Speaker 1: On today's episode of the Ticket of the Draft podcast,
Speaker 1: you can't escape the quarterback discussion. We get into that
Speaker 1: really deep, and we talked about to trade up or
Speaker 1: not to trade up, and today we're trading up. What
Speaker 1: is it going to cost to go get Caleb Williams
Speaker 1: and is it worth it? We talk about that in
Speaker 1: great detail and we talk and then we finally do it.
Speaker 1: We do the mock draft and we see who we
Speaker 1: can get with the remaining picks after we trade up.
Speaker 1: It all starts right out. Welcome on into the Ticket
Speaker 1: of the Draft podcast, presented by Seek, the official primary
Speaker 1: ticketing partner of the Washington Commanders. I'm Logan Paulson here
Speaker 1: with Fred Smooth and the famous very handsome, perfectly cloth
Speaker 1: Zachary Selby, and just a guy who is actually becoming
Speaker 1: draft guru, Jason here slowly but surely.
Speaker 2: Ever since he went to the Comby he's in. He
Speaker 2: hasn't been the same.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: I did get the bug. Fair to say, Logan Paulson,
Speaker 3: I'm randomly watching all twenty two late at night about
Speaker 3: players that we probably won't say right now.
Speaker 4: You're gonna come in here with California strength.
Speaker 1: Teacher's day to go. So I think you know here
Speaker 1: we are mock draft show, a mock draft today where
Speaker 1: we trade up to the number one spot. But before
Speaker 1: we do that, there's something I want to talk about, right,
Speaker 1: and we can't escape it. It's the quarterback discussion. Dunt
Speaker 1: dun't dum right. It's the thing that makes the draft go.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So I wanted to say
Speaker 1: some stuff and I want to get your guys takes
Speaker 1: on it. Right. So right now, the thing that I'm
Speaker 1: I'm kind of wrestling with is you look at anybody's
Speaker 1: evaluation of a quarterback. Let's take Drake May specifically. I
Speaker 1: just saw Matt Simms have him in the second round.
Speaker 2: This what that matter, Chris?
Speaker 4: It was Matt, it was me, it was me, it
Speaker 4: was met it was one of the sims either way,
Speaker 4: it was not.
Speaker 1: It was not a.
Speaker 5: Time And I'm sorry, in no way do I h
Speaker 5: a sickond round.
Speaker 1: So let's that's what I want to talk about, right,
Speaker 1: Because you there's somebody somebody you talk to you, Oh,
Speaker 1: Jayden and Daniels better than Kayleb Williams. Oh, JJ McCarthy's
Speaker 1: going to be the second quarterback taking.
Speaker 2: Oh J J.
Speaker 1: McCarthy might be the first bo Nicks is terrible. Michael
Speaker 1: Petick Junior has the best arm in the class. What
Speaker 1: when you guys watch quarterbacks? Like what are you seeing?
Speaker 1: And then how do you kind of flesh out your evaluation?
Speaker 1: Because the one thing I think that comes out of
Speaker 1: this conversation is that it's it's subjective and with quarterbacks specifically, right,
Speaker 1: everyone says like I made this analogy earlier. So with
Speaker 1: edge rushers it's easy, it's are they big? Are they fast?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right? And have they been productive in college? If those
Speaker 1: three things are checked, they're probably going to be at
Speaker 1: least a serviceable pro. With a quarterback at harder, it's
Speaker 1: like arm talent, how are they as a student, how
Speaker 1: are they as a leader?
Speaker 2: The situation?
Speaker 1: How they see the second of the field, And it
Speaker 1: becomes really really challenging to go from three boxes to
Speaker 1: probably like twelve or fifteen boxes. Well, a lot of.
Speaker 4: Coaching have been fired, yeah, last like fifty years.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about what you want to talk about.
Speaker 1: Le's be one of these quarterbacks and say like why
Speaker 1: you could see them being taken very high? And why
Speaker 1: you could see them taking very low. Let's start with
Speaker 1: Drake May because he's a guy that is getting a
Speaker 1: lot of different kind of pull at the moment.
Speaker 3: Sure, Yeahga.
Speaker 5: The one thing about Drake May, they got him high
Speaker 5: ast clouds, but low under the ground.
Speaker 2: Like they said his floor is low, but his ceiling
Speaker 2: is high. Like, I think they don't know what to
Speaker 2: say about Drake May simply because.
Speaker 5: North Carolina has been one of those schools tons of talents,
Speaker 5: they don't teach a lot of quarterback technique. Even with
Speaker 5: Sam Howe, it's always defeat with North Carolina quarterbacks. I
Speaker 5: don't think it's the offense they run. I think it's
Speaker 5: how they being coached there. When I see Drake May,
Speaker 5: I see the child of Justin Herbert, and you kind
Speaker 5: of made me start thinking this a little Jared golfinding
Speaker 5: a lot more athletic than Jerry. I'm just saying, his head,
Speaker 5: his head's face. I can win with that in the league. Yeah,
Speaker 5: It's like he makes me feel is safe in a way.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody thinks you can't win with it,
Speaker 1: but it just where is his value? And so, like
Speaker 1: I was, I went through a period, but I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: he should be the second quarterback taken, and then you
Speaker 1: see other people and you see that he should be
Speaker 1: the third or the sixth quarterback taken in some of these, right,
Speaker 1: And so I think what I'm trying to get out
Speaker 1: of here is why is there such a disparity? And
Speaker 1: so one of the things that I came to and
Speaker 1: I was talking to Jason about this and Zach, I
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on this too, is on paper,
Speaker 1: you look at what he does and he's got the
Speaker 1: highest big time throw, right, He's got the highest completion
Speaker 1: percentage over the middle of the field. He's got his
Speaker 1: adjusted to the completion percentage is awesome, right, Like all
Speaker 1: of these different metrics that make you say, when you
Speaker 1: look at those plays, these are NF this is NFL stuff.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: Well, then when you watch a game, he's got these
Speaker 1: widely inconsistent moments, which goes back to the footwork. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So how do you weigh that?
Speaker 4: Well, I think you look at you look at all
Speaker 4: the numbers. You're like, on paper, this makes total sense, right,
Speaker 4: He's hitting all the measures that you want to hit.
Speaker 4: Then you watch the film and you're like, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of things in between those big time throws and
Speaker 4: those lack of turnover worthy plays, and you're making think
Speaker 4: he's like okay, like uh we mentioned on earlier and
Speaker 4: on your pot about like talking about over evaluating quarterbacks
Speaker 4: and over evaluating players in general. I think sometimes you
Speaker 4: can get into that and nothin you know, you talk
Speaker 4: about like your original question of.
Speaker 1: How high or how low he go?
Speaker 4: I think I think you will take him high because
Speaker 4: he has more knowns than unknowns. Yeah, I think he
Speaker 4: I think you I think that a little bit. Well,
Speaker 4: I think you know you mentioned he has more of
Speaker 4: a Jared Goff for the field, right, Jared Goff does
Speaker 4: exactly what you need him to do just to direct
Speaker 4: an offense and to win games. I think he's You're
Speaker 4: not gonna see anything too flashy out of him, I
Speaker 4: don't think, but you're gonna see him and do what
Speaker 4: he needs to do to win games or not any
Speaker 4: anything gonna be anything particularly spectacular about him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's so funny because that's your perspective, and I
Speaker 1: respect your opinion. You watch a lot of film, but
Speaker 1: I'm also like I see those big time throws, like
Speaker 1: this is big time NFL stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but also compared to Jadon Daniels, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 4: this dude is a like he's a star maker. Like
Speaker 4: he's insanely he's a selling town. He can make all
Speaker 4: these improvs like decisions so to bring the ball. But
Speaker 4: like with with Drake, with Drake May, it's not it's
Speaker 4: like he does that stuff. But I wouldn't say it's
Speaker 4: like it's not gonna catch your eyes.
Speaker 5: All right, he does nothing. He doesn't he doesn't do
Speaker 5: the things that they do. Great, he's good at everything.
Speaker 5: He's more renaissance. Sure, he's a good good decisions sometimes
Speaker 5: good running ability, not great. I think he does everything
Speaker 5: good and I think that's that's the makings of a
Speaker 5: good pro.
Speaker 3: And I can't say this.
Speaker 5: I think out of all the quarterbacks JJ included, if
Speaker 5: we look at offensive roster, he probably had the worst.
Speaker 2: Officeive roster out of all of these quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: Is coming out right now. I think he did so
Speaker 5: he had more to I think, more of a hurdle
Speaker 5: to climb. And when I look at my quarterbacks and
Speaker 5: I evaluate my quarterbacks, and this is why I think
Speaker 5: evaluating quarterbacks from Alabama and Ohio State is hard. They
Speaker 5: never see adversity I want to see how he reacts
Speaker 5: in adversity. And the thing that I seen with Drake,
Speaker 5: he kept coming no matter how hard it was, how
Speaker 5: fa they was behind, he kept coming and I could
Speaker 5: win like that because it reminds me of Deck.
Speaker 2: It makes a mistake.
Speaker 5: Deck did not have five star wide receive was five
Speaker 5: star running backs, but he made them look like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's the thing I'm glad you
Speaker 1: brought up Jade and Daniels Zach is that like when
Speaker 1: you watch him, he's very gifted, right, and when you
Speaker 1: watch the film, you're like, this is incredible. But then
Speaker 1: when you look at the advanced metrics, he's got like
Speaker 1: the lowest big time throw percent It's like not a
Speaker 1: great big time throw percentage, right, It's like the throws
Speaker 1: over the middle field are basically zero, and those are
Speaker 1: things that you need to do at the NFL level. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I actually think that there's more of
Speaker 1: a dynamic playmaker in May from an arm talent, from
Speaker 1: a from a kind of a gunslinger gumption type of standpoint. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so yeah, Jane Daniels was a playmaker. But it's
Speaker 1: so funny, like when you watch the film, you're like,
Speaker 1: this dude's balling, and when you watch Drake, you're like, ah,
Speaker 1: that's a good throw. This is a little bit weird.
Speaker 4: You want your eyes to see what the paper tells, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right exactly. And I think that's the thing to me
Speaker 1: with these quarterbacks, why you get this draft because even
Speaker 1: in this conversation, like I don't think we like, we
Speaker 1: all kind of see it a little bit differently, and
Speaker 1: that is the crux of quarterbacks, because we all weigh
Speaker 1: certain things a little bit differently. Like some people. I've
Speaker 1: been reading stuff about how his footwork's non correctible thing,
Speaker 1: it's going to screw them up for the rest of
Speaker 1: his career. I don't think that, I know, and again
Speaker 1: I don't think that either, but some people do think that.
Speaker 1: And if you believe that he's a second round player
Speaker 1: to Simms's point, right, So I think that's the thing
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks. I know fans are like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: one week you're on Jane Daniels, one week you're on
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. That's the flow, that's right.
Speaker 5: Can I ask you this, if I see it this name,
Speaker 5: would you be blown away and say not even close?
Speaker 2: Future don't see any of it.
Speaker 5: If I say it, he reminds me a little bit
Speaker 5: of Anon Rodgers coming out of college.
Speaker 1: I actually had that thought today when I was I
Speaker 1: was watching some film last night and I was like,
Speaker 1: one of the big knocks and Aaron Rodgers wildly inconsistent. Ye,
Speaker 1: he's wildly inconsistent. He's throw mechanics were inconsistent, and he
Speaker 1: he was a plus athlete with a live arm that
Speaker 1: wasn't afraid to make big time throws. And people forget
Speaker 1: that he went at twenty one, thank you. And I
Speaker 1: think the thing about that is that you know, when
Speaker 1: you take a guy at two to a second overall,
Speaker 1: you expect him to be kind of ready to go.
