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Speaker 1: On today's episode of the Ticket of the Draft podcast,

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Speaker 1: you can't escape the quarterback discussion. We get into that

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Speaker 1: really deep, and we talked about to trade up or

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Speaker 1: not to trade up, and today we're trading up. What

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Speaker 1: is it going to cost to go get Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: and is it worth it? We talk about that in

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Speaker 1: great detail and we talk and then we finally do it.

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Speaker 1: We do the mock draft and we see who we

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Speaker 1: can get with the remaining picks after we trade up.

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Speaker 1: It all starts right out. Welcome on into the Ticket

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Speaker 1: of the Draft podcast, presented by Seek, the official primary

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Speaker 1: ticketing partner of the Washington Commanders. I'm Logan Paulson here

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Speaker 1: with Fred Smooth and the famous very handsome, perfectly cloth

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Speaker 1: Zachary Selby, and just a guy who is actually becoming

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Speaker 1: draft guru, Jason here slowly but surely.

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Speaker 2: Ever since he went to the Comby he's in. He

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Speaker 2: hasn't been the same.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I did get the bug. Fair to say, Logan Paulson,

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Speaker 3: I'm randomly watching all twenty two late at night about

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Speaker 3: players that we probably won't say right now.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna come in here with California strength.

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Speaker 1: Teacher's day to go. So I think you know here

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Speaker 1: we are mock draft show, a mock draft today where

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Speaker 1: we trade up to the number one spot. But before

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Speaker 1: we do that, there's something I want to talk about, right,

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Speaker 1: and we can't escape it. It's the quarterback discussion. Dunt

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Speaker 1: dun't dum right. It's the thing that makes the draft go.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So I wanted to say

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Speaker 1: some stuff and I want to get your guys takes

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Speaker 1: on it. Right. So right now, the thing that I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of wrestling with is you look at anybody's

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Speaker 1: evaluation of a quarterback. Let's take Drake May specifically. I

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Speaker 1: just saw Matt Simms have him in the second round.

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Speaker 2: This what that matter, Chris?

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Speaker 4: It was Matt, it was me, it was me, it

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Speaker 4: was met it was one of the sims either way,

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Speaker 4: it was not.

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Speaker 1: It was not a.

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Speaker 5: Time And I'm sorry, in no way do I h

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Speaker 1: So let's that's what I want to talk about, right,

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Speaker 1: Because you there's somebody somebody you talk to you, Oh,

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Speaker 1: Jayden and Daniels better than Kayleb Williams. Oh, JJ McCarthy's

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Speaker 1: going to be the second quarterback taking.

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Speaker 2: Oh J J.

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Speaker 1: McCarthy might be the first bo Nicks is terrible. Michael

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Speaker 1: Petick Junior has the best arm in the class. What

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Speaker 1: when you guys watch quarterbacks? Like what are you seeing?

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Speaker 1: And then how do you kind of flesh out your evaluation?

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Speaker 1: Because the one thing I think that comes out of

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Speaker 1: this conversation is that it's it's subjective and with quarterbacks specifically, right,

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Speaker 1: everyone says like I made this analogy earlier. So with

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Speaker 1: edge rushers it's easy, it's are they big? Are they fast?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Right? And have they been productive in college? If those

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Speaker 1: like arm talent, how are they as a student, how

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Speaker 1: are they as a leader?

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Speaker 2: The situation?

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Speaker 1: How they see the second of the field, And it

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Speaker 1: becomes really really challenging to go from three boxes to

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Speaker 4: Coaching have been fired, yeah, last like fifty years.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about what you want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Le's be one of these quarterbacks and say like why

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Speaker 1: you could see them being taken very high? And why

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Speaker 1: you could see them taking very low. Let's start with

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Speaker 1: Drake May because he's a guy that is getting a

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Speaker 5: The one thing about Drake May, they got him high

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Speaker 2: Like they said his floor is low, but his ceiling

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Speaker 5: North Carolina has been one of those schools tons of talents,

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Speaker 1: And so I think what I'm trying to get out

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Speaker 1: Well, then when you watch a game, he's got these

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Speaker 1: So how do you weigh that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you look at you look at all

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Speaker 4: He's hitting all the measures that you want to hit.

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Speaker 4: I think I think you will take him high because

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Speaker 4: he has more knowns than unknowns. Yeah, I think he

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Speaker 4: I think you I think that a little bit. Well,

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Speaker 4: a Jared Goff for the field, right, Jared Goff does

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's so funny because that's your perspective, and I

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Speaker 1: respect your opinion. You watch a lot of film, but

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Speaker 1: I'm also like I see those big time throws, like

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Speaker 4: this dude is a like he's a star maker. Like

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Speaker 4: he's insanely he's a selling town. He can make all

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Speaker 5: All right, he does nothing. He doesn't he doesn't do

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Speaker 5: the things that they do. Great, he's good at everything.

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Speaker 5: He's more renaissance. Sure, he's a good good decisions sometimes

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Speaker 3: And I can't say this.

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Speaker 5: I think out of all the quarterbacks JJ included, if

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Speaker 5: we look at offensive roster, he probably had the worst.

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Speaker 5: Is coming out right now. I think he did so

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Speaker 5: he had more to I think, more of a hurdle

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Speaker 5: evaluating quarterbacks from Alabama and Ohio State is hard. They

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Speaker 5: never see adversity I want to see how he reacts

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Speaker 5: in adversity. And the thing that I seen with Drake,

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Speaker 5: win like that because it reminds me of Deck.

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Speaker 2: It makes a mistake.

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Speaker 5: Deck did not have five star wide receive was five

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Speaker 5: star running backs, but he made them look like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's the thing I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: brought up Jade and Daniels Zach is that like when

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Speaker 1: you watch him, he's very gifted, right, and when you

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Speaker 1: the lowest big time throw percent It's like not a

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Speaker 1: things that you need to do at the NFL level. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, I actually think that there's more of

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, Jane Daniels was a playmaker. But it's

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Speaker 1: this dude's balling, and when you watch Drake, you're like, ah,

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Speaker 4: You want your eyes to see what the paper tells, right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right exactly. And I think that's the thing to me

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Speaker 1: with these quarterbacks, why you get this draft because even

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Speaker 1: that is the crux of quarterbacks, because we all weigh

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Speaker 1: certain things a little bit differently. Like some people. I've

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Speaker 1: been reading stuff about how his footwork's non correctible thing,

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Speaker 1: it's going to screw them up for the rest of

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Speaker 1: his career. I don't think that, I know, and again

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Speaker 1: I don't think that either, but some people do think that.

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Speaker 1: And if you believe that he's a second round player

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Speaker 1: to Simms's point, right, So I think that's the thing

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Speaker 1: about quarterbacks. I know fans are like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: one week you're on Jane Daniels, one week you're on

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. That's the flow, that's right.

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Speaker 5: Can I ask you this, if I see it this name,

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Speaker 5: would you be blown away and say not even close?

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Speaker 2: Future don't see any of it.

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Speaker 5: If I say it, he reminds me a little bit

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Speaker 5: of Anon Rodgers coming out of college.

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Speaker 1: I actually had that thought today when I was I

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Speaker 1: was watching some film last night and I was like,

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Speaker 1: one of the big knocks and Aaron Rodgers wildly inconsistent. Ye,

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Speaker 1: he's wildly inconsistent. He's throw mechanics were inconsistent, and he

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Speaker 1: he was a plus athlete with a live arm that

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Speaker 1: wasn't afraid to make big time throws. And people forget

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Speaker 1: that he went at twenty one, thank you. And I

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Speaker 1: think the thing about that is that you know, when

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Speaker 1: you take a guy at two to a second overall,

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Speaker 1: you expect him to be kind of ready to go.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think any of these guys, maybe outside

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Speaker 1: the reason Aaron worked is he sat for four years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he fixed his mechanics and came in and was that dude.

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Speaker 4: You've seen a guy at Jane Daniel who won is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he took some terrible hits in that out

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Speaker 4: His size is not like coming with Anthony Richards for

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Speaker 5: Like, okay, he can't take him exactly missed his rookie

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Speaker 2: And this is why it scares.

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Speaker 1: Me see even this, like comparing Anthony Richardson to Jane,

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Speaker 2: We never know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's so it's projecting. I heard something the

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Speaker 2: Wide receiver, not a running back.

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Speaker 5: They got to rebuild offensive line, new offensive coordinator. That

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Speaker 4: We Ideal football situations are so important for ricky quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: But they're not at least like a structure there in place. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: potentially a bus? Is he somebody that like I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: It's too close to call it, but most top five

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Speaker 3: The couvet's bear. That's why I've watched.

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Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson go with the beck of the first round

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Speaker 5: start playing to the end, because it's already stuff there

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Speaker 5: to sick them up to succeed.

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Speaker 1: And they've developed too, they've got a shot and they've developed.

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Speaker 5: They developed maybe indeed, guess what all the quarterback as

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Speaker 2: They said they doubted if Aaron Rodgson was even the first.

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Speaker 2: To scalt the unknown.

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Speaker 5: It's hard to scout off of throwing off killed to

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Speaker 1: Coach, and you have to and I think it's a

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Speaker 1: it's JJ McCarthy's the guy. Everything throw he makes as

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Speaker 2: Right now, we had to just pick.

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Speaker 4: One have another question answer to answer that first?

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Speaker 1: You want my honest answer, I think he's JJ McCall

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Speaker 2: You got to do both.

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Speaker 3: You gotta do it right, and we're each gonna grade

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Speaker 5: He played for a coach that was a pro coach

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Speaker 5: He played in a pro offense. He played in the

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Speaker 5: He had to play on time, He had to play

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Speaker 1: And I think the thing that for me sticks out

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Speaker 4: And so when I say Drake May, it's because I

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Speaker 1: But when you look at the playmaking ability like this

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Speaker 1: the value on third down, think about the value on

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Speaker 1: fourth down. Think about the value in the red zone

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Speaker 1: of having Jade and Danils on your team. Right, It's tremendous.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's what we're saying is none of

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Speaker 1: these dudes, even Caleb Williams, are like truly pro ready.

