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Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: Podcast Welcome to You, and that's what you really miss

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Speaker 3: podcast Whoa Whoa, Whoa Whoa Woe.

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Speaker 1: Kitty Wilde is in the house.

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Speaker 2: We have the podcast Queen Herself Beca Tobin.

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Speaker 1: Without Becca, we wouldn't be here right now.

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Speaker 2: No, Beca is the reason why we started podcasting in

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Speaker 2: the first place, the reason why we started podcasting about

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Speaker 2: Glee in the first place.

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Speaker 1: She's so here we are a.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant, talented human being.

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Speaker 1: Mogul.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, just a little mini mogul.

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Speaker 3: It's so funny to hear her talk about Glee though,

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Speaker 3: in the way that she does, because sometimes she's like

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Speaker 3: she's like, this is the most joyful thing I've everd on,

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Speaker 3: and it's so it's it's just surprising to me.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes she's a big old softy deep down in that.

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Speaker 1: She really is.

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Speaker 3: She's it's like that hard funge outside that you crack

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Speaker 2: She is just good people, and I think you have

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Speaker 2: it is so worth it, but once you're in forget it.

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Speaker 2: She is loyal to a fault. I mean, if you

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Speaker 2: haven't listened to her podcast with Kelsey and Jack called

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Speaker 2: The Lady Gang, go Do you live under a Rock? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's been like nine years and now literally

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Speaker 4: I just want to tell you it's wow having to

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Speaker 1: Which one? Did you watch? The new Rachel You were

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Speaker 1: so good though, I know I also love it because

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Speaker 2: I don't want to tell your story, but I have

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Speaker 2: since found out that like you didn't even know what

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Speaker 2: like how to like hit your mark, no, any of that.

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Speaker 4: Pushing that stroller was like the scariest thing of my

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It was a fucking namer. I'll talk

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Speaker 3: We okay, Well we learned that together. Like, I didn't

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Speaker 1: Did you know what that was?

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Speaker 1: You had done some stuff that was okay, I didn't

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Speaker 1: Jenna's right, episode so famous, already was a pizza boy.

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Speaker 2: Think you're gonna cause old hags, and you wouldn't you

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Speaker 3: To be clear, you are the oldest you are. You

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Speaker 4: He bitch every time she says it. Jenna's just a

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Speaker 1: Diana too. Diana. Isn't Diana your age? Jenna? Yes, April, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: I was in the middle of my two hundred hours

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Speaker 4: We watched it, but only because you were jealous.

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Speaker 2: But even like you had people who have been on

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Speaker 2: First TV audition ever ever, you bitch.

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Speaker 4: And I sang it, I kissed a girl, and then

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Speaker 4: I'm we're we like can't we couldn't buy in, And

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Speaker 2: I love that in a year, you went from I've

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Speaker 4: That was I remember walking out of that bathroom a

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Speaker 1: I was twenty six. That was like a grown woman.

447
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to be twenty six. Shut up, hey,

448
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: but you were also respectful because like you weren't like

449
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 2: why would you come onto the show with us old

450
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 2: hags and like talk about those things, Like people didn't

451
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 2: talk about money. And there's also not this you know

452
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 2: now you go on and make sure like the leading

453
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 2: female characters make the same amount of money as the

454
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 2: leading male characters. Like there was not this vocabulary or

455
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: openness about these things. And it took almost until the

456
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 2: end of season four when we were on and I

457
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: thought we were all we were all close, we all

458
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 2: bonded hard, but still that's like a weird work thing

459
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: that you don't really like breach, you don't.

460
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 4: It.

461
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 2: And there was one day I even remember like the

462
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 2: look in your eyes of like you brought up I

463
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 2: think maybe all the new kids were talking about it,

464
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 2: and we were also on stage and you know us,

465
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 2: we're nosy as hell, and the secrets and be like, hey,

466
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 2: so what you're talking about? And then you're like, all right, well,

467
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 2: if you want to know, we've averaged the amount of

468
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: money we're making, we've been working and it's just a

469
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: little better than minimum.

470
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 4: Just slightly, Like we all would have made more money

471
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 4: putting in those hours.

472
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: At Starbucks, right, Like it was. That was the craziest part.

473
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,479
Speaker 4: I'm so grateful that I wasn't resentful of that fact

474
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 4: at all, because I was just so grateful I was

475
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 4: still making way more than I was in theater, even

476
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 4: that I was working my ass off. But at that time,

477
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 4: I didn't care about working my ass off. I didn't

478
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 4: have anything to like go home to or do it

479
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 4: outside of this job, and like we were each other's

480
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 4: social lives. So I was like, I'm not complaining, but

481
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 4: this is fucking wild because I don't know how much

482
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 4: those assholes are making.

483
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're working the same amount of.

484
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 2: Hours, which I think was helpful because I think we

485
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 2: were Also we had become family and we're like, okay.

486
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: That's complete crazy.

487
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we've seen it happened with Cord where they

488
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: kept Cord on for two seasons as a guest star

489
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: and really.

490
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, this season was the first season that he

491
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: was a series regular.

492
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 4: Okay, I kind of do, I kind of do remember that, yeah,

493
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 4: but I didn't know he did two seasons of a

494
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 4: guest star that's rough.

495
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: I mean because there were so many of us. The

496
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: show was so a lot of times when you have

497
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: these shows, the thing that becomes most expensive if the

498
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: show is successful.

499
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: Is the cast. Yeah, soo many people, but we.

500
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: Were not the most. Ever, the most expensive part of

501
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: that show. That's great. The music, the sets, it was

502
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: just a gigantic yeah undertaking.

503
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 4: I think you know someone I wish I could remember

504
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 4: who from the crew, maybe Joey. I'm so mad at myself,

505
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 4: but I remember when we got our season where we

506
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 4: became series regulars, he kind of gave us this like

507
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 4: cautionary tale of having worked on other shows before with

508
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 4: people who got their big break and then eventually were broke.

