,

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Speaker 1: So is this a Dave Wasserman moment where we're talking

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Speaker 5: So it's not just what percent of the electorate is X,

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And I mean that is one of the

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Speaker 5: I'm fascinated by this too, Mali, because we have two

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Speaker 5: just stop the death for one second? What about Lisa Murkowski?

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Speaker 5: But it's a very fair point if you then look

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Speaker 6: The fact that the candidates on the Republican side are unknown,

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Speaker 2: Now. That's why I say there are these two factors colliding.

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Speaker 5: It's like it looks as if we nationalized everything. Yet

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Speaker 1: If your shared you're feeling pretty good about that ballot initiative.

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Speaker 5: When you participate, it matters, and then it makes a difference. Now,

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Speaker 5: you can go back to those voters in twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: four and say, you know, continue the progress we made.

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Speaker 5: The other thing that Brown has going for him, as

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Speaker 5: you pointed out, is, you know, he's seen as kind

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Speaker 5: of his own person, right. He's a unique kind of

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Speaker 5: brand in an era where so many candidates are seen

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Speaker 5: as kind of cookie cutter, right, or you know they

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Speaker 5: just sort of ear liberal democrat, you're conservative Republican. He

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Speaker 5: fits into that style of uh, you know, populist working

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Speaker 5: class democrat who look, he's not he's not a moderate,

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Speaker 5: he's not conservative, but he's hard to brand as a

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Speaker 5: sort of a typical Democrat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like he has sort of been able

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Speaker 1: to create his own thing. I don't want to compare

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Speaker 1: him to Susan Collins because he's certainly nothing like Susan Collins,

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Speaker 1: but Susan Collins had a similar people. They thought of

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Speaker 1: her as more like Angus King and less like, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's not Ted Cruz.

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Speaker 5: Nobody's gonna nobody's gonna believe it. If you ran a

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Speaker 5: campaign against Susan cons and said she's just like Ted Cruz,

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Speaker 5: everybody in Maine would laugh you out of the state.

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Speaker 5: But the one thing that I think is challenging for Brown,

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Speaker 5: as I said, you know, he he basically got the

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Speaker 5: same percent of the vote as Oba. In some ways,

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Speaker 5: you know, Ohio, it has moved much more to the

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Speaker 5: right in this last That feels again not that it

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Speaker 5: would be these voters saying I'm against Shared Brown, but

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Speaker 5: that it's harder for a Democrat to be able to

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Speaker 5: make the case. I mean, you know, you talk to

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Speaker 5: somebody like well, we saw it in twenty twenty two

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Speaker 5: with the Democratic nominee running for Congress there who had

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Speaker 5: a similar message to Shared Brown, and you know, he

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Speaker 5: would go into these places make the same sort of

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Speaker 5: pitch that Shared Brown did get really good response, and

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Speaker 5: yet voters would go, yeah, that's that sounds great, But

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Speaker 5: I'm voting for the Republican. I'm voting for the Trump candidate.

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Speaker 5: And the having a D after your name is is

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Speaker 5: much more of a drag now than it was even

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Speaker 5: back when Obama was was running or in twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 5: the last time that Shared Brown was on the ticket.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the House, because it does seem

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Speaker 1: to me. I was writing about George Santos this week,

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Speaker 1: and it really does seem like these New York Republican seeds,

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Speaker 1: these guys all won by like three thousand votes, I mean,

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Speaker 1: just unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: And they are being overshadowed by not just George Santos,

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Speaker 5: because even if you're a Republican An upstate, you're getting

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Speaker 5: asked about George Santos all the time, but you're getting

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Speaker 5: overshadowed by Trump all the time. You are right that

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Speaker 5: if you look at New York in California, two states

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Speaker 5: where Democrats were really underperformed, turnout was really low mistakes

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Speaker 5: were made exactly. You can look at both of those

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Speaker 5: states and go, look, turnout will be higher in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty four. And so all Democrats need to do is

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Speaker 5: put a decent candidate on the ballot, and the turnout

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Speaker 5: the higher. You know what, that whole high, higher tide

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Speaker 5: lifting all boats. But just that that turnout is going

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Speaker 5: to be enough to get those Democrats over the top.