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Speaker 1: There are guys that I think are closer. That's why

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Speaker 1: we both said JJ. I think because the footwork's good,

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Speaker 1: the mechanics are good, the talent's good.

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Speaker 4: But also check this out, like would you describe Michigan's

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Speaker 4: offense as one that relies more on the quarterback to

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Speaker 4: elevate the entire offense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course obviously. But I mean, so what

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Speaker 1: I would say with him specifically is because of how

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Speaker 1: the offense worked, he had high leverage moments more frequently.

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Speaker 1: Does that make sense what I'm saying, Era, There's there's

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Speaker 1: no Like we watched bone Nicks as an example, Like

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Speaker 1: you'll watch a whole game and you're like, let's say

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Speaker 1: he has forty passes, right, thirty thirty of them, twenty

454
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Speaker 1: five of them are like quick streams laps and J. J.

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Speaker 1: McCarthy just gets those fifteen and they are like, he

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Speaker 1: where's this, Here's this third and eight, here's this third

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Speaker 1: and ten, here's a critical fourth down, and I got

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Speaker 1: a deal here, And it's like, you don't get the

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Speaker 1: luxury of those easy ones. Wait, wait again, Like there's

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Speaker 1: I'm not knocking bon Nicks because like that's the offense.

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Speaker 2: He did it.

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Speaker 1: He executed a high level right and he's got like

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Speaker 1: one of the best completion percentages of all these guys

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Speaker 1: we're talking about. But the high leverage moments, the high

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Speaker 1: leverage throws like when you just watch, like if you

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Speaker 1: just were to take out all JJ McCarthy's throws and

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Speaker 1: just watch him back to back, you're like, that's an

468
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Speaker 1: NFL reason throat, that's an NFL throw, that's an NFL progression.

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Speaker 1: And the other guys it's you got to watch more stuff.

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Speaker 2: You see the same throw, and they won't do that

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Speaker 2: throw the same Like JJ.

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Speaker 5: Listen to me, I watched him in that National Championship

473
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Speaker 5: throw across the middle at a middle linebacker checking a

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Speaker 5: tight end, you know throw. They got taught its quarterbacks

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Speaker 5: to throw at the back. That's how I knew how

476
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Speaker 5: he was coached. He's taught to throw at the back

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Speaker 5: of the helmet of this linebacker. I ain't seen pros

478
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Speaker 5: have a good touch that he put on this ball.

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Speaker 5: And I said, that's the difference. The other guys are

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Speaker 5: not xed, like he's not extra throw for the time,

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Speaker 5: They're not asked to make that throw. And he can

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Speaker 5: make that throw, and he can do it over and

483
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Speaker 5: over and over, and that shows me a pro Can

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Speaker 5: you be consistently do the same thing at the same level.

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Speaker 4: One And the reason I asked that is because at

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Speaker 4: some point, like I said, like this. These rosters, whoever

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Speaker 4: they drew, whoever these top five teams they draft quarterback,

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Speaker 4: they're going to be on bad rosters, right, So at

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Speaker 4: some point they're gonna have to be asked to elevate

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Speaker 4: the players around them. Yeah, I oppose that, as do

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Speaker 4: you do you? At some point you're gonna have to,

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Speaker 4: even if he's a rookie. So out of those three,

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Speaker 4: who you think is going to elevate an offense quicker

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Speaker 4: and everybody Caleb with elevated now because I'm talking more

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Speaker 4: like Drake Jayden JJ, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's the case.

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Speaker 5: You asked me as a defensive coordinator, who gives me problems?

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Speaker 5: Which one of these guys would give me problems? Strong

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Speaker 5: gum kid like Drake May can make every throw and

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Speaker 5: it running ability stops me from running man to man.

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Speaker 5: I have to run zone because I need all of

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Speaker 5: us eleven looking at him because I can't afford for

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Speaker 5: him to escape on third and five and run for

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Speaker 5: a first down. Similar to jaydeon dails what JJ can

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Speaker 5: do the same thing, just not as aggresive as the

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Speaker 5: other two.

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Speaker 1: So you got to actually think he'll touch better than

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Speaker 1: Drake May if they were to run a forty, I

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Speaker 1: think he'd run.

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Speaker 5: Face faster, but I also think Dre will be a

511
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Speaker 5: little bit more durable, so you know, to eat and

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Speaker 5: off the guy.

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking, how can I get this old off your

514
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Speaker 4: off of his assignment? And I think Drake and Jayden

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Speaker 4: can do that a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: So what I would say to your question is how

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Speaker 1: are you going to perform on third down? And how

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Speaker 1: are you going to perform in the red zone? And

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Speaker 1: when I look at when I look at Drake May

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Speaker 1: and when I look at Jade and Daniels, the types

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Speaker 1: of throws they're making, and the consistency of Drake May

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Speaker 1: is not always there right in those kind of tight

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Speaker 1: window third down opportunities. And so that's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: Because of the formational sets they're in at Michigan, you

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Speaker 1: see NFL everything, and so like JJ, and that's why

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Speaker 1: it's so easy to be like, well, JJ did it.

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Speaker 1: I've seen him do it over and over and but

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Speaker 1: to your point, it's a projection, right, So of those

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Speaker 1: other two, who adds value? And I haven't seen Jane

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Speaker 1: Daniels hit rip over the middle of the field like

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Speaker 1: he's going to have to do on third down. The NFL.

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Speaker 1: Drake May has done it right, but he's inconsistent. So

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Speaker 1: it's like that's why it comes in. It's like, if

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Speaker 1: I'm putting money on a table, I'm gonna say JJ

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Speaker 1: right now could come in and do it at an

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Speaker 1: NFL level. But you're asking who's going to be the

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Speaker 1: difference maker elevating rosters, and that that becomes a more

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Speaker 1: interesting question.

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Speaker 3: Fred, Yeah, give me a number. How many quarterbacks are

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Speaker 3: going to go in the first round.

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Speaker 2: We've had these every year, five to six, so.

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Speaker 1: I'd say five, logan five, I'll say five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be around there. So why would

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Speaker 3: somebody say Drake May is the second rounder? But are

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Speaker 3: they talking about are they talking about like mock draft?

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't take them to the second round? Are they

547
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Speaker 3: just talking about their big board? They're just talking about Yeah,

548
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Speaker 3: you're not putting the emphasis of quarterback in play.

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Speaker 1: But I also but I also think like when you

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Speaker 1: watch Drake May, if you I understand why someone would

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Speaker 1: put him in the second round, the consistence he's not

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Speaker 1: going to go in the second He's not going to

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Speaker 1: he's but I understand if so this, let me just

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Speaker 1: clarify that. So let's say, like Sims, right, he put

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Speaker 1: him in the second round. It's like a developmental track.

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Speaker 1: Like I totally understand why an NFL team and an

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Speaker 1: NFL GM would put him in the second round. It's

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Speaker 1: just the lack of consistency. That's what they've chose to

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Speaker 1: focus on.

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Speaker 3: Is that going to not be true for other players in.

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Speaker 2: The say Zach Wilson was going to be a player,

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Speaker 2: it's the same, dude.

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Speaker 1: So to you, that's a good question, Jason. And what

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Speaker 1: I'd say is that, like that is something that you're

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Speaker 1: saying he needs. You're you're you're basically saying he needs

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Speaker 1: to sit. However, you are kind of vilifying certain elements

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Speaker 1: of Drake's game because we just talked about how even

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Speaker 1: though we think JJ is really pro ready to go,

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Speaker 1: he's not there yet. Jane Daniels, we love, I mean, playmaker,

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Speaker 1: Holy cow, he's not ready. So in essence, they're all

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Speaker 1: developmentally just about what you're choosing to fixate on. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's funny when you talk to quarterbacks, former quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: his footwork and how he feels the pocket. Drake may

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Speaker 1: not great, yeah right, but I see a courage to

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Speaker 1: throw the ball over the mill, to be aggressive, to

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Speaker 1: be a playmaker with the ball in your hand. And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the dude at some point that elevates

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Speaker 1: the team if he can get the other stuff cleaned

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Speaker 1: up right, So they all have if they all have

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Speaker 1: question marks. And that's why I wanted to bring that

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Speaker 1: up real quick, just to talk through that.

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Speaker 2: And he's the youngest at the bunch.

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Speaker 5: Do not forget that at the if your team is

584
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Speaker 5: trying to be a foot of Knicks, dick A, my

585
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Speaker 5: quarterback is twenty one years old.

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Speaker 4: I got some time to do it, and don't forget this.

587
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Speaker 4: In a couple of months, there's really actually gonna be

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Speaker 4: two drafts happening. There's the draft, then there's the quarterback draft.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's that's that's the fact of matter, the

590
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Speaker 4: ruin it. You either have a quarterback or you don't.

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Speaker 4: So really, yeah, he might be maybe his second round,

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Speaker 4: but it doesn't matter because he's not gonna go in

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Speaker 4: the second round because a team that needs a quarterback

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Speaker 4: is going to take.

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Speaker 2: A chance on Drake By.

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying that's one hundred percent right. But I

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Speaker 1: think if you if you talk to an evaluator. It's

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Speaker 1: not a crazy thing to say he'll be the second

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Speaker 1: quarterback taken or the sixth quarterback take. And it's just

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Speaker 1: how you perceive the players. Really, what I'm trying to get,

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Speaker 1: how do you perceive that individual? So that's kind of

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Speaker 1: what I think was got a good talk there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the point of this podcast is to trade

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Speaker 3: up the number one, which I all think we would

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Speaker 3: say is Caleb Williams. So why does he wasn't involved

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Speaker 3: in this conversation?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Why is he the clear number one?

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Speaker 1: I think with him, there's like a I'm gonna use

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Speaker 1: the word magic to his seek, right, Like he just

611
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Speaker 1: has a like a physical skill set and a gamer

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Speaker 1: mentality that is this special. And again he's a projection too,

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Speaker 1: right if the if the infrastructure around him is not great,

614
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Speaker 1: it's not gonna work out. But I think like he

615
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Speaker 1: can make every throw, he can win with his legs,

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Speaker 1: he can extend plays. You know, there's issues he had

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Speaker 1: thirteen fumbles last year. Back he doesn't he doesn't throw

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Speaker 1: on time, but there is a just a different physical

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Speaker 1: caliber to what he does on the field.

