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Speaker 1: Also media. Oh, welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a

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Speaker 1: podcast formed or filmed recorded all of those things in

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Speaker 1: the burning healthscape that is Portland, Oregon, the most vicious

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Speaker 1: and collapsed war zone on planet Earth. Here from the

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Speaker 1: Rubble Robert Evans to talk to you about a really

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Speaker 1: bad piece of shit with someone who isn't really bad.

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Speaker 1: My wonderful guest today, Bridget Todd. Bridget, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I am also calling in from a bombed out healthscape

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Speaker 3: city that is Washington, DC.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Healthcape to Healthcape.

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Speaker 1: It was so funny when we both got on jadams

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Speaker 1: detonated simultaneously right above both of our houses on opposite coasts.

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Speaker 1: It was quite funny. It's very good, very good stuff, Bridget.

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Speaker 1: What's your least favorite US aerial munition?

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Speaker 3: Ooh uh, people have the least favorite.

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Speaker 1: I most people who have been targeted by them do.

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Speaker 4: I'll say that much.

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Speaker 2: What is your least favorite?

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Speaker 1: I will say the scariest thing I've ever seen a

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Speaker 1: are pretty fucking scary too. And then you know, just

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Speaker 1: watching in Apache empty, it's empty, it's it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: them are really that fun when you're anywhere close to

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Speaker 1: seeing them. It's more just like, oh, fuck fireworks. Really

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Speaker 1: ain't got the juice?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, part of you was like, oh that looks cool.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, fuck me, I gotta get away from that,

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Speaker 1: son of a bitch real fast. Bridget What do you

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Speaker 1: do on the internet a place where there are no girls?

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Speaker 1: According to one of your podcasts, that is.

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Speaker 3: True, there are no girls on the internet, yet here

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Speaker 3: we are showing up there every day making flapping our

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Speaker 1: That's right. And yeah, you got anything else you want

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you can listen to me on there no

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Hate fascism, hate everything that's going on. Excited to be

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Speaker 3: super bummed out by whatever you're about to tell me.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure fascism. What is that? Is that good or

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Speaker 1: is that bad? It sounds like bad. I'm guessing.

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Speaker 2: Who can say anymore? Who's to say that's true? There's

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. You know who wasn't in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the fascism good or bad debate?

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Speaker 5: Who?

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Speaker 1: I mean? A lot of people bridget Have you ever

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Speaker 1: heard of a guy named Darryl Gates?

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Speaker 2: I have not.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. Darryl Gates is was the police chief in

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Speaker 1: he is maybe the single most important figure in the

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Speaker 1: militarization of US law enforcement. Right, that's kind of what

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Speaker 1: Daryl was known for. Among other things, he co created

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Speaker 1: this is Daryl Gates, Right, that's the fellow we are

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I will never forgive him for making me spend what

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Speaker 1: Right, tell you lies about the crack houses he'd busted up,

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Speaker 3: Clear memory of the DARE coop in our school saying, Oh,

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Speaker 1: Tell us FU cops on your parents.

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Speaker 1: What the fuck? Yeah, we'll be talking all about that.

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Speaker 1: Daryl was a famous cop in his own life so

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Speaker 5: Right, I really hate that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can tell a lot. His autow biography was

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Speaker 3: You know, those are some of my favorite kinds of people.

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Speaker 3: He did Mike horror social groups.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone, I hang out with gamblers, drunks, prostitutes. It's comebacks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which one are you? I'm at least three of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really I would love to know what the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be fun. So Darryl and his four

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Speaker 1: But as he notes in his autobiography, in nineteen thirty,

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Speaker 3: I was also a latchkey kid with two overworked parents.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. I know a lot of latchkey kids. None

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Speaker 2: I mean I was doing things I shouldn't have been doing,

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Speaker 5: You know, speak for yourself, my friend.

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Speaker 4: I am speaking for myself, Sophia. That worked out great

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Speaker 3: You can run an opposite DARE program where you come

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Speaker 2: Tell kids to experiment with drugs.

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Speaker 1: I dropped out of school and started doing drugs, and

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Speaker 1: You know, all my friends who have had who got

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Speaker 4: Up, Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: It works for everyone. It doesn't work for everyone, but

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Speaker 3: It turning him against those things. It's interesting that his

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Speaker 1: have a radio. His dad doesn't go to the library

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00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 1: off at a check out books, so he's mostly just

441
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 1: laying there alone, stewing in his anger, you know. And

442
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 1: that's not gonna help anything about this kid.

443
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 3: No, I could see that being a very formative experience

444
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 3: for a child. Just lots of time to sit there

445
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 3: and stew about your drunk father and the horrible school

446
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 3: lunches you're packed every day.

447
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 1: Right exactly. So the next year, nineteen thirty five, his

448
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: family moves again to Highland Park. Decades later, Daryl would

449
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 1: recall the racial makeup of their new neighborhood in what

450
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 1: i'd call telling terms. Quote, a lot of Italian and

451
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 1: German families, a mixture of Catholics and Jews, many Hispanics,

452
00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 1: some Japanese and Chinese. I don't recall any blacks. He

453
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 1: writes this book in the mid nineties you know, so

454
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: was it.

