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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wellness on Mess. I'm doctor Nicole Staffire and

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Speaker 1: today's episode I am so excited for. It's one I

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Speaker 1: believe is going to resonate deeply with many of you.

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Speaker 1: My guest is Scott Adams, creator of the legendary Dilbert

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Speaker 1: comic strip, social commentator, and someone who has really just

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Speaker 1: spent decades helping us laugh at the quirks of I

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Speaker 1: don't know, just modern day life. But today Scott is

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Speaker 1: also going to join me in a bit of a

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Speaker 1: different role, that of a patient navigating one of the

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Speaker 1: most challenging diagnoses a man can face stage four prostate cancer.

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Speaker 1: Like he has for decades before, he has been strikingly

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Speaker 1: open about his journey, whether it's his pain, his choices,

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Speaker 1: and even his experiments with unproven treatments. We're going to

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Speaker 1: get into all of this now. His response to conventional therapies,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe may make you think about some of

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Speaker 1: these things. But today Scott joins me in a bit

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Speaker 1: of a different role, that of a patient navigating one

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Speaker 1: of the most challenging diagnoses a man can face, stage

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Speaker 1: four prostate cancer. Now, Scott, you know, unsurprisingly because we've

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Speaker 1: known him to be this way for decades. He's being

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Speaker 1: strikingly open about his journey, about his choices, his pain,

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Speaker 1: his experiments with unproven treatments, and his response to some

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Speaker 1: of these therapies. He's going to talk about all of

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Speaker 1: this with us, and he's also spoken candidly about physician

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Speaker 1: assisted dying, a topic that he has long advocated for.

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Speaker 1: In this conversation, we are going to go well beyond

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Speaker 1: the medicine. We're going to talk about resilience, decision making,

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Speaker 1: and truly how facing mortality can reshape one's view of life,

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Speaker 1: their creativity and legacy. And don't worry, We're not only

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Speaker 1: going to be talking about cancer. I'm going to ask

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Speaker 1: him about a whole bunch of things, including his predictions

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Speaker 1: for the next presidential election, because if you have been

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Speaker 1: followed him, he certainly has opinions on these, and his

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Speaker 1: opinions tend to be true. I also want to ask

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Speaker 1: him a little bit about RFK Junior and the MAHA movement.

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Speaker 1: So my goal here is not only to give listeners

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Speaker 1: Scott to share in his own words, the wisdom and

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Speaker 1: hopefully some humor that he's finding in the hardest, maybe

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Speaker 1: the hardest season of his life. Scott, I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: to have you on Wellness on Mass with me today.

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Speaker 1: You know, for our listeners, I want to give them

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Speaker 1: a little bit of background. You and I first connected

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Speaker 1: conflicting opinions and voices, often on a lot of issues.

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Speaker 1: You and I seem to land in a space that

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Speaker 1: was pretty much in unison. You know, we ask some

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable questions. Sometimes I don't think people can really tell

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Speaker 1: we agreed with the mainstream media narrative and other times

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Speaker 1: we were absolutely against it. But we both tried to

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Speaker 1: that initial connection led to some more conversations, and it's

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I wanted to have you

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Speaker 1: on today and just so happy that you're here. In

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Speaker 1: honor of you, I did prepare a cup of coffee

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Speaker 1: for this conversation because I can't imagine having a conversation

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Speaker 1: with you without coffee, So cheers to you.

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Speaker 2: Well, all I have is water. We can do.

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Speaker 1: Cultivation is a good thing. I've been hydrating all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Let's fast forward to now a few years later. World

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Speaker 1: obviously looks very different, yet kind of a lot of

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Speaker 1: things are still the same. We're still dealing with truth

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Speaker 1: in medicine or media, trust and institution and the balance

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Speaker 1: between science, freedom and public health, all of that. You know,

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Speaker 1: I just want to I have so much I want

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'll tell you the biggest thing they've changed is

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Speaker 2: the public's trust in all things expert and it goes beyond,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a reproducibility problem. So I think that's the

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Speaker 1: Yeah you know. I mean you said before that COVID

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know, I used to think that people wouldn't

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Speaker 2: But there was just something about the whole pandemic experience

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Speaker 1: Well, it certainly felt like the pharmaceutical companies had mouthpieces,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember there was one point during the pandemic

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Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, I had some off the record conversations with

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Speaker 1: There was no conversation around it, and so I think

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Speaker 1: But honestly, I don't want to dwell on COVID because

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Speaker 2: So we seem to have taken a bad situation and

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I agree with that, but I honestly

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Speaker 1: And maybe that's a good thing because you're not so

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Speaker 2: Definitely, because you needed not only the commitment and the dedication,

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Speaker 2: some testosterone blockers and learned that all my paid went away,

435
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 2: all my symptoms just went away.

