WEBVTT - Part One: Peter Thiel and the Anti-Christ 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:08.160 Also media, Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.080 where Robert Evans is still waking up, still kind of hungover, 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:15.360 which I know I introduced like a third of our 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:17.400 episodes that way, and it might lead some of you 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:19.720 to wonder, does Robert have a problem, And the answer 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.840 to that question is no, I have a solution. Sophie. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:23.800 How are you doing today? 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.639 I'm in pain, but my best friend's here, so that's 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:32.360 a win. And you my other best friend. I have two, 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:32.919 I have two. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.240 It's okay. I know where I stand. I know where 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.640 I stand. Yeah, Sarah Marshall, Welcome to the show. 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:44.000 Hello Robert. A pyramid is the strongest shape, or well, 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.680 I guess a triangle, but a pyramid if you're in marketing. 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:50.600 I Sophie, I'm so happy to be here with you, 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:56.080 my legend, my queen, and Robert, you a guy who 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.600 is also here. I'm just kidding. Thank you so alike. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.440 And I think of you every time I see a goat. 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.000 A goat, Okay, that's good because there's a lot of 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.039 those out there. You. You and Sophie were talking about 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.800 your beautiful friendship, and it made me think about the 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:16.959 differences between like deep male and deep female friendships, because 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.240 when I was thinking back to my stories with my 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.920 best friend, it's all the different times that Linny, either 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:24.959 I puked on Lenny or Lenny puked on me. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:31.920 I have one, but only one. Yeah, well now I 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:35.319 have two. I have two anyway. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.520 But yeah, that's good. That's a good number. That's a 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:39.039 good number. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.080 St Yeah, it's a I mean, what do you what 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:45.280 do you think that you're kind of the stuff of 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:49.800 your intimacy with your male friends is about un. 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.120 You know, honestly, I think a big part of it's 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.520 just male or female friends is just that kind of 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.640 that kind of bone deep trust where you feel as 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.720 comfortable with another person as you do like feeling alone 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.760 on your your couch. I would say that's about the 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:06.480 highest level of intimacy in or out of a romantic 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:07.920 relationship that exists. 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.480 Just to say, Robert, I would love to puke on you. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.040 Thank you, Sophie. That's very sweet. 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.320 Yeah, Coppen one day. You guys just keep putting in 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:16.000 your hours. 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:21.639 I've avoided puking on you for the same REUW I've had. 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.120 I think I've puked done more people than the average person. 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:25.720 The most at once was like nine. 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.000 But yeah, wow, the most at once. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.239 I'm proud of that. It took some work. It took 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:33.320 some work in elevation. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.200 I like to stay in and you know, watch the 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.079 Drew carry Show, so I don't get the opportunity as much. 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:41.200 It's a great shame. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.919 Yeah, you know, now that you think of it, I've 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.360 never puked on someone while watching the Drew Carrey Show, 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:48.639 so yeah, it may be a caustive effect. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:53.959 Speaking of great shows, I would like Sarah to plug 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:55.279 her new show. 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.680 For our audience. I have a show to plug. Yeah, 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.040 and Sophie, you have been such a help to me 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:08.239 in my show advertising tour, going hither and on, ringing 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.400 Mike cow Bell telling people about my new show, which 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:15.080 is called The Devil. You know, it's from CBC Podcasts. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:21.520 It features such iconic performances as our dear friend Jamie 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:26.680 Loftus performing the book. Michelle remembers, Oh my god, Yeah, 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.079 that's a win that just needed to happen, and now 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.040 it's happened. And it's also, you know, an attempt to 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:34.880 kind of tell the story of the Satanic Panic and 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.960 its initial spread in the eighties. It's sort of long 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.760 shadow in the nineties and how it came back in 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:42.800 a way that suggests it never went away in the 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:46.600 present day by talking to individual people whose lives were 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:51.320 dramatically affected and often you know, pretty much destroyed by it. 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:56.680 And but and yet it's also I think not that depressing. 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.080 I really want to mstis that. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.680 Yeah. I've had an argument with a friend about like 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.320 whether or not like because his argument was that Kissinger's 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.200 Diplomacy was the book that you needed to read in 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:16.120 order to really understand like American statesmanship. And I was like, now, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.800 it's Michelle Remembers. That's the book if you want to 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.240 understand how politics works in this country. 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:27.200 You know, you said Americans, suh, And I was like, psychopaths. Noah, okay, weird. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.640 I thought, I think that, Yeah, I think that's true. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.520 And it stands to reason that the book that explains 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:35.800 America is Canadian. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.119 Yeah, yeah, this is the case. Often that's the case. 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.520 I would love to hear your thoughts on Michelle Remembers, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.520 because it's a book that like defies description, you know. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:48.440 I mean, it's a it's a book that I think 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:55.919 says a lot about how irrationality can be foundational to 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.320 a lot of people's fundamental beliefs about how the world works, 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:04.240 like it's and it's also a book about how I mean, 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.840 the story of the book and how it became popular 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.920 and what happened like to it during its creation is 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.680 incredibly relevant for like foundationally how everything from like reality 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:19.120 TV to like modern politics works in this country. Like 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:23.200 it's the story of a fantasy overtaking reality in the 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:26.240 minds of tens of millions of Americans based on nothing 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:30.280 but like, I'd rather believe that there's that satanic pedophiles 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:31.919 run the country than anything else. 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:35.120 Yeah. Yeah, And that's like one of the things we're 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.440 trying to get at, which is, you know, kind of 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.120 this enduringly fascinating thing of like why why did people 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.359 why did it feel less scary in a way to 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:47.120 believe in what was seemingly the scariest thing possible. 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.200 Yeah, And there's you know, that's actually very relevant to 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.799 what we're talking about today. All of this both both 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:59.000 how irrationality and fantasy become like the undergirding aspects of 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.200 people's under standing about reality and how about these things 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.799 have come to completely dominate us politics and culture because 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:10.800 they primarily primarily because they dominate the thinking and the 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.960 rationality of the power elite in this country. And that's 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.560 why today you and I, Sarah are going to be 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:20.040 talking about Peter Teel's weird obsession with the Antichrist. 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:24.640 Oh my god, Oh this is amazing, wow, because I 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.920 know that he's a handful and I feel like, probably 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:36.480 from Sophie that Yeah, I'm so excited. Is Peter Teel? 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.600 Is this the guy who took down Gawker all by himself? 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.240 He sure did this. Is funded well with Hulk Hogan. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.320 Hope was a load bearing part of that. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.800 He got Hulk Hogan to hulk out all over Gawker 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:57.920 and journalism and free speech. So that's nice. 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.919 So we've done a two parter on Peter about his 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.280 life and background. But this is the guy. He's the 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.800 co founder of PayPal. He actually is the guy who 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.280 kind of like orchestrated Elon Musk's ouster from the company 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.280 and they were at odds. Now they're friends again. It's 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:14.240 a beautiful story. 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.000 You know, I'd watch an HBO original movie about that. 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:19.920 I would be like a six out of ten, you know. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:21.920 Storrying Jeremy Strong. 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:26.200 Yeah, oh, I was gonna say Jared Leto for both 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:29.200 of them, that he was the only man upsetting enough 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:30.600 to play both those guys. 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:35.880 It'll make test audiences puke yeah on each other. 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.680 Jesse Eisenberg. I realized the other day because I saw 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:42.960 him in that Kieran or Rory Colchin, which one of 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.440 the Coulkins was in the movie with him. Yeah, Kieren Colchin, 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.120 and he was good, And I was like, oh, I've 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.760 hated Jesse Eisenberg for years. I guess because he just 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.360 did a good job of playing Mark Zuckerberg. Like I 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.760 think I just hated him because he did a job well. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.560 He really did, though, But the thing is he kind 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:03.080 of always plays guys who you're like, hmm, no, got 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:03.760 away from me. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.920 Yeah, you don't seem safe, Like I'm watching my drink 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:11.320 around you, Jesse Eisenberg, which she did. He I don't 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.200 think real Jesse Eisenberg is air into. 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.760 That kind of big all of his characters. You're like, look, 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:17.760 it's not to be rude, but I'm going to be 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.320 a little rude. It's fine. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.400 Yeah, you upset me on some fundamental level. There's something 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.560 something wrong in the pit of your soul. Jesse Eisenberg 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:27.600 and I'm glad you've been able to turn that into 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:28.320 your careers. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:28.840 Yeah. 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:30.600 Yeah, you're not welcome in my house or. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:32.320 Wow. 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.800 Sorry, if you're listening to this podcast, Jesse. 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.920 Taking No Prisoners, this is you know, you have to 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:41.480 be provocative in today's political wins, and we're doing it. 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.240 You have to be ruthless to get into the mood 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.040 to talk about the things Peter Teel believes about the world. 