1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Frye. We talked about balloon riots this week. 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: Sure did an episode that was you know, one riot 5 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: was the request. I initially thought that it was going 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: to be about two riots, because the one that was 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: initially requested was one, and then the eighteen sixty four 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: one was the other one that immediately kind of showed 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: up in my preliminary research, and then I was like, oh, 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: there's a lot of them actually, and they all have 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: some striking similarities. And also it seems like everyone who 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: was opening a gardens somewhere that was either part of 13 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: the British Empire or had once been British territory, they 14 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: just all named them after gardens in London. Yeah, yeah, 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: same name, over and over. Yeah. It's that's one of 16 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: those interesting factors to me about early US history is 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 1: that there was so much we are our own new thing. Yeah, 18 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: but everything got named after something in Europe. Yeah yeah, 19 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: not everything, but a lot of things. Yeah. Yeah. It's 20 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: like people like to make fun of how weird. I mean, 21 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 1: not just in Massachusetts, but I feel like Massachusetts gets 22 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: a lot of it. How weird the pronunciation of town 23 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: names are compared to how they are spelled, and they're 24 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,119 Speaker 1: all just pronounced roughly the same way as the same 25 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: spelled town in England. Is like, that's the reason, not 26 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: all of them, but a lot of the times that's 27 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: pretty much the case. I was, of course, reminded of 28 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: various sports related related riots that still happen. Yeah, when 29 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: a team wins something important or loses something important, although 30 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: a lot of times that is more like generic property destruction, 31 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,559 Speaker 1: not chasing after the team that won or lost. To 32 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: set the ball on fire. Yeah, This whole like I'm 33 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: mad at the balloons, so we need to set it 34 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: on fire mentality is one that I just can't grasp. Yeah. Yeah, 35 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: one of the earliest things that we talked about about, 36 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, the balloon launched, happening successfully, but then the 37 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: balloon which did not have a crew on it, kind 38 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: of coming down in a more rural area outside of Paris, 39 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: and then the local people attacking it. Like when I 40 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: saw that, I was like, this to me, does not 41 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: sound like necessarily a real thing that happened. It sounds 42 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: like It might more be a commentary about how whoever 43 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: was writing it thinks that rural people are dummies. But 44 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: the account saying that it was attacked with pitchport like, 45 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: that's pretty consistent. It shows up in several different places, 46 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: and I was like, maybe they really did attack the 47 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: thing that fell out of the sky. I don't know. 48 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: Humans are now in my head after this particular episode. 49 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: I know this intellectually. We have certainly studied the course 50 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: of human history enough to know, but you know that's 51 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: saying and I don't know if it's true that horses 52 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: are always a second away from madness. Sure, humans are 53 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: always a second away from violence. I feel like even 54 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: the most stayed human in the right circumstance will just 55 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: turn into a berserker and start stabbing things and setting 56 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: them on fire. I don't love that no everybody go 57 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: to therapy. I also think, like so often it really 58 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: seems like what like the initial run up to the 59 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: rioting was something involving a combination of boredom and disappointment. 60 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: And I'm sort of like imagining, like if if a 61 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: rain delay during a NASCAR race or a baseball game 62 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: or something suddenly caused the crowd to rush the field 63 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: and like break all the baseball bats or take baseball 64 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: bats to all the race cars. I don't know, right, 65 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: It's it's very weird. It it doesn't quite align with 66 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: I know, like I said, I know, there are still 67 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: things involving sport and spectacle that lead to some kind 68 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: of rioting or vandalism or whatever today. But it just 69 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: like the happening over and over and over in that 70 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: relatively short amount of time. It's just a little odd. 71 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: It is weird. I mean it's interesting too because ballooning 72 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: is in so many instances written about in this very 73 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: romantic kind of way. Right, the freedom of it, the 74 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, sort of surreal experience of taking to the sky, 75 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: and then the flip of that culture is just people 76 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: being like, aw, let's kill it. I I don't know, 77 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. There's an element of like how dare 78 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: you try to do something new and then not succeed 79 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: in it? Yeah, which I don't I'm not a fan 80 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: of obviously, Right. Well, and like we said in the episode, 81 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't like they could go. It wasn't like it 82 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: could be secret. Like even if you had, say a 83 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: farmer had said yeah you can do this in my 84 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: field and the farmer lives somewhere with nobody around, maybe 85 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: you could get the balloon inflated without an audience being there. 