509
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 4: And so he's like, yes, don't buy a flashy car,

510
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 4: just get some crazy like apartment with this high rent,

511
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 4: like all of these things. And I will never forget

512
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 4: that moment because I was like I was fifty percent

513
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 4: of me was like, not going to be me. I'm

514
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 4: just going to keep rolling in this monopoly money. And

515
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 4: then fifty percent of me was like, he probably is

516
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 4: something he's been around, he knows, you know, something I

517
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 4: don't know, And I just won't forget it because like, yes,

518
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 4: I mean it is. It's so wild to make that

519
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 4: much money so young, and then most of us kind

520
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 4: of stopped working for a long time, like long, like

521
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 4: longer than average.

522
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: That's a whole other conversation.

523
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's a whole other conversation. I agree with you.

524
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 3: Michael Melly was the one who told us early on.

525
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: He said, don't spend your money. Yeah, invest in real

526
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 3: estate and get out, Like that's it. He's like, just

527
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 3: be nice to people, get some real estate and like

528
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 3: save your money.

529
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is so true. I mean I listened sort of,

530
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 4: but like it's hard. It's so hard. And I remember,

531
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 4: did you guys have an experience with so we were

532
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 4: kind of what the year social media Instagram started was

533
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 4: the year I started the show.

534
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: It was still like a baby platform. It wasn't this

535
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: big thing.

536
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 4: I remember the show ended and it was probably within

537
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 4: the next six months anything I did on the internet

538
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 4: or social media, there was a slew of people telling

539
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 4: me I was no longer relevant. And this was like

540
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 4: six six months after the show ended, And I remember

541
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 4: those people put like a hex on me, and I

542
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 4: remember thinking, they're right, it's been six months, Like where

543
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: is my next hit show, like this crazy expectation, and

544
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's what's wild is that I now, if

545
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 4: it had been six months since then, like with everything

546
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 4: that I know, it wouldn't have even penetrated my psyche.

547
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: But it s fucked me up so.

548
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 4: Hard that I swear it was like a curse that

549
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: was put on me where I was like, you've gotten

550
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 4: your own way totally. I was like, they're right, I'm

551
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 4: so irrelevant. I'm so irrelevant. I haven't been on TV

552
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 4: in six months, and it's like, wow, they should have

553
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 4: really find me now, you know what I mean. This

554
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 4: is a level of irrelevance that I can't even quite describe.

555
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, they think they can attack us online

556
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: with those lines like guys, we've said way worse about

557
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: ourselves to ourselves, Like there's nothing you can possibly say

558
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: that will make us feel more relevant than we make

559
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: ourselves feel daily.

560
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

561
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's a gift. It's quite the gift. I

562
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 5: was talking to my friend today who she grew up

563
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 5: on a TV show and hasn't worked in a while,

564
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 5: and because she's like everyone associates me with being just

565
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 5: like nineteen year old daughter on this TV show and

566
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 5: I go, yeah, And for most of us, everyone associates

567
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 5: us so hard with these characters unless we're being hired

568
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 5: by people who have previously hired us. Yeah, mine is

569
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 5: like Harry or doing theater things. Yeah, no one's really

570
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 5: like outside of the Ryan Murphew world or outside like

571
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 5: no one has done that much. But there is a

572
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 5: weird thing where like think fuck like Heather is.

573
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 4: It was like almost better than not not quite as good,

574
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 4: but like almost as good as if it was me

575
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 4: doing it. And I can genuinely say that, yes I am.

576
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 4: I am a jealous bitch, but for some reason, when

577
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 4: it comes to us, I am like I will not

578
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 4: I will not die until I see all of us

579
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 4: back doing something that we love, you know what I mean.

580
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: It's like a weird It's like this weird thing. So

581
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 4: when Heather that was announced, and even like with Harry,

582
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 4: it's been a couple of years, but I remember the

583
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 4: beginning of Harry's like resurgence, I just thought saying, God,

584
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 4: you know, it was like this.

585
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: Weird stupid curse.

586
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 4: Like I'm saying, it's like yes, and it's so it's

587
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 4: so bizarre. I just had a meeting in La in

588
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 4: the last year and talking, you know, those general meetings

589
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: where you're with an executive who's running a studio, And

590
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 4: you know, I hadn't done that in ten years since,

591
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 4: or maybe a little bit less than that, like since

592
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: the show ended. I hadn't sat in front of an

593
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 4: executive to be like, hey, what's going on?

594
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Yeah.

595
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 4: And she was talking to me about some pilots that

596
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 4: are coming out, and she was like, oh, you know,

597
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: there is this pilot. But you know, I just think

598
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 4: it's like a you fall between the cracks of like age,

599
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 4: you know, it's like moms and then it's like twenties.

600
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 4: And I was like, hello him, I'm a mother. I'm

601
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: a I'm a fucking mother. I am thirty eight years old.

602
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 4: Can we can we accept and embrace this fact? But

603
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 4: it's so hard for people to see that we are

604
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 4: grown ups now, Like we all look too young.

605
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: We look we're in no man's land of ages, which

606
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: a nice thing to hear. It is for like personal

607
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: life great, like yes, I'm rotted on the inside.

608
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: Somebody said to you though, that because we remind them

609
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: of a long, long, long time ago, then we make

610
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: them feel old.

611
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 4: I think that about you two, Not that you make

612
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 4: people feel old, but I think you guys's faces are

613
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 4: synonymous with and your voices and all those things are

614
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: like with that you like with that show, you know.

615
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 4: I think the reason that some people, I mean, listen,

616
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 4: she's so talented, but like I think Melissa has worked

617
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 4: so much because she didn't really, like we weren't there

618
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 4: long enough for people to associate our faces and our

619
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 4: likeness with the show. So I think, like I have

620
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 4: no excuses what I'm saying.

621
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I.

622
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: Mean Alex has also crushed.

623
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: Crushed, crushed, So maybe it's not a pattern. It's just

624
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: me and Jacob, Me and Jacob, It's just us. It's

625
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: a hard thing. It's also because it.

626
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: Was such a juggernaut it was, and it was such

627
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: a big piece that it's hard to separate. Like you

628
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: look at other shows and you're like, oh, well, of course,

629
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: like that's blah blah blah from that show. They will

630
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: always follow you. But how do you break the mold

631
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: or have fun somebody who's willing to take a chance

632
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: on you to break that mold or approve them.