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Speaker 3: And that's true in California too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so the freshmen are the ones who are in

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Speaker 5: the hardest position. And look, we saw this in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty where Democrats fell short in the House or those

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Speaker 5: races they picked up in the midterm election in seats

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Speaker 5: that were really basically in Republican districts. Charleston, South Carolina,

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Speaker 5: Oklahoma City, some of the one of those upstate New

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Speaker 5: York districts. Right, these were places that they won in

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Speaker 5: a great year, but when when turnout turned back to

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Speaker 5: normal and we got to a presidential year, they just

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Speaker 5: couldn't hold up.

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Speaker 2: They just couldn't hold them.

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Speaker 5: The other thing Democrats have going for them is that

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Speaker 5: these redistricting cases actually are breaking their way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so me isign.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, in a way that we really hadn't predicted. So

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Speaker 5: between new districts in Alabama potentially Louisiana. Now there's movement

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Speaker 5: in Florida as well. Well, this isn't twenty seats that

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Speaker 5: are going to shift. But as we know, when you're

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Speaker 5: talking about a five seat majority, you put three Democratic

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Speaker 5: seats now into the mix. Boy, that makes a difference. Right,

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Speaker 5: you're more than halfway there.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you a question about leadership. So

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Speaker 1: you have McCarthy. By all outside indications, the man is

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Speaker 1: not a whipper, right of a whipper. He is really

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Speaker 1: kind of he always feels like he's a little bit behind.

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Speaker 3: And you have McConnell.

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Speaker 1: Who is known as kind of a genius at winning votes,

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Speaker 1: and he's not himself clearly, and also he is being

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Speaker 1: targeted by Trump and by Trump's people who are furious

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Speaker 1: with him. So I'm curious, like what you think the

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Speaker 1: effect and it may be nothing, but if you think

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Speaker 1: that this leadership problem will hurt as you go down.

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Speaker 3: The ticket, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 5: What I find kind of interesting though, is after the

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Speaker 5: vote on the speaker that took the fifteen ballots and

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Speaker 5: all that, the initial response from a lot of media

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Speaker 5: folks was Okay, well, good luck Kevin McCarthy making it

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Speaker 5: to the end of the year, right, like you're going

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Speaker 5: to get ousted or you're going to get rolled. This

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Speaker 5: guy is just not going to be able to be effective.

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Speaker 5: And you know, actually that hasn't happened, and he's kept

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Speaker 5: his team together and he's gotten the votes he's needed

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Speaker 5: time after time. Now to your point, it's still at

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Speaker 5: any moment the ice could break and he's in trouble.

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Speaker 5: But I'll say this way, it's much less chaotic, and

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Speaker 5: I think many assumed it would be in the House,

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Speaker 5: and that while the Freedom Caucus is still flexing their muscle,

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Speaker 5: I think that McCarthy and leadership or however this has

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Speaker 5: worked out, has been effective in allowing them to blow

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Speaker 5: off steam in other ways. Right, Oh, you want to

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Speaker 5: go put a committee together, go after Hunter Biden?

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Speaker 2: Great, go to you that you want to.

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Speaker 5: Talk about impeaching my Orcus Okay, right, like you guys,

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Speaker 5: go google those things.

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Speaker 2: Just let's not shut down the government.

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Speaker 1: Right, But doesn't that ultimately hurt the hurt the swingy candidates.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't that hurt the Purple State Republicans?

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Speaker 1: I mean, the reason why Paul Ryan wouldn't let people

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Speaker 1: do that was because ultimately, and the reason why Nancy

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Speaker 1: Pelosi wouldn't let people do that the sort of the

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Speaker 1: left and the right, was because they knew it would

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Speaker 1: hurt the swingy candidates.

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Speaker 5: That's right, and that's what we're going to have to

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Speaker 5: find out is Look, I think at the same time,

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Speaker 5: you could argue that one of the things that really

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Speaker 5: hurt the swingy candidates in let's say the twenty eighteen election.