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Speaker 2: They day's a thunder You remember that movie?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Cold Triple you know you didn't know what that

622
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Speaker 5: it was with Cold Triple You just knew it was something.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Caleb has did it.

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Speaker 3: He has did hike.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Was going on? Now?

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Speaker 3: I don't do that?

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Speaker 2: Don't do that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do that he has did.

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Speaker 2: At the edge of your seat, I'm gonna throw across

631
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Speaker 2: my body.

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Speaker 5: I'm a talk like he has that stuff that can't

633
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Speaker 5: be taught, and I think that's sixty two people the

634
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Speaker 5: stuff that can't be taught, and I think him and

635
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Speaker 5: Drake may possessed it. I think Drake has some of

636
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 5: that too, but Caleb is oozing with it. And then

637
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Speaker 5: coming out for Super Bowl year and coming off the

638
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Speaker 5: last five years of watching Patrick Mahomes dominate with that

639
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 5: same magic everybody wants, Sir Patrick Mahomes. The closest thing

640
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Speaker 5: to Patrick Mahomes is Caleb Williams. So therefore the magic

641
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Speaker 5: is in Well we think maybe is all of these guys.

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Speaker 5: We think yeah for sure, and I mean yeah to

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Speaker 5: that point. Yeah, Like I mean, you see what Patrick

644
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Speaker 5: Mahomes does and nobody's Patrick Mahomes because those stuff he

645
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Speaker 5: does is just insane, especially like all those god to

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Speaker 5: have it plays in the super Bowl, like you could

647
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Speaker 5: sell me he Sidley won the game.

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Speaker 4: No, he sits people up exactly. I think you see

649
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Speaker 4: a lot of that in Caleb. Maybe not all of it,

650
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Speaker 4: but I think you think it's the it factor, it's

651
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Speaker 4: the magic, it's the old crowd. We need to play

652
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Speaker 4: out there and just freaking do it. And he can

653
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Speaker 4: absolutely do that for any team.

654
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 1: And you said this earlier, Zach, like, which of these

655
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: guys can elevate? And in year one? I am not

656
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: confident that Jayden or like I like Jayden a lot

657
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: or Drake may or JJ bo Nicks Michael, I don't

658
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: think they could elevate a team in your one. Nope,

659
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: there's something that makes me think it's possible. Yeah, Kailea Williams.

660
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's why you take him as the

661
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: best player in the drug.

662
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 5: You say he's the only quarterback in the dreup to

663
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 5: to force multiply potentially.

664
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: I think I think he's the one that you feel

665
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: like if I'm if I'm betting on, if I'm bett

666
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: putting money on the table, Yeah, and I think there's

667
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: a sixty percent chance that he's the force multiplier. But

668
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: everybody else. I'm like twenty twenty, twenty ten, ten.

669
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 4: You know, he has everything of what all the other

670
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 4: quarterbacks sort of have and then elevates it a little

671
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 4: bit more, right, Yeah.

672
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: And again like it's not a surefire thing, but if

673
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm a gambling man, a guy that's gonna come in

674
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: do the CJ. Stroud thing and look good as a

675
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: rookie right out the gate just from a physical skill set.

676
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: And we're not even talking about the intangible stuff you

677
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: talked about before, the leadership, the mentality, the student, the

678
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: professional like the all those four other things that we

679
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: have no access to. Right, how he gels with the staff, right,

680
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: the situation he goes to. Just from the physical skills

681
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: that you see on tape at USC, He's the guy

682
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: that I would say, of the guys we've talked about,

683
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: has the best opportunity as of today to elevate this group.

684
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

685
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: So I'm a don't you guys know this. I used

686
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: to be a jazz musician. Yeah, I was a music major,

687
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: jazz studies major. And uh So the reason I bring

688
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: that up is because when you listen to certain people

689
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: that play jazz, right, they're all good, They all know

690
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: the fundamentals, they all know their blues progressions, they all

691
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: know how to improvise. Always that one guy that you

692
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: play with that you're like, holy is a good list,

693
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: the Johnny Coltrane right where it's like, what are you doing?

694
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: That's right. I've heard this song before, but never the

695
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: way you've played it, And it's something. Caleb has that

696
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: part and it's like it's hard to describe and you

697
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: can't teach it to people. They just kind of have it.

698
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: It's autist that never went to school for it.

699
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: He just he can just do it. It's a gift. Now,

700
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that they don't work hard, Like that's

701
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: why woodshedding. You're at Charlie Parker, you go to the

702
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: woodshedding backyard, just play for hours a day to get better.

703
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: But he still had that guy given talent that made

704
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: him the bird all right. So my point is is

705
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: that Caleb is number one overall because he can step

706
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: on a field. He has that ability to improvise that

707
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: you can't teach, and I think he can win you

708
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: games while still trying to develop.

709
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: And that's what you're saying.

710
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: That is something that is very very unique.

711
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is because as I look at this list

712
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 5: of quarterbacks we have here, and I'm asking myself in

713
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 5: my head right now, how many of these quarterbacks on

714
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 5: this list with if they was in this draft this year,

715
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 5: would I take Caleb over Okay?

716
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: So what I have here, the list that we have

717
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: is the number one over quarterback selections that we had

718
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: in the previous year. So that Bryce Young, Trevor Lawrence,

719
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, Kyler Murray, Baker Me for your Jared Goff,

720
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 3: Jenis Winston, Andrew Locke.

721
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, So I'm drafting Caleb in the same

722
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 5: draft over Bryce Young. That's without saying uh, and I

723
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 5: can't say Trevor Lawrence.

724
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean, knowing what we know now, I still I

725
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: still don't want Okay, fair enough, fair enough, but it's yeah,

726
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: coming out of the evaluation.

727
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would say Joe Burrow, I am, I'm

728
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: such a big Joe Burrow.

729
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: Guy.

730
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: Ain't a quarterback named Joe.

731
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: I'm pretty much Will Kyler Murray, I take Caleb over him.

732
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: I think we agree with that.

733
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield, I love Baker, but I take Caleb over him.

734
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 5: Jerry Goff, I take Caleb over him. James Winston now,

735
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 5: Andrew Lucky is a whole another story, that's a whole

736
00:31:59,240 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 5: different animal.

737
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: I think I take Andrew Luck over Trevor Lowins.

738
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely the best guy of the last couple

739
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: of years here.

740
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 4: But it just shows how rare finding a guy like

741
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 4: him is. Like all these number one overall picks me,

742
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 4: how many of these posting friend wise guys are starters

743
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: in two or even in the league.

744
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, would you say that Caleb and Murray

745
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: are pretty close? Not necessarily like there's differences obviously, but

746
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: in that magic that we're talking about, because when Kyler

747
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: came out, that was the thing you look at create.

748
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: I think I think Caleb can see clear than than

749
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: than Kyler.

750
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: It seems that way.

751
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 2: It seems that way.

752
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: It seems like he has more throws in his quiver too,

753
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: more and more as it's like.

754
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 5: He sees the feeling little bit more comfortable, Like sometime

755
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 5: I see Kyler looking for windows, where I never see

756
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 5: Caleb like distressed like that because he had just side

757
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 5: in between the live and if you had to, like

758
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 5: he got an answer for every situation.

759
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely think there's more diversity to how he

760
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,239
Speaker 1: throws the football, which is one of the reasons why

761
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: you're so high on him, right. I think he's got

762
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: that playmaking ability with his legs. I think Kyler's probably

763
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: a little bit faster, but I think it's he's just

764
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: a he's got a playmaking the Jazz analogy I like

765
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: a lot. There's something unique about the way he plays

766
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: the position that gets you excited. It gets coaches excited,

767
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: he gets front office people excited. And that's why we're

768
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: in a conversation here with talking about it. But again,

769
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: even though we're very high on Caleb, like at the combine,

770
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: I had conversations with NFL scouts, Yeah, who said that

771
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels is that they would take Jaden Daniels over

772
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, even even with this

773
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: guy that's very very special.

774
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: They steal find of reasons whynot.

775
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's right, And it's all in

776
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: the eye of the beholder. And it's like, you know,

777
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't do things on schedule, he's not safe with

778
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: the football, blah blah blah blah blah.

779
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 4: That's just why this part time of the year is

780
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 4: both furiating and fascinating at the same time.

781
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: Because it's subjective. It's like you're looking at pieces of art.

782
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: You might get different things out of it or reading

783
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: a book. Right, it's just different things pop to you,

784
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: different things resonate with you. Oh and by the way,

785
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: jobs are on the line.

786
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: Yes, and I think so is Caleb worth it? Do

787
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: you think he's worth moving up one spot to get him?

788
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: Well? How much are we giving up for him? Ah?

789
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: This this always keeps.

790
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 5: Always the key to it because I'm not giving up

791
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 5: as much as we talked about earlier.

792
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: I'm not.

793
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: All right.

794
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: So here's what we're gonna do before we do the

795
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: draft where we are gonna move up to pick them.

796
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: Let's talk about what is the price that you would pay,

797
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: Fred smiart, Yes, to get Caleb Williams to move up

798
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: one spot. We're not moving up to the number one pick.

799
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 3: We got to get that notion out of our head.

800
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 3: We are moving up to get Caleb Williams.

801
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying, But in theory, I'm moving

802
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 2: up one spot.

803
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 3: All right.

804
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 5: I gotta give you, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta

805
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 5: keep myself from overpaying, like.

806
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: You know what, But I think that's what Jason's saying

807
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 1: for fans at home, when you hear the price tag,

808
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: you're putting the price tag on the player. Yeah, we

809
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: just we just and we just made the price tag.

810
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: Oh Patrick Mahomes, Oh magical playmaker. Oh all these things.

