WEBVTT - #1 Overall!? Mock Draft Battle from the TOP SPOT | Ticket to the Draft Podcast | Washington Commanders 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.360 On today's episode of the Ticket of the Draft podcast, 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:05.480 you can't escape the quarterback discussion. We get into that 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:08.039 really deep, and we talked about to trade up or 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:10.520 not to trade up, and today we're trading up. What 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:12.600 is it going to cost to go get Caleb Williams 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:14.520 and is it worth it? We talk about that in 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:16.959 great detail and we talk and then we finally do it. 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:18.720 We do the mock draft and we see who we 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:21.400 can get with the remaining picks after we trade up. 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:29.120 It all starts right out. Welcome on into the Ticket 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.720 of the Draft podcast, presented by Seek, the official primary 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:35.440 ticketing partner of the Washington Commanders. I'm Logan Paulson here 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:39.800 with Fred Smooth and the famous very handsome, perfectly cloth 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:44.120 Zachary Selby, and just a guy who is actually becoming 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.400 draft guru, Jason here slowly but surely. 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:50.600 Ever since he went to the Comby he's in. He 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:51.640 hasn't been the same. 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:53.080 I love it. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:56.760 I did get the bug. Fair to say, Logan Paulson, 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.280 I'm randomly watching all twenty two late at night about 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:06.040 players that we probably won't say right now. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:07.880 You're gonna come in here with California strength. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:16.000 Teacher's day to go. So I think you know here 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:19.400 we are mock draft show, a mock draft today where 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:21.600 we trade up to the number one spot. But before 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:23.840 we do that, there's something I want to talk about, right, 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.280 and we can't escape it. It's the quarterback discussion. Dunt 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.880 dun't dum right. It's the thing that makes the draft go. 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.480 You know what I'm saying. So I wanted to say 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:34.119 some stuff and I want to get your guys takes 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.360 on it. Right. So right now, the thing that I'm 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.640 I'm kind of wrestling with is you look at anybody's 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.479 evaluation of a quarterback. Let's take Drake May specifically. I 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.720 just saw Matt Simms have him in the second round. 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:48.960 This what that matter, Chris? 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.240 It was Matt, it was me, it was me, it 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.640 was met it was one of the sims either way, 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:55.120 it was not. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:55.960 It was not a. 0:01:56.000 --> 0:02:00.240 Time And I'm sorry, in no way do I h 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:01.040 a sickond round. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:02.760 So let's that's what I want to talk about, right, 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.760 Because you there's somebody somebody you talk to you, Oh, 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.760 Jayden and Daniels better than Kayleb Williams. Oh, JJ McCarthy's 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:08.960 going to be the second quarterback taking. 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:09.320 Oh J J. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.400 McCarthy might be the first bo Nicks is terrible. Michael 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.520 Petick Junior has the best arm in the class. What 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.079 when you guys watch quarterbacks? Like what are you seeing? 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.359 And then how do you kind of flesh out your evaluation? 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.079 Because the one thing I think that comes out of 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:27.560 this conversation is that it's it's subjective and with quarterbacks specifically, right, 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.160 everyone says like I made this analogy earlier. So with 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:34.440 edge rushers it's easy, it's are they big? Are they fast? 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:34.760 Yeah? 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.639 Right? And have they been productive in college? If those 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.480 three things are checked, they're probably going to be at 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.760 least a serviceable pro. With a quarterback at harder, it's 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.440 like arm talent, how are they as a student, how 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:46.320 are they as a leader? 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:47.920 The situation? 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:49.680 How they see the second of the field, And it 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:53.360 becomes really really challenging to go from three boxes to 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.720 probably like twelve or fifteen boxes. Well, a lot of. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.480 Coaching have been fired, yeah, last like fifty years. 0:02:58.320 --> 0:02:59.799 So let's talk about what you want to talk about. 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:01.600 Le's be one of these quarterbacks and say like why 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:03.800 you could see them being taken very high? And why 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:05.920 you could see them taking very low. Let's start with 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.320 Drake May because he's a guy that is getting a 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.400 lot of different kind of pull at the moment. 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:11.960 Sure, Yeahga. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.119 The one thing about Drake May, they got him high 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.040 ast clouds, but low under the ground. 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.919 Like they said his floor is low, but his ceiling 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.400 is high. Like, I think they don't know what to 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.520 say about Drake May simply because. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.400 North Carolina has been one of those schools tons of talents, 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.920 they don't teach a lot of quarterback technique. Even with 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.560 Sam Howe, it's always defeat with North Carolina quarterbacks. I 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.480 don't think it's the offense they run. I think it's 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.560 how they being coached there. When I see Drake May, 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:49.680 I see the child of Justin Herbert, and you kind 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.640 of made me start thinking this a little Jared golfinding 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.760 a lot more athletic than Jerry. I'm just saying, his head, 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.480 his head's face. I can win with that in the league. Yeah, 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:03.560 It's like he makes me feel is safe in a way. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.600 I don't think anybody thinks you can't win with it, 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:07.880 but it just where is his value? And so, like 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:09.600 I was, I went through a period, but I'm like, man, 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.120 he should be the second quarterback taken, and then you 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.440 see other people and you see that he should be 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.280 the third or the sixth quarterback taken in some of these, right, 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:19.480 And so I think what I'm trying to get out 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.200 of here is why is there such a disparity? And 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:22.400 so one of the things that I came to and 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.279 I was talking to Jason about this and Zach, I 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.640 want to get your thoughts on this too, is on paper, 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.560 you look at what he does and he's got the 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:31.920 highest big time throw, right, He's got the highest completion 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:33.960 percentage over the middle of the field. He's got his 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:36.320 adjusted to the completion percentage is awesome, right, Like all 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.440 of these different metrics that make you say, when you 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:43.040 look at those plays, these are NF this is NFL stuff. 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:43.560 It is. 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.880 Well, then when you watch a game, he's got these 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.040 widely inconsistent moments, which goes back to the footwork. Right, Yeah, 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:51.520 So how do you weigh that? 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:53.520 Well, I think you look at you look at all 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.680 the numbers. You're like, on paper, this makes total sense, right, 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:58.680 He's hitting all the measures that you want to hit. 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.039 Then you watch the film and you're like, there's a 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.120 lot of things in between those big time throws and 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.240 those lack of turnover worthy plays, and you're making think 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.039 he's like okay, like uh we mentioned on earlier and 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.200 on your pot about like talking about over evaluating quarterbacks 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.240 and over evaluating players in general. I think sometimes you 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.600 can get into that and nothin you know, you talk 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.239 about like your original question of. 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:19.760 How high or how low he go? 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:22.320 I think I think you will take him high because 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.560 he has more knowns than unknowns. Yeah, I think he 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:27.520 I think you I think that a little bit. Well, 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.040 I think you know you mentioned he has more of 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.279 a Jared Goff for the field, right, Jared Goff does 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.919 exactly what you need him to do just to direct 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.200 an offense and to win games. I think he's You're 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.200 not gonna see anything too flashy out of him, I 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.160 don't think, but you're gonna see him and do what 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:41.840 he needs to do to win games or not any 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:46.600 anything gonna be anything particularly spectacular about him. 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:49.880 Yeah. It's so funny because that's your perspective, and I 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:51.719 respect your opinion. You watch a lot of film, but 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.280 I'm also like I see those big time throws, like 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.560 this is big time NFL stuff. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.359 Yeah, but also compared to Jadon Daniels, You're like, Okay, 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.200 this dude is a like he's a star maker. Like 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.440 he's insanely he's a selling town. He can make all 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.359 these improvs like decisions so to bring the ball. But 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.760 like with with Drake, with Drake May, it's not it's 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.960 like he does that stuff. But I wouldn't say it's 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.400 like it's not gonna catch your eyes. 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.320 All right, he does nothing. He doesn't he doesn't do 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.120 the things that they do. Great, he's good at everything. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:26.279 He's more renaissance. Sure, he's a good good decisions sometimes 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.240 good running ability, not great. I think he does everything 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.840 good and I think that's that's the makings of a 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:33.200 good pro. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:34.440 And I can't say this. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:38.000 I think out of all the quarterbacks JJ included, if 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.279 we look at offensive roster, he probably had the worst. 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.960 Officeive roster out of all of these quarterbacks. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:45.920 Is coming out right now. I think he did so 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.359 he had more to I think, more of a hurdle 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.560 to climb. And when I look at my quarterbacks and 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.719 I evaluate my quarterbacks, and this is why I think 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:58.000 evaluating quarterbacks from Alabama and Ohio State is hard. They 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.679 never see adversity I want to see how he reacts 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.080 in adversity. And the thing that I seen with Drake, 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.640 he kept coming no matter how hard it was, how 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.840 fa they was behind, he kept coming and I could 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:12.720 win like that because it reminds me of Deck. 