Speaker 1: And I don't think any of these guys, maybe outside
Speaker 1: of Caleb Williams, are like ready to go. So like
Speaker 1: the reason Aaron worked is he sat for four years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he fixed his mechanics and came in and was that dude.
Speaker 1: But if Mey gets drafted two, that's not on the
Speaker 1: table for him, right if.
Speaker 2: Jan doesn't get it well.
Speaker 4: And the other one two is that you have to
Speaker 4: you have consider it, like what have you done for
Speaker 4: me lately? Thing that happens all the time, like, I mean,
Speaker 4: Drake May's film in twenty twenty two or twenty oh
Speaker 4: three not as good as it was as it was
Speaker 4: two years ago. Dan Daniels, he looks like he's like
Speaker 4: almost like he's on the way up because it was
Speaker 4: so much of a dramatic improvement. So I think this
Speaker 4: scares me.
Speaker 1: It does. But at the same time, it's like.
Speaker 2: What have you seen lately?
Speaker 4: You've seen a guy at Jane Daniel who won is
Speaker 4: in the SEC, has gone up against alban which is
Speaker 4: the closest thing you're going to see to an NFL
Speaker 4: style defense in the in college football, and he played,
Speaker 4: you know, decently, Yeah, exactly, Yeah.
Speaker 2: He played life souse against those guys.
Speaker 5: He's also a guy that got two top I mean
Speaker 5: two top twenty pick wide receivers at his disposal.
Speaker 2: And did he win the big game because I don't
Speaker 2: remember him winning the big game in the well.
Speaker 1: Also, I think this is this is this is part
Speaker 1: of the I love that we're having this conversation because,
Speaker 1: like I agree with Zach, when you watch that Alabama game,
Speaker 1: you're like, this dude is playing. Then you go back
Speaker 1: to the outwatch the All twenty two and then these balls.
Speaker 1: You know, they're not quite in the right position whatever,
Speaker 1: but he's he's two minute drive to score anytime he
Speaker 1: needed it. They're making plays for him, right, good receivers.
Speaker 1: But that defense was probably the worst in the SEC
Speaker 1: this year, Right, it was terrible. Right, so he had
Speaker 1: to score fifty points to win a game. Same thing
Speaker 1: with Caleb Williams. So I don't knock him for throwing
Speaker 1: a good football players. I don't knock him for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the ball placement's good, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's just so interesting how you can kind of
Speaker 1: pick a thread, give it a nice long pull and
Speaker 1: be like, this is the reason why this guy should
Speaker 1: or should not be the guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he took some terrible hits in that out
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: That is a factor for sure.
Speaker 4: His size is not like coming with Anthony Richards for
Speaker 4: for example, like he there's not a whole lot of
Speaker 4: film on him whenever he was drafted, but he was
Speaker 4: big enough to where you're.
Speaker 5: Like, okay, he can't take him exactly missed his rookie
Speaker 5: year because he could not take the hits.
Speaker 2: And this is why it scares.
Speaker 1: Me see even this, like comparing Anthony Richardson to Jane,
Speaker 1: and I do think there's a looseness to Jayden Daniels
Speaker 1: that helps him skate big contact, you know. But again,
Speaker 1: like it's the problem is is you don't know.
Speaker 2: We never know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so it's projecting. I heard something the
Speaker 1: other day that made me go like, oh, that's a
Speaker 1: really interesting way to look at It's like you're projecting
Speaker 1: the it's a potential game. Who has the higher ceiling?
Speaker 1: And so even in this conversation, like we can't come
Speaker 1: to a consensus on who has the higher ceiling, and
Speaker 1: so I always come back to it's like, if the
Speaker 1: guy has an infrastructure to support him, right, he's going
Speaker 1: to be a good football player. Like I'm pretty confident
Speaker 1: in saying, and you can might disagree with me that
Speaker 1: anybody drafted it to New England this year is going
Speaker 1: to struggle busy bad, Yeah, because there's nothing there to
Speaker 1: support him in a.
Speaker 2: Wide receiver, not a running back.
Speaker 5: They got to rebuild offensive line, new offensive coordinator. That
Speaker 5: is a blessing of football mediocrity right there.
Speaker 4: We Ideal football situations are so important for ricky quarterbacks
Speaker 4: because if they're putting a bad situation which I mean
Speaker 4: normally they're going to because they're being drafted by bad teams.
Speaker 4: But they're not at least like a structure there in place. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they're they're gonna struggle. I mean, look at look at
Speaker 4: Carolina for example, Bryce Young, Like there's not a whole
Speaker 4: lot on that roster that makes you excited, and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, he's nothing wondering is he? Is he
Speaker 4: potentially a bus? Is he somebody that like I'm gonna
Speaker 4: give up on.
Speaker 5: It's too close to call it, but most top five
Speaker 5: quarterbacks of bus for that simple reason of nothing.
Speaker 3: The couvet's bear. That's why I've watched.
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson go with the beck of the first round
Speaker 5: and Aaron Robbers going to the back of the first
Speaker 5: round and be parental pro rollers from the time they
Speaker 5: start playing to the end, because it's already stuff there
Speaker 5: to sick them up to succeed.
Speaker 1: And they've developed too, they've got a shot and they've developed.
Speaker 5: They developed maybe indeed, guess what all the quarterback as
Speaker 5: we're talking about and saying, yeah, I think they got
Speaker 5: doubted coming out, people didn't even want Lamar Jackson to
Speaker 5: play quarterback.
Speaker 2: They said they doubted if Aaron Rodgson was even the first.
Speaker 5: Round quarterback, right, because it's hard.
Speaker 2: To scalt the unknown.
Speaker 5: It's hard to scout off of throwing off killed to
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodbs's. It's hard to scout the fastest quarterback you've
Speaker 5: ever seen. So I think when it comes down to it,
Speaker 5: as long as you got more pros than cuns and
Speaker 5: a good.
Speaker 1: Coach, and you have to and I think it's a
Speaker 1: staff yep, you gotta believe in the kid, because if
Speaker 1: I'm invested in the kid, I'm more likely to make
Speaker 1: it go, right, because I go back to that thing
Speaker 1: were we're talking about with like the stuff on paper
Speaker 1: and the film, and if you go by that metric, right,
Speaker 1: it's JJ McCarthy's the guy. Everything throw he makes as
Speaker 1: an NFL throw, but there's still questions with him. So
Speaker 1: I think the point is like, if the system is correct,
Speaker 1: if you believe in him and you're gonna make it
Speaker 1: go and you're gonna support him, I think all these
Speaker 1: guys could be the guy, but there's no surefire thing,
Speaker 1: maybe outside of Caller Williams in this draft, right, And
Speaker 1: I think that's why we're talking about potentially the most
Speaker 1: pro ready.
Speaker 2: Right now, we had to just pick.
Speaker 4: One have another question answer to answer that first?
Speaker 3: Pro ready?
Speaker 2: Who's the most pro ready quarterback? Anybody just pro ready?
Speaker 1: You want my honest answer, I think he's JJ McCall
Speaker 1: say J McCarthy, humor Drake May May So I think so?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, what does pro ready mean? Because here's here's
Speaker 3: I'm just listening to you guys talking. Here's what I
Speaker 3: keep thinking is that we're all coming from this from
Speaker 3: different angles, and we don't know what we don't know
Speaker 3: what we're trying to accomplish to accomplish because we each
Speaker 3: have our individual different things that we see as the
Speaker 3: finish line here. Right, So when you say pro ready, I.
Speaker 2: Mean who can start day one in the league? Who's who?
Speaker 3: Like if they walk into the forty nine ers, no, no,
Speaker 3: no no?
Speaker 5: Or do they want two teams in the league? Which
Speaker 5: guy that you think will walk in in most situations?
Speaker 1: And six?
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is is that that changes based
Speaker 3: on we know we know altimate debate, right, Like, one
Speaker 3: of the best philosophical debates is nature versus nurture. So
Speaker 3: at what point do we decide that the nature of
Speaker 3: this quarterback is more important than the nurture that work.
Speaker 2: You got to do both.
Speaker 3: You gotta do it right, and we're each gonna grade
Speaker 3: it differently. And that's why we get people saying, well,
Speaker 3: Drake Mayor should fall JJ McCarthy should go up like,
Speaker 3: because we're all weighing differently and it's hard to articulate.
Speaker 2: This is why I say JJ.
Speaker 5: He played for a coach that was a pro coach
Speaker 5: before he got to college and just a pro coach now.
Speaker 5: He played in a pro offense. He played in the
Speaker 5: office where he didn't have a lot of room for Era.
Speaker 5: The other guys had a lot of room for Era
Speaker 5: and could play off kilter.
Speaker 2: He could not.
Speaker 5: He had to play on time, He had to play
Speaker 5: with the least mistakes. He had to play in the
Speaker 5: harder games. He had to play in a championship game. Like,
Speaker 5: I haven't seen Caleb in a championship, said, I haven't
Speaker 5: seen Drake May in a championship said. So when I
Speaker 5: say pro ready, he can make every throw. He has
Speaker 5: one of the strongest arms in here, I just think.
Speaker 2: A chicks out.
Speaker 1: And I think the thing that for me sticks out
Speaker 1: about pro Ready is that when I leave you look
Speaker 1: at his footwork, he's on time. You look at the concepts,
Speaker 1: their professional concepts. When you look at the throwing windows
Speaker 1: he's throwing into, it's their NFL throwing within this And
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're alluding to now. To your point, Jason,
Speaker 1: is he could he go start for all thirty two
Speaker 1: teams tomorrow. No, most go because he hasn't developed the
Speaker 1: kind of the nuance of like layering the throw right.
Speaker 1: Like if you watch the championship game, he's trying to
Speaker 1: come back, you know, out of a heavy personnel. They're
Speaker 1: all packed in it. It's the right read. The timing
Speaker 1: is great. He gets a little bit smoot because there's
Speaker 1: a pressure by the back, but he fires this thing
Speaker 1: out there and he throws an absolute laser beam and
Speaker 1: if you look at it, you're like, man, if he
Speaker 1: just puts a little bit of air on this h
Speaker 1: and throws it right to the spot, doesn't need a panic.
Speaker 1: It's a completion. And so that's something where fans would
Speaker 1: be frustrated with him. But the read, the timing, everything's there.
Speaker 1: Just the experience and the volume of throws isn't there.
Speaker 1: And again it's the and then it becomes a projection
Speaker 1: right about whether he can get there or not given
Speaker 1: more opportunity, And that's that's a perfect situation where it's
Speaker 1: like I want that guy in the building because I
Speaker 1: trust that if he were able to sit for a
Speaker 1: year in a year, he's your guy ready to go.
Speaker 4: And so when I say Drake May, it's because I
Speaker 4: think I see the way the league's going right now,
Speaker 4: and there's a whole lot of like the the unaccounted
Speaker 4: for things that you can do as a quarterback. He
Speaker 4: on the improv the other stuff, and I think one
Speaker 4: Drake May can win from the pocket. I think he
Speaker 4: can definitely do that. Yeah, And he also has some
Speaker 4: of that Jayden Dan's ability to scramble around, improv make
Speaker 4: plays on the run, do some of the other things
Speaker 4: that I think you want a lot of modern NFL
Speaker 4: quarterbacks to do. So yeah, I think I think JD.