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Speaker 5: Trump was obviously a major factor, but so was the

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Speaker 5: votes taken on overturning Obamacare and the tax cuts, right,

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Speaker 5: those were also really problematic for Republicans. In this case,

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Speaker 5: I do think the thing that could be most problematic

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Speaker 5: for those swing voters kind of know it is an

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Speaker 5: impeachment against Biden. Thus far, McCarthy has kept the door open.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, we're going to investigate, We're going down

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Speaker 5: all the roads. We're gonna do what we can without

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Speaker 5: giving them the aok on, let's go full on, you know,

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Speaker 5: so that in twenty twenty four we're impeaching Biden. Now

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Speaker 5: the pressure it will be very interesting to see where

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Speaker 5: Biden case goes. We obviously case with Trump. So but

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Speaker 5: if I'm a House member. Right now, my biggest concern

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Speaker 5: if I'm a vulnerable House Republican, the one thing that

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Speaker 5: I cannot control but that has the most impact on

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Speaker 5: my chances to win is Donald Trump. They can't do

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Speaker 5: anything other than try to show some independence from him.

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Speaker 7: And then they get crushed in the primary without drawing

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Speaker 7: a primary. So actually they're in some ways, it's much

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Speaker 7: better than it was in twenty eight.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: He's up present, so they don't have to run around saying,

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Speaker 5: what do you think about this?

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Speaker 2: How come you voted with him on that?

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Speaker 5: Now it's just like, look, he's this, I'm going to

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Speaker 5: do what I do in the House, and I've been

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Speaker 5: doing all these great things and blah blah blah. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 5: then there's Donald Trump. You bring with him on this,

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Speaker 5: but whatever Joe Biden's worse and then pivot back. Right,

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Speaker 5: That's that's going to be their play. But that that

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Speaker 5: top of the ticket drag is going to be a

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Speaker 5: bigger problem for them than whatever happens.

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Speaker 2: I think on the House side.

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Speaker 1: Amy, I hope you will come back.

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Speaker 3: So interesting, so important, So many months still to go.

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Speaker 5: So many months, so so many months.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's a lot of months.

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Speaker 1: Jesse short Bull is a member of the Ogla La

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Speaker 1: Lacodaation tribe. I'm the director of Lacodaination Versus United States.

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Speaker 1: Welcome too fast politics, Chelsey.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, Molly. Pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about this movie. First. Explain to us how.

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Speaker 1: You've decided to do this movie the Lakota Nation versus

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Speaker 1: the United States.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, so, Molly, how I became involved with this

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Speaker 4: project involved quite a bit of synchronicity. I grew up

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Speaker 4: in South Dakota. I knew of our Treaty councils. I've

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Speaker 4: heard of the Treaty before, never quite too familiar.

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Speaker 2: With it, but I was aware of it.

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Speaker 3: Explain to us what the treaty is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Treaty is basically the document that sets everything

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Speaker 4: for our tribe's governance today and everything that we have,

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Speaker 4: our healthcare, education, and it's basically the foundation of how

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Speaker 4: we exist today. And it also involves our land, which

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Speaker 4: is predominantly centered on the Black Hills in South Dakota,

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Speaker 4: and for our indigenous nation in South Dakota. The Treaty

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Speaker 4: is something that's very much alive and discussed every day

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Speaker 4: and is a part of everyday governance through these sovereign nations.

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Speaker 1: I want to give a little backstory for people who

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Speaker 1: don't completely know the story here. In nineteen eighty, the

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Speaker 1: United States Supreme Court ordered one hundred million dollars to

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Speaker 1: be paid to the Great Sioux Nation, which is the tribe.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, the Great Sioux Nation, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: After ruling that the US government broke a nineteenth century

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Speaker 1: treaty by taking control of the Black Hills from this group, from.

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Speaker 3: Your group, which includes the Lakotas.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: So now this sum it has been put in escrow

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Speaker 1: and it's now two billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's right.

