1 00:00:15,082 --> 00:00:16,881 Speaker 1: John and I are on break now who are on 2 00:00:16,962 --> 00:00:20,482 Speaker 1: a secret mission, and this before all new Mission Implausible 3 00:00:20,521 --> 00:00:23,482 Speaker 1: episodes come out this fall. But for now we'll bring 4 00:00:23,521 --> 00:00:26,721 Speaker 1: you one of our favorite past episodes and we'll soon 5 00:00:26,802 --> 00:00:29,162 Speaker 1: be launching our YouTube channel. See you there. 6 00:00:31,202 --> 00:00:34,321 Speaker 2: I'm John Cipher and I'm Jerry O'Shea. I was a 7 00:00:34,322 --> 00:00:37,682 Speaker 2: CIA officer stationed around the world in high threat posts 8 00:00:37,682 --> 00:00:39,402 Speaker 2: in Europe, Russia, and in Asia. 9 00:00:39,442 --> 00:00:42,522 Speaker 1: And I served in Africa, Asia, Europe, the Middle East 10 00:00:42,602 --> 00:00:46,682 Speaker 1: and in war zones. We sometimes created conspiracies to deceive 11 00:00:46,722 --> 00:00:47,681 Speaker 1: our adversaries. 12 00:00:47,922 --> 00:00:51,602 Speaker 2: Now we're going to use our expertise to deconstruct conspiracy 13 00:00:51,641 --> 00:00:54,562 Speaker 2: theories large and small. Could they be true? 14 00:00:54,842 --> 00:00:56,122 Speaker 1: Or are we being manipulated? 15 00:00:56,642 --> 00:00:58,722 Speaker 2: This is Mission Implausible. 16 00:01:01,922 --> 00:01:04,682 Speaker 3: I'm really pleased to have and more than a little 17 00:01:04,722 --> 00:01:08,162 Speaker 3: curious to talk with our guests today. Gareth Gore Gareth 18 00:01:08,282 --> 00:01:12,922 Speaker 3: is a financial journalist with close to two decades of experience. 19 00:01:13,282 --> 00:01:16,401 Speaker 3: He's reported from over twenty five countries and has covered 20 00:01:16,482 --> 00:01:17,962 Speaker 3: some of the world's. 21 00:01:17,442 --> 00:01:19,122 Speaker 1: Biggest financial stories. 22 00:01:19,241 --> 00:01:23,922 Speaker 4: But incongruously, perhaps he's come out with this great book Opus, 23 00:01:24,122 --> 00:01:27,762 Speaker 4: The Cult of Dark Money, human trafficking, and right wing 24 00:01:27,922 --> 00:01:30,962 Speaker 4: conspiracy Inside the Catholic Church. 25 00:01:31,521 --> 00:01:34,922 Speaker 1: So today we're going to begin an episode talking maybe 26 00:01:35,042 --> 00:01:38,762 Speaker 1: about a mixture of conspiracy and conspiracy theories involving one 27 00:01:38,762 --> 00:01:43,161 Speaker 1: of the oldest and most mysterious organizations in history, the 28 00:01:43,202 --> 00:01:47,041 Speaker 1: Catholic Church, but not the Catholic Church like the one 29 00:01:47,042 --> 00:01:49,442 Speaker 1: I was an ultra boy at Saint Leo's, but one 30 00:01:49,442 --> 00:01:54,401 Speaker 1: of its most secretive, lay fanatical fringe factions, Opus Day. 31 00:01:54,802 --> 00:01:57,242 Speaker 1: So Gareth, welcome, and maybe let's start out with you 32 00:01:57,322 --> 00:01:59,522 Speaker 1: briefly telling us about Opus Day and see if you 33 00:01:59,522 --> 00:02:02,002 Speaker 1: can do it without mentioning the Dan Brown book or 34 00:02:02,002 --> 00:02:04,362 Speaker 1: the Tom Hanks movie Da Vinci Code, and then how 35 00:02:04,402 --> 00:02:06,002 Speaker 1: you ended up going down this rabbit hole. 36 00:02:06,122 --> 00:02:07,722 Speaker 5: Hey, guys, must little thank you for having me on. 37 00:02:07,802 --> 00:02:09,322 Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to be here. 38 00:02:09,362 --> 00:02:11,802 Speaker 5: Great. Yes, Opus, I think many of your listeners will 39 00:02:11,802 --> 00:02:14,402 Speaker 5: be surprised to hear that it isn't some kind of 40 00:02:14,602 --> 00:02:18,562 Speaker 5: medi organization. This group is less than one hundred years old. 41 00:02:18,642 --> 00:02:21,522 Speaker 5: It was actually founded in nineteen twenty eight by a 42 00:02:21,602 --> 00:02:25,882 Speaker 5: Spanish priest by the name of Jasimeria Escliva who he 43 00:02:25,962 --> 00:02:28,362 Speaker 5: was a bit of a lost priest. I think for 44 00:02:28,362 --> 00:02:32,242 Speaker 5: a number of years he considered just ditching the priesthood entirely. 45 00:02:32,802 --> 00:02:34,962 Speaker 5: He was torn. He wanted to make money, he wanted 46 00:02:34,962 --> 00:02:38,001 Speaker 5: to be a success, but he'd fallen into the priesthood 47 00:02:38,042 --> 00:02:40,681 Speaker 5: partly by accident. He applied for a bunch of jobs. 48 00:02:40,681 --> 00:02:42,681 Speaker 5: He tried to become a civil servant who work for 49 00:02:42,722 --> 00:02:45,041 Speaker 5: the government at one stage, but didn't get the job. 50 00:02:45,242 --> 00:02:46,722 Speaker 5: So he was a bit of a lost soul. But 51 00:02:46,762 --> 00:02:50,962 Speaker 5: then one day, whilst on retreat in Madrid in October 52 00:02:51,042 --> 00:02:54,482 Speaker 5: nineteen twenty eight, he had this vision. So he told 53 00:02:54,482 --> 00:02:58,401 Speaker 5: everyone afterwards that basically God spoke to him and at 54 00:02:58,602 --> 00:03:01,401 Speaker 5: the outline of vision for a new organization that would 55 00:03:01,442 --> 00:03:04,002 Speaker 5: help ordinary Catholics to go a bit deeper, to be 56 00:03:04,042 --> 00:03:06,922 Speaker 5: more serious about their faith without the need to become 57 00:03:07,002 --> 00:03:11,282 Speaker 5: priests or nuns. And that's basically how Opusto was born. 58 00:03:11,882 --> 00:03:14,202 Speaker 5: But very quickly it kind of evolved into something else. 59 00:03:14,202 --> 