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Speaker 1: a special edition of The Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: We are live from the Steelers O T A. S

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Speaker 1: Here to U P. M. C. Rooney Sports Complex taking

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Speaker 1: over for the quest you learning. Arthur Moats. I am

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Speaker 1: dale ally with Matt Williamson, our usual team here. Matt

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Speaker 1: and how many years is this for us? Now? I

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Speaker 1: don't have any idea, I mean more I think of

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Speaker 1: don't we don't celebrate an the anniversary. We don't five

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Speaker 1: the drive you right, So it's been quite some time. Um,

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Speaker 1: we actually do not share a brain, even though sometimes

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Speaker 1: with pursudo have been funny over the years because we

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Speaker 1: ten weeks in a row. How was your big holiday weekend?

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Speaker 1: It was good. I went, I was back home up

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Speaker 1: twenty nine years. Uh. Did the commencement speech at my

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Speaker 1: dale all in here with Matt Williamson listening to the

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Speaker 1: Drive live from Steelers o t A sessions here at

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Speaker 1: the u p mc Redi's coach Complex. And I met

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Speaker 1: West Euler and Arthur moach at at Alex Highsmith on

447
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Speaker 1: earlier today and we were talking off the year while

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Speaker 1: they were doing that interview, and I would expect with

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Speaker 1: Stephan to it back and we do expect stuff onto it, right,

450
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Speaker 1: t J. Watt coming off a Defensive Player of the

451
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Speaker 1: Year award, Kim Hayward out there mixing a Lulu and

452
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Speaker 1: Lealton who weren't in the mix of milk a year order.

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Speaker 1: And you know, right right, Alex high Smith should see

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Speaker 1: a lot of one on ones this year, a lot

455
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Speaker 1: with one on ones, like almost exclusively, one of with

456
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Speaker 1: tight ends. Even even with tight ends are backs at times, right,

457
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Speaker 1: different protection schemes. So it's funny he was sitting here

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Speaker 1: right next to us and we were kind of half

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Speaker 1: listening and chatting amongst ourselves. And when we're play that

460
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Speaker 1: that interview for you guys later, and it dawned on me.

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Speaker 1: It's like, Dale, you and I have spent a lot

462
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Speaker 1: of time talking Steelers since they've not played the game,

463
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, since they're last snap of a year,

464
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Speaker 1: and I don't think his name's come up that often

465
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Speaker 1: compared to many others. And it's interesting because he's at

466
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Speaker 1: a somewhat pivotal stage of his career, you know, like

467
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Speaker 1: he sat down with those guys recently and said, Wow,

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Speaker 1: this is your three already, and it dawned. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's like, well, they can extend him, you know, like

470
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Speaker 1: it's almost that time. I mean, it's how this league

471
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Speaker 1: works if you don't have that fifth year thing at

472
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Speaker 1: fifth year option, before you know it his decision time.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying they will or won't, but I

474
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Speaker 1: mean he's progressing well. I think he's going down the

475
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Speaker 1: path where you want to keep him long term. I

476
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Speaker 1: think he keeps getting better. And you're right, I'm sure

477
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Speaker 1: this defensive staff will realize all the attention Cam and

478
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Speaker 1: particularly what are going to get amongst the others that

479
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Speaker 1: so many of these Blitz packages. Not that I'm an

480
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Speaker 1: expert Blitz schemer or anything are designed to get one

481
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Speaker 1: guy one on one on a week link and I

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Speaker 1: think Higsmith might be that guy more than ever, you know, like,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not taking any away from him. When it's

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Speaker 1: all said and done, his total might even be greater

485
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Speaker 1: than his real impact, you know what I mean, because

486
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Speaker 1: the other guys are going to be in so much him.

487
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Speaker 1: Last year Chris Warmley ended up i think with seven sacks,

488
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Speaker 1: which was a career high for him, and it was like, wow,

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Speaker 1: Chris Warmley has seven sacks. Yeah, yeah, because he's getting

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Speaker 1: one on once on once, right, and it's just a

491
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Speaker 1: ripple effect. That's why you pay the great players too,

492
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Speaker 1: you know, so the other guys could feast too. But

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Speaker 1: you're right, I mean Highsmith to me, if you leave

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Speaker 1: him on the back or tight end, no matter who

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Speaker 1: those backs and tight ends are, he should feast. And

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Speaker 1: and that's not gonna happen often, but there will be

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Speaker 1: blitz packages where the flow of the blitz goes to

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Speaker 1: one direction and he's one on one on whoever's left,

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Speaker 1: which is often a back or it's a tight end.

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Speaker 1: You know, you should eat that up. And one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why you take t J want you move

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Speaker 1: him to the strong side, the right side of the

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Speaker 1: defense or right side of the offense. Um is because

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Speaker 1: so many teams want to roll their quarterback to the right,

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Speaker 1: right right. Well, now you take that away from him.