633
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: I also think it's like a uniquely American like TV thing. Yeah, yes,

634
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: we're like Alex wanted to do theater. Alex fucked off

635
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: to New York and like really like found the thing

636
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 2: that was going to like and I fought for that

637
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: and then also put out all these songs and was

638
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: just like doing everything and carved out an entire lane. Yeah,

639
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: where I think in the TV world in America they

640
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: just want to type cast all the time and need

641
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: everyone to like have a break from us. Yeah, And

642
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: so then you get into the you are so out

643
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: of sight and so out of mind and pie design.

644
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, putting you in this box and.

645
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: You're going to live in this box.

646
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 4: For for us, it's like you're going to play a

647
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 4: fun game how can you pay your mortgage until we

648
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 4: take you out of your box. But we're not going

649
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 4: to tell you when your box is being taken out.

650
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: So like I went off to London as soon as

651
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: the show was done because I was like, I need

652
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: a break. Because also, when you're in this thing, we're

653
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: getting offers every single year during the season to do things,

654
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: and we don't necessarily have time to do those things

655
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: or allow to do those things, but we were all

656
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: getting offers constantly, and so it feels like when you're

657
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: used to that, that's just how things are going to be.

658
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: And I went off to England for like a year,

659
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: was so happy to like have something else to do.

660
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: But when I came back, I was like, wait, I

661
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: think I fucked up. Yeah, I think I was gone

662
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: too long. No, not long enough.

663
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: No, I just I just think it's like this weird

664
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 4: like it's a blessing.

665
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: It's a blessing and a curse.

666
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 4: You know. There's people's careers that I look at and

667
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 4: I think it would have been really interesting to have

668
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 4: had baby steps in this business and start on like

669
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 4: indies and start on smaller shows or smart you know,

670
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 4: like that trajectory, and then by the time you get

671
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: your quote big break, I think it's easier.

672
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: It's you usually can sustain a little bit.

673
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 4: Like it's like the fifteen minutes of fame thing happens

674
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 4: so often with like those teen shows. Also, you know,

675
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 4: I think if the show had been some adult show,

676
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 4: it would be different. Also because it's such a weird

677
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 4: fan base. It's such a devoted fan base. But they're

678
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 4: very young, so they're not going to put you on

679
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 4: another show with that demographic, or maybe they will, but

680
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: they weren't casting any of us, and then they're not

681
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 4: going to put you on like an adult show because

682
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 4: they're like, well, none of the fans are going to

683
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 4: follow because it's too their children still are seen as children.

684
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: So it's just this weird. And also watching back, watching

685
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 4: the show for the first time in such a long time,

686
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 4: it is the tone of the show was so specific,

687
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 4: like they're really hasn't been since or before a show

688
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: in the same tone. And that is hard as an

689
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 4: actor too, because then you go into audition for things

690
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 4: and if you so much as sprinkle in that tone,

691
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: they're like, nope, it's so Glee.

692
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: It's so Glee.

693
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: Yes, and we and they did start to write, you know,

694
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: our characters more similar to who we are as people.

695
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: So when you do go into other auditions like well,

696
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: this is me. Everything's going to be infected by Artie

697
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: because that's just me. Yeah, it's something I guess that's already.

698
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, why do you think Artie did that?

699
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: Like I did that.

700
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: It's so weird.

701
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 4: It's so weird, and we're just complaining and I feel

702
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 4: bad complaining.

703
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: But it's also just been it's the real talk a

704
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: lot to.

705
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 4: Unpack, Like it's just been the last went to the

706
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 4: show end twenty fifteen.

707
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, nine years.

708
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, it's a lot to unpack, and there's been

709
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 3: a lot of time to like step away from it,

710
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: and then with the pandemic and everything, there's just a

711
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: lot of things that life happened.

712
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

713
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 3: When we talk on the show now and the way

714
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: that Ryan set like the tone for it, it's like

715
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: we're not complaining, we're just unloading.

716
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 2: I honestly think the three of us are all very

717
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: secure and like the job doesn't define us or it's

718
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: something that we love to do. We like we would

719
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: love to be acting constantly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But at

720
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: the same time, it's like we're pretty well balanced, normal

721
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: people in comparison to a lot of people in this business. Yeah,

722
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 2: it's like we're fine, But at the same time, it's

723
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: like these are the realities, and like we have a

724
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: lot of friends who are also in this position. And

725
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: I think at this age as well, like what you

726
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: were talking about with Becca, like I don't really get

727
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: jealous of other people because I like there's so much

728
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: room for everybody to have success. Yeah, I just want

729
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 2: somebody to have it, Like anytime anyone in our group

730
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: like I'm ecstatic, like, are you kidding me?

731
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: Go for it.

732
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 2: There was zero percent jealousy or envy. It's like, get

733
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 2: everyone out there. Everyone is so talented. And I think

734
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: the beauty of what Ryan and co. Can do is

735
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: see that in us, put us like maybe we wouldn't

736
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: have gotten hired on another.

737
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: Show, guaranteed that I will.

738
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so like same and so like it

739
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: was nice that he saw that, saw that, and like Robert,

740
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: they put us together somehow. Yeah, and maybe we're just

741
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: a little specific taste. Yeah, you know, totally.

742
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: So you did work on another TV show after that

743
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: with one of your Glee members, with one of our

744
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 3: Glee crew people's turn on who oh, oh my god,

745
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: just like this what did I do?

746
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 4: Honestly, it was during the pandemic like dead in like

747
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 4: dead Center twenty twenty.

748
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: Like I just at the t was such a weird

749
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 3: I can't even work during that time.

750
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: It was so weird.

751
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: When you are so overloaded with information at certain times

752
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: in your life like this, when you're filming a TV

753
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: show during a pandemic COVID and you're just trying to

754
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: like get through the memories are not.

755
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 1: Yeah that's hard.

756
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: No, they're not there because every day you're just trying

757
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: to survive.

758
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: It was just make it your day. It was such

759
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: a weird experience. What was the show like?