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:51.640 Because despite being an aspiring, immortal CEO king and one 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.040 of the major patrons of the modern far right and 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.680 the guy who got JD. Vance's career started, you know, 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.800 he funded his campaign, he funded he's he's his mentor. 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.839 Despite all of that, Peter. 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.080 Being that guy's mentor, you're like, hey, buddy, you killed 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.920 the pope and your face still looks like a captures. 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.520 Meant Yeah, still doing good. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.920 Funny you have an apple juice or an apple sauce? 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.000 Yeah, I want you to sit down over here next 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.320 to me. Yeah. 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:24.640 Despite sports reference, that was so beautiful. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:30.320 Yeah well yeah, well that's kind of a classic MST 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:35.080 three K descriptor of like Robert Zadar type. I will 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.120 Robert all the baseball references I can Robert Zadar, who 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:40.120 was a No, kids. 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.520 Don't know Robert Zadar. You know, I'm glad Robert Zadar. 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.920 It's spelled Robert the apostrophe dar obviously. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.640 And yes he had a condition, that's why his face 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.520 looked like that, and it's often fatal, but in his case, 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.240 he was like right in the sweet spot where it 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.720 just made him an incredibly in demand character actor during 0:09:58.720 --> 0:09:59.560 the nineteen eighties. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.160 Yeah, you play a lot of alien prison guards. 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:04.880 A lot of alien prison guards. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:05.640 Yeah. 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.400 Anyway, Robert Zadar not much to do with Peter Teal, 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.120 But the other stuff we were talking about. 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:13.760 Does ived Heal. 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.120 I've got back and forth in my studies on Teal, 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.480 and I think in the biographical episodes we did about him, 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.319 I concluded he's one of the very few of these 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.720 guys who like scares me because of how intelligent and 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.439 disciplined and patient and competent he is, and the fact 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.600 that disciplined intelligence and patients with him are married to 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.600 like thirty billion dollars in net worth, right, which is 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.000 a dangerous mixture for a guy who thinks democracy should 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.600 come to an end and is actively working to further 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.600 that goal. This week, I think I have to make 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.880 me a cult book because I don't entirely agree with 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:48.560 that anymore. 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:50.240 Oh, I think that's exciting. 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:55.080 I may have overestimated his intelligence and cunning, which I don't. 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.920 He's still a dangerous man, right, I think he's out 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.240 of his mind, And I think he's out of his 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.680 mind in part because he's not as smart as certainly 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.000 he thinks he is, and not as smart as maybe 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:11.280 I thought he was. And you know, it's tough for 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.920 me to tell entirely what's going on here, but I've 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:19.040 become increasingly convinced that he's like unwell in a way 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.800 that's leading him, that's made him less functional as a person. 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.520 And I kind of think this Antichrist obsession is an 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:30.679 example of that, because this is it's very disordered thinking 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.000 that you see when you like listen to him try 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.520 to explain his beliefs, which I'm going to do to you. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.200 I'm going to try to walk you through everything. He 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:41.520 recently did a four day lecture series laying out his 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:45.720 theories on the Antichrist. There's been articles about this. Yeah, 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.559 if you're like reasonably online, you might have seen something 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.959 about this, because the lectures weren't public, but they were 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:57.400 publicly advertised. The page for the registration for these lectures 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.960 is still up on some service called Luma that I 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.120 I'd never heard of before this, but it was at 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:08.640 the in the Embarcadero in San Francisco on September fifteenth, 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.880 was the first of these, and it was called the Antichrist, 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.000 a four part lecture series. And the picture of this 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:18.280 is just like Peter Teel from fifteen years ago, underneath 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.240 the logo of the group that supported this speech, the 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.720 Act seventeen Collective. It's weird how young Sophie can pull 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.040 up that and then like a modern day photo of 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:32.079 Peter Teel. It's just like for it. It's fitting, I 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.720 guess for a guy whose most public obsession is with 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:40.800 living forever. But yeah, so the event summary reads, you 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.360 are warmly invited to a series of four lectures by 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.160 Peter Teal addressing the topic of the Biblical Antichrist. Peter 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.880 is a technology entrepreneur and investor who has spent much 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.160 of his career writing and speaking about how his Christian 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:55.080 faith informs his understanding of the world. His remarks will 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.400 be anchored on science and technology and will comment on 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.600 the theology, history, literature, and politics of the Antichrist. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.360 I have twenty twenty five Peter up on the screen 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.480 for you, Robert. 