86 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: But like then it's in the sky. People are going 87 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: to see it, right, It's going to be obvious, right, 88 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: and if you don't tell them it's going to happen, 89 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: they're going to think that we're being invaded by UFOs. 90 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: Possibly true. Yes, which is what inspired the Balloons of 91 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: World War two episode a couple of years back. Was 92 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: various weather balloons and spy balloons that were spotted and 93 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: raised alarm. Yeah. I mean there are lots of instances 94 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: of those kinds of things happening. Yeah, so you kind 95 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: of have to be public about it, yeah, because you 96 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: will terrify people. Yeah, raise reports of UFA there was 97 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: entertainment in the sky. That would be kind of amazing. 98 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: It would be I also can't help but think of 99 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: eggar all Impoe's balloon hoax. Oh yeah, that came up 100 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: in some of the research that I that was part 101 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: of this, and then I was like, that's a little 102 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: bit more of an aside than I want to include. Yeah. Yeah, which, 103 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: just in case anybody doesn't know he published a story 104 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: in the Sun in New York about claiming that someone 105 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: had crossed the Atlantic in a balloon in three days, right, 106 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: and people went wild. This was like, literally, it would 107 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: be the equivalent of somebody publishing an article tomorrow saying 108 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: I built a jet in my backyard and I flew 109 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: it to Mars. Yeah, and people would be like what 110 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: and that is what happened. And then he had to 111 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: retract it two days later and admit that it was 112 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: a hoax, and then nobody in them so funny. I 113 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: am still also just really stuck on, like thinking of 114 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: trying to have something that seems like a comparable phenomenon. 115 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: You know, there was like the whole Beatlemania phenomenon we 116 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: talked about Liz Domania on the show before, of people 117 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 1: just going absolutely out of their minds over Fran's list. 118 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: But like if it were today, if it were twenty 119 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: twenty five and people were going to like a Taylor 120 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: Swift concert and like the power went out, there was 121 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: no possible way to continue the show as normal. And 122 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: then what if the crowd just like rushed the cy 123 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: stage and destroyed all of the instruments and lighting. Yeah, 124 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: that would be wild and not really what I would 125 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: expect to happen currently in the world. I would totally expect, though, 126 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: people to knock over light poles and toilet paper houses 127 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: and stuff after sports winter loss. Anyway, it happens humans, 128 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: it does happen. Humans made for trouble apparently. Yeah, I 129 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: think we have exhausted all of the allotment of the 130 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: word balloon that could be said in an episode on 131 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: this one episode. That is a word that the more 132 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: you say it, it feels crazier and crazier, like your 133 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: brain goes this not a real word. There was one 134 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: sentence that I think you were you were saying it, 135 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: and I was like, why did I put the word 136 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: balloon so many times close together? Because that's what it's about, Bebby. 137 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: There's so much to talk about this week, because we 138 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: talked about pet inventions, and since you know, we both 139 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: have pets and many people in our listening audience do, 140 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: and we have experienced with lots of these products, plenty 141 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: to discuss. Also, a wild theory I have that has 142 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: absolutely no substance to it other than it occurred to me. OK, 143 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: But we'll talk about the other stuff first. One of 144 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: the things that came up a lot when I was 145 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: researching this in regard to Alan Simon. The last person 146 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: that we talked about who invented the we weie pad 147 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: was that in twenty nineteen, he put his very lavish 148 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: New York home on the market for forty million dollars. Wow. 149 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: And I looked at pictures and I understand and why 150 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: it was forty million dollars, even outside of it being 151 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: a prime location in New York that overlooks Central Park, 152 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: that was a lavishly decorated home. I understand that they 153 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: had to drop the price on it by about thirteen million. 