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Speaker 1: The money has been sitting there because now explain to

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Speaker 1: us why exactly what happened?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well, to the people, it was never a

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Speaker 4: question of money, and today is still never a question

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Speaker 4: of money because there is no amount of money that

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Speaker 4: the ocetti chacolin, or the term that's used to describe

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Speaker 4: all of the tribes together. It's impossible to put a

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Speaker 4: monetary value on this place because for Lakota culture, Dakota culture,

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Speaker 4: and Dakota culture, it's how that culture was emerged from.

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Speaker 4: It came from there. It's a covenant that can't have

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Speaker 4: a price on it. I think it's really remarkable that

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Speaker 4: our people, despite economic challenges, despite immense poverty, continue to

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Speaker 4: refuse that money.

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Speaker 1: Right, so there is two billion dollars in a bank account.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain to me why you can't just take

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Speaker 1: the two billion dollars and buy the land.

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Speaker 4: That's a good point that sort of discussion, as you know,

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Speaker 4: using that money or rant, you know, kind of using

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Speaker 4: it looking at as rant or a payment and to

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Speaker 4: use that money to purchase land. But I think that

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Speaker 4: it's also a very slippery slope for our tribes as

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Speaker 4: once you get a hold of money and you have money, well,

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Speaker 4: then things start to change. You know, maybe we do this,

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Speaker 4: maybe we do that, and then there's a very immense

651
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 4: amount of distrust with money and that what it can

652
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 4: do to people and some of the decisions that can

653
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 4: lead to less than desirable outcomes. We don't want to

654
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: go any of that route. I mean, our people whole firm,

655
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 4: They just want the land. They don't care about the money.

656
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 4: What's on the land right now, Well, it's you know,

657
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 4: South Dakota. One of it's primary industries is tourism and

658
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 4: Black Hills are a tourist haven. Of course, there's the

659
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 4: Custer National Forest, Black Hills National Forest, there's several national parks,

660
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 4: and then of course Mount Rushmore.

661
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's so interesting. So talk to about where

662
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: you are with this struggle right.

663
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 4: Now, Molly. You know, our people since the time of warfare,

664
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 4: so late eighteen sixties till today, the time that there

665
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 4: was bloodshed, our relatives experienced Immen's tragedies. But ever since

666
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 4: that time, there have always been people committed to the

667
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 4: sovereignty of our Indian nations and the upholding of the treaty.

668
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 4: A lot of those people will never know their names,

669
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 4: but it has come down through the generations and I

670
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 4: think that you know, in the movie, we showcase that

671
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 4: as early as eighteen ninety, our tribal leadership has been

672
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 4: trying to get some sort of remedy. The decision to

673
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: take the Black Hills was in eighteen seventy seven, and

674
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 4: then by eighteen ninety our people started to take action

675
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 4: against the United States to try to uphold them to

676
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 4: what they said they would do. And I think that

677
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 4: through that time, you know, they're there's been hope, but

678
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 4: there's also been We've been told no things have not

679
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 4: gone in our favor, and things look very bleak.

680
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: I think now though, at least.

681
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 4: In the short time that I've been paying close attention,

682
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 4: I think that the optimism for the United States to

683
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 4: resolve this somehow has been probably at its highest that

684
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 4: at least I can recollect. And I think that's because

685
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 4: you know, we have a Native woman in the Department

686
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 4: of Interior Secretary Debt Halan. I think that really stimulated

687
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: a new sense of optimism that maybe we can exert

688
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 4: some sort of influence at the highest levels there in

689
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 4: Washington that you know, hey, this still matters. It's very

690
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 4: much matters to a lot of people, and you know, legally,

691
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 4: you know, again, we uphold our end of the bargain

692
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 4: of the treaty. It's never been a relic, it's never

693
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 4: been an antique or a scrap of paper that to

694
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 4: no value. We've always upheld our end of the bargain.

695
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 4: And now, like one of our elders, stay Milo Yellow

696
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 4: here in the film, we're still waiting for the United

697
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 4: States to do the same.