455
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 3: Still wasn't cool to be describing the makeup of your

456
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 3: where you live in that way and like just completely

457
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,439
Speaker 3: obsessed with the races and ethnicities of people around you.

458
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like like really laying out here's all the

459
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 1: different races in my town when I'm ten.

460
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 4: You know, like, yeah, I don't know, man, I don't

461
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 4: know that I believe that.

462
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 3: Do you ever meet somebody that tells a story and

463
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 3: whenever they tell a story, they have to tell you

464
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 3: the ethnicity or the race of the person involved.

465
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Speaker 2: When you meet.

466
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 3: Somebody like that, it really tells you a lot about

467
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 3: how they see the world.

468
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, that that that that really like gets

469
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 1: across significant details. Is like what ra Also, just what

470
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,360
Speaker 1: races you remember?

471
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 6: You know?

472
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,639
Speaker 2: Okay which ones were notable to you?

473
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 6: Yeah?

474
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:47,360
Speaker 4: Yeah?

475
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Speaker 1: What are the notable races in your childhood? So the

476
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 1: same year, his dad notched a new public drinking arrest,

477
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: for which he finally serves jail time, and Daryl calls

478
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: this his dad's rock bottom point. You know, he goes

479
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: through the DTS after he sobers up in the drunk

480
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: tank and the experience fucks up Paul Gates so much

481
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: that Paul commits to sobering up, and he did, and Gates'

482
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 1: family life gets better at this point. Not only is

483
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: the Great Depression starting to wind down by the later

484
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: half of the thirties, but his dad gets to another

485
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: job and starts working again. He gets a family car

486
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: so that the Gateses have a vehicle for the first time,

487
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: and his new dad, the sober Dad, becomes a real

488
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 1: gung ho pro fdr New Deal Democrat, which makes complete

489
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: sense because a lot of people my grandparents were like that,

490
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, they were dedicated New Deal Democrats

491
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: for a long time because they survived thanks to New

492
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: Deal programs. You know. Of course, that makes you real

493
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 1: positive towards government programs, you know, at least for a

494
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: period of time. Paul becomes more involved with his kids

495
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: and makes the questionable decision to teach young Daryl how

496
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: to box. I say questionable because Daryl decides I want

497
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: to be a professional fighter, right, So, as an adolescent,

498
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: he joins a boxing club. He spends all his free

499
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: time fighting. By the time he's fifteen years old, he

500
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: is muscular and increasingly aggressive. That Halloween, he dresses up

501
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: in costume with what he called a bean shooter up

502
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: his sleeve, and at parties he would shoot beans randomly

503
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: at other kids. This predictably leads to a fist fight,

504
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: which his brother broke broke up, but the other kid's

505
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 1: dad came in and saw Lowell with hands on his son,

506
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: and so he starts attacking Daryl's brother. Lowell and Darryl

507
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: Sucker punches the dad of the kid that he'd shot

508
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: repeatedly with beans. Quote absolutely furious in me, Lowell grabbed

509
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: the bean shooter and snapped it in half. But the

510
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: lesson he intended to teach me fell on deaf ears.

511
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: I could not keep my fists to myself, so just

512
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: a bean shooting little prick.

513
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 3: I grew up in a house where my brother is

514
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: a boxer. My dad and grandfather are boxers. I took

515
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 3: boxing lessons as a kid. And it's the kind of

516
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 3: thing that a well meaning adult is thinking, maybe this

517
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: will teach my kid some focus. Yeah, yeah, and then

518
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 3: off and it can go that we can It could

519
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 3: be gad for you, or be making a very violent child.

520
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 4: You have to teach. Here's the thing.

521
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: If you're going to teach your kid to be good

522
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: at beating people, up which boxing can teach you, Boxing said,

523
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: a functional fighting sport art, right, you also have to

524
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: teach them how not to use fighting people as like

525
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: a default go to, you know exactly. Yeah, speaking of

526
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: beating the shit out of people, here's ads for some

527
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: companies that won't beat the shit out of people.

528
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 4: We're back there, you go. So uh.

529
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: He starts high school, Darryl, and this offers him some

530
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, outlets for his violence, because he describes himself

531
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: as getting regularly into fights with kids he calls bullies,

532
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if they were the bullies, I'll

533
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: say that much, right. This leads him to his first

534
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: real legal trouble because by age sixteen, these other he's

535
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: come to the conclude, and the accurate one in my opinion,

536
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: that quote there was no bigger bully than a cop.

537
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: And he saved up money to buy an old car

538
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: of his own by this point, and the police, he says,

539
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: were quote always pulling me over for something, citing him

540
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: for everything under the sun, including having a loud muffler,

541
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: and again like, yeah, a lot of people have this experience,

542
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: mostly not white kids, and the fact that you did,

543
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: it's a bummer that this doesn't like make you a

544
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: better person.