00:03:17,642 Speaker 5: So it started as basically a group that would just 60 00:03:17,722 --> 00:03:20,281 Speaker 5: help you to become a better Catholic. But this was 61 00:03:20,322 --> 00:03:24,122 Speaker 5: Spain in the late nineteen twenties early nineteen thirties. It 62 00:03:24,242 --> 00:03:27,362 Speaker 5: was a country that was deeply divided, on the brink 63 00:03:27,362 --> 00:03:30,522 Speaker 5: of civil war. The workers were rising up, they overthrow 64 00:03:30,602 --> 00:03:33,722 Speaker 5: the monarchy. They were demanding new rights for themselves and 65 00:03:33,762 --> 00:03:36,762 Speaker 5: critically for Escrivaughn. For Opah's day, they were turning the 66 00:03:36,842 --> 00:03:39,522 Speaker 5: backs on the Church, and he was horrified about this. 67 00:03:39,602 --> 00:03:43,042 Speaker 5: So what he did was he took this vision and 68 00:03:43,082 --> 00:03:46,362 Speaker 5: he transformed it into something else. And this is where 69 00:03:46,362 --> 00:03:50,202 Speaker 5: the conspiracy comes in. So he secretly drew up documents 70 00:03:50,522 --> 00:03:55,242 Speaker 5: for a brand new organization that would infiltrate every part 71 00:03:55,282 --> 00:03:59,162 Speaker 5: of society and use its power there to reshape society, 72 00:03:59,402 --> 00:04:03,722 Speaker 5: to unwind all of these progressive advances and to go back. 73 00:04:03,802 --> 00:04:06,122 Speaker 5: So he drew a new vision for Opu's day as 74 00:04:06,122 --> 00:04:10,082 Speaker 5: a reactionary secret, reactionary force in society, and that's what 75 00:04:10,202 --> 00:04:11,362 Speaker 5: it continues to be today. 76 00:04:11,642 --> 00:04:13,642 Speaker 2: So how is it viewed within the Catholic Church. 77 00:04:13,722 --> 00:04:18,041 Speaker 5: Now the Catholic which is a wide church, obviously that's 78 00:04:18,202 --> 00:04:21,202 Speaker 5: the liberal parts of the church. The most famous person 79 00:04:21,602 --> 00:04:23,722 Speaker 5: within that part, within the part of the church, of course, 80 00:04:23,802 --> 00:04:27,082 Speaker 5: is the Pelp. Pope Francis is considered a progressive, a 81 00:04:27,202 --> 00:04:30,562 Speaker 5: liberal Pulp. But you know that the church also has 82 00:04:30,602 --> 00:04:34,882 Speaker 5: a conservative wing and an art conservative wing, and Opus 83 00:04:34,882 --> 00:04:36,642 Speaker 5: Stay is very much part of that. So I think 84 00:04:36,962 --> 00:04:40,282 Speaker 5: the liberal progressive side of the church has always viewed 85 00:04:40,922 --> 00:04:44,042 Speaker 5: Opa Stay with a certain amount of suspicion, but it's 86 00:04:44,162 --> 00:04:46,962 Speaker 5: very much welcomed by the arch conservatives. 87 00:04:47,002 --> 00:04:51,002 Speaker 1: I forget this right. It was a conspiracy, a real conspiracy. 88 00:04:51,042 --> 00:04:53,562 Speaker 1: They were trying to infiltrate these places. But it was 89 00:04:53,642 --> 00:04:58,242 Speaker 1: also in response to a conspiracy theory Screeva right Winery standard. 90 00:04:58,642 --> 00:05:01,482 Speaker 1: He thought the world was controlled by the Jews and 91 00:05:01,562 --> 00:05:06,042 Speaker 1: the Freemasons, Republican side of the Spanish Civil War, the 92 00:05:06,082 --> 00:05:10,402 Speaker 1: Democrats and Communists and Bolsheviks. So his conspiracy was reaction 93 00:05:11,202 --> 00:05:13,642 Speaker 1: to conspiracy theories that he saw all around him. 94 00:05:14,002 --> 00:05:17,042 Speaker 5: You're absolutely right, jere So Escrigart. After he had this 95 00:05:17,122 --> 00:05:21,042 Speaker 5: initial vision, this quite benign vision for just helping ordinary Catholics, 96 00:05:21,682 --> 00:05:23,802 Speaker 5: all of this crazy stuff was happening around him. There 97 00:05:23,802 --> 00:05:27,242 Speaker 5: were church burnings, that was fighting on the streets. He 98 00:05:27,322 --> 00:05:32,802 Speaker 5: came to the conclusion that this was all employed by 99 00:05:33,122 --> 00:05:36,402 Speaker 5: the Communists and the Jews and the Masons to take 100 00:05:36,442 --> 00:05:39,522 Speaker 5: over Spain, to rip up its Catholic past, and to 101 00:05:39,842 --> 00:05:44,722 Speaker 5: basically push forward this atheistic kind of society. He brought 102 00:05:44,762 --> 00:05:48,082 Speaker 5: into all of these conspiracy theories that it was a yeah, 103 00:05:48,202 --> 00:05:52,402 Speaker 5: it was a conspiracy to radically change Spanish society, and 104 00:05:52,522 --> 00:05:56,602 Speaker 5: the way that he began to redevelop op Stai. He 105 00:05:56,762 --> 00:06:00,522 Speaker 5: started to see opistae as almost like a militia to 106 00:06:00,562 --> 00:06:03,642 Speaker 5: fight back against these hidden forces. 107 00:06:03,642 --> 00:06:06,202 Speaker 6: And that gives you a permission. We're seeing this around 108 00:06:06,202 --> 00:06:09,642 Speaker 6: the world today. When you're in your mind fighting against 109 00:06:09,642 --> 00:06:13,482 Speaker 6: this grand conspiracy, that sort of can give you free 110 00:06:13,602 --> 00:06:16,082 Speaker 6: change to do the very things that you claim the 111 00:06:16,122 --> 00:06:19,242 Speaker 6: other side does. They're censoring us, so we're going to 112 00:06:19,282 --> 00:06:21,922 Speaker 6: censor them. They're destroying us, so we're going to destroy. 