1 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to this second episode of Phishology. We'll be 2 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: giving you advance stats from your twenty twenty two Marlons players. 3 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: I'm joined here tonight, first with Lewis. 4 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: Lewis, how are you doing? 5 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 3: I'm good, Danny about you, I'm doing great, doing great. 6 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 3: And then Adam, who just finished his dinner. He had 7 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 3: a bomb dinner and he came in to do this podcast. Adam, 8 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 3: first off, how was that dinner? 9 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 4: It was fantastic. Man had some good low made noodles. 10 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 4: And now we're here to talk about some Marlin's baseball. 11 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 4: So it could not be more ecstatic to do so awesome. 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: Well, for that first episode we talked about Sandy. We 13 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: really enjoyed that episode. So we're gonna do this morning 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: a bi weekly basis and for tonight, so we'll be 15 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: talking about Jazz Chisholm Junior, one of the best young 16 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: players in the Marlins, one of the best second basement 17 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: in baseball, had his season cut short due to injuries. 18 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: So we'll be talking about Jazz advanced stats and a 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: potential contract extension. First off, some stats for Jazz this year, 20 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: only playing in I believe sixty games this season, having 21 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: a war of two point five, one of the highest 22 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: in the Marlins despite playing only sixty games. Lewis talked 23 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: to me about Jazz this season and his limited sample size. 24 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean, I think, you know, obviously it 25 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 5: was a shortened season because of the lower back strain 26 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 5: and then what turned out to be a Tormentiscus was 27 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 5: later revealed he was playing through that. When you look 28 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 5: at I guess the changes that he made going into 29 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, there was definitely some signs of growth. 30 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 5: He gradually upped his walk, right. I believe he was 31 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 5: walking about nine percent of the time this season after 32 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 5: walking just under seven percent last year. So you know, 33 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 5: that's an improvement you wanted to see from a guy. 34 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 5: I believe he walked less than thirty times this Rooki year, 35 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 5: which again not encouraging. But when you see the power 36 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 5: speed combination that he displayed as a twenty four year old, 37 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 5: it was, you know, definitely something to build off of, 38 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 5: especially when you consider that the team was nowhere near 39 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 5: a playoff contender in twenty twenty one. So you kind 40 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 5: of felt that like if he took a big step 41 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 5: forward that he would further assert himself to be a 42 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 5: member of that corps. But yeah, you know, the power 43 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 5: kind of meant further manifested itself, which was great to see. 44 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,559 Speaker 5: Saw him barreling up more baseballs. 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 6: Anderson's first pitch to Jazz is hit in the air 46 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 6: and sent out to fairly deep right field. That one's 47 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 6: going to carry off the scoreboard. On the first pitch 48 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 6: of the game. Jazz all over it and it's won nothing, marlinus. 49 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 6: Jazz gets into one out towards center way back there, 50 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 6: way get it's gone. 51 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 5: We know the defense that he gives you at second base. 52 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 5: But uh yeah, I mean not to say that he 53 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 5: would have made them a playoff team had he stayed healthy, 54 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 5: because obviously only one player can only do so much, 55 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 5: and one player does not make or break a season. 56 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 5: It's a collective effort, especially in a sport like baseball. 57 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 5: But I think the improvements that he made, you know, 58 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 5: albeit in a smaller sample size, are very encouraging. Jazz 59 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 5: is just maybe that guy right now, and it kind 60 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 5: of like, see of nobody's for this, this Marlins team 61 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 5: for the position player standpoint. 62 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Adam, I know you're a big Jazz believer. I'm 63 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: going to the contract togget maybe your number compared to 64 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: Lewis's later on in the podcast, but give me a 65 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: little description of your thoughts on Jazz and maybe some 66 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: advanced stats you see from a mister Chisholm that might 67 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: stand out to you. 68 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, So, I mean kind of like we see with 69 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: Jazz Chisholm. He's for me of a three tool player 70 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 4: in the sense that he's got the power, he's got 71 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 4: the speed, he's got the glove to play second base. 72 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: The reason why he's had second not his shortstop, and 73 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 4: actually learned later is because he has a very very 74 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 4: poor throwing arm right so that's limiting him to the 75 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 4: right side of the diamond. And he's not the best. 76 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 4: He doesn't have the greatest feel for hitting either, and 77 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,679 Speaker 4: we've seen this play out the course of his professional career. 78 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 4: He is quite a chaser, and he doesn't make a 79 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 4: lot of contact in the zone as well. We're seeing 80 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 4: him have a lot of struggle with his bat path, 81 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 4: which for me is of an alarming issue for him 82 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 4: going forward. But I think overall, I do like the profile, 83 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 4: and I still think that he projects to be arguably 84 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,679 Speaker 4: the second best or arguably sorry, the best second basement 85 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 4: in baseball at some point in his career, like you said, Danny, 86 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 4: he put up sixty or sorry, two point five wins 87 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 4: above replacement through sixty games. So obviously you can't really 88 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 4: pro rate war but and make it really mean something. 