811
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: So that's what you're paying for. It doesn't matter how

812
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: far you're moving for it. It's like they know you

813
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: want what we have, and what are you willing to pay?

814
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: Teams great billionaire once told me throw.

815
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: That money out the window.

816
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 5: No, all his best investments he overpaid for them. He

817
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 5: overpaid for them. It just he had to pay a price.

818
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 5: He paid it, and they.

819
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: Very unbillionaire thing.

820
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: Who is this billionaire?

821
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: Is he a billionaire? Still?

822
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: Listen?

823
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 5: The one I know is a billionaire still. And this

824
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 5: is something that Jerry repeats all the time. Most of

825
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 5: my greatest investments, including the Cowboys, I overpaid for it.

826
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 5: At the time I felt like I did, and now

827
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 5: it's not. I would most definitely. Of course they're gonna

828
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 5: take our number two for their number one. Of course

829
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 5: I'm gonna give him my second round which one the

830
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 5: first pick in the second round to thirty six. I

831
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 5: will give them the first third round pick sixty seven.

832
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 5: So now I gave you two extra picks. And because

833
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 5: y'all didn't raised the stakes so much and we can't put.

834
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: On some time out before you keep going? Is that

835
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: what you would have been initially offered?

836
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: Just that, No, I got some more I'm going to

837
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: offer you.

838
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 5: Basically, I'm off you an extra second round peak, an

839
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,479
Speaker 5: extra third round peak, and I give you my first

840
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 5: next year.

841
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: I think that might be close. I think you probably

842
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: need another pick in there, though.

843
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: You need Yeah, I think just yeah.

844
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: It's because because i'm giving you because the second.

845
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: I'm giving you is really a first round. No, no, no, no, no,

846
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: it's right.

847
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: We support you, but I'm saying if you're going to

848
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: move up, you're moving up for Patrick Mahomes. They ain't

849
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: gonna cut it, bud first round.

850
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 2: So I'm giving you a one, a two, and a three.

851
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: And this year's drap which is very valuable that it's

852
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: this year and one one, next year's one, and I

853
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: probably need another two.

854
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: Come on, man, high rate robbery.

855
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 4: Well, so here here's the thing. It might be highway robberty,

856
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 4: but here's the thing. You're only your only movie at

857
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: one spot. But say, take someone of that sixthre like, hey,

858
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 4: we can give you the next four years and for

859
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: a picks for us, Like that's the long term success

860
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: that you're like, hey, that's that's a big If I'm

861
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 4: going to give up a franchise guy I think is

862
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 4: the dude for the next ten years.

863
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: Then who knows, but it is.

864
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 3: And you're I think, Fred, you're right if it's in

865
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 3: a vacuum, right, like if well Washington's the only one calling,

866
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 3: that's a good offer. But that's not gonna what that's

867
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: not going to stand up to what they give you

868
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: the number two pick of the dre We don't team

869
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 3: stand that. But they can give you number one picks

870
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: for the next four years.

871
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: All right, Well, this is what the Broncos can give you.

872
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 5: They can give you this year's fourteenth pick, and they

873
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 5: can give you next year's fourteenth pick. And guess what,

874
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 5: I don't want those. I WoT this number two pick,

875
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 5: I WoT the first pick in the second I was.

876
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: So just say that that hypothetical for four pick first

877
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: round thing, right, the thing that picks also give you

878
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: if you're the team receiving them. So let's say the

879
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: Bears in this case. Now I can trade back up

880
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: to wherever I want.

881
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 4: Exactly yeah, because I've got all There's there's another can Williams,

882
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 4: I actually ate even better will Yeah?

883
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: And then or or like I let'ld say really, let's

884
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: say Jay and Daniels or Drake May takes a little

885
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: skin and I'm like, hey, what's up, New York? You

886
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: wanted two first rounds, but I'm.

887
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: So glad you'll put it on a pressure on me.

888
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 2: What are you giving up? I want to know in

889
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: a trade, what are you giving up?

890
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't give up anything because I don't want

891
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: to trade up for no.

892
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: But that stood the whole point of this part.

893
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: So if I was going to trade up for Caleble

894
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: and I think what it's like, I said, I think

895
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: Fred's close. I think that first, the second, the third

896
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: this year is big value because that lets me get

897
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: my team better right now. This year top ninety picks,

898
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: big deal, right next year's first? Love that And I'm

899
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: just saying, if I'm the Bears, I'm asking for your

900
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: second next year, I'm going to ask for it and

901
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: you and then if you say no, and I'm got mine,

902
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: eye think I think Caleb's the guy. If I think

903
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: Caleb's is Patrick Mahomes and you're not gonna give me

904
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: a second round pick? Take kick rock.

905
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 5: Well, I'm hoping Caleb turns the power because he can

906
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 5: turn to power because all he has to say.

907
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: Is I don't want to be a Chicago Bear.

908
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: Now he's taking away the powers he's taking.

909
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I but I think I don't think so.

910
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: But I'm saying if I'm Chicago, that's what it would

911
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: take for me to move off the spot.

912
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 4: I think you know, you got advice from a billionaire

913
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 4: to overpro pay for your investments as a personal thousand eaire,

914
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 4: be very realistic with my expectations. And what I see

915
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 4: is is going to take at least your next three

916
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 4: first round picks, but the.

917
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: Second round and the third round pick. I think Fed's

918
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: package was pretty close to though.

919
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but still I think what really is going

920
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: to take. I mean, you're gonna have to get lead

921
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 4: three first round picks, your second round pick, your third

922
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 4: round pick, and maybe even a day to pick in

923
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five seven picks to move Mike might but if.

924
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: You Fred, if you think it's the dude.

925
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: Like like this, you're right.

926
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: Let's say, because let's go back to the sheet. What

927
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: would have what would have taken to trade up to

928
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: get Andrew Luck. And at the time, this was in

929
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, the second PA I remember, the conversation to

930
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: trade up to twelve was three for first round picks

931
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: and two players on the team. That was the conversation

932
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: at the time to move up one spot because he

933
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: was definitively that much better than the other guys. Now,

934
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't think Caleb's on that level.

935
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: We just said we wouldn't if we could pick Andrew Lucker.

936
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: Kaleb Williams are picking Andrew Luck. But I do think

937
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of what you're dealing with. And that was

938
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: in a draft with Robert Griffrom the third and it's

939
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: by the very dynamic playmakers, a very good draft. We

940
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: just did the redraft of two thousand whatever that was.

941
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: So I think that's something to consider here, right, is

942
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: there is?

943
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 3: Oh?

944
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: Right? That that was what the conversation was. And at

945
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: the time I was like, Andrew Lock probably. I don't

946
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: know if I feel that strong about Kayleb Williams, but

947
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: I think they'll take something like that.

948
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, it's just.

949
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 4: You're competing with thirty of the teams and the lie

950
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 4: to them or in the top ten, trying to say, okay, well,

951
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 4: whatever whatever Washington is going to give you, we'll give

952
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 4: you another something else.

953
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 2: Like they we can one up every peggage they bring

954
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: with multiple sick.

955
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 3: That's what I would call them gam of the Bears,

956
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 3: and I would say, whatever the best offer is and

957
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 3: another team gave you, we're gonna match it, and our

958
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: match is gonna be better because we're picking higher.

959
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: We're picking higher.

960
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 5: Now.

961
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 3: I'm not saying we should do that. I'm just saying,

962
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 3: if you want Killipill was a guy, you don't want

963
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: to overpay, I am going to match any other team

964
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: and it's going to be slightly better.

965
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: You're again kidd at that point exactly.

966
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: But whatever that, whatever any other team offers, I am

967
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 3: always going to be slightly better. I'm not gonna be

968
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 3: way better. Yeah, but I'm gonna get them and I'm

969
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 3: gonna be slave.

970
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 5: And guess way, I think we got the advantage it.

971
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 5: The only disadvantage we have is just throwing it out there. Yeah,

972
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 5: ain't being able to take it back. So I think

973
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 5: you will have to like try to itch your way

974
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 5: close to their finish line before just jumping out there,

975
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 5: because in the end we probably will be being against

976
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 5: ourselves because nobody feel like.

977
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: They can match us.

978
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: You know.

979
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 4: The beautiful thing about this is, I'd say, what three

980
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 4: quarters of the NFL, they're all having some sort of

981
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 4: conversation sort of about this in some way possibly.

982
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: Could we get exactly and is it worth it? Is

983
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: it worth it?

984
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 3: Really leak out that Washington will just match whatever you

985
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 3: do and then they'll stop bidding, and that will keep

986
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 3: the bidding.

987
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 1: Like, you know, my god, it's only what I would

988
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: do if I heard that a team, I would just

989
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: give the most Outland a shop and be like, match

990
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:20,479
Speaker 1: it Washington and then.

991
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: Come on Washington say no, no, I say, I know.

992
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 3: Actually I didn't want to do that.

993
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 5: JK.

994
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: You can j K that is I will j another

995
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: team would want to do? If you're another team, would

996
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: you be willing to risk that that chance.

997
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: That what that I got banker bankrupt the Washington Commanders

998
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: for the next four years.

999
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1000
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: If I'm the Giants, I'm like, yeah, funny story, I'll

1001
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: match this.

1002
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 2: You would you would sign?

1003
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 3: If Adam is like, oh, JK.

1004
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: Now what then I'd be like, JK, I don't want

1005
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: to do it anymore. That's what That's what.

1006
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 5: All I'm saying is we know end up being war.

1007
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 5: The best the best group of picks win, and I

1008
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 5: think nobody can. I think we just set up different

1009
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 5: than them.

1010
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: We have the arsenal to do it.

1011
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 5: All right, you want to move up, Let's just say.

1012
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 5: Let's just say New England came in the door, kicked

1013
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 5: the door in.

1014
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: And say I declare war.

1015
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: Fair, patriots him.

1016
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: Better.

1017
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 5: Patriot is right. I declared war. We got the third pick.

1018
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 5: We can give him this year's pick. We can give

1019
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 5: them next year's picking. We'll give him a second round.

1020
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: That second round is right. I'm just saying similar to

1021
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: what I just gave. We're not saying that this is

1022
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: gonna happen.

