Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio.
Speaker 3: Podcast Welcome to You, and that's what you really miss
Speaker 3: podcast Whoa Whoa, Whoa Whoa Woe.
Speaker 1: Kitty Wilde is in the house.
Speaker 2: We have the podcast Queen Herself Beca Tobin.
Speaker 1: Without Becca, we wouldn't be here right now.
Speaker 2: No, Beca is the reason why we started podcasting in
Speaker 2: the first place, the reason why we started podcasting about
Speaker 2: Glee in the first place.
Speaker 1: She's so here we are a.
Speaker 2: Brilliant, talented human being.
Speaker 1: Mogul.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, just a little mini mogul.
Speaker 3: It's so funny to hear her talk about Glee though,
Speaker 3: in the way that she does, because sometimes she's like
Speaker 3: so averse to things, and then like all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: she's like, this is the most joyful thing I've everd on,
Speaker 3: and it's so it's it's just surprising to me.
Speaker 2: Sometimes she's a big old softy deep down in that.
Speaker 1: She really is.
Speaker 3: She's it's like that hard funge outside that you crack
Speaker 3: and there's like gooey ice cream inside.
Speaker 2: She is just good people, and I think you have
Speaker 2: to like earn to get into her inner circle. And
Speaker 2: it is so worth it, but once you're in forget it.
Speaker 2: She is loyal to a fault. I mean, if you
Speaker 2: haven't listened to her podcast with Kelsey and Jack called
Speaker 2: The Lady Gang, go Do you live under a Rock? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean it's been like nine years and now literally
Speaker 1: this is back in tel Then enjoy. Hello.
Speaker 4: I just want to tell you it's wow having to
Speaker 4: watch Glee again.
Speaker 1: Which one? Did you watch? The new Rachel You were
Speaker 1: so good though, I know I also love it because
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: I don't want to tell your story, but I have
Speaker 2: since found out that like you didn't even know what
Speaker 2: like how to like hit your mark, no, any of that.
Speaker 4: Pushing that stroller was like the scariest thing of my
Speaker 4: life because Joaquin just walked over to me and was like, hey,
Speaker 4: this is your mark. And I was like, okay, I'm
Speaker 4: using context, clue, I'm assuming my mark means I stand
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was a fucking namer. I'll talk
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: We okay, Well we learned that together. Like, I didn't
Speaker 3: know what that was.
Speaker 1: Did you know what that was?
Speaker 3: Kevin?
Speaker 1: You had done some stuff that was okay, I didn't
Speaker 1: really know what that was. He had done the office.
Speaker 1: Jenna's right, episode so famous, already was a pizza boy.
Speaker 3: But I we were, we were already like locked and
Speaker 3: loaded by the time you started.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you were three seasons and you were like
Speaker 1: such old hat, Like it was such old hat? Is
Speaker 1: that the term? I don't even Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think you're gonna cause old hags, and you wouldn't you
Speaker 2: were old hags, But I was the oldest hag.
Speaker 3: To be clear, you are the oldest you are. You
Speaker 3: will always be the old.
Speaker 4: Wait, I think aside obviously, aside from Corey the girl of.
Speaker 2: The Marks of the Girls, you're the oldest.
Speaker 4: Yes, but like by a couple of months. Jenna stopped giggling.
Speaker 4: He bitch every time she says it. Jenna's just a
Speaker 4: few months younger.
Speaker 1: Leah too.
Speaker 4: Lea's like no August, yeah, Lea's like less February in
Speaker 4: August is a big jump.
Speaker 1: January, okay, January and.
Speaker 2: Okay, even worse.
Speaker 1: Diana too. Diana. Isn't Diana your age? Jenna? Yes, April, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: all rights, smug, look off your face. I actually think
Speaker 1: that Amber is also February.
Speaker 3: February, so you are okay, all right, fair enough, still
Speaker 3: still stand young.
Speaker 1: Thank God. Okay, tell him, tell us how you.
Speaker 3: Got What were you doing in your life? What was
Speaker 3: happening on in your life when you got the call
Speaker 3: to audition Berkeley.
Speaker 4: I was in the middle of my two hundred hours
Speaker 4: yoga certification at Yoga to the People, which I think
Speaker 4: since has been totally canceled in, like you know, there's
Speaker 4: now going back now. No turns out it was not
Speaker 4: a great It was not Yoga to the people. It
Speaker 4: was like yoga yoga for fraud or something. There was
Speaker 4: something sketchy happening there. But I was, yeah, something I
Speaker 4: was in my course because I had just done Rock
Speaker 4: of Ages on Broadway for a couple of years. I
Speaker 4: did the Trans Siberian Orchestra, which I know Kevin is
Speaker 4: a huge Mungus fan of my work.
Speaker 1: In the did the dance last It's Christmas Stripper. I
Speaker 1: don't even know, like what you would call that show
Speaker 1: back then with the flute, you really know it. I
Speaker 1: know it better than I do.
Speaker 2: It's so satisfying because it is like if you could
Speaker 2: sum up what is the gayest possible move, that's it.
Speaker 2: I've done gayer things, but I don't feel I feel
Speaker 2: most gay when doing that dance.
Speaker 1: Same, so I was doing that.
Speaker 4: I did like a big Christmas tour where we toreed arenas,
Speaker 4: and then I was like, you know, fuck this business.
Speaker 4: It's really it's such a grind, and I just don't
Speaker 4: know how long I can do like the hair flip
Speaker 4: and the body rolls and all that. So I was
Speaker 4: really trying to be responsible and like preparing myself for
Speaker 4: what my future held. There's a slightly more longevity in
Speaker 4: yoga teaching. I'm not sure by how much, but a
Speaker 4: little bit, and you still didn't need a college degree,
Speaker 4: which I didn't have.
Speaker 1: So I was.
Speaker 4: Doing that and then I got this call from my
Speaker 4: agent at the time, which was this like really small
Speaker 4: dance agency in New York. She was like, hey, Glee
Speaker 4: is casting for the next season and they're looking for
Speaker 4: a couple new characters and they want to cast out
Speaker 4: in New York and they wanted to be like actual,
Speaker 4: true musical theater people. And so I remember being like
Speaker 4: huck Lee because to all the musical theater people when
Speaker 4: that show came came out, we were all like posers,
Speaker 4: You're not a purist, you know.
Speaker 2: Wait, yes, hold on, what was the talk because I
Speaker 2: know none of that.
Speaker 1: We hate watched it.
Speaker 4: We watched it, but only because you were jealous.
Speaker 1: Of course. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like young, there's no caddier world than Broadway Theater
Speaker 4: and Jenna, you know this well, like, yes, it's kind
Speaker 4: of crazy, how truly we just couldn't celebrate anyone's wins
Speaker 4: because we were all.
Speaker 1: Just so desperate, just fucking desperate.
Speaker 2: But even like you had people who have been on
Speaker 2: Broadway on the show.
Speaker 4: They were traders, you know, Jenna and Leah and Matt,
Speaker 4: Matt and Matt.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah it sold out to TV.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, oh god, and you know, so
Speaker 4: everybody but you know, of course I everyone would drop
Speaker 4: everything to be on the show if asked, because that's
Speaker 4: how the world works, and that's how envy works, and
Speaker 4: that's how you know, we all are. So I get
Speaker 4: this call and I thought it it was for like
Speaker 4: a holiday weekend where I was supposed to be going
Speaker 4: on like some trip with my friends, and I was
Speaker 4: just so inconvenience that I had to move my train
Speaker 4: to day later to audition for Glee because I was like,
Speaker 4: at this point, I had auditioned for so many things
Speaker 4: during the theater days that I knew a I had
Speaker 4: never auditioned for anything on television, and I was like,
Speaker 4: no one's casting me in a TV show.
Speaker 1: This just isn't.
Speaker 2: First TV audition ever ever, you bitch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't worry. The horseshoe quickly fell out
Speaker 4: of my ass. But I went to the audition, and
Speaker 4: I think because I just didn't. I just thought it
Speaker 4: was so far from reality, and you know, it was
Speaker 4: the character.
Speaker 1: I really liked it.
Speaker 4: I had obviously I'm wonderful playing a bitch and life
Speaker 4: was imitating art a little bit more than you know,
Speaker 4: I wanted to admit. I just felt like it's fun
Speaker 4: and I'll do it. And then I had to do
Speaker 4: it was so weird. You had to do like sixteen
Speaker 4: bars of a song, like a pop song, and I
Speaker 4: sang I kissed a girl, not even knowing the show
Speaker 4: that had been on the show, because I didn't watch the.
Speaker 1: Show after the first episode because I was just so
Speaker 1: pissed that it existed.