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.040 Say it last place in the Katie Lang tribute competition. 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.240 That's a fair comparison, Sarah. 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.480 And I love Katie Lang. That's not the point here. Yeah. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.200 No, And I love Peter Teal, you know. 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:27.120 Oh, and I mean certainly the Lord loves him, but 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:28.600 maybe not anybody else. 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:33.600 Yeah. I don't know about the Lord, but yeah, possibly possibly. 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:37.160 If Jesus, I would simply be looking at a lot 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.120 of people who talk about me a lot and being like, 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.640 I don't know you, Please stop implying that we're friends. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.720 This is Yeah, I'm sending you a sease and desist. 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:53.319 Yeah, it's got to be like I'm sure you've experienced 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.360 the same thing, Like when you get like a degree 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.840 of fame. Every now and then you'll meet fans who 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.040 will like talk about something you did that meant something 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:02.800 to them, and the way they will explain it is like, 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:04.920 that doesn't sound familiar to me at all. That's what 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.320 you took out of that. That's not what I meant 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.800 in any way. Can I do I say that to you? 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:11.880 Do I say like, oh, no, that had nothing to 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:16.040 do with like you've read in something completely absent there, 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:17.680 or do you just like smiling? 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:21.480 People think I often or remember me saying something that 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.760 I feel like is smarter than I said because I 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.440 don't know it any longer. But then you're like, did 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.520 I know it at one time and then I said it? Yeah, 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.880 I forgot it? Or are they confusing me with some 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.600 other show they listened to that same day? Could be 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.920 that too. Sometimes it's very interesting. 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.160 I've seen it all happen where it's like, no, that 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.280 was a guest who said that, and you just like 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:45.720 transposed it to being me. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.680 Thanks for giving me credit. Yeah, I was personally in 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.320 a Simpson's commentaries, And one of the things the writers 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.640 kind of consistently talk about is like, who wrote that? 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.480 Was that your joke? Was that my joke? I can't remember, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.280 or like someone being like I love that choke in 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.920 that episode wrote and they're like, I didn't write that joke. 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:06.120 Yeah that's to do a thing. Yeah, yeah, this is 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.360 my favorite thing. You did well I didn't. 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:10.400 So you're like that I had I was near it 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.920 and I was around, so yeah, I was in the room. 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.479 I was in the room when that joke was made. Absolutely, 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.320 I midwife to that joke. Yeah, I provided moral support 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:21.480 to the birth of that joke. 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.800 Yeah. 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:28.240 So this summary of Peter's lecture on the Antichrist goes 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.440 on to note that Peter's thinking about the anti beliefs 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.960 on this subject drop from the work of several prominent 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:38.560 theologians and philosophers. These include Renee Gerard, Jonathan Swift, and 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:43.280 former Bastard's Pod alumni Karl Schmidt. Now, if you haven't 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.680 listened to those episodes, I would recommend listening to the 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.520 Karl Schmidt episodes. The gist of it is Schmidt was 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.640 a right wing political philosopher, and when the Nazis came 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.520 to power, they basically called him up and said, hey, 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:59.760 you're writing the justif the education, the educated justification for 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.720 Nazism's good? Like that, We need you to come in 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:08.880 and do that right. Yeah, it's not great. And you know, 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.640 Schmidt was a perfect fit for this job because his 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.280 earlier work had been a huge influence on a lot 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.400 of prominent Nazis. So he helped influence the Nazis and 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.960 how they took power. A big thing he wrote about 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.800 was how to use effectively the creation of borders in 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:28.920 order to destroy liberal democracy. Basically his kind of in 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.520 a nutshell, it does works very well. And he's the 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.760 guy who the basic idea was that like anytime you 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.920 every society, no matter how like liberal and democracy, draws 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.760 a line between like who are members of the community 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:44.760 and who aren't, who is a citizen and who isn't, 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:48.080 and wherever you find that line, anytime there's a border, 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:52.200 that's the thing you can use to destroy that liberal 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.240 democracy because you figure out where that is and you 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.360 start pushing it inward and you start trying to define 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:02.440 other groups as not part of the community. Right, And 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.800 that's kind of the fundamental weak point that all liberal 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:10.320 democracies have. And it's you know, in a way, it's 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:15.040 kind of the the other side of the anarchist belief that, 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:19.320 like any border is implies the violence of its maintenance. Right, 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.719 the existence of a border fundamentally implies violence, because that's 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.320 the only way to maintain a border. And what Schmidt 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.000 was saying is the existence of a border is an 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:32.720 opportunity to carve groups of people out of the body 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.800 politic in order to gain authoritarian political power. Right, that's 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.560 Karl Schmidt, who Peter Thiel loves and sees as a 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:41.320 big influence. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.119 Right, So he's not being subtle about any of this. 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.280 He's like, here are my top three influences. 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:50.879 One of them so much my buddies. Yeah, these are 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.919 all my faves. Well, and it's the other guy that 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.680 he listed there, Renee Gerrard, is a I mean, neither 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.640 of these guys are like exactly household names, but Girard 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:06.919 a big part of like his belief system was the 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.359 idea of like scapegoating, right, and how like scapegoating works 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.919 within you know, and like why communities pick scapegoats, and 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.280 like how the whole process works. And that's also like 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:22.879 a major influence on Peter Teel, like that which is 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.720 you know, not again, if you look at the kind 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:30.000 of politics, like the right wing politics that he's supported 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.560 during his lifetime, it makes sense that he finds these 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.879 kind of things influential. Like, So, Schmid's essential idea is 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.640 that like when once a human society like has reached 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:46.280 the level where most people's basic needs are satisfied, they're 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:51.560 still like unmet desires, but people don't know like entirely 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:53.760 what it is that they want that they don't have, 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.400 and so they engage in mimicry where they like look 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.800 at what their neighbors who are doing the best have 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:04.600 and they seek to they aspire to mimic the most 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:10.480 impressive people in their society. Right. And because people are 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.200 never really satisfied and this memetic rivalry never really leads, 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.159 I mean, it's never something that you can actually like 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:21.960 achieve or like get the things that these unfilled desires 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.439 can't really be met, and so people need like an 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.760 explanation for why it doesn't work, for why they're not happy, 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.399 and that tends to get channeled into a war of 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.680 all against one via what Gerard called a scapegoat mechanism. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:34.280 Right. 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.479 And so these are the two huge like Schmidt and 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:43.760 Gerard are the two huge pillars of Peter Teel's like 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:47.280 personal philosophy. And one of the things Gerard believed is 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.760 that Christianity kind of marks this turning point in human 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:56.800 consciousness because like the Crucifixion narrative is fundamentally Jesus being 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:01.040 murdered in an act of collective violence against escape goat, right, 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:06.560 and so like that's kind of this that Christianity leads 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.040 to this sort of epiphany by which human beings have 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:13.000 started to realize that, like the scapegoating rituals that we 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.240 engaged in are wrong and it's like a bad thing 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:23.240 to do. And yeah, that's that's kind of where Girard goes. 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:27.080 Peter Teel winds up taking this in some weird places, 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:31.240 right where basically Gerard's attitude was that you have to 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:34.800 reject scapegoating because like Christ's example is proof that it's 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:39.840 fundamentally evil and wrong. And Teal's kind of interpretation from 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:43.160 that is that you can't really avoid scapegoating, like that's 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:48.040 the inevitable path forward, and so it's kind of a 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.960 thing you have to it's a tool you have to 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.639 make use of. This like human need to scapegoat is 0:20:55.920 --> 0:21:00.760 a thing that you can use to drive politics. Essentially 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:06.440 where Peter Teal takes this, guys, because Gerard was not advocated, right, Well, 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:08.399 we're all watching that happen, you know. 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.359 Yeah, yeah, it's not to dairy queen, that's for sure. 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:13.160 No. 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:16.479 So these are Peter Teal's kind of favorite philosophers that 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.320 have inspired his takes on the anti Christ, And unfortunately 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.960 full audio of these talks is not available publicly. Seven 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.080 hours of so or so have been leaked to a 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.600 couple of different outlets. I don't have them tragically, but 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:32.760 we do have one attendee took word for word nearly 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.480 notes of the first lecture, which got him kicked out 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:38.280 of subsequent lectures. So we've got that, and we've got 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:42.119 articles that have summarized and quoted directly from teal in 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.200 these lectures. So I feel pretty confident that I can 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:47.879 explain what this motherfucker believes to the extent that it 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:51.720 will ever make sense. So before we get into that, 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.760 we should talk about the group that funded this lecture series, 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.280 which is the Acts seventeen Collective. You would have seen 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:00.359 that on the photo of Peter that we post a 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:02.840 little bit earlier if you're watching it. The name of 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:06.280