760
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: You know, the COVID aside, right, which I'm sure added

761
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 3: a fabulous flavor layer. What was it like after working

762
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 3: on the machine and then going to a different TV show?

763
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: You know, I was glad that between Glee and Turner

764
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 4: and Hooch, I had done like a couple guest stars

765
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 4: here and there, and then a couple homework movies in

766
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 4: the mix. Like, I was glad that I didn't get

767
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 4: super rusty and I'd like been on sets in the

768
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 4: last year or two, but I still felt well. To

769
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 4: be perfectly honest, I didn't realize how special Glee was

770
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 4: until working on another show. And not to say that

771
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: other show wasn't a wonderful experience. And I I loved everyone.

772
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 4: I mean, Josh Peck was the lead of that show,

773
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 4: and I still think that he is like one of

774
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 4: the greatest people that I've ever worked with as far

775
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 4: as like how present he is, how there he is

776
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 4: for other cast members, how like he's number one on

777
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 4: the call sheet. There's never a single complaint that ever

778
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 4: left the guy's mouth. He's always happy to see everybody,

779
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 4: like in a stressful time.

780
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: Like I still I do love it.

781
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 4: But you know, when I was watching Glee today and

782
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 4: when I had that experience, I have the exact same

783
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 4: feeling where I'm so I'm so sad that that experience

784
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 4: had an expiration date, like just specifically Glee. It's just there,

785
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 4: you know, it's like one of those once in a

786
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 4: lifetime And you know, I think when we were shooting

787
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 4: the show, no, I know, when we were shooting the show,

788
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 4: I thought, you have to soak every moment of this

789
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 4: in because I knew nothing about the business and how

790
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 4: it worked.

791
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about anything.

792
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 4: But I did know, like weirdly in my subconscious that

793
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: this experience would never be duplicated or anything would ever

794
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 4: come close. And so like now when I do shows,

795
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 4: it's just different.

796
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: It's fine. I'm so grateful.

797
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 4: I love working, I love acting, I love being creative,

798
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 4: but all that other stuff is missing, that other magic,

799
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 4: you know. So and again, it was the middle of pandemic.

800
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 4: We couldn't be that social, So who's to say that

801
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 4: it couldn't have been so similar experience, and we only

802
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 4: had one season, so I didn't have the time to

803
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 4: like really get to know each other.

804
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: But that's the thing. It's just so it's just crazy.

805
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 4: To watch that episode of Glee because I stayed away

806
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 4: from it for so long because it is sort of

807
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: this it makes me sad like it.

808
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: I remember at one point Leah.

809
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 4: Asked me if I had watched because she had gone

810
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 4: back and like started to watch some old episodes, and

811
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: I was like, I can't do it, Like I just

812
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I just couldn't do it, And

813
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 4: now I know exactly why, because it's just so bittersweet,

814
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 4: Like I it's grief.

815
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: It's full on grief.

816
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, in so many ways, in like a million fucking ways.

817
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 4: But I'm grateful for it, Like I would never change it.

818
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 4: It's an experience like that. I know for the rest

819
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 4: of my life, not much will compare in that space,

820
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 4: career space at least for sure. For sure it doesn't

821
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 4: happen like that on the set of Hallmark Movies.

822
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 2: If you can do it, I felt really crowd of

823
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: the show. The other day, another conversation with another friend

824
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: about how the theater I've never done theater. You both have,

825
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: but the bond you get from doing theater because you

826
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: all have to have some sort of cohesion relationship in

827
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: connection to like make the show happen every single night. Ye,

828
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: Like it's just you guys on that stage getting through it.

829
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 2: And he was saying from the TV he's done. He

830
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: doesn't ever get he's never gotten that feeling. And I

831
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: was like, who is this a friend of mine? He's

832
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: on two different TV shows right now, but he's not

833
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: a regular on either.

834
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: I think he's a record on both. Yeah, and the

835
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: feeling and they from theater on TV.

836
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 2: Yes, that's familial connection of all. And I was thinking

837
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: in my head, how I've had the complete opposite experience. Yeah,

838
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: And one of those reminders because the crew would tell

839
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: us too about like how unique and special our experience was,

840
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: but we just we had no compared to Yeah. And

841
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: it was another one like here I am nine years

842
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 2: later talking to a friend of mine and to silently

843
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: sitting there being like, Wow, that's like this guy works

844
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: all the time and you've never felt that, And like

845
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: I felt nothing but that, like there was no.

846
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,959
Speaker 1: Like there moved together. Basically you shared dressing rooms.

847
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: In every week to have there so many seasons together, yeah, exactly,

848
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: Like that is also such a gift. And also shows

849
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: nowadays are eight to twelve episodes, yeah for a season,

850
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: and we were doing twenty two every single year for

851
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: nine and a half months out of the year, and

852
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: so we had to bond. And I think we grew

853
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: up around stories of like salacious tabloid stories about leads

854
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: of shows not getting along and how horrible that is,

855
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: and hearing from the crew how horrible that is, and

856
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: we never any fracture, Like as the show went on,

857
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: when they're started to be maybe a little unraveling, Yeah,

858
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: we all just banded together to be like, let's straighten

859
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: this shit out.

860
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, because we're not true. There is like a true

861
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 4: mob mentality with Glee. Like it's the type of thing

862
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 4: where I'm like, I can talk shit about my family,

863
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 4: I can say whatever I want, but the moment that

864
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 4: you say a fucking word, if you weren't part of

865
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 4: that family, you shut your damn mouth.

866
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: Like you It's a weird.

867
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 4: Thing and a weird loyalty that I will forever have.

868
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 4: And it's like, if you weren't in those four walls

869
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 4: or sometimes three walls of that stage, Like, shut your

870
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 4: fucking mouth.

871
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: You don't know a thing.

872
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 4: And if you were there, and you weren't there for

873
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 4: long and you had a snippet of that experience, you

874
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 4: also don't know a thing.

875
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: So it's this sacred.

876
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 4: Place and it's been It's such a hard thing to maintain, too,

877
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: because everywhere you go, if people are like, oh, you're

878
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 4: on Glee, tell me how they just and I'm like,

879
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 4: it's then your business, it's none of your business, and

880
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 4: it's just a weird thing.