545
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like he's taking all the wrong lessons

546
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 3: from these very formative life experiences.

547
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 4: All of them. It's amazing.

548
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just every wrong lesson you could take, shocking stuff.

549
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: Here's a passage from his book talking about how you

550
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 1: Know one of his early meaningful interactions with the cops.

551
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: On a Sunday night in nineteen forty two, with my

552
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: girlfriend beside me and my buddy and back, I stopped

553
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: my car in front of the Franklin Theater. Every Sunday

554
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: night they showed a hop along Cassidy and my buddy

555
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: Pete Siula went in to see what time the next

556
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: show started. We were sitting there, my car parked just

557
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: a little bit out from the curb, when suddenly a

558
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: squad car slammed to a stop behind me. Because of

559
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: the war, the LAPD had been forced to hire emergency

560
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: wartime officers. Among them, it turned out these two. One

561
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: strolled over and whipped out his pad. I jumped out

562
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: of my car, what are you doing? Writing you a citation?

563
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 4: Come on, what for?

564
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: You're double parked? But my friend'll be right back. And

565
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: it deteriorated from there now Eventually, his friend comes out

566
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: and his brother tries to de escalate things, and when

567
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: the cop shoved Lowell away, Darryl loses it and he

568
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: punches the cop who'd shoved his brother, and one of

569
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: his friends punches the other cop, and they all get arrested,

570
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 1: he and his friend and Lowell. Now he punching a

571
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: cop normally would get you jail time, but his brother

572
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: is kind of like a good goody two shoes in town.

573
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: He started some local sports program for kids that the

574
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: lapd are partnering with, and so they offered Darryl and

575
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: Lowell a deal, which is that they'll drop the charges

576
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: if he apologizes, and Darryl refuses at first. Right, he's

577
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: wanting to, like, you fucking charge me with assaulting a

578
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: police officer. I'm not gonna say sorry to this dick,

579
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: and insisted that like, well, the cop pushed my brother,

580
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: so I had a right to sock the bastard. And

581
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: eventually Lowell has to like intervene and be like, you,

582
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: stupid motherfucker, they're offering to drop assault on an officer charges.

583
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: Shut your fucking mouth and say sorry. Right, yeah, Like.

584
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 3: I appreciate standing on business and being like, no, it's

585
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: the principle.

586
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: But if they're gonna drop.

587
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: Charges, yeah, you hit a cop bro like the take

588
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: the dub you know next pern article in the La Times.

589
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: In nineteen forty three, after graduating from Franklin High School

590
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: in Highland Park, Gates joined the Navy and served two

591
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: years as a plain old seaman on a destroyer in

592
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: the Pacific. After his discharge, he enrolled at Pasadena College

593
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: and married a classmate, Wanda Hawkins. He was taking pre

594
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: law courses at USC when he learned that she was pregnant.

595
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure how he was going to support a family.

596
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: He did not greet the news happily. Not a weird story, right,

597
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: you know a lot of kids like this out there

598
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: in the world. And one of his friends, this is

599
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: kind of him finally breaking bad is he's like desperate

600
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: and has to figure out how to make money to

601
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: pay for a kid now. And one of his friends says, hey,

602
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: the LAPD is hiring. They don't have enough people, and

603
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: the pay's good. They've got like signing bonuses and a

604
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: decent starting salary. And Darryl reacts with fury. At first,

605
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: he remembers calling this telling his friend, no way in

606
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: the world will I ever be a dumb cop. But

607
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: then his friends like, but they pay like two hundred

608
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: ninety bucks a month, and that's real good money back then,

609
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: and while he's in police Academy he can continue to

610
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: study at USC the whole time. So he drives out

611
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: to Hollywood High and he takes a civil service exam

612
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: and he's claims scored number nine in a room with

613
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: five thousand applicants. And this is where we get a

614
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: strong hint that old Darryl might have some narcissistic tendencies, because,

615
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: rather than taking satisfaction in his high score, he recalled

616
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: anger that eight other quote prospective dumb cops had scored

617
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: higher than him. He assumed that this must have been

618
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: the rep the result of nepotism, or these other kids

619
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: gaming the system in some way. But it continues on

620
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: to the other stages of the application, right, He's like, no,

621
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: there's no way these other the only dumb people would

622
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: want to be cops. So I have to be the

623
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: smartest person in this room full of people who are

624
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: desperate for money.

625
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 4: You know, every.

626
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: Takeaway is the wrong takeaway.

627
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: Also amazing that hard that there are eight kids who

628
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: are who would score better on this test than you?

629
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 4: Is Is that really five thousand? No?

630
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and you're doing fine, brother, Like, come on, man.

631
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: So he has to lie when his interviewer asks if

632
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: he has any criminal history or has ever been arrested,

633
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: but since the charges had been dropped, the guys responsible

634
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: for the hiring process have no evidence to the contrary.

635
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: At first, he joins the LAPD to pay his way

636
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: through college and support a young family, and he starts

637
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: the job holding his nose and kind of not really

638
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: wanting to do.

639
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: It at all.

