Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to
Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This week's guests, UM two guys that
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to have on the podcast for a
Speaker 1: while now, Joey d and Colby Tellier. Um there, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty biased, but I think there are two of
Speaker 1: the best people in the Gulf fitness space. UM. I'm
Speaker 1: lucky enough to work on the same team with them
Speaker 1: with a bunch of different players. And UM, I have
Speaker 1: known both of them for quite some time, and like
Speaker 1: I said, I think they're I think they're the best
Speaker 1: in the business. That's why they work with the best players. UM.
Speaker 1: The best players in the world entrust them to help
Speaker 1: them with all of their golf fitness and it's interesting
Speaker 1: to to talk to both of them to talk about
Speaker 1: how far golf fitness has come and you know where
Speaker 1: it is. But I don't think there's anyone inside the
Speaker 1: top ten, top fifteen, even top twenty five in the
Speaker 1: world that doesn't have people like them look after their fitness.
Speaker 1: And UM, you know, I think when you look at
Speaker 1: the gains that that players have made. UM, you know,
Speaker 1: a guy like Matt Fitzpatrick who has really really kind
Speaker 1: of changed UM, how he trains, UM, how he goes
Speaker 1: about trying to get distant speed and power. And that's
Speaker 1: something that I think everybody's trying to do UM day
Speaker 1: in and day out. You know, when I give golf lessons,
Speaker 1: people are always saying, listen, you need to get more speed,
Speaker 1: need to get more power, and so UM. Having an
Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to Joey and Colby about UM, what
Speaker 1: they do, their opinions on on on golf fitness and
Speaker 1: kind of you know, the direction players should go in
Speaker 1: and the direction they should try and avoid. So I'm
Speaker 1: excited for everyone to take a listen, So sit back
Speaker 1: and enjoy the interview. So boys, uh, hang the banner.
Speaker 1: The new book is out. UM, talk to me, what
Speaker 1: was the impetus in doing the book? Why did you
Speaker 1: guys want to do books? I mean, everybody you know
Speaker 1: is doing stuff, but what was the I mean, I
Speaker 1: know from coming into the academy here in the gym
Speaker 1: that anytime a player wins the tournament, you guys hang
Speaker 1: these big banners and UM, talk to me about what
Speaker 1: was the reason behind and why you guys wanted to
Speaker 1: do the book. I think the reason behind hanging the
Speaker 1: banner was there was an opportunity as the you know,
Speaker 1: topic of golf fitness has finally evolved, and I think
Speaker 1: people understand it better than ever than Colby and I
Speaker 1: felt collaboration between the two of us because we were
Speaker 1: like minded. I believe in everything he does and I
Speaker 1: supported and I think he is the very best of
Speaker 1: what he does. And you know, I believe that people
Speaker 1: still till this day have had a little bit of
Speaker 1: a challenge to understand what does golf fitness mean? You know.
Speaker 1: Hang the banner was basically a testimony to the players
Speaker 1: that come through these doors, that work with coach k
Speaker 1: Wayne and I and our personal methodologies and there um,
Speaker 1: you know, put up on on how they believe it
Speaker 1: benefits them. So yeah, hanging banner. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: couldn't agree more. Um, I probably started a hashtag like
Speaker 1: six years ago. So I mean, to me, it was
Speaker 1: cool because like you see the end of the tournament,
Speaker 1: right they win, they hold a trophy, and there was
Speaker 1: there was so much work that's put in, you know, um,
Speaker 1: and it was just an opportunity to kind of pay
Speaker 1: homage to them, like to celebrate their victory, their work
Speaker 1: at all work paid off. It was kind of like
Speaker 1: the Boston going you're walking in you see all these
Speaker 1: banners up there. Um, So it was it was an
Speaker 1: opportunity for us to really like bring it to the forefront.
Speaker 1: And then when the book came along, Um, we were
Speaker 1: just kind of brainstorming and talking about if there's something
Speaker 1: that we'd want to do, and we were like, man,
Speaker 1: we should just call it hanging a banner, and we
Speaker 1: should like really talk about and give our athletes an
Speaker 1: opportunity to be able to give us some insight, because
Speaker 1: I mean, that's really what the book means the most
Speaker 1: to me about is that every lead we asked to
Speaker 1: take part in it, Um, they didn't even hesitate, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and through the years of being here, and
Speaker 1: which isn't always easy to do because you have I mean,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times we're on the other
Speaker 1: side of this. We're not players we work for We
Speaker 1: work for athletes, we work for golfers. Um. There's always
Speaker 1: that fine line of you know we do I mean,
Speaker 1: we give our lives to these guys, right. We we
Speaker 1: spend more time with these players, you know, traveling all
Speaker 1: over the world, and sometimes we spend with our own
Speaker 1: families but it's always that thing that whenever you want
Speaker 1: to ask them to do something, does the agent want
Speaker 1: to get involved? Wa Wi? I mean you know this.
