1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: stories we're following today. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: We begin with Apple, still dealing with the fallout from 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: China's plans to expand its iPhone ban. The company's shares 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: have dropped more than six percent over the past two days, 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: wiping out one hundred and ninety billion dollars in value. 8 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: That came after reports China plans to go beyond banning 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: iPhones for government workers to include employees of state owned companies. 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: All this just days before Apple's latest product launch that's 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: coming up on Tuesday, as the iPhone maker looks to 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: reignite slowing smartphone sales. Alec Young is MAP Signals chief 13 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: investment strategist. He says there's a broader threat spooking investors. 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 3: There's no question that part of the negative inferences that 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 3: are swirling around right now is this idea that Apple 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 3: gets caught up in a nationalist rivalry between the US 17 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: and China. If iPhones, for example, were to become stigmatized 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: throughout Chinese society over the next few months to the 19 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 3: point that it depressed demand, those types of narratives inevitably 20 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 3: are popping into investors' minds right now. 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: Alec Young of mapp Signal says, so far the ban 22 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: only affects a little more than one percent of iPhone 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: units in China, and checking shares of Apple this morning, 24 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: they are little changed. 25 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 4: Man. 26 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 2: That's not the only smartphone news coming out of Asia 27 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: and Nathan. The US government has begun an official probe 28 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 2: into an advanced mate in China ship and Huawei's latest smartphone. 29 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: The Commerce Department says it's we're going to get more 30 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: information on a purported AS seven and nanimeter processor discovered 31 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: in the mid sixty pro The chip is made by 32 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: China's Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation, which, like Huawei, is blacklisted 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: in the US. The Biden administration is trying to limit 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: sales of advanced semiconductors to China, and this could prompt 35 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 2: the tightening or expanding of existing restrictions. 36 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: Well, Karen, US China relations do remain chilly. As President 37 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: Biden heads to the G twenty summit in India to meet. 38 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 5: With world leaders. 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: One of the leaders he won't meet with is Chinese 40 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: Vice Premier Lie Chiang, who is attending the G twenty 41 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: in place of China's president, she Jenping, she won't be there, 42 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: neither will Russian President Vladimir Putin. Instead, the Chinese president 43 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: is hosting the leaders of two heavily indebted nations next week, 44 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: the presidents of Zambia and Venezuela. 45 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: Well Nathan joining President Biden in New Delhi. Treasury Secretary 46 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: Jennet Yellen, she spoke ahead of the summit, saying she's 47 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: been surprised by the strength of global growth and Yellen 48 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: also discussed China's recent economic challenges. 49 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 6: So see China's growth as slowing over time. That said, 50 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 6: China has quite a bit of policy space to address 51 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 6: these challenges, so we're monitoring the situation. I don't see 52 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 6: it as having very significant direct impact on the United States. 53 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: Treasury Secretary Jenet Yellen also pledged further financial assistance for 54 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: Ukraine and says the US we'll look to you strengthen 55 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: times with India. Yellen will join President Biden at a 56 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: meeting with Indian Prime Minister and Narendra Mody today. 57 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: Well, meanwhile, back at home, Karen, we're monitoring FED speak 58 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: for clues about the path of interest rates. In Florida yesterday, 59 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: Atlanta Fed President Rafael Bostik said, rate hikes need time 60 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: to work their way through the economy. 61 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 7: I'm grateful to say is that we've seen inflation come down. 62 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 7: I feel like we're in restrictive space now and now 63 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 7: we just need to let that restriction play out and 64 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 7: let it bring inflation, continue to bring inflation down to 65 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 7: get back into the range of our target. 66 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: In addition to Brafielbostik, we heard exclusively from New York 67 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: FED President John Williams, who discussed monetary policy with Bloomberg's 68 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: Michael McKee. 69 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 8: You know, things are moving in the right direction. We've 70 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 8: got policy in a good place, but we're going to 71 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 8: need to continue to be data dependent, watch the developments 72 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 8: and assess what we need to do. 73 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: And Fed officials to get a key piece of data 74 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: next week with the August Consumer Price Index on Wednesday. 