640
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: On September sixteenth, nineteen forty nine, he has his first

641
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: day at the police Academy and it's not like the

642
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: classic film Police Academy, unfortunately. His first sight as he

643
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: goes to the academy are the words inscribed on the

644
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: entrance of the building. The more you sweat here, the

645
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: less you will bleed in the street. And Darryl writes

646
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: about his time training in a typically self aggrandizing fashion,

647
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: noting that he was too heavy when he joined, but

648
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: at the end of the training he was two hundred

649
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: and five pounds of pure muscle and that his colleagues

650
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: nicknamed him the bear, and.

651
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 4: No they did whatever.

652
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, No one's no one's colleagues, and like,

653
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: no one gets nicknames that cool that other people.

654
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 4: Give them.

655
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: Nickname if I've ever heard, yeah.

656
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

657
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: And if you get a nickname like the bear, it's

658
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: not for a cool reason. It's because you like scratch

659
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: your back on a wall or something and you look

660
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: like a bear and people are like, oh man, he

661
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: looks like he's a bear, a tree.

662
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: Always getting your head stuck in picnic basket.

663
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, you get your head stuck in a picnic

664
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: basket and people are like, fucking Yogi bear over here, right,

665
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: that's someone who gets nicknamed the bear.

666
00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: You know.

667
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: It's like if anyone ever tells you my nickname was

668
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: the Reaper, it's like, no, that's probably because you ate

669
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: nothing but corn or something during basic training or some

670
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: weird shit. It's not because you were cool. Nobody gets

671
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: that nickname for being cool.

672
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: Now.

673
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: People just don't give out nicknames for that reason. You

674
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: get a nickname like fucking cumstain or whatever. Right, that's

675
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: a military nickname anyway. He claims, more than on my physique,

676
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: I prided myself on my intellect, which sherif bro I

677
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: don't know, man, that's not going to be a real

678
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: through line in your life.

679
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 4: But Okay.

680
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: Now, by the time he finishes training, he says his

681
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: opinion on the police had changed. He met so many

682
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: great guys in police academy that he realizes, oh, no,

683
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: I've been wrong about the cops all along. And he

684
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: never seems to have squared this fact that whatever his

685
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: experience with the instructors and with his peers, the experiences

686
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: that he had as a child of the police busting

687
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: down his door and fucking up his life also happened, right,

688
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: He never deals with the intersection of these two things,

689
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: which is in interesting to me.

690
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so curious what's going on there other than

691
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: seemingly just being someone who again, every lesson is the

692
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: wrong lesson from a life experience.

693
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is His most consistent characteristic is that he

694
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: never learns the right thing from the things that happened

695
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: to him to it with a consistency that's like impressive

696
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: in its fucked up inness. If that makes sense, it

697
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: does so. Darrel's first job on the street was as

698
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: an accident investigator with the Traffic Division. He spends a

699
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: little time on control after that, and at the end

700
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: of his rookie year, he still thinks policing is like

701
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: a temporary gig for him, you know, a stopover on

702
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: the path to him becoming a lawyer. He does not

703
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: want to work for long at the LAPD. His plan

704
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: is to finish school, get his law degree, and then

705
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: leave the force. But shortly after his starting his rookie year,

706
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, he spends a little bit of time moving

707
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: around different jobs as a rookie, and then he's selected,

708
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: after like kind, right at the end of his first

709
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: year for this special detail where they're going to make

710
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: him the personal chauffeur and bodyguard for the new police chief,

711
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: William H.

712
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 4: Parker.

713
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: And I don't think this was meant as a compliment

714
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: to him. It's going to help his career immensely because

715
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: he gets close to the boss. But I don't think

716
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: you make the best new cop the cop the police

717
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: chief chauffeur. And as a spoiler, the police chief needs

718
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: a chauffeur because he's a hardcore alcoholic who can never

719
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: legally drive. Right yikes, Yeah, he's not getting this because

720
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: he's the best yike.

721
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, woo, we need you to drive the boss

722
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 6: who has never been sober a day in his life

723
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 6: because you're the best cop.

724
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't give RoboCop that gig, you know, no, no,

725
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 4: no no.

726
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: Also, it does kind of put to rest the idea

727
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: that people have, the fiction that people become police because.

728
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: They really care about law and order.

729
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: I've known like the handful of people in my life

730
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 3: who are law enforcement. They're the most lawless, psycho pieces

731
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: of shit you've ever met in your life.

732
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: Never dat a cop. Oh my god.

733
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: Yeah it's I mean that statistically the evidence bears that

734
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: one out. And yeah it's yeah, it's just this, Yeah,

735
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: you did it because the money was good, and you

736
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: suddenly didn't care anymore about the fact that you knew

737
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: they were bad in a lot of ways, you had

738
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: horrible experiences with the police, but then they offered you

739
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: two hundred and ninety bucks a month, so like fuck it.

740
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: You know, I guess they're good guys.

741
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can't help but think about hearing all

742
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: of the stuff like, oh, join ice, you get a signing.