436
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: You just you just unleashed so much there. I want

437
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: to go back. You took the testosterone blockers, meaning I

438
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: guess that means you are hormone sensitive, right, your hormone

439
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: Your cancer was similar to Joe Biden. Stage four is

440
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: not curable. We know that, but for some you can

441
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: live with it. It's not necessarily you're going to die tomorrow.

442
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: Why did it take you so long to start the

443
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: testo's phone blockers that ultimately provide relief.

444
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you an honest answer, which I

445
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: don't know that I've said to anybody before. I didn't

446
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: want to die twice. And if you're if you're a man,

447
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: and you turn off your testosterone and the presumption is

448
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: it's not coming back. I mean I could get it

449
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: back if I stopped the pills, but it wouldn't help.

450
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: I'm not really the same person. It's very obvious to me,

451
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 2: and it's even been obvious to other people. I essentially

452
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: turned off the male part of my poormonal existence. To me,

453
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 2: that's dying because I'm just not the person I always was,

454
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: and I can feel the difference. Now. It's not as

455
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: bad I thought it would be, not nearly as bad.

456
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: So if you're listening to this, the thing you don't

457
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: realize until you do it is that once you've removed

458
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: your libido and you've removed your test suscerone, you're just

459
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: a different person. But if that person is okay, it's

460
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: not so bad. I mean, I wake up in the

461
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: morning and I play with my new cats that I got,

462
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: which is probably because I have no test sascerone anymore.

463
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 2: And I haven't been irrationally angry at anybody for weeks,

464
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, oh, I'm usually irrationally angry as somebody.

465
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 2: There's usually something that's making me yellow, get canceled, or

466
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 2: some damn thing. But now I was just kind of mellow.

467
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's because the lack of

468
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: test usterone, but I am a different person. I've described

469
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: it as being like being in a video game where

470
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: I died and then I on the back as a

471
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: different character that's in the same movie, the same game,

472
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: but I'm just now a different character playing slightly different role.

473
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: I've actually never heard it described that way, and I

474
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: appreciate that because my day job is diagnosing cancer, specifically

475
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: breast cancer. I see men with prostate cancer coming in

476
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: for their mammograms because a lot of them have to

477
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: go on anti hormone therapy and it does cause them

478
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: to have their breast tissue hypertrophy and grow, so we

479
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: also screen them for breast cancer because prostate cancer and

480
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 1: breast cancer on the same gene. And I know people

481
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: feel similar to the way you do. It's for some

482
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, it means walking their daughter down the aisle,

483
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: seeing grandchildren, you know, hanging with their friends, their cats.

484
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: Were you a cat person before the TESTOS.

485
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but I feel like I'm more of a

486
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: cat person now. I feel like it took it up

487
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: about forty so.

488
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: But you said something very honest that you were not

489
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: just considering. I mean, you were well on your way

490
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Speaker 1: to physician assisted suicide because the pain was so much.

491
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Speaker 1: You live in one of the few states where that's legal,

492
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Speaker 1: And what was that thought process for you.

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00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: Like, well, first of all, I was one of the

494
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: advocates for getting that law passed, so I did some

495
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: public work to try to make sure that that didn't

496
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: get passed, because I always imagined I might need the

497
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: option that was part of it as my needed for myself.

498
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: And the pain makes it easy. You say to yourself,

499
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: it's going to be hard to make that decision, but

500
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: not if you wake up in pain. You're in pain

501
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: all day and you go to sleep in pain and

502
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: it doesn't look like tomorrow is going to be any better,

503
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: probably worse, because that's the nature of it. But once

504
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 2: the pain went away, and it only took a week

505
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: being on the testosterone blockers, all the pain in my

506
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: body went a way. I've got some other issues I

507
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: just got scanned, and there's some other troubling things happening

508
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: inside my body, but at the moment, no pain. So

509
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 2: I just have an ordinary day.

510
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: More coming up on wellness Unmasked with doctor Nicole Sapphire,

511
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: so other things popping up on scans, like hopefully I'm

512
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: sure if you don't want to share them right now,

513
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: but when we.

