WEBVTT - Joey D & Kolby 'K-Wayne' Tullier 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:08.080 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:12.119 you every Wednesday. This week's guests, UM two guys that 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:13.680 I've been wanting to have on the podcast for a 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:18.160 while now, Joey d and Colby Tellier. Um there, I mean, 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.239 I'm pretty biased, but I think there are two of 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.600 the best people in the Gulf fitness space. UM. I'm 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:26.000 lucky enough to work on the same team with them 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.960 with a bunch of different players. And UM, I have 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.080 known both of them for quite some time, and like 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.840 I said, I think they're I think they're the best 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:38.240 in the business. That's why they work with the best players. UM. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.400 The best players in the world entrust them to help 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:45.479 them with all of their golf fitness and it's interesting 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.760 to to talk to both of them to talk about 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.280 how far golf fitness has come and you know where 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:54.000 it is. But I don't think there's anyone inside the 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.440 top ten, top fifteen, even top twenty five in the 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.080 world that doesn't have people like them look after their fitness. 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.319 And UM, you know, I think when you look at 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.840 the gains that that players have made. UM, you know, 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.399 a guy like Matt Fitzpatrick who has really really kind 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.080 of changed UM, how he trains, UM, how he goes 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.440 about trying to get distant speed and power. And that's 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.600 something that I think everybody's trying to do UM day 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:20.520 in and day out. You know, when I give golf lessons, 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.839 people are always saying, listen, you need to get more speed, 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.760 need to get more power, and so UM. Having an 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.200 opportunity to talk to Joey and Colby about UM, what 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.960 they do, their opinions on on on golf fitness and 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.680 kind of you know, the direction players should go in 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.119 and the direction they should try and avoid. So I'm 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.080 excited for everyone to take a listen, So sit back 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:50.240 and enjoy the interview. So boys, uh, hang the banner. 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:54.080 The new book is out. UM, talk to me, what 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.200 was the impetus in doing the book? Why did you 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.320 guys want to do books? I mean, everybody you know 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.800 is doing stuff, but what was the I mean, I 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.000 know from coming into the academy here in the gym 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.600 that anytime a player wins the tournament, you guys hang 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.639 these big banners and UM, talk to me about what 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.640 was the reason behind and why you guys wanted to 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:16.520 do the book. I think the reason behind hanging the 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:21.040 banner was there was an opportunity as the you know, 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:27.399 topic of golf fitness has finally evolved, and I think 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.160 people understand it better than ever than Colby and I 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.120 felt collaboration between the two of us because we were 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.040 like minded. I believe in everything he does and I 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:37.919 supported and I think he is the very best of 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.799 what he does. And you know, I believe that people 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:42.840 still till this day have had a little bit of 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:46.440 a challenge to understand what does golf fitness mean? You know. 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.760 Hang the banner was basically a testimony to the players 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.120 that come through these doors, that work with coach k 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:59.240 Wayne and I and our personal methodologies and there um, 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:04.679 you know, put up on on how they believe it 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:09.000 benefits them. So yeah, hanging banner. Yeah, I mean I 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.520 couldn't agree more. Um, I probably started a hashtag like 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.800 six years ago. So I mean, to me, it was 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.280 cool because like you see the end of the tournament, 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.040 right they win, they hold a trophy, and there was 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:26.400 there was so much work that's put in, you know, um, 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:27.959 and it was just an opportunity to kind of pay 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.359 homage to them, like to celebrate their victory, their work 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:31.880 at all work paid off. It was kind of like 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:33.760 the Boston going you're walking in you see all these 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.400 banners up there. Um, So it was it was an 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:41.440 opportunity for us to really like bring it to the forefront. 