743
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 4: Bonus, maybe rand Yeah.

744
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: So yeah. The way they.

745
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 3: Sweeten these jobs that most people can see are odious.

746
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: The way they sweet in them, and it makes I

747
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: think there's a certain kind of person that will just

748
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 3: forget how harmful these these jobs are to people.

749
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, it's that they live kind

750
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: of John Carpenter called all this out decades ago in

751
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: his classic film, Right. You know, people will forget their

752
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: morality as soon as you offer him some cash, which

753
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: you know is none of us are immune to it.

754
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: I think some people's price is higher than two hundred

755
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: and ninety bucks a month, but whatever, So we're I

756
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about the cop that

757
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: he becomes the chauffeur for, right, William Parker Bill Parker,

758
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: who is a really influential LA police chief. He takes

759
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: the LAPD from like old timey cops kind of into

760
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: the early modern era in a lot of ways. And

761
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: he's got one of these like classic American turn of

762
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: the century LIFs. He was born in the town of Lead,

763
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: South Dakota, and then he was raised in the even

764
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: more the only town with a more sinister name than Lead, Deadwood.

765
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: It's it's awesome. I think that one's in North Dakota,

766
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, from Lead to Deadwood is his childhood.

767
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: He's an Okay, student as a kid and a promising athlete,

768
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: but obviously he's in dead Wood, so there's not a

769
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: lot of a future there, right, And after he graduates

770
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: he works a series of dead end jobs. At one

771
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: point he's selling underpants that his mom knitted to women

772
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: in town, so he's an underwear salesman for a little

773
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: while in Deadwood. I have never heard of a bleaker

774
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 1: job than that. Not just underwear, hand knitted underwear, hand

775
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: knitted by your mom, underwear salesmen in fucking Deadwood. Bro,

776
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: that's bleak. Like, doesn't get any worse than that. Eventually,

777
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty two, his mom splits from his dad

778
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: and decides to move to LA with his younger siblings,

779
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: and Bill's like, I guess I'll move to Los Angeles too.

780
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 4: It's got to beat fucking Deadwood.

781
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 5: You know.

782
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: Now.

783
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: At this point in time, LA is advertised as being

784
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 1: like if you look at like the advertisements the city

785
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: is putting out. One of the names that Los Angeles

786
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: gives itself is quote the white spot of America. I

787
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: don't need to tell you what the word white means

788
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: in that context, right.

789
00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: But I can figure it out.

790
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 4: You figure?

791
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what it means. It's not talking about

792
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: the color of clothes or whatever.

793
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 4: Right.

794
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: Per the book La Noir by John Bunten, it was

795
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: seen as quote a place where native born, white Protestants

796
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: could enjoy the magic of outdoors, inviting always trees and

797
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: blossom throughout the year, flowers in bloom all the time,

798
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: as well as mystery, romance, charms, and splendor, all safe

799
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: among others of their kind. Right, the weather's always nice

800
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: for white people, who are the only ones allowed in

801
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. That's how LA is presenting itself to the

802
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: rest of the country at this period of time. And

803
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: not because that's a totally accurate description, because even LA

804
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: is never not at a first place, right like it

805
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: is always an incredibly mixed city. This is how they're trying.

806
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: They're trying to portray themselves to the rest of the

807
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: country that way so that white people will move there.

808
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 4: Right.

809
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: This is a conscious attempt by the people leading the

810
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: city to gentrify it. Right now, LA is at this

811
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: point a vice and organized crime because there's a lot

812
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: of money and the film industries there, and all of

813
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: the gangsters who'd gotten cracked down on the East Coast

814
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: had moved out west, right Like, that's a big thing

815
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: that has happened by this period of time. It's why

816
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I just quoted from a book called El

817
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: a Noir, But it's why LA and War becomes a genre,

818
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: right is because Los Angeles a lot of crime. There,

819
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: a lot of real good opportunities for organized crime there.

820
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: It's a huge port a lot of money moves through it.

821
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: And as a young man, Parker joins the police and

822
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: he spends his adulthood fighting crime and a city overwhelmed

823
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: by it. He takes a brief break to fight in

824
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: World War Two, and he comes home a war hero

825
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: and is the highest ranked LAPD officer and war veteran.

826
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: This earns Parker a measure of fame. The city council

827
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: passes a resolution thanking him specifically for his service, and

828
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: to make a long story short, he writes that fame

829
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: to the top, Parker would go down. Is perhaps the

830
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: most consequential chief and LAPD history, certainly before Darryl Gates.

831
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: In an LA Times article, Joe Dominic describes his reign

832
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: this way or two in the years that followed, had

833
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: brought a mass migration to Los Angeles of job hungry

834
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 1: African Americans, Jews, and later Latinos. By the mid sixties,

835
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: these new arrivals were transforming the complexity and politics of

836
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: the city and coming into conflict with the LAPD. Parker

837
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: reinvented the LAPED, making it a less corrupt and more

838
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: professional department, but also turning it into one that was aggressive, intimidating,

839
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: and confrontational by design a small force of faceless, paramilitary

840
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: cops and patrol cars. Policing through fear doesn't sound familiar.