Speaker 4: And I sang it, I kissed a girl, and then
Speaker 4: I danced and you had to like do your own
Speaker 4: choreography or something.
Speaker 1: It was like a no, yes, and.
Speaker 4: My dance audition made it onto some like DBD like
Speaker 4: I swear I swear in the world, which is upsetting.
Speaker 2: Upset they they learned after casting all of us for
Speaker 2: three years. They were like, we have to make sure
Speaker 2: these kids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I did it and then I got a
Speaker 4: call back and I still at that point felt like
Speaker 4: this is so stupid. I'm not getting this job. And
Speaker 4: then they were like, Okay, you're going to test for
Speaker 4: the show. And I was like, well, didn't I just
Speaker 4: go through a test? That are those tests? Is that
Speaker 4: not a test? And they said a.
Speaker 1: Screen test where you have to fly to LA.
Speaker 4: They're going to fly you there then to put you
Speaker 4: up and you're just going to do it in front
Speaker 4: of all the executives.
Speaker 1: But we're going to do your deal.
Speaker 4: And so they did our deal and everything was so foreign.
Speaker 4: It was like being in another country where I didn't
Speaker 4: speak the language. And I just was moving forward and
Speaker 4: tell doing what everybody told me to do. So I
Speaker 4: went to my audition and I saw a girl there
Speaker 4: that had been I knew her from New York. She
Speaker 4: had been Her name was Natalie, but I can't remember
Speaker 4: her last name. She had been on a soap opera.
Speaker 4: She went from like musical theater to soap opera world,
Speaker 4: and I thought.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, she's going to get this because she just
Speaker 1: was like already cool, already hot. Shit. So I did
Speaker 1: my audition.
Speaker 4: I did not know who Ryan Murphy was when he
Speaker 4: was in the room, and he asked me.
Speaker 1: So like, do you really dance?
Speaker 4: And I said, yeah, I dandy, have you seen these moves?
Speaker 4: And then I left, and I swear on my mother's life.
Speaker 4: I my agent called and said how to go, and
Speaker 4: I said, I think it went really well. And the
Speaker 4: choreographer asked me if I had really danced, and I
Speaker 4: was like, he seemed really excited.
Speaker 1: I mean hopefully.
Speaker 4: I mean he's just the choreographers who knows like how
Speaker 4: much input he.
Speaker 1: It was Ryan Murphy.
Speaker 4: And this is why things were easier before the Internet existed,
Speaker 4: or before it was truly accessible, or before I entered
Speaker 4: into the world of television. I could not put a
Speaker 4: face to a name I didn't and truthfully, if someone
Speaker 4: had said to me that was Ryan Murphy, I don't
Speaker 4: even know if I would have known how truly important
Speaker 4: that man was to this show. Like I just was
Speaker 4: so green, like green is an understatement.
Speaker 1: It was just yeah.
Speaker 4: So I fly home and I knew that if I
Speaker 4: got the job that I would have like a week
Speaker 4: to break my lease in New York and move to
Speaker 4: LA which I'd never lived in LA before. And I
Speaker 4: got the call and I was just shocked. My agent
Speaker 4: was like, it was the best day of her life.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's.
Speaker 3: Salary a couple.
Speaker 1: She was like, this is crazy.
Speaker 4: You're going to be on a TV show and kind
Speaker 4: of like a big character on a TV show. So
Speaker 4: I packed up all my shit and I left and
Speaker 4: went to LA and then, like we were saying, I
Speaker 4: got to a set and I had no idea what
Speaker 4: I was doing again, and I was. It was the
Speaker 4: most intimidating experience of my life. And actually watching the
Speaker 4: episode today, I hadn't watched Glee.
Speaker 1: I don't ten years.
Speaker 4: It's probably been ten years, and that episode I probably
Speaker 4: haven't watched since.
Speaker 2: It came out.
Speaker 4: That year was twenty twelve, I think was season four
Speaker 4: or at least when we filmed it. But watching it back,
Speaker 4: I actually have to say that I can't believe how
Speaker 4: I was able to keep my shit together because I
Speaker 4: wasn't horrible and I looked like but I'd done it before,
Speaker 4: kind of I forgot some of the lines I said
Speaker 4: were so incredibly inappropriate, and this is zero recollection of that.
Speaker 4: But I yeah, it was so scary, it was so terrifying.
Speaker 1: Was your first scene with Jane? Uh huh?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: For television?
Speaker 2: God?
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, And.
Speaker 4: I'll never forget. I'll never forget. I was such a
Speaker 4: massive Jane fan. I mean, all the Christopher guest movies
Speaker 4: I was. I could quote them. So I just thought,
Speaker 4: this is so amazing. But I'm also the type of
Speaker 4: person where I would rather not have those opportunities, do
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think we're all kind of the same in that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to rise to the occasion.
Speaker 1: I don't want the occasion, Like, let me observe, don't
Speaker 1: try me.
Speaker 4: So I just remember sitting there and they brought out
Speaker 4: the cast chairs, so you know, between scenes, between setups
Speaker 4: all that stuff, everybody goes and they sits in their chair,
Speaker 4: and there was a chair with Jane's name on it,
Speaker 4: and there was a chair I think it was just Jane.
Speaker 1: Oh no, Chris was.
Speaker 4: In that scene too, And then they brought out another
Speaker 4: chair and I just stood there for like thirty minutes,
Speaker 4: and Jane was like, hey, you can sit down, like
Speaker 4: you can totally and I'm like, no, no, no, I'm totally fine.
Speaker 4: And I didn't realize the chair they brought out was
Speaker 4: for me, like it said cast I didn't have like
Speaker 4: my Becca Tobin chair yet, but I didn't sit until
Speaker 4: like six hours in and I.
Speaker 1: Thought, okay, well, I guess this is why they have chairs.
Speaker 1: Like it's a long damn day. She just stood next
Speaker 1: to the chair.
Speaker 4: I stood next to the chair like the most awkward
Speaker 4: person you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 1: But I will never forget.
Speaker 4: Jane was sitting there on her phone and they were like, okay,
Speaker 4: ready for ready for what do they say, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 4: We're ready for first Team and Jane goes, hang.
Speaker 1: On, I'm more in a ring a tankini.
Speaker 4: And I was just like this is so epic, Like
Speaker 4: I wish I wasn't here because now I have to
Speaker 4: go on set and like do a scene with her,
Speaker 4: and I don't want those stakes to be that high.
Speaker 4: But I also I am so grateful that I'm sitting
Speaker 4: here just watching Jane Lynch order at.
Speaker 1: Tentertaining watching Jane Lynch just be is such a gift.
Speaker 4: It was so amazing, and I just and I didn't
Speaker 4: know what I was doing at all. But it's so
Speaker 4: weird because you know, by the time you're on a
Speaker 4: TV show, one would hope that you've had some kind
Speaker 4: of a lesson in acting in front of a camera. No,
Speaker 4: but there wasn't, and no one thought to look at
Speaker 4: my resume and say, hmm, this is strange.
Speaker 1: She's only ever performed on the stage with.
Speaker 4: Live audiences and never in front of a camera unless
Speaker 4: it was some like weird. I think I did, like
Speaker 4: some dance commercials, you know, where I was like a
Speaker 4: background dancer or something.
Speaker 1: But that was it. It was so scary.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Did you ever have aspirations of being like on camera
Speaker 2: or was it just like you went to Amada right? Yeah,
Speaker 2: so like you were always just like a theater girl.
Speaker 1: Just theater straight up.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to be in the chorus of every
Speaker 4: musical and maybe understudy the lead role if it didn't
Speaker 4: sing too high.
Speaker 2: Aspirations were high really for the start.
Speaker 4: I never wanted, guys. I never wanted to be a star. Okay,
Speaker 4: I know it's hard to believe, but I never.
Speaker 2: Thought I want to sometimes if you got it, you
Speaker 2: got it. You can't help it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 4: A guess what the choreographer that day aka Ryan Murphy,
Speaker 4: he saw.
Speaker 1: Something, he saw something in me.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I never wanted to walk a red carpet.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to do interviews. I'm not complaining. It
Speaker 4: was I mean, I still hate walking red carpet. It's
Speaker 4: like the worst thing ever of this whole job. But
Speaker 4: like you know, it just was weird. It was so
Speaker 4: it was the whole thing was so weird.
Speaker 2: This makes so much sense now, is why we got
Speaker 2: along and get along. Yeah, it's because I think we
Speaker 2: have a collective rejection of like this shit is stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is all so silly.
Speaker 1: Don't need it.