Speaker 1: So the fact that everybody bought in I think it
Speaker 1: is as estimate to the way they feel about the book,
Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, I mean, And and it was great
Speaker 1: because like, I don't think I would have wanted to
Speaker 1: write the book. I don't think we want to do
Speaker 1: it if we didn't have an opportunity to put them
Speaker 1: in it, you know, because it was just it's a
Speaker 1: testament to the hard work that we've put in from
Speaker 1: from day in and day out and over the years
Speaker 1: and twenty plus years that we've been trying to do
Speaker 1: it and perfect our craft. Um. It was just an
Speaker 1: opportunity to kind of include everybody in the journey and
Speaker 1: just kind of give the viewers or the reader, uh
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see the work that's put in the
Speaker 1: transference from the exercise selection on how it creates the
Speaker 1: program and how we create specific programs for Pacific specific
Speaker 1: athletes and how their body moves and how we can
Speaker 1: create uh some synergistic mythology of training to have transference
Speaker 1: into their sport. Um everybody. I mean, obviously you guys
Speaker 1: worked with some of the best golfers in the world.
Speaker 1: But I want to go back to the beginning. How
Speaker 1: did how did you guys get into fitness, because I mean,
Speaker 1: whenever I talk to instructors, I'm always interested about their
Speaker 1: road kind of too golf instruction. Why did they get
Speaker 1: into it with a players and stuff like that. Joey,
Speaker 1: we'll we'll start with you. I mean, how did you
Speaker 1: become interested in fitness? I mean, was it always something
Speaker 1: that was a part of your life? It was ingrained
Speaker 1: in me. You know, my dad was an instructor on
Speaker 1: the weekends back in the day at the police Academy
Speaker 1: after we get out of the military, and he was
Speaker 1: a very well accomplished you know, uh in martial arts
Speaker 1: and disciplines, and he that he was one of the
Speaker 1: early adapters in the New York City Police Department to
Speaker 1: start uh the academy for uh the incoming rookies in
Speaker 1: the NYPD, and that you know, we spent you know,
Speaker 1: at least one week in a month in New York
Speaker 1: City growing up in that environment. So it was instilled
Speaker 1: early on. And then my dad played golf with his
Speaker 1: buddies that they had a Saturday game, and you know,
Speaker 1: that was always cool to be a part of the golf.
Speaker 1: And I think I've always, you know, been intrigued by
Speaker 1: why golf wasn't something that we saw. And you saw
Speaker 1: this growing up, probably more than any of us in
Speaker 1: this room right now. I mean, you're your heritage is
Speaker 1: the most famous and and it's the most interesting. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you could say to validate what Colby and
Speaker 1: I say that it was a tough journey to get
Speaker 1: these golfers to adapt. I mean you look back a
Speaker 1: decade plus ago, two decades that we weren't even allowed.
Speaker 1: Like your dad would remember once looked at me like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You don't blow out here, like
Speaker 1: I don't like different like you don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: And that was that was cool because I think inherently,
Speaker 1: back in the day, you're in the fifties, sixties and seventies,
Speaker 1: golf and getting big and getting any sort of muscle
Speaker 1: was bad for you because that wasn't kind of part
Speaker 1: of what players did. They didn't understand it. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was taboo back then. I mean if you touched the weight,
Speaker 1: they would ruin your golf swing. Basically you come colbe
Speaker 1: not from necessarily the golf background, but more from a
Speaker 1: team sport background. Yeah, team sport background, and also fitness
Speaker 1: was was born into me, you know, like I was.
Speaker 1: I was challenged at an early age, born with uh
Speaker 1: substantial birth effect to learn how to walk five times
Speaker 1: in my life, you know, like did the whole bars
Speaker 1: as far as gum braces, did the whole thing, and
Speaker 1: I had a seven percent chance I'd never walked, I'd
Speaker 1: be in a wheelchair. So that I fell in love
Speaker 1: with how the human body moved at a very very
Speaker 1: young age because it was part of my life for
Speaker 1: me to be able to function as a human, I
Speaker 1: had to really established and have to create kind of
Speaker 1: like perfect habits for me to be able to just
Speaker 1: live a life worth living almost um. But then from
Speaker 1: there I just kind of grew into me UM and
Speaker 1: then I got involved in more team athletic sports and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I was always you know with my predisposition.