1023
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm getting stressed out, so stressed out. We should

1024
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: not do this. This is go through all this. One

1025
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: of us is gonna picking.

1026
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 4: One is gonna not gonna have to pick him for

1027
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 4: whatever reason.

1028
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's assume that we did win the

1029
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: bidding war and we moved up. All right, so we

1030
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 3: are going to do what Logan said. We're gonna you

1031
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: the second round pick swat, we're going to give them

1032
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: the thirty sixth pick, the sixty seventh pick of first

1033
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 3: in the second round next year.

1034
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 2: Fred, you think that's too much, but no, I don't know.

1035
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 2: It's fine, it's fine.

1036
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 3: The Vikings were in abitting, were with us, and that's

1037
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 3: what we had to pay. So that's what we're going

1038
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 3: to do now. In return, in return, we're going to

1039
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: get the number one pick and the one hundred and

1040
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: first pick. We're getting a little something back this year.

1041
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: One hundred ninth sorry, yeah, one hundred and ninth. Yeah,

1042
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 3: all right, that's what we're doing. We've done it.

1043
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 5: So we got one, we got forty, and we got

1044
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 5: ninety nine in one on one and one on that.

1045
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 3: I think it's one hundred and one, two and one

1046
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 3: ten because of the yeah, the yes, the top picks go.

1047
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're close. All right, So here we go.

1048
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: I got the draft simulator up. We are on the clock.

1049
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: Are we all picking together? No, we're picking picking separately.

1050
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: We're picking separately. But we're also assuming that we're all

1051
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 3: picking Caleb Williams number one.

1052
00:44:59,440 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 1: Fair enough?

1053
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 5: Are we are?

1054
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: We double? Can? We can? We're not going to make

1055
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: a case for another another player number one.

1056
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: We're all picking Caleb number one overall. But the rest

1057
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: of the draft we're gonna do uh Selby and smooth

1058
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: versus Logan and I.

1059
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: Oh.

1060
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: So we're here picking at forty and J. J. McCarthy's

1061
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 1: on the board. Should we take him? I'm just kidding,

1062
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: you know. It's speaking of Washington history.

1063
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: All right, So here we go.

1064
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: So can everyone see this?

1065
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: You guys can start, I'll I'll walk you through it.

1066
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: Okay.

1067
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 4: So for me, I'm thinking, all right, since we don't

1068
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 4: have thirty six anymore, kind of have to prioritize our

1069
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 4: needs a little bit more. There can't there there can't

1070
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 4: be any more luxury.

1071
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: I've been saying, I thought you would be talking to

1072
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: me that deal.

1073
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm speaking to your audience.

1074
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: No, No, I was literally going through my drafts.

1075
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm talking to the audience and you by co

1076
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 4: GM here. So I still think at this point, you know,

1077
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 4: if we're going we just invested so much into getting

1078
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 4: this guy, we have to protect him.

1079
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm with you on it.

1080
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 4: We gotta go tackle, we gotta go. We gotta go

1081
00:45:59,520 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 4: tackle here.

1082
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 6: So can he take us to the tackles dude, don't

1083
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 6: draft for need Bro, all right, so get in their head,

1084
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 6: don't draft for need Bro.

1085
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 4: So so the top of list we got Kingly stay.

1086
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna be honest with you, was watching some

1087
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 4: film on Kingsley. I'm not as much a fan of

1088
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 4: him as I was.

1089
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: Oh, why not give me that? I think his his.

1090
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 4: Footwork isn't great, Like he's a little lazy sometimes I think, like, what.

1091
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: About Patrick Poks Also he was a freaky athlete. And

1092
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: if you and if you so, if you say that

1093
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: about Kingsley Suemataiah, you have to say the same thing

1094
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: about Patrick Paul, and you have to say the same

1095
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: thing about Kirian. I'm a jj O, I'm a DJ

1096
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: from Yale, Like you have to say them about all

1097
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: those guys, because they're all all those guys right here.

1098
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: Maybe Dominic Puney, No, he's he's attacking from Kansas, right,

1099
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: But all those guys are raw prospects and that's they

1100
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: are physical freaks and that's why they're exciting. But like

1101
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: that's I'm just calling out your your standard here. Sure, yeah,

1102
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. So for me, look at those

1103
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: top four, I think Patrick Paul is too.

1104
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: Raw, too raw to raw?

1105
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: What about Blake Fisher?

1106
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: Jack doesn't like Blake Fisher, and I get why I'm

1107
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: in the same boat. I think he could come in

1108
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: and play football for you. Blake Fisher the attacking from

1109
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Yeah, very raw player, very stiff. He's got

1110
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: some tightness. So but I also I like I like

1111
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: hearing to Mega DJ. I think, let me just I

1112
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: like him too from Yale attacking from the One thing

1113
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: I would say about this to you zac competition. I

1114
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: would say his level of competitions. Did you see him

1115
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: dominate even a little bit at this level?

1116
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: He was like I wanted to.

1117
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: And you're gonna go on the second round. I want

1118
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: you to be ripping through. You need to be like

1119
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: what was the thing with Jarry Evans? What he needs

1120
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: to dominate? D three combats?

1121
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 2: He's gone, I need you to really fire.

1122
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 4: So I will say in king Lee to Kingley's point, yeah,

1123
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 4: you you do, have you do? You're going get some bigger,

1124
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 4: some better competition there.

1125
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: All right.

1126
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 5: So now that we have these offensive linemen and we're

1127
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 5: not in love with anybody, do we go best play

1128
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 5: available right here for this best player draft?

1129
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 4: If that's the case draft stopping, man, that's the case something.

1130
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 4: We got to go to edge and we'll see who

1131
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 4: we got there.

1132
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 5: Brayland Trice, Chris Bong, Chop Robinson, Chop Robinson, Robinson right there,

1133
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 5: run it up.

1134
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: So don't even give people.

1135
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: Let me just say this real quick. Then we don't yet. No, No,

1136
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: it's important to know PFF has not updated their mock

1137
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: draft simulator since the Combine. Yeah. I just wanted to

1138
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: put that out there so for fans, and I'm going

1139
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be there. We haven't updated yet.

1140
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 4: No, Okay, I hear you. I hear you on Shop

1141
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 4: Great Trades chats on there.

1142
00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter.

1143
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 4: Because you're you can you that really turned him into

1144
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 4: a baller. Case for Darius Robinson, I know you talk

1145
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 4: about the identity identity letter trendsetter. This is that freaking dude.

1146
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 5: I love I love Darius Robinson. Everything I heard from

1147
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 5: the combine about him.

1148
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 4: I watch me Nasty.

1149
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: Podcast.

1150
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 2: But let me tell you this. That Chop Robinson, I

1151
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 2: think because I got to ask myself.

1152
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 4: Another player, everything.

1153
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 2: Darius were picking on Robinson right here regardless.

1154
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 5: I know what I'm saying is Darius does have a

1155
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 5: high ceiling, and I think he can't be a great

1156
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 5: player in this league. But Chop, I think it has

1157
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 5: When I evaluate him, I say, it's something about what

1158
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 5: could he be? Like, I ain't gonna do this to

1159
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 5: him because Michael Parts has come up in your head

1160
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 5: when you look at the kid, I'm sorry, when you

1161
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 5: look at him, I'm like, okay, if I got a

1162
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 5: chance to get that.

1163
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 4: No, I mean you look at Chopp and you you see,

1164
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 4: you see such a bright future.

1165
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 2: And let's agree to disagree. Let's go check, we'll.

1166
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: Meet the Robinsons. Yeah, we're gonna go with right.

1167
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: Thank you, brother.

1168
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: You got to pick.

1169
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 3: We can't pick Chop Robinson. Now let's draft for need.

1170
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: Draft for need. I want to do that.

1171
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 3: Okay. So the reasoning saying that is because we probably

1172
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: want an offensive lineman. Our next pick is going to

1173
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 3: be the one hundredth pick. What's going to be left

1174
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: there that you feel good about?

1175
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 1: Can we go to the corners and linebackers? I always

1176
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: see some defensive personnel five hundred.

1177
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 3: But you didn't answer my question. Are you going to

1178
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: be okay with leaving this draft without an offensive lineman?

1179
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: Yes?

1180
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: Because that's hopefully in free agency. We're gonna have somebody

1181
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: on the roster here soon.

1182
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 4: And there are some deeper guys down there that think

1183
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 4: you can be you can have products.

1184
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 5: Because you draft somebody to stick around. Don't make them

1185
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 5: a start in no way.

1186
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 4: There's a guy I'm gonna bring up in probably the

1187
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 4: fourth round that I want us to discuss. We could

1188
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 4: discuss now, well, we're not in the fourth round yet, man.

1189
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 5: That's how you get an advantage old people by communicating.

1190
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, linebackers, what did you want to see? I want

1191
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: to see linebackers. I don't want to see interior offensive line.

1192
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: So linebackers, ooh my guy, edgern Cooper here would be

1193
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: very interesting, not great, but I agree. So we always

1194
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: talk about stylistic fits for a team and a coach, right.

1195
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: So one of the things about Dan Quinn and what

1196
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: he does with the linebackers off ball linebackers. He likes

1197
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: to use them in pass rush situations. And when you

1198
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: look at edgern Cooper got thirty four inch arms, the

1199
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: fastest ten of the linebackers. I think it would be

1200
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: a nice interchangeable chess piece. Here, guy from Texas A

1201
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: and M again a little bit raw, a little bit developmental,

1202
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: but in terms of athletic measurables, in terms of instincts,

1203
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: in terms of physicality, in terms of flexibility for the defense,

1204
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: I think Dan could develop a very nice vision of

1205
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: how to use him as a football player. So that's

1206
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: something I think is pretty interesting here at this spot

1207
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: two half of Marshall and Marshawn Neela. Oh, I love

1208
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: Marshaw Nylan. It's great. Would think about taking him here,

1209
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: But I think based on this board and how the

1210
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: mock draft falls, maybe not so. Was this how safety safeties?