113 00:06:22,162 --> 00:06:24,722 Speaker 6: Something I was thinking about in the context of your 114 00:06:24,762 --> 00:06:28,362 Speaker 6: book is when you look at business activity that we 115 00:06:28,482 --> 00:06:31,162 Speaker 6: might call corruption, we might call whatever. If you look 116 00:06:31,202 --> 00:06:34,442 Speaker 6: at the history of business activity as a general rule, 117 00:06:35,122 --> 00:06:39,442 Speaker 6: money was always controlled by secretive groups. It was very 118 00:06:39,442 --> 00:06:43,082 Speaker 6: often family groups or culturally specific groups. And I think 119 00:06:43,082 --> 00:06:47,162 Speaker 6: that's for sort of pragmatic reasons that before the development 120 00:06:47,162 --> 00:06:49,802 Speaker 6: of modern commercial law, before the development of the modern 121 00:06:49,842 --> 00:06:53,442 Speaker 6: corporation or the publicly held corporation, how would you spread 122 00:06:53,522 --> 00:06:56,082 Speaker 6: money around the world, how would you come up with 123 00:06:56,242 --> 00:06:59,682 Speaker 6: trade agreements? It was generally you did it with your family. 124 00:06:59,722 --> 00:07:02,162 Speaker 6: There's a lot of family business throughout history, or you 125 00:07:02,202 --> 00:07:05,002 Speaker 6: did it with members of your insular group, you know. 126 00:07:05,162 --> 00:07:06,882 Speaker 6: I mean this is part of the reason Jews in 127 00:07:06,922 --> 00:07:08,682 Speaker 6: the Middle Ages or in the Middle East, as well 128 00:07:08,722 --> 00:07:12,362 Speaker 6: as Lebanese today or ethnic Chinese throughout Southeast Asia. I mean, 129 00:07:12,442 --> 00:07:15,282 Speaker 6: you can point to a lot of these groups. And 130 00:07:15,362 --> 00:07:17,522 Speaker 6: so in a weird way, I was reading Opus Day 131 00:07:17,562 --> 00:07:21,602 Speaker 6: as a just an example of solving a problem, which 132 00:07:21,642 --> 00:07:24,842 Speaker 6: is when you have this group that's spread around the 133 00:07:24,882 --> 00:07:29,482 Speaker 6: world that specifically it costs a bit to join the world. 134 00:07:29,522 --> 00:07:33,442 Speaker 6: It's a little scary you're giving up some credibility, but 135 00:07:33,482 --> 00:07:36,122 Speaker 6: you're gaining credibility with a little with a group. It's 136 00:07:36,122 --> 00:07:38,402 Speaker 6: almost inevitable in my mind, that's going to lead you 137 00:07:38,442 --> 00:07:42,682 Speaker 6: to financial transactions because if I'm whatever, I'm in Detroit 138 00:07:42,722 --> 00:07:44,682 Speaker 6: and I want to do business with someone in Madrid, 139 00:07:44,802 --> 00:07:46,922 Speaker 6: and I can be like, oh, we're in the same 140 00:07:47,042 --> 00:07:50,402 Speaker 6: in group. It's very costly to betray someone within your 141 00:07:50,402 --> 00:07:52,802 Speaker 6: same in group. So I trust you, you trust me, 142 00:07:52,882 --> 00:07:55,762 Speaker 6: we can start doing deals that just saying I'm going 143 00:07:55,802 --> 00:07:58,042 Speaker 6: to do deals with Catholics in a country like Spain 144 00:07:58,242 --> 00:07:59,842 Speaker 6: or that's not very meaningful. 145 00:08:00,082 --> 00:08:01,122 Speaker 2: Everyone's a Catholic. 146 00:08:01,482 --> 00:08:04,122 Speaker 6: I guess I'm forced to ask a question and not 147 00:08:04,282 --> 00:08:08,082 Speaker 6: just give a filibuster. Was it was it designed to 148 00:08:08,522 --> 00:08:10,562 Speaker 6: do that? Or was that just a result like they 149 00:08:10,642 --> 00:08:14,242 Speaker 6: found themselves. Hey, we're an insular group that has this 150 00:08:14,362 --> 00:08:18,082 Speaker 6: ability to be harnessed for financial gain, Let's go ahead 151 00:08:18,082 --> 00:08:18,562 Speaker 6: and do that. 152 00:08:19,002 --> 00:08:22,242 Speaker 5: It very quickly developed into a kind of controlling organization, 153 00:08:22,802 --> 00:08:24,802 Speaker 5: and I think that was for a number of reasons. 154 00:08:24,922 --> 00:08:28,122 Speaker 5: Screeve Art. He had all these grand ideas about he 155 00:08:28,162 --> 00:08:30,482 Speaker 5: wrote all of this stuff down in nineteen thirty one 156 00:08:30,642 --> 00:08:34,482 Speaker 5: nineteen thirty two, about infiltrating society and having his people 157 00:08:34,922 --> 00:08:38,162 Speaker 5: basically running the government and the judiciary and schools and 158 00:08:38,202 --> 00:08:38,722 Speaker 5: business and. 159 00:08:38,682 --> 00:08:39,202 Speaker 2: The rest of it. 160 00:08:39,482 --> 00:08:42,362 Speaker 5: But the fact was he had no faults. For about 161 00:08:42,402 --> 00:08:45,442 Speaker 5: the first five or six years after coming up with 162 00:08:45,482 --> 00:08:49,682 Speaker 5: this idea of elpus Day, he failed to recruit almost anyone. 163 00:08:49,722 --> 00:08:54,482 Speaker 5: He had about fifteen to twenty young boys who had recruited, 164 00:08:54,802 --> 00:08:58,562 Speaker 5: and so he then began to realize that his efforts 165 00:08:58,642 --> 00:09:02,282 Speaker 5: to recruit and attract people to help us Day it 166 00:09:02,362 --> 00:09:04,162 Speaker 5: just wasn't working. So he came up with this entirely 167 00:09:04,242 --> 00:09:08,442 Speaker 5: new system, this very controlling system where he basically groomed 168 00:09:08,522 --> 00:09:12,761 Speaker 5: people to join, and so it very quickly became not 169 00:09:12,842 --> 00:09:17,642 Speaker 5: just a family, but it kind of dysfunctional controlling family 170 00:09:17,762 --> 00:09:22,642 Speaker 5: were every element of these people's existences was watched and controlled. 