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.040 And then when the book came along, Um, we were 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.119 just kind of brainstorming and talking about if there's something 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.200 that we'd want to do, and we were like, man, 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:50.480 we should just call it hanging a banner, and we 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.960 should like really talk about and give our athletes an 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.760 opportunity to be able to give us some insight, because 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:57.880 I mean, that's really what the book means the most 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.720 to me about is that every lead we asked to 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.400 take part in it, Um, they didn't even hesitate, you know, 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.200 and and and through the years of being here, and 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.800 which isn't always easy to do because you have I mean, 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:11.320 I think a lot of times we're on the other 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.720 side of this. We're not players we work for We 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.640 work for athletes, we work for golfers. Um. There's always 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.200 that fine line of you know we do I mean, 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.320 we give our lives to these guys, right. We we 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.880 spend more time with these players, you know, traveling all 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:25.600 over the world, and sometimes we spend with our own 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.800 families but it's always that thing that whenever you want 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.440 to ask them to do something, does the agent want 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.400 to get involved? Wa Wi? I mean you know this. 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.000 So the fact that everybody bought in I think it 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:37.920 is as estimate to the way they feel about the book, 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:39.760 you guys. Yeah, I mean, And and it was great 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:41.400 because like, I don't think I would have wanted to 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.040 write the book. I don't think we want to do 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.080 it if we didn't have an opportunity to put them 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.159 in it, you know, because it was just it's a 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.200 testament to the hard work that we've put in from 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.400 from day in and day out and over the years 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.080 and twenty plus years that we've been trying to do 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.280 it and perfect our craft. Um. It was just an 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.400 opportunity to kind of include everybody in the journey and 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:04.160 just kind of give the viewers or the reader, uh 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.599 an opportunity to see the work that's put in the 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.719 transference from the exercise selection on how it creates the 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:15.080 program and how we create specific programs for Pacific specific 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.400 athletes and how their body moves and how we can 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:24.080 create uh some synergistic mythology of training to have transference 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:28.200 into their sport. Um everybody. I mean, obviously you guys 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:29.599 worked with some of the best golfers in the world. 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:31.120 But I want to go back to the beginning. How 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:34.080 did how did you guys get into fitness, because I mean, 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.280 whenever I talk to instructors, I'm always interested about their 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.960 road kind of too golf instruction. Why did they get 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.400 into it with a players and stuff like that. Joey, 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:45.280 we'll we'll start with you. I mean, how did you 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:50.080 become interested in fitness? I mean, was it always something 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.320 that was a part of your life? It was ingrained 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.080 in me. You know, my dad was an instructor on 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.440 the weekends back in the day at the police Academy 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:58.920 after we get out of the military, and he was 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.920 a very well accomplished you know, uh in martial arts 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:04.839 and disciplines, and he that he was one of the 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.120 early adapters in the New York City Police Department to 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:12.760 start uh the academy for uh the incoming rookies in 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.000 the NYPD, and that you know, we spent you know, 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.000 at least one week in a month in New York 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.120 City growing up in that environment. So it was instilled 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.039 early on. And then my dad played golf with his 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.479 buddies that they had a Saturday game, and you know, 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.200 that was always cool to be a part of the golf. 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.720 And I think I've always, you know, been intrigued by 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:35.159 why golf wasn't something that we saw. And you saw 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.080 this growing up, probably more than any of us in 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.480 this room right now. I mean, you're your heritage is 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.800 the most famous and and it's the most interesting. And uh, 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.320 you know, you could say to validate what Colby and 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.080 I say that it was a tough journey to get 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.280 these golfers to adapt. I mean you look back a 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.320 decade plus ago, two decades that we weren't even allowed. 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.120 Like your dad would remember once looked at me like, 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:55.800 what are you doing? You don't blow out here, like 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:57.720 I don't like different like you don't know what you're doing. 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.080 And that was that was cool because I think inherently, 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:05.040 back in the day, you're in the fifties, sixties and seventies, 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.720 golf and getting big and getting any sort of muscle 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:13.600 was bad for you because that wasn't kind of part 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:17.160 of what players did. They didn't understand it. Yeah, it 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.680 was taboo back then. I mean if you touched the weight, 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.680 they would ruin your golf swing. Basically you come colbe 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:27.840 not from necessarily the golf background, but more from a 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.280 team sport background. Yeah, team sport background, and also fitness 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:34.640 was was born into me, you know, like I was. 