89 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 4: But just for simplicity's sake and just to kind of 90 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 4: map something out and eyeball, it's about five or six 91 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 4: wins that he. 92 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: Would be putting out over the course of a full year. 93 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 5: And yeah, so Adam to cut you, not to cut 94 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 5: you off, but if you go by the b rep 95 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 5: definition of the war that he put up over one 96 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 5: hundred and sixty two game pace, he's about he's worth 97 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 5: about six point eight wins. And then if you pro 98 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 5: rate his war on a fan grasse basis, which I 99 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 5: believe it was two point three or two point four, 100 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 5: you're looking at six point two. So like you said, 101 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 5: he's about a six win player. And you know, I 102 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 5: mean that's valuable. If you go buy fangrass dollars to war, 103 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 5: that's about fifty million dollars a year in value. Now 104 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 5: he's not a fifty million dollar player because no, it's 105 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 5: he's not in that echelon of player that you feel 106 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 5: comfortable giving that deal to but you know, as we'll 107 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 5: later discuss, and like you said, he was definitely playing 108 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 5: at a pace too. Further justify why it was an 109 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 5: All Star in twenty twenty. 110 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 4: Two, Yeah, I mean Jazz. Oh yeah, I mean like 111 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 4: it's just that no player, really, I mean, no player 112 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 4: receives a fifty million dollar contract per year. But also 113 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 4: he would also just be receiving an arbitration eligible contract 114 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 4: that's cheaper because they would be trying to buy out 115 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 4: his years early on. But yeah, definitely with Jazz, I 116 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 4: mean you gotta remember, Yeah, everyone knows that he is 117 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 4: amongst the best players, the best young players in all 118 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 4: of baseball. And I think really the reason you would 119 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 4: only see them not trying to e bay him right 120 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 4: now is because I think the front office might just 121 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 4: be worried about worried about his injury or his health status. 122 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 4: Right we've seen him miss over one hundred games this year, 123 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 4: and last year he missed forty something games or almost forty, 124 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 4: and it's been something of it. You got to understand. 125 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: I think we talked about with was one of my friends. 126 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 4: I was discussing this earlier that on the Marlin side, 127 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: you take what I just said into it count. But 128 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 4: on the on Jazz's side and his camp is going 129 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 4: to be saying his rotational athleticism and that's. 130 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 2: Part of it. 131 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 4: Basically the name of his game and his ability to 132 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 4: kind of play all over is going to is a 133 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: selling ticket and in his selling point because he's a 134 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 4: shorttop and a smaller guy. So if he's going to 135 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 4: tap it into that power, he's going to be continued 136 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 4: to be athletic. But they're going to try to buy 137 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 4: into that selling point that he's going to be and 138 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 4: better on the fact that he's already going to be 139 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 4: reaching it, rather than not based on the fact that 140 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 4: he's already showed out. So I really like Jazz and 141 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 4: he's definitely gonna be worth something a lot and whenever 142 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,559 Speaker 4: he does receive a free agent contract, and I think 143 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 4: I do buy the bad to some extent, but I 144 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 4: think it's going to be safer rather than something that's 145 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 4: going to doom him eventually. 146 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: I was gonna mention about Jazz and I want you 147 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: guys to tell me a little bit about his DRS, 148 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: what that means, and maybe his average compared to maybe 149 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: other shortstops or second basement. 150 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: Also in the league. 151 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: I was looking here, his defensive runs saved for twenty 152 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: twenty two is two. So I don't know if you 153 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: guys can discuss maybe what that number means, having a 154 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: two for a second basement and what DRS means overall. 155 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 5: Heer what he's done defensively. The average for each physician 156 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 5: is zero. It's the baseline for everything defensively. Zero is average. 157 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 5: Being that he had plus two this year would just 158 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 5: mean that he collectively saved about two runs on defense 159 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 5: by way of his glove. Now, I mean, if you 160 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 5: want to talk about his defense and translate that over 161 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 5: to shortstop, I think you're looking at a less valuable player. 162 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 5: I think too when you look at the offensive profile, 163 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 5: especially of shortstops now relative to second basements now, Jazz 164 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 5: is a lot more valuable when you talk about him, 165 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 5: and probably the best bet for him to get a 166 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 5: bigger contract would be to market himself as the second 167 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 5: baseman bea because he definitely makes a lot of very 168 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 5: flashy plays, but there are times where you do see 169 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 5: that the routine play can be a bit of a 170 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 5: problem for him because he does tend to overthink a 171 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 5: little bit as far as what I've seen with some plays. 172 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 5: Maybe if he's trying to just make it look flashy, 173 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 5: you know, they say Chopper cone up the line and 174 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 5: he's just like trying to get get the ball to 175 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 5: first base make it look like all smooth and sexy, 176 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 5: and it just doesn't work. He is proud to doing that. 177 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 5: Everyone's wrong, but you know most dealers are. But regardless, 178 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 5: I mean, he's a better defender at second base. And 179 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 5: if you're gonna ascribe value to DRS, I think you best, 180 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 5: you know, would want to see him play second base 181 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 5: because I think that's where he's going to generate a 182 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 5: lot of that value. 183 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 7: And this into center jazz cheads up makes the play. 184 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 7: What a grab by Jazz just kind of floating out 185 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 7: in the center field and then reaching out. 186 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 6: And hanging on a great defensive play. 187 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 8: Yeah, and Adam, I wanted to ask you almost the 188 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 8: same thing in terms of how you view Jazz's defense 189 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 8: and maybe what values or advanced stats on defense really 190 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 8: stand out to you or something that you're really looking 191 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 8: at to tell if someone's a good defensive player or 192 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 8: below average. 193 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, So for me, I guess I'll talk about DRS. 194 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 4: For a little bit it's just it's simply just another 195 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 4: metric where you can use, like Lewis mentioned, you have 196 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 4: zero to really simplify it as your average, and then 197 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 4: just plus and minus above and below that is going 198 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 4: to be. 199 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: Above and below average. 