Speaker 1: I was always in the gym. I was always trying
Speaker 1: to get better. I was working on things that would
Speaker 1: be after surgery if I was trying to accomplish specific goals.
Speaker 1: So it was just kind of ingraining to me. So,
Speaker 1: and when I got into the fitness world as a profession,
Speaker 1: you know it, it was easy for me to kind
Speaker 1: of cross over into try to make people better because
Speaker 1: you know, when you live in a in a position
Speaker 1: where you're trying to get one or two better each
Speaker 1: day and in dealing with some pain and stuff like,
Speaker 1: it's easy to kind of tap into it an athletics
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Speaker 1: the interview. Do you think in two there is more
Speaker 1: of a from a golf standpoint, that the golfers are
Speaker 1: starting to be kind of more like tennis players have
Speaker 1: been for a long time with teams of people around them,
Speaker 1: because it is an individual sport, right, And I think
Speaker 1: one of the earlier adopters to the team concept was
Speaker 1: professional tennis. Professional tennis had they had coaches, they had
Speaker 1: hitting partners, they had to have people looking after their bodies,
Speaker 1: they had to have strength and conditioning stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So obviously, basketball, football, baseball, hockey, old of the big
Speaker 1: you know, team sports that we have here in the
Speaker 1: US all have straight and conditioning people. They all have
Speaker 1: recovery people and stuff like that. But I think now
Speaker 1: more than ever, I mean, if you look at the
Speaker 1: two guys that you both work with. From you you're
Speaker 1: working with Justin Thomas Colby, and and and Joey you're
Speaker 1: working with DJ, I mean they both have they both
Speaker 1: have big teams of people around them. And um, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the things that we've talked about in the past, Um,
Speaker 1: the guys that you know, Greg Rose and Dave Phillips
Speaker 1: at at the Titles performances at t p I, they
Speaker 1: were kind of the first real people that made having
Speaker 1: a team become part of the lexicon of what golfers
Speaker 1: and and and people in the Gulf Spate did. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you two guys have always known that you needed a
Speaker 1: team of people around you. But I think now, um,
Speaker 1: you have to have strength and conditioning. You have to
Speaker 1: have recovery, you have to have nutrition, you have to
Speaker 1: have all of it. Um, why do you think golf
Speaker 1: took so long to get to the place that it
Speaker 1: is now. Fear? They were afraid. They were fearful, and
Speaker 1: they didn't know enough about you know, the importance of
Speaker 1: how the moving body, human body moves and transference of
Speaker 1: you know, certain modalities and the things that you know
Speaker 1: challenge them on a daily basis. Think about Think about
Speaker 1: you as an instructor and you watching it over decades
Speaker 1: from your grandfather and your dad to you now being
Speaker 1: one of the you know, greatest instructors, and you working
Speaker 1: with some of the greatest players you know, and you
Speaker 1: support what Colby and I do because we are all
Speaker 1: three have been on the same team for a while.
Speaker 1: So when you look at what it really takes for
Speaker 1: these guys to, you know, get to the point where
Speaker 1: you get them on the range. Our job is to
Speaker 1: get their bodies prepared to say these are the things like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's say DJ or j T wasn't they weren't loading
Speaker 1: in there, and and and you know, their their right
Speaker 1: side and and they couldn't feel where their heel was
Speaker 1: versus their toe, or their their hip wasn't moving properly,
Speaker 1: they couldn't clear their hips, and you know, all these
Speaker 1: things start to happen and create you know, these adverse
Speaker 1: effects and you have to manage yourself as a as
Speaker 1: an instructor. But we have the opportunity to work with
Speaker 1: you and these players to take the fear away and
Speaker 1: say you gotta trust it because it can be uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: You know, it can make them, you know, because feel
Speaker 1: is a big part of what professional golfers rely on.