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Speaker 1: So if you get you get the quarterback. If you

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Speaker 1: can get him rolling to the left, I mean that

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Speaker 1: should set high myth up for it's just harder to

509
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Speaker 1: throw to the left of your right into quarterback, you know.

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Speaker 1: And then there's guys like Baker that have you know,

511
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Speaker 1: crutches where they would always rolls their first move. Now.

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Speaker 1: But I think he could have a huge year. And

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Speaker 1: again I'm not being critical of him, but if he

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Speaker 1: doesn't feast this year, maybe you look at me like

515
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Speaker 1: maybe he's a one and done contract guy. But if

516
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Speaker 1: he really takes advantage of what's around him as well

517
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Speaker 1: as improving in his own merit, which I expect him

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Speaker 1: to do, um, he should have a very productive season. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: T J. Watt last year twenty two and a half sacks. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you look at his first seventy seven games now

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Speaker 1: in his career, he has many games that he missed

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Speaker 1: last year. Do you know of your head three? I

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Speaker 1: think it was ended up being two one of them

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Speaker 1: told him, ended up being almost three and a half

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Speaker 1: games worth of of actual on field. Like, if you

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Speaker 1: look at sacks per snap, he was by far the

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Speaker 1: best in the league. Yeah. Yeah, uh so seventy two

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Speaker 1: sacks in in seventy seven career games, which is remarkable. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: especially when you consider, I mean his first year was

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Speaker 1: he had seven sacks first year in sixteen games. His

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Speaker 1: first year he lined up on the right side, correct,

532
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Speaker 1: he was, he was over the left tackle. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's say I couldn't remember when they said that they

534
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Speaker 1: made that move after the rookie year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, it worked out well for both of them.

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Speaker 1: So right now, through his first six seasons, t J.

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Speaker 1: Watt has and he hasn't played year six yet by

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Speaker 1: the way, so he's played five five, five full seasons.

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Speaker 1: The most sacks in NFL history in the first six

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Speaker 1: seasons by a player was Reggie White with nine five.

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Speaker 1: Now there is a caveat with that because Reggie White

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Speaker 1: played his first couple of years in USFL. They're counting those, no, okay,

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Speaker 1: so he was not a twenty one year old rookie

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Speaker 1: years he didn't have that. T J Watts seven sacked

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Speaker 1: right right right? He came right into the league as

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Speaker 1: Reggie White. You know here, I am right right right

547
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Speaker 1: right before grown man. I'm a little bit bigger and

548
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Speaker 1: stronger than the average rookie. So he had probably been

549
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Speaker 1: fine either way. But I don't know if he would

550
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Speaker 1: have gone out and had fourteen sacks nfl um. But

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Speaker 1: again that's after six years. Yes, I mean so, t

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Speaker 1: Jet if he gets twenty three sacks this year, match

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Speaker 1: Reggie White for the first most ever most sacks in

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Speaker 1: their first six seasons in league history. Three would also

555
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Speaker 1: be right, because he had twenty two and a half

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Speaker 1: last year at a time Michael Strahan for the record.

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Speaker 1: And if we're putting all the cards on the table,

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Speaker 1: he has of one extra game too, correct, but only

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Speaker 1: one of those years. Here's the interesting thing about it.

560
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Speaker 1: So the next closest guy on that list first six

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Speaker 1: seasons is DeMarcus ware. Really, he had eighty sacks is

562
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Speaker 1: through nine six games and his first six seasons. What's

563
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: going to blow through that? That's not much to get passed?

564
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Speaker 1: He needs eight sacks to get stay healthy. Yeah, I

565
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: mean really, honestly, play a dozen games, and you're gonna

566
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Speaker 1: be the second most all time. H third most is

567
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Speaker 1: Derrick Thomas seventy six and a or seventy seven. Then

568
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: you got Bruce Smith was seventy six and a half.

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Speaker 1: Then you guys Lawrence Taylor's not listed yet. Then he

570
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Speaker 1: got J. J. Watt with seventy six in his first

571
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Speaker 1: eighty three games. Von Miller was seventy three and a

572
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Speaker 1: half in eighty eight games. Dexter Lawrence Taylor with seventy

573
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Speaker 1: three and a half and eighty five games. He missed

574
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Speaker 1: some time, that's why he didn't uh dexter manly with

575
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: seventy three sacks in eighty three games. And then you

576
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: get to t. J. Watt was seventy two sacks and

577
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Speaker 1: seventy seven games with a year to play, with a

578
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: year to play if he retired right now, is he

579
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Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame? It's getting close. It's just not

580
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Speaker 1: enough work. I get that. But we've like once you

581
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Speaker 1: once you put Terrell Davison, once you know, once Basselli

582
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: goes in, Basselli was dominant for five years. Well, Watt's

583
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: been dominant now for the defensive Player of the Year.