200 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 4: So if you've got like five and minus five, that 201 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 4: means you're about a stander deviation or a sixty or 202 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 4: a forty, which is like your scouting metrics. 203 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 2: Above or below the mean, right. 204 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 4: And then if you've got you know, more than that, 205 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 4: you're fantastic, and if you keep going down then you're 206 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 4: really really bad. So Jazz is right in that range 207 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 4: where if you played a full year, he'd be about 208 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 4: a sixty, which is just in the range potentially being 209 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 4: a Gold Glover. And that's at second base. I think 210 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 4: he's got the range to play shortstop. And we talked 211 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 4: about this before in our private chat. The reason why 212 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 4: he's not playing second base, or sorry, he's not playing 213 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 4: shortstop a is because Rojas is at shortstop right now, 214 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 4: and he's just a fantastic Gold Glove caliber shortstop, whereas 215 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 4: Jazz is likely just to be maybe an average to 216 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 4: maybe slightly above average at short and because Jazz just 217 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 4: just doesn't have the best throwing arm either, and I 218 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 4: think you if you saw him move to short that 219 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 4: could improve. But I think it's fringy at best and 220 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 4: you best served the second base. So Lewis, you're right 221 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 4: about that before and I was wrong in terms of 222 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: his throwing arm and why he shouldn't be at shortstop. 223 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 4: For me, I think he's going to be just fine 224 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 4: in terms of what what he's going to receive in 225 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 4: a contract. We saw guys like Ruth net o'door and 226 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 4: like you mentioned, Katel Marte receive at least fifty million dollars, 227 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 4: and you know Odor signed his deal. I think it 228 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 4: was like year four or five years ago. And I 229 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 4: think his UH contact profile is a lot scariers than Jazz, 230 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 4: And that's saying a lot because Jazz is a fringy 231 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 4: hater at best, and Roadors is, even as when he 232 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 4: was coming up as a as a as a prospect, 233 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 4: was not the greatest player. So I think with Jazz, 234 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 4: I think he's going to receive. I think he's defensively 235 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 4: he's going to receive. He's he's been pretty good as 236 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 4: from a DRS range, and he's going to be a 237 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 4: plus player. What I would really look at more is 238 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 4: oa A because we have there's not really a really 239 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 4: good way to quantify kinematically. We talked about this before 240 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 4: data for defense, so we've seen we see a lot 241 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 4: of raw data for offense, sorry for pitching and for hitting. 242 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 4: You know, we see exit velocity, we see spin rates, 243 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 4: and that makes it really easy for us to kind 244 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 4: of say, okay, for for the senititians and data guys 245 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 4: to go and say, okay, we'll plug this in and 246 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 4: it gives us a really good number and a good 247 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 4: ability to tell how good or how well someone is performing, 248 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 4: just because it's just you can't lie with raw numbers, 249 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 4: just like how ticket you can't lie when someone caught 250 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 4: you speeding fit quickly. So I think with DRS you 251 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 4: really don't. With d RS is not something that you 252 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 4: can really tell super well. And the best way we 253 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 4: can see is OHAA, which is directional fielding, and by 254 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 4: that measure, he's also pretty good. But it's just that 255 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 4: his arm strength is not the greatest and he hasn't 256 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 4: he doesn't really let it fly from second base, and 257 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 4: that's why he's that's why he's at second So overall. 258 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 2: He's going to be fine. 259 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 4: He's going to receive a nice payday, and I would 260 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 4: I would really hope the Marlins go after him early 261 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 4: and right now rather than later, because you're going to 262 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 4: see him really perform and blossom into a superstar next year. 263 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 4: If he stays healthy and is then his price is 264 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 4: not going to be cheap. Yesterday's price will not be 265 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 4: today's price. 266 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: Then. 267 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 5: Now, I wanted to talk a little bit about just 268 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 5: why he will be an attractive player, and not even 269 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 5: with projecting forward, but let's talk about what he's done 270 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 5: so far. So when you look at Jazz, I want 271 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 5: to give you to hear the trivia question. I believe 272 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 5: I sent you guys my notes this morning. 273 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: Two. 274 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 5: He's played two hundred five games to this point in 275 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 5: his career. Can you name two of the three second 276 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 5: basemen or shortstops to hit at least thirty home runs 277 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 5: and steal thirty bases and players in his first two 278 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 5: hundred and five games. I'll give you the names, but 279 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 5: I want to see if any of you guys could guess. 280 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 4: Wait, so you said his first two hundred and twenty 281 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: five games, he's hit thirty homers. 282 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 5: No, so he's hit third, So he's hit thirty home 283 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 5: runs and he's hit or he said third, I believe 284 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 5: he said thirty four home runs and he's stolen about 285 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 5: thirty seven bases, right exactly. But Jazz Chism first two 286 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 5: hundred five games, he's he's pretty much gone thirty thirty 287 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 5: thirty four home so he's hit thirty four home runs 288 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 5: and he's stolen thirty seven bases. 289 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: Okay, can you name three. 290 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 5: Second basement shortstop to do that in their first two 291 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 5: hundred and five games. 