Speaker 4: McCarthy has all that stuff. I've also seen more of
Speaker 4: Drake May than I have seen for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1: I was just saying to piggyback on that point, Like
Speaker 1: with the J with the Drake May thing is like
Speaker 1: his his big time throw profile, which is I think
Speaker 1: about one hundred throws, which is awesome. That's a huge
Speaker 1: number in college football. Our NFL throws like they're over
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, they're with anticipation, right. And
Speaker 1: then when you compare that to Jayde Daniels, who's probably
Speaker 1: out of these two a little bit farther away, it's
Speaker 1: stuff outside the numbers, it's big box fades like he's
Speaker 1: very accurate with that stuff, but the idea of him
Speaker 1: working the middle of the field is not there the
Speaker 1: same way. So I say that's that's a minus. Right,
Speaker 1: But when you look at the playmaking ability like this
Speaker 1: off schedule ability, the ability to run, you say, man,
Speaker 1: that adds value to your offense right now. Think about
Speaker 1: the value on third down, think about the value on
Speaker 1: fourth down. Think about the value in the red zone
Speaker 1: of having Jade and Danils on your team. Right, It's tremendous.
Speaker 1: So I think that's what we're saying is none of
Speaker 1: these dudes, even Caleb Williams, are like truly pro ready.
Speaker 1: There are guys that I think are closer. That's why
Speaker 1: we both said JJ. I think because the footwork's good,
Speaker 1: the mechanics are good, the talent's good.
Speaker 4: But also check this out, like would you describe Michigan's
Speaker 4: offense as one that relies more on the quarterback to
Speaker 4: elevate the entire offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course obviously. But I mean, so what
Speaker 1: I would say with him specifically is because of how
Speaker 1: the offense worked, he had high leverage moments more frequently.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense what I'm saying, Era, There's there's
Speaker 1: no Like we watched bone Nicks as an example, Like
Speaker 1: you'll watch a whole game and you're like, let's say
Speaker 1: he has forty passes, right, thirty thirty of them, twenty
Speaker 1: five of them are like quick streams laps and J. J.
Speaker 1: McCarthy just gets those fifteen and they are like, he
Speaker 1: where's this, Here's this third and eight, here's this third
Speaker 1: and ten, here's a critical fourth down, and I got
Speaker 1: a deal here, And it's like, you don't get the
Speaker 1: luxury of those easy ones. Wait, wait again, Like there's
Speaker 1: I'm not knocking bon Nicks because like that's the offense.
Speaker 2: He did it.
Speaker 1: He executed a high level right and he's got like
Speaker 1: one of the best completion percentages of all these guys
Speaker 1: we're talking about. But the high leverage moments, the high
Speaker 1: leverage throws like when you just watch, like if you
Speaker 1: just were to take out all JJ McCarthy's throws and
Speaker 1: just watch him back to back, you're like, that's an
Speaker 1: NFL reason throat, that's an NFL throw, that's an NFL progression.
Speaker 1: And the other guys it's you got to watch more stuff.
Speaker 2: You see the same throw, and they won't do that
Speaker 2: throw the same Like JJ.
Speaker 5: Listen to me, I watched him in that National Championship
Speaker 5: throw across the middle at a middle linebacker checking a
Speaker 5: tight end, you know throw. They got taught its quarterbacks
Speaker 5: to throw at the back. That's how I knew how
Speaker 5: he was coached. He's taught to throw at the back
Speaker 5: of the helmet of this linebacker. I ain't seen pros
Speaker 5: have a good touch that he put on this ball.
Speaker 5: And I said, that's the difference. The other guys are
Speaker 5: not xed, like he's not extra throw for the time,
Speaker 5: They're not asked to make that throw. And he can
Speaker 5: make that throw, and he can do it over and
Speaker 5: over and over, and that shows me a pro Can
Speaker 5: you be consistently do the same thing at the same level.
Speaker 4: One And the reason I asked that is because at
Speaker 4: some point, like I said, like this. These rosters, whoever
Speaker 4: they drew, whoever these top five teams they draft quarterback,
Speaker 4: they're going to be on bad rosters, right, So at
Speaker 4: some point they're gonna have to be asked to elevate
Speaker 4: the players around them. Yeah, I oppose that, as do
Speaker 4: you do you? At some point you're gonna have to,
Speaker 4: even if he's a rookie. So out of those three,
Speaker 4: who you think is going to elevate an offense quicker
Speaker 4: and everybody Caleb with elevated now because I'm talking more
Speaker 4: like Drake Jayden JJ, Well.
Speaker 2: That's the case.
Speaker 5: You asked me as a defensive coordinator, who gives me problems?
Speaker 5: Which one of these guys would give me problems? Strong
Speaker 5: gum kid like Drake May can make every throw and
Speaker 5: it running ability stops me from running man to man.
Speaker 5: I have to run zone because I need all of
Speaker 5: us eleven looking at him because I can't afford for
Speaker 5: him to escape on third and five and run for
Speaker 5: a first down. Similar to jaydeon dails what JJ can
Speaker 5: do the same thing, just not as aggresive as the
Speaker 5: other two.
Speaker 1: So you got to actually think he'll touch better than
Speaker 1: Drake May if they were to run a forty, I
Speaker 1: think he'd run.
Speaker 5: Face faster, but I also think Dre will be a
Speaker 5: little bit more durable, so you know, to eat and
Speaker 5: off the guy.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, how can I get this old off your
Speaker 4: off of his assignment? And I think Drake and Jayden
Speaker 4: can do that a little bit better.
Speaker 1: So what I would say to your question is how
Speaker 1: are you going to perform on third down? And how
Speaker 1: are you going to perform in the red zone? And
Speaker 1: when I look at when I look at Drake May
Speaker 1: and when I look at Jade and Daniels, the types
Speaker 1: of throws they're making, and the consistency of Drake May
Speaker 1: is not always there right in those kind of tight
Speaker 1: window third down opportunities. And so that's the other thing.
Speaker 1: Because of the formational sets they're in at Michigan, you
Speaker 1: see NFL everything, and so like JJ, and that's why
Speaker 1: it's so easy to be like, well, JJ did it.
Speaker 1: I've seen him do it over and over and but
Speaker 1: to your point, it's a projection, right, So of those
Speaker 1: other two, who adds value? And I haven't seen Jane
Speaker 1: Daniels hit rip over the middle of the field like
Speaker 1: he's going to have to do on third down. The NFL.
Speaker 1: Drake May has done it right, but he's inconsistent. So
Speaker 1: it's like that's why it comes in. It's like, if
Speaker 1: I'm putting money on a table, I'm gonna say JJ
Speaker 1: right now could come in and do it at an
Speaker 1: NFL level. But you're asking who's going to be the
Speaker 1: difference maker elevating rosters, and that that becomes a more
Speaker 1: interesting question.
Speaker 3: Fred, Yeah, give me a number. How many quarterbacks are
Speaker 3: going to go in the first round.
Speaker 2: We've had these every year, five to six, so.
Speaker 1: I'd say five, logan five, I'll say five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be around there. So why would
Speaker 3: somebody say Drake May is the second rounder? But are
Speaker 3: they talking about are they talking about like mock draft?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't take them to the second round? Are they
Speaker 3: just talking about their big board? They're just talking about Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're not putting the emphasis of quarterback in play.
Speaker 1: But I also but I also think like when you
Speaker 1: watch Drake May, if you I understand why someone would
Speaker 1: put him in the second round, the consistence he's not
Speaker 1: going to go in the second He's not going to
Speaker 1: he's but I understand if so this, let me just
Speaker 1: clarify that. So let's say, like Sims, right, he put
Speaker 1: him in the second round. It's like a developmental track.
Speaker 1: Like I totally understand why an NFL team and an
Speaker 1: NFL GM would put him in the second round. It's
Speaker 1: just the lack of consistency. That's what they've chose to
Speaker 1: focus on.
Speaker 3: Is that going to not be true for other players in.
Speaker 2: The say Zach Wilson was going to be a player,
Speaker 2: it's the same, dude.
Speaker 1: So to you, that's a good question, Jason. And what
Speaker 1: I'd say is that, like that is something that you're
Speaker 1: saying he needs. You're you're you're basically saying he needs
Speaker 1: to sit. However, you are kind of vilifying certain elements
Speaker 1: of Drake's game because we just talked about how even
Speaker 1: though we think JJ is really pro ready to go,
Speaker 1: he's not there yet. Jane Daniels, we love, I mean, playmaker,
Speaker 1: Holy cow, he's not ready. So in essence, they're all
Speaker 1: developmentally just about what you're choosing to fixate on. And
Speaker 1: I think it's funny when you talk to quarterbacks, former quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: his footwork and how he feels the pocket. Drake may
Speaker 1: not great, yeah right, but I see a courage to
Speaker 1: throw the ball over the mill, to be aggressive, to
Speaker 1: be a playmaker with the ball in your hand. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the dude at some point that elevates
Speaker 1: the team if he can get the other stuff cleaned
Speaker 1: up right, So they all have if they all have
Speaker 1: question marks. And that's why I wanted to bring that
Speaker 1: up real quick, just to talk through that.
Speaker 2: And he's the youngest at the bunch.
Speaker 5: Do not forget that at the if your team is
Speaker 5: trying to be a foot of Knicks, dick A, my
Speaker 5: quarterback is twenty one years old.
Speaker 4: I got some time to do it, and don't forget this.
Speaker 4: In a couple of months, there's really actually gonna be
Speaker 4: two drafts happening. There's the draft, then there's the quarterback draft.
Speaker 4: I mean that's that's that's the fact of matter, the
Speaker 4: ruin it. You either have a quarterback or you don't.
Speaker 4: So really, yeah, he might be maybe his second round,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't matter because he's not gonna go in
Speaker 4: the second round because a team that needs a quarterback
Speaker 4: is going to take.
Speaker 2: A chance on Drake By.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that's one hundred percent right. But I
Speaker 1: think if you if you talk to an evaluator. It's
Speaker 1: not a crazy thing to say he'll be the second
Speaker 1: quarterback taken or the sixth quarterback take. And it's just
Speaker 1: how you perceive the players. Really, what I'm trying to get,
Speaker 1: how do you perceive that individual? So that's kind of
Speaker 1: what I think was got a good talk there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the point of this podcast is to trade
Speaker 3: up the number one, which I all think we would
Speaker 3: say is Caleb Williams. So why does he wasn't involved
Speaker 3: in this conversation?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Why is he the clear number one?
Speaker 1: I think with him, there's like a I'm gonna use
Speaker 1: the word magic to his seek, right, Like he just
Speaker 1: has a like a physical skill set and a gamer
Speaker 1: mentality that is this special. And again he's a projection too,
Speaker 1: right if the if the infrastructure around him is not great,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work out. But I think like he
Speaker 1: can make every throw, he can win with his legs,
Speaker 1: he can extend plays. You know, there's issues he had
Speaker 1: thirteen fumbles last year. Back he doesn't he doesn't throw
Speaker 1: on time, but there is a just a different physical
Speaker 1: caliber to what he does on the field.
Speaker 2: They day's a thunder You remember that movie?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Cold Triple you know you didn't know what that
Speaker 5: it was with Cold Triple You just knew it was something.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Caleb has did it.
Speaker 3: He has did hike.
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Was going on? Now?
Speaker 3: I don't do that?
Speaker 2: Don't do that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, do that he has did.
Speaker 2: At the edge of your seat, I'm gonna throw across
Speaker 2: my body.
Speaker 5: I'm a talk like he has that stuff that can't
Speaker 5: be taught, and I think that's sixty two people the
Speaker 5: stuff that can't be taught, and I think him and
Speaker 5: Drake may possessed it. I think Drake has some of
Speaker 5: that too, but Caleb is oozing with it. And then
Speaker 5: coming out for Super Bowl year and coming off the
Speaker 5: last five years of watching Patrick Mahomes dominate with that
Speaker 5: same magic everybody wants, Sir Patrick Mahomes. The closest thing
Speaker 5: to Patrick Mahomes is Caleb Williams. So therefore the magic
Speaker 5: is in Well we think maybe is all of these guys.