514
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Speaker 2: Start any details. Yeah, I just know there's some irregularities

515
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: there that are probably cancer related, but I don't know.

516
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 2: I'll find out his name tomorrow.

517
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Speaker 1: I'm going to hope it's an incidental loma, as we

518
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: call it, and maybe nothing, but.

519
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: There's a name for that. Incidental loma.

520
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: Yes, incidental loma, the random things we find when we're

521
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: imaging people for other things. It's a real thing.

522
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly why I didn't want to get scanned.

523
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, they're going to find something. They're definitely going

524
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: to find something, so we'll see how that goes.

525
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: You decided to try You said you didn't want to

526
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: do the radiation and surgery and chemo and whatnot, but

527
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: you did try some of the anti parasitics that you

528
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: know that you see people talking about, like ivermectin and

529
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: the bendazole to and trust me, I have patients coming

530
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: in saying that they're trying it. What was your thought

531
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: process on using those?

532
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: Well, let me let me do a magic trick and

533
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: I will read your mind, and I can tell that

534
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: none of the people who are your patients who tried

535
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: it had a good result. How did I do?

536
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have not I right. I mean, I've seen

537
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people on social media say their cancer

538
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: is cured, but I myself have never seen it in

539
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: the every day that I see patients with cancer.

540
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: It is what I call the one patient problem that

541
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: you've You've probably seen five different reports about the guy

542
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: who was cured using those drugs, and then you you

543
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: chase it back and it's that one guy, and you

544
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: can't really find out everything you need to know about

545
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: that one guy. But I suspect he might have been

546
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: on testosterone up the blockers, and maybe he just had

547
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: the same ores I did. I mean, if I had

548
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 2: taken I've remacin them at the same time I took

549
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: the testosterone blockers, I would have imagined they worked sured me. Yeah,

550
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: so it's the first thing I tried because it wouldn't

551
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: hurt me, and there were some positive anecdotal reports, and

552
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: I thought, well, you know, I'll try it first. And

553
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: my PSA just went through the roof while I was

554
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: on it, so I got off of that and tried

555
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: a different route.

556
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the reality is a lot of those

557
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: studies looking at those anti parasitics were done in places

558
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: where parasite load is very high, and there are reports

559
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: that cancer patients that are on them they're doing better.

560
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: It's like, well, yeah, if you have a high parasitic

561
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: load and you have these parasites who are just feeding

562
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: off the nutril of your body, your body well doesn't

563
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: have the same tools to fight the cancer. So in

564
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: addition to standard therapy, if you want to try some

565
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: anti parasitics, I'm all for it. I probably would too,

566
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: to be honest, if I have cancer and I'm looking

567
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: at my life and I'm going to do everything I can.

568
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: The problem I have is when people say that this

569
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 1: is the cure, all, I'm going to ignore everything else

570
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: despite all of the data showing it may work despite

571
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: potential side effects. You know, I'm okay with trying it

572
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: for sure, and I think probably we all could probably

573
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: benefit from doing a dose of an anti parasitic If

574
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: if you're a media you're like I am.

575
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: If that had worked and I had actually cured my

576
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: incurable cancer with it, the next thing I would do

577
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: is I would be all over television. I would have

578
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: my medical records printed out, and I would have my

579
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: doctor sitting next to me and saying, all right, ask

580
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: my doctor this is real. Here it is, Here's what

581
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: I did, Here's how I got Because how in the

582
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: world do you not fax everybody else if it works

583
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: and you have the experience. I mean, it's not like

584
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: you have to be a doctor. If you had an

585
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: incurable cancer and you cured it, I mean you could

586
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: test to make sure that it was cured. I would

587
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: tell everybody, and I would make that my life's work

588
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: from that point on. But I also looked around and

589
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: I said, am I the only person who would do that?

590
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: That all the other people are trying it? Because you know,

591
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: there were just tens of thousands of people who tried it.

592
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: By now not a single person got the cure. And

593
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: then said, I got to tell everybody about this. So

594
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: here's my medical record, here's my doctor asked me any

595
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: question you want. So the lack of that was kind

596
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: of obvious.

597
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I know everybody's wanting to cure. Everyone's wanting

598
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: to get away from some of the traditional cancer agents.

599
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: I get it, We're working on it so there are

600
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: fewer side effects. I don't think this is going this

601
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: is this is not the cancer cure all. But again,

602
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: maybe an anti parasitic should be added. To the regiment.