292 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: Trevor Story is definitely one of them. 293 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 5: No, is not, So it's not wow huh, Yeah, Tatisa 294 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,479 Speaker 5: is one. 295 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 4: Junior will do it next year, but obviously he's not 296 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 4: there yet. Probably what junior will be. 297 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 5: He would need to hit about ten very early. But so, okay, 298 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 5: so Danny, so the So the three guys second basement 299 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 5: shortstop in their first two hundred and five games since 300 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 5: nineteen oh one, since we have comprehensive game log data 301 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 5: to hit at least thirty home runs and steel thirty 302 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 5: bases as a second. 303 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: One of them? One of them is a rod for sure? Right? 304 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 5: Nope, No, because full season until ninety six, second basement 305 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 5: shortstop m Fernando Tatis Junior No mar Garcia, Para, al 306 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 5: Ponzo Sriano. 307 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: Oh, that's a nice list, to be honest. 308 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 5: So those are the three middle infielders to go thirty 309 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 5: thirty in their first two hundred five. 310 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: Let me ask you guys that. Let me ask you 311 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: guys this. She mention Garcia, Paris Soriano. Which of those 312 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: three most likely projects? 313 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: Ask which one? 314 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 5: Now I want you here's another trivia question. Obviously, Tatis, 315 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 5: of those four guys, if Jazz is included, has the 316 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 5: best ops of all of them, because he slugs about 317 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 5: six hundred when he's on the field. If you look 318 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 5: at those three preceding Jazz, there's literally like a love bar, 319 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 5: which is Soriano because Soriano liked Jazz, power speed, no 320 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 5: plate discipline. 321 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 322 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 5: Garcia Para high contact, but power speed, doesn't walk as 323 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 5: but doesn't walk as much. He was a he's a 324 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 5: babbob king. And then there's Tatis, who can kind of 325 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 5: just do everything. Yeah, yeah, I know that's getting to 326 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 5: the question that Danny's asking. The most similar player by 327 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 5: ops would be Soriano. Now do I think Jazz? I 328 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 5: think Jazz is a better defender than Soriano was the 329 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 5: second basement because as we saw Soriano end up becoming 330 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 5: a corner outfielder and not a good one, but the 331 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 5: bat is what kept him in the big leagues, and 332 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 5: he was about a thirty war player over four hundred 333 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 5: home runs. Garciapara obviously was like, you know, a deity 334 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 5: in Boston, Tattis Junior. You know, we don't have enough 335 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 5: time to really espouse on him. But with that being said, 336 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 5: regardless of what contract you give this guy with about 337 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 5: with the numbers that we're likely to throw out to you, 338 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 5: if he's any one of those three players, he will 339 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 5: be worth it. But that is very interesting company to 340 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 5: be in for the first as far as production and 341 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 5: the things that are the most sexy to baseball fans 342 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 5: stolen bases and although they've they're kind of in vogue 343 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 5: or they're not in vogue, given what analytics say about 344 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 5: making outs on the bases and power, and he's got 345 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 5: both of those things. Though I think he's very sloppy 346 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 5: as a base runner. I think he could be better. 347 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 5: It's better with his decision making. But yeah, any of 348 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 5: those three that he could turn into, and I don't 349 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 5: think he'll ever be a Tatist type. I don't think 350 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 5: he has the plate discipline or nor do I think 351 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 5: he'll grow into that much plate discipline to be that 352 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 5: type of hitter. But if he's a garcia Paro type 353 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 5: or Soriano type, or even an Azzi Albi's type, who 354 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 5: threw his first two hundred and five games a very 355 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 5: similar slash slide to Jazz Chisholm two hundred and five 356 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 5: games for Jazz, he slashed two forty three, three h 357 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 5: five four forty nine. Azzi Albi's two seventy three, three 358 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 5: twenty three, four fifty eight. Again better babbit, So he's 359 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 5: gonna get more. Bit is thatting average to be higher, 360 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 5: walk just a little bit more, and the slug is 361 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 5: they're just about neck and neck with Jazz having an 362 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 5: edge and stolen basis in power. But he's a twenty 363 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 5: twenty guy. So that's going to lead me to the 364 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 5: question of the contract. Albi's. As we know, and if 365 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 5: you follow baseball, especially in the analyast, you know that 366 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 5: when he signed that seven year, thirty five million dollars deal, 367 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 5: given the skill set, it was a steal by Atlanta 368 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 5: and we've seen them continue to do that with Lexekunya 369 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 5: Schreider Harris. I mean, you know Austin Riley maybe the 370 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 5: lone exception, given you know his contract, it was over 371 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 5: two hundred million dollars in guaranteed value. And then you 372 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 5: have the Odor contract which Adam touched on, which is 373 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 5: six years four to nine and a half million. Can 374 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 5: tell Marte's deal six years and I believe seventy five 375 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 5: point two million could be wrong. Jazz and my estimation 376 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 5: right now, if you were to avoid arbitration with him 377 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 5: at the end of next year when he's first eligible, 378 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 5: I would give him a deal of seven years and 379 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 5: eighty seven million. You would buy out I believe you 380 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 5: would buy out four years of free agency. And you 381 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 5: could incentivize that deal if he places in the MVP voting, 382 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 5: If he his top five the MVP voting, you could 383 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 5: give him theoretically five hundred thousand there if you give him, 384 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 5: you give him a million. If you win, you can 385 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 5: give him one hundred thousand if he wants gold gloves, 386 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 5: So you. 387 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: Would have his aav around twelve point five for Jazz. 388 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 5: For seventy for eighty seven million, Yes, but again incentivizing 389 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 5: it would mean that all Star appearances, All Star appearances, 390 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 5: MVP finishes Gold Glove finalists, winning Gold Glove if he 391 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 5: wins a batting title. Theoretically, I mean you could throw 392 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 5: things in the way that Poohols' contract was filled with 393 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 5: incentives a Rod's contract with the Yankees after two thousand 394 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 5: and seven. With that in mind, maybe it incentivizes in 395 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 5: to play better. You see a deal that goes instead 396 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 5: of eighty seven million, he makes between one hundred and 397 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 5: twenty and one hundred and thirty million. Am I fair 398 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 5: my estimation given the comps that I've kind of just listed, 399 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 5: or am I over selling or am I underselling? What 400 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 5: you think? What you guys think would at least be 401 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 5: a fair deal to give him, a guy who's yet 402 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 5: to hit free agency. 