Speaker 5: We think yeah for sure, and I mean yeah to
Speaker 5: that point. Yeah, Like I mean, you see what Patrick
Speaker 5: Mahomes does and nobody's Patrick Mahomes because those stuff he
Speaker 5: does is just insane, especially like all those god to
Speaker 5: have it plays in the super Bowl, like you could
Speaker 5: sell me he Sidley won the game.
Speaker 4: No, he sits people up exactly. I think you see
Speaker 4: a lot of that in Caleb. Maybe not all of it,
Speaker 4: but I think you think it's the it factor, it's
Speaker 4: the magic, it's the old crowd. We need to play
Speaker 4: out there and just freaking do it. And he can
Speaker 4: absolutely do that for any team.
Speaker 1: And you said this earlier, Zach, like, which of these
Speaker 1: guys can elevate? And in year one? I am not
Speaker 1: confident that Jayden or like I like Jayden a lot
Speaker 1: or Drake may or JJ bo Nicks Michael, I don't
Speaker 1: think they could elevate a team in your one. Nope,
Speaker 1: there's something that makes me think it's possible. Yeah, Kailea Williams.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why you take him as the
Speaker 1: best player in the drug.
Speaker 5: You say he's the only quarterback in the dreup to
Speaker 5: to force multiply potentially.
Speaker 1: I think I think he's the one that you feel
Speaker 1: like if I'm if I'm betting on, if I'm bett
Speaker 1: putting money on the table, Yeah, and I think there's
Speaker 1: a sixty percent chance that he's the force multiplier. But
Speaker 1: everybody else. I'm like twenty twenty, twenty ten, ten.
Speaker 4: You know, he has everything of what all the other
Speaker 4: quarterbacks sort of have and then elevates it a little
Speaker 4: bit more, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And again like it's not a surefire thing, but if
Speaker 1: I'm a gambling man, a guy that's gonna come in
Speaker 1: do the CJ. Stroud thing and look good as a
Speaker 1: rookie right out the gate just from a physical skill set.
Speaker 1: And we're not even talking about the intangible stuff you
Speaker 1: talked about before, the leadership, the mentality, the student, the
Speaker 1: professional like the all those four other things that we
Speaker 1: have no access to. Right, how he gels with the staff, right,
Speaker 1: the situation he goes to. Just from the physical skills
Speaker 1: that you see on tape at USC, He's the guy
Speaker 1: that I would say, of the guys we've talked about,
Speaker 1: has the best opportunity as of today to elevate this group.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I'm a don't you guys know this. I used
Speaker 3: to be a jazz musician. Yeah, I was a music major,
Speaker 3: jazz studies major. And uh So the reason I bring
Speaker 3: that up is because when you listen to certain people
Speaker 3: that play jazz, right, they're all good, They all know
Speaker 3: the fundamentals, they all know their blues progressions, they all
Speaker 3: know how to improvise. Always that one guy that you
Speaker 3: play with that you're like, holy is a good list,
Speaker 3: the Johnny Coltrane right where it's like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: That's right. I've heard this song before, but never the
Speaker 3: way you've played it, And it's something. Caleb has that
Speaker 3: part and it's like it's hard to describe and you
Speaker 3: can't teach it to people. They just kind of have it.
Speaker 2: It's autist that never went to school for it.
Speaker 3: He just he can just do it. It's a gift. Now,
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that they don't work hard, Like that's
Speaker 3: why woodshedding. You're at Charlie Parker, you go to the
Speaker 3: woodshedding backyard, just play for hours a day to get better.
Speaker 3: But he still had that guy given talent that made
Speaker 3: him the bird all right. So my point is is
Speaker 3: that Caleb is number one overall because he can step
Speaker 3: on a field. He has that ability to improvise that
Speaker 3: you can't teach, and I think he can win you
Speaker 3: games while still trying to develop.
Speaker 2: And that's what you're saying.
Speaker 3: That is something that is very very unique.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is because as I look at this list
Speaker 5: of quarterbacks we have here, and I'm asking myself in
Speaker 5: my head right now, how many of these quarterbacks on
Speaker 5: this list with if they was in this draft this year,
Speaker 5: would I take Caleb over Okay?
Speaker 3: So what I have here, the list that we have
Speaker 3: is the number one over quarterback selections that we had
Speaker 3: in the previous year. So that Bryce Young, Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Baker Me for your Jared Goff,
Speaker 3: Jenis Winston, Andrew Locke.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, So I'm drafting Caleb in the same
Speaker 5: draft over Bryce Young. That's without saying uh, and I
Speaker 5: can't say Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I mean, knowing what we know now, I still I
Speaker 1: still don't want Okay, fair enough, fair enough, but it's yeah,
Speaker 1: coming out of the evaluation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would say Joe Burrow, I am, I'm
Speaker 2: such a big Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: Guy.
Speaker 3: Ain't a quarterback named Joe.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty much Will Kyler Murray, I take Caleb over him.
Speaker 3: I think we agree with that.
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield, I love Baker, but I take Caleb over him.
Speaker 5: Jerry Goff, I take Caleb over him. James Winston now,
Speaker 5: Andrew Lucky is a whole another story, that's a whole
Speaker 5: different animal.
Speaker 2: I think I take Andrew Luck over Trevor Lowins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely the best guy of the last couple
Speaker 1: of years here.
Speaker 4: But it just shows how rare finding a guy like
Speaker 4: him is. Like all these number one overall picks me,
Speaker 4: how many of these posting friend wise guys are starters
Speaker 4: in two or even in the league.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, would you say that Caleb and Murray
Speaker 3: are pretty close? Not necessarily like there's differences obviously, but
Speaker 3: in that magic that we're talking about, because when Kyler
Speaker 3: came out, that was the thing you look at create.
Speaker 2: I think I think Caleb can see clear than than
Speaker 2: than Kyler.
Speaker 1: It seems that way.
Speaker 2: It seems that way.
Speaker 3: It seems like he has more throws in his quiver too,
Speaker 3: more and more as it's like.
Speaker 5: He sees the feeling little bit more comfortable, Like sometime
Speaker 5: I see Kyler looking for windows, where I never see
Speaker 5: Caleb like distressed like that because he had just side
Speaker 5: in between the live and if you had to, like
Speaker 5: he got an answer for every situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely think there's more diversity to how he
Speaker 1: throws the football, which is one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: you're so high on him, right. I think he's got
Speaker 1: that playmaking ability with his legs. I think Kyler's probably
Speaker 1: a little bit faster, but I think it's he's just
Speaker 1: a he's got a playmaking the Jazz analogy I like
Speaker 1: a lot. There's something unique about the way he plays
Speaker 1: the position that gets you excited. It gets coaches excited,
Speaker 1: he gets front office people excited. And that's why we're
Speaker 1: in a conversation here with talking about it. But again,
Speaker 1: even though we're very high on Caleb, like at the combine,
Speaker 1: I had conversations with NFL scouts, Yeah, who said that
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels is that they would take Jaden Daniels over
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, even even with this
Speaker 1: guy that's very very special.
Speaker 2: They steal find of reasons whynot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's right, And it's all in
Speaker 1: the eye of the beholder. And it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't do things on schedule, he's not safe with
Speaker 1: the football, blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: That's just why this part time of the year is
Speaker 4: both furiating and fascinating at the same time.
Speaker 1: Because it's subjective. It's like you're looking at pieces of art.
Speaker 1: You might get different things out of it or reading
Speaker 1: a book. Right, it's just different things pop to you,
Speaker 1: different things resonate with you. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 1: jobs are on the line.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I think so is Caleb worth it? Do
Speaker 3: you think he's worth moving up one spot to get him?
Speaker 1: Well? How much are we giving up for him? Ah?
Speaker 2: This this always keeps.
Speaker 5: Always the key to it because I'm not giving up
Speaker 5: as much as we talked about earlier.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 3: So here's what we're gonna do before we do the
Speaker 3: draft where we are gonna move up to pick them.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about what is the price that you would pay,
Speaker 3: Fred smiart, Yes, to get Caleb Williams to move up
Speaker 3: one spot. We're not moving up to the number one pick.
Speaker 3: We got to get that notion out of our head.
Speaker 3: We are moving up to get Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying, But in theory, I'm moving
Speaker 2: up one spot.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 5: I gotta give you, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta
Speaker 5: keep myself from overpaying, like.
Speaker 1: You know what, But I think that's what Jason's saying
Speaker 1: for fans at home, when you hear the price tag,
Speaker 1: you're putting the price tag on the player. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: just we just and we just made the price tag.
Speaker 1: Oh Patrick Mahomes, Oh magical playmaker. Oh all these things.
Speaker 1: So that's what you're paying for. It doesn't matter how
Speaker 1: far you're moving for it. It's like they know you
Speaker 1: want what we have, and what are you willing to pay?
Speaker 2: Teams great billionaire once told me throw.
Speaker 1: That money out the window.
Speaker 5: No, all his best investments he overpaid for them. He
Speaker 5: overpaid for them. It just he had to pay a price.
Speaker 5: He paid it, and they.
Speaker 1: Very unbillionaire thing.
Speaker 3: Who is this billionaire?
Speaker 1: Is he a billionaire? Still?
Speaker 2: Listen?
Speaker 5: The one I know is a billionaire still. And this
Speaker 5: is something that Jerry repeats all the time. Most of
Speaker 5: my greatest investments, including the Cowboys, I overpaid for it.
Speaker 5: At the time I felt like I did, and now
Speaker 5: it's not. I would most definitely. Of course they're gonna
Speaker 5: take our number two for their number one. Of course
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give him my second round which one the
Speaker 5: first pick in the second round to thirty six. I
Speaker 5: will give them the first third round pick sixty seven.
Speaker 5: So now I gave you two extra picks. And because
Speaker 5: y'all didn't raised the stakes so much and we can't put.
Speaker 1: On some time out before you keep going? Is that
Speaker 1: what you would have been initially offered?
Speaker 2: Just that, No, I got some more I'm going to
Speaker 2: offer you.
Speaker 5: Basically, I'm off you an extra second round peak, an
Speaker 5: extra third round peak, and I give you my first
Speaker 5: next year.
Speaker 1: I think that might be close. I think you probably
Speaker 1: need another pick in there, though.
Speaker 3: You need Yeah, I think just yeah.
Speaker 2: It's because because i'm giving you because the second.
Speaker 3: I'm giving you is really a first round. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: it's right.
Speaker 1: We support you, but I'm saying if you're going to
Speaker 1: move up, you're moving up for Patrick Mahomes. They ain't
Speaker 1: gonna cut it, bud first round.
Speaker 2: So I'm giving you a one, a two, and a three.
Speaker 1: And this year's drap which is very valuable that it's
Speaker 1: this year and one one, next year's one, and I
Speaker 1: probably need another two.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, high rate robbery.
Speaker 4: Well, so here here's the thing. It might be highway robberty,
Speaker 4: but here's the thing. You're only your only movie at
Speaker 4: one spot. But say, take someone of that sixthre like, hey,
Speaker 4: we can give you the next four years and for
Speaker 4: a picks for us, Like that's the long term success
Speaker 4: that you're like, hey, that's that's a big If I'm
Speaker 4: going to give up a franchise guy I think is
Speaker 4: the dude for the next ten years.
Speaker 1: Then who knows, but it is.
Speaker 3: And you're I think, Fred, you're right if it's in
Speaker 3: a vacuum, right, like if well Washington's the only one calling,
Speaker 3: that's a good offer. But that's not gonna what that's
Speaker 3: not going to stand up to what they give you
Speaker 3: the number two pick of the dre We don't team
Speaker 3: stand that. But they can give you number one picks
Speaker 3: for the next four years.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, this is what the Broncos can give you.