Speaker 4: I'm we're we like can't we couldn't buy in, And
Speaker 4: you have to buy in. You have to buy in
Speaker 4: at a certain point, you know, drink the kool aid.
Speaker 4: Drink your own kool aid. I don't think the three
Speaker 4: of us have ever had a sip of our own
Speaker 4: kool aid.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean maybe maybe a little.
Speaker 2: I mean I probably did at some point.
Speaker 4: We had like maybe half a cut yea possibly, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: never once on this show though, No, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: it was we never took ourselves seriously on the show.
Speaker 3: That's why it's hard to rewatch because I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: she wasn't there that day.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about me.
Speaker 4: I wasn't you committed on this new Rachel episode.
Speaker 1: I was here. I was there for it. That's why
Speaker 1: I said.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of the fans have told this,
Speaker 3: like season three was one of the best seasons. We
Speaker 3: loved season three, but I was still very intimidated and
Speaker 3: there was very much this kind of like rank and
Speaker 3: so when I was technically like the upper classmen, when
Speaker 3: you guys came in, it was like we were the
Speaker 3: leaders and we were kind of the one setting the
Speaker 3: tone and it was so fun and you guys came
Speaker 3: in and like fit in right away, and we had
Speaker 3: like we just had so much fun that it was.
Speaker 3: It was a different dynamic, not that the original like
Speaker 3: the first three weren't that, but it was just different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we were still very much learning on the job,
Speaker 2: Like you said that, Yeah, when you came on, and
Speaker 2: I think now having like people to like shepherd in
Speaker 2: and show the ropes, it made us feel more secure
Speaker 2: and like oh, we know what we're doing. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 2: we got this. And I was just saying to Jenna
Speaker 2: about the new racial episode where there's something in like
Speaker 2: her performance that feels more mature or grown and more confident,
Speaker 2: like she has a presence that she did not have
Speaker 2: the first three seasons. Yeah, and I think maybe part
Speaker 2: of that is that there's new kids here and to
Speaker 2: sort of be the leaders of this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah, Tina was very confident in
Speaker 4: the new Rachel. I loved it. She's pretty different. She's
Speaker 4: doing something.
Speaker 1: She has she's lived a little bit. Now, what what
Speaker 1: was your contract? Like, uh, this is wild.
Speaker 4: So it was a guaranteed six episode guest star.
Speaker 1: So it was a recurring guest star. Wow.
Speaker 4: So it was like our trial. They wanted to make
Speaker 4: sure that they didn't cast the wrong people.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they did. They caught it later.
Speaker 4: They caught it too late though, and they gave us
Speaker 4: that And I remember my agent explaining to me that
Speaker 4: if you know, like it could go on, because you know,
Speaker 4: you do the test deal, so like they say, potentially
Speaker 4: you could be doing seven season this. So we're going
Speaker 4: to set it up so that you that's what we're
Speaker 4: prepared for so it was like this weird. We knew
Speaker 4: we were auditioning for more, and I just thought, why
Speaker 4: am I moving across the country and breaking my lease
Speaker 4: and doing all these things? If I could just I
Speaker 4: could potentially only be doing six episodes of a twenty
Speaker 4: two season show and then like never come back again.
Speaker 4: So what sucked about that experience was that every after
Speaker 4: episode six, every single week that the new scripts would
Speaker 4: come out, we would just see if our names were
Speaker 4: in them. So every for twenty two episodes, we just
Speaker 4: waited and waited.
Speaker 1: And there was one in there that I was not in,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is it, this is it.
Speaker 1: It's over, Like it's over before it even began.
Speaker 4: And I just remember that when we got our I
Speaker 4: think we did season four, and then we were at
Speaker 4: our photo shoot for season five and we still hadn't
Speaker 4: been told that our contracts were being executed.
Speaker 1: So I was playing I was at the photo shoot.
Speaker 4: We were shooting all the you know, that was like
Speaker 4: the season that we were on, like in those boxes,
Speaker 4: so like me and Blake and Jacob and Melissa, and
Speaker 4: we're just sitting there being like, this is so weird.
Speaker 4: No one has even told us that we're part of
Speaker 4: next season and we were going to be series regulars
Speaker 4: if we were going back, but we still didn't know that.
Speaker 4: And I remember I went to the bathroom because my
Speaker 4: manager Ricky had called me. Went to the bathroom and
Speaker 4: I answered, He's like, I have great news, two really
Speaker 4: exciting things. That was the first and last time that
Speaker 4: I've ever gotten that call from him, and he said,
Speaker 4: I you're getting picked up for season five. I was like, well, obviously,
Speaker 4: I'm at the fucking photo shoot. And then he said,
Speaker 4: and You've been nominated for a Teen Choice Award for
Speaker 4: Best Villain. And I remember sitting on the toilet and
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what I'm in.
Speaker 1: I'm in. I'm That was it.
Speaker 2: I love that in a year, you went from I've
Speaker 2: never been on TV, don't really care about doing it
Speaker 2: to being nominated for Choice to work for Best Village
Speaker 2: while you're well when.
Speaker 1: She drank the kool aid.
Speaker 4: That was I remember walking out of that bathroom a
Speaker 4: different woman. Watch Out World, Watch Out, I'm a surfboard
Speaker 4: might be in my future.
Speaker 2: There was also you all like all the new kids kids,
Speaker 2: even though you're my elder Shut up, Grandma.
Speaker 1: I was twenty six. That was like a grown woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to be twenty six. Shut up, hey,
Speaker 2: but you were also respectful because like you weren't like
Speaker 2: why would you come onto the show with us old
Speaker 2: hags and like talk about those things, Like people didn't
Speaker 2: talk about money. And there's also not this you know
Speaker 2: now you go on and make sure like the leading
Speaker 2: female characters make the same amount of money as the
Speaker 2: leading male characters. Like there was not this vocabulary or
Speaker 2: openness about these things. And it took almost until the
Speaker 2: end of season four when we were on and I
Speaker 2: thought we were all we were all close, we all
Speaker 2: bonded hard, but still that's like a weird work thing
Speaker 2: that you don't really like breach, you don't.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 2: And there was one day I even remember like the
Speaker 2: look in your eyes of like you brought up I
Speaker 2: think maybe all the new kids were talking about it,
Speaker 2: and we were also on stage and you know us,
Speaker 2: we're nosy as hell, and the secrets and be like, hey,
Speaker 2: so what you're talking about? And then you're like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: if you want to know, we've averaged the amount of
Speaker 2: money we're making, we've been working and it's just a
Speaker 2: little better than minimum.
Speaker 4: Just slightly, Like we all would have made more money
Speaker 4: putting in those hours.
Speaker 1: At Starbucks, right, Like it was. That was the craziest part.
Speaker 4: I'm so grateful that I wasn't resentful of that fact
Speaker 4: at all, because I was just so grateful I was
Speaker 4: still making way more than I was in theater, even
Speaker 4: that I was working my ass off. But at that time,
Speaker 4: I didn't care about working my ass off. I didn't
Speaker 4: have anything to like go home to or do it
Speaker 4: outside of this job, and like we were each other's
Speaker 4: social lives. So I was like, I'm not complaining, but
Speaker 4: this is fucking wild because I don't know how much
Speaker 4: those assholes are making.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're working the same amount of.
Speaker 2: Hours, which I think was helpful because I think we
Speaker 2: were Also we had become family and we're like, okay.
Speaker 1: That's complete crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we've seen it happened with Cord where they
Speaker 2: kept Cord on for two seasons as a guest star
Speaker 2: and really.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, this season was the first season that he
Speaker 3: was a series regular.
Speaker 4: Okay, I kind of do, I kind of do remember that, yeah,
Speaker 4: but I didn't know he did two seasons of a
Speaker 4: guest star that's rough.
Speaker 2: I mean because there were so many of us. The
Speaker 2: show was so a lot of times when you have
Speaker 2: these shows, the thing that becomes most expensive if the
Speaker 2: show is successful.
Speaker 1: Is the cast. Yeah, soo many people, but we.
Speaker 2: Were not the most. Ever, the most expensive part of
Speaker 2: that show. That's great. The music, the sets, it was
Speaker 2: just a gigantic yeah undertaking.
Speaker 4: I think you know someone I wish I could remember
Speaker 4: who from the crew, maybe Joey. I'm so mad at myself,
Speaker 4: but I remember when we got our season where we
Speaker 4: became series regulars, he kind of gave us this like
Speaker 4: cautionary tale of having worked on other shows before with
Speaker 4: people who got their big break and then eventually were broke.