1211
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: Jayden Hicks potentially again, Jayden Nicks is a guy from

1212
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: Washington State, big body six y three, two hundred and

1213
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: ten pounds that I think brings a lot of flexibility

1214
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: to a defense, and much the same way Cam Crow

1215
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: would kind of your big buffalo Nickel. But yeah, I

1216
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: think I would think about taking Edereck Cooper. Can you

1217
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: get offensive line? And it's really hard for me. So

1218
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: these are the three guys I'm considering king Ziy SUMATAI

1219
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: just because I think his potential, his ceiling athletically is

1220
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: so high. Sure, and you know, even if you've got

1221
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: a guy in free agency, Like, I just think heading

1222
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: an athlete like that is going to be powerful roster

1223
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: building moving forward. I think Eddrian Cooper gives you some

1224
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: flexibility defensively, and I think having a safety like the

1225
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: kid from Washington State would be interesting too. It just

1226
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: depends on what my what my GM here thinks of

1227
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: the evalue.

1228
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 3: So what do you think with getting a linebacker here

1229
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 3: when we will probably fill that in free agency, plus

1230
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 3: with having me do you want that depth piece there

1231
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 3: because that feels like that's what it's going to be. Yeah,

1232
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: versus I think we want to try and get somebody

1233
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: that's going to sort well.

1234
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: I think I think from what I understand, they're going

1235
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: to run a three four structure, you need some bodies

1236
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: out there at the linebacker position. Again, this is still

1237
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: kind of sifting our way through free agency, but in

1238
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: terms of guys that I just love, I really like

1239
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: Kingsley Simitian. Again, I agree with Zach in terms of

1240
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: the film, but the athlete and the physicality and the

1241
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: rawness there, if he gets with the right coach and

1242
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: the right system, developmental guy like just to try to

1243
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: pass up on guys that move that way, and I'm

1244
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: that's the way I want to lean. Yeah, personally, you're

1245
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: the guy.

1246
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 3: Because of the free agents that we will sign on

1247
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 3: offensive line, I think they'll help insulate him in the

1248
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 3: sense of, like he can be roll, you can still

1249
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 3: they can teach.

1250
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: Him, yeah, and be in that line and.

1251
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 3: Learn from that.

1252
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: And you know this.

1253
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 1: Another situation would be like if Patrick Paul I think

1254
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 1: he'll be higher on this board. He's rated eighty sixth

1255
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: on this board. We talked about this before. I think

1256
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: after the combine he's going to be much higher. But

1257
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: I think either Kingsley Sima tire Patrick Paul here, Yeah,

1258
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: I'd be fine with.

1259
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 4: I think we had if we still had thirty six.

1260
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 4: I think Patrick Paul forty was is far more interesting.

1261
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 3: All right, so we're gonna take time. Guys, took chop, Ye.

1262
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 4: The chopper, the chopper, Get to the chopper, Get.

1263
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: To the chop.

1264
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: There's guy. Yeah, so what do we We'll pick one hundred. Gosh,

1265
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: pick one hundred, all right, so I have a pick.

1266
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 3: We have another pick just too later.

1267
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, so we so we don't necessarily need to

1268
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 4: like go crazy for getting someone with that position we

1269
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 4: absolutely have to get right now. And but for me

1270
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 4: I'm thinking receiver. I'm thinking running back, and I'm still.

1271
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 5: Why why are you thinking running back? When we got

1272
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 5: a room full of running backs? What I could get

1273
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 5: running backs in the fiefth round, sixth round in this draft?

1274
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: You know what I'm thinking.

1275
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 4: I'm thinking that we have no account for free agency.

1276
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 4: So you're right, running running back is still.

1277
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 3: Come out on Friday.

1278
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: So could you take us today?

1279
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 3: Reported?

1280
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1281
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 3: Reported?

1282
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: In that case. In that case running back, I'd like

1283
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: to tell you, Sam, I know you do, but he's

1284
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: not there.

1285
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 2: What about jahin Bail?

1286
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: Dude, No way you want to draft him right now?

1287
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: I just need to know up there.

1288
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,959
Speaker 4: Look, I still think I think receiver is a direction.

1289
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 2: We got what receiver? Do we give us a receiver

1290
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: with this?

1291
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: Please?

1292
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 4: Because we're reaching the end here where I think some

1293
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 4: of the time Florida State Jacob Cowing is really strong.

1294
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: I like Cowing. Yeah, don't draft a receiver. There's like

1295
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: a million good ones.

1296
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 3: Looks like Johnny Wilson's gone, I know.

1297
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: You do, and we had pick a hundred.

1298
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 1: I think that's reasonable. I think he probably might.

1299
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 3: Take a chance on you.

1300
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: We're in we're in a very serious gray area. Let's

1301
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: see coming back in safety, very serious gray area.

1302
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: DJ Jays had to.

1303
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: Take solid player. Yeah, I was watching the film on

1304
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: him earlier.

1305
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we might have to take him.

1306
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: Uh oh so yeah.

1307
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 4: Tacky Smith another guy that I that I like.

1308
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: He's roll in the cornerback station. Yeah and safety and

1309
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: safety right just corners. Safety's okay, Sony Vake DJ James.

1310
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 4: I'm kind of too him between either dj ur Taychi

1311
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 4: Artiki takey.

1312
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: One of those let me get the pronunciation guys.

1313
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 2: I will go.

1314
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 5: Because I would feel like this free agency safety choices

1315
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 5: are just so plentiful. I could get one of those guys.

1316
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 5: I go DJ James to bring in some young conelback here.

1317
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah like that. Yeah, we'll go with d J James.

1318
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: Huh what do you like about him? Fred Man?

1319
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 5: First of all, he didn't played against all types of

1320
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 5: competition at Alburt. He's been to go to cors so

1321
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 5: he's been the corner that has I've watched him follow people,

1322
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 5: which most of these corners don't ever follow any people

1323
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 5: no more. He can pretty much do whatever I need

1324
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 5: him to do, and he ain't no small guy like

1325
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 5: I like him.

1326
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 3: I like.

1327
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 5: I think he's one of them corners. He gonna have

1328
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 5: a better pro career than he had college.

1329
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: Nice Google linebacker, real quick, Jason for our pick. Thank you?

1330
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 3: So I like that upset you're moving off Faky right now.

1331
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna draft him as a running back or what.

1332
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: I think we draft him as a safety, and then

1333
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: he learns a little bit from Eckler and we got

1334
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 3: our running back.

1335
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: Of the future. Yeah, he's got some good running back tape.

1336
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 3: Did you guys have you seen Faki's running back tape?

1337
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: He played running back early in his career this year.

1338
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 3: By necessity, he had to play running back at Utah. Yeah,

1339
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 3: he's dynamic.

1340
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 5: Look seriously, well you know, James McShay, I'm gonna go

1341
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 5: check him out and brought where.

1342
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 3: Am I going?

1343
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: Let's go linebackers there.

1344
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 3: At the combine, it was I got so happy. They

1345
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 3: ran the he ran all the drills with the safeties,

1346
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: and then they brought out the running back drills just

1347
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 3: for him and he ran them and it looks it

1348
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 3: looks so good.

1349
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: It was like, what are you doing? Well? Billichick just

1350
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: retired a year too early because he's a bill.

1351
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: Go to go to best players available, too.

1352
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: We got here Tomchenberg.

1353
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 3: You don't like.

1354
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I can burb.

1355
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 2: You don't like I can burn.

1356
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: No, it's all right, so yees go down. Yeah, it's

1357
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: kind of thin here in terms we just drafted to tackle.

1358
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: You know, probably still need a swing guy, still need

1359
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: some death pieces, need to tackle for the future even

1360
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: after free agency. And I do like Dominic Puny quite

1361
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: a bit. Really, I do as a guard, as a

1362
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,479
Speaker 1: guard guard. Yeah, so watch him as a guard because

1363
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: at the C boy crushed it as a guard. Yeah.

1364
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: And I think he's a big guy six ' five,

1365
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: he's like three twenty and he I think it gives

1366
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: you some flexibility along the front, having a guy that

1367
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: can tackle, play inside, and unfortunately the board right now

1368
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: it is not This is I think one of the

1369
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: issues with trading out and not having a pick in

1370
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: the top rounds is you got Tony Vak, who we like,

1371
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: but he's a safety. He's a small, undersized safety. Ray

1372
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: Davis is good running back, but again I don't like

1373
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: running back value. Dominic Puty a guy that I do like.

1374
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: Marshall Lloyd, the running back from USC. Bolmer is a center.

1375
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: Don't like taking centers here in terms of value, did

1376
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: you James the guy that I would consider here from Auburn,

1377
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: Dwayne Carter from Duke, but Mike, I do like Matt Young,

1378
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: Cleavis a lot, cam in Off an injury, last only

1379
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: played three games where we just drafted a tackle. So

1380
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: it gets a little bit thin here, I think. And

1381
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: that's the thing that makes me a little bit nervous.

1382
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: And I do think from a value standpoint, I don't

1383
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: want to be reaching on guys that I don't love him,

1384
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: And this is like, this is the issue when the

1385
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: board doesn't fall your way. Hopefully in free agency we've

1386
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: taken care of some of these holes. Yeah, we can

1387
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: fill them.

1388
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 5: And this is why I don't I giving up the

1389
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 5: dref capital to move up because in the.

1390
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: Big scheme of things, you only gonna get so many

1391
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: players from the dress.

1392
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: What are you going with here? I'm going I think,

1393
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: what do you think, Dominic Punya?

1394
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Peeny. I like that they took a

1395
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 3: corner for their secondary, but you were picking just two later,

1396
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 3: and there are a couple of good corners here. So

1397
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 3: I think going with this piece right here as kind

1398
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 3: of a bet on the future A little.

1399
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 4: Bit here, like his art doesn't make more sense for Peeni.

1400
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 4: I think he I think he looks a little out

1401
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 4: of swords Kansas attack with no I don't think so

1402
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 4: at all. Think I don't think he has the athleticism

1403
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 4: to do that. But side, I think he has the

1404
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 4: strength to do it. I think he has some better

1405
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 4: I think he can shine a lot of his traits

1406
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 4: are going to be better if he's on the inside.