603
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: They would help a lot of us who maybe have

604
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: some level of parasite load.

605
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: I know I got rid of by parasites. My parasites.

606
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 2: They didn't have a chance chance.

607
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: So a lot of people know you well. I mean

608
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: I know you mostly from the last decade of your life,

609
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: but initially, I mean you became a household name from

610
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: the Dilbert comics. Do you do you still draw and write?

611
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? I got canceled from all proper newspapers, but it

612
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: was right at this time. I wanted to retire anyway,

613
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: And for me, retirement doesn't mean not working. I can't

614
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: really even imagine that world. For me, retirement meant doing

615
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: what I wanted when I wanted to, and you know,

616
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: there might be some money involved. So I still do

617
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: to the comic I've never missed a day, So even

618
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: when I got canceled, continued every day. But it was

619
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: behind a subscription wall. So now you'd have to go

620
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: to locals or you would have to be on X

621
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: and subscribe to it, and you can still see it.

622
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: So now that it's subscription only, I get to do

623
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: the naughty stuff that I couldn't do in the newspapers. Yeah,

624
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: it was really restrictive. You had to be just family

625
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: rated g rated, and now I can go you know, PG. Thirteen.

626
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 2: It makes allle difference.

627
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: It's a differences altered your creative process at all?

628
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: Probably not, yeah, not really. I run for the people

629
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 2: who subscribe, I showed them the comic I drew exactly

630
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: ten years before the date I published the new one,

631
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: so you can see what I used to look like

632
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: and what I look like today, ten year difference. And

633
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: I always check them to see did I used to

634
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: be funny but now I'm not? Because you know I would.

635
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: Nobody's going to tell you your Your friends are not going

636
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: to say, oh, you know, I meant to tell you.

637
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: I noticed you used to be good at this, but

638
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: now you're not. Now you're old, so they're not going

639
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: to do that. So you have to sort of monitor

640
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: yourself as far as I can tell about the same

641
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: as I was. But sometimes it's funnier because I could

642
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: do more topics now than I used to be able

643
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: to with.

644
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: You've obviously had some very serious internal reflection facing mortality recently,

645
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: even having the medications at the pharmacy waiting for you.

646
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: If when you're thinking about that, what would you kind

647
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: of want just reflecting back on your decades on decades

648
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: of accomplishments, what do you want your readers, your listeners,

649
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: just everyone to remember most about you and your work.

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Speaker 2: Well, when I was in college, I thought I was

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Speaker 2: going to be a lawyer, and I was sort of

652
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Speaker 2: pre law in my mind anyway, And at one point

653
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: I realized that lawyers are sort of a win lose situation.

654
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: You know, if you win as a lawyer, probably the

655
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Speaker 2: other team lost. And I thought, I don't really want

656
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Speaker 2: to be in a situation where anybody loses because of

657
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Speaker 2: something I did. So I thought, wouldn't it better to

658
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Speaker 2: do something like entertainment where people can ignore you or

659
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Speaker 2: they can have fun with it, but everybody wins. There's

660
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: no loser in that transaction. So, you know, doing a

661
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 2: cartoon fit my needs very well. But at one point

662
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Speaker 2: I got divorced my first step two. And if you're

663
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: if you have a step kids, which I did, you

664
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Speaker 2: lose everything at the same time because there's step kids.

665
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Speaker 2: You know, it's not like they're shared custody or anything

666
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: like that. So your life just blows up. And I

667
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 2: realized I had no purpose, like i'd wake up and

668
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 2: I think, well, I can make money and I can

669
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Speaker 2: do this fun thing, but why, like, what's my purpose?

670
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: And so I actually said out loud by myself that

671
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: I was donating myself to the world and that I

672
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: would just instead of working for the benefit of a

673
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Speaker 2: family unit, I would try to help as many people

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Speaker 2: as I could with whatever gifts I had. So that's

675
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: when I wrote my book. I had it, failed almost

676
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: everything and still went big, which has become quite influential

677
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: in the self help domain. And the books that followed

678
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: had the same quality, which is is going to make

679
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: your life better if you pay attention. And when people

680
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 2: found out by diagnosis, thousands of people reached out and

681
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: they said some version of because of you, I quit drinking,

682
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: or because of you, I lost eighty pounds. Because of you,

683
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: I got a promotion, I got married, I've got two