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Yeah? I mean, I think
Speaker 1: just the dynamic of the sport in general has changed
Speaker 1: so much over the years to like becoming more like
Speaker 1: a power and a speed sport almost right, it's explosive,
Speaker 1: it's dynamic, it's all these different things where you see
Speaker 1: a lot of that in your other sports like football
Speaker 1: and baseball. And I think it was more like we
Speaker 1: said earlier, it was more like taboo, like you didn't
Speaker 1: you didn't need to do all that. You just need
Speaker 1: to go out there and get it out of the
Speaker 1: dirt and do all this stuff like that. But what
Speaker 1: happens is like what we're doing now, I think it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's an individual sport. They're realizing that their
Speaker 1: bodies are their vehicle. Like the club doesn't moved to
Speaker 1: you pick it up. So if you don't think it
Speaker 1: has to do with how your body function, how moves
Speaker 1: and specific planes dynamically, I mean factually, like we can
Speaker 1: have that conversation forever. You know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: for me, Um, it's just understanding where what we're trying
Speaker 1: to do. Like if I have an athlete or that
Speaker 1: I'm working with you with an athlete and you say, hey,
Speaker 1: he can't do X, Y and Z, if I can
Speaker 1: address that in a gym, then I can bring him
Speaker 1: back to you. Then now you can do what would
Speaker 1: you do so good? Yeah, I mean I think from
Speaker 1: an instruction standpoint. Um, you know I never really thought
Speaker 1: about you know, growing up when I was was giving lessons, Um,
Speaker 1: I never really thought about how the body worked and
Speaker 1: how the body moved. And you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: I think now through a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 1: you guys are doing and and golf fitness is now
Speaker 1: part of it. When I look at a player now
Speaker 1: and say listen, the player isn't able to do this,
Speaker 1: He can't do that in the past. I just think
Speaker 1: of it in terms of where my golf brain would be, right, well,
Speaker 1: let's just do this now. I immediately start to think, Okay,
Speaker 1: why can't he load into his right side correct? Why
Speaker 1: can't he do this? Why does his body um do that?
Speaker 1: What influence? I mean, Tiger had such a huge influence
Speaker 1: on the game of golf. But I think from a
Speaker 1: fitness standpoint. You know, I was around Tiger from when
Speaker 1: he was sixteen years old. He had speed. He didn't
Speaker 1: know why he had speed, he just had natural speed.
Speaker 1: I remember my dad. The first lesson my dad gave
Speaker 1: two Tiger Woods was in August. At that time when
Speaker 1: my dad was working with Greg Norman. Gregg had just
Speaker 1: won the Open Championship, gone back to number one in
Speaker 1: the world. Greg hit the golf ball further than anybody
Speaker 1: back then, and then we see the sixteen year old
Speaker 1: kid who his the way he's you know, Greg, if
Speaker 1: you remember, had a lot of lateral motion to it,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of the old school golfers
Speaker 1: they did have a lot of that lateral move It
Speaker 1: was more kind of load. It wasn't a lot of rotation. Um.
Speaker 1: The impetus back in the day was all on accuracy, right,
Speaker 1: it was how many fairways can you hit? How many
Speaker 1: greens you can hit. I mean you look at a
Speaker 1: guy like Nick Faldo, who Nick Faldo is bigger than DJ. Right,
Speaker 1: he's a big guy. Faldo in the day hit it
Speaker 1: nowhere because the game wasn't about that, right, The game
Speaker 1: was about accuracy. So Tiger comes on the scene, his
Speaker 1: body worked. I remember just watching my dad thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's working with Greg Norman at that time, Tiger
Speaker 1: sixteen years old. It was like looking at something that
Speaker 1: was a completely different, like a completely different shade of
Speaker 1: a color, like I've never even seen that, that color
Speaker 1: of red, I've never seen it. And the way his
Speaker 1: body moved um and then all of the things that
Speaker 1: he did physically right, it was like a light was
Speaker 1: shining on him when he was hitting balls that wasn't
Speaker 1: on anyone else. Then he transformed his body. I remember
Speaker 1: my dad was trying to get him to hit the
Speaker 1: little knockdown with a nine iron and they were getting
Speaker 1: ready to go to the British Open, and he's just listen,
Speaker 1: you gotta bring your ball flight down. You gotta bring
Speaker 1: your ball flight down. This is like, and Tiger said,
Speaker 1: could I do that with a driver? And my dad said,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't think you could do it
Speaker 1: with a driver. And then like five minutes later they're
Speaker 1: hitting balls and my dad said, you know what, you
Speaker 1: could do it with a driver. You just have to
Speaker 1: completely change your body to be able to control you
Speaker 1: trying to shut the follow through off. And he's like,
Speaker 1: you're not strong enough to do that. And that was
Speaker 1: really right around the time that Tiger's bodies changed. How
Speaker 1: how much do you think the modern day golfer from
Speaker 1: the fitness standpoint? Ohs to Tiger for coming in and
Speaker 1: making golf seem like a sport. He's the most validatable
Speaker 1: athlete I've ever seen in a most complicated sport I've
Speaker 1: ever been around. So if Tiger says it, he did it,
Speaker 1: there's no questions asked. They can question him, but you
Speaker 1: can't like say to yourself that he didn't accomplish all
Speaker 1: the things that you were just referencing with your dad,
Speaker 1: Like if you challenged him, and I still think till
Speaker 1: this day, like Golby Wayne can say it better than anybody,
Speaker 1: Like you challenge him and he'll do it like he
Speaker 1: will always always get it when you agree, like you
Speaker 1: always talk about it. He is still till this day.