171 00:09:22,722 --> 00:09:26,842 Speaker 5: So yes, you had this closed network. And by the way, 172 00:09:26,922 --> 00:09:29,922 Speaker 5: many of the people when they joined, were forced to 173 00:09:30,202 --> 00:09:33,362 Speaker 5: leave the blood family behind and the friend network behind 174 00:09:34,122 --> 00:09:37,322 Speaker 5: the lives became opus day and just help us day. 175 00:09:37,882 --> 00:09:39,642 Speaker 5: But he then kind of layered on top of that 176 00:09:40,402 --> 00:09:43,522 Speaker 5: the system of watching each other and of controlling every movement. 177 00:09:43,562 --> 00:09:46,602 Speaker 5: So it's the Mafia times ten. Because you have no 178 00:09:46,722 --> 00:09:48,162 Speaker 5: freedom to even go and have a drink in the 179 00:09:48,242 --> 00:09:50,522 Speaker 5: local bar or whatever. You're being watched entire time. 180 00:09:51,162 --> 00:09:55,802 Speaker 7: You're describing just classic cult behavior. Yes, was it always 181 00:09:55,802 --> 00:09:58,722 Speaker 7: a cult or did it evolve into a cult? 182 00:09:58,882 --> 00:10:03,602 Speaker 5: I think initially he started off by genuinely trying to 183 00:10:03,722 --> 00:10:06,842 Speaker 5: talk people into joining of their own free will, But 184 00:10:06,962 --> 00:10:09,642 Speaker 5: I think it very quickly evolved, I think within five 185 00:10:09,722 --> 00:10:12,922 Speaker 5: six years. And as I said before, he basically recruited 186 00:10:12,922 --> 00:10:15,482 Speaker 5: no one in the first few years, and it from 187 00:10:15,482 --> 00:10:19,282 Speaker 5: that point he discovered that cult like recruitment to cult 188 00:10:19,362 --> 00:10:22,722 Speaker 5: like kind of retention was the way forward. It became 189 00:10:22,762 --> 00:10:26,002 Speaker 5: it was a very successful way to grab people and 190 00:10:26,162 --> 00:10:28,802 Speaker 5: to retain them. Then you had this kind of hiatus 191 00:10:28,802 --> 00:10:31,122 Speaker 5: of the Spanish Civil War, which meant that the people 192 00:10:31,122 --> 00:10:34,762 Speaker 5: he recruited were either killed or left or were dispersed 193 00:10:34,762 --> 00:10:38,082 Speaker 5: around Spain. But then once Franco won the civil war, 194 00:10:38,522 --> 00:10:41,842 Speaker 5: he then fell back on this playbook of cult like 195 00:10:41,922 --> 00:10:44,922 Speaker 5: recruitment and it was it was super successful in the 196 00:10:44,922 --> 00:10:47,002 Speaker 5: Franco years. And to come back to what we were 197 00:10:47,002 --> 00:10:51,082 Speaker 5: saying before, were the money. He then found ways of 198 00:10:51,082 --> 00:10:55,162 Speaker 5: of basically pilfering from the state, of positioning opu Stay 199 00:10:55,242 --> 00:10:59,762 Speaker 5: within the state apparatus to get control over state funds 200 00:10:59,762 --> 00:11:03,122 Speaker 5: for education and research, and of using that network to 201 00:11:03,162 --> 00:11:05,202 Speaker 5: then ensure that he could use the money to expand 202 00:11:05,242 --> 00:11:06,322 Speaker 5: open Stay around the world. 203 00:11:11,362 --> 00:11:19,002 Speaker 1: Let's pause for a secret, We'll be right back. Could 204 00:11:19,042 --> 00:11:22,202 Speaker 1: you maybe go unto the Benko popular banking scandal that 205 00:11:22,282 --> 00:11:23,642 Speaker 1: Opuste was at the biolum up. 206 00:11:24,002 --> 00:11:24,242 Speaker 6: Yeah. 207 00:11:24,362 --> 00:11:27,722 Speaker 5: So, through the nineteen forties, spifi'd very quickly realized that 208 00:11:28,002 --> 00:11:33,002 Speaker 5: they needed money to expand. He had huge ambitions to 209 00:11:33,162 --> 00:11:36,122 Speaker 5: take opu Ste not just all across Spain but around 210 00:11:36,122 --> 00:11:39,402 Speaker 5: the world, and he needed money to do that. So initially, 211 00:11:39,482 --> 00:11:42,802 Speaker 5: as I was just saying, he managed to get make 212 00:11:43,042 --> 00:11:46,042 Speaker 5: rolls into the Franco regime and managed to siphon off 213 00:11:46,322 --> 00:11:50,042 Speaker 5: state funds to help op Stay expand they began to 214 00:11:50,082 --> 00:11:53,802 Speaker 5: set up networks of businesses as well, so through Opuste's 215 00:11:53,802 --> 00:11:57,002 Speaker 5: connections with the regime, and so they set up businesses 216 00:11:57,042 --> 00:12:00,842 Speaker 5: to benefit from those relationships with the Franco regime. But 217 00:12:00,962 --> 00:12:03,202 Speaker 5: I think at one stage in the early fifties they 218 00:12:03,282 --> 00:12:08,042 Speaker 5: realized that to get control of the bank would take 219 00:12:08,082 --> 00:12:11,162 Speaker 5: things to an entirely different level. Being dependent on the 220 00:12:11,202 --> 00:12:14,362 Speaker 5: Franco regime to win contracts or whatever or just get 221 00:12:14,442 --> 00:12:17,842 Speaker 5: state money was very restrictive because those taps could be 222 00:12:17,882 --> 00:12:20,322 Speaker 5: turned off very quickly. But if you had control of 223 00:12:20,362 --> 00:12:25,202 Speaker 5: the bank, you had control over the savings of potentially 224 00:12:25,282 --> 00:12:27,442 Speaker 5: millions of Spaniards who put their money into the bank, 225 00:12:27,482 --> 00:12:30,402 Speaker 5: and you could use that money to lend to your 226 00:12:30,642 --> 00:12:33,962 Speaker 5: various initiatives around the world. And we've seen many banks 227 00:12:34,002 --> 00:12:36,082 Speaker 5: infiltrated and used in this way over the years, and 228 00:12:36,122 --> 