154 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: That was the last thing I saw on it. So 155 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: presumably somebody bought it at like twenty seven million, but 156 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: I don't know for sure. But that's a lot of money. 157 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: But that was a very beautiful space, which I just 158 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: find interesting. He it also speaks to like how popular 159 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: pet products were. Yeah, and he was a very fascinating man. 160 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: Looking at videos with him, he's so interesting because he 161 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: talks like a guy from New York. He's very tan, 162 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: he is very straightforward. The obituary that I read of 163 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: him kind of hinted at how what a sweet man 164 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: he could be and how he was very dedicated to 165 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: his customers and you know, people with pets, but that 166 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: he also really loved business. And I'm like, was he 167 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: kind of like hardcore as a as a deal maker 168 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: but also was personally very sweet because that can certainly happen. 169 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: I just think he seems absolutely delightful. Yeah. Can we 170 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: talk about how ugly most cat trees are? Yo? We 171 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: sure can? That whole like can go with any decor. 172 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: It's elegant and beautiful, and I know there is a 173 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: big movement for like fansy cat trees. Yeah, but it's 174 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: also cat trees, by their nature are just hard to 175 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: be real cute you I don't know if you still 176 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: have but you don't know. Yeah, so you have one 177 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: that used to belong to me. That was a Christmas 178 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: present that was your standard poles wrapped in rope, covered 179 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: in carpet platforms. Cat tree, huge, real big. It's like 180 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: seven feet tall. It's a big one. It's a really 181 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: nice cat tree. So thank you because I still have 182 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: it and it's Marva's favorite place at night. Oh I 183 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, I'm like, how did I even get 184 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: that to my house? Like, I feel like it was 185 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: a Christmas gift for my parents, but then when I 186 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: moved to Massachusetts, there was going to be nowhere to 187 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: put it. Yeah, and like moving it to Massachusetts was 188 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: adding a whole additional thing to the expense of an 189 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: interstate move. And so now it's in my bedroom. Now 190 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: it belongs to Holly. I feel like I should also 191 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: tell you. I don't know if I ever told you this. 192 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: Uh huh. Our cat, Osle, who passed earlier this year, 193 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: up until he was eighteen, one of his favorite things 194 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: was to go to the very top of that cat 195 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: tree and then jump from it the roughly five feet 196 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: to our bed, okay, and just roll around like a 197 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: giggling cat, and wanted to be petty, and he would 198 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: do this over and over. It was his savor exercise 199 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: on her. Yeah. I also had been given that when 200 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: I had three cats, and when I was moving to Massachusetts, 201 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: I only had one cat who was in her elder 202 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: years and did not really use it. So anyway, when 203 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: we were ready to get more cats into our life 204 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: after we lost Cestina, I was looking for number one. 205 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: We had very specific space requirements, like where will a 206 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: cat tree fit? And then I didn't want something that 207 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: was just entirely covered in carpet for like allergen reasons, 208 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: and it took a lot to find something that would work. 209 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: And it is more attractive than a lot of cat 210 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: trees I feel are, But I also sort of felt like, 211 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: at least at that time, which this would have been 212 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, it was the only one that existed 213 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: in the whole world. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing too, 214 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: is that there are, like I said, some very stylish 215 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: looking cat trees. In my experience having shopped for a 216 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: lot of them, they tend to be on the smaller side. 217 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: So if, like us, you have four cats, yeah, that's 218 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: not going to be enough. Yeah. The other thing is 219 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: that we similarly for a while, had all older cats, 220 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: so other than Ozl's dive bomb party, we didn't have 221 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: none of the other cats were really into the cat 222 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: tree situation. They were like, I'm gonna sit on the 223 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: couch or the bed because that seems easy to get 224 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: to and super cozy. But this year, as I have 225 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: mentioned before, we adopted three new cats who are all 226 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: about to turn seven because they're all from the same 227 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: litter and they need more yeah vertical party space. Yeah, 228 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: And so we ended up getting this huge monstrosity of 229 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: a cat tree that is in our kitchen, okay, because 230 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: they our kitchen is kind of I don't know how 231 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: well you remember it, but it's kind of a deepish space, 232 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: and there's a big tree that overlooks or a big 233 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: tree a big window that overlooks our deck at the 234 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: back of the kitchen. And so we were like, you 235 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: know what cats would love is a cat tree here, 236 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: and it may not be the cutest thing on earth, 237 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: but they will love it. Yeah, and they do. Like 238 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: that was a good call because it really helped with 239 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: transitioning them into our household and our other cats not 240 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: feeling like all their stuff got taken over because there 241 00:15:54,280 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: was a new thing. Right, But it's not cute. Buy 242 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: a cute or smaller, gothic y looking one that lives 243 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: in our living room, which is all Halloween all year round. 244 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: But they really prefer the kitchen, the ugly kitchen one, yeah, 245 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: because it's got a million places to go and it's 246 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: tall and they Jesse's big, but Donk doesn't fall out 247 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: of it, yeah, which is a very real, a very 248 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: real problem to solve in many spaces in our house. 249 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: Right Anyway, cat trees, and also big cat tries get 250 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: expensive in our they do. Yeah, yeah, I have sort 251 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: of I've I've I occasionally look around to see if 252 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: there is something specifically taller that would work somewhere in 253 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: our house for our cats. And it's one of those 254 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: things where I kind of idly poke around at it 255 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: and then go, no, I don't really see anything that 256 00:16:50,920 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: would work. But yeah, they can be really real pricey. Yeah. Okay, 257 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: are you ready for my possibly cokammy theory. Yeah, the 258 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: discussion the only reason if it stood out as any 259 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: to anybody as like that's a weird thing to include. Uh, 260 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: But the discussion of ed Low's fallout with his kids huh, 261 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: and the way they described his behavior. Yeah, and the 262 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: fact that he was kind of a crazy cat man, 263 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: by which I mean with love, like the way I 264 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 1: would call myself a crazy cat lady made me go, 265 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: did he have toxoplasmosis? Oh? I mean probably right, because 266 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: for those of you that don't know, if you have 267 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: a cat, you know, uh, toxoplasmosis is caused by a 268 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: parasite called toxoplasma gandhi, very common in cats, very very 269 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: common in cat feces. It's why if you're pregnant, you 270 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: are suggested to not clean the litter box in your 271 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: house because pregnant women are especially prone to contracting it, 272 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: as are people with you know, weakened immune systems. And 273 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, if you're of robust health 274 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: and you know your immune system is fine, you won't 275 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: even show symptoms. You kind of it runs its course 276 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: and you're fine. But there have been some interesting studies 277 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: over the years about the way that people might behave differently. 278 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: There was was It and Wired. There was a huge 279 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: article some years back, like probably a decade ago that 280 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: suggested that some of the things that we consider crazy 281 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: cat lady behavior, the crazy part being what they were 282 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: focused on is actually like a manifestation of toxoplasmosis, that 283 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: it can make you more impulsive, mess with your judgment 284 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: in a way that would benefit the cats, because there 285 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: are a lot of parasites that work that way in 286 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: the natural world, where the parasite will help the host 287 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: animal earth or will help itself by making the host 288 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: animal do a certain behavior. Yeah, and I was like, well, 289 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: and my understanding of toxoplasmosis is that the source of 290 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: it in the cats is really rodents. When cats are 291 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 1: able to catch rodents, and that the toxoplasmosis facilitates that 292 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: by making the mice less fearful, and that makes it 293 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: easier for the cats to catch them and then get 294 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: the taxoplasmosis from them and then spread it in their feces. 