1407
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 4: He's not asked to be out there and blocked deep.

1408
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: I think, you know, having a guy that can play tackling,

1409
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: a pinch, play guard, you know what I'm saying, like

1410
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: you do some flexibility, you know, just can you go

1411
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: to the offensive line for us? Oh you can't take Donald?

1412
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: Get out of here. I'm not going puny.

1413
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 3: All right, So we took Puny. We're on the next pick.

1414
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 3: This is the one hundred and second.

1415
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: All right, there's your guys. I know.

1416
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 4: This is Christian Jones out of Texas.

1417
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 1: This guy shoot out to me the Senior Bowl.

1418
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 4: He won just about ever if going against Darius Robinson,

1419
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 4: going up against some of the best out there. Like

1420
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 4: the way he's the way he's able to change direction

1421
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 4: so impressive. Like so whenever you when you're doing what

1422
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 4: it project.

1423
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: Look, no, I don't. I don't think.

1424
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 4: I don't think so. So whenever you're going whenever you're

1425
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 4: going in one on one pass pro and you really

1426
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 4: when the defense had reached parallel to the quarterback, that

1427
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 4: that's what the defense have been. Is one but at

1428
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 4: its one of some of his most dangerous points because

1429
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 4: they're going to try to do change the rest, They're

1430
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 4: trying to get your feet tripped up.

1431
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: He does not do that.

1432
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 4: He mirrors people's ass as best as I saw in

1433
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 4: any other off of the lineman of the senior ball.

1434
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: I think he's so.

1435
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 3: He's four years at Texas right and very experienced, very experienced.

1436
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: So if you're saying he's a project or he needs

1437
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 3: to get better, X my gas.

1438
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 5: Because first of all, it's certain teams. I take their

1439
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 5: players all the time. Like you asked me, do I

1440
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 5: take a Wisconsin office alignement. Yes, I will get him

1441
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 5: and I figure out his problems later because I'm bound

1442
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 5: to that school when it comes to that position.

1443
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: Texas they do everything.

1444
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 6: I know.

1445
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 3: He's huge, I know that for a fact.

1446
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 5: So if I can teach this huge man and he

1447
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 5: can already move, so really can move to So now.

1448
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: You're telling me, I'm just cleaning his technique up.

1449
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 4: And he keeps his head out of bulrushes, keeps it

1450
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 4: back punches or tight.

1451
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: You got me.

1452
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: So he's going Christian Jones, go on, Christian Jones, Christian Joe.

1453
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 3: He's a good player.

1454
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, is have you watched Matt Young

1455
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: Clevis yet? I have not? Yeah? You watch him?

1456
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, you you have recommended him to me.

1457
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: He's a little bit more bendy, a little bit, i'd say,

1458
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: like kind of like offensive line athletic, which gives me

1459
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: kind of more often.

1460
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 4: Big skill athletics.

1461
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: That's right, there, you go, And I.

1462
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 3: Just want to look at wide receivers here.

1463
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: It's a it's a good group here. Jacob Cowing from Arizona.

1464
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to say that guy's.

1465
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 5: Name, Nias Smith. I like him because he can return,

1466
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 5: he can he can some different things to your game.

1467
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 5: He can run out the back for you, like think

1468
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 5: fast as Curtis in.

1469
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other one I like is Javon Baker

1470
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: quite a bit here. He's he's a pretty special football

1471
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: Player's row down a little bit, Jason, I'm sorry just

1472
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: to see like so one thing about this offense that

1473
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: I think I'd like to consider is getting a jitterbug

1474
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: slot guy, and Taji Washington is a guy that fits

1475
01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: that mold, very twitched, very explosive. We have Caleb a report,

1476
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: but I you know, I don't want to be reaching

1477
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: for pictures. We go up to best player available real

1478
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: quick and see what we got going on here. So

1479
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: so let's see what we got here. There's some good

1480
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:15,959
Speaker 1: football players. Go down a little bit. Jason, thank you gosh, Oh, dude,

1481
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: that might be your guy right there, Jason Salomon, who

1482
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: got Let's see Brownlee Brown?

1483
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1484
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 3: I like Brownlee a lot. I think he's like very instinctive,

1485
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 3: very very smart.

1486
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: Physical, got some attitude to him. Yeah, tough, transferred from

1487
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: Florida State. And the thing you love about him that

1488
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: I love about him is like there was a play

1489
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: of him going against Johnny Wilson and he absolutely hands

1490
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: on the chest, throws him to the ground. Really physical,

1491
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: aggressive mindset, talking about doing talking about doing some tough

1492
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: shit with tough people. I think he fits that.

1493
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 2: So you x ray him and it was a dog.

1494
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 3: Who be He likes to play football, right, That's the

1495
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 3: thing about you can tell this dude, loves football. He

1496
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 3: was a standout at the Senior Bowl. It was, uh,

1497
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 3: you know how they do one on one routes. Yeah,

1498
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 3: at the Senior Bowl, he looks like he was running

1499
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 3: routes for receivers. He was winning those which you never see.

1500
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 1: One and one on ones. Yea, I was there.

1501
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 3: That's you haven't seen it since fred Scoop. So uh yeah,

1502
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 3: he is impressive. Not the best film. I would say,

1503
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 3: jump all these kids.

1504
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: Project, but but he's he clearly loves Look at the

1505
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: comin like if you're going to take a shot, what

1506
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: is this the third round? The fourth and the fourth?

1507
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: Like I would take a shot on this guy for

1508
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: one more pick left?

1509
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 3: All right? Here we go on one O nine. This

1510
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 3: is last pick in our mock draft battle.

1511
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: Here all right, well this is one tenure.

1512
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 3: Yes it is one ta.

1513
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1514
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 4: I still think we should at least look at who's

1515
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 4: left the receiver here, because a baby.

1516
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: Ray Davis is a very solid player. Trey Benson, Oh

1517
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: got a little home. He's not going to go be here.

1518
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 4: Cam Hart another something like thinking heart had a pretty

1519
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 4: good senior ball.

1520
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: Strong corner like him.

1521
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 2: Put put it down. We got a corner, don't forget that.

1522
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. Cooper B Bay.

1523
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 4: I say, Cooper B Bay, that's a great guard up.

1524
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 2: Say we can we might as well get him, he

1525
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 2: can back up.

1526
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 4: I think it's baby. I'm gonna say, hey, maybe he

1527
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 4: stands upo.

1528
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: Him the most. I want first play. I watched him.

1529
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: It's a poll.

1530
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 4: I'm like, my god, that is one of the most

1531
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 4: beautiful polls I've ever seen in my entire life.

1532
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: Poetry more talking to people with the combine, A lot

1533
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: of people had him very, very high, freaking maller. So

1534
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: it's we should have looked down the list.

1535
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 3: Probably would have had a conversation about I'm old.

1536
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 4: We like if if Christian Jones, like one of my favorite,

1537
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 4: like day three, guys, Cooper Baby is right there.

1538
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're taking a lot offensive lineman here, guys my

1539
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: favorite we're trying to take out of base. Yeah, for sure.

1540
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 2: Version all right, it's on us last us.

1541
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: Oh, I was gonna say Christian Jones, but he's he's

1542
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: been taking all right, damn right to do?

1543
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 5: What do we?

1544
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: Who do we? Can we review who we've drafted so far?

1545
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,919
Speaker 3: Yeah? So just us or you want to talk about

1546
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 3: just do us we'll do a recap with them. So

1547
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 3: we have Caleb, Caleb Williams, Kingsley, Sue Mataia, Great Dominic

1548
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 3: Puney we're moving in the guard and Jarvis Brownlee.

1549
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 2: I got a lot office lab.

1550
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we do. It's important, I mean, but also

1551
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: I think it kind of shows I think the strengths

1552
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: of the class, you know, like their.

1553
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 3: Office of labin in it.

1554
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: And so Mohammed Kamar here from Colorado State. It's a

1555
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: guy with a lot of past rush, Yeah, a lot

1556
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: of past ros shoots. Can you scroll up a little bit.

1557
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: I saw a name on here that I thought was

1558
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: pretty good, obviously Cooper Bibbey, who you just drafted a

1559
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: little higher police. And then this guy up keep going

1560
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: one more, keep going. There go Cold Bishop and wh

1561
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: who Cold Bishop is? Anybody watched this film yet? I

1562
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: haven't watched this tell he dive on Cold Bishop. So

1563
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: he's the guy at the combine around a four to

1564
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: four six to two hundred and five pounds two hundred

1565
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: and ten pounds, plays safety and when you watch him

1566
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: at Utah, he's the guy that plays opposite Sony Bake

1567
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,919
Speaker 1: and he plays in the box. He blitzes, he plays post,

1568
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: he plays Nickel, and so I think having a guy

1569
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: with that skill set super instinctent. And this is gonna

1570
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: sound crazy, but he reminds me a little bit of

1571
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: like Wattle, probably because the Utah uniform, you know what

1572
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, he's got He's not super.

1573
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 2: Because I've been say, ain't a safety more versively like

1574
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 2: Wattle play?

1575
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: I think when you watch this in terms of offense defense,

1576
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: but in terms of in the context of the Yeah,

1577
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: I think this guy is a little bit more versatile,

1578
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna. I think he's a guy

1579
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 1: that projects, in my opinion onion to a starting caliber

1580
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: player at some point, you know what I'm saying. And

1581
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: so I get really excited about him. Another guy is

1582
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: cam Hart, the corner from Notre Dame in terms of big, physical,

1583
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: long corners. Probably a little bit developmental in terms of here,

1584
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: but if you need a guy that could potentially start,

1585
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: maybe that's the move. So I'd probably be I feel

1586
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: pretty good about either one of those guys. Honestly, Jason,

1587
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 1: you want that guy, you want the edge guy like

1588
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: you like Juice.

1589
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like him a lot.

1590
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: So we're talking about we're talking about Mohamed kind of

1591
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: tomorrow Kamara.

1592
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 2: None of that looked at kamaraw is a good pays us.