00:12:38,322 Speaker 5: the way they took control of their first bank was 229 00:12:38,362 --> 00:12:42,202 Speaker 5: quite interesting. They got winds of scandal. It's a big 230 00:12:42,242 --> 00:12:46,442 Speaker 5: Spanish bank. Ironically, one of the big bosses at the bank, 231 00:12:46,602 --> 00:12:49,842 Speaker 5: who was a devout Catholic and fan of Opus day, 232 00:12:50,402 --> 00:12:53,842 Speaker 5: he turned to opah Stay and confessed that the owner 233 00:12:53,842 --> 00:12:56,082 Speaker 5: of the bank had been doing all these dodgy deals 234 00:12:56,082 --> 00:12:59,002 Speaker 5: in France and if the Franco regime got wind of it, 235 00:12:59,082 --> 00:13:02,442 Speaker 5: the bank was going to be punished and potentially people 236 00:13:02,442 --> 00:13:06,202 Speaker 5: who go to prison. So Opuste got this information and. 237 00:13:06,962 --> 00:13:09,402 Speaker 6: Did he literally confess like they broke the seal of 238 00:13:09,442 --> 00:13:10,962 Speaker 6: the confessional or it's more. 239 00:13:11,362 --> 00:13:14,442 Speaker 5: I don't think it was in confession, but it was 240 00:13:14,442 --> 00:13:16,562 Speaker 5: in one of these sessions that they call spiritual guidance, 241 00:13:16,562 --> 00:13:19,482 Speaker 5: So that this guy had gone to an Opu's Day 242 00:13:20,242 --> 00:13:23,881 Speaker 5: member and basically was looking for a bit of kind 243 00:13:23,922 --> 00:13:27,362 Speaker 5: of Catholic guidance. And this the opposte member took this 244 00:13:27,442 --> 00:13:31,122 Speaker 5: information and passed it along to his fellow members, and 245 00:13:31,162 --> 00:13:34,682 Speaker 5: they then turned the information against the bank to oust 246 00:13:35,122 --> 00:13:37,162 Speaker 5: the owner of the bank, and they, you know, over 247 00:13:37,202 --> 00:13:40,962 Speaker 5: a number of years they gradually took control until by 248 00:13:40,962 --> 00:13:43,762 Speaker 5: the end of the nineteen fifties, Opus Day was effectively 249 00:13:43,802 --> 00:13:46,562 Speaker 5: in control of one of Spain's largest banks and from 250 00:13:46,602 --> 00:13:48,242 Speaker 5: there the sky was the limit. 251 00:13:48,482 --> 00:13:50,562 Speaker 7: Then what happened next with the bank fraud? Where did 252 00:13:50,562 --> 00:13:51,162 Speaker 7: the story go? 253 00:13:51,682 --> 00:13:54,122 Speaker 5: So after taking control of this Spanish bank in the 254 00:13:54,162 --> 00:13:59,002 Speaker 5: late nineteen fifties, Opus Day very quickly began to rewire 255 00:13:59,202 --> 00:14:02,562 Speaker 5: and renetwork the bank to ensure that it could benefit 256 00:14:02,602 --> 00:14:04,762 Speaker 5: from the bank financially, but also to ensure that its 257 00:14:04,882 --> 00:14:07,722 Speaker 5: own network around the globe would benefit directly from the 258 00:14:07,762 --> 00:14:11,282 Speaker 5: bank as well. And so Bank of Popular, this Spanish 259 00:14:11,282 --> 00:14:14,802 Speaker 5: bank very quickly became away not just of extracting my 260 00:14:15,042 --> 00:14:17,442 Speaker 5: need to help to finance the expansion of olper stay, 261 00:14:17,682 --> 00:14:21,162 Speaker 5: but also became a way of it became a network 262 00:14:21,282 --> 00:14:25,562 Speaker 5: for moving money around the world. During the Franco years, 263 00:14:25,802 --> 00:14:29,362 Speaker 5: there were huge restrictions on transferring cash out of Spain 264 00:14:29,442 --> 00:14:32,842 Speaker 5: to other countries, and so they developed this network, initially 265 00:14:32,842 --> 00:14:35,842 Speaker 5: through Switzerland and Andorra, but then through other kind of 266 00:14:35,882 --> 00:14:41,282 Speaker 5: tax havens in Panama, Tinstein, Kurasau to traffic huge amounts 267 00:14:41,282 --> 00:14:44,122 Speaker 5: of money. And over the course of the next kind 268 00:14:44,162 --> 00:14:47,122 Speaker 5: of forty to fifty years, the bank became a cash 269 00:14:47,122 --> 00:14:51,602 Speaker 5: machine for Opus Day. They extracted hundreds of millions of 270 00:14:51,602 --> 00:14:55,082 Speaker 5: dollars probably more like billions of dollars from the bank 271 00:14:55,242 --> 00:14:58,162 Speaker 5: to finance the expansion of Opas day around the world, 272 00:14:58,842 --> 00:15:02,722 Speaker 5: and for a number of reasons in the early twenty tens, 273 00:15:03,362 --> 00:15:06,202 Speaker 5: the bank fell into all kinds of trouble. Now, some 274 00:15:06,242 --> 00:15:09,162 Speaker 5: of it was I guess related to these outflows to 275 00:15:09,202 --> 00:15:13,002 Speaker 5: Opa Stay and Opustay's semi control of the bank. But 276 00:15:13,082 --> 00:15:15,322 Speaker 5: some of it was also related to what was happening 277 00:15:15,322 --> 00:15:18,042 Speaker 5: to other banks around the world. They'd overinvested in the 278 00:15:18,042 --> 00:15:21,962 Speaker 5: real estate market and had failed to get on top 279 00:15:21,962 --> 00:15:25,522 Speaker 5: of their problems quickly enough, and the bank fell into 280 00:15:25,562 --> 00:15:27,922 Speaker 5: a huge amount of trouble. And yes, in twenty seventeen, 281 00:15:27,962 --> 00:15:31,122 Speaker 5: the bank collapsed. But the collapse of the bank was 282 00:15:31,242 --> 00:15:34,002 Speaker 5: terrible for the bank's other shareholders and terrible for the 283 00:15:34,002 --> 00:15:37,482 Speaker 5: bank's bondholders and creditors, but was great for me because 284 00:15:37,562 --> 00:15:39,642 Speaker 5: it meant that Opus Stay no longer had control over 285 00:15:39,682 --> 00:15:43,082 Speaker 5: these archives, and this nauzy journalist from the UK was 286 00:15:43,122 --> 00:15:46,122 Speaker 5: able to get in and pieced together this crazy story. 