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:39.200 I was challenged at an early age, born with uh 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.880 substantial birth effect to learn how to walk five times 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:43.840 in my life, you know, like did the whole bars 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:45.520 as far as gum braces, did the whole thing, and 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.320 I had a seven percent chance I'd never walked, I'd 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.520 be in a wheelchair. So that I fell in love 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.720 with how the human body moved at a very very 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.560 young age because it was part of my life for 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:56.800 me to be able to function as a human, I 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:01.200 had to really established and have to create kind of 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.920 like perfect habits for me to be able to just 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.160 live a life worth living almost um. But then from 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.560 there I just kind of grew into me UM and 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.800 then I got involved in more team athletic sports and 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.360 stuff like that. I was always you know with my predisposition. 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.640 I was always in the gym. I was always trying 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:19.400 to get better. I was working on things that would 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.440 be after surgery if I was trying to accomplish specific goals. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.480 So it was just kind of ingraining to me. So, 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.320 and when I got into the fitness world as a profession, 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.680 you know it, it was easy for me to kind 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.720 of cross over into try to make people better because 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:36.680 you know, when you live in a in a position 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.719 where you're trying to get one or two better each 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.080 day and in dealing with some pain and stuff like, 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.439 it's easy to kind of tap into it an athletics 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.680 or the athletes brain to push them to be something 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.920 better than what they were yesterday. So let's take a 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.280 quick break to think our partner for wellness. 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Professional tennis had they had coaches, they had 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.800 hitting partners, they had to have people looking after their bodies, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.440 they had to have strength and conditioning stuff like that. 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:55.800 So obviously, basketball, football, baseball, hockey, old of the big 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:57.760 you know, team sports that we have here in the 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.400 US all have straight and conditioning people. They all have 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.640 recovery people and stuff like that. But I think now 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:06.200 more than ever, I mean, if you look at the 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.559 two guys that you both work with. From you you're 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.319 working with Justin Thomas Colby, and and and Joey you're 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.960 working with DJ, I mean they both have they both 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:17.080 have big teams of people around them. And um, you know, 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.160 one of the things that we've talked about in the past, Um, 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.680 the guys that you know, Greg Rose and Dave Phillips 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.559 at at the Titles performances at t p I, they 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:29.520 were kind of the first real people that made having 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:33.079 a team become part of the lexicon of what golfers 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.080 and and and people in the Gulf Spate did. Obviously, 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:38.760 you two guys have always known that you needed a 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:43.040 team of people around you. But I think now, um, 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.680 you have to have strength and conditioning. You have to 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.680 have recovery, you have to have nutrition, you have to 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.280 have all of it. Um, why do you think golf 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.760 took so long to get to the place that it 0:11:55.880 --> 0:12:00.520 is now. Fear? They were afraid. They were fearful, and 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.920 they didn't know enough about you know, the importance of 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.920 how the moving body, human body moves and transference of 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.400 you know, certain modalities and the things that you know 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.000 challenge them on a daily basis. Think about Think about 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.520 you as an instructor and you watching it over decades 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.600 from your grandfather and your dad to you now being 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.440 one of the you know, greatest instructors, and you working 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.360 with some of the greatest players you know, and you 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:25.520 support what Colby and I do because we are all 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.520 three have been on the same team for a while. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:29.640 So when you look at what it really takes for 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.680 these guys to, you know, get to the point where 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.600 you get them on the range. Our job is to 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.880 get their bodies prepared to say these are the things like, hey, 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.160 let's say DJ or j T wasn't they weren't loading 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.760 in there, and and and you know, their their right 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.480 side and and they couldn't feel where their heel was 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.400 versus their toe, or their their hip wasn't moving properly, 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.360 they couldn't clear their hips, and you know, all these 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.480 things start to happen and create you know, these adverse 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.560 effects and you have to manage yourself as a as 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.160 an instructor. But we have the opportunity to work with 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.200 you and these players to take the fear away and 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.760 say you gotta trust it because it can be uncomfortable. 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.480 You know, it can make them, you know, because feel 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.640 is a big part of what professional golfers rely on. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.200 Would you agree with that? Yeah? I mean, I think 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.800 just the dynamic of the sport in general has changed 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.080 so much over the years to like becoming more like 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:22.120 a power and a speed sport almost right, it's explosive, 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.920 it's dynamic, it's all these different things where you see 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.079 a lot of that in your other sports like football 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.720 and baseball. And I think it was more like we 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.960 said earlier, it was more like taboo, like you didn't 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:33.760 you didn't need to do all that. You just need 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.120 to go out there and get it out of the 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:36.679 dirt and do all this stuff like that. But what 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.400 happens is like what we're doing now, I think it's 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.680 you know, it's an individual sport. They're realizing that their 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.079 bodies are their vehicle. Like the club doesn't moved to 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:46.880 you pick it up. So if you don't think it 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.800 has to do with how your body function, how moves 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.320 and specific planes dynamically, I mean factually, like we can 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.680 have that conversation forever. You know what I mean. So 0:13:55.320 --> 0:14:00.280 for me, Um, it's just understanding where what we're trying 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.120 to do. Like if I have an athlete or that 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.280 I'm working with you with an athlete and you say, hey, 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.559 he can't do X, Y and Z, if I can 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:08.880 address that in a gym, then I can bring him 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:10.640 back to you. Then now you can do what would 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:12.480 you do so good? Yeah, I mean I think from 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.080 an instruction standpoint. Um, you know I never really thought 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:20.600 about you know, growing up when I was was giving lessons, Um, 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:22.920 I never really thought about how the body worked and 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.600 how the body moved. And you know, like I said, 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:30.240 I think now through a lot of the stuff that 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.840 you guys are doing and and golf fitness is now 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:35.920 part of it. When I look at a player now 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.440 and say listen, the player isn't able to do this, 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.320 He can't do that in the past. I just think 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:45.880 of it in terms of where my golf brain would be, right, well, 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.920 let's just do this now. I immediately start to think, Okay, 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.640 why can't he load into his right side correct? Why 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.320 can't he do this? Why does his body um do that? 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:03.040 What influence? I mean, Tiger had such a huge influence 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:04.760 on the game of golf. But I think from a 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:10.000 fitness standpoint. You know, I was around Tiger from when 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.240 he was sixteen years old. He had speed. He didn't 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.200 know why he had speed, he just had natural speed. 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.320 I remember my dad. The first lesson my dad gave 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:23.640 two Tiger Woods was in August. At that time when 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.760 my dad was working with Greg Norman. Gregg had just 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.240 won the Open Championship, gone back to number one in 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:31.440 the world. Greg hit the golf ball further than anybody 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.960 back then, and then we see the sixteen year old 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.400 kid who his the way he's you know, Greg, if 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.920 you remember, had a lot of lateral motion to it, 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.000 and I think a lot of the old school golfers 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.560 they did have a lot of that lateral move It 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:50.800 was more kind of load. It wasn't a lot of rotation. Um. 