Speaker 4: And so he's like, yes, don't buy a flashy car,
Speaker 4: just get some crazy like apartment with this high rent,
Speaker 4: like all of these things. And I will never forget
Speaker 4: that moment because I was like I was fifty percent
Speaker 4: of me was like, not going to be me. I'm
Speaker 4: just going to keep rolling in this monopoly money. And
Speaker 4: then fifty percent of me was like, he probably is
Speaker 4: something he's been around, he knows, you know, something I
Speaker 4: don't know, And I just won't forget it because like, yes,
Speaker 4: I mean it is. It's so wild to make that
Speaker 4: much money so young, and then most of us kind
Speaker 4: of stopped working for a long time, like long, like
Speaker 4: longer than average.
Speaker 2: That's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's a whole other conversation. I agree with you.
Speaker 3: Michael Melly was the one who told us early on.
Speaker 3: He said, don't spend your money. Yeah, invest in real
Speaker 3: estate and get out, Like that's it. He's like, just
Speaker 3: be nice to people, get some real estate and like
Speaker 3: save your money.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is so true. I mean I listened sort of,
Speaker 4: but like it's hard. It's so hard. And I remember,
Speaker 4: did you guys have an experience with so we were
Speaker 4: kind of what the year social media Instagram started was
Speaker 4: the year I started the show.
Speaker 1: It was still like a baby platform. It wasn't this
Speaker 1: big thing.
Speaker 4: I remember the show ended and it was probably within
Speaker 4: the next six months anything I did on the internet
Speaker 4: or social media, there was a slew of people telling
Speaker 4: me I was no longer relevant. And this was like
Speaker 4: six six months after the show ended, And I remember
Speaker 4: those people put like a hex on me, and I
Speaker 4: remember thinking, they're right, it's been six months, Like where
Speaker 4: is my next hit show, like this crazy expectation, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's what's wild is that I now, if
Speaker 4: it had been six months since then, like with everything
Speaker 4: that I know, it wouldn't have even penetrated my psyche.
Speaker 1: But it s fucked me up so.
Speaker 4: Hard that I swear it was like a curse that
Speaker 4: was put on me where I was like, you've gotten
Speaker 4: your own way totally. I was like, they're right, I'm
Speaker 4: so irrelevant. I'm so irrelevant. I haven't been on TV
Speaker 4: in six months, and it's like, wow, they should have
Speaker 4: really find me now, you know what I mean. This
Speaker 4: is a level of irrelevance that I can't even quite describe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, they think they can attack us online
Speaker 2: with those lines like guys, we've said way worse about
Speaker 2: ourselves to ourselves, Like there's nothing you can possibly say
Speaker 2: that will make us feel more relevant than we make
Speaker 2: ourselves feel daily.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's a gift. It's quite the gift. I
Speaker 5: was talking to my friend today who she grew up
Speaker 5: on a TV show and hasn't worked in a while,
Speaker 5: and because she's like everyone associates me with being just
Speaker 5: like nineteen year old daughter on this TV show and
Speaker 5: I go, yeah, And for most of us, everyone associates
Speaker 5: us so hard with these characters unless we're being hired
Speaker 5: by people who have previously hired us. Yeah, mine is
Speaker 5: like Harry or doing theater things. Yeah, no one's really
Speaker 5: like outside of the Ryan Murphew world or outside like
Speaker 5: no one has done that much. But there is a
Speaker 5: weird thing where like think fuck like Heather is.
Speaker 4: It was like almost better than not not quite as good,
Speaker 4: but like almost as good as if it was me
Speaker 4: doing it. And I can genuinely say that, yes I am.
Speaker 4: I am a jealous bitch, but for some reason, when
Speaker 4: it comes to us, I am like I will not
Speaker 4: I will not die until I see all of us
Speaker 4: back doing something that we love, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's like a weird It's like this weird thing. So
Speaker 4: when Heather that was announced, and even like with Harry,
Speaker 4: it's been a couple of years, but I remember the
Speaker 4: beginning of Harry's like resurgence, I just thought saying, God,
Speaker 4: you know, it was like this.
Speaker 1: Weird stupid curse.
Speaker 4: Like I'm saying, it's like yes, and it's so it's
Speaker 4: so bizarre. I just had a meeting in La in
Speaker 4: the last year and talking, you know, those general meetings
Speaker 4: where you're with an executive who's running a studio, And
Speaker 4: you know, I hadn't done that in ten years since,
Speaker 4: or maybe a little bit less than that, like since
Speaker 4: the show ended. I hadn't sat in front of an
Speaker 4: executive to be like, hey, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And she was talking to me about some pilots that
Speaker 4: are coming out, and she was like, oh, you know,
Speaker 4: there is this pilot. But you know, I just think
Speaker 4: it's like a you fall between the cracks of like age,
Speaker 4: you know, it's like moms and then it's like twenties.
Speaker 4: And I was like, hello him, I'm a mother. I'm
Speaker 4: a I'm a fucking mother. I am thirty eight years old.
Speaker 4: Can we can we accept and embrace this fact? But
Speaker 4: it's so hard for people to see that we are
Speaker 4: grown ups now, Like we all look too young.
Speaker 2: We look we're in no man's land of ages, which
Speaker 2: a nice thing to hear. It is for like personal
Speaker 2: life great, like yes, I'm rotted on the inside.
Speaker 3: Somebody said to you though, that because we remind them
Speaker 3: of a long, long, long time ago, then we make
Speaker 3: them feel old.
Speaker 4: I think that about you two, Not that you make
Speaker 4: people feel old, but I think you guys's faces are
Speaker 4: synonymous with and your voices and all those things are
Speaker 4: like with that you like with that show, you know.
Speaker 4: I think the reason that some people, I mean, listen,
Speaker 4: she's so talented, but like I think Melissa has worked
Speaker 4: so much because she didn't really, like we weren't there
Speaker 4: long enough for people to associate our faces and our
Speaker 4: likeness with the show. So I think, like I have
Speaker 4: no excuses what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I.
Speaker 2: Mean Alex has also crushed.
Speaker 1: Crushed, crushed, So maybe it's not a pattern. It's just
Speaker 1: me and Jacob, Me and Jacob, It's just us. It's
Speaker 1: a hard thing. It's also because it.
Speaker 3: Was such a juggernaut it was, and it was such
Speaker 3: a big piece that it's hard to separate. Like you
Speaker 3: look at other shows and you're like, oh, well, of course,
Speaker 3: like that's blah blah blah from that show. They will
Speaker 3: always follow you. But how do you break the mold
Speaker 3: or have fun somebody who's willing to take a chance
Speaker 3: on you to break that mold or approve them.
Speaker 2: I also think it's like a uniquely American like TV thing. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: we're like Alex wanted to do theater. Alex fucked off
Speaker 2: to New York and like really like found the thing
Speaker 2: that was going to like and I fought for that
Speaker 2: and then also put out all these songs and was
Speaker 2: just like doing everything and carved out an entire lane. Yeah,
Speaker 2: where I think in the TV world in America they
Speaker 2: just want to type cast all the time and need
Speaker 2: everyone to like have a break from us. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: so then you get into the you are so out
Speaker 2: of sight and so out of mind and pie design.
Speaker 1: Yeah, putting you in this box and.
Speaker 2: You're going to live in this box.
Speaker 4: For for us, it's like you're going to play a
Speaker 4: fun game how can you pay your mortgage until we
Speaker 4: take you out of your box. But we're not going
Speaker 4: to tell you when your box is being taken out.
Speaker 2: So like I went off to London as soon as
Speaker 2: the show was done because I was like, I need
Speaker 2: a break. Because also, when you're in this thing, we're
Speaker 2: getting offers every single year during the season to do things,
Speaker 2: and we don't necessarily have time to do those things
Speaker 2: or allow to do those things, but we were all
Speaker 2: getting offers constantly, and so it feels like when you're
Speaker 2: used to that, that's just how things are going to be.
Speaker 2: And I went off to England for like a year,
Speaker 2: was so happy to like have something else to do.
Speaker 2: But when I came back, I was like, wait, I
Speaker 2: think I fucked up. Yeah, I think I was gone
Speaker 2: too long. No, not long enough.
Speaker 4: No, I just I just think it's like this weird
Speaker 4: like it's a blessing.
Speaker 1: It's a blessing and a curse.
Speaker 4: You know. There's people's careers that I look at and
Speaker 4: I think it would have been really interesting to have
Speaker 4: had baby steps in this business and start on like
Speaker 4: indies and start on smaller shows or smart you know,
Speaker 4: like that trajectory, and then by the time you get
Speaker 4: your quote big break, I think it's easier.
Speaker 1: It's you usually can sustain a little bit.