403 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: I think you're like, that's a pretty good AAV. 404 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 4: I would say, he's probably going to get somewhere, and 405 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 4: at least they should try to target for at least 406 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 4: six years, I would say, And I think you're also 407 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 4: in agree and with that he should get around eighty 408 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 4: to million to one hundred million. I think his best 409 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 4: comp lewis I think it's probably not best to comp 410 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 4: him to guys from the very past I think it's 411 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 4: even though the kind of output line what you mentioned 412 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 4: was the similar thing. I think we can probably have 413 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 4: metrics that can kind of better describe what a guy 414 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 4: contemporarily would be receiving at the same position. Jazz would 415 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 4: at least probably get double of what Ozzie's going to 416 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 4: get what Ozzie did get, and probably more. I think 417 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 4: thirty sixty five million, or at least I think it 418 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 4: would be seventy. In this sense, seventy million would be 419 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 4: not enough to retain his services. 420 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 2: For that long. 421 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 4: I think you would have to pay him at least 422 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 4: eighty to ninety million. I would probably it would probably 423 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 4: take at least one hundred if I were to take 424 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 4: a guess, and probably would. He would probably at least 425 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 4: agree to do seven years at that point. One other 426 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 4: contract I was looking at. Obviously it's not the same 427 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 4: exactly because it's you know, obviously the players plays a 428 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 4: different position, and he is a difference. He's a different age, 429 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 4: he's three years younger. It's Michael Harris junior, Michael Harris 430 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 4: just he just signed his deal earlier, and he has 431 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 4: a similar war output pro rated as Jazz Chisholm. I 432 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 4: like what you mentioned, Lewis about incentives. I think that's 433 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 4: something we're going to be seeing that's going to be 434 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 4: somewhat of immediated middle ground between the Albert Pooholes contracts 435 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 4: that have busted, the Ronald Lacuna Assi Albi's type very 436 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 4: team friendly deals and then players getting. 437 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: Upset at that. 438 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 4: I think the Julio Rodriguez deal that we saw is 439 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 4: going to be the help, is going to be something 440 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 4: that is going to be to be the perfect compromise 441 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 4: for players going forward. You saw that they're going to 442 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 4: pain him at least two hundred in a quarter, I think, 443 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 4: and he has the chance to make the most in 444 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 4: Major League Baseball history. Obviously that money will be eclipsed 445 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 4: over the course of the next decade, I'm sure, but 446 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 4: right now that's what the figure is. So and I 447 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 4: think Luis or sorry not Louise Reguez, Holy Rodriguez cannot 448 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 4: scoff at nearly half a billion dollars in money by 449 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 4: that point. So I do like that figure that you 450 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 4: gave for Jazz Chisholm. I do think that he is 451 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 4: going to eclipse nine figures, and it's not something that 452 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 4: is definitely out of the realm. Of possibility. I really 453 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 4: do like Jazz and I think he's definitely deserving of it. 454 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 4: And I think you've seen him on social media. He's 455 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 4: not going to sign for cheap. He's not going to 456 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 4: take something that something like maybe other guys have signed. 457 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 4: He may not even want to go to three free agency. 458 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 4: I think it's going to be in the eighty to 459 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 4: one hundred million dollar range and with a lot of 460 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 4: incentives going forward. And you definitely you can bet that 461 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 4: Kim Ang and the front office have the tires on 462 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 4: a deal like this. The front office has definitely tried 463 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 4: to sign him or at least talk to him. They 464 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 4: might not be at the money that he Jazz wants 465 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 4: at this point, or Jazz might not be willing to 466 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 4: play ball at this juncture because he might want to 467 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 4: wait until year six. 468 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: And you guys, you mentioned Jazz and maybe not wanting 469 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: to go to free agency. So let's just say maybe 470 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: he does. You know, they can come up with a 471 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: deal you want to go to free agency? What type 472 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: of deal can Jazz get in the open markets? Would 473 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: a team be willing to go over like you said, 474 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: one hundred, five hundred and twenty million dollars to get 475 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 1: Jazz or even in the open market, he's still a 476 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: player that will relatively get anywhere from eighty to under 477 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars. 478 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 4: I'm sure somebody would be willing to pay. I mean 479 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 4: obviously the Marlins. I mean like if somebody were to 480 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 4: be coming up to Jazz and calling him if he 481 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 4: were on their team, and to offer him what they 482 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 4: would want, what he would want, and be knowing to 483 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 4: negotiating that range, which I'm sure there are plenty of 484 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 4: teams who if they had team control of him, they 485 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 4: would be willing to do that. It may not be 486 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 4: the Marlins, and I think they would try to come 487 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 4: to some sort of deal, and that deal I think 488 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 4: absolutely could break into nine figures. And I think there 489 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 4: are the teams that would be willing to negotiate in 490 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 4: that range. Absolutely. I think you know Lewis gave his range. 