287 00:15:46,202 --> 00:15:49,642 Speaker 2: It seems that Opus Day got it pushed forward when 288 00:15:49,682 --> 00:15:52,162 Speaker 2: Pop Paul the second gave credibility of the group and 289 00:15:52,442 --> 00:15:55,122 Speaker 2: shared their conservative view. But what is it about the 290 00:15:55,162 --> 00:15:59,162 Speaker 2: tenets of the Opus Day that appeal to average personnel? 291 00:15:59,202 --> 00:16:02,242 Speaker 2: How is it different than regular catalysism in that sense? 292 00:16:02,602 --> 00:16:04,682 Speaker 2: So I think there were two things. I think, on 293 00:16:04,762 --> 00:16:07,282 Speaker 2: the face of it, Opus Stay is very good at 294 00:16:07,282 --> 00:16:14,642 Speaker 2: presenting itself as a serious organization dedicated to helping ordinary 295 00:16:14,642 --> 00:16:16,962 Speaker 2: Catholic to go a step further in their faith and 296 00:16:17,082 --> 00:16:19,802 Speaker 2: to really offer themselves up to God. And the way 297 00:16:19,842 --> 00:16:23,042 Speaker 2: that they kind of reel people in is by telling them, look, you, 298 00:16:23,202 --> 00:16:26,362 Speaker 2: as a doctor or a politician or a journalist or whatever, 299 00:16:26,802 --> 00:16:30,882 Speaker 2: you can serve God by simply striving for perfection and 300 00:16:30,922 --> 00:16:33,562 Speaker 2: everything you do, and that's your way of serving God. 301 00:16:33,562 --> 00:16:35,482 Speaker 2: You don't need to become a priest or done. You 302 00:16:35,522 --> 00:16:40,682 Speaker 2: can achieve sanhood here on earth by just striving for 303 00:16:40,722 --> 00:16:45,842 Speaker 2: perfection if you're a hot shot lawyer or a Republican 304 00:16:46,042 --> 00:16:50,042 Speaker 2: congressman or whatever. That's the idea is quite appealing, But 305 00:16:50,122 --> 00:16:53,122 Speaker 2: I think there's also another element to it, And I 306 00:16:53,202 --> 00:16:57,002 Speaker 2: think this is very much true in places like Spain 307 00:16:57,042 --> 00:17:00,042 Speaker 2: where Opus Day is strongest, but I think it's becoming 308 00:17:00,082 --> 00:17:03,362 Speaker 2: increasingly true in the US as well. I think by 309 00:17:03,682 --> 00:17:07,601 Speaker 2: joining Opus Day as a member, or just by entering 310 00:17:07,682 --> 00:17:10,361 Speaker 2: into the elpus Day network, it opens a lot of doors. 311 00:17:10,882 --> 00:17:14,002 Speaker 2: I think it's useful to think of Olpusta as a network. 312 00:17:14,402 --> 00:17:16,682 Speaker 2: By being by the network, you're part of this kind 313 00:17:16,682 --> 00:17:20,601 Speaker 2: of like minded group, these kind of like minded conservatives, 314 00:17:21,282 --> 00:17:26,841 Speaker 2: like minded professionals. Because opstay very specifically recruits from the 315 00:17:26,882 --> 00:17:28,962 Speaker 2: elite of society. They're not interested in the kind of 316 00:17:29,002 --> 00:17:31,882 Speaker 2: the working classes or the middle classes they specifically go 317 00:17:31,962 --> 00:17:35,321 Speaker 2: after because they want to influence society. But by getting 318 00:17:35,402 --> 00:17:39,362 Speaker 2: membership into this network, that opens up business opportunities and 319 00:17:39,602 --> 00:17:45,482 Speaker 2: networking opportunities, professional advancement. And I would argue that these days, 320 00:17:45,642 --> 00:17:48,042 Speaker 2: to get ahead in place like Washington, d C. It 321 00:17:48,162 --> 00:17:50,922 Speaker 2: helps to be Catholic and it helps to be part 322 00:17:50,962 --> 00:17:55,601 Speaker 2: of this LP Er Stay network. Just hold on for 323 00:17:55,642 --> 00:17:56,962 Speaker 2: a short break. We'll be right back. 324 00:18:04,722 --> 00:18:06,802 Speaker 1: Okay. So you've got a screenviar who founds it, and 325 00:18:06,802 --> 00:18:09,162 Speaker 1: he's a big fear of Hitler, by the way, Mussolini. 326 00:18:09,562 --> 00:18:13,601 Speaker 1: Today we've got OPA Stay hugely influential, all out of 327 00:18:13,802 --> 00:18:16,842 Speaker 1: worshiped with size and the US. So the US, you've 328 00:18:16,842 --> 00:18:20,962 Speaker 1: got former head of the FBI, Louis Three. You've got 329 00:18:21,162 --> 00:18:25,442 Speaker 1: people in the Supreme Court with close connections with bar Our. 330 00:18:25,962 --> 00:18:30,362 Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation is run by a guy with close relationship 331 00:18:30,402 --> 00:18:34,402 Speaker 1: with Opus stain Scalia in the ot Scalia. 332 00:18:34,522 --> 00:18:35,922 Speaker 5: I don't believe he was a member, but he will 333 00:18:35,962 --> 00:18:38,042 Speaker 5: sent me within the next he was a regular within. 