Speaker 5: They can give you this year's fourteenth pick, and they
Speaker 5: can give you next year's fourteenth pick. And guess what,
Speaker 5: I don't want those. I WoT this number two pick,
Speaker 5: I WoT the first pick in the second I was.
Speaker 1: So just say that that hypothetical for four pick first
Speaker 1: round thing, right, the thing that picks also give you
Speaker 1: if you're the team receiving them. So let's say the
Speaker 1: Bears in this case. Now I can trade back up
Speaker 1: to wherever I want.
Speaker 4: Exactly yeah, because I've got all There's there's another can Williams,
Speaker 4: I actually ate even better will Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then or or like I let'ld say really, let's
Speaker 1: say Jay and Daniels or Drake May takes a little
Speaker 1: skin and I'm like, hey, what's up, New York? You
Speaker 1: wanted two first rounds, but I'm.
Speaker 2: So glad you'll put it on a pressure on me.
Speaker 2: What are you giving up? I want to know in
Speaker 2: a trade, what are you giving up?
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't give up anything because I don't want
Speaker 1: to trade up for no.
Speaker 3: But that stood the whole point of this part.
Speaker 1: So if I was going to trade up for Caleble
Speaker 1: and I think what it's like, I said, I think
Speaker 1: Fred's close. I think that first, the second, the third
Speaker 1: this year is big value because that lets me get
Speaker 1: my team better right now. This year top ninety picks,
Speaker 1: big deal, right next year's first? Love that And I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, if I'm the Bears, I'm asking for your
Speaker 1: second next year, I'm going to ask for it and
Speaker 1: you and then if you say no, and I'm got mine,
Speaker 1: eye think I think Caleb's the guy. If I think
Speaker 1: Caleb's is Patrick Mahomes and you're not gonna give me
Speaker 1: a second round pick? Take kick rock.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm hoping Caleb turns the power because he can
Speaker 5: turn to power because all he has to say.
Speaker 2: Is I don't want to be a Chicago Bear.
Speaker 3: Now he's taking away the powers he's taking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I but I think I don't think so.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying if I'm Chicago, that's what it would
Speaker 1: take for me to move off the spot.
Speaker 4: I think you know, you got advice from a billionaire
Speaker 4: to overpro pay for your investments as a personal thousand eaire,
Speaker 4: be very realistic with my expectations. And what I see
Speaker 4: is is going to take at least your next three
Speaker 4: first round picks, but the.
Speaker 1: Second round and the third round pick. I think Fed's
Speaker 1: package was pretty close to though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but still I think what really is going
Speaker 4: to take. I mean, you're gonna have to get lead
Speaker 4: three first round picks, your second round pick, your third
Speaker 4: round pick, and maybe even a day to pick in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five seven picks to move Mike might but if.
Speaker 1: You Fred, if you think it's the dude.
Speaker 2: Like like this, you're right.
Speaker 1: Let's say, because let's go back to the sheet. What
Speaker 1: would have what would have taken to trade up to
Speaker 1: get Andrew Luck. And at the time, this was in
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, the second PA I remember, the conversation to
Speaker 1: trade up to twelve was three for first round picks
Speaker 1: and two players on the team. That was the conversation
Speaker 1: at the time to move up one spot because he
Speaker 1: was definitively that much better than the other guys. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't think Caleb's on that level.
Speaker 1: We just said we wouldn't if we could pick Andrew Lucker.
Speaker 1: Kaleb Williams are picking Andrew Luck. But I do think
Speaker 1: that's kind of what you're dealing with. And that was
Speaker 1: in a draft with Robert Griffrom the third and it's
Speaker 1: by the very dynamic playmakers, a very good draft. We
Speaker 1: just did the redraft of two thousand whatever that was.
Speaker 1: So I think that's something to consider here, right, is
Speaker 1: there is?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Right? That that was what the conversation was. And at
Speaker 1: the time I was like, Andrew Lock probably. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I feel that strong about Kayleb Williams, but
Speaker 1: I think they'll take something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, it's just.
Speaker 4: You're competing with thirty of the teams and the lie
Speaker 4: to them or in the top ten, trying to say, okay, well,
Speaker 4: whatever whatever Washington is going to give you, we'll give
Speaker 4: you another something else.
Speaker 2: Like they we can one up every peggage they bring
Speaker 2: with multiple sick.
Speaker 3: That's what I would call them gam of the Bears,
Speaker 3: and I would say, whatever the best offer is and
Speaker 3: another team gave you, we're gonna match it, and our
Speaker 3: match is gonna be better because we're picking higher.
Speaker 2: We're picking higher.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying we should do that. I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: if you want Killipill was a guy, you don't want
Speaker 3: to overpay, I am going to match any other team
Speaker 3: and it's going to be slightly better.
Speaker 1: You're again kidd at that point exactly.
Speaker 3: But whatever that, whatever any other team offers, I am
Speaker 3: always going to be slightly better. I'm not gonna be
Speaker 3: way better. Yeah, but I'm gonna get them and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be slave.
Speaker 5: And guess way, I think we got the advantage it.
Speaker 5: The only disadvantage we have is just throwing it out there. Yeah,
Speaker 5: ain't being able to take it back. So I think
Speaker 5: you will have to like try to itch your way
Speaker 5: close to their finish line before just jumping out there,
Speaker 5: because in the end we probably will be being against
Speaker 5: ourselves because nobody feel like.
Speaker 3: They can match us.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: The beautiful thing about this is, I'd say, what three
Speaker 4: quarters of the NFL, they're all having some sort of
Speaker 4: conversation sort of about this in some way possibly.
Speaker 1: Could we get exactly and is it worth it? Is
Speaker 1: it worth it?
Speaker 3: Really leak out that Washington will just match whatever you
Speaker 3: do and then they'll stop bidding, and that will keep
Speaker 3: the bidding.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, my god, it's only what I would
Speaker 1: do if I heard that a team, I would just
Speaker 1: give the most Outland a shop and be like, match
Speaker 1: it Washington and then.
Speaker 3: Come on Washington say no, no, I say, I know.
Speaker 3: Actually I didn't want to do that.
Speaker 5: JK.
Speaker 3: You can j K that is I will j another
Speaker 3: team would want to do? If you're another team, would
Speaker 3: you be willing to risk that that chance.
Speaker 1: That what that I got banker bankrupt the Washington Commanders
Speaker 1: for the next four years.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If I'm the Giants, I'm like, yeah, funny story, I'll
Speaker 1: match this.
Speaker 2: You would you would sign?
Speaker 3: If Adam is like, oh, JK.
Speaker 1: Now what then I'd be like, JK, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do it anymore. That's what That's what.
Speaker 5: All I'm saying is we know end up being war.
Speaker 5: The best the best group of picks win, and I
Speaker 5: think nobody can. I think we just set up different
Speaker 5: than them.
Speaker 3: We have the arsenal to do it.
Speaker 5: All right, you want to move up, Let's just say.
Speaker 5: Let's just say New England came in the door, kicked
Speaker 5: the door in.
Speaker 2: And say I declare war.
Speaker 1: Fair, patriots him.
Speaker 2: Better.
Speaker 5: Patriot is right. I declared war. We got the third pick.
Speaker 5: We can give him this year's pick. We can give
Speaker 5: them next year's picking. We'll give him a second round.
Speaker 3: That second round is right. I'm just saying similar to
Speaker 3: what I just gave. We're not saying that this is
Speaker 3: gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm getting stressed out, so stressed out. We should
Speaker 1: not do this. This is go through all this. One
Speaker 1: of us is gonna picking.
Speaker 4: One is gonna not gonna have to pick him for
Speaker 4: whatever reason.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's assume that we did win the
Speaker 3: bidding war and we moved up. All right, so we
Speaker 3: are going to do what Logan said. We're gonna you
Speaker 3: the second round pick swat, we're going to give them
Speaker 3: the thirty sixth pick, the sixty seventh pick of first
Speaker 3: in the second round next year.
Speaker 2: Fred, you think that's too much, but no, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 3: The Vikings were in abitting, were with us, and that's
Speaker 3: what we had to pay. So that's what we're going
Speaker 3: to do now. In return, in return, we're going to
Speaker 3: get the number one pick and the one hundred and
Speaker 3: first pick. We're getting a little something back this year.
Speaker 3: One hundred ninth sorry, yeah, one hundred and ninth. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, that's what we're doing. We've done it.
Speaker 5: So we got one, we got forty, and we got
Speaker 5: ninety nine in one on one and one on that.
Speaker 3: I think it's one hundred and one, two and one
Speaker 3: ten because of the yeah, the yes, the top picks go.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're close. All right, So here we go.
Speaker 3: I got the draft simulator up. We are on the clock.
Speaker 1: Are we all picking together? No, we're picking picking separately.
Speaker 3: We're picking separately. But we're also assuming that we're all
Speaker 3: picking Caleb Williams number one.
Speaker 1: Fair enough?
Speaker 5: Are we are?
Speaker 1: We double? Can? We can? We're not going to make
Speaker 1: a case for another another player number one.
Speaker 3: We're all picking Caleb number one overall. But the rest
Speaker 3: of the draft we're gonna do uh Selby and smooth
Speaker 3: versus Logan and I.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: So we're here picking at forty and J. J. McCarthy's
Speaker 1: on the board. Should we take him? I'm just kidding,
Speaker 1: you know. It's speaking of Washington history.
Speaker 3: All right, So here we go.
Speaker 1: So can everyone see this?
Speaker 3: You guys can start, I'll I'll walk you through it.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So for me, I'm thinking, all right, since we don't
Speaker 4: have thirty six anymore, kind of have to prioritize our
Speaker 4: needs a little bit more. There can't there there can't
Speaker 4: be any more luxury.
Speaker 2: I've been saying, I thought you would be talking to
Speaker 2: me that deal.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking to your audience.
Speaker 2: No, No, I was literally going through my drafts.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm talking to the audience and you by co
Speaker 4: GM here. So I still think at this point, you know,
Speaker 4: if we're going we just invested so much into getting
Speaker 4: this guy, we have to protect him.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm with you on it.
Speaker 4: We gotta go tackle, we gotta go. We gotta go
Speaker 4: tackle here.
Speaker 6: So can he take us to the tackles dude, don't
Speaker 6: draft for need Bro, all right, so get in their head,
Speaker 6: don't draft for need Bro.
Speaker 4: So so the top of list we got Kingly stay.
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna be honest with you, was watching some
Speaker 4: film on Kingsley. I'm not as much a fan of
Speaker 4: him as I was.
Speaker 2: Oh, why not give me that? I think his his.
Speaker 4: Footwork isn't great, Like he's a little lazy sometimes I think, like, what.
Speaker 1: About Patrick Poks Also he was a freaky athlete. And
Speaker 1: if you and if you so, if you say that
Speaker 1: about Kingsley Suemataiah, you have to say the same thing
Speaker 1: about Patrick Paul, and you have to say the same
Speaker 1: thing about Kirian. I'm a jj O, I'm a DJ
Speaker 1: from Yale, Like you have to say them about all
Speaker 1: those guys, because they're all all those guys right here.
Speaker 1: Maybe Dominic Puney, No, he's he's attacking from Kansas, right,
Speaker 1: But all those guys are raw prospects and that's they
Speaker 1: are physical freaks and that's why they're exciting. But like
Speaker 1: that's I'm just calling out your your standard here. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. So for me, look at those
Speaker 1: top four, I think Patrick Paul is too.
Speaker 3: Raw, too raw to raw?
Speaker 2: What about Blake Fisher?