684
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Speaker 2: great kids now, and apparently I've a bunch of medical

685
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: problems that I didn't even know about. People had met problem,

686
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 2: people had mental problems, et cetera. And they were saying,

687
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: you changed my life. And I thought to myself, that's

688
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: that's what I was trying to do. You know, I

689
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: dedicated my life to doing that, and people told me

690
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: it worked, and I wouldn't have known if I hadn't

691
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: had the diagnosis that caused people to come out and

692
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: reach out. So I had a feeling of calm, meaning

693
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: that I felt like I'd done what I needed to do,

694
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: and then if I could give myself a report card,

695
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: it would look pretty good. It would be mostly a's,

696
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 2: and I thought, you know, I'm comfortable leaving them to

697
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: this situation. I got mostly a's self graded, but I

698
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: seem to have helped enough people that that was worth

699
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 2: me being here. And it was true tmendously satisfying. It's

700
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Speaker 2: hard to explain.

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Speaker 1: I wish for anyone who's dealing with anything that they

702
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: get to that place in their life where they actually

703
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: can feel, not that they're ready to die, but satisfied

704
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: with where they are in their life. And I think

705
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: in today's environment, so many people are always going, going, going,

706
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: grass is always greener, never satisfied. That's a pretty amazing feeling.

707
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Speaker 1: One of the people who did reach out to you,

708
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I reached out to you, but also

709
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: President Trump reached out to you.

710
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: What was that, Yeah, Yeah, one day I was sending

711
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 2: in my kitchen just doing my drawing, and the phone rings,

712
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: and I didn't recognize the phone number, some Florida Palm

713
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: Spring's phone number, and I thought, I'll let that go

714
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Speaker 2: into voicemail. So I let it go to voicemail. And

715
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: then later I'm like, I better check that, and I

716
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 2: check it, and the voicemail comes on and says, Hi,

717
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: this is your favorite president. I'm looking I'm thinking no

718
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: way away, and then you know, he goes on, you know,

719
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: he heard about my diagnosis and just wanted to talk,

720
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: and then he says, call me back.

721
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: He gave you can share that with them.

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00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: Well, well, he said, call me back on this number,

723
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Speaker 2: you know. So I had the number because he had

724
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: called me, so of course I did not because you don't.

725
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: I mean, well, I thought, you know, that's not a

726
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: sincere offer because he's got lots of stuff to do,

727
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: and even if it's very nice, and even if he

728
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 2: meant it, I'm not going to take his time when

729
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: he's you know, ending wars and trying to deal with

730
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Speaker 2: tariffs and everything. So I didn't. Several hours later, the

731
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: phone rings again. He called me back. He called me back,

732
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at it and I'm like, no way

733
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: no way, And sure enough it was President Trump and

734
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Speaker 2: he wished me the best, and UH didn't offer to help.

735
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: He said if he need any help, let me know,

736
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Speaker 2: And I honestly I believe him. It was nothing I

737
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: particularly needed from him. But if there had been some

738
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Speaker 2: company that was blocking me from some achievement or something,

739
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 2: I actually had the feeling that I could call him

740
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: up to say, could you drop a phone call to

741
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: the CEO of this company? And I feel like he

742
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: would have done it. It was a strange he would

743
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: have done it. Yeah, I think he would have. It

744
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: was very nice to call. Well.

745
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Speaker 1: You you have a way with predicting politics. Although you're

746
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: self proclaimed I think libertarian.

747
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: Isn't that the lost Libertarians a little bit too crazy

748
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: for me? I'm more like an independent, you know, I'm

749
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: a registered Democrat. I just like Trump in particularly.

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Speaker 1: Well, you predicted Trump would win his first his first round,

751
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: way before the pollsters caught wind of that freight train

752
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: which was then soon to be President Trump coming. Would

753
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Speaker 1: you have any predictions for the twenty twenty eight election,

754
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: any idea the candidates?

755
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure it's j D vance.

756
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: And try and stay in office. Hillary thinks he's going to.

757
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: I hope he's just having fun with it, but I

758
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: would not rule out I would not rule out the

759
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: possibility that he's thinking, you know, if something happened, you know,

760
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: something that changed everything. When he was joking about Zelenski

761
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 2: canceling elections, uh, he was joking that, hey, maybe I

762
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 2: could do that too. The fact is, there might be

763
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Speaker 2: some situation, you know, completely unforeseen where even the country

764
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: itself would say, you know what, we can't have an

765
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Speaker 2: election now. We got this big problem we're dealing with.