Speaker 1: He is the He is the he. He is the
Speaker 1: one who you have to look at because he continuously
Speaker 1: redefines the laws of gravity, physics, aging, everything. Wouldn't you
Speaker 1: not agree with it? Yeah? I mean we're just going
Speaker 1: back to all this stuff. I mean he was a unicorn, right,
Speaker 1: I mean he still is. I mean it's like he
Speaker 1: the work ethic, the training everything, like all those things
Speaker 1: today and to speed because like you're gonna have twitchy guys, right,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have all those things. But then it goes
Speaker 1: into from a training concept, but we have to do
Speaker 1: and we have to deal with is Okay, we have
Speaker 1: someone doing that. What that body is only gonna have
Speaker 1: so many swings. So now when you look at it
Speaker 1: from a training and a modality standpoint, Okay, how can
Speaker 1: we build enough stability to handle that speed over and
Speaker 1: over and over again? And that's where we become. That's
Speaker 1: where we come in and try create that that system
Speaker 1: to allow you to be able to do it. That's
Speaker 1: why you see all the soft tissue injuries and stuff
Speaker 1: in sports, and its golf is no, no, exception, like
Speaker 1: you've got so much speed that you're trying to do
Speaker 1: and if that hips not stable, then you're gonna have
Speaker 1: something going on with the labor, right or if you
Speaker 1: got the shoulders are gonna do if you're throwing it
Speaker 1: from top. That's why I got golfer's elbow and tennis elbow,
Speaker 1: like all those violent moves over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: because it is a constant golf is you're in one place, correct,
Speaker 1: You're doing a repetitive motion over and over and over
Speaker 1: and over. Whereas other sports, you know, basketball pictures probably
Speaker 1: have the same type thing, but in contact sports, yes,
Speaker 1: they're doing the same thing over, but the game is
Speaker 1: constantly changing. Yeah, And what happens is is if you
Speaker 1: so the only thing that protects a joint is muscle
Speaker 1: and strung inst ability. So you can be really worry,
Speaker 1: but how long is the body going to hold up?
Speaker 1: You know? If you take perfect examples. Where I met
Speaker 1: Justin Thomas was a hundred forty two pounts. He walks
Speaker 1: around at one seventy eight. Now, because when I met him,
Speaker 1: he had speed, he was he had all the check
Speaker 1: he checked all the boxes. But in my mind, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: how can we create a path for longevity of success.
Speaker 1: And that's training, that's building more muscle around the joints,
Speaker 1: doing those things. The other thing I think in the
Speaker 1: athletic world that you guys live in the non golf world,
Speaker 1: the the athletic world, whether whatever disciplined it is, everybody's jacked, right.
Speaker 1: All the athletes are like, you know, you walk into
Speaker 1: a locker room in the NFL, the wide receivers look
Speaker 1: the way they look, the running backs looked the way
Speaker 1: they looked, the lineman, everybody, and then you get freakish
Speaker 1: athletes megatron. I remember going to Atlanta. I was down
Speaker 1: on the field with my dad and Arthur Blank, the
Speaker 1: owner of the Falcons, and um Julio Jones walked past
Speaker 1: me on the field in paths and I was like,
Speaker 1: he looked completely different than all the other wide receivers. Right.
Speaker 1: You see some running backs that are just very different.
Speaker 1: I think Tiger was the first person from a golf
Speaker 1: standpoint to where the workout and the physical transformation of
Speaker 1: his body also had such a mental effect on everybody else.
Speaker 1: Because you've got all these people in the early two
Speaker 1: thousand's where not a lot of people are working out,
Speaker 1: not a lot of people are putting in the time
Speaker 1: and everything, and all of a sudden, Tiger shows up
Speaker 1: in two thousand. He's totally jacked. He's I mean physically,
Speaker 1: you can see that he's stronger than everybody else. That
Speaker 1: mental that was another thing that him bringing fitness to
Speaker 1: golf did to where all of a sudden people were
Speaker 1: just like, because I physically can't compete with that, and
Speaker 1: they thought so. I remember Chris de Marco walking on
Speaker 1: the range once and and you know that that that
Speaker 1: was a famous masters, right, and I was going with
Speaker 1: Chris back then, and he actually said things like everybody's
Speaker 1: competing from second to whatever place you're going to finish.