584
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Speaker 1: Thing is massive, Yeah, right, right right. I mean, if

585
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Speaker 1: he didn't win that last year, I don't even think

586
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Speaker 1: it's a conversation. Donlining it in nine games in his

587
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: first These are the guys he's tied with here. See

588
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: it's seventy two sacks. There's first six seasons, Aaron Donald,

589
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: Jared Allen, Richard Dent, Wow all in the well. Alan

590
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: isn't yet, but he will be and probably and that

591
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: Donald obviously will be. Ye. What's also interesting, and again

592
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: putting comparing eros as difficult in the NFL, but I

593
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: think these hold up in that. You know, in the

594
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: eighties the opponents didn't drop back and pass as often

595
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: as they do now. But there was also way less

596
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: quick game and three steps and stuff like that, and

597
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: you had to run and shoot towards the end of

598
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: the year. Yeah, yeah, that was really where that started. Um,

599
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, some of the West Coast stuff got it

600
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: out quick, but not everybody did it right. But there

601
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: was a lot more seven step drops and longer developing

602
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: plays for LT and these guys to get home. But

603
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: they didn't rush the passer as often, you know, So

604
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Speaker 1: I think that still holds up. You know, It's not like, boy,

605
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: it's a ton easier now to get sacks than it

606
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Speaker 1: was back then because no one on that list is

607
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: even close to t J's age. There's no Miles Garrett

608
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: on that list. There's no you know, other recent guys.

609
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it's it's an interesting list when you

610
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: look at it that way, like that's really good company

611
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: to keep. It's like the best pass rushers ever, right right, right,

612
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Speaker 1: since they the sack was created. I mean, they're the

613
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Speaker 1: best ones. I mean, Red, there's no one better than

614
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Speaker 1: Reggie White and LT Yeah. Right. I was surprised to

615
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: see the Marcus Ware that high, but a little It's

616
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Speaker 1: funny when he brought him up though. That was the

617
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: year I was with the Browns, so you know, not

618
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: that we didn't know a lot about him, a small

619
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Speaker 1: school guy, but he really shined at the Senior Bowl,

620
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Speaker 1: and he was in consideration for us at three. Overall

621
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: it was him and Mary ben Seawan Merriman were high

622
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: high picks that year. And boy, the more and more

623
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Speaker 1: you watched the Marcus Ware, you thought, this guy is awesome.

624
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: I mean, and he really really was. So he had

625
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: a tremendous career. I think he's a Hall of Famer

626
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: now too. I think you think, did he just get

627
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: in recently this year? Yeah? Uh so yeah, really good

628
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: company to keep theirs. And that's why you don't people

629
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: talk about uh they were There were actually people in

630
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Speaker 1: town who didn't think the Steelers should pay j Wat,

631
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: which boggles my mind. He misses a game or two

632
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: here and there. That's the only negative I've ever heard of,

633
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Speaker 1: you know, Okay, you know, I mean I don't think

634
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Speaker 1: when he plays he's dominant, right, it's and okay, he

635
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Speaker 1: misses some time or he has missed time, it doesn't

636
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: mean he's going to going forward. And you hear things

637
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: like well big brother missed time, like, well, I'm not

638
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: sure that's a determining factor for me to pay him

639
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: or not. I still would have paid big brother too

640
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: if he's going all the fame too, you know, right,

641
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, so it's not like he misses time

642
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: because he doesn't work hard. These are in this game

643
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: you're going to get injured. Yeah, absolutely, just the reality

644
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: of the situation. Anybody. I talked to Tyson and lua

645
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: Lu today and last year, up until last year, he'd

646
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: missed two games in his career. I mean, he was

647
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: he was Mr. Durable yeah, you know, somebody he falls

648
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: into your ankle, you break your ankle. You know, that's

649
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing that that can happen out there.

650
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: You're not the wolverine. I mean, certainly are there are

651
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: guys that will still be effective when injured, you know,

652
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: to two different degrees. But then there's also injuries you

653
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: no one's playing through, right, you know. I mean that

654
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: that's the difference. That's the difference of players. A lot

655
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: of young players need to figure out the difference between

656
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: being hurt and being injured. You know, are you okay?

657
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: I'm at eight percent? I can still go out there

658
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: and play really, you know, at a high level. It's funny.

659
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: I was watching I haven't watched much hockey since the

660
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: pen's got eliminated, but I was watching Game seven last

661
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: night with the Rangers, game that they won, and it

662
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: just kind of dawned on me. I'm like, can you

663
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: imagine what every one of those players is Like, I mean,

664
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: they were highlighting this one dude who blocked like ten

665
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: shots in the game, like every one of those has

666
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: to he must just be a walking bruise, you know.