698
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: Right, right, right? What will the next steps be?

699
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think that they're already actively going Mali

700
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 4: because once the current administration. The Biden administration came into office,

701
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 4: people were trying to take advantage of that momentum, and

702
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 4: I think that for the first time, I mean, and

703
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: the Biden administration, you know, set a standard about how

704
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 4: they were going to work with tribes government to government,

705
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: and I think that what we're kind of seeing is

706
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 4: and this is maybe behind the scenes. Most people may

707
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 4: not see this actively or hear about it in the news,

708
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 4: but I think that our tribal governments are treaty governments

709
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 4: are looking at ways with the United States to see how,

710
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 4: at least in the terms of public land stewardship co

711
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 4: management are possible as a first stepping stone. I think

712
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: that is actively being pursued as we speak. Anything more

713
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 4: than that, as far as land return, that might be

714
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 4: a longer term picture, because the Black Hills have an

715
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 4: incredible amount of public lands that are federally control and

716
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 4: so I think those wheels are turning, and it's just

717
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: a question of what that's going to look like as

718
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 4: this administration comes to the close of this term.

719
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time thinking about what justice

720
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: would look like for Indigenous people in.

721
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: This country, and I'm curious what you think it would look.

722
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 4: Like there's a couple of things that at around my

723
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 4: mind there, Molly, I think first and foremost, I look

724
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 4: at our young people, and our young people are a

725
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: good reflection of what needs to be done. Our young

726
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 4: people have the hardest burden to carry, and some of

727
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: that burden is way too much for a young person

728
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 4: to have. And I think that until we can have

729
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: be satisfied that they have a quality of life that

730
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 4: can be as safe as possible, maybe safe as other communities,

731
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 4: you know, in the United States. And I know that

732
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 4: nothing's perfect or there's no challenges, not wherever you go.

733
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 4: But to get us to some level where our young

734
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: people feel good about their future and feel good about themselves,

735
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 4: to me, that would be the ultimate victory. So how

736
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 4: does that relate to land. Well, again, our land and

737
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 4: people are we view ourselves as interconnected to one another.

738
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 4: So I think that the reflection in the land is

739
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 4: also reflected in the condition of the land is also

740
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 4: reflected in the condition of the people. But at the

741
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 4: end of the day, Molly, I mean, yeah, I want

742
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 4: land returned, I want sacred sites to be returned. I

743
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 4: want try sovereignty to be acknowledged. For how sacred it

744
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 4: is and how unique it is, but nothing else. I

745
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 4: want kids to have a good future and I want

746
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 4: them to have a better quality alife.

747
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: So I want to talk to you about that because

748
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: one of the things that I know that the reporting

749
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: sort of bears out is that growing up on the reservation,

750
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: that a lot of your young people are struggling and

751
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: that they're not necessarily getting all of the advantages they

752
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: should be.

753
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 3: Would you say that's fair?

754
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: And is there a way for the federal government to

755
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: give indigenous people more?

756
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 4: I think it's a mix. I worked in tribal government, Molly,

757
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: and you know, I know that a lot of times

758
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 4: you can throw money at things, right, Sometimes if it's

759
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 4: a fire, it does no good.

760
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: Right.

761
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 4: I do think that you look at the boarding school

762
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 4: and brutal assimilation that our people went through, I think

763
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 4: one of the things that need to happen, and I

764
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 4: don't know how it can happen, but almost a reverse

765
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 4: engineered sort of model that helps people undo a lot

766
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 4: of the traumas that are stacked up on each other

767
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: through the generations and still much very alive in people,

768
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 4: whether or not it's their trauma or maybe their relatives

769
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 4: trauma from generations back. That is the really big course

770
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 4: of attack is helping people to feel good. And like

771
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 4: you said, Molly, our young people know that things are wrong,

772
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 4: they know that things aren't safe, they know that the

773
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 4: world around them is hope is hard to find, and

774
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 4: I think that there's a massive amount of responsibility on

775
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 4: the shoulders of the government. How we work together to

776
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 4: try and undo that, I'm not too sure how that

777
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 4: can be done, but we do know that if we

778
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 4: can take care of people helped them to feel good

779
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: about themselves, I think that that can get us to

780
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 4: a point where we can start to undo, you know,

781
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 4: like the cycles that our parents, you know who went

782
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 4: through the boarding school, and including my own father, who

783
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 4: is a part of that generation, start to undo that

784
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 4: and go into opposite direction.