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:13.640 It makes a mistake. 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.080 Deck did not have five star wide receive was five 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:19.480 star running backs, but he made them look like that. 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:21.280 Yeah, And I think that's the thing I'm glad you 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.680 brought up Jade and Daniels Zach is that like when 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.760 you watch him, he's very gifted, right, and when you 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:28.680 watch the film, you're like, this is incredible. But then 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.640 when you look at the advanced metrics, he's got like 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.560 the lowest big time throw percent It's like not a 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.920 great big time throw percentage, right, It's like the throws 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:36.880 over the middle field are basically zero, and those are 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.080 things that you need to do at the NFL level. Yeah. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.320 So it's like, I actually think that there's more of 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:45.320 a dynamic playmaker in May from an arm talent, from 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:49.880 a from a kind of a gunslinger gumption type of standpoint. Yeah, 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.200 And so yeah, Jane Daniels was a playmaker. But it's 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:53.680 so funny, like when you watch the film, you're like, 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.800 this dude's balling, and when you watch Drake, you're like, ah, 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:58.520 that's a good throw. This is a little bit weird. 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.760 You want your eyes to see what the paper tells, right, yeah. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.760 Right exactly. And I think that's the thing to me 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.720 with these quarterbacks, why you get this draft because even 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.720 in this conversation, like I don't think we like, we 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:11.320 all kind of see it a little bit differently, and 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.880 that is the crux of quarterbacks, because we all weigh 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.280 certain things a little bit differently. Like some people. I've 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.720 been reading stuff about how his footwork's non correctible thing, 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:20.880 it's going to screw them up for the rest of 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.080 his career. I don't think that, I know, and again 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.160 I don't think that either, but some people do think that. 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.200 And if you believe that he's a second round player 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.400 to Simms's point, right, So I think that's the thing 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.720 about quarterbacks. I know fans are like, oh, you know, 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:34.599 one week you're on Jane Daniels, one week you're on 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.959 JJ McCarthy. That's the flow, that's right. 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.880 Can I ask you this, if I see it this name, 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.640 would you be blown away and say not even close? 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:45.400 Future don't see any of it. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:47.920 If I say it, he reminds me a little bit 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:50.040 of Anon Rodgers coming out of college. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.320 I actually had that thought today when I was I 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:53.840 was watching some film last night and I was like, 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.680 one of the big knocks and Aaron Rodgers wildly inconsistent. Ye, 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.920 he's wildly inconsistent. He's throw mechanics were inconsistent, and he 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.680 he was a plus athlete with a live arm that 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.400 wasn't afraid to make big time throws. And people forget 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.000 that he went at twenty one, thank you. And I 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.559 think the thing about that is that you know, when 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.679 you take a guy at two to a second overall, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.280 you expect him to be kind of ready to go. 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.400 And I don't think any of these guys, maybe outside 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.200 of Caleb Williams, are like ready to go. So like 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.960 the reason Aaron worked is he sat for four years. Yeah, 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.360 he fixed his mechanics and came in and was that dude. 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.360 But if Mey gets drafted two, that's not on the 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:30.360 table for him, right if. 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.719 Jan doesn't get it well. 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:33.960 And the other one two is that you have to 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.599 you have consider it, like what have you done for 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.720 me lately? Thing that happens all the time, like, I mean, 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.839 Drake May's film in twenty twenty two or twenty oh 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:41.880 three not as good as it was as it was 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.360 two years ago. Dan Daniels, he looks like he's like 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.000 almost like he's on the way up because it was 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.719 so much of a dramatic improvement. So I think this 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:49.600 scares me. 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:51.640 It does. But at the same time, it's like. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:52.640 What have you seen lately? 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.439 You've seen a guy at Jane Daniel who won is 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.640 in the SEC, has gone up against alban which is 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.160 the closest thing you're going to see to an NFL 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.680 style defense in the in college football, and he played, 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.400 you know, decently, Yeah, exactly, Yeah. 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:04.680 He played life souse against those guys. 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.520 He's also a guy that got two top I mean 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:11.319 two top twenty pick wide receivers at his disposal. 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.400 And did he win the big game because I don't 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.680 remember him winning the big game in the well. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.320 Also, I think this is this is this is part 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.720 of the I love that we're having this conversation because, 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.240 like I agree with Zach, when you watch that Alabama game, 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.160 you're like, this dude is playing. Then you go back 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.079 to the outwatch the All twenty two and then these balls. 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.240 You know, they're not quite in the right position whatever, 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.240 but he's he's two minute drive to score anytime he 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.960 needed it. They're making plays for him, right, good receivers. 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.280 But that defense was probably the worst in the SEC 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.079 this year, Right, it was terrible. Right, so he had 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.240 to score fifty points to win a game. Same thing 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.800 with Caleb Williams. So I don't knock him for throwing 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.760 a good football players. I don't knock him for that. Yeah, 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.559 because the ball placement's good, all that kind of stuff. 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:49.760 But it's just so interesting how you can kind of 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.440 pick a thread, give it a nice long pull and 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.360 be like, this is the reason why this guy should 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.200 or should not be the guy. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.360 Yeah, and he took some terrible hits in that out 0:10:59.400 --> 0:10:59.840 of them. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:01.160 That is a factor for sure. 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.160 His size is not like coming with Anthony Richards for 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.360 for example, like he there's not a whole lot of 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.280 film on him whenever he was drafted, but he was 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:09.400 big enough to where you're. 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:13.760 Like, okay, he can't take him exactly missed his rookie 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.320 year because he could not take the hits. 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:18.400 And this is why it scares. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.559 Me see even this, like comparing Anthony Richardson to Jane, 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:23.800 and I do think there's a looseness to Jayden Daniels 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.319 that helps him skate big contact, you know. But again, 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.800 like it's the problem is is you don't know. 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:30.480 We never know. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.400 Yeah, and it's so it's projecting. I heard something the 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:33.880 other day that made me go like, oh, that's a 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.040 really interesting way to look at It's like you're projecting 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.520 the it's a potential game. Who has the higher ceiling? 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:41.640 And so even in this conversation, like we can't come 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:43.960 to a consensus on who has the higher ceiling, and 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.320 so I always come back to it's like, if the 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.840 guy has an infrastructure to support him, right, he's going 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:51.560 to be a good football player. Like I'm pretty confident 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.280 in saying, and you can might disagree with me that 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.800 anybody drafted it to New England this year is going 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:59.319 to struggle busy bad, Yeah, because there's nothing there to 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:00.240 support him in a. 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.200 Wide receiver, not a running back. 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:06.199 They got to rebuild offensive line, new offensive coordinator. That 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.920 is a blessing of football mediocrity right there. 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.119 We Ideal football situations are so important for ricky quarterbacks 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.120 because if they're putting a bad situation which I mean 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.400 normally they're going to because they're being drafted by bad teams. 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.760 But they're not at least like a structure there in place. Yeah, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.040 they're they're gonna struggle. I mean, look at look at 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.679 Carolina for example, Bryce Young, Like there's not a whole 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.080 lot on that roster that makes you excited, and all 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.960 of a sudden, he's nothing wondering is he? Is he 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.560 potentially a bus? Is he somebody that like I'm gonna 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:34.040 give up on. 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.040 It's too close to call it, but most top five 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.760 quarterbacks of bus for that simple reason of nothing. 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.679 The couvet's bear. That's why I've watched. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.320 Lamar Jackson go with the beck of the first round 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:45.840 and Aaron Robbers going to the back of the first 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.280 round and be parental pro rollers from the time they 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.880 start playing to the end, because it's already stuff there 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:53.280 to sick them up to succeed. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.600 And they've developed too, they've got a shot and they've developed. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:00.120 They developed maybe indeed, guess what all the quarterback as 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.320 we're talking about and saying, yeah, I think they got 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.360 doubted coming out, people didn't even want Lamar Jackson to 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:07.199 play quarterback. 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.520 They said they doubted if Aaron Rodgson was even the first. 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.239 Round quarterback, right, because it's hard. 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:14.200 To scalt the unknown. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.400 It's hard to scout off of throwing off killed to 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.960 Aaron Rodbs's. It's hard to scout the fastest quarterback you've 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:25.040 ever seen. So I think when it comes down to it, 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.520 as long as you got more pros than cuns and 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:29.200 a good. 