Speaker 4: Like it's like the fifteen minutes of fame thing happens
Speaker 4: so often with like those teen shows. Also, you know,
Speaker 4: I think if the show had been some adult show,
Speaker 4: it would be different. Also because it's such a weird
Speaker 4: fan base. It's such a devoted fan base. But they're
Speaker 4: very young, so they're not going to put you on
Speaker 4: another show with that demographic, or maybe they will, but
Speaker 4: they weren't casting any of us, and then they're not
Speaker 4: going to put you on like an adult show because
Speaker 4: they're like, well, none of the fans are going to
Speaker 4: follow because it's too their children still are seen as children.
Speaker 4: So it's just this weird. And also watching back, watching
Speaker 4: the show for the first time in such a long time,
Speaker 4: it is the tone of the show was so specific,
Speaker 4: like they're really hasn't been since or before a show
Speaker 4: in the same tone. And that is hard as an
Speaker 4: actor too, because then you go into audition for things
Speaker 4: and if you so much as sprinkle in that tone,
Speaker 4: they're like, nope, it's so Glee.
Speaker 1: It's so Glee.
Speaker 2: Yes, and we and they did start to write, you know,
Speaker 2: our characters more similar to who we are as people.
Speaker 2: So when you do go into other auditions like well,
Speaker 2: this is me. Everything's going to be infected by Artie
Speaker 2: because that's just me. Yeah, it's something I guess that's already.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, why do you think Artie did that?
Speaker 2: Like I did that.
Speaker 1: It's so weird.
Speaker 4: It's so weird, and we're just complaining and I feel
Speaker 4: bad complaining.
Speaker 1: But it's also just been it's the real talk a
Speaker 1: lot to.
Speaker 4: Unpack, Like it's just been the last went to the
Speaker 4: show end twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nine years.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, it's a lot to unpack, and there's been
Speaker 3: a lot of time to like step away from it,
Speaker 3: and then with the pandemic and everything, there's just a
Speaker 3: lot of things that life happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When we talk on the show now and the way
Speaker 3: that Ryan set like the tone for it, it's like
Speaker 3: we're not complaining, we're just unloading.
Speaker 2: I honestly think the three of us are all very
Speaker 2: secure and like the job doesn't define us or it's
Speaker 2: something that we love to do. We like we would
Speaker 2: love to be acting constantly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But at
Speaker 2: the same time, it's like we're pretty well balanced, normal
Speaker 2: people in comparison to a lot of people in this business. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like we're fine, But at the same time, it's
Speaker 2: like these are the realities, and like we have a
Speaker 2: lot of friends who are also in this position. And
Speaker 2: I think at this age as well, like what you
Speaker 2: were talking about with Becca, like I don't really get
Speaker 2: jealous of other people because I like there's so much
Speaker 2: room for everybody to have success. Yeah, I just want
Speaker 2: somebody to have it, Like anytime anyone in our group
Speaker 2: like I'm ecstatic, like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Go for it.
Speaker 2: There was zero percent jealousy or envy. It's like, get
Speaker 2: everyone out there. Everyone is so talented. And I think
Speaker 2: the beauty of what Ryan and co. Can do is
Speaker 2: see that in us, put us like maybe we wouldn't
Speaker 2: have gotten hired on another.
Speaker 1: Show, guaranteed that I will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so like same and so like it
Speaker 2: was nice that he saw that, saw that, and like Robert,
Speaker 2: they put us together somehow. Yeah, and maybe we're just
Speaker 2: a little specific taste. Yeah, you know, totally.
Speaker 3: So you did work on another TV show after that
Speaker 3: with one of your Glee members, with one of our
Speaker 3: Glee crew people's turn on who oh, oh my god,
Speaker 3: just like this what did I do?
Speaker 4: Honestly, it was during the pandemic like dead in like
Speaker 4: dead Center twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Like I just at the t was such a weird
Speaker 3: I can't even work during that time.
Speaker 1: It was so weird.
Speaker 2: When you are so overloaded with information at certain times
Speaker 2: in your life like this, when you're filming a TV
Speaker 2: show during a pandemic COVID and you're just trying to
Speaker 2: like get through the memories are not.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's hard.
Speaker 2: No, they're not there because every day you're just trying
Speaker 2: to survive.
Speaker 1: It was just make it your day. It was such
Speaker 1: a weird experience. What was the show like?
Speaker 3: You know, the COVID aside, right, which I'm sure added
Speaker 3: a fabulous flavor layer. What was it like after working
Speaker 3: on the machine and then going to a different TV show?
Speaker 4: You know, I was glad that between Glee and Turner
Speaker 4: and Hooch, I had done like a couple guest stars
Speaker 4: here and there, and then a couple homework movies in
Speaker 4: the mix. Like, I was glad that I didn't get
Speaker 4: super rusty and I'd like been on sets in the
Speaker 4: last year or two, but I still felt well. To
Speaker 4: be perfectly honest, I didn't realize how special Glee was
Speaker 4: until working on another show. And not to say that
Speaker 4: other show wasn't a wonderful experience. And I I loved everyone.
Speaker 4: I mean, Josh Peck was the lead of that show,
Speaker 4: and I still think that he is like one of
Speaker 4: the greatest people that I've ever worked with as far
Speaker 4: as like how present he is, how there he is
Speaker 4: for other cast members, how like he's number one on
Speaker 4: the call sheet. There's never a single complaint that ever
Speaker 4: left the guy's mouth. He's always happy to see everybody,
Speaker 4: like in a stressful time.
Speaker 1: Like I still I do love it.
Speaker 4: But you know, when I was watching Glee today and
Speaker 4: when I had that experience, I have the exact same
Speaker 4: feeling where I'm so I'm so sad that that experience
Speaker 4: had an expiration date, like just specifically Glee. It's just there,
Speaker 4: you know, it's like one of those once in a
Speaker 4: lifetime And you know, I think when we were shooting
Speaker 4: the show, no, I know, when we were shooting the show,
Speaker 4: I thought, you have to soak every moment of this
Speaker 4: in because I knew nothing about the business and how
Speaker 4: it worked.
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about anything.
Speaker 4: But I did know, like weirdly in my subconscious that
Speaker 4: this experience would never be duplicated or anything would ever
Speaker 4: come close. And so like now when I do shows,
Speaker 4: it's just different.
Speaker 1: It's fine. I'm so grateful.
Speaker 4: I love working, I love acting, I love being creative,
Speaker 4: but all that other stuff is missing, that other magic,
Speaker 4: you know. So and again, it was the middle of pandemic.
Speaker 4: We couldn't be that social, So who's to say that
Speaker 4: it couldn't have been so similar experience, and we only
Speaker 4: had one season, so I didn't have the time to
Speaker 4: like really get to know each other.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing. It's just so it's just crazy.
Speaker 4: To watch that episode of Glee because I stayed away
Speaker 4: from it for so long because it is sort of
Speaker 4: this it makes me sad like it.
Speaker 1: I remember at one point Leah.
Speaker 4: Asked me if I had watched because she had gone
Speaker 4: back and like started to watch some old episodes, and
Speaker 4: I was like, I can't do it, Like I just
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I just couldn't do it, And
Speaker 4: now I know exactly why, because it's just so bittersweet,
Speaker 4: Like I it's grief.
Speaker 1: It's full on grief.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in so many ways, in like a million fucking ways.
Speaker 4: But I'm grateful for it, Like I would never change it.
Speaker 4: It's an experience like that. I know for the rest
Speaker 4: of my life, not much will compare in that space,
Speaker 4: career space at least for sure. For sure it doesn't
Speaker 4: happen like that on the set of Hallmark Movies.
Speaker 2: If you can do it, I felt really crowd of
Speaker 2: the show. The other day, another conversation with another friend
Speaker 2: about how the theater I've never done theater. You both have,
Speaker 2: but the bond you get from doing theater because you
Speaker 2: all have to have some sort of cohesion relationship in
Speaker 2: connection to like make the show happen every single night. Ye,
Speaker 2: Like it's just you guys on that stage getting through it.
Speaker 2: And he was saying from the TV he's done. He
Speaker 2: doesn't ever get he's never gotten that feeling. And I
Speaker 2: was like, who is this a friend of mine? He's
Speaker 2: on two different TV shows right now, but he's not
Speaker 2: a regular on either.
Speaker 3: I think he's a record on both. Yeah, and the
Speaker 3: feeling and they from theater on TV.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's familial connection of all. And I was thinking
Speaker 2: in my head, how I've had the complete opposite experience. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And one of those reminders because the crew would tell
Speaker 2: us too about like how unique and special our experience was,
Speaker 2: but we just we had no compared to Yeah. And
Speaker 2: it was another one like here I am nine years
Speaker 2: later talking to a friend of mine and to silently
Speaker 2: sitting there being like, Wow, that's like this guy works
Speaker 2: all the time and you've never felt that, And like
Speaker 2: I felt nothing but that, like there was no.