334 00:18:37,962 --> 00:18:41,882 Speaker 1: The circle executive right, yeah, yes, And Amy Colinbero and 335 00:18:41,922 --> 00:18:43,842 Speaker 1: she's not in OPA Stay, but she was in a 336 00:18:43,922 --> 00:18:47,282 Speaker 1: similar type of thing. So where is Opus day now 337 00:18:47,802 --> 00:18:51,762 Speaker 1: inside of the US, right, and talking about real conspiracies, 338 00:18:52,322 --> 00:18:55,362 Speaker 1: what is Opus Stay's role inside of the US now? 339 00:18:55,722 --> 00:18:59,282 Speaker 1: Right from the beginning, from the thirties onwards, Opus Stay 340 00:18:59,522 --> 00:19:04,442 Speaker 1: has always aspired, has always conspired, she might say, to 341 00:19:04,482 --> 00:19:08,522 Speaker 1: infiltrate the upper echelons of society, because Esprievar realized from 342 00:19:08,562 --> 00:19:12,842 Speaker 1: very early on that the way you push your reactionary 343 00:19:12,842 --> 00:19:17,122 Speaker 1: agenda is by infiltrating the institutions that are in charge 344 00:19:17,242 --> 00:19:21,722 Speaker 1: of shaping societies. Obyste entered the US in the late 345 00:19:21,842 --> 00:19:26,522 Speaker 1: nineteen forties, and initially it's set up in Chicago, a 346 00:19:26,642 --> 00:19:31,922 Speaker 1: very Catholic city. It then soon expanded to Boston, but 347 00:19:32,002 --> 00:19:34,522 Speaker 1: before long in area, in the early nineteen fifties, it 348 00:19:34,602 --> 00:19:37,962 Speaker 1: was turning its attention to Washington because it realized that 349 00:19:38,122 --> 00:19:42,602 Speaker 1: if it wanted to shape US society, then it had 350 00:19:42,642 --> 00:19:45,442 Speaker 1: to be in Washington. In the fifties, it tried to 351 00:19:45,442 --> 00:19:48,081 Speaker 1: set up an Olble's Daye University in Washington, d C. 352 00:19:48,322 --> 00:19:51,922 Speaker 1: But that idea completely failed. But ever since then it's 353 00:19:51,962 --> 00:19:54,922 Speaker 1: poured resources into the city. And I think one for me, 354 00:19:55,002 --> 00:19:59,202 Speaker 1: one kind of very interesting statistic is this Obboste officially 355 00:19:59,242 --> 00:20:02,841 Speaker 1: has about three thousand members in the US, and as 356 00:20:02,882 --> 00:20:06,962 Speaker 1: a Catholic organization, you would have expected that membership to 357 00:20:06,962 --> 00:20:12,482 Speaker 1: be concentrated in Catholic cities like Chicago and Boston, New York, 358 00:20:12,762 --> 00:20:16,082 Speaker 1: even Miami these days with the large Hispanic population there, but. 359 00:20:16,042 --> 00:20:20,321 Speaker 5: That's not true. The largest OPA stay community in the 360 00:20:20,442 --> 00:20:23,722 Speaker 5: US is in the Washington, D C. Area, and that 361 00:20:23,802 --> 00:20:25,802 Speaker 5: kind of tells you all you need to know about 362 00:20:26,482 --> 00:20:30,042 Speaker 5: where it's targeted its recruitment over the years. It's very 363 00:20:30,162 --> 00:20:34,402 Speaker 5: much gone after targeting the Washington d C. Political and 364 00:20:34,482 --> 00:20:39,042 Speaker 5: judicial elite. It's got two schools, two open stay schools 365 00:20:39,082 --> 00:20:43,682 Speaker 5: in Washington, which kind of servered a double purpose. One is, 366 00:20:43,842 --> 00:20:46,362 Speaker 5: and this has always been an open stay strategy. They've 367 00:20:46,362 --> 00:20:48,962 Speaker 5: gone after the top students because that's a way of 368 00:20:49,002 --> 00:20:52,402 Speaker 5: recruiting tomorrow's elite into the system from an early age 369 00:20:52,602 --> 00:20:55,562 Speaker 5: and it's really indoctrinating them from an early age. But two, 370 00:20:56,242 --> 00:20:58,922 Speaker 5: by setting up these very good schools, it's a way 371 00:20:58,962 --> 00:21:01,722 Speaker 5: of attracting the great and the good of Washington to 372 00:21:01,762 --> 00:21:05,561 Speaker 5: get them to entice them into the schools, get them 373 00:21:05,602 --> 00:21:07,922 Speaker 5: send their kids there, and then you invite them to 374 00:21:07,962 --> 00:21:10,442 Speaker 5: the kind of extracurricular meetings where you know, you get 375 00:21:10,482 --> 00:21:12,121 Speaker 5: to know the parents as well. It's a way of 376 00:21:12,482 --> 00:21:15,282 Speaker 5: drawing them into the system. I mean, many of Washington's 377 00:21:15,322 --> 00:21:18,602 Speaker 5: great and good send the kids to the boys' school 378 00:21:18,602 --> 00:21:20,762 Speaker 5: which is called the Heights and this girls school called 379 00:21:20,802 --> 00:21:23,522 Speaker 5: Oak Crest. And maybe this is a good moment to 380 00:21:23,522 --> 00:21:27,242 Speaker 5: bring in Johnson, your producer, which when we were setting 381 00:21:27,362 --> 00:21:30,362 Speaker 5: up the interview, he reveals me that he'd actually attended 382 00:21:30,402 --> 00:21:33,802 Speaker 5: the Heights School, the Upper Stay School just outside of Washington. 383 00:21:33,842 --> 00:21:35,122 Speaker 5: So maybe I don't know if you want to talk 384 00:21:35,122 --> 00:21:38,242 Speaker 5: about your observations and how they tally with what I 385 00:21:38,562 --> 00:21:38,762 Speaker 5: or not. 386 00:21:40,202 --> 00:21:43,802 Speaker 7: I actually think that you're attributing more legitimacy to the 387 00:21:43,842 --> 00:21:46,802 Speaker 7: school then I think it deserves as a school. 388 00:21:47,242 --> 00:21:48,162 Speaker 1: So I was there for. 389 00:21:48,082 --> 00:21:51,562 Speaker 7: One grade, one year, eighth grade in the early eighties, 390 00:21:51,882 --> 00:21:55,522 Speaker 7: and I'm Jewish, So why on earth did they accept 391 00:21:55,842 --> 00:21:59,002 Speaker 7: a Jew. I think they had the misconception that maybe 392 00:21:59,002 --> 00:22:02,122 Speaker 7: my family had some more influence, which we didn't, and 393 00:22:02,602 --> 00:22:05,401 Speaker 7: also a fear that if they rejected me or they 394 00:22:05,482 --> 00:22:09,002 Speaker 7: kicked me out, that that would somehow boomerang on them. 395 00:22:09,362 --> 00:22:12,962 Speaker 7: There is two Jews in two Protestants in the school 396 00:22:13,242 --> 00:22:16,242 Speaker 7: and a few black kids, so we were the outsiders. 