75 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: Listen to our full conversation with New York Fed President 76 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: John Williams on the Bloomberg Talks podcasts wherever you get 77 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: your podcasts. 78 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: Well as the US deals with unprecedented temperatures this summer, Nathan, 79 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: we're following the heat crisis in the South. It's a 80 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: US declared to power emergency in Texas, and Bloomberg's d 81 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 2: Maxter has the story. 82 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 9: The declaration is an attempt to help keep power on 83 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 9: midst the brutal heat wave this week. It will allow 84 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 9: the grid operator to wave some air pollution limits so 85 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 9: generators can produce more power. The Energy Department says the 86 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 9: expected loadstress caused by the current extreme heat event threatens 87 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 9: to cause loss of power to homes and local businesses 88 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 9: in areas that might be affected by kurtailments, presenting a 89 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 9: risk to public health and safety. The declaration is in 90 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 9: effect until nine local time tonight. I'm at Baxter Bloomberg. 91 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: Radio, Okay, and thanks on Wall Street. Goldman Sachs maybe 92 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: planning to dismiss underperforming workers as soon as next month. 93 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: That's according to the Financial Times. It says it's part 94 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: of the bank's annual Staff Evalue EI. The sources say 95 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: reductions will be at the lower end of Goldman's usual 96 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: range of one to two five percent workforce cuts. 97 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 5: Well. 98 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 2: Speaking of Goldman and Nathan, the bank's CEO, David Solomon 99 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 2: is responding to recent negative news coverage of his leadership 100 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: style and management of the firm. In a conversation with CNBC, 101 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: the Goldman CEO said he does not recognize the caricature 102 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: that's been painted of him in the press. A handful 103 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: of Goldman partners have left the firm over the past months, 104 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 2: with at least five exiting in one week alone this summer. 105 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 2: Solomon called the volume of partner exits absolutely typical, and 106 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: time now for look at some of the other stories 107 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: making news around the world. For that, we're joined by 108 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Amy Morris say, good morning. 109 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 5: Good morning, Karen. 110 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 10: About two out of every three Democratic voters say they'd 111 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 10: rather see a different nominee than President Biden. This new 112 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 10: CNN poll says sixty seven percent of left leaning voters 113 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 10: would like the party to nominate someone else. 114 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 5: That's up from fifty four percent. 115 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 10: In March, FBI Director Christopher Ray sounded off on a 116 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 10: number of issues during an event called Spy Chat at 117 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 10: the International Spy Museum in Washington, DC. Ray spoke about 118 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 10: the future of the FBI's cyber defense capabilities. 119 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 4: If you look at our exposure as a country, something 120 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 4: like eighty percent of our critical infrastructures in the hands 121 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 4: of the private sector. It's our critical infrastructure the bad 122 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 4: guys are. 123 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 10: After FBI director Christopher Ray says tech companies should try 124 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 10: collaborating more with the federal government on security matters. The 125 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 10: dissent is growing louder to Senator Tommy Turberville's blockade of 126 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 10: military promotions over a Pentagon policy allowing travel for military 127 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 10: members seeking abortions or other reproductive healthcare. Bloomberg's Nancy Lyons 128 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 10: has the very latest. 129 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 11: Senator Tommy Tubberville is brushing off criticisms over his hold 130 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 11: on roughly three hundred military promotions. 131 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 5: They're already doing the job. 132 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 4: It's just they've got interim on their name. 133 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 5: There's no threat to readiness. 134 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 11: But retired Major General Old Panaro tells Bloomberg sound on Tubberville, 135 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 11: who once coached Auburn football, is playing into the hands 136 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 11: of the opponent. 137 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: If his first string quarterback was ready to play, he 138 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: would not put his four string quarterback in against Alabama. 139 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: Well, that's what we're doing right now Visa Beachina, North Korea, and. 140 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 11: Iran in Washington, Nancy Lyons Bloomberg Radio. 141 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 10: The new head of the CDC says COVID nineteen is 142 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 10: here to stay. Doctor Mandy Cohen recommends masking social distancing 143 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 10: into other measures and says a new booster will be 144 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 10: available as soon as next week. Now, a bill to 145 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 10: ban federal mask mandates is coming up short in the Senate. 