Speaker 1: Like there moved together. Basically you shared dressing rooms.
Speaker 2: In every week to have there so many seasons together, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: Like that is also such a gift. And also shows
Speaker 2: nowadays are eight to twelve episodes, yeah for a season,
Speaker 2: and we were doing twenty two every single year for
Speaker 2: nine and a half months out of the year, and
Speaker 2: so we had to bond. And I think we grew
Speaker 2: up around stories of like salacious tabloid stories about leads
Speaker 2: of shows not getting along and how horrible that is,
Speaker 2: and hearing from the crew how horrible that is, and
Speaker 2: we never any fracture, Like as the show went on,
Speaker 2: when they're started to be maybe a little unraveling, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we all just banded together to be like, let's straighten
Speaker 2: this shit out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because we're not true. There is like a true
Speaker 4: mob mentality with Glee. Like it's the type of thing
Speaker 4: where I'm like, I can talk shit about my family,
Speaker 4: I can say whatever I want, but the moment that
Speaker 4: you say a fucking word, if you weren't part of
Speaker 4: that family, you shut your damn mouth.
Speaker 1: Like you It's a weird.
Speaker 4: Thing and a weird loyalty that I will forever have.
Speaker 4: And it's like, if you weren't in those four walls
Speaker 4: or sometimes three walls of that stage, Like, shut your
Speaker 4: fucking mouth.
Speaker 1: You don't know a thing.
Speaker 4: And if you were there, and you weren't there for
Speaker 4: long and you had a snippet of that experience, you
Speaker 4: also don't know a thing.
Speaker 1: So it's this sacred.
Speaker 4: Place and it's been It's such a hard thing to maintain, too,
Speaker 4: because everywhere you go, if people are like, oh, you're
Speaker 4: on Glee, tell me how they just and I'm like,
Speaker 4: it's then your business, it's none of your business, and
Speaker 4: it's just a weird thing.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, it's like that, you know. No.
Speaker 2: I think that is the disconnection that is a huge,
Speaker 2: I think public disconnection between if we and the perception
Speaker 2: if we are being critical of certain experiences on the show,
Speaker 2: that in no way a translates into that we did
Speaker 2: not love the show, love being on the show, and
Speaker 2: love everyone on the show. Yeah, and like you said,
Speaker 2: I can talk shit about my family, but you can't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you can try, but like you're you're not talking
Speaker 2: about the same thing, right, you have no idea. No,
Speaker 2: you weren't there, and that's fine, but you need to
Speaker 2: recognize that you weren't there. You weren't there, and like
Speaker 2: just because I'm being if I'm talking critical about like Jenna,
Speaker 2: wasn't saying this one day. But don't you dare.
Speaker 1: Fucking say a bad thing about Jenna because I wouldn't
Speaker 1: cut your head off.
Speaker 3: So true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's really, it's so it's something that like
Speaker 4: I don't think we'll ever like I said, it's not
Speaker 4: gonna be duplicated, but I'm just glad it is what
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 3: Kevin and I realized that we don't remember anything from
Speaker 3: the show. We have zero memory from the show. But
Speaker 3: I'm curious if there's like moments or parts of the
Speaker 3: show or days on set that like stick out in
Speaker 3: your mind.
Speaker 4: I had such vivid memories of that time. It's so
Speaker 4: weird because.
Speaker 2: It was like how we think about the first season.
Speaker 2: We remember everything. Yes, this was your first season, this is.
Speaker 1: My first I remember so many things.
Speaker 4: It was like, I yeah, like anything in particular, I
Speaker 4: mean aside from this first scene with Jane where it's
Speaker 4: just like, I mean, I blacked out, But I also
Speaker 4: remember every detail kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Where it's just panic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that season in particular, we were spending so much
Speaker 4: time together like socially on and off screen, that there
Speaker 4: were often those five am call times and we were
Speaker 4: like walking in our doors at two am the night
Speaker 4: before because we'd been out like partying together. Yes, that's
Speaker 4: so many hungover mornings, so many.
Speaker 3: I mean, I I think it was our group of
Speaker 3: friends that there was a point where I was like,
Speaker 3: I can't drink before we go to work anymore because
Speaker 3: I feel awful, Like I feel really bad and I
Speaker 3: just like don't look good and I'm not my best
Speaker 3: I like had to cut it off and was like
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 4: I remember, we like would leave for lunch, and even
Speaker 4: though we had like from from door to door, it
Speaker 4: was a true hour, there's no wiggle room, but we
Speaker 4: just refused to stay on the lot to eat lunch together.
Speaker 4: We would go to Larchmont and just shovel sushi in
Speaker 4: our mouths or like it was just and we would
Speaker 4: all go together, like it was just such a thing.
Speaker 4: We all went together, and some days I would decide
Speaker 4: to leave my cheerleading skirt on and put sweats underneath,
Speaker 4: and then we're walking around Larchmont and people are like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, it's the fucking gleek ass, Like do
Speaker 4: you remember how funny that used to be. We would
Speaker 4: just be walking now around in the world with my
Speaker 4: ugly fucking ponytail and you couldn't take the pony out.
Speaker 4: That pony was glued to my head and like, oh,
Speaker 4: I had my one of my like many uniforms because
Speaker 4: it was, like, you know, the only thing I ever
Speaker 4: wore on the show for three years, and I at
Speaker 4: the end of the show, I took one and I
Speaker 4: put it in a shadow box for my dad, and
Speaker 4: next to it is my press shot from like that
Speaker 4: first season of me in my cheerios outfit in my
Speaker 4: slick back ponytail. It's at my parents' house and my son,
Speaker 4: who's two, was playing in the room that it's in
Speaker 4: and he suddenly like looked up at it, that at it,
Speaker 4: and he was like.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, mama. I was like, yeah, it's mama,
Speaker 1: and then he goes, I don't like it. I don't
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: He hates it. He hates it. Every day we'd go
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it.
Speaker 4: I was like, whoa, I don't like it. I didn't
Speaker 4: be more honest. I just remember screening the episodes during
Speaker 4: those days at lunch. I remember it was the first
Speaker 4: time anybody had ever commented on the way that I looked.
Speaker 4: I remember somebody saying that I looked like a housewife
Speaker 4: in a Halloween costume.
Speaker 1: I remember.
Speaker 4: I remember that was my first taste of being criticized
Speaker 4: and seeing it like it was just so other than
Speaker 4: like one weirdo who saw Rock of Ages on Broadway
Speaker 4: and was upset that I didn't climb up the stripper
Speaker 4: pole as high as the girl who did the part.
Speaker 1: Originally.
Speaker 4: That was like the only level of like weird bullying
Speaker 4: I'd ever experienced.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I just expe of you.
Speaker 4: He just expected more, so did you? And apparently you
Speaker 4: didn't like the way I looked in that costume. But wow, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I just remember sorting out all of those like weird
Speaker 4: experiences and having our premiere party, and I remember walking
Speaker 4: into like our season four premiere party on the lot
Speaker 4: and looking around my face was like they'd made cloths
Speaker 4: with our faces on them, statues framed everything. Like I
Speaker 4: just it was such a weird experience, like to walk
Speaker 4: on a red carpet and to talk about the show,
Speaker 4: and then to walk into this party where your face
Speaker 4: is plastered everywhere and everyone there knows who you are,
Speaker 4: and it's just like, yeah, so bizarre.
Speaker 2: That's bokers because like when we first started, there was
Speaker 2: obviously a huge lag, like we shot, we shot the pilot,
Speaker 2: and the pilot aired like six seven months later, and
Speaker 2: then there was still another six five months until the
Speaker 2: show really started airing, and so started you it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was like probably six weeks from when you got
Speaker 2: the call to you showing up at that premiere party
Speaker 2: and your face is plastered over everything and your life
Speaker 2: has changed overnight.
Speaker 1: So weird. It was so strange.
Speaker 4: And also that was such a weird, like season where
Speaker 4: it was the first season Lee.
Speaker 1: I was in New York, Dean Geyer.
Speaker 4: I had forgotten, like I'd totally forgotten that he came
Speaker 4: on as like the new hot guy.
Speaker 3: Do you remember meeting us for the first time?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I don't I remember meeting you. I
Speaker 1: think did we meet the hair and makeup trailer for
Speaker 1: the first time?
Speaker 4: Yeah? You were?
Speaker 1: You give me the should I did? I was just
Speaker 1: scared out of my mind. I do this.
Speaker 4: I have a bad Okay, so this is this is exactly.