295 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: I think they can also. It can also come from 296 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: meat and shellfish. Okay, lots of potential sources there, right, 297 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: So literally, like a cat food could potentially carry it 298 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: if it were not cooked fully, if it were not 299 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: you know, if it were exposed to air in some way, right, 300 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: there are those are Those are very common ways. But 301 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: for a human to get it from a cat, generally speaking, uh, 302 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: you have to have contact with cat poop m h, 303 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: which comes with having an animal. Anyway, I was like, 304 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: did ed Loo have toxic plasmosis? Is that why? His 305 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: family was like you're and he's like, I listen. The 306 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: issue of alcohol misuse is a whole other thing, and 307 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: I don't want to in any way play down the 308 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: seriousness of it, but it does make me wonder because 309 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: he was so adamant like no. Now, granted, some people 310 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: that are dealing with addiction will say no, So I 311 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know the personal thing, but it 312 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: did occur to me. Anyway, here's the other thing I 313 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: would like to end on. I'm going back to Alan Simon. 314 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: Praise you Alan Simon for the invention of potty pads 315 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: for pets. Oh yeah, because I stumbled upon a part 316 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: of the Internet I was not ready for the other day. 317 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: There's like a reddit anti dog subreddit, like people that 318 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: just don't like dogs and think having dogs in your 319 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: house is disgusting and gross and like one of those 320 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: and like whatever, I don't understand it, but whatever, having 321 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: a human in your house is disgusting and gross, Like 322 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: we all come with stuff. And there was a whole 323 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: big thing about how disgusting potty pads are for dogs 324 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: and the presumption that people are just putting them down 325 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: and letting their animals go all over the house. And 326 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, I know you don't like dogs, but you 327 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: know that's potty training a dog, Like there will be 328 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: some whoopsie daisies, or if a dog becomes elderly and 329 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: they can't always control their stuff, or if your animal 330 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: dog or cat or any other has surgery and maybe 331 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: uses their level of locomotion for I mean, there are 332 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: so many valid reasons for it, but these people were 333 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: so mad that they even existed because they felt like 334 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: it promoted laziness on the part of pet people. And 335 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: I'm right. Yeah. My one time that I've ever used 336 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: them was when Cestina was in her last months of 337 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: life and she was still pretty much making it to 338 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: the litter box all the time, but she was she 339 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: would get into the litter box. She couldn't really squat anymore. Yeah, 340 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: arthritis will do that. Yeah, the urine was not going 341 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: into the box anymore, and so we just put a 342 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: puppy pat underneath it, yeah, sort of out the front 343 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 1: to catch anything. Yeah. Yeah, they're super handy. I mean 344 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: they have they have even for non pet things. Right, 345 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: if you're doing a weird craft project that has a 346 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: lot of fluid, put a puppy pad under it, because 347 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: that's a heck of a lot easier than trying to 348 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: mop up a mess with a towel afterwards, Like yep, 349 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: and all these things and more. Anyway, I know there 350 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: were hospital pads first, but now they're so easily gettable 351 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: at your local supermarket in the pet food I like, 352 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: thank you, Ellen Simon, that was great. Yeah, I hope 353 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: if you are training a puppy, that that training is 354 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: going well. I know there could be moments of exasperation, 355 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: but worth it. In the end. It's puppy who doesn't 356 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: like that. If you have this weekend coming up, free 357 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: to do whatever you wish, I hope that you fill 358 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: it with things that delight you, or that you don't 359 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: fill it at all and you just have like super 360 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: rest weekend, which sounds amazing to me. Right now, as 361 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: Tracy and I record this, we are getting ready to 362 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: leave the country. By the time you hear this, we 363 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: will be back, but right now we're both very tired 364 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: from preparation, so it sounds great to have two days 365 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: of rest. I'm hoping to rest on my flight. We 366 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: will be right back here tomorrow with a classic episode, 367 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: and then on Monday we will have something brand new. 368 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: Stuff you missed in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. 369 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 370 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.