667
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there isn't one guy on that ice who

668
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: isn't hurt. You know, injured is different and playing through

669
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: that is different. But the NFL is no different. I

670
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: mean I look at hockey and basketball and think about

671
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 1: a marathon of games they have to play before they

672
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: raise the trophy. But man, one NFL game is a

673
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: heck of a harder under body than an NBA game,

674
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, so there is an

675
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: art to playing hurt, as you said, And I don't

676
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: think that Watt is short on that. No, I don't

677
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: think so he's either. And you know, I think last

678
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: year was just kind of flukey with some of the

679
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: stuff that he that he did have. UM, you know,

680
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: so he's on that that kind of career path, um,

681
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: an all time career path, an all time career path,

682
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: like better than Derrick Thomas. Yeah, I mean he's already.

683
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: I think he needs uh like seven sacks this year

684
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: to tie James Harrison for the franchise for the franchise lead.

685
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't the Carolina Panthers or something new

686
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: team or an unsuccessful team. And I'm not picking on

687
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: the Panthers, but I mean to your Hall of Fame question,

688
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: if he has a if he is a duplicate year

689
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: that he had last year. I think he's in Yeah,

690
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the conversation is over. Then. Ian's

691
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: that close back to back twenty sa years and you're right,

692
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: right right, Even if he gets sixteen this year, he's

693
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: still So that's three years in a row. You'd probably

694
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: be either win Defensive Player of the Year or runner

695
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: up four because he was four, he finished third two

696
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: years ago. Three years ago, he was third two years

697
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: two years ago, he was second. Last year he won it,

698
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: and he'd be writing the mix again obviously with those

699
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: kind of numbers. Yeah, that's enough. I don't think you

700
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: do if he puts today. But he's not quitting today.

701
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: But the one thing I talked to Derek Watt for

702
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: the story I wrote, and you know, I said, hey,

703
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: what's what still drives him? What? You know, what's he

704
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: wants to win a Super Bowl? You know, that's the

705
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: ultimate goal. This this stuff is. You know, winning his

706
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: awards is nice, and he's now seen his brother win

707
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: four of these damn things. They got a lot of hardware.

708
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah uh, he said, yeah, that motivates him, you know,

709
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: to go win another one. But the ultimate goal is

710
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 1: to go win the super Bowl, and he's human. I'm

711
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: sure he wanted to get a big contract to you know,

712
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: and he got that, you know. I mean that's a

713
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: motivation for anyone. But yeah, super Bowls were the key,

714
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: and I think that it still amazes me. And you

715
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: could do this with a lot of players, Like I

716
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: bring this up with DK Metcalf all the time, like

717
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: how does t J watt at the end of the

718
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: first round? I mean, his test thing was remarkably good.

719
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: I know he didn't play edge at Wisconsin all that long,

720
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, I mean his body of work at college

721
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: level wasn't as quite as good as some of the others,

722
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: and it was a really good edge edge class from

723
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: what I remember. But man, I mean, what's on the

724
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: ninth Yeah, right, right, right, But I'm not saying you

725
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: should went ahead of Miles Garrett at one at the time,

726
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: but for him to last at the end of the

727
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: first round, and I didn't think he would make it

728
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: to him. I mean I think, if I remember correctly,

729
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: I didn't be him picked around twenties somewhere range. I

730
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: thought they'd end up with like Lawson who ended up

731
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: going in the second or third round, who was a

732
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: really good player. They got fine, but I think I

733
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: ended up and maybe Taco Charlton Um he almost made

734
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: it to their pick. But yeah, right again, you know

735
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: some people go quick too. Who knows if people looked

736
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: at that, I think JJ was hurt at that point

737
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: he said, well he's he's JJ. If he were JJ's

738
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: little brother, would we look at it in the same way. No,

739
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: you heard that a lot. You can't look at things

740
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: that way. You just have to look at the player

741
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: as the player. No, I didn't think he benefited. I mean,

742
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: if his last name is William and you don't think

743
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: he would have gone higher or lower. You know, But

744
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 1: you heard a lot of people saying that, like, well,

745
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: you know, he gets overblown because of who his brother

746
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: is and his brother got hurt, is he gonna get hurt?

747
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand that, you know. Yeah. But to

748
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: bring it back around now to Alex heismith Um. You

749
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: know high Smith has now been starting on the other

750
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: side of him now for a little over a year.