Speaker 4: I don't remember it, but I do remember it, but
Speaker 4: I don't remember what I was thinking in the moment,
Speaker 4: but knowing myself, I know that I was so scared
Speaker 4: out of my mind, like terrified, and I know that
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 1: You guys were so famous.
Speaker 4: You were so famous at the time that I was like,
Speaker 4: if I'm too friendly, they're going to be like, get this.
Speaker 1: Fan girl off the set, you know. So I was like,
Speaker 1: you gotta be cool.
Speaker 4: You've got to be don't be an idiot, just be cool, okay,
Speaker 4: normal and be cool. So I'm just sitting there and
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be and so that's how it comes
Speaker 4: off like I'm.
Speaker 1: Just I've worked on my years.
Speaker 4: I bet that was like peak bitchy Becca, when really
Speaker 4: what's going on inside is that I'm trying to like
Speaker 4: stay cool.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, my own personal thing is like I don't
Speaker 3: reach out to people. It's hard for me to either
Speaker 3: like lend the arm, you know, like the olar Brench
Speaker 3: and so I'm like, I'm not go to say hi
Speaker 3: and like be nice and be like we have a
Speaker 3: mutual friend.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh that's cool. Oh my god, I'm such
Speaker 1: an asshole. Funny it didn't because I feel like we
Speaker 1: had it on quickly.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was so fast. After that it was
Speaker 4: like great, I remember Meghan. Meghan's first impression of me
Speaker 4: is like the funniest ever, because she's just such a
Speaker 4: funny person. But it's something like she goes, I was
Speaker 4: sitting at base camp and I heard the new kids
Speaker 4: were coming on set, and that's the time she was.
Speaker 4: She's like, you know, just sniffering around, seeing what's going on.
Speaker 1: She goes.
Speaker 4: And then I see this another blonde bitch in short shorts.
Speaker 1: Exactly right here she comes here, she goes.
Speaker 2: I remember one of the first times we hung out
Speaker 2: after Jenna like sent me the text me, we need
Speaker 2: to like make sure we're we take care of Becca
Speaker 2: because like she's BFS with Dante and I remember, you
Speaker 2: guys were hanging out in somebody's trailer, and that happened
Speaker 2: like quite a bit, like every day. It was like
Speaker 2: you guys were together in somebody's trailer, and so then
Speaker 2: I would come and like peek in. You guys just
Speaker 2: be like giggling and talking shit and and like we
Speaker 2: were like getting you up to speed on like the
Speaker 2: hot goss that was going around. Of course, very immediately
Speaker 2: it's like, oh she's good people, Like she gets it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: speaking the same language we were.
Speaker 4: And I remember, like in the very very beginning, before
Speaker 4: anybody really talked to us, me and Melissa would go
Speaker 4: and off and do stuff. We'd get coffees together, we'd
Speaker 4: have lunch together, and I just remember her and I
Speaker 4: like sitting in what's the place in Los Phelis.
Speaker 1: It's like the.
Speaker 4: Weird coffee shop that's kind of dark corners and caves intelligensia.
Speaker 1: No, well, I.
Speaker 2: Know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: It's probably not there anymore. But it was such a
Speaker 1: weird place.
Speaker 4: But I remember us sitting there like whispering to each other,
Speaker 4: being like because we were so afraid somebody would know whatever.
Speaker 4: We both had just moved to La from New York,
Speaker 4: and we would just be like, this is the weirdest
Speaker 4: experience of my life, Like.
Speaker 1: These people are so crazy, Like are we gonna make it?
Speaker 1: Are we going to be okay? It's so intense, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 4: Like we were just so.
Speaker 1: Scared, and it was just such a weird though.
Speaker 2: And you also got thrown to the deep end. It
Speaker 2: wasn't like you came in and had a line. No,
Speaker 2: like you both all the new people, especially in this
Speaker 2: first episode. I have a good amount of story.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, mine was probably the least of him. But because
Speaker 4: I didn't join my glee club the beginning of that season,
Speaker 4: my character didn't, and so I actually had a little
Speaker 4: more time to ease into it because I can't even
Speaker 4: imagine what Melissa had to think about in Jacob, because
Speaker 4: I didn't have to go in the recording studio or
Speaker 4: dance rehearsals in that first couple episodes because I wasn't
Speaker 4: in the glee club yet. But I remember going into
Speaker 4: the recording studio and I was like, how am I
Speaker 4: going to do this? I don't know how, Like I
Speaker 4: don't know how to sing in a recording studio. This
Speaker 4: is the weirdest, most intimidating thing ever. And I remember
Speaker 4: the producers Alex right, I remember just being like trying
Speaker 4: to pretend I knew what I was doing. And you know,
Speaker 4: I think now, like in hindsight, it's always that when
Speaker 4: people give advice and stuff, like if people come on
Speaker 4: the Lady Gang podcast and it's like boss Ladies or like,
Speaker 4: you know, people who have gotten to be really successful
Speaker 4: in business, they give the advice that if you don't
Speaker 4: know what you're doing, just ask for help or like
Speaker 4: ask for specific directions or information. But I'm like, you couldn't.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'd like to say that I could have
Speaker 4: done that in that moment, but I'm like, but you
Speaker 4: really couldn't. It was just die jump in the deep end,
Speaker 4: pretend you know what you're doing. Like I couldn't have
Speaker 4: looked at walking in the day of my first scene
Speaker 4: and been like, Hi, what's a mark?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: There wasn't really any time allotted to discovering anything.
Speaker 4: No, I would get like this the song sent to me,
Speaker 4: and they're like, you're going to be picked up at
Speaker 4: lunch in thirty minutes and you're going to go recording
Speaker 4: in the studio, And I just thought, well, I guess
Speaker 4: it's a now or never. It's just going to be
Speaker 4: doing terrifying.
Speaker 2: Which I think is also helpful in a way of word,
Speaker 2: because there was so little time. You didn't have time
Speaker 2: to think about it or think. You just had to
Speaker 2: do it, and like, I just have to trust that
Speaker 2: this machine is going to make it work with me, yes, somehow, because.
Speaker 1: It has and it always did.
Speaker 4: I had to go in since Glee, I had to
Speaker 4: do I did an episode of Zoe's extraordinary playlist and
Speaker 4: I had to sing in it, and I remember them
Speaker 4: being like, you've done this before, like you just this
Speaker 4: is a song you're singing and you're gonna go record
Speaker 4: on this day or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I was a nervous wreck.
Speaker 4: I was so bad in there, and the producer was like,
Speaker 4: didn't you do this for like years.
Speaker 1: I would have been the same way though.
Speaker 4: I practically overdosed on beta blockers because I was so nervous,
Speaker 4: and I just thought, what is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: I know, tell me hapout it.
Speaker 2: This is what it is, because when you come off
Speaker 2: of something whatever, it is like we're coming off a
Speaker 2: musical TV show. So when we walk into an audition
Speaker 2: or a job, people have an expectation for us because like,
Speaker 2: we did it seemingly at the highest level for a
Speaker 2: very long time, right, but we know how we feel
Speaker 2: about ourselves. Yeah, and we're like, wait, no, no, you need
Speaker 2: to adjust your expectations so low, because the difference is
Speaker 2: like we were idiots and allowed to fail in front
Speaker 2: of like our family. Yeah, like in front of Alex
Speaker 2: has heard me sound so bad, but I knew he
Speaker 2: would get me to the place I needed to get to,
Speaker 2: and like sweeten it up a little bit afterwards, and
Speaker 2: so that's what I have bombed every I performed with
Speaker 2: Jenna the other day on stage and forgot all the
Speaker 2: lyrics in front of an audience.
Speaker 1: There was very charming and you were in the front
Speaker 1: of the right audience to do it. People love when
Speaker 1: people fuck up.
Speaker 4: I love when people fuck up, but I get it.
Speaker 2: But like the expectation is like there, I was in
Speaker 2: a room full of like musical theater professionals, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I can't hang with this group, and so you psych
Speaker 2: yourself out of it. Happened my one of my first
Speaker 2: auditions after Glee, Like during Glee, I went into the
Speaker 2: audition and they looked at me with like this knowing look,
Speaker 2: like oh it was the first time I was treated
Speaker 2: differently in an audition room, and it freaked me the
Speaker 2: fuck out. Yep, because well, now you think I'm going
Speaker 2: to be good, Oh yeah, just because I know how
Speaker 2: to do this one thing and even at that mediocre
Speaker 2: it's true, and there's like a lot of help in editing.
Speaker 2: That's it's like the expectation of it.
Speaker 1: Is like it is, That's what it is. I call it.