Speaker 1: Because he was unbeautiabule in their minds, they feared him,
Speaker 1: and I think his physicality was something that they still
Speaker 1: couldn't get their heads around. Right, that was a natural gift.
Speaker 1: But as Colby will say till this day, he will
Speaker 1: outwork anybody and I and I agree with him. I
Speaker 1: agree with that, Like you know, you have to be
Speaker 1: able to to persevere. Uh, Like Colby said, you only
Speaker 1: have so many swings before the body naturally breaks down.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to you know, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't like to use the word prehability, but you've
Speaker 1: got to prepare the body for the natural breakdown of
Speaker 1: how many hundreds of thousands to a million plus swings
Speaker 1: you're gonna make and then it breaks. You gotta prepare
Speaker 1: to body for the demand that you're gonna place on it.
Speaker 1: And to me, that all happens in the gym. I
Speaker 1: mean you have to train. You have to train it
Speaker 1: like and that's what I try to tell these leads.
Speaker 1: I do too, Like if I'm trying an athlete, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to bring you to the deepest part of the
Speaker 1: ocean and you've got to find your way out of it, like,
Speaker 1: and that's how we train, and we train that way.
Speaker 1: Then if you get in a high pressure situation, is
Speaker 1: high pressure back nine with a two shot lead, and
Speaker 1: your heart rate wants to spike up on you. We've
Speaker 1: been there before, so from a central nervous system and
Speaker 1: us in a neuromuscular system, you've been there and you've
Speaker 1: adapted to that stress. So that stress you're gonna fell
Speaker 1: on Sunday at that heart rate wants to spike up
Speaker 1: and instead of bugging out like You're gonna flatline, You're
Speaker 1: gonna be perfect because your body can handle the stress.
Speaker 1: The stress is that has being placed on you from
Speaker 1: that type of demand, Like your body can handle it
Speaker 1: and process it fast. Joe, you I mean you work
Speaker 1: with Dustin Johnson, who is a freak athlete, right, he
Speaker 1: can DJ can do anything anything anything, So training that
Speaker 1: whole physicality, all of suff that comes, that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of part of his DNA COB A kid like j T.
Speaker 1: You know, justin Thomas he said he's put on thirty
Speaker 1: pounds of muscle. Now, you coming from your your work
Speaker 1: with the LSU football program, you know that a Division
Speaker 1: one lineman in the NFL first round draft pick, how
Speaker 1: much they're gonna put to play in the NFL. He
Speaker 1: needs to gain probably twenty to thirty pounds to be
Speaker 1: able to compete with the people that he's going at.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that JT has put on thirty pounds. I
Speaker 1: don't think the average person watching them on TV realizes
Speaker 1: that golfers now that are of that frame. You know,
Speaker 1: DJ is blessed with genetics, right but he but still
Speaker 1: even he if you look at him when he first
Speaker 1: came on tour to look at him at his you
Speaker 1: know it, where he is at a prime or he
Speaker 1: is a muscular like athletic specimen. And I think that.
Speaker 1: But the genetics for DJ health four did help long levers,
Speaker 1: long arms, long have hyper mobile JT doesn't have them.
Speaker 1: So that's why the gym is so important for someone.
Speaker 1: You take someone who has someone like JTS. He's not
Speaker 1: six whatever. DJ is, so like he's got to get
Speaker 1: every he's got to optimize everything in his body to
Speaker 1: go out there and compete against those guys. Because from
Speaker 1: like you said, from a genetic standpoint, he's not six six,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to leave us in a level. So
Speaker 1: he's got to find a way to get it from
Speaker 1: somewhere else, to create more speed, to have that power
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So to me, that's just another
Speaker 1: testament to how much work he puts on the jim.
Speaker 1: He takes somebody Lucas Glover that's in his forties and
Speaker 1: he has his best year and his forties, and he
Speaker 1: did when he won the US Open, you know, and
Speaker 1: wherever whenever, he one and the best became number one
Speaker 1: in the world at So those kind of those kind
Speaker 1: of modalities where you say Okay, this is where we
Speaker 1: are now. Now we need to do X, Y and
Speaker 1: Z for you to be able to continue to compete
Speaker 1: at this level. So let's take a short break and
Speaker 1: we will be back right after this. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get back to the interview. Sure, we've heard you talk
Speaker 1: about the four pillars of strength, balance, stability, power, and velocity.