785
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: It's funny because I have a friend whose mother was

786
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: Japanese and put in a tournament camp in California, and

787
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: she told me the story of her grandmother burning down

788
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: their house as they laughed. And I think a lot

789
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: about this sort of collective generational trauma, right. I come

790
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: from a family that came over in the eighteen hundreds

791
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: during the programs for Indigenous people. They're living on the land,

792
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: they were robbed sometimes and you know, you are living

793
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: through this trauma again and again in a certain way.

794
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know a lot of the times we get

795
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 4: the counter argument, you know, like, well, the people that

796
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 4: done you guys wrong are gone, they're they don't live

797
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 4: no more. And I didn't do anything to you know,

798
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 4: exacerbate anything. We get that argument, you know, like it's

799
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: in the past and you can't change the past. Well,

800
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 4: here's the thing, of course, people come and go. Our

801
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 4: lives are very short, and time goes by. It may

802
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 4: seem like it goes by forever, but it goes by

803
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 4: really fast. I think that something systemically started back in

804
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 4: that time of war and deceit and bloodshed that is

805
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 4: still very much active. It's not a person, but it

806
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 4: still continues to this day. And our people are still

807
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 4: under duress. And what is this faceless thing? You know,

808
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 4: we know the ingredients trauma, we know racism, we know

809
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 4: that we see it, but how do we see the

810
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 4: whole thing? Expose it for what it is and then

811
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 4: try to address it because it's not working. And I

812
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 4: can take anybody, come come visit me, and I'll say,

813
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 4: would you want to trade places? With anybody here, and

814
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 4: I don't think the answer would be yes, because there's

815
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 4: something wrong and we have to and I think too

816
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 4: Mally that sometimes we become very numb to it. It

817
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 4: becomes something that we got to really think that this

818
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 4: isn't right. I'm not sure how to do it, but

819
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 4: it has to be done right.

820
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,959
Speaker 1: No, no, I agree, and it's such an important thing.

821
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: And I hope that Secretary Holland will be able to

822
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: write this or to start, you know that the Biden

823
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: administration will be able to start writing this wrong.

824
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 3: Tell us about the movie, Molly.

825
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: For Laura, my co director, and everybody that is involved,

826
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 4: this movie is a superhero movie to us. And I

827
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 4: say that because everybody that we feature, which is tribal

828
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 4: members from throughout the different resermeations in South Dakota, I

829
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 4: see them as superheroes. These are people, whether they or

830
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 4: not they're involved in the day to day treating matters

831
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 4: or just a regular person as anybody else is. They

832
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 4: represent a cross section of the beauty of Lakota culture,

833
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 4: the resilience of Lakota culture, and the wisdom of Lakota culture.

834
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 4: And anybody can learn from these people. We all can

835
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 4: learn from each other, and these people have something to

836
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 4: say that can help anyone throughout the course of their

837
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 4: day because they just they uphold a standard amongst themselves

838
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 4: that is just really special. And they're superheroes to me.

839
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: So everyone needs to see the movie. Thank you so much, Jesse,

840
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: I hope you'll come back.

841
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much, Molly. It's been a pleasure.

842
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: They're no momental fuck Rick Wilson, you are a special

843
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: celebrity guest for Fuckeray. Only you ever get to stay

844
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: and do with us, no one else, not even James Carvel.

845
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 3: Okay, if we're going to talk about fuckery, do you

846
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 3: have a moment of fuckery?

847
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: I have a superb moment of fuckery.

848
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 3: Good. Great, let's hear it.