146 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 5: Ohio Republican JD. 147 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 10: Vance argues that children can't go through another mask mandate. 148 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 12: We know that a generation of school children have suffered 149 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 12: significant speech and developmental disabilities because this country panicked instead 150 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 12: of using its brain and force toddlers and small children 151 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 12: to wear masks. 152 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 10: Vance attempted to pass that bill by unanimous consent, but 153 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 10: the move was blocked by Massachusetts Democrat Ed Markey. Global 154 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 10: News twenty four hours a day, powered by more than 155 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 10: twenty seven hundred journalists and analysts in more than one 156 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 10: hundred twenty countries. 157 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: I'm Amy Morris. This is Bloomberg Karen. All right, Amy, 158 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: thank you. It's time now for the Bloomberg Sports updates. 159 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: And here's John stash Hour, John Karen. 160 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 13: Opening night of the NFL, the Lions visiting the Chiefs, 161 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 13: whose fans celebrated last year's Super Bowl victory. Detroit finished 162 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 13: last season strong, had a ninety one yard touchdown drive, 163 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 13: took the lead in the first quarter. 164 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 5: Trailed at the half, the game turned in the third 165 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 5: quarter Mahomes out of the gun. He's got it. Wants 166 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 5: to throw Mahomes back throws it is equal. Please sick off. 167 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: TikTok by the Alliance five branch with it left side. 168 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 13: He's gone, baby, He's doing the house touchdown. 169 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: Detroit Lyons deflected the air, Branch ran under it. 170 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 5: And he took it all the way back. 171 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 13: Brion's radio had the call Bryan Branch are rookie playing 172 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 13: his first game. When David Montgomery scored midway through the 173 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 13: fourth quarter, Detroit top tenans A City in a upset 174 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 13: twenty one to twenty. 175 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 5: The Chiefs had won their last eight season openers. 176 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 13: Latest NFL player to get a mega contract Cincinnati quarterback 177 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 13: Joe Burrow on the eve of Week one. Five years, two, 178 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 13: one hundred and seventy five million, so fifty five million 179 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 13: a year with two hundred and nineteen million guaranteed. He's 180 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 13: an Ohio native and has resurrected the Bengals. Team US 181 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 13: opened Coco GoF into the women's singles finals. 182 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 5: She blew six match points but pulled. 183 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 13: Out a victory over Carolina and mohovera six y four 184 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 13: seven to five Coco seventeen and one. This summer on 185 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 13: hard courts, and in the finals shell Play Arena Sabalanca. 186 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 13: She lost the first set to Madison Keys at love, 187 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 13: but then won the second and third sets, both in tiebreakers. 188 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 5: John Stansh Edward Bloomberg. 189 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 4: Sports from coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, 190 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 4: Boston to Washington, DC, nationwide on SIRISXAM, the Bloomberg Business 191 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 4: app in Bloomberg dot com. This is Bloomberg Day Break. 192 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 5: Good morning. I'm Nathan Hager. 193 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: What's good for the economy apparently is bad for the market. 194 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: Strong economic data spooked investors this week with speculation that 195 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: rates may need to stay higher for longer. Further softening 196 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: in the US economy leaves the path of rate hikes uncertain. 197 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: Between now and the next FED meeting, we'll get more 198 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: data as well as more Fed speak, and we're getting 199 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: some of that now. 200 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 5: In an exclusive. 201 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: Conversation between Bloomberg's Michael McKee and New York Fed President 202 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: John Williams, they spoke at a moderated discussion at the 203 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Market Forum. Let's go to that conversation. 204 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 8: Here's how I see things now. You'll obviously always focused 205 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 8: on our dual mandate maximum employment and price stability. Inflation 206 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 8: is far too high. But that said, inflation is moving 207 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 8: in the right direction. We're seeing the imbalances in the 208 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 8: labor market which were really quite pronounced last year. They've 209 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 8: been closing job job open have been coming down, the 210 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 8: quit rates coming down, the hiring rate in the markets 211 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 8: coming down. So we're seeing movement in the right direction 212 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 8: of bringing supplying demand back into balance, seeing inflation come 213 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 8: back towards our two percent long run goal. 214 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 11: And we've done a lot. 215 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 8: I think everyone knows you know here in this room, 216 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 8: and we raise raised significantly over the last year and 217 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 8: a half or so, and we've gotten it to a 218 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 8: restrictive stand. So my answer to the question is, right now, 219 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 8: I think we've gotten MANTE policy in a very good 220 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 8: place in terms of we have a restrictive stance of policy. 