1593
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, as I looking at Dre, I think we drafted

1594
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 5: more impressive starters.

1595
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 2: Theology.

1596
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we got quality and we.

1597
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: Haven't picked anybody yet.

1598
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that's the way I would go, is

1599
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 3: Mohammed Kamara.

1600
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: That's what we're saying.

1601
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yes, he's got He's got the juice, right, the juice.

1602
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 2: And I think when you looking his team with Dan

1603
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 2: and what they could do, I think think that's a

1604
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 2: good player, is a totally good place. He just ain't

1605
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 2: shot Robs.

1606
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: No, But you know, hey, people, you know what's crazy though?

1607
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: Who was a more productive college player? No?

1608
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:18,839
Speaker 2: He was, but he also played indeed you know the content.

1609
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: Hey, let me just say, let me just say you're

1610
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 1: taking chob like every time, you know, let me just

1611
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: say this real quick though. But I think, like when

1612
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: you look at edge rushers, Yeah, there's physical traits and

1613
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: then there's production. And I think he has physical traits.

1614
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: I think he around a four or five one. Yeah,

1615
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: he had like a forty inch vertical home. He was

1616
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: getting after it and then so not a bad athlete

1617
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: grade ten but very productive. I think double digit sacks

1618
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: last two years of Colorado State. So he's a guy

1619
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: that gets you pretty fired up in terms of as

1620
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: a rotational password guy was traits, that's and it's all

1621
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: about getting after the quarterback. So and for us to

1622
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: get a guy like that.

1623
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 4: In the fourth round, but for us, we got our

1624
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 4: offensive linemen to block him.

1625
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know who you got. Chris Jones, he's

1626
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: died and Chris john They hate to break it to you, but.

1627
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 2: You know I can't.

1628
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: Kings is going to eat that up because the think

1629
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: about the thing about Chopping. I love Chopp, good football player,

1630
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,560
Speaker 1: but not a lot of diversity to his past rush profile.

1631
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: Not you don't think I love about this. He loves

1632
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: is going to take him to task, But I see

1633
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 1: that's the thing I think. I think he's a good athlete,

1634
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: but the production is something that would make me go

1635
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: to the right.

1636
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't know what he's a rust that's because

1637
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 3: of Penn State failed him, not because of state. Hen't understand,

1638
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 3: but it's very clear Chopp is one thing that he

1639
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 3: does very well, and he doesn't he just he doesn't

1640
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 3: move well. He's got the speed rush and that's it. Like,

1641
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 3: if he doesn't win with that, it's it's over. He's

1642
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 3: got nothing to do as a coming to the league. Really, No,

1643
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 3: I understand that you're just saying he's like Michael Parsons.

1644
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 3: Michael Parksons, I'm saying showed more no, no, no, ham

1645
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 3: and Hamburgers. But McDonald's is different than five guy. Is

1646
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 3: that what I'm saying. You could see that Michael Parsons

1647
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,560
Speaker 3: had certain skill sets. Penn State just didn't utilize it.

1648
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 2: And this is Gay with similar markens and they don't

1649
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 2: use him, right either.

1650
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 3: No, it's not the No, No, that's not what I'm saying.

1651
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 3: I'm not saying Penn State isn't using Chop Robinson. Right,

1652
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 3: I'm saying that Chop Robinson can only do this one

1653
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 3: thing because they asked him to do other things and

1654
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 3: he can't do it, which is why it's production of

1655
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 3: what you say.

1656
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 2: He can't cover in space Chop Robinson.

1657
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably he's pretty stiff. He's pretty stiff man.

1658
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 2: I was talking to Kuyper.

1659
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 3: No, I don't think he can and I don't think

1660
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 3: that he will be able to develop good enough secondary

1661
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 3: encounter Rushman to be effective. If he doesn't win right away,

1662
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 3: that's it. I just don't.

1663
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 2: You're saying he is a learner.

1664
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 3: That's what you think.

1665
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 2: Football.

1666
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 1: So I think we're all excited that if if if

1667
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: you were drafted here would be excited about it because

1668
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: I think Dan has a vision for how to develop

1669
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: these guys.

1670
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 3: But he is, he's he hasn't shown any of these things.

1671
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 1: He's fast, he's very He's like Ricky Bobby Man. He

1672
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: likes to go fast and that's how he rushes the

1673
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,679
Speaker 1: pastor fast and when you look at like Vic Beasley,

1674
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: he likes to run fast too.

1675
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 2: Vic Beasley.

1676
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: But I don't think I like him. But you need

1677
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: as you know, Zach, if I know you're going to

1678
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: go fast, I can go fast to as a past protector.

1679
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: Right So I think and I expect him to develop.

1680
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: I think he will. I'm not saying he won't.

1681
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 3: Has got to be saying he can get with a

1682
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,600
Speaker 3: group that can teach him and develop it. And I

1683
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 3: think he can do that. That's why I'm saying Chopp

1684
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 3: has to go to a place that is going to

1685
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 3: invest in him to teach him and get him mad.

1686
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:02,560
Speaker 3: But saying he's Michael Parsons. Michaels already showed no.

1687
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 2: Billy said he was Michael Parson's like.

1688
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,560
Speaker 5: And Michael Parson's stats didn't really blow you away his

1689
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 5: last year, Pich, they didn't, not at all.

1690
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,560
Speaker 3: But we saw what we saw was football players. I

1691
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 3: was like, he is different.

1692
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: I could tell I get.

1693
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 3: Hyped about this, passionate about this because I'm a Pennin

1694
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 3: State man that I want so much more from Chop Robinson.

1695
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 3: And I don't know what Manny Diaz was doing with.

1696
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: Maybe now's the time. Maybe now's the time he comes here.

1697
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 3: In here, I'd be us better pros.

1698
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 2: Not all the time, but they are better pro than

1699
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 2: the Ichoic.

1700
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 5: Y'all don't get the best out of nobody in Happy Valley,

1701
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 5: Happy Belly. Unfortunately, today five or six draft picks on

1702
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 5: their team and you struggling to play with Michigan. The

1703
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 5: one thing Happy Valley don't do will it's groomed football players.

1704
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 3: I don't disagree. I think you.

1705
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: Post this right, man, Post the teams. Post the teams here.

1706
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll post the teams. People can vote on watch

1707
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 3: team one. Uh, you guys won last time. I didn't

1708
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 3: tell you we won the first You know what, when

1709
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 3: we ain't battling each.

1710
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: Other, we were okay, you weren't even here for that

1711
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 1: last week, but.

1712
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 2: Good what you hailed it that.

1713
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: That's right.

1714
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 3: I had to go take cam GM right.

1715
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 4: I spoke from co Why you trust the guy he

1716
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 4: was ol scouting, he was preparing.

1717
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: For this, Yeah, exactly.

1718
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so we'll run down the list real quick, Fred

1719
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 3: and Selby. You guys got Caleb Williams. Chop Robinson. He's

1720
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 3: going to be excellent chopping it up, all right, DJ James,

1721
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 3: Christian Joe.

1722
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: There we go, Cooper, Babe, Babe, we got a baby DJ.

1723
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 2: And that's.

1724
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: Quite a bit. Yeah, the attomn Is are going crazy.

1725
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 3: Right, we got Caleb Williams. That's pretty good. Kingsley, Sue, Mattia,

1726
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 3: Dominice Peney. You will move them to guard Rvis Brownley

1727
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 3: Junior and Mohammed Kamamara.

1728
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: I actually like that, like that group credit bit. Yeah,

1729
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 1: I feel pretty strongly about both.

1730
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 3: These groups are pretty good. So is it is it

1731
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 3: worth it?

1732
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1733
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 3: Is it worth it? It's always worths and you'll still

1734
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 3: get a draft.

1735
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 2: Forget that other players. You don't get the first one, right, Yeah?

1736
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 2: None this matters.

1737
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all about Caleb. If if you say, if

1738
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 4: you come back in ten years to hey, Caleb worked out.

1739
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: But I also wonder like this is like kind of

1740
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: me just playing Devil's advocate if you were to there's

1741
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: how many people are missing from this list that we

1742
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: would have had probably two people missing. There's two people

1743
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: missing from next year, probably three that are going to

1744
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: be This is it.

1745
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 3: This is a team basically moving forward.

1746
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: So when and so with agents, when you are when

1747
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: you have a young player, like I look at I

1748
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: look at guys that have been successful recently, you know,

1749
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: like the the Jaalen Hurts for example, right, his ability

1750
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: to kind of make so many players around.

1751
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 5: So yeah, yep, c J scross so many players around. Yeah,

1752
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:00,719
Speaker 5: gotta players around.

1753
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 3: That was fun.

1754
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: That was a very lively conversation. I enjoyed all of that.

1755
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 3: Fred. When we get closer to the draft, we're going

1756
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 3: to do a seven round nock. Is everybody good for that?

1757
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: I'm so ry.

1758
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 3: I have my prereating before. Yeah, I'm excited for that.

1759
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 3: We'll do that probably the week of the draft. Yeah,

1760
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 3: I think we'll just we'll just really go into that's tough. Yeah,

1761
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 3: we'll be way wrong. We'll be so wrong.

1762
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 2: But like all mock drafters are wrong. Yeah, all mock

1763
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 2: draft is a wrong.

1764
01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 4: If any of us, either of these my drafts, get

1765
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 4: one player right, I feel like we'll all win, that's true.

1766
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: I mean up a volume, then do more a week,

1767
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: just make sure we get them all right.

1768
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 3: The opportunity. Well, the point of this exercise is not

1769
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 3: to get it right. It's to show the possibilities that

1770
01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 3: are endless. Yeah, endless for us right now. So trading

1771
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 3: up to number one, that's what could happen, Probably won't

1772
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 3: straight down and.

1773
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 2: It with justin fields.

1774
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 3: You never know, we never know. Maybe we should do

1775
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 3: that next time, I never know. That was a good

1776
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 3: leg and you want to send us off, Yeah, thanks.

1777
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: For joining us. And that's it.

1778
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 3: H m hmmmmmmmm