849
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: The greatest moment of fuckery this week was the re

850
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: or two clever by half bullshit that came out of

851
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: the DeSantis super pac this week where they leaked their

852
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: debate prep strategy. In politics, we call it a red

853
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: box where it's a way for a super pac to

854
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 2: legally communicate with the campaign. Oh interesting, they released their

855
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 2: debate prep memos. Now, the guy that wrote the memo

856
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: named Jeff row He's DeSantis uber consultant.

857
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: Okay, if you read Puck, you will know all about

858
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: Jeff Row.

859
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Anyway, Jeff Row's memo when it started circulating

860
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: immediately inside the consulting community of those of us who

861
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: have done debate prep at the at the highest levels,

862
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: we're all reading it, going the fuck is this? It

863
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: read like something I swear to you. If one of

864
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 2: my minions had brought me this plan and said this

865
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 2: is our debate prep memo for the state Assembly race

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Speaker 2: in bumfuck Arkansas, I would have gone, you're fired. That's ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: that's so amateurish. What are you doing? It was so

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Speaker 2: bad and so amateurs And it just goes to show

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Speaker 2: that Ron DeSantis, for all his reputations being a smart guy,

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Speaker 2: is what I call a dumb smart guy. He's smart

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Speaker 2: on paper, he's dome in reality. So that moment of

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Speaker 2: fuckery cost them tens of millions of dollars from Jeff

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Speaker 2: Row's beach house fund, as I call it.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you about that, because that's also

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Speaker 1: my moment of fuckery, that leaked debate thing where it said,

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Speaker 1: you know, attack the vac twice, attack right, I mean

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Speaker 1: attack Joe Biden six times.

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Speaker 3: I mean it had sort of numera.

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Speaker 1: It had pieces of numerology in it too, was totally fascinating.

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Speaker 1: My question was, so you think Jeff Road late to

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Speaker 1: that and not someone like this is not Trump World

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Speaker 1: just going.

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Speaker 2: After these red box links. They're public but obscure, if

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Speaker 2: that makes sense. Like nobody publicized it and said, hey,

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Speaker 2: look here everyone in the world. Right, someone said to

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Speaker 2: a cutout, hey, you know, we've got a lot of

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Speaker 2: ins This might be really helpful to you at Axiomstrategies

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Speaker 2: dot com, slash our fucking stupid debate plan dot org,

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Speaker 2: dot mill dot ru. The stupidity of the way they

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Speaker 2: did it is rivaled only by the weakness of the

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Speaker 2: council they gave Ronda Santa. It's like, here's one of

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Speaker 2: the tips they put in there that I just loved that.

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Speaker 2: It just like two of the tips that killed me.

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Speaker 2: The first one was show warmth.

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Speaker 3: I'm like that, I'll do it.

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Speaker 2: Show warmp what you're gonna roast him at four hundred

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Speaker 2: for thirty minutes?

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Speaker 3: I mean, also show warmth? What does that mean? Like

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Speaker 3: go over?

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Speaker 1: And I mean how Chris Christy right?

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Speaker 2: And the and the other was take a sledgehammer to

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Speaker 2: Vivic Ramaswami. This is a reflection of the reality where

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Speaker 2: Rodnes Sennys's campaign is, is that he has now behind

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Speaker 2: in both national and state polls in New Hampshire, Iowa,

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Speaker 2: South Carolina behind Vi Swammy, right, who.

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Speaker 3: Is basically running on it's not even clear.

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Speaker 2: What no Vivick Ramaswami is running on the troll platform, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's basically the candidate from you know, our

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Speaker 2: four chan.

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Speaker 1: Well, his whole his whole presidency is that he's gonna

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Speaker 1: pardon Trump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck, have fun storm in the castle. Although

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Speaker 2: I just had a moment where I saw like and

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Speaker 2: Trump was a vivic. I need to come to the

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Speaker 2: White House over to thank you. And then he murders

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Speaker 2: him and he sits at the desk. That's the end

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Speaker 2: of this season of House of Cards.

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Speaker 3: It's House of Cards if everyone was stupid.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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