Speaker 1: Right when we're looking at those for for golfers, um,
Speaker 1: both competitive golfers and the average golfers. Out of out
Speaker 1: of those four things, what's for everyone listening that that's
Speaker 1: trying to get better at golf? Right, what's the low
Speaker 1: hanging fruit for you from those four pillars? Right? Give
Speaker 1: me something you feel is like an easy balance, easy stability,
Speaker 1: something from a power stuff. Because I think people think, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to try and hit it further. Everybody's trying
Speaker 1: to hit the golf ball further, want to get more distance,
Speaker 1: want to get more power. The recreational golfers trying to
Speaker 1: do that. But then the people that you work with
Speaker 1: at the competitive level, they're trying to make those gains too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'd love to borrow you know, my partners.
Speaker 1: Uh statement is it's easy to get strong, right, so strength,
Speaker 1: you know, that's not something that I think is the challenge.
Speaker 1: I think to understand mobility and stability and and those
Speaker 1: are the things that you have to be able to
Speaker 1: first understand. You know, the term, if we're gonna get technical,
Speaker 1: is anatomical neutral and that's that's the strongest point of
Speaker 1: the human body. Right, So when you stand up over
Speaker 1: the golf ball, if Colby came up and his player
Speaker 1: was was in the strongest point out address, or you
Speaker 1: know how driver in his hand almost like a cat
Speaker 1: that you dig the claws in the carpet, you try
Speaker 1: to pull the cat out. They feel that power from
Speaker 1: the ground up, right. But then you know, to create
Speaker 1: the ability to rotate, because there's a rotational sport, you've
Speaker 1: got to have mobility, right, So flexibility is one thing,
Speaker 1: mobility is another thing. And then ultimately you you were
Speaker 1: asked this question more than Colby, and I think, coach,
Speaker 1: how do we get more speed? And I guarantee you
Speaker 1: c h I've heard it, you know time and time
Speaker 1: again being with you for years. People the biggest thing
Speaker 1: they want is more speed. So you have to create
Speaker 1: the foul foundation or those pillars of strength to be
Speaker 1: able to ultimately get the body to respond to all
Speaker 1: those things. So if you're asking me, you know, where
Speaker 1: does it start. I saw Kobe working with somebody yesterday
Speaker 1: who I was enamored with, which is his young rookie.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna end up with Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1: And I was so impressed because he talked to me
Speaker 1: afterwards and and he's a baseball player and he said
Speaker 1: to me, I said, how was it today? And we
Speaker 1: were in that parking lot and he said, hey, coach,
Speaker 1: come on over. He was coach k Wayne kicked my
Speaker 1: ass because I didn't even know things like that could
Speaker 1: be that difficult. And I watched one of their training
Speaker 1: sessions and here's this unbelievable powerhouse and he's doing things
Speaker 1: that the guy never even realized, which you would think, well,
Speaker 1: he should be able to do that effortlessly. You remember
Speaker 1: the workout the other day. So what would you say,
Speaker 1: like the explanation or the answer with a clause? Thing?
Speaker 1: Is I like it best through Brendan because I love
Speaker 1: what you did. Yeah, I mean when you're trying to
Speaker 1: because the same things. Just like a golf he's trying
Speaker 1: to create more. He wants to hit the ball harder,
Speaker 1: saying with a golfer. So for me, it's okay, we
Speaker 1: can get stronger to an extent, But now, how does
Speaker 1: the brain correlate speed? And the only way you can
Speaker 1: correlate speed with the brain is you gotta train it faster.
Speaker 1: You gotta train the brain to move fast. You gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta teach. If I'm trying to go across the midline,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go as fast and ballistic as I
Speaker 1: can across the midline, over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: as fast as you can. And the crazy thing is
Speaker 1: is I'll put him in a position to where all
Speaker 1: he has to do is take a band that's anchored
Speaker 1: opposite of him, parallel to him, and he's got to
Speaker 1: rip it across his midline like he's swinging a golf
Speaker 1: club or swinging a baseball bat. And I'm literally counting
Speaker 1: and telling him to go faster and faster, and he's
Speaker 1: going slower and slower because his brain has never been
Speaker 1: trained to correlate speed that way. They look at I
Speaker 1: get uneath a bunch of weight, if I do a
Speaker 1: hand cling or a jerk, or do a bench press,
Speaker 1: they correlate that to speed and that's more of a
Speaker 1: strength component. And when you get into the neuromuscular side
Speaker 1: to it, that's the fastest of speeds and velocity where
Speaker 1: you've got to create that stability. You gotta build that.