751
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: He started, you know, a lot of his some his

752
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: rookie year with Bud Dupree out there, he gets some snaps,

753
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: but last year was really the first year of those

754
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: two working in conjunction with and I thought, what and

755
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: Dupree had that Yin and Yang, Yeah, I thought so

756
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: to work off of each other. I thought they had

757
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: very different styles and they don't look the same when

758
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: they walked in the door, and you know, and those

759
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: styles stylistically worked out well, especially flopping left and right. Yeah,

760
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: that was a great move. Um. So I expect, you know,

761
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: high Smith to really benefit from rushing opposite the defensive

762
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: player of the year and next to it, you know,

763
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: an all Pro potential Hall of Famer himself and in Hayward. Um.

764
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: I think this is less important in this defense than

765
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: it was back in the day, the Lebou times and

766
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: all that, But I think there's something to be said

767
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: for a pair of edge rushers playing together. You wouldn't

768
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: think it's that big a deal because they don't play

769
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder. It's not like stunting and things like that.

770
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: But you see how many times would you see Greg

771
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: Lloyd look over to Green and they do do that

772
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: little symbol above their head which means like you're going

773
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: or I'm going and I'm I'm dropping or you know,

774
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: like those two have to communicate a lot as to

775
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: who's coming who isn't you know what they're seeing this

776
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: guy goes in motion. That changes the strength of the formation.

777
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: Now it's knowing where where what's going to be rushing from,

778
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: because they'll move him around, they'll move to the field

779
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: and bring him up the middle and do or put

780
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: him over the guard. And I think that will continue

781
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: to with what So if you know that the TJ

782
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: is doing that or if you know, I mean, if

783
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: you're it's almost like when Paula Malla would freeland you

784
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: know a little bit, and so that you know you

785
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: have to know where he's coming from him where the

786
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: quarterback might flush too. I think that's all part of

787
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: it as well. Oh boy, you know, if t J

788
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: is coming up the middle, he may he may try

789
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: to flush to my side too, and it changes all

790
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: the gap responsibilities, gets the run and all those type

791
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: of things too. Where you can see, okay, well he's

792
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: got the he's got the back lined up as most

793
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 1: will be now on on his right side hip pocket.

794
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: The quarterback does because he's gonna chip t J. Yeah

795
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: right right, right, Um, they've also got the tight end

796
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: over there. I've got one on one here, you know

797
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: against I got the left the accle one on one right,

798
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: and he's gonna get that a ton yeah right now

799
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Or hey, if the back is if

800
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: t J is gonna drop here and the back's gonna

801
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: pick me up, he's got across the face of the quarterback,

802
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: so I may have I may be able to beat

803
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: him on his outside, yeah, because he's got a longer

804
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: way to go, you know, things like that. Yeah, and

805
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: that's all experienced experience, right, Yeah, I might be able

806
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: to steal half a step or half a second, you know,

807
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: and that's all right, right right, absolutely, so, yeah, they

808
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: do work in tandem, and they do. You know, that's

809
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: why big year for alex II Smith. And again playing

810
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: opposite the NFL Defensive Player of the Year doesn't hurt one, no,

811
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: not at all. And again going back to history, Lloyd

812
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: Green and Porter and Gilden and Harrison and Woodleys and

813
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: all the guys they've played with, sure helps to have

814
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: a really good one on the other side. Have you

815
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: got to You've got something? Yea. And the fact that is,

816
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: is this the best pass rush ever in Steeler history.

817
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking I'm talking league history, because you lead to

818
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: league and They've not leading five straight years. It's not

819
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: been done before, it has never been done more than

820
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: two years in a row. And each year they keep

821
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: adding to that. It's kind of a dynasty consistency because

822
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: you have to compare it to the other teams in

823
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: your era. Sure, sure, that's the that's the thing to me.

824
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: You know, yes, there's been teams that have gone out

825
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: there and gotten seventies sacks in a season, But when

826
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: you look at the other teams in their era, the

827
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: other you know, other the second place was sixty something.

828
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: Now you get the fifty five sacks. You've gotten a bunch.

829
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: That's it's a lot. It's a good point because when

830
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: you said that, I immediately thought, no, you know, like

831
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: what about the Purple People eaters or you know Merlin

832
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: Olsen's rams, or you know the teams that had three

833
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers and a base four man pass rush.