397 00:22:16,482 --> 00:22:21,602 Speaker 7: It was a year of absolutely stagnant education. For me, 398 00:22:21,762 --> 00:22:25,722 Speaker 7: there was the education was just of the ne year 399 00:22:26,162 --> 00:22:29,402 Speaker 7: of educating the kids. I didn't realize it at the time, 400 00:22:29,442 --> 00:22:32,602 Speaker 7: but only in hindsight how many of the kids were 401 00:22:33,162 --> 00:22:37,922 Speaker 7: kids of people of influence in journalism and politics and money. 402 00:22:38,322 --> 00:22:42,242 Speaker 7: But it was also it was a very abusive environment 403 00:22:42,722 --> 00:22:46,842 Speaker 7: physically and emotionally, and almost all the kids that were 404 00:22:46,842 --> 00:22:49,802 Speaker 7: in there with me hated it, couldn't wait to get out. 405 00:22:50,162 --> 00:22:53,882 Speaker 7: The Opusta is his members like Leonard Leo Right from 406 00:22:53,882 --> 00:22:58,081 Speaker 7: the Federal Society and responsible for putting three or four Supreme. 407 00:22:57,722 --> 00:23:00,722 Speaker 1: Court justices in. Then we've got the head of the 408 00:23:00,722 --> 00:23:05,202 Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation, right, that's the authors of Project twenty twenty five. 409 00:23:05,362 --> 00:23:07,842 Speaker 1: We've got people like Newt Gingrich right, it was the 410 00:23:07,882 --> 00:23:10,962 Speaker 1: father of the American current right. And so we've got 411 00:23:11,002 --> 00:23:15,482 Speaker 1: all these tentacles going in. And Louis free Standing is 412 00:23:15,642 --> 00:23:19,242 Speaker 1: head of the FBI, was in Opus day and he 413 00:23:19,402 --> 00:23:22,162 Speaker 1: was close to Robert Hanson and protected him in a 414 00:23:22,202 --> 00:23:24,922 Speaker 1: lot of ways. And Hanson and I think we need 415 00:23:24,962 --> 00:23:27,601 Speaker 1: to as former CIA officers, we need to get into this. 416 00:23:27,682 --> 00:23:30,202 Speaker 1: And I want to talk to John Cipher about this 417 00:23:30,282 --> 00:23:35,162 Speaker 1: a little bit. Hanson apparently in the early eighties actually 418 00:23:35,962 --> 00:23:40,802 Speaker 1: confessed to a Catholic priest associd with Opus Day and said, 419 00:23:41,042 --> 00:23:43,882 Speaker 1: I'm spying for the Russians and they've given me diamonds 420 00:23:43,922 --> 00:23:46,642 Speaker 1: and they've given me a huge amount of money. And 421 00:23:46,802 --> 00:23:51,002 Speaker 1: the priest, this Opus Day priest, told him give the 422 00:23:51,082 --> 00:23:54,042 Speaker 1: money that the Russians, this KGB bun it, give it 423 00:23:54,082 --> 00:23:58,282 Speaker 1: to Opus Day and don't tell anybody about this. And 424 00:23:58,802 --> 00:24:00,601 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's really the right thing to do. 425 00:24:00,802 --> 00:24:04,042 Speaker 1: So for me, that's espionage, that's conspiracy. I'm not sure 426 00:24:04,162 --> 00:24:06,601 Speaker 1: quite how Opus Day is an organization fits in, but 427 00:24:06,722 --> 00:24:10,561 Speaker 1: people certainly do. And John, I was going to ask you, 428 00:24:10,562 --> 00:24:13,042 Speaker 1: you've worked on the Hanson case, what was the sense 429 00:24:13,122 --> 00:24:16,122 Speaker 1: of his mental makeup that he was both in Opus 430 00:24:16,162 --> 00:24:19,002 Speaker 1: Stay and seeing a dominant at the same time. 431 00:24:19,322 --> 00:24:21,282 Speaker 2: I don't think he was a conservative Catholic. It was 432 00:24:21,282 --> 00:24:23,162 Speaker 2: when he got married. His wife was a very strong 433 00:24:23,242 --> 00:24:27,002 Speaker 2: Catholic and he almost went overboard in that. And I 434 00:24:27,002 --> 00:24:29,442 Speaker 2: don't know if it gave him a place to be 435 00:24:29,482 --> 00:24:30,841 Speaker 2: in a place to think that he was part of 436 00:24:30,842 --> 00:24:33,242 Speaker 2: the elite or something. But he was always an outsider 437 00:24:33,362 --> 00:24:35,682 Speaker 2: even in that sense. And yeah, he spied for the 438 00:24:35,722 --> 00:24:37,722 Speaker 2: Russians from the late seventies when he was in New 439 00:24:37,802 --> 00:24:40,121 Speaker 2: York and didn't have much money all the way up 440 00:24:40,122 --> 00:24:41,722 Speaker 2: to so until he was arrested in two thousand and one. 441 00:24:42,002 --> 00:24:44,642 Speaker 2: And that's true. He did confess to a priest in 442 00:24:44,682 --> 00:24:46,561 Speaker 2: the church and was told to give money to but 443 00:24:46,642 --> 00:24:49,802 Speaker 2: you know, obviously a very very troubled person. And what's 444 00:24:49,842 --> 00:24:51,882 Speaker 2: interesting is, yeah, his boss when he was at the FBI, 445 00:24:51,962 --> 00:24:53,122 Speaker 2: for part of the time he was at the FBI, 446 00:24:53,162 --> 00:24:55,082 Speaker 2: was retally free. He was also part of that same church. 447 00:24:55,722 --> 00:24:58,121 Speaker 8: We're going to stop here today and we'll continue our 448 00:24:58,162 --> 00:25:01,282 Speaker 8: conversation with Gareth Gore next week when we'll get into 449 00:25:01,282 --> 00:25:05,042 Speaker 8: OPU Stay's political ambitions here in the US and around 450 00:25:05,082 --> 00:25:13,962 Speaker 8: the world until next week on Mission Implausible. 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