Speaker 1: Jack doesn't like Blake Fisher, and I get why I'm
Speaker 1: in the same boat. I think he could come in
Speaker 1: and play football for you. Blake Fisher the attacking from
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Yeah, very raw player, very stiff. He's got
Speaker 1: some tightness. So but I also I like I like
Speaker 1: hearing to Mega DJ. I think, let me just I
Speaker 1: like him too from Yale attacking from the One thing
Speaker 1: I would say about this to you zac competition. I
Speaker 1: would say his level of competitions. Did you see him
Speaker 1: dominate even a little bit at this level?
Speaker 2: He was like I wanted to.
Speaker 1: And you're gonna go on the second round. I want
Speaker 1: you to be ripping through. You need to be like
Speaker 1: what was the thing with Jarry Evans? What he needs
Speaker 1: to dominate? D three combats?
Speaker 2: He's gone, I need you to really fire.
Speaker 4: So I will say in king Lee to Kingley's point, yeah,
Speaker 4: you you do, have you do? You're going get some bigger,
Speaker 4: some better competition there.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: So now that we have these offensive linemen and we're
Speaker 5: not in love with anybody, do we go best play
Speaker 5: available right here for this best player draft?
Speaker 4: If that's the case draft stopping, man, that's the case something.
Speaker 4: We got to go to edge and we'll see who
Speaker 4: we got there.
Speaker 5: Brayland Trice, Chris Bong, Chop Robinson, Chop Robinson, Robinson right there,
Speaker 5: run it up.
Speaker 2: So don't even give people.
Speaker 1: Let me just say this real quick. Then we don't yet. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's important to know PFF has not updated their mock
Speaker 1: draft simulator since the Combine. Yeah. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: put that out there so for fans, and I'm going
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be there. We haven't updated yet.
Speaker 4: No, Okay, I hear you. I hear you on Shop
Speaker 4: Great Trades chats on there.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: Because you're you can you that really turned him into
Speaker 4: a baller. Case for Darius Robinson, I know you talk
Speaker 4: about the identity identity letter trendsetter. This is that freaking dude.
Speaker 5: I love I love Darius Robinson. Everything I heard from
Speaker 5: the combine about him.
Speaker 4: I watch me Nasty.
Speaker 1: Podcast.
Speaker 2: But let me tell you this. That Chop Robinson, I
Speaker 2: think because I got to ask myself.
Speaker 4: Another player, everything.
Speaker 2: Darius were picking on Robinson right here regardless.
Speaker 5: I know what I'm saying is Darius does have a
Speaker 5: high ceiling, and I think he can't be a great
Speaker 5: player in this league. But Chop, I think it has
Speaker 5: When I evaluate him, I say, it's something about what
Speaker 5: could he be? Like, I ain't gonna do this to
Speaker 5: him because Michael Parts has come up in your head
Speaker 5: when you look at the kid, I'm sorry, when you
Speaker 5: look at him, I'm like, okay, if I got a
Speaker 5: chance to get that.
Speaker 4: No, I mean you look at Chopp and you you see,
Speaker 4: you see such a bright future.
Speaker 2: And let's agree to disagree. Let's go check, we'll.
Speaker 1: Meet the Robinsons. Yeah, we're gonna go with right.
Speaker 2: Thank you, brother.
Speaker 1: You got to pick.
Speaker 3: We can't pick Chop Robinson. Now let's draft for need.
Speaker 1: Draft for need. I want to do that.
Speaker 3: Okay. So the reasoning saying that is because we probably
Speaker 3: want an offensive lineman. Our next pick is going to
Speaker 3: be the one hundredth pick. What's going to be left
Speaker 3: there that you feel good about?
Speaker 1: Can we go to the corners and linebackers? I always
Speaker 1: see some defensive personnel five hundred.
Speaker 3: But you didn't answer my question. Are you going to
Speaker 3: be okay with leaving this draft without an offensive lineman?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Because that's hopefully in free agency. We're gonna have somebody
Speaker 1: on the roster here soon.
Speaker 4: And there are some deeper guys down there that think
Speaker 4: you can be you can have products.
Speaker 5: Because you draft somebody to stick around. Don't make them
Speaker 5: a start in no way.
Speaker 4: There's a guy I'm gonna bring up in probably the
Speaker 4: fourth round that I want us to discuss. We could
Speaker 4: discuss now, well, we're not in the fourth round yet, man.
Speaker 5: That's how you get an advantage old people by communicating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, linebackers, what did you want to see? I want
Speaker 1: to see linebackers. I don't want to see interior offensive line.
Speaker 1: So linebackers, ooh my guy, edgern Cooper here would be
Speaker 1: very interesting, not great, but I agree. So we always
Speaker 1: talk about stylistic fits for a team and a coach, right.
Speaker 1: So one of the things about Dan Quinn and what
Speaker 1: he does with the linebackers off ball linebackers. He likes
Speaker 1: to use them in pass rush situations. And when you
Speaker 1: look at edgern Cooper got thirty four inch arms, the
Speaker 1: fastest ten of the linebackers. I think it would be
Speaker 1: a nice interchangeable chess piece. Here, guy from Texas A
Speaker 1: and M again a little bit raw, a little bit developmental,
Speaker 1: but in terms of athletic measurables, in terms of instincts,
Speaker 1: in terms of physicality, in terms of flexibility for the defense,
Speaker 1: I think Dan could develop a very nice vision of
Speaker 1: how to use him as a football player. So that's
Speaker 1: something I think is pretty interesting here at this spot
Speaker 1: two half of Marshall and Marshawn Neela. Oh, I love
Speaker 1: Marshaw Nylan. It's great. Would think about taking him here,
Speaker 1: But I think based on this board and how the
Speaker 1: mock draft falls, maybe not so. Was this how safety safeties?
Speaker 1: Jayden Hicks potentially again, Jayden Nicks is a guy from
Speaker 1: Washington State, big body six y three, two hundred and
Speaker 1: ten pounds that I think brings a lot of flexibility
Speaker 1: to a defense, and much the same way Cam Crow
Speaker 1: would kind of your big buffalo Nickel. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I would think about taking Edereck Cooper. Can you
Speaker 1: get offensive line? And it's really hard for me. So
Speaker 1: these are the three guys I'm considering king Ziy SUMATAI
Speaker 1: just because I think his potential, his ceiling athletically is
Speaker 1: so high. Sure, and you know, even if you've got
Speaker 1: a guy in free agency, Like, I just think heading
Speaker 1: an athlete like that is going to be powerful roster
Speaker 1: building moving forward. I think Eddrian Cooper gives you some
Speaker 1: flexibility defensively, and I think having a safety like the
Speaker 1: kid from Washington State would be interesting too. It just
Speaker 1: depends on what my what my GM here thinks of
Speaker 1: the evalue.
Speaker 3: So what do you think with getting a linebacker here
Speaker 3: when we will probably fill that in free agency, plus
Speaker 3: with having me do you want that depth piece there
Speaker 3: because that feels like that's what it's going to be. Yeah,
Speaker 3: versus I think we want to try and get somebody
Speaker 3: that's going to sort well.
Speaker 1: I think I think from what I understand, they're going
Speaker 1: to run a three four structure, you need some bodies
Speaker 1: out there at the linebacker position. Again, this is still
Speaker 1: kind of sifting our way through free agency, but in
Speaker 1: terms of guys that I just love, I really like
Speaker 1: Kingsley Simitian. Again, I agree with Zach in terms of
Speaker 1: the film, but the athlete and the physicality and the
Speaker 1: rawness there, if he gets with the right coach and
Speaker 1: the right system, developmental guy like just to try to
Speaker 1: pass up on guys that move that way, and I'm
Speaker 1: that's the way I want to lean. Yeah, personally, you're
Speaker 1: the guy.
Speaker 3: Because of the free agents that we will sign on
Speaker 3: offensive line, I think they'll help insulate him in the
Speaker 3: sense of, like he can be roll, you can still
Speaker 3: they can teach.
Speaker 1: Him, yeah, and be in that line and.
Speaker 3: Learn from that.
Speaker 2: And you know this.
Speaker 1: Another situation would be like if Patrick Paul I think
Speaker 1: he'll be higher on this board. He's rated eighty sixth
Speaker 1: on this board. We talked about this before. I think
Speaker 1: after the combine he's going to be much higher. But
Speaker 1: I think either Kingsley Sima tire Patrick Paul here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be fine with.
Speaker 4: I think we had if we still had thirty six.
Speaker 4: I think Patrick Paul forty was is far more interesting.
Speaker 3: All right, so we're gonna take time. Guys, took chop, Ye.
Speaker 4: The chopper, the chopper, Get to the chopper, Get.
Speaker 2: To the chop.
Speaker 1: There's guy. Yeah, so what do we We'll pick one hundred. Gosh,
Speaker 1: pick one hundred, all right, so I have a pick.
Speaker 3: We have another pick just too later.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so we so we don't necessarily need to
Speaker 4: like go crazy for getting someone with that position we
Speaker 4: absolutely have to get right now. And but for me
Speaker 4: I'm thinking receiver. I'm thinking running back, and I'm still.
Speaker 5: Why why are you thinking running back? When we got
Speaker 5: a room full of running backs? What I could get
Speaker 5: running backs in the fiefth round, sixth round in this draft?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm thinking.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking that we have no account for free agency.
Speaker 4: So you're right, running running back is still.
Speaker 3: Come out on Friday.
Speaker 2: So could you take us today?
Speaker 3: Reported?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Reported?
Speaker 1: In that case. In that case running back, I'd like
Speaker 1: to tell you, Sam, I know you do, but he's
Speaker 1: not there.
Speaker 2: What about jahin Bail?
Speaker 1: Dude, No way you want to draft him right now?
Speaker 1: I just need to know up there.
Speaker 4: Look, I still think I think receiver is a direction.
Speaker 2: We got what receiver? Do we give us a receiver
Speaker 2: with this?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 4: Because we're reaching the end here where I think some
Speaker 4: of the time Florida State Jacob Cowing is really strong.
Speaker 1: I like Cowing. Yeah, don't draft a receiver. There's like
Speaker 1: a million good ones.
Speaker 3: Looks like Johnny Wilson's gone, I know.
Speaker 2: You do, and we had pick a hundred.
Speaker 1: I think that's reasonable. I think he probably might.
Speaker 3: Take a chance on you.
Speaker 1: We're in we're in a very serious gray area. Let's
Speaker 1: see coming back in safety, very serious gray area.
Speaker 2: DJ Jays had to.
Speaker 1: Take solid player. Yeah, I was watching the film on
Speaker 1: him earlier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we might have to take him.
Speaker 1: Uh oh so yeah.
Speaker 4: Tacky Smith another guy that I that I like.
Speaker 1: He's roll in the cornerback station. Yeah and safety and
Speaker 1: safety right just corners. Safety's okay, Sony Vake DJ James.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of too him between either dj ur Taychi
Speaker 4: Artiki takey.
Speaker 1: One of those let me get the pronunciation guys.
Speaker 2: I will go.
Speaker 5: Because I would feel like this free agency safety choices
Speaker 5: are just so plentiful. I could get one of those guys.
Speaker 5: I go DJ James to bring in some young conelback here.
Speaker 1: Yeah like that. Yeah, we'll go with d J James.
Speaker 1: Huh what do you like about him? Fred Man?
Speaker 5: First of all, he didn't played against all types of
Speaker 5: competition at Alburt. He's been to go to cors so
Speaker 5: he's been the corner that has I've watched him follow people,
Speaker 5: which most of these corners don't ever follow any people
Speaker 5: no more. He can pretty much do whatever I need
Speaker 5: him to do, and he ain't no small guy like
Speaker 5: I like him.
Speaker 3: I like.
Speaker 5: I think he's one of them corners. He gonna have
Speaker 5: a better pro career than he had college.