834
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: But to your point, and I always say this, and

835
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: I was used the Babe Ruth example. If you're going

836
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: to talk about all time, you can only compare teams

837
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: to their era and the dominant in the era. That's

838
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: why I bring up Babe Ruth because he hit more

839
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: home runs than half the league teams, you know, Like

840
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: that's the one in that baseball does that anymore? I mean,

841
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: that's the most dominant thing you could be or you know,

842
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: so if you're that dominant over thirty one other teams

843
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: in that category, I think you have to be considered,

844
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, like exsistently lead a year in and erape

845
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: you're doing something right. Like if the Five Bears lasted

846
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: five years, Yeah, they lasted too or whatever, you know

847
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: what I mean, in a non free agency period too, Right,

848
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: that's a good point you've got to keep. I mean,

849
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: with all respect to the seventy Steelers, nobody was swiping

850
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: LC after his fourth year, you know what I mean,

851
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: or Dwight White or those guys. You know, Like, I'm

852
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: sure there's a lot of listeners like, yeah, this defense

853
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: is great YouTube, but it's not the steal curtain, And

854
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: I get nobody I'm saying, I'm not talking about the

855
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: past run. The numbers and the production are hard to

856
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: argue with. Yeah. Yeah, So let's take a break with

857
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: a little overdue. Here. He is Gott Williams and I

858
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: am Dale Lolly. You're listening to a live edition of

859
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: The Drive here at the u p M. C Rooney

860
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: Sports Complex here as we finish up uh day four

861
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: of Phase three of Steeler O t A Sessions here.

862
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this. Welcome back

863
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: on Dale Lolly, Matt Williamson. This is the special edition

864
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: of the Drive here on the Steelers Nation Radio. We

865
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: are alive from the Steelers O t A Sessions here

866
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: at the U p M. C Rooney Sports Complex. Everything

867
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: wrapped up now. The field workers are out there fixing

868
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: up the the turf here at the U p M.

869
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: C Rooney Sports Complex and U Matt little toasty but

870
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: a beautiful day. Yeah, melt Keiper Ah Yes, came out

871
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: with his big board for next year. Time to learn

872
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: some names. Yeah, never too early to take a look

873
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: at that, as uh, you know we did with Todd

874
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: mcshaw came out with his early mock draft. We'll go

875
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: ahead and run down that list. He has Will Anderson Jr.

876
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: Out of the the edge rusher out of Alabama's number one,

877
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: and I think that that's should be that should stick

878
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: all year. I've watched some of him as everybody else has,

879
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, in national championship games. High profile and maybe

880
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: I'll go back on this. I think he's the best

881
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: edge rushing prospect I've ever seen. I mean, I really

882
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: do it. I mean, better than Chase Young or the

883
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: bosses are strong, he's fast, he's ridiculous. I mean, he's

884
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: unbelievably good. And we're way of getting ahead of ourselves,

885
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 1: which is the nature of all these lists because they'll

886
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: change dramatically. But whoever has the first overall pick better

887
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: be really certain on a quarterback that not take this guy,

888
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? That another Alabama guy, Bryce

889
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: Young at number two. He's little though he is little.

890
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: Uh that's a bit of a great player, but he's little,

891
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: right that excuse me a little. Some have the Ohio

892
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: State kid ahead of him, a little sturdier, you know,

893
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: but those two are to be neck and neck fighting

894
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: for that first quarterback at least. You know, he's not

895
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: gonna grow height wise, but he should be going in

896
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: the next year's raft process. You'd like to see him

897
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: at two or five or two ten. I wish he

898
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: was built a little more like Russell Wilson, you know,

899
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: just a little more thickness to him. I mean, he's

900
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: a wire. He's kind of built like Zach Wilson. Or Corral,

901
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, and that worries me a little bit, but boy,

902
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: he's fun to watch. Yeah, yes, c J. Stroud third, Okay,

903
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're gonna go neck and neck. And he's

904
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: six three to fifteen, so he's a little bit big. Yeah, yeah,

905
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: I think that's one of his he's probably more like

906
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: six yeah, exactly, exactly live with that, um. But those

907
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: are the three names I think that are really fighting

908
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: for the first overall pick. Very subject to change. For

909
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: is Jalen Carter, the defensive tackle out of Georgia. I

910
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: see it. I sense a trend. Yeah, how many times

911
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: last year it took us. I mean it took me

912
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: a while to figure it out too, But wow, Jordan Davis,

913
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: he comes off the field and on third downs and

914
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: he's only playing twenty four snaps a game. Can you

915
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: pay for that? And well, you know, I you know,

916
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: I remember saying and things like, well, I've heard they

917
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: have this kid who's pretty good behind him. I didn't

918
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: know that he was, you know, projected to be top

919
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: five and he's about getting picked the head of Wyatt

920
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: or Davis. You know, So you got away that when

921
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: you watch these kids that just came out this year too. Yeah.

922
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: Five is no surprise here Jackson Smith and got By

923
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: and the job By I think. Yeah. He was also

924
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: better than the two Ohio State guys that went in

925
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: the first round. The reason why Jamison Williams transferred right right,

926
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: well said, you know exactly, but he's a receiver from

927
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: Ohio State that people don't realize. If they don't realize,

928
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: two Ohio State receivers go in the first round, and

929
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: he's better than both of them, just like the Georgia situation.