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.760 The impetus back in the day was all on accuracy, right, 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.000 it was how many fairways can you hit? How many 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:58.600 greens you can hit. I mean you look at a 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.840 guy like Nick Faldo, who Nick Faldo is bigger than DJ. Right, 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.320 he's a big guy. Faldo in the day hit it 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.720 nowhere because the game wasn't about that, right, The game 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:11.680 was about accuracy. So Tiger comes on the scene, his 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:15.920 body worked. I remember just watching my dad thinking, you know, 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.080 he's he's working with Greg Norman at that time, Tiger 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:24.160 sixteen years old. It was like looking at something that 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:28.000 was a completely different, like a completely different shade of 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:31.040 a color, like I've never even seen that, that color 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.400 of red, I've never seen it. And the way his 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.200 body moved um and then all of the things that 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.880 he did physically right, it was like a light was 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:45.120 shining on him when he was hitting balls that wasn't 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.880 on anyone else. Then he transformed his body. I remember 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:50.680 my dad was trying to get him to hit the 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:55.360 little knockdown with a nine iron and they were getting 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.560 ready to go to the British Open, and he's just listen, 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.120 you gotta bring your ball flight down. You gotta bring 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:03.280 your ball flight down. This is like, and Tiger said, 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.119 could I do that with a driver? And my dad said, 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:09.320 I mean, I just don't think you could do it 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:13.040 with a driver. And then like five minutes later they're 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.520 hitting balls and my dad said, you know what, you 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.280 could do it with a driver. You just have to 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:23.280 completely change your body to be able to control you 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.240 trying to shut the follow through off. And he's like, 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:28.200 you're not strong enough to do that. And that was 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.600 really right around the time that Tiger's bodies changed. How 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.960 how much do you think the modern day golfer from 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:40.199 the fitness standpoint? Ohs to Tiger for coming in and 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:45.040 making golf seem like a sport. He's the most validatable 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.360 athlete I've ever seen in a most complicated sport I've 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.159 ever been around. So if Tiger says it, he did it, 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.400 there's no questions asked. They can question him, but you 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.600 can't like say to yourself that he didn't accomplish all 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:01.560 the things that you were just referencing with your dad, 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.960 Like if you challenged him, and I still think till 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.880 this day, like Golby Wayne can say it better than anybody, 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.479 Like you challenge him and he'll do it like he 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.359 will always always get it when you agree, like you 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.119 always talk about it. He is still till this day. 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.160 He is the He is the he. He is the 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:23.280 one who you have to look at because he continuously 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:28.159 redefines the laws of gravity, physics, aging, everything. Wouldn't you 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.640 not agree with it? Yeah? I mean we're just going 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.639 back to all this stuff. I mean he was a unicorn, right, 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:34.760 I mean he still is. I mean it's like he 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:40.280 the work ethic, the training everything, like all those things 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:44.240 today and to speed because like you're gonna have twitchy guys, right, 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.359 You're gonna have all those things. But then it goes 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.000 into from a training concept, but we have to do 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.080 and we have to deal with is Okay, we have 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.240 someone doing that. What that body is only gonna have 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.680 so many swings. So now when you look at it 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.360 from a training and a modality standpoint, Okay, how can 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:03.600 we build enough stability to handle that speed over and 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.360 over and over again? And that's where we become. That's 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.560 where we come in and try create that that system 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:11.879 to allow you to be able to do it. That's 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.240 why you see all the soft tissue injuries and stuff 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.560 in sports, and its golf is no, no, exception, like 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:19.639 you've got so much speed that you're trying to do 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.040 and if that hips not stable, then you're gonna have 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.200 something going on with the labor, right or if you 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:25.920 got the shoulders are gonna do if you're throwing it 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.160 from top. That's why I got golfer's elbow and tennis elbow, 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.080 like all those violent moves over and over and over again, 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:36.280 because it is a constant golf is you're in one place, correct, 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:40.840 You're doing a repetitive motion over and over and over 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:45.040 and over. Whereas other sports, you know, basketball pictures probably 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:49.320 have the same type thing, but in contact sports, yes, 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:51.439 they're doing the same thing over, but the game is 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:55.719 constantly changing. Yeah, And what happens is is if you 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.960 so the only thing that protects a joint is muscle 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.800 and strung inst ability. So you can be really worry, 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.439 but how long is the body going to hold up? 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:07.640 You know? If you take perfect examples. Where I met 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:09.600 Justin Thomas was a hundred forty two pounts. He walks 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:12.320 around at one seventy eight. Now, because when I met him, 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.360