Speaker 1: Nice Google linebacker, real quick, Jason for our pick. Thank you?
Speaker 3: So I like that upset you're moving off Faky right now.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna draft him as a running back or what.
Speaker 3: I think we draft him as a safety, and then
Speaker 3: he learns a little bit from Eckler and we got
Speaker 3: our running back.
Speaker 1: Of the future. Yeah, he's got some good running back tape.
Speaker 3: Did you guys have you seen Faki's running back tape?
Speaker 2: He played running back early in his career this year.
Speaker 3: By necessity, he had to play running back at Utah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's dynamic.
Speaker 5: Look seriously, well you know, James McShay, I'm gonna go
Speaker 5: check him out and brought where.
Speaker 3: Am I going?
Speaker 1: Let's go linebackers there.
Speaker 3: At the combine, it was I got so happy. They
Speaker 3: ran the he ran all the drills with the safeties,
Speaker 3: and then they brought out the running back drills just
Speaker 3: for him and he ran them and it looks it
Speaker 3: looks so good.
Speaker 2: It was like, what are you doing? Well? Billichick just
Speaker 2: retired a year too early because he's a bill.
Speaker 1: Go to go to best players available, too.
Speaker 2: We got here Tomchenberg.
Speaker 3: You don't like.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can burb.
Speaker 2: You don't like I can burn.
Speaker 1: No, it's all right, so yees go down. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: kind of thin here in terms we just drafted to tackle.
Speaker 1: You know, probably still need a swing guy, still need
Speaker 1: some death pieces, need to tackle for the future even
Speaker 1: after free agency. And I do like Dominic Puny quite
Speaker 1: a bit. Really, I do as a guard, as a
Speaker 1: guard guard. Yeah, so watch him as a guard because
Speaker 1: at the C boy crushed it as a guard. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think he's a big guy six ' five,
Speaker 1: he's like three twenty and he I think it gives
Speaker 1: you some flexibility along the front, having a guy that
Speaker 1: can tackle, play inside, and unfortunately the board right now
Speaker 1: it is not This is I think one of the
Speaker 1: issues with trading out and not having a pick in
Speaker 1: the top rounds is you got Tony Vak, who we like,
Speaker 1: but he's a safety. He's a small, undersized safety. Ray
Speaker 1: Davis is good running back, but again I don't like
Speaker 1: running back value. Dominic Puty a guy that I do like.
Speaker 1: Marshall Lloyd, the running back from USC. Bolmer is a center.
Speaker 1: Don't like taking centers here in terms of value, did
Speaker 1: you James the guy that I would consider here from Auburn,
Speaker 1: Dwayne Carter from Duke, but Mike, I do like Matt Young,
Speaker 1: Cleavis a lot, cam in Off an injury, last only
Speaker 1: played three games where we just drafted a tackle. So
Speaker 1: it gets a little bit thin here, I think. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing that makes me a little bit nervous.
Speaker 1: And I do think from a value standpoint, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be reaching on guys that I don't love him,
Speaker 1: And this is like, this is the issue when the
Speaker 1: board doesn't fall your way. Hopefully in free agency we've
Speaker 1: taken care of some of these holes. Yeah, we can
Speaker 1: fill them.
Speaker 5: And this is why I don't I giving up the
Speaker 5: dref capital to move up because in the.
Speaker 2: Big scheme of things, you only gonna get so many
Speaker 2: players from the dress.
Speaker 1: What are you going with here? I'm going I think,
Speaker 1: what do you think, Dominic Punya?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Peeny. I like that they took a
Speaker 3: corner for their secondary, but you were picking just two later,
Speaker 3: and there are a couple of good corners here. So
Speaker 3: I think going with this piece right here as kind
Speaker 3: of a bet on the future A little.
Speaker 4: Bit here, like his art doesn't make more sense for Peeni.
Speaker 4: I think he I think he looks a little out
Speaker 4: of swords Kansas attack with no I don't think so
Speaker 4: at all. Think I don't think he has the athleticism
Speaker 4: to do that. But side, I think he has the
Speaker 4: strength to do it. I think he has some better
Speaker 4: I think he can shine a lot of his traits
Speaker 4: are going to be better if he's on the inside.
Speaker 4: He's not asked to be out there and blocked deep.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, having a guy that can play tackling,
Speaker 1: a pinch, play guard, you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: you do some flexibility, you know, just can you go
Speaker 1: to the offensive line for us? Oh you can't take Donald?
Speaker 1: Get out of here. I'm not going puny.
Speaker 3: All right, So we took Puny. We're on the next pick.
Speaker 3: This is the one hundred and second.
Speaker 1: All right, there's your guys. I know.
Speaker 4: This is Christian Jones out of Texas.
Speaker 1: This guy shoot out to me the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 4: He won just about ever if going against Darius Robinson,
Speaker 4: going up against some of the best out there. Like
Speaker 4: the way he's the way he's able to change direction
Speaker 4: so impressive. Like so whenever you when you're doing what
Speaker 4: it project.
Speaker 1: Look, no, I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 4: I don't think so. So whenever you're going whenever you're
Speaker 4: going in one on one pass pro and you really
Speaker 4: when the defense had reached parallel to the quarterback, that
Speaker 4: that's what the defense have been. Is one but at
Speaker 4: its one of some of his most dangerous points because
Speaker 4: they're going to try to do change the rest, They're
Speaker 4: trying to get your feet tripped up.
Speaker 1: He does not do that.
Speaker 4: He mirrors people's ass as best as I saw in
Speaker 4: any other off of the lineman of the senior ball.
Speaker 1: I think he's so.
Speaker 3: He's four years at Texas right and very experienced, very experienced.
Speaker 3: So if you're saying he's a project or he needs
Speaker 3: to get better, X my gas.
Speaker 5: Because first of all, it's certain teams. I take their
Speaker 5: players all the time. Like you asked me, do I
Speaker 5: take a Wisconsin office alignement. Yes, I will get him
Speaker 5: and I figure out his problems later because I'm bound
Speaker 5: to that school when it comes to that position.
Speaker 2: Texas they do everything.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 3: He's huge, I know that for a fact.
Speaker 5: So if I can teach this huge man and he
Speaker 5: can already move, so really can move to So now.
Speaker 2: You're telling me, I'm just cleaning his technique up.
Speaker 4: And he keeps his head out of bulrushes, keeps it
Speaker 4: back punches or tight.
Speaker 1: You got me.
Speaker 2: So he's going Christian Jones, go on, Christian Jones, Christian Joe.
Speaker 3: He's a good player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, is have you watched Matt Young
Speaker 1: Clevis yet? I have not? Yeah? You watch him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you you have recommended him to me.
Speaker 1: He's a little bit more bendy, a little bit, i'd say,
Speaker 1: like kind of like offensive line athletic, which gives me
Speaker 1: kind of more often.
Speaker 4: Big skill athletics.
Speaker 1: That's right, there, you go, And I.
Speaker 3: Just want to look at wide receivers here.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a good group here. Jacob Cowing from Arizona.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to say that guy's.
Speaker 5: Name, Nias Smith. I like him because he can return,
Speaker 5: he can he can some different things to your game.
Speaker 5: He can run out the back for you, like think
Speaker 5: fast as Curtis in.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other one I like is Javon Baker
Speaker 1: quite a bit here. He's he's a pretty special football
Speaker 1: Player's row down a little bit, Jason, I'm sorry just
Speaker 1: to see like so one thing about this offense that
Speaker 1: I think I'd like to consider is getting a jitterbug
Speaker 1: slot guy, and Taji Washington is a guy that fits
Speaker 1: that mold, very twitched, very explosive. We have Caleb a report,
Speaker 1: but I you know, I don't want to be reaching
Speaker 1: for pictures. We go up to best player available real
Speaker 1: quick and see what we got going on here. So
Speaker 1: so let's see what we got here. There's some good
Speaker 1: football players. Go down a little bit. Jason, thank you gosh, Oh, dude,
Speaker 1: that might be your guy right there, Jason Salomon, who
Speaker 1: got Let's see Brownlee Brown?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like Brownlee a lot. I think he's like very instinctive,
Speaker 3: very very smart.
Speaker 1: Physical, got some attitude to him. Yeah, tough, transferred from
Speaker 1: Florida State. And the thing you love about him that
Speaker 1: I love about him is like there was a play
Speaker 1: of him going against Johnny Wilson and he absolutely hands
Speaker 1: on the chest, throws him to the ground. Really physical,
Speaker 1: aggressive mindset, talking about doing talking about doing some tough
Speaker 1: shit with tough people. I think he fits that.
Speaker 2: So you x ray him and it was a dog.
Speaker 3: Who be He likes to play football, right, That's the
Speaker 3: thing about you can tell this dude, loves football. He
Speaker 3: was a standout at the Senior Bowl. It was, uh,
Speaker 3: you know how they do one on one routes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl, he looks like he was running
Speaker 3: routes for receivers. He was winning those which you never see.
Speaker 1: One and one on ones. Yea, I was there.
Speaker 3: That's you haven't seen it since fred Scoop. So uh yeah,
Speaker 3: he is impressive. Not the best film. I would say,
Speaker 3: jump all these kids.
Speaker 1: Project, but but he's he clearly loves Look at the
Speaker 1: comin like if you're going to take a shot, what
Speaker 1: is this the third round? The fourth and the fourth?
Speaker 1: Like I would take a shot on this guy for
Speaker 1: one more pick left?
Speaker 3: All right? Here we go on one O nine. This
Speaker 3: is last pick in our mock draft battle.
Speaker 1: Here all right, well this is one tenure.
Speaker 3: Yes it is one ta.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I still think we should at least look at who's
Speaker 4: left the receiver here, because a baby.
Speaker 1: Ray Davis is a very solid player. Trey Benson, Oh
Speaker 1: got a little home. He's not going to go be here.
Speaker 4: Cam Hart another something like thinking heart had a pretty
Speaker 4: good senior ball.
Speaker 1: Strong corner like him.
Speaker 2: Put put it down. We got a corner, don't forget that.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. Cooper B Bay.
Speaker 4: I say, Cooper B Bay, that's a great guard up.
Speaker 2: Say we can we might as well get him, he
Speaker 2: can back up.
Speaker 4: I think it's baby. I'm gonna say, hey, maybe he
Speaker 4: stands upo.
Speaker 1: Him the most. I want first play. I watched him.
Speaker 1: It's a poll.
Speaker 4: I'm like, my god, that is one of the most
Speaker 4: beautiful polls I've ever seen in my entire life.
Speaker 1: Poetry more talking to people with the combine, A lot
Speaker 1: of people had him very, very high, freaking maller. So
Speaker 1: it's we should have looked down the list.
Speaker 3: Probably would have had a conversation about I'm old.
Speaker 4: We like if if Christian Jones, like one of my favorite,
Speaker 4: like day three, guys, Cooper Baby is right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're taking a lot offensive lineman here, guys my
Speaker 1: favorite we're trying to take out of base. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Version all right, it's on us last us.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was gonna say Christian Jones, but he's he's
Speaker 1: been taking all right, damn right to do?
Speaker 5: What do we?
Speaker 1: Who do we? Can we review who we've drafted so far?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So just us or you want to talk about
Speaker 3: just do us we'll do a recap with them. So
Speaker 3: we have Caleb, Caleb Williams, Kingsley, Sue Mataia, Great Dominic
Speaker 3: Puney we're moving in the guard and Jarvis Brownlee.
Speaker 2: I got a lot office lab.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we do. It's important, I mean, but also
Speaker 1: I think it kind of shows I think the strengths
Speaker 1: of the class, you know, like their.
Speaker 3: Office of labin in it.