930
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: Six is Brian Breese, a defensive tackle out of Clemson.

931
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: He's six five pounds. He has a true Steelers Yeah,

932
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 1: defensive end. Yeah, exactly. Again, a lot of these guys

933
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to comment on hold it on.

934
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: I just know some of the names too, and I'm

935
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: doing my way too early projections. But he's He's at

936
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: the top of all the lists as well. He only

937
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: played in four games last year because it was torn

938
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: a c. L kind has that cam to it body

939
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: type like you talked about. Seven is Michael Mayer, the

940
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: tight end out of Notre Dame. There has to be

941
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: Halloween Michael Meyer. You know, galore, everyone should come in with,

942
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, inverted shatting her masks or whatever whenever he

943
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: gets picked. But great tight end prospect. He's been really

944
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: good for a couple of years for them. Eight is

945
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: Eli Ricks, cornerback out of Alabama. Your classic size, Yeah,

946
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: I mean classic Bama Stingley type guy you know that

947
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: has all the all the things you're looking for. Started

948
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: out a l s U and then transfer at Alabama.

949
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: That's why I mentioned Stingley because a lot of these guys,

950
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, the transfers are hard to keep up with,

951
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: but it's sort of annoying, to be honest with you.

952
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: The old school part of me doesn't hates all the transfers,

953
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: but well. Uh Nine is k Shawn Boute watch receiver

954
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: out of Yeah. Is he a big body? Guys like Okay,

955
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: I thought he was a little bigger than that. I

956
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: thought he was a little thicker. But L s U

957
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: does alright with receiver. Uh Ten is bye John Robinson,

958
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: the running back out of Texas. Running back at ten.

959
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people talking not he's a s

960
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: Quan type prospect, but certainly better than even a Nausey

961
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: or anybody that came out this year that he will

962
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: probably be a first round pick, you know, like that,

963
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: any year he comes out, he's a first round pick,

964
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: even if you're anti running back in round one type.

965
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: You know. Eleven is Peter Skrinsky or Scornsky, I should say,

966
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: offensive tackle out of Northwestern. I've also heard he's really steady,

967
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: you know, much like Slater at Northwestern, just year after

968
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 1: year stud player. You know. Twelve is Tyler Van Dyke,

969
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: quarterback out of Miami. He's kind of the strong armed,

970
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: bigger saw him last year against Pitt and he just

971
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: lit them up, lit them up. Yeah. I mean a

972
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: lot of people talking about next year's class is better

973
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: than this year's class with the quarterbacks, and as it

974
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: stands right now, it is. I'm fighting that. But it's

975
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 1: more than just the top two the Bama Ohios date guy.

976
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: There's five other names or so that are in the mix,

977
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: and Van Dyke seems to be the consensus third from

978
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: what I've seen, speaking of which thirteen is Anthony Richardson,

979
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: quarterback out of Florida. Another big body guy, sixty six.

980
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: He's sort of like the Malik Willis, but I mean

981
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: a bigger school that there's not a ton of snaps

982
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: but he's a ridiculous athlete traits player, right, maybe even

983
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: only through sixty four passes last year. Yeah, he also

984
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: had fifty one carries for four one yards, almost like

985
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: a Terrell Prior. Yeah, you know right, maybe a Cam

986
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: Newton type. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got that side. But

987
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: this will be a pavoble year for him because there

988
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: hasn't been that much to really go off of. How

989
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: about this next one? Number fourteen is Andre Carter, outside

990
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: linebacker from Army. Say, I don't know that name, too

991
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: good for him if you awesome to have an Army

992
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: guy in the first round, right. Uh. Fifteen is Paris

993
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: Johnson Jr. Offensive tackle edt of Ohio State. They were

994
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: due to have an offensive lineman go super high for

995
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: a year or two. Sixteen is uh iake Eka, defensive

996
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: tackle out of Baylor Si. Okay, I don't know that

997
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: name yet either, but big body guy speculation, but I

998
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: think there's a chance the Stealers first round pick next

999
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: year could be him, you know again like that? Yeah? Absolutely?

1000
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: The next in line. Seventeen is Miles Murphy, defensive end

1001
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: out of Clemson. Six five to seventy five all shapes

1002
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: and sizes, Yeah. Eighteen is Jordan Addison, wide receiver at

1003
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: usc Um, formerly of pit. Nineteen is Isaiah what they

1004
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: list Addison that se okay, I was wondering what the

1005
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: weight is. I bet he's a little lighter than that.