881
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, it's like that, you know. No.

882
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 2: I think that is the disconnection that is a huge,

883
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: I think public disconnection between if we and the perception

884
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 2: if we are being critical of certain experiences on the show,

885
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 2: that in no way a translates into that we did

886
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 2: not love the show, love being on the show, and

887
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 2: love everyone on the show. Yeah, and like you said,

888
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 2: I can talk shit about my family, but you can't. Yeah,

889
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: so you can try, but like you're you're not talking

890
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: about the same thing, right, you have no idea. No,

891
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: you weren't there, and that's fine, but you need to

892
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: recognize that you weren't there. You weren't there, and like

893
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 2: just because I'm being if I'm talking critical about like Jenna,

894
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: wasn't saying this one day. But don't you dare.

895
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: Fucking say a bad thing about Jenna because I wouldn't

896
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: cut your head off.

897
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: So true.

898
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's really, it's so it's something that like

899
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 4: I don't think we'll ever like I said, it's not

900
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 4: gonna be duplicated, but I'm just glad it is what

901
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 4: it is.

902
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: Kevin and I realized that we don't remember anything from

903
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: the show. We have zero memory from the show. But

904
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: I'm curious if there's like moments or parts of the

905
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 3: show or days on set that like stick out in

906
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 3: your mind.

907
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 4: I had such vivid memories of that time. It's so

908
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: weird because.

909
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: It was like how we think about the first season.

910
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: We remember everything. Yes, this was your first season, this is.

911
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: My first I remember so many things.

912
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 4: It was like, I yeah, like anything in particular, I

913
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 4: mean aside from this first scene with Jane where it's

914
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 4: just like, I mean, I blacked out, But I also

915
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 4: remember every detail kind of thing.

916
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: Where it's just panic.

917
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that season in particular, we were spending so much

918
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 4: time together like socially on and off screen, that there

919
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 4: were often those five am call times and we were

920
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 4: like walking in our doors at two am the night

921
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 4: before because we'd been out like partying together. Yes, that's

922
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 4: so many hungover mornings, so many.

923
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 3: I mean, I I think it was our group of

924
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: friends that there was a point where I was like,

925
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 3: I can't drink before we go to work anymore because

926
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: I feel awful, Like I feel really bad and I

927
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 3: just like don't look good and I'm not my best

928
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: I like had to cut it off and was like

929
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: I can't.

930
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 4: I remember, we like would leave for lunch, and even

931
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 4: though we had like from from door to door, it

932
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 4: was a true hour, there's no wiggle room, but we

933
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 4: just refused to stay on the lot to eat lunch together.

934
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 4: We would go to Larchmont and just shovel sushi in

935
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 4: our mouths or like it was just and we would

936
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 4: all go together, like it was just such a thing.

937
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 4: We all went together, and some days I would decide

938
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 4: to leave my cheerleading skirt on and put sweats underneath,

939
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 4: and then we're walking around Larchmont and people are like,

940
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: oh my god, it's the fucking gleek ass, Like do

941
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 4: you remember how funny that used to be. We would

942
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 4: just be walking now around in the world with my

943
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 4: ugly fucking ponytail and you couldn't take the pony out.

944
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 4: That pony was glued to my head and like, oh,

945
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 4: I had my one of my like many uniforms because

946
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 4: it was, like, you know, the only thing I ever

947
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 4: wore on the show for three years, and I at

948
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 4: the end of the show, I took one and I

949
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 4: put it in a shadow box for my dad, and

950
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 4: next to it is my press shot from like that

951
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 4: first season of me in my cheerios outfit in my

952
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 4: slick back ponytail. It's at my parents' house and my son,

953
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 4: who's two, was playing in the room that it's in

954
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 4: and he suddenly like looked up at it, that at it,

955
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 4: and he was like.

956
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god, mama. I was like, yeah, it's mama,

957
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: and then he goes, I don't like it. I don't

958
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: like it.

959
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.

960
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: He hates it. He hates it. Every day we'd go

961
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it.

962
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 4: I was like, whoa, I don't like it. I didn't

963
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 4: be more honest. I just remember screening the episodes during

964
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 4: those days at lunch. I remember it was the first

965
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 4: time anybody had ever commented on the way that I looked.

966
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 4: I remember somebody saying that I looked like a housewife

967
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 4: in a Halloween costume.

968
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: I remember.

969
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 4: I remember that was my first taste of being criticized

970
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 4: and seeing it like it was just so other than

971
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 4: like one weirdo who saw Rock of Ages on Broadway

972
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 4: and was upset that I didn't climb up the stripper

973
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 4: pole as high as the girl who did the part.

974
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: Originally.

975
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 4: That was like the only level of like weird bullying

976
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 4: I'd ever experienced.

977
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: Sorry, I just expe of you.

978
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 4: He just expected more, so did you? And apparently you

979
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 4: didn't like the way I looked in that costume. But wow, Yeah,

980
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 4: I just remember sorting out all of those like weird

981
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: experiences and having our premiere party, and I remember walking

982
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 4: into like our season four premiere party on the lot

983
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 4: and looking around my face was like they'd made cloths

984
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 4: with our faces on them, statues framed everything. Like I

985
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 4: just it was such a weird experience, like to walk

986
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,479
Speaker 4: on a red carpet and to talk about the show,

987
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 4: and then to walk into this party where your face

988
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 4: is plastered everywhere and everyone there knows who you are,

989
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 4: and it's just like, yeah, so bizarre.

990
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: That's bokers because like when we first started, there was

991
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 2: obviously a huge lag, like we shot, we shot the pilot,

992
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: and the pilot aired like six seven months later, and

993
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: then there was still another six five months until the

994
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: show really started airing, and so started you it. Yeah,

995
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: it was like probably six weeks from when you got

996
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 2: the call to you showing up at that premiere party

997
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: and your face is plastered over everything and your life

998
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 2: has changed overnight.

999
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: So weird. It was so strange.

1000
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 4: And also that was such a weird, like season where

1001
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 4: it was the first season Lee.

1002
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: I was in New York, Dean Geyer.