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.000 Coach, and you have to and I think it's a 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.600 staff yep, you gotta believe in the kid, because if 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.839 I'm invested in the kid, I'm more likely to make 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.400 it go, right, because I go back to that thing 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.199 were we're talking about with like the stuff on paper 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.480 and the film, and if you go by that metric, right, 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.880 it's JJ McCarthy's the guy. Everything throw he makes as 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.360 an NFL throw, but there's still questions with him. So 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.960 I think the point is like, if the system is correct, 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:52.679 if you believe in him and you're gonna make it 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.000 go and you're gonna support him, I think all these 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.880 guys could be the guy, but there's no surefire thing, 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.760 maybe outside of Caller Williams in this draft, right, And 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.080 I think that's why we're talking about potentially the most 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:03.760 pro ready. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:05.040 Right now, we had to just pick. 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.199 One have another question answer to answer that first? 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:08.640 Pro ready? 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.520 Who's the most pro ready quarterback? Anybody just pro ready? 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:13.640 You want my honest answer, I think he's JJ McCall 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:19.040 say J McCarthy, humor Drake May May So I think so? 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.920 Yeah, Okay, what does pro ready mean? Because here's here's 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.360 I'm just listening to you guys talking. Here's what I 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.800 keep thinking is that we're all coming from this from 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.560 different angles, and we don't know what we don't know 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.320 what we're trying to accomplish to accomplish because we each 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.640 have our individual different things that we see as the 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.800 finish line here. Right, So when you say pro ready, I. 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.440 Mean who can start day one in the league? Who's who? 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.240 Like if they walk into the forty nine ers, no, no, 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:46.600 no no? 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.520 Or do they want two teams in the league? Which 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.280 guy that you think will walk in in most situations? 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:53.080 And six? 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.480 But what I'm saying is is that that changes based 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:01.760 on we know we know altimate debate, right, Like, one 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:05.120 of the best philosophical debates is nature versus nurture. So 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.640 at what point do we decide that the nature of 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.640 this quarterback is more important than the nurture that work. 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:11.400 You got to do both. 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.560 You gotta do it right, and we're each gonna grade 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:18.240 it differently. And that's why we get people saying, well, 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.160 Drake Mayor should fall JJ McCarthy should go up like, 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.080 because we're all weighing differently and it's hard to articulate. 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:26.040 This is why I say JJ. 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.880 He played for a coach that was a pro coach 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.040 before he got to college and just a pro coach now. 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.760 He played in a pro offense. He played in the 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.800 office where he didn't have a lot of room for Era. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:37.920 The other guys had a lot of room for Era 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:39.880 and could play off kilter. 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:40.680 He could not. 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.080 He had to play on time, He had to play 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.160 with the least mistakes. He had to play in the 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.640 harder games. He had to play in a championship game. Like, 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.960 I haven't seen Caleb in a championship, said, I haven't 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.040 seen Drake May in a championship said. So when I 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.800 say pro ready, he can make every throw. He has 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.080 one of the strongest arms in here, I just think. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:00.960 A chicks out. 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:03.720 And I think the thing that for me sticks out 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.080 about pro Ready is that when I leave you look 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.800 at his footwork, he's on time. You look at the concepts, 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.120 their professional concepts. When you look at the throwing windows 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.920 he's throwing into, it's their NFL throwing within this And 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.240 I think that's what we're alluding to now. To your point, Jason, 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:19.600 is he could he go start for all thirty two 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:23.760 teams tomorrow. No, most go because he hasn't developed the 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.560 kind of the nuance of like layering the throw right. 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.240 Like if you watch the championship game, he's trying to 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.960 come back, you know, out of a heavy personnel. They're 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.680 all packed in it. It's the right read. The timing 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.360 is great. He gets a little bit smoot because there's 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.280 a pressure by the back, but he fires this thing 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.440 out there and he throws an absolute laser beam and 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:43.720 if you look at it, you're like, man, if he 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:45.600 just puts a little bit of air on this h 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.360 and throws it right to the spot, doesn't need a panic. 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.160 It's a completion. And so that's something where fans would 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:56.360 be frustrated with him. But the read, the timing, everything's there. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.200