491 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 4: I guess mine. We looked at that Michael Harris deal, 492 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 4: even though he's three years only going to play centerfield, 493 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 4: has had similar output. That's what I'm looking at. Michael 494 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 4: Harris Junior signed for eight years, seventy two million dollars. 495 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 4: That's probably a figure that you that you could see 496 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 4: Jazz receive down the road. I do think that Michael 497 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 4: Harris is somewhat of an overrated bat. He's not, he's 498 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 4: I think he's a worst hitter actually than Jazz, just 499 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 4: only probably profiles us just because he's much more aggressive. 500 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 4: I do worry about that, and I think his his 501 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 4: output this year, as his offensive output, was somewhat of 502 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 4: an anomaly. I don't believe that Michael Harris Junior will 503 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 4: be as good of an offensive player. I think at 504 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 4: least going to be a fantastic defensive player. I just 505 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,959 Speaker 4: don't buy his offense, and that could be wrong. Like 506 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 4: I was about him this year, I didn't think he 507 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 4: was going to be this good, but I don't project 508 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 4: him to be good for this long. So that's why 509 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 4: I think Jazz will receive more than seventy two. I 510 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 4: think he'll receive at least eighty, potentially more. And given 511 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 4: the fact that Jazz is already a year or two 512 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 4: into his arbitration years, Harris signed very very early. I 513 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 4: could definitely see Jazz receiving one hundred million. And if 514 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 4: he were in an open market where he would be 515 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 4: or at least not, it wouldn't be an open market situation. 516 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 4: But if he were on another team and they had 517 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 4: control of him, they would absolutely be willing to negotiate 518 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 4: in the nine figure range over the course of seven 519 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 4: maybe eight years. Absolutely, And if I were front office 520 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 4: that had that kind of money, I would open the 521 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 4: checkbook and negotiating that range if he wanted it, which 522 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if that's the number he wants. 523 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 4: The baseline one hundred million, and I think the number 524 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 4: is only going to go out from there. I don't 525 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 4: think he signs for anything less than that, unless it's 526 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 4: you know, maybe five or six years. 527 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, Now, Danny, I'll answer your question with regard to 528 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 5: what he would get maybe in free agency, I think 529 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 5: you just, I mean, you need to step back and 530 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 5: maybe look at the factors that would present themselves. Should 531 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 5: he get the free agency and the Marlins don't come 532 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 5: to a deal with him before the end of the 533 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 5: twenty twenty six season when he would hit free agency, 534 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 5: we can expect that his next year, he's he's not 535 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,439 Speaker 5: going to be arbitration eligible until next season started of 536 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, so he's he he will get to 537 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 5: pay raise there, although I don't know exactly how much 538 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 5: you're probably looking at, say, maybe I think he could 539 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 5: realistically fetch about ten million for a first year our guy, 540 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 5: even depending on the season he has. But at that 541 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 5: point it's like, would you would probably just be better 542 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 5: off signing an extension to give yourself that security you 543 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 5: now you could just kind of you know, they say 544 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 5: that the old adage is like, now you have your money, 545 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 5: you can just kind of go out there and play. 546 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 5: You don't have a lot to worry about. The thing 547 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 5: that I think could work in Jazz's favor two, I 548 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 5: guess give him a little bit more leverage in terms 549 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 5: of getting more money from the Marlins would just be 550 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 5: the feebility of the position player corps. I talked about 551 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 5: this before the show. They don't really have other guys 552 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 5: playing every day that you look at and suspect I 553 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 5: see this guy here long term. They have guys who, 554 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 5: in very small sample spurts have shown encouraging signs that 555 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 5: they could maybe be of value in the future, but 556 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 5: not enough to where you're kind of even having the 557 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 5: conversation about extending any of these guys. Nobody's having that 558 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 5: conversation about the likes of a daily Cruz have a 559 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 5: Payton verdict of you know Ajesus Sanchez, you know the 560 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 5: Marlins already have money committed to Davias er Garcia two 561 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 5: more years of so layer, and you know they're not 562 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 5: a big market team. So these are all things that 563 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 5: you need to consider. Jazz would be twenty nine at 564 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 5: the start of free agency at the start of the 565 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 5: twenty twenty seventh season. He's not that's not old. It's 566 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 5: not the Carlos Korea age. That he's going to hit 567 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 5: free agency at age twenty eight, I believe. And a 568 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 5: full and in baseball year is a year. One year 569 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 5: is almost like five where that makes a world of 570 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 5: difference with the potential money that you can get. And 571 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 5: we know that Jazz isn't the kind of player that 572 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 5: Karreya is. That being said, you can't it's very hard 573 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 5: to project the kind of deal he'd get in free agency. 574 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 5: And that's almost something like I would stray from because 575 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 5: it's like, for all we know, he could be a 576 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 5: bust and he could be a one win player at 577 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 5: worse for the next six years. And if he is, 578 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 5: and you give him ten million dollars, it's not the 579 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 5: worst contract ever. But you're also not too happy he 580 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 5: kind of gave that money out if he doesn't really 581 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 5: kind of develop and blossom into the player that everybody 582 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 5: envisions him to be because of the dynamic player that 583 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 5: he's shown he can be. So I wouldn't even want 584 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 5: to put a figure on him in free agency, you know, 585 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 5: in five or so, four so five so years now. 586 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 5: If you're talking now theoretically he's a free agent tomorrow, 587 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,719 Speaker 5: then I think the contract is the same that I 588 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 5: posed earlier. I think he would get something in the 589 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 5: range of seven years and eighty five to ninety million, 590 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 5: because I think there's still a lot more that he 591 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 5: can unlock in his skill set. 592 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 4: I yeah, So I also I kind of misunderstood the 593 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 4: question that Danny asked completely, but I think I think 594 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 4: I'm going to try to answer here. So with Haav, 595 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 4: I think Javier Bias, as we talked about before the show, 596 00:30:54,360 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 4: is probably the most similar, most recent comp you can 597 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 4: make for Jazz Chisholme, and obviously what's going to happen 598 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 4: over the next four years before Jazz hits free agency 599 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 4: is a like is a different story. 