1003
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 4: I had forgotten, like I'd totally forgotten that he came

1004
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 4: on as like the new hot guy.

1005
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: Do you remember meeting us for the first time?

1006
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I don't I remember meeting you. I

1007
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: think did we meet the hair and makeup trailer for

1008
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: the first time?

1009
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 4: Yeah? You were?

1010
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: You give me the should I did? I was just

1011
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: scared out of my mind. I do this.

1012
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 4: I have a bad Okay, so this is this is exactly.

1013
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 4: I don't remember it, but I do remember it, but

1014
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 4: I don't remember what I was thinking in the moment,

1015
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 4: but knowing myself, I know that I was so scared

1016
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 4: out of my mind, like terrified, and I know that

1017
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 4: I didn't.

1018
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: You guys were so famous.

1019
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 4: You were so famous at the time that I was like,

1020
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 4: if I'm too friendly, they're going to be like, get this.

1021
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: Fan girl off the set, you know. So I was like,

1022
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: you gotta be cool.

1023
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 4: You've got to be don't be an idiot, just be cool, okay,

1024
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 4: normal and be cool. So I'm just sitting there and

1025
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be and so that's how it comes

1026
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 4: off like I'm.

1027
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: Just I've worked on my years.

1028
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 4: I bet that was like peak bitchy Becca, when really

1029
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 4: what's going on inside is that I'm trying to like

1030
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 4: stay cool.

1031
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 3: Yes, well, my own personal thing is like I don't

1032
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 3: reach out to people. It's hard for me to either

1033
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 3: like lend the arm, you know, like the olar Brench

1034
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 3: and so I'm like, I'm not go to say hi

1035
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 3: and like be nice and be like we have a

1036
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 3: mutual friend.

1037
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: She's like, oh that's cool. Oh my god, I'm such

1038
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: an asshole. Funny it didn't because I feel like we

1039
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: had it on quickly.

1040
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was so fast. After that it was

1041
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 4: like great, I remember Meghan. Meghan's first impression of me

1042
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 4: is like the funniest ever, because she's just such a

1043
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 4: funny person. But it's something like she goes, I was

1044
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 4: sitting at base camp and I heard the new kids

1045
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 4: were coming on set, and that's the time she was.

1046
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 4: She's like, you know, just sniffering around, seeing what's going on.

1047
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 1: She goes.

1048
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 4: And then I see this another blonde bitch in short shorts.

1049
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: Exactly right here she comes here, she goes.

1050
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 2: I remember one of the first times we hung out

1051
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: after Jenna like sent me the text me, we need

1052
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: to like make sure we're we take care of Becca

1053
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 2: because like she's BFS with Dante and I remember, you

1054
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 2: guys were hanging out in somebody's trailer, and that happened

1055
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 2: like quite a bit, like every day. It was like

1056
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: you guys were together in somebody's trailer, and so then

1057
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 2: I would come and like peek in. You guys just

1058
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: be like giggling and talking shit and and like we

1059
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 2: were like getting you up to speed on like the

1060
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: hot goss that was going around. Of course, very immediately

1061
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 2: it's like, oh she's good people, Like she gets it. Yeah,

1062
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 2: speaking the same language we were.

1063
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 4: And I remember, like in the very very beginning, before

1064
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 4: anybody really talked to us, me and Melissa would go

1065
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 4: and off and do stuff. We'd get coffees together, we'd

1066
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 4: have lunch together, and I just remember her and I

1067
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 4: like sitting in what's the place in Los Phelis.

1068
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: It's like the.

1069
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 4: Weird coffee shop that's kind of dark corners and caves intelligensia.

1070
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: No, well, I.

1071
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: Know what you're talking about.

1072
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: It's probably not there anymore. But it was such a

1073
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: weird place.

1074
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 4: But I remember us sitting there like whispering to each other,

1075
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 4: being like because we were so afraid somebody would know whatever.

1076
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 4: We both had just moved to La from New York,

1077
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 4: and we would just be like, this is the weirdest

1078
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 4: experience of my life, Like.

1079
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: These people are so crazy, Like are we gonna make it?

1080
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: Are we going to be okay? It's so intense, I

1081
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 1: don't know.

1082
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 4: Like we were just so.

1083
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: Scared, and it was just such a weird though.

1084
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: And you also got thrown to the deep end. It

1085
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 2: wasn't like you came in and had a line. No,

1086
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 2: like you both all the new people, especially in this

1087
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 2: first episode. I have a good amount of story.

1088
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah it was.

1089
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, mine was probably the least of him. But because

1090
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 4: I didn't join my glee club the beginning of that season,

1091
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 4: my character didn't, and so I actually had a little

1092
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 4: more time to ease into it because I can't even

1093
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 4: imagine what Melissa had to think about in Jacob, because

1094
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 4: I didn't have to go in the recording studio or

1095
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 4: dance rehearsals in that first couple episodes because I wasn't

1096
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 4: in the glee club yet. But I remember going into

1097
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 4: the recording studio and I was like, how am I

1098
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 4: going to do this? I don't know how, Like I

1099
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 4: don't know how to sing in a recording studio. This

1100
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 4: is the weirdest, most intimidating thing ever. And I remember

1101
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 4: the producers Alex right, I remember just being like trying

1102
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 4: to pretend I knew what I was doing. And you know,

1103
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 4: I think now, like in hindsight, it's always that when

1104
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 4: people give advice and stuff, like if people come on

1105
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 4: the Lady Gang podcast and it's like boss Ladies or like,

1106
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 4: you know, people who have gotten to be really successful

1107
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 4: in business, they give the advice that if you don't

1108
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 4: know what you're doing, just ask for help or like

1109
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 4: ask for specific directions or information. But I'm like, you couldn't.

1110
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I'd like to say that I could have

1111
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 4: done that in that moment, but I'm like, but you

1112
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 4: really couldn't. It was just die jump in the deep end,

1113
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 4: pretend you know what you're doing. Like I couldn't have

1114
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 4: looked at walking in the day of my first scene

1115
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 4: and been like, Hi, what's a mark?

1116
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1117
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 4: Right.

1118
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: There wasn't really any time allotted to discovering anything.