Speaker 4: Whenever I have to do like an audition where I sing,
Speaker 4: which is so not often anymore. I'm always like it's
Speaker 4: kiddy wild unplugged. You know, it's like not what she
Speaker 4: should never she should never do, like her acoustics side,
Speaker 4: but like unfortunately sometimes it calls for that moment and
Speaker 4: is really so humbling.
Speaker 1: It is so humbling, Yeah, sure is.
Speaker 4: But you know it's also why I'm so non judgmental
Speaker 4: of anybody really in this business, because we it's so hard.
Speaker 4: You can't be a master of it all all the time.
Speaker 4: So you know, it's like Jenna and I have this,
Speaker 4: me more so than Jenna. I think Jenna has been
Speaker 4: like you've you're less rusty, like you kind of continued
Speaker 4: and then you did waitress, like you you worked those
Speaker 4: muscles more. But like right now, if someone were to
Speaker 4: call me and be like, hey, you're playing roxy Heart
Speaker 4: in Chicago, I'd be like, I don't know how to
Speaker 4: do that, Like I don't know how, and I wouldn't
Speaker 4: and I would suck and I would have to practice
Speaker 4: so hard. I'm not saying that was a bad example,
Speaker 4: but like to do theater in general, I used to
Speaker 4: be like pretty wonderful at it. I wasn't like a
Speaker 4: fucking Broadway star, but like I was. That was my
Speaker 4: muscle that I was working all the time. And then
Speaker 4: it's like, so it's just having to like become an
Speaker 4: expert and like a master at all these little niches
Speaker 4: in the business.
Speaker 1: It's so hard.
Speaker 4: So when you see people who can really do it
Speaker 4: all like with very like to make it seem so effortless,
Speaker 4: I'm like, what is that even like I have to
Speaker 4: try and.
Speaker 3: Work so hard. I have a couple of questions before
Speaker 3: we let you go about Glee. I want to know
Speaker 3: your favorite number that you did on the show.
Speaker 1: The one I loved wide away. You know, Kevin just
Speaker 1: watched That's good. It's so good and we didn't have
Speaker 1: to dance. It was.
Speaker 4: I just remember feeling so like moved by that version version,
Speaker 4: Like I just the arrangement. It was so pretty, and
Speaker 4: I was I think that was that season five or six.
Speaker 1: I wasn't six. I think it was five. It might
Speaker 1: even late four, but it was late. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just remember I feel really confident, finally feeling like
Speaker 4: I had found my footing. And then we did something
Speaker 4: where was it Diva? Were we were we in like
Speaker 4: crazy dress gowns. That was such a fun day just
Speaker 4: because we could be together and like prance around and
Speaker 4: I got out of my cheerio uniform for like the
Speaker 4: one time every five days or five episodes. They'd be
Speaker 4: like you four minutes, you're out of your your uniform.
Speaker 4: I really soak that ship in. Yeah, do you guys?
Speaker 4: Do you guys often think of the fact that uh
Speaker 4: Phineas was on Glee.
Speaker 1: Yes, we talk about it.
Speaker 4: I just heard him on an interview and I was like,
Speaker 4: I can't lace this. I can't in my mind, that's
Speaker 4: not the same person who did Glee.
Speaker 2: Like very strange.
Speaker 4: It's it's so strange. It's like he was like it
Speaker 4: was like it was such a right. It was so weird,
Speaker 4: alternate universe. It was like he was possessed for like
Speaker 4: a year and was on set and spoke to work.
Speaker 1: Truly, I think he spoke to you.
Speaker 2: It was like an accident, like you shouldn't be here.
Speaker 1: It was like a glitch in the matrix. And they
Speaker 1: were like, wait a second, he's not mediocre. He doesn't
Speaker 1: belong in this cast.
Speaker 2: He was like maybe I'll oh, no, this is not
Speaker 2: what I want to do.
Speaker 1: Not it not It the universe.
Speaker 4: Knew like at least someone's being protected, but it was
Speaker 4: really that was such a weird thing. We've had like
Speaker 4: weird people come in and out, and I just remember
Speaker 4: feeling like it was the Hunger Games and I just
Speaker 4: had to hold on for dear life.
Speaker 1: I couldn't screw up. I was like, just.
Speaker 4: Don't look at Ryan wrong, Just don't say the wrong thing.
Speaker 4: Just be like under the radar just enough. Don't be
Speaker 4: a crazy bitch, like just be Although that probably would
Speaker 4: have gotten me more stream time, I just I just
Speaker 4: was like so yeah, like I just every day that
Speaker 4: went by that I still had a job on that side,
Speaker 4: it was just the best best day ever.
Speaker 1: So you know, it was a it was a time.
Speaker 4: Occasionally I hear like myself in like a TJ Max
Speaker 4: over the speaker, and I think, I don't even know
Speaker 4: who that person is, But what a joy?
Speaker 1: What a joy with that? What is the feeling that
Speaker 1: glee leaves you with?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, honestly, like joy, like joy and laughter,
Speaker 4: Like it's so strange for all the darkness and all
Speaker 4: the weirdness that has followed, like it's just still if
Speaker 4: I go back and like today being forced to watch
Speaker 4: that episode, I was transported to a time that I was.
Speaker 4: That was the beginning of a chapter of my life
Speaker 4: that I had was filled with so much joy. For
Speaker 4: the most part. You know, there were some hiccups, if
Speaker 4: you will, but yeah, like it's just yeah joy. So
Speaker 4: I'm so cheesy and I'll go kick myself in the face.
Speaker 2: Do you think you've broken the seal now a little bit?
Speaker 2: Do you think you'll watch anymore?
Speaker 1: No? I don't think in the future, no, because I'll
Speaker 1: be like I doesn't like it. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it. No, probably not.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: He might when I'm old and wrinkly, but by that
Speaker 4: point I'm going to look even younger than I did.
Speaker 4: Exactly have surgeries. I'm gonna have and just yeah.
Speaker 2: Whenever you schedule one to do two for one and
Speaker 2: I'll show up.
Speaker 1: Oh I will, I will.
Speaker 4: I was actually watching it and I was like, God,
Speaker 4: that is like a different face. I don't even know
Speaker 4: that face anymore, exact same. You know, there is some
Speaker 4: alterations done, but you know, for the most part.
Speaker 1: You're collagen back then, just so much. Every episode of
Speaker 1: Like So Smooth, I wish I had. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: taking them for granted. It's okay.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I think you both look better now.
Speaker 1: I do very nice. I think we all do. I
Speaker 1: think that was like an awkward time. It was also
Speaker 1: before it was.
Speaker 4: A weird like in between phase of our faces. So
Speaker 4: a great, I'm happy with how gorgeous we are now,
Speaker 4: and now we're all going to go work on other
Speaker 4: TV shows and just show our gorgeous faces to America
Speaker 4: again and be like I'm relevant again.
Speaker 1: Bitches.
Speaker 2: The Leah had about after Spring Awakening, she and John
Speaker 2: would show up places and they would pretend to be
Speaker 2: on the poster Spring Awakening to like try to get
Speaker 2: free things like remember this and take we took our
Speaker 2: like Glee pictures with the l's over fores. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: And she'd always joke about like, well that's going to
Speaker 2: be us one day, being like remember that, we get
Speaker 2: that for free, and now we'll go into audition rooms
Speaker 2: and here we are.
Speaker 1: Here we are wheelchair if you want, I can leave
Speaker 1: it in the car.
Speaker 4: I still can't shake that reality that you spent seven
Speaker 4: or six years in a wheelchair.
Speaker 1: I just can't shake it. Weird times, weird time time.
Speaker 3: Becha thank you so much for spending an hour with
Speaker 3: us and talking about all the joy, the joy and
Speaker 3: the laughter, the joy and the laughter.
Speaker 4: All right, I love you guys so much. I love
Speaker 4: the gleek. I am the gleek of the week.
Speaker 1: And thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I love you, love you, thanks seriously for doing this.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Well there you have a kid's you heard it from
Speaker 3: her mouth.
Speaker 1: It was joyful.
Speaker 2: I just love that we could talk about anything with her.
Speaker 2: There's nothing off.
Speaker 3: It's true, and she's very honest and forthcoming about all
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: That's something I love about her. You don't really get
Speaker 1: like a sugarcoat with her.
Speaker 2: She's got one speed and it's real.
Speaker 1: That is very true.
Speaker 3: We love back up. We're so grateful. Thank you about
Speaker 3: her for coming on in all of your not free
Speaker 3: time to chat with us. Buckley and I hope you
Speaker 3: guys enjoyed the beginning of season.
Speaker 2: Four and go listen to the Lady Gang wherever you
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