1006
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: Nineteen is Isaiah fox Sky, outside linebacker out of Notre

1007
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: Dame six five to sixty Okay, boy, there's some big

1008
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: edge guys. Six five to sixty seventy range. Twenty is

1009
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: Cam Smith, cornerback out of South Carolina. Seven has a

1010
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: good size cornerback, could be the steer the first round

1011
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 1: pick next year. To Yeah. Twenty one is Kaylee Ringo,

1012
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: cornerback out of Georgia six to two oh five. I

1013
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: think he's a transfer um maybe from Bama. Could be

1014
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: getting some of these transfers mixed up, but they don't

1015
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: say anything about that here. Speaking of the Michael Myers mask,

1016
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: I mean, how many Tombstone jokes do we have? John

1017
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: Ringo like somebody walking harsh your great at twenty two

1018
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: is will Love Us a Kentucky. I don't what's that?

1019
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: Will love Us? Will love His quarterback at of Kentucky

1020
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: is twenty two. He's six. He's a Penn State transfer

1021
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: a lot of bigger body. It's a big quarters supposed

1022
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: to this past season where they were all smaller. Yeah, exactly,

1023
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: And it's not that they're stiffs, but they're more traditional,

1024
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 1: throw from the pocket, big body, take a beating type.

1025
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: Twenty three is Noah Seul, inside linebacker out of Oregon.

1026
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: He's Penny's brother, little brother, I say little, Yeah. I

1027
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: think Penny's only like twenty one, so they must be

1028
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: pretty close in age. Yeah. Twenty four is Antonio Johnson,

1029
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: another defensive back, this one from Texas A and M six.

1030
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: He's the decks hill of this year. Okay, do you

1031
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: have a safe cleaner all the above? Trent and Simpson

1032
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: outside Clemson thirty so a little little undersized, but yeah,

1033
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: but he's taller. Yeah, No, he's got you could think

1034
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: you should be able to put on ten pounds. Curious

1035
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: what he is as an edge rusher too, and if

1036
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: you're six three ish, i'd like to see to come

1037
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: off the edge. He has his overall rankings here. Um,

1038
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: if we're looking here, I'm I'm just cruising down through

1039
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: here to see if there are any other local guys

1040
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 1: on these lists. Um, I'm not familiar with what Phil

1041
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: Djokovic from Boston College. Yeah, he's been mine. Richland guy, Um,

1042
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: what's his quarterback ranks? Who's his top ten? Bryce Young,

1043
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: C J. Stroud, Tyler van Dyke, Anthony Richardson, Will Levis,

1044
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: Jaren Hall from b y U is his connect guy

1045
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: on the list, Tanner McKee from Stanford, Devin Leary from

1046
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: NC State, Phil Djerkovic from Boston College and attend is

1047
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: hen In Hooker from Tennessee. Some of those guys I

1048
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: don't know well yet. We're looking here that where the

1049
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: Steelers first round pick might be next year. About the

1050
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: lineman types or corner right off the offensive tackles, Yeah,

1051
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: Peter Scronski, Paris Johnson, Blake Freeland from b y U,

1052
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: Broderick Jones from Georgia, Jalen Duncan from Maryland, Zion Nelson

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Speaker 1: from Miami. He was in first round marks a year ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Anton Harrison from Oklahoma, Ryan Hayes from Michigan, Jackson Kirkland

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Speaker 1: from Washington, and Connor Jackson Kirkland has been on list

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Speaker 1: for three years. To Connor Galvin from Baylor. Uh, if

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Speaker 1: you're looking at the defensive end types, you're looking at

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Speaker 1: Will Anderson, Miles. Some of these are edge, just playing edge,

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Speaker 1: Will Anderson, Miles, Murphy, Felix and new in new dk

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Speaker 1: Uzoma from k State, Zach Harrison from Ohio State, Habakuk

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Speaker 1: bal Dolnado out of Pitt. I bet that's not how

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Speaker 1: you pronounced Baldonado, I know. But he's at the end. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah. Uh. Trap on these youngsters and in

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Speaker 1: the hallway here and see what they have to say about.

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Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech, Byron John Byron Young from Alabama,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Lacy from Oklahoma State, Kolby Wooden from Auburn, and

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Speaker 1: Ali Gay from l s U. And the defensive tackles

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Speaker 1: are Jalen Carter, Brian Breese uh Eka from Baylor, Gervin

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Speaker 1: Dexter from Florida, h Chuckle and Roy from l s U,

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Speaker 1: Zack Pickens from South Carolina, Elijah Cancy from Pitt, Kanu

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Speaker 1: Benton from Wisconsin, Totley tip A lat To from USC

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Speaker 1: and Tyler Davis from Clemson to Pitt again has two

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Speaker 1: d linemen of note. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they've been

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Speaker 1: a good job. Yeah, they certainly have, and they've they've

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Speaker 1: really get after the quarterback a lot. That's good. Good

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Speaker 1: for them. Uh, we're gonna take another break. Heres Matt Williamson.

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