1119
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 4: No, I would get like this the song sent to me,

1120
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 4: and they're like, you're going to be picked up at

1121
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 4: lunch in thirty minutes and you're going to go recording

1122
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 4: in the studio, And I just thought, well, I guess

1123
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 4: it's a now or never. It's just going to be

1124
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 4: doing terrifying.

1125
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 2: Which I think is also helpful in a way of word,

1126
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 2: because there was so little time. You didn't have time

1127
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 2: to think about it or think. You just had to

1128
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: do it, and like, I just have to trust that

1129
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 2: this machine is going to make it work with me, yes, somehow, because.

1130
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: It has and it always did.

1131
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 4: I had to go in since Glee, I had to

1132
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 4: do I did an episode of Zoe's extraordinary playlist and

1133
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 4: I had to sing in it, and I remember them

1134
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 4: being like, you've done this before, like you just this

1135
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 4: is a song you're singing and you're gonna go record

1136
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 4: on this day or whatever.

1137
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: And I was a nervous wreck.

1138
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 4: I was so bad in there, and the producer was like,

1139
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 4: didn't you do this for like years.

1140
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: I would have been the same way though.

1141
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 4: I practically overdosed on beta blockers because I was so nervous,

1142
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 4: and I just thought, what is wrong with you?

1143
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: I know, tell me hapout it.

1144
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 2: This is what it is, because when you come off

1145
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: of something whatever, it is like we're coming off a

1146
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: musical TV show. So when we walk into an audition

1147
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: or a job, people have an expectation for us because like,

1148
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 2: we did it seemingly at the highest level for a

1149
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: very long time, right, but we know how we feel

1150
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 2: about ourselves. Yeah, and we're like, wait, no, no, you need

1151
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: to adjust your expectations so low, because the difference is

1152
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 2: like we were idiots and allowed to fail in front

1153
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 2: of like our family. Yeah, like in front of Alex

1154
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: has heard me sound so bad, but I knew he

1155
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: would get me to the place I needed to get to,

1156
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: and like sweeten it up a little bit afterwards, and

1157
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: so that's what I have bombed every I performed with

1158
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 2: Jenna the other day on stage and forgot all the

1159
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 2: lyrics in front of an audience.

1160
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: There was very charming and you were in the front

1161
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: of the right audience to do it. People love when

1162
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: people fuck up.

1163
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 4: I love when people fuck up, but I get it.

1164
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 2: But like the expectation is like there, I was in

1165
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: a room full of like musical theater professionals, and I'm like,

1166
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: I can't hang with this group, and so you psych

1167
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: yourself out of it. Happened my one of my first

1168
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 2: auditions after Glee, Like during Glee, I went into the

1169
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: audition and they looked at me with like this knowing look,

1170
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: like oh it was the first time I was treated

1171
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: differently in an audition room, and it freaked me the

1172
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 2: fuck out. Yep, because well, now you think I'm going

1173
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: to be good, Oh yeah, just because I know how

1174
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: to do this one thing and even at that mediocre

1175
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 2: it's true, and there's like a lot of help in editing.

1176
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 2: That's it's like the expectation of it.

1177
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: Is like it is, That's what it is. I call it.

1178
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 4: Whenever I have to do like an audition where I sing,

1179
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 4: which is so not often anymore. I'm always like it's

1180
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 4: kiddy wild unplugged. You know, it's like not what she

1181
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 4: should never she should never do, like her acoustics side,

1182
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 4: but like unfortunately sometimes it calls for that moment and

1183
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 4: is really so humbling.

1184
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: It is so humbling, Yeah, sure is.

1185
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 4: But you know it's also why I'm so non judgmental

1186
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 4: of anybody really in this business, because we it's so hard.

1187
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 4: You can't be a master of it all all the time.

1188
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 4: So you know, it's like Jenna and I have this,

1189
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 4: me more so than Jenna. I think Jenna has been

1190
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 4: like you've you're less rusty, like you kind of continued

1191
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 4: and then you did waitress, like you you worked those

1192
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 4: muscles more. But like right now, if someone were to

1193
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 4: call me and be like, hey, you're playing roxy Heart

1194
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 4: in Chicago, I'd be like, I don't know how to

1195
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 4: do that, Like I don't know how, and I wouldn't

1196
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 4: and I would suck and I would have to practice

1197
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 4: so hard. I'm not saying that was a bad example,

1198
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 4: but like to do theater in general, I used to

1199
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 4: be like pretty wonderful at it. I wasn't like a

1200
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 4: fucking Broadway star, but like I was. That was my

1201
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 4: muscle that I was working all the time. And then

1202
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 4: it's like, so it's just having to like become an

1203
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 4: expert and like a master at all these little niches

1204
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 4: in the business.

1205
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: It's so hard.

1206
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 4: So when you see people who can really do it

1207
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 4: all like with very like to make it seem so effortless,

1208
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, what is that even like I have to

1209
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 4: try and.

1210
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 3: Work so hard. I have a couple of questions before

1211
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 3: we let you go about Glee. I want to know

1212
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 3: your favorite number that you did on the show.

1213
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: The one I loved wide away. You know, Kevin just

1214
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: watched That's good. It's so good and we didn't have

1215
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: to dance. It was.

1216
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 4: I just remember feeling so like moved by that version version,

1217
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 4: Like I just the arrangement. It was so pretty, and

1218
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 4: I was I think that was that season five or six.

1219
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't six. I think it was five. It might

1220
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: even late four, but it was late. Yeah.

1221
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 4: I just remember I feel really confident, finally feeling like

1222
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 4: I had found my footing. And then we did something

1223
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 4: where was it Diva? Were we were we in like

1224
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 4: crazy dress gowns. That was such a fun day just

1225
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 4: because we could be together and like prance around and

1226
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 4: I got out of my cheerio uniform for like the

1227
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 4: one time every five days or five episodes. They'd be

1228
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 4: like you four minutes, you're out of your your uniform.

1229
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 4: I really soak that ship in. Yeah, do you guys?

1230
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 4: Do you guys often think of the fact that uh

1231
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 4: Phineas was on Glee.

1232
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: Yes, we talk about it.