841
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: It certainly does. Such what was the police?

842
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 3: So the only police that I know is the one

843
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 3: they have described, you know, hyper militarized.

844
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 2: What was it like before then?

845
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: I can't even conceptualize what policing would be like before

846
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: that was the vibe.

847
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Number one, there just weren't as many cops.

848
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: Number two, the idea that like they would have that

849
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: kind of strength, they would have access to heavy weaponry,

850
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: the idea that they would have access to high numbers,

851
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: that they would do sweeps in big numbers. That was

852
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: all fairly new at the time. Right, some of that

853
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: really starts becoming a thing because of the gangster era.

854
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: But you know, and there's also this factor that like,

855
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: the LAPD isn't a thing for you to worry about

856
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: if you can bribe them. And so one of the

857
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: things that happens when Parker's with the LAPD is that

858
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: the ability of just like random, normal local criminals to

859
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: pay their way out of problems becomes less of a factor.

860
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: But also the LAPD are becoming increasingly violent and increasingly

861
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: like a force of their own right during the time

862
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: that Parker is in charge. So there's both this thing

863
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: of like, well, the LAPD are less of a whoever

864
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: can pay for them owns them, and more of a

865
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: militant force of their own that is increasingly controlling the

866
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: city during his reign.

867
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: This might sound fucked up.

868
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 3: I feel like it might be less harmful to have

869
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: them be a force where anybody who can pay them

870
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 3: kind of owns them than having them be their own

871
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 3: their own like military force. Yeah, you know, wreaking havoc

872
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: in the city.

873
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: I can say how you would view the change his progress,

874
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: but also like, I don't know, maybe it didn't. Maybe

875
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: that's maybe it wasn't as much of an improvement as

876
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: you might have thought, right there. Yeah, speaking of improvements,

877
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: you know it will improve my day is if people

878
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: check out these.

879
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: Ads, ah beautiful and we're back.

880
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: So we just set up, you know, Bill Parker's time

881
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 1: running the LAPD. And right after Parker gets made chief,

882
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: Daryl has made his driver. And the fact that Darryl

883
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: is the Chief's driver during the busy fifteenth first fifteen

884
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: months of Parker's time running the department gives him a

885
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: front seat to this revolutionary period in LAPD history, and

886
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: his position makes him a natural sounding board for Parker's ideas.

887
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: It gives him influence incommensurate to his low rank and

888
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 1: his rookie status inside the department. In the LAPD, Gates

889
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: gains of reputation as being the Chief's fair haired boy.

890
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: Per journalist Slaine and Eric Walnick. Gates would later write, quote,

891
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: what I received during my fifteen months with him turned

892
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: out to be more than a primer on policing. It

893
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: became a tutorial on how to be chief right. And

894
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: for the sake of completion, I should note that in

895
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: his own autobiography, Gates paints a mixed picture of his mentor.

896
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: He admits that he became totally smitten with Parker and

897
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: saw him as a kind of father figure. But also

898
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: Parker was sadly a father figure in quote more ways

899
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: than I would have liked, by which I mean Bill

900
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: was a raging alcoholic like Darryl's dad. And Darryl writes, yeah, like, oh, yeah,

901
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: I can see why this guy influences.

902
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: You, A guy just like daddy. I know all about it.

903
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Daddy got in trouble with the cops and

904
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: this guy gets to run.

905
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 4: Them for some reason. Here's a quote.

906
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: After trying to absorb Parker's brilliance by day, I would

907
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: too often by night drive him home drunk and I

908
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: mean loaded. He drank until his words slurred and stairs

909
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: became a hazard. He would repeat the same thought over

910
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: and overuntil he became a terrible bore. Some nights he

911
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: would attend to function and not touch a drop. Other

912
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: nights he drank heavily and smelled embarrassing to me as

913
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: he stumbled getting into the car and stumbled getting out

914
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: from the street to his house required negotiating a steep

915
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: hill that I often had to help him up. And

916
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: Daryln sis, yeah, and he's like, but his drinking never

917
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: affected his thinking, right, It never changed the way he worked,

918
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: and like I don't know, man, You're just describing it

919
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: as affecting him on the job, but.

920
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 3: Him as smelling embarrassing. You think that didn't impact his

921
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: work at all?

922
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 4: Really, that didn't change how he worked as police chief.

923
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 4: I don't know, man.