600 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 2: We don't know what's going to happen, but. 601 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 4: I think if you estimate that Jazz continues to play 602 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 4: and continues to develop into the star that we think 603 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 4: he's going to be and the way that we have 604 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 4: the way that he kind of has been developing though 605 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 4: so far, I think you can kind of expect to 606 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 4: have a Javier Bayaz type ascension over the course of 607 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 4: the first six or seven years of his career. That 608 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 4: being said, Javier Bias signed a six year, one hundred 609 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 4: and forty million dollars contract this past offseason. There will 610 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 4: be obviously inflation, and then another has been and there 611 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 4: will be inflation from one contract to the next over. 612 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: The course of four years. 613 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 4: So I do think that Jazz Chisholm, if you were 614 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 4: to wait, would receive a contract in the aav neighborhood 615 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 4: of twenty to twenty five million, just the same way 616 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 4: the Javier Bias did, but potentially more if he were 617 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 4: to be playing at the same rate right now. But 618 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 4: I think he could be better than Javier Bias, just 619 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 4: simply put, because Jazz Chissel I think is a more 620 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 4: discipplined hitter than Javier Bias. Obviously, Javier Bias is a 621 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 4: much better defensive player, but I do think that Jazz 622 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 4: is the safer offensive bet, so I do think he'll 623 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 4: get paid more. I think you could potentially see him 624 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 4: get paid as much as one hundred and seventy five 625 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 4: million if he were to get better. And this guy's 626 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 4: you know, it really will go up from there. There 627 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 4: really is no limit because he's so young. So it 628 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 4: is kind of early to tell. And Tom Will's tell 629 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 4: with Jazz just only if he can stay in the 630 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 4: field and if he can continue to curtail those strikers 631 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 4: out those strikeout numbers, he'll be a fantastic player. I 632 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 4: already think he'll be a star. And like you mentioned Lewis, 633 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 4: he's really Miami's only offensive franchise cornerstone. It's unfortunate that 634 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 4: guys like Lewis, Brentson, I'll Farrow, Diaz, Harrison, Yamamoto, the 635 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 4: list goes on on with prospects just did not pan 636 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 4: out the guys that they traded for and hoped that 637 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 4: would actually fuel to rebuild six. So Sanchez it for me. 638 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 4: I think that doesn't really give him a lot of 639 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 4: leverage in contract negotiations, but you do. But that is 640 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 4: a good point that he is one of the only pieces. 641 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 4: I think the last thing I'll say, is that the 642 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 4: way that another way you kind of go about estimating 643 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 4: it is that you can say he's got four years 644 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 4: left of arbitra, of he's got one year left of 645 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 4: pre arbitration, and then he'll start receiving He'll be able 646 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 4: to go into the courtroom with his UH, with his 647 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 4: agent and they'll be able to negotiate a better salary 648 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 4: for three more years after that, and I think there's 649 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 4: a chance he could. 650 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: Make in the range of maybe. 651 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 4: Fifty million if all goes well during the over the 652 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 4: course of that time. So that's your first three years 653 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 4: for fifty million, and then for the last three, which 654 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 4: I'm assuming he's going to sign a six year deal, 655 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 4: and it could be more so if it's if you're 656 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 4: for you, Lewis, you estimated seven, So let's say four. 657 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 4: You're trying to estimate how much value he will be 658 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 4: worth over those years. So if you, I think what 659 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 4: we can do is take hobbyer biases and hoab your 660 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 4: bias is receiving an aav of twenty three million, So 661 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 4: let's call Jazz twenty million to just to be safe, 662 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 4: it would be twenty million over the course of four years. 663 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 4: That would be eight plus you're fifty, that would be 664 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 4: one thirty. So that's like a high high bounds of 665 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 4: what its value total value is And obviously because it's 666 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 4: it's pre RB, he will be receiving less than that. 667 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 4: So for me, Jazz receiving like receiving a kind of 668 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 4: deal in the eighty to one hundred million would be 669 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 4: an absolute steal, just because he's definitely able of commanding 670 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 4: a lot more base. Only we've seen other guys receive 671 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 4: Like I mentioned the the one thirties kind of high, 672 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 4: but that's just like a high bound to what he 673 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 4: could get. 674 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 5: Eight and one thirty would be similar to the kind 675 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 5: of deal that Freddy Freeman signed with the Braves around 676 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 5: the time they locked up the likes of Tehran and 677 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 5: Kimberl in the early twenty tens. It's not the worst idea. 678 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 5: And I also think too if you say avoided arbitration 679 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 5: on an eight year deal like that next year, it 680 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 5: gives the team some financial flexibility to kind of explore 681 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 5: further upgrad augmenting the roster with names that could definitely 682 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 5: help the team score more runs. I mean, the biggest 683 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 5: concern I think with the Marlins is getting guys in 684 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 