221 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 8: It is doing having the desired effects of bringing demand 222 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 8: and supply more into balance. We're seeing inflation move in 223 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 8: the right direction, but we'll have to watch the going forward. 224 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 8: We'll have to keep watching the data carefully analyzing all 225 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 8: of that and really asking ourselves the question, is this 226 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 8: sufficiently restrictive? Do we need to maybe raise rates again? 227 00:11:55,679 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 8: To make sure that we're keeping that steady progress terms 228 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 8: of getting imbalances, you know, shrinking balances in the labor 229 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 8: market and bring inflation back down. So right now, I think, 230 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 8: you know, things are moving in the right direction. We've 231 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 8: got policy in a good place, but we're going to 232 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 8: need to continue to be data dependent, watch the developments 233 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 8: and assess what we. 234 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 4: Need to do. 235 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 5: How do you know you're restrictive? 236 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 14: What metric do you use? 237 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 8: Let's see how long did it take to get to 238 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 8: our star? Okay, so the you know, I think there's 239 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 8: it's there's no right answer to that question. I think 240 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 8: you know. The way I think about it is really 241 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 8: in terms of real interest rates as a Fed funds 242 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 8: rate or more broadly, you know, uh, you know, treasury 243 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 8: yields relative to expected inflation. So you know, depending how 244 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 8: you measure it, you look at it, real rates are 245 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 8: you know, well above zero, you know, moving you know, 246 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 8: somewhere between one and two percent, and that seems to 247 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 8: be above typical estimates of the long run neutual real 248 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 8: interest rate. And I think the other way you see 249 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 8: it is a little bit of in what we're seeing 250 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 8: in the economy. Right so we are seeing demand and 251 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 8: in the labor market come down according to a lot 252 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 8: of different measures. We are seeing other kind of signs 253 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 8: that the economy is moving imbalance as an economy coming down. 254 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 8: So I think the two things. One is kind of 255 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 8: like where's our versus our star? That's one way to 256 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 8: think of it. But the other is what are we 257 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 8: seeing happening in the economy. Now there's a second test. 258 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 8: There's kind of the are we restrictive? And the second 259 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 8: is are we are we sufficiently restrictive to really make 260 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 8: sure that we're bringing inflation sustainably down to two percent 261 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 8: and getting the job done? So, you know, I have 262 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 8: to I think it's pretty clear we're restrictive. Still an 263 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 8: open question as we go forward, and have we got 264 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 8: sufficiently restrictive to. 265 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 14: Achieve that we'll get to our star when we get 266 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 14: to a Tom called it the ecobabble part of our 267 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 14: conversation here. But first, you have raise rates eleven times, 268 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 14: you've gone up to five and a half percent top range, 269 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 14: but unemployment remains extraordinarily low, and we are seeing signs 270 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 14: of the economy accelerating. Now, so do you really think 271 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 14: you're sufficiently restrictive? 272 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think, first of all, in the 273 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 8: unemployment rate has been relatively steady over the last year 274 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 8: or so. It's it's fluctuating between three point four and 275 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 8: three point eight percent where it is today, and I 276 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 8: think it's a signing that well, clearly we're not moving, 277 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 8: you know, significantly to more imbalanced and unemployment even lower. 278 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 8: Normally have we seen the clear signs of unemployment moving 279 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 8: you know, significantly up. But I do think it's a 280 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 8: unique time, right because if you look at the unemployment rate, 281 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 8: it seems to kind of get to a minimum value 282 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 8: of around three point four percent, kind of get there, 283 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 8: but then these other indicators have been shifting. So I 284 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 8: think what we've seen in the labor market is demand 285 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 8: exceed supply. It's not showing up as much in the 286 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 8: unemployment rate continuing to go down, but just showing up 287 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 8: in these other things like job vacancy, is quit race, 288 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 8: things like that. So to me, the things I'm focused 289 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 8: on is really are we seeing the demand and caters 290 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 8: supply and becares move together. 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