924
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: Now, Daryl does note fairly well all the journalists in

925
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: the media pool that press conferences were outrageous alcoholics too,

926
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, man, it was the fifties, right, Like, I

927
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: don't believe you're lying about all the journalists having being

928
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: self destructive alcoholics in nineteen fifty one, you know, yeah,

929
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: that makes sense. He did acknowledge one time in which

930
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: Parker's drinking cast serious issues. New Year's Day nineteen fifty one,

931
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: he and the chief were scheduled to pick up the

932
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: mayor and drive to the Elks Club for breakfast before

933
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl, but Parker had gotten completely shitouse hammered

934
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: the night before, and Gates only got him home two

935
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: hours before they had to wake up. The result of

936
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: this was that they are late to pick up the

937
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 1: mayor the next day, and the mayor is furious. Gates

938
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: plays this off as the mayor being an arrogant prick,

939
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: even though he admits he and his boss were giggling

940
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: the whole time about how hammered he still was. So

941
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's the mayor who sounds bad in

942
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: this story. The Mayor's like, my fucking belief chief can't

943
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: sober up to pick me up for the fucking rose bowl, Like,

944
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: can't do one night without getting so drunk that he's

945
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: blacked out the next morning.

946
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, hours late and laughing about it in front of

947
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 3: the mayor is not a great in front of their

948
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 3: drinking never impacted his drinking.

949
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: Never impacted his job, never impacted his job. Absolutely not.

950
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 4: Now.

951
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: One long term impact of this year and change is

952
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: that Gates rockets himself to the head of the line

953
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: for promotions and choice appointments within the department. When he

954
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: gets back to normal duty, he works briefly on juvenile patrol,

955
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: like the cops who'd let him and his brother off

956
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: easy for assaulting an officer when they were kids, and

957
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: his section of the book on his time in juvenile

958
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: patrol is one of the most incoherent pieces of his autobiography.

959
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: He describes this adolescent kid named Jose who was a

960
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: serial burglar and enough of like an habitual criminal that

961
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: he and his partner could tell when they got a

962
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: call about a burglary that like, oh, that's Jose, right,

963
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: Like that must have been him. It matches his mo perfectly,

964
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: classic classic Jose. And he's like, we liked this kid,

965
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: but like, you know, we had to deal with him constantly,

966
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: And he describes having to call Jose's parents all the

967
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: time about their son, and then he writes a very

968
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: confusing passage that is absolutely not consistent. Times were so

969
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: different than the people were different, and the laws were different.

970
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: Often you'd call a kid in, show him out, and

971
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: call us folks. Father would come down, bawl the kid out.

972
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: You'd never encounter that kid again. And he goes on

973
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: to complain that like that's not the way it is

974
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: today because police don't have as much power. There's all

975
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: these children's rights advocates who've lobbied for laws that give

976
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: kids more rights, and now hops can't use their own

977
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: in house probation system to quote skip the courts and

978
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: put kids on probation at their own recognizance without involving

979
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: a judge or court, and like, but you just talked

980
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: about this kid who was constantly a problem and who

981
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: like the way the system worked didn't benefit him at all.

982
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: It didn't like help him stop, like he was a

983
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: career criminal anyway. And then you're like, but things were

984
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: that didn't happen back then. You know, it's not like

985
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: it was in the now it is today. He's writing

986
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: in the nineties, where like, because kids have rights, things

987
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: are worse. It's just interesting to me. Again, he just can't.

988
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: It's completely inconsistent, right, Like, his recollection of things and

989
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: how they worked then versus how they work now is

990
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: just never accurate to the actual things he's saying.

991
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 2: I almost feel like this is an issue with the editor.

992
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 3: I like, I'm curious if an editor of this book

993
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 3: would have called out that very clear inconsistency there to say, hey,

994
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 3: your point's getting a bit muddled.

995
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: They don't have those on right wing Sheriff books.

996
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: You know, just write whatever you want hit, publish.

997
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: Throw wherever you want there, kid, We don't give a shit.

998
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: It's your name that's gonna sell this motherfucker. People will

999
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: know it's the swat guy.

1000
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1001
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: So Daryl goes from this point where he talks about

1002
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: this this kid and how things are different now than

1003
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: they were back then. He goes from that to immediately

1004
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: telling an anecdote that makes me feel like none of

1005
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: his colleagues should have been allowed within one hundred yards

1006
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: of a school. And this is so fucking wild that

1007
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: he just tells this as like a gag. We had

1008
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: encountered a sixteen year old girl living on her own,

1009
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: a typical arrival. She was hoping for the big break,

1010
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: but on the streets of Hollywood, anything could happen to her.

1011
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: So when we'd spot her, we would stop and talk,

1012
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: or sometimes we'd go by her room to check up

1013
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: on her. I tried to give her all kinds of

1014
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: fatherly advice, and I guess she kind of fell for me.

1015
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: One day, I was thumbing through a batch of crime

1016
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: reports when I noticed one for rape. I'd picked it

1017
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: up and went, oh, no, it was the girl. Next

1018
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: I saw the suspect's name me, Oh my god, I

1019
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: thought instinctively. I checked the date of the rape and

1020
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 1: the time, trying to remember what the hell was I doing.

1021
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: Then suddenly I looked up. A bunch of detectives were

1022
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: standing there, laughing, thinking they'd played a pretty good joke

1023
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: on me.

1024
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 4: Uh So, the joke.

1025
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 1: That his colleagues play is filing a fake child rape

1026
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: report for him.

1027
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 4: Isn't that funny? What a great a joke?

1028
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard to know what to say. These

1029
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 3: are like, I mean, oh my God.