5: the lineup that see a lot of pitches and get 685 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 5: on base. They were last in the National League in 686 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 5: walks this year. I think they would have maybe been 687 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 5: a slightly better off if Jazz had stayed because of 688 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 5: the metrics that we saw. His outside zone percentage as 689 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 5: far as swinging went down a little bit. He was 690 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 5: walking slightly more, as I noted at the outset of 691 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 5: the show. But what I'll say is this the way 692 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 5: I think a jazz chism right now, and I want 693 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 5: to and I don't want to say this to mitigate, 694 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 5: or not even just mitigate to offset any of what 695 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 5: I've said previously. You guys ever go on Amazon or 696 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 5: you're going on a website, you're doing online shopping, and 697 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 5: you put something in your cart, but you're not one 698 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 5: hundred percent convinced that you want to purchase this thing 699 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 5: all the time. That is how I feel about Jazz 700 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 5: being in Miami long term. Not because I don't think 701 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 5: he's a great player, and I don't think he will 702 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 5: be a great player. I firmly believe in Hope taking 703 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 5: up the objective cap being a Florida resident, that he 704 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 5: will be. But I need to see a full season 705 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 5: where he further builds on the gradual improvements he made 706 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two, before we go ahead and anoint 707 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 5: this guy as one of the faces of the franchise, 708 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 5: though he to many he may already be. And again 709 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 5: it goes back to just the position player corps not 710 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 5: being what the organization envision at the outset of the 711 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 5: rebuilt five years ago. But give me a full season 712 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 5: of everything that this guy can do, further build on 713 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 5: what he's done, and then we can talk about extending 714 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 5: him with true blue sincerity and fully committing to him 715 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 5: long term. 716 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. 717 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 1: So, Adam Lewis, any final thoughts mentioned about Jazz, maybe 718 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: his twenty twenty two what you saw, maybe his future 719 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: before we ended off. 720 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 2: Right, I think I was somewhat high with my one thirty. 721 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 4: I think he could receive fifteen this one thing I 722 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 4: wanted to say. But you're right, Lewis, he is a 723 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 4: face of the franchise. I still think we've seen him 724 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 4: in the aggregate over the course of one hundred and 725 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 4: sixty two games, still produce quite a bit, like you, 726 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 4: still be very productive. Obviously, he was injured and he 727 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,439 Speaker 4: has been hurt for quite some time over the past 728 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 4: two years since he's been a major leaguer. But I 729 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 4: think this contract does mitigate that risk in there if 730 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 4: you were to sign him from that eighty to one 731 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 4: hundred million, and obviously like that one point thirty was 732 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 4: somewhat higher, but I do think that it's a safe range, 733 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 4: and that is a contract I would pay him now 734 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 4: that is something before, and I would try to get 735 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 4: him locked up early because you're going to We talked 736 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 4: about this with Eli and he mentioned earlier that you 737 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 4: do want to get him now, sooner rather than later, 738 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 4: because the price is going to go up majorly as 739 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 4: the season goes on as he plays well, because he 740 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 4: is a superstar caliber talent when he's healthy and when 741 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 4: he's not, when he can actually hit. When he has 742 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 4: he has shown that he has been hitting this so far, 743 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 4: so there really isn't, at least right to this point, 744 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 4: no cause for concern. 745 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 2: And I would paye Eyes as soon as possible. I 746 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 2: think that is for me. 747 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 4: That is Mimi Marlins offseason probably number one. But I 748 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 4: don't think Kimming and company see it that way, and 749 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 4: that's unfortunate because he is probably the best offensive talent 750 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,760 Speaker 4: and the team has had and the most exciting offensive 751 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 4: player the team has had since John Carlos Stanton. 752 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: All right, Lewis, do you have anything before we go? 753 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,399 Speaker 5: I'll put it this way. If he stays the eight 754 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 5: to sixty to say ops that he put together in 755 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,719 Speaker 5: twenty twenty two, say he sits around eight hundred and 756 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 5: eight fifty, then and if the defense holds again, I 757 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 5: have no problem extending him. But I would hope for 758 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 5: the competitive future chances of this franchise that that's not 759 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 5: the high bar for what we have offensively and that 760 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 5: we can maybe just like I said, that this organization 761 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 5: can get, you know, whether it's through free agency or 762 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 5: we just see growth from guys in the minors and 763 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 5: may end Streidz that guys who've already been in the 764 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 5: majors showing the big leagues that we could see somebody 765 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,240 Speaker 5: maybe match his production from an OPS standpoint, whether that's 766 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,280 Speaker 5: doing it a different one way, or doing it another 767 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,479 Speaker 5: walking more, hitting a lot of homers, or whatever. Maybe 768 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 5: you kind of just hope that you kind of get 769 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 5: more guys that can produce at near or slightly better 770 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 5: than what Jazz is doing and or at least what 771 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 5: we last saw of him and yeah, that's really all 772 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 5: I have to say about that. 773 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: All Right, that's gonna do it for episode two of Phishology. 774 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: We love tuking stats, talking everything for the twenty twenty 775 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: two Marlins everything. So remember this is gonna be a 776 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: bi weekly show. We'll be back in two weeks. We 777 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,439 Speaker 1: got to go into the lab and find out which 778 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: Marlins player we're gonna talk about next. But for myself, 779 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: for Daniel, for Lewis, for Adam, for Eli in the 780 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 1: back doing all the work, this is Phishology. 781 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 2: Thank you the most cos