Speaker 1: And so Mohammed Kamar here from Colorado State. It's a
Speaker 1: guy with a lot of past rush, Yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of past ros shoots. Can you scroll up a little bit.
Speaker 1: I saw a name on here that I thought was
Speaker 1: pretty good, obviously Cooper Bibbey, who you just drafted a
Speaker 1: little higher police. And then this guy up keep going
Speaker 1: one more, keep going. There go Cold Bishop and wh
Speaker 1: who Cold Bishop is? Anybody watched this film yet? I
Speaker 1: haven't watched this tell he dive on Cold Bishop. So
Speaker 1: he's the guy at the combine around a four to
Speaker 1: four six to two hundred and five pounds two hundred
Speaker 1: and ten pounds, plays safety and when you watch him
Speaker 1: at Utah, he's the guy that plays opposite Sony Bake
Speaker 1: and he plays in the box. He blitzes, he plays post,
Speaker 1: he plays Nickel, and so I think having a guy
Speaker 1: with that skill set super instinctent. And this is gonna
Speaker 1: sound crazy, but he reminds me a little bit of
Speaker 1: like Wattle, probably because the Utah uniform, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, he's got He's not super.
Speaker 2: Because I've been say, ain't a safety more versively like
Speaker 2: Wattle play?
Speaker 1: I think when you watch this in terms of offense defense,
Speaker 1: but in terms of in the context of the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think this guy is a little bit more versatile,
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna. I think he's a guy
Speaker 1: that projects, in my opinion onion to a starting caliber
Speaker 1: player at some point, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: so I get really excited about him. Another guy is
Speaker 1: cam Hart, the corner from Notre Dame in terms of big, physical,
Speaker 1: long corners. Probably a little bit developmental in terms of here,
Speaker 1: but if you need a guy that could potentially start,
Speaker 1: maybe that's the move. So I'd probably be I feel
Speaker 1: pretty good about either one of those guys. Honestly, Jason,
Speaker 1: you want that guy, you want the edge guy like
Speaker 1: you like Juice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like him a lot.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about we're talking about Mohamed kind of
Speaker 1: tomorrow Kamara.
Speaker 2: None of that looked at kamaraw is a good pays us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, as I looking at Dre, I think we drafted
Speaker 5: more impressive starters.
Speaker 2: Theology.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we got quality and we.
Speaker 1: Haven't picked anybody yet.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that's the way I would go, is
Speaker 3: Mohammed Kamara.
Speaker 1: That's what we're saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yes, he's got He's got the juice, right, the juice.
Speaker 2: And I think when you looking his team with Dan
Speaker 2: and what they could do, I think think that's a
Speaker 2: good player, is a totally good place. He just ain't
Speaker 2: shot Robs.
Speaker 1: No, But you know, hey, people, you know what's crazy though?
Speaker 1: Who was a more productive college player? No?
Speaker 2: He was, but he also played indeed you know the content.
Speaker 1: Hey, let me just say, let me just say you're
Speaker 1: taking chob like every time, you know, let me just
Speaker 1: say this real quick though. But I think, like when
Speaker 1: you look at edge rushers, Yeah, there's physical traits and
Speaker 1: then there's production. And I think he has physical traits.
Speaker 1: I think he around a four or five one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had like a forty inch vertical home. He was
Speaker 1: getting after it and then so not a bad athlete
Speaker 1: grade ten but very productive. I think double digit sacks
Speaker 1: last two years of Colorado State. So he's a guy
Speaker 1: that gets you pretty fired up in terms of as
Speaker 1: a rotational password guy was traits, that's and it's all
Speaker 1: about getting after the quarterback. So and for us to
Speaker 1: get a guy like that.
Speaker 4: In the fourth round, but for us, we got our
Speaker 4: offensive linemen to block him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know who you got. Chris Jones, he's
Speaker 1: died and Chris john They hate to break it to you, but.
Speaker 2: You know I can't.
Speaker 1: Kings is going to eat that up because the think
Speaker 1: about the thing about Chopping. I love Chopp, good football player,
Speaker 1: but not a lot of diversity to his past rush profile.
Speaker 1: Not you don't think I love about this. He loves
Speaker 1: is going to take him to task, But I see
Speaker 1: that's the thing I think. I think he's a good athlete,
Speaker 1: but the production is something that would make me go
Speaker 1: to the right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't know what he's a rust that's because
Speaker 3: of Penn State failed him, not because of state. Hen't understand,
Speaker 3: but it's very clear Chopp is one thing that he
Speaker 3: does very well, and he doesn't he just he doesn't
Speaker 3: move well. He's got the speed rush and that's it. Like,
Speaker 3: if he doesn't win with that, it's it's over. He's
Speaker 3: got nothing to do as a coming to the league. Really, No,
Speaker 3: I understand that you're just saying he's like Michael Parsons.
Speaker 3: Michael Parksons, I'm saying showed more no, no, no, ham
Speaker 3: and Hamburgers. But McDonald's is different than five guy. Is
Speaker 3: that what I'm saying. You could see that Michael Parsons
Speaker 3: had certain skill sets. Penn State just didn't utilize it.
Speaker 2: And this is Gay with similar markens and they don't
Speaker 2: use him, right either.
Speaker 3: No, it's not the No, No, that's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying Penn State isn't using Chop Robinson. Right,
Speaker 3: I'm saying that Chop Robinson can only do this one
Speaker 3: thing because they asked him to do other things and
Speaker 3: he can't do it, which is why it's production of
Speaker 3: what you say.
Speaker 2: He can't cover in space Chop Robinson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably he's pretty stiff. He's pretty stiff man.
Speaker 2: I was talking to Kuyper.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think he can and I don't think
Speaker 3: that he will be able to develop good enough secondary
Speaker 3: encounter Rushman to be effective. If he doesn't win right away,
Speaker 3: that's it. I just don't.
Speaker 2: You're saying he is a learner.
Speaker 3: That's what you think.
Speaker 2: Football.
Speaker 1: So I think we're all excited that if if if
Speaker 1: you were drafted here would be excited about it because
Speaker 1: I think Dan has a vision for how to develop
Speaker 1: these guys.
Speaker 3: But he is, he's he hasn't shown any of these things.
Speaker 1: He's fast, he's very He's like Ricky Bobby Man. He
Speaker 1: likes to go fast and that's how he rushes the
Speaker 1: pastor fast and when you look at like Vic Beasley,
Speaker 1: he likes to run fast too.
Speaker 2: Vic Beasley.
Speaker 1: But I don't think I like him. But you need
Speaker 1: as you know, Zach, if I know you're going to
Speaker 1: go fast, I can go fast to as a past protector.
Speaker 1: Right So I think and I expect him to develop.
Speaker 1: I think he will. I'm not saying he won't.
Speaker 3: Has got to be saying he can get with a
Speaker 3: group that can teach him and develop it. And I
Speaker 3: think he can do that. That's why I'm saying Chopp
Speaker 3: has to go to a place that is going to
Speaker 3: invest in him to teach him and get him mad.
Speaker 3: But saying he's Michael Parsons. Michaels already showed no.
Speaker 2: Billy said he was Michael Parson's like.
Speaker 5: And Michael Parson's stats didn't really blow you away his
Speaker 5: last year, Pich, they didn't, not at all.
Speaker 3: But we saw what we saw was football players. I
Speaker 3: was like, he is different.
Speaker 2: I could tell I get.
Speaker 3: Hyped about this, passionate about this because I'm a Pennin
Speaker 3: State man that I want so much more from Chop Robinson.
Speaker 3: And I don't know what Manny Diaz was doing with.
Speaker 1: Maybe now's the time. Maybe now's the time he comes here.
Speaker 3: In here, I'd be us better pros.
Speaker 2: Not all the time, but they are better pro than
Speaker 2: the Ichoic.
Speaker 5: Y'all don't get the best out of nobody in Happy Valley,
Speaker 5: Happy Belly. Unfortunately, today five or six draft picks on
Speaker 5: their team and you struggling to play with Michigan. The
Speaker 5: one thing Happy Valley don't do will it's groomed football players.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree. I think you.
Speaker 1: Post this right, man, Post the teams. Post the teams here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll post the teams. People can vote on watch
Speaker 3: team one. Uh, you guys won last time. I didn't
Speaker 3: tell you we won the first You know what, when
Speaker 3: we ain't battling each.
Speaker 1: Other, we were okay, you weren't even here for that
Speaker 1: last week, but.
Speaker 2: Good what you hailed it that.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: I had to go take cam GM right.
Speaker 4: I spoke from co Why you trust the guy he
Speaker 4: was ol scouting, he was preparing.
Speaker 1: For this, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we'll run down the list real quick, Fred
Speaker 3: and Selby. You guys got Caleb Williams. Chop Robinson. He's
Speaker 3: going to be excellent chopping it up, all right, DJ James,
Speaker 3: Christian Joe.
Speaker 1: There we go, Cooper, Babe, Babe, we got a baby DJ.
Speaker 2: And that's.
Speaker 1: Quite a bit. Yeah, the attomn Is are going crazy.
Speaker 3: Right, we got Caleb Williams. That's pretty good. Kingsley, Sue, Mattia,
Speaker 3: Dominice Peney. You will move them to guard Rvis Brownley
Speaker 3: Junior and Mohammed Kamamara.
Speaker 1: I actually like that, like that group credit bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel pretty strongly about both.
Speaker 3: These groups are pretty good. So is it is it
Speaker 3: worth it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is it worth it? It's always worths and you'll still
Speaker 3: get a draft.
Speaker 2: Forget that other players. You don't get the first one, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2: None this matters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all about Caleb. If if you say, if
Speaker 4: you come back in ten years to hey, Caleb worked out.
Speaker 1: But I also wonder like this is like kind of
Speaker 1: me just playing Devil's advocate if you were to there's
Speaker 1: how many people are missing from this list that we
Speaker 1: would have had probably two people missing. There's two people
Speaker 1: missing from next year, probably three that are going to
Speaker 1: be This is it.
Speaker 3: This is a team basically moving forward.
Speaker 1: So when and so with agents, when you are when
Speaker 1: you have a young player, like I look at I
Speaker 1: look at guys that have been successful recently, you know,
Speaker 1: like the the Jaalen Hurts for example, right, his ability
Speaker 1: to kind of make so many players around.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yep, c J scross so many players around. Yeah,
Speaker 5: gotta players around.
Speaker 3: That was fun.
Speaker 1: That was a very lively conversation. I enjoyed all of that.
Speaker 3: Fred. When we get closer to the draft, we're going
Speaker 3: to do a seven round nock. Is everybody good for that?
Speaker 1: I'm so ry.
Speaker 3: I have my prereating before. Yeah, I'm excited for that.
Speaker 3: We'll do that probably the week of the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think we'll just we'll just really go into that's tough. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll be way wrong. We'll be so wrong.
Speaker 2: But like all mock drafters are wrong. Yeah, all mock
Speaker 2: draft is a wrong.
Speaker 4: If any of us, either of these my drafts, get
Speaker 4: one player right, I feel like we'll all win, that's true.
Speaker 1: I mean up a volume, then do more a week,
Speaker 1: just make sure we get them all right.
Speaker 3: The opportunity. Well, the point of this exercise is not
Speaker 3: to get it right. It's to show the possibilities that
Speaker 3: are endless. Yeah, endless for us right now. So trading
Speaker 3: up to number one, that's what could happen, Probably won't
Speaker 3: straight down and.
Speaker 2: It with justin fields.
Speaker 3: You never know, we never know. Maybe we should do
Speaker 3: that next time, I never know. That was a good
Speaker 3: leg and you want to send us off, Yeah, thanks.
Speaker 1: For joining us. And that's it.
Speaker 3: H m hmmmmmmmm