1030
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: Got him, got him? He thought he raped a kid.

1031
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 4: He thought you raped a kid. You were thinking back

1032
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 4: to remember if you rape that kid?

1033
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: Ha ha Oh Darryl, we got you because you have done

1034
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: it before, right obviously, like it was a possibility in

1035
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: your head.

1036
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 4: You had to think about it, right man.

1037
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: The fact that he was like, oh, let me let

1038
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 3: me think back, let me think back, as.

1039
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: Opposed to this is clearly some mistake.

1040
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 4: Who was I raping that day? Oh no, Like that's

1041
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 4: really weird.

1042
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: That's insane as a bit, as a bit, that's nuts,

1043
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: And that you'd say that about your colleagues who were

1044
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: like I respected my I really had my mind changed.

1045
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: I thought the LAPD were all bullies, but then I

1046
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: learned they're real serious professionals who do joke about child

1047
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: rape reporting.

1048
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 4: Obviously, but that's fine. You know, it's a bit Jesus right,

1049
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 4: Holy shit, Like.

1050
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: That was really one of those like, oh, okay, so

1051
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: things haven't changed all that much, huh, Like cops, No,

1052
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: I haven't.

1053
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: No, Okay, cops really have not changed, cool bro.

1054
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,479
Speaker 1: After his time on the juv beat, Gates gets moved

1055
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: to the vice squad and in nineteen fifty five he

1056
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: makes sergeant. Four years later he's promoted to lieutenant, and

1057
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: four years after that he makes captain. This is a

1058
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: pretty rapid pace of advancement, and he credits this. He

1059
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: says he gets his promotions as rapidly as he does

1060
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: because he studies really hard for every exam and he's

1061
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: just very rigorous in the way he approaches the work.

1062
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: But brown nosing is at least so much a factor

1063
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: in his rise as anything else. You know, the likes him,

1064
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: He's the golden boy. He drove him around, they bonded,

1065
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: and so for the remainder of the time that Parker

1066
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: is running the lapd Daryl can count on having the

1067
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: boss's ear whenever he needs it. So he's never going

1068
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: to get turned down from a promotion when he goes

1069
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: up for it. Right by the spring of nineteen sixty five,

1070
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: Gates had risen to an impressive rank indeed, inspector. His

1071
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: particular role is oversight and bridget This is probably going

1072
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: to start the ominous music in your head. In sixty five,

1073
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: he gets made the inspector overseeing all patrol officers in

1074
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: a certain neighborhood of Los Angeles called Watts.

1075
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 6: Oh right, god.

1076
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I know where this is going. We know

1077
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 4: where this is going.

1078
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 2: Right.

1079
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: Watts is a majority black neighborhood that is very impoverished. Right,

1080
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: And as the civil rights movement is picking up steam,

1081
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: people there are growing increasingly organized and increasingly angry about

1082
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: a system that rules their lives. And the fact that

1083
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: Parker has turned the LAPD into this unaccountable Parama military

1084
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: force and set them patrolling neighborhoods with an aggressive posture

1085
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: is about to bite everyone in the ass, right. That is,

1086
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: that's what's coming up. And as a spoiler, Parker is

1087
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: in charge of not the whole LAPD, but like the

1088
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: group of cops who are directly responding to Watts when

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00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: the Watts riots breaks out, and he's running the whole

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Speaker 1: department during the ninety two Rodney King riots, that's Daryl Gates.

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Speaker 1: The same guy was probably not when you think about it,

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Speaker 1: there's like, oh, it's the same guy on deck for

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Speaker 1: both of those things. Yeah, hell yeah, that's kind of

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Speaker 1: scar huh Unyeah, there's four guys in all of history,

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Speaker 1: and two of them are Darrel Gates. The other two

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Speaker 1: are Hitler. It's just Darrel Gates and Hitler all the

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Speaker 1: way down, Babe, all the way down. But speaking of

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Speaker 1: neither of those guys, bridget Todd, you want to plug

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Speaker 1: anything as we head out here on part one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I am not Darrel Gates or Hitler, and

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Speaker 3: I actually host a podcast that I think is pretty

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Speaker 3: good called There Are No Girls on the Internet.

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Speaker 2: You should check it out.

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Speaker 4: You should check that out.

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Speaker 1: You should check out our new podcast or the new

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Speaker 1: our new season of a pre existing podcast. Ja Canrahan's

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Speaker 1: sad Oligarch just dropped its second season. If you wanted

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Speaker 1: to learn about all these powerful Russian businessmen and corporate

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Speaker 1: leaders who keep dying strangely, you know, check that out too.

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Speaker 1: Check out There Are No Girls on the Internet. And

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Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about Darryl Gates and

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Speaker 1: why Los Angeles be the way that it is, there's

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Speaker 1: a book we'll be quoting from in our next episode

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Speaker 1: called City of Quartz by Mike Davis. Check out that

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Speaker 1: book too, because we'll be hearing from that in part two.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's been our episode Friends and Enemies for Enemies.

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