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Speaker 2: So it's not impossible. But I don't think he's taking

767
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: it too seriously at this point, and I don't think

768
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Speaker 2: his base would be for it unless we were in

769
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Speaker 2: a war, for example, and then they might. They might,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think. I don't think he'll start a

771
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Speaker 2: war to stay in office. I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Me going around, it seems like you think J. D.

773
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Speaker 1: Bance will be the candidate. Is that who you would

774
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Speaker 1: like to see?

775
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, I feel like he's earned it. You know,

776
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: he's he's been a really solid vice president. His communication

777
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: skills are unbelievable, and he doesn't have quite the provocative personality.

778
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: So he's got most of what's going about Trump. You know,

779
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: nobody matches him. He's you know, you can't really compare

780
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: Trump to anybody actually, but he's got enough of the

781
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: good stuff without enough of the provocative stuff that he

782
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: should be able to just slide right in there. So

783
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Speaker 2: I'd be surprised if he lost.

784
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: Who do you think about on the Democrat side?

785
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: I feel so sorry for them. They really have nothing,

786
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: well a little bit, a little bit. They really don't

787
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: have anything. You know, they don't have anything that would

788
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: stand up to Trump. But they also don't have anything

789
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: that would stand up to jd Vance. You know, even

790
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: if you say, well he's only seventy five percent the

791
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 2: power of Trump or whatever you want to put on it,

792
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: I don't think they have anything.

793
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: And what about Gavin Newsom's push on social media right now?

794
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: I feel like Gavin Newsom, they haven't unleashed the full

795
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: what do you call it, the adversarial research. I feel

796
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: like that he's had an interesting life and we're going

797
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: to hear about that. So I don't know.

798
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: It's like that one picture of him with like a

799
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: tiger rug or something in front of him. I think

800
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: I saw something random of all I know is from

801
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Speaker 1: the very basics looking at Gavin Newsom, is there have

802
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: been there's a mass exodus of people leaving California since

803
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,240
Speaker 1: he's been governor, as it's gone into this massive debt,

804
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: and that's who we want to run the whole country like,

805
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: we'll have nowhere to mass exodus to.

806
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine that you can use his record

807
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: as is, you know, you know, stepping zone to the presidency.

808
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: But the only thing he's got is he has the

809
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 2: look and he's got the talk. You know, he looks

810
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: like exactly who you'd expect to be your next president.

811
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Speaker 2: He's got to slick back, Harry. He's tall, he's he's

812
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: got the whole package. But he does have a track

813
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: record I think anybody's going to want to take to

814
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: the national level. I hope.

815
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Speaker 1: Well you heard it here first that Scott Adams predicts

816
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: jd Vance is going to take the twenty twenty eight election.

817
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: I guess we'll have to wait and see, Scott.

818
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: I'll make that, I'll make that an official prediction.

819
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Speaker 1: I like it, Okay, I like it. Do you think

820
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: Ruby is going to be with him? Is he can

821
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: have a running mate?

822
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: I feel like Rubio is really strong player. But it

823
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 2: feels like j D would be a bit of primary,

824
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: so they might they might do a primary, but yeah,

825
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 2: I think JD is going to win.

826
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being so honest with all

827
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Speaker 1: of us and talking about things. I loved your message

828
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Speaker 1: about your diagnosis, I think. I mean, I'm not surprised

829
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: so many people have benefited just from listening to You're

830
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: just so honest with people, and I think that's the

831
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: way forward for us as a society is to just

832
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: continue to be honest with people that what we know,

833
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: what we don't know, and what we're doing and learning ourselves.

834
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Speaker 2: We're trying.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Wellness un Mass. We'll be right back

836
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Speaker 1: with more. I can't again tell you how grateful I

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Speaker 1: am that Scott was able to join Wellness on MASS.

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Speaker 1: I have been a fan of his, I have listened

839
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Speaker 1: to him, I have learned from him, and I was

840
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Speaker 1: just genuinely heartfeld when he came forward and shared his

841
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: diagnosis with everyone, his struggles and the hope sounds that

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00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: he has found along the way. Scott's story is a

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Speaker 1: reminder that health, it's truly truly more than the scans

844
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: more than a diagnosis or your lab values. It's about

845
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Speaker 1: how we choose to live, love and how are we

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