1233
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 4: I just heard him on an interview and I was like,

1234
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 4: I can't lace this. I can't in my mind, that's

1235
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 4: not the same person who did Glee.

1236
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 2: Like very strange.

1237
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 4: It's it's so strange. It's like he was like it

1238
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 4: was like it was such a right. It was so weird,

1239
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 4: alternate universe. It was like he was possessed for like

1240
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 4: a year and was on set and spoke to work.

1241
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 1: Truly, I think he spoke to you.

1242
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: It was like an accident, like you shouldn't be here.

1243
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: It was like a glitch in the matrix. And they

1244
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: were like, wait a second, he's not mediocre. He doesn't

1245
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: belong in this cast.

1246
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 2: He was like maybe I'll oh, no, this is not

1247
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 2: what I want to do.

1248
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: Not it not It the universe.

1249
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 4: Knew like at least someone's being protected, but it was

1250
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 4: really that was such a weird thing. We've had like

1251
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 4: weird people come in and out, and I just remember

1252
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 4: feeling like it was the Hunger Games and I just

1253
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 4: had to hold on for dear life.

1254
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't screw up. I was like, just.

1255
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 4: Don't look at Ryan wrong, Just don't say the wrong thing.

1256
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 4: Just be like under the radar just enough. Don't be

1257
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 4: a crazy bitch, like just be Although that probably would

1258
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 4: have gotten me more stream time, I just I just

1259
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 4: was like so yeah, like I just every day that

1260
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,479
Speaker 4: went by that I still had a job on that side,

1261
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 4: it was just the best best day ever.

1262
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 1: So you know, it was a it was a time.

1263
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 4: Occasionally I hear like myself in like a TJ Max

1264
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 4: over the speaker, and I think, I don't even know

1265
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 4: who that person is, But what a joy?

1266
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: What a joy with that? What is the feeling that

1267
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: glee leaves you with?

1268
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, honestly, like joy, like joy and laughter,

1269
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,919
Speaker 4: Like it's so strange for all the darkness and all

1270
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 4: the weirdness that has followed, like it's just still if

1271
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 4: I go back and like today being forced to watch

1272
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 4: that episode, I was transported to a time that I was.

1273
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 4: That was the beginning of a chapter of my life

1274
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 4: that I had was filled with so much joy. For

1275
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 4: the most part. You know, there were some hiccups, if

1276
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 4: you will, but yeah, like it's just yeah joy. So

1277
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 4: I'm so cheesy and I'll go kick myself in the face.

1278
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: Do you think you've broken the seal now a little bit?

1279
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 2: Do you think you'll watch anymore?

1280
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: No? I don't think in the future, no, because I'll

1281
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: be like I doesn't like it. I don't like it.

1282
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it. No, probably not.

1283
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1284
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 4: He might when I'm old and wrinkly, but by that

1285
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 4: point I'm going to look even younger than I did.

1286
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 4: Exactly have surgeries. I'm gonna have and just yeah.

1287
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 2: Whenever you schedule one to do two for one and

1288
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: I'll show up.

1289
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: Oh I will, I will.

1290
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 4: I was actually watching it and I was like, God,

1291
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 4: that is like a different face. I don't even know

1292
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 4: that face anymore, exact same. You know, there is some

1293
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 4: alterations done, but you know, for the most part.

1294
01:06:56,080 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: You're collagen back then, just so much. Every episode of

1295
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: Like So Smooth, I wish I had. Yeah, I was

1296
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: taking them for granted. It's okay.

1297
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 2: Sorry, I think you both look better now.

1298
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: I do very nice. I think we all do. I

1299
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: think that was like an awkward time. It was also

1300
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: before it was.

1301
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 4: A weird like in between phase of our faces. So

1302
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 4: a great, I'm happy with how gorgeous we are now,

1303
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 4: and now we're all going to go work on other

1304
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 4: TV shows and just show our gorgeous faces to America

1305
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:32,479
Speaker 4: again and be like I'm relevant again.

1306
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: Bitches.

1307
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 2: The Leah had about after Spring Awakening, she and John

1308
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 2: would show up places and they would pretend to be

1309
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 2: on the poster Spring Awakening to like try to get

1310
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 2: free things like remember this and take we took our

1311
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: like Glee pictures with the l's over fores. Yes, yes,

1312
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 2: And she'd always joke about like, well that's going to

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Speaker 2: be us one day, being like remember that, we get

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Speaker 2: that for free, and now we'll go into audition rooms

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Speaker 2: and here we are.

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Speaker 1: Here we are wheelchair if you want, I can leave

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Speaker 1: it in the car.

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Speaker 4: I still can't shake that reality that you spent seven

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Speaker 4: or six years in a wheelchair.

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Speaker 1: I just can't shake it. Weird times, weird time time.

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Speaker 3: Becha thank you so much for spending an hour with

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Speaker 3: us and talking about all the joy, the joy and

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Speaker 3: the laughter, the joy and the laughter.

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Speaker 4: All right, I love you guys so much. I love

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Speaker 4: the gleek. I am the gleek of the week.

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Speaker 1: And thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: I love you, love you, thanks seriously for doing this.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Well there you have a kid's you heard it from

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Speaker 3: her mouth.

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Speaker 1: It was joyful.

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Speaker 2: I just love that we could talk about anything with her.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing off.

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Speaker 3: It's true, and she's very honest and forthcoming about all

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Speaker 3: of it.

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Speaker 1: That's something I love about her. You don't really get

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Speaker 1: like a sugarcoat with her.

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Speaker 2: She's got one speed and it's real.

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Speaker 1: That is very true.

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Speaker 3: We love back up. We're so grateful. Thank you about

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Speaker 3: her for coming on in all of your not free

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Speaker 3: time to chat with us. Buckley and I hope you

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Speaker 3: guys enjoyed the beginning of season.

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Speaker 2: Four and go listen to the Lady Gang wherever you

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01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 2: listen to your podcasts, and that's what you really missed.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, and follow us on Instagram at and

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01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 2: that's what you really miss pod. Make sure to write

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Speaker 2: us a review and leave us five stars. See you

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Speaker 2: next time