Speaker 1: It's just like having a V twelve in a car.
Speaker 1: While like I always say, it's like shooting a cannon
Speaker 1: out of a canoe. Like that cannon strong as hell,
Speaker 1: but if you shoot it in a canoe, is gonna
Speaker 1: flip the canoe over. You've got no balance and stability there.
Speaker 1: But when you can apply it, and now you get
Speaker 1: that brain to start firing, and those axons and neurons
Speaker 1: and all those things start cross bit bridge into my
Speaker 1: field and all that Like, those are the things the mina,
Speaker 1: the mino conjuror to pout of sale. Those things are
Speaker 1: rapidly engaging, engaging, engaging, and then that's when all the
Speaker 1: magic starts to happen. I was talking with Dr Greg
Speaker 1: Rows out of t p I and he said they
Speaker 1: had a player, you know, on the tour. They came
Speaker 1: out and said, listen, I want to try and you know,
Speaker 1: gain some speed, gain some power and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So what are some of the things that I can
Speaker 1: do to try and do it. And further to what
Speaker 1: you guys were saying, he was thinking they were gonna
Speaker 1: tell them all this gym stuff. And Greg said to him,
Speaker 1: what have you ever thought about swinging the golf club faster?
Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, you know, I mean, but
Speaker 1: what exercises can I do in the gym and all
Speaker 1: the stuff? And Greg was like, no, no, no, have
Speaker 1: you ever thought about just moving the object that you're holding?
Speaker 1: Moving it faster? Right? Just swing it faster? Right. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways that you can do that, right.
Speaker 1: I think everybody thinks that one of the ways that
Speaker 1: we create speed and power is to do exercises, lift
Speaker 1: weights and stuff like that. But I think one of
Speaker 1: the cool things, um, you know, Bryson's Bryson de Shambo's
Speaker 1: an easy target, right because of kind of the way
Speaker 1: he goes about doing things. But I think one of
Speaker 1: the cool things has been really interesting in his quest
Speaker 1: for all this speed stuff is when he's at major championships.
Speaker 1: There's some videos of him on the driving range to
Speaker 1: Augusta a couple of years ago where he's hitting drivers.
Speaker 1: He's got the launch monitor. He's basically just swinging as
Speaker 1: fast as again, and he's not even looking where the
Speaker 1: golf ball is going. He's just immediately looking back to
Speaker 1: the monitor and looking at it from a speed standpoint. Um,
Speaker 1: is it hard to get golfers to give up that
Speaker 1: sense of control because I'm in the I'm in the
Speaker 1: golf world from instruction was you guys are in the
Speaker 1: fitness world, right? Is it hard to let to get
Speaker 1: golfers to get into that athlete mentality and just say, listen,
Speaker 1: we just need you to just kind of almost go
Speaker 1: at this with a reckless abandon and get to that
Speaker 1: point that other athletes live in all the time. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I think golf is such a control sport in that
Speaker 1: controlled environment where everything has to be you know, just
Speaker 1: you gotta be at of control. You've gotta be at
Speaker 1: to control of the cluff as you've gotta better control this,
Speaker 1: this angle. You got to create this, You've got to
Speaker 1: create that. And it's hard to have that that that mimic, right,
Speaker 1: that transference, like to be able to say okay, I
Speaker 1: really want you or like how you do it. That's
Speaker 1: like if you were telling me if I'm hitting a
Speaker 1: shot and you know I should hit it further you're like, well,
Speaker 1: how far do you think you hit this? And I
Speaker 1: got hit my nine and forty yards ago. Okay, hit
Speaker 1: at hundred you know what. I'm like, wait what? And
Speaker 1: I just kind of like, what do you mean? Like, no,
Speaker 1: I want you to hit a hundred sixty and because
Speaker 1: like that's where you kind of create that mind and
Speaker 1: body connects and where you're trying to get divided and
Speaker 1: move faster and then apply it. Because the first thing
Speaker 1: I do with some of the others don't want to
Speaker 1: getting speed on like good bounce on one leg. That's
Speaker 1: what happened on one leg. Then you're never gonna swing
Speaker 1: it faster. There are components to what Colby is saying,
Speaker 1: like you can go ahead and swing it ballistically, but
Speaker 1: what happens is if you want to get faster, you've
Speaker 1: got to go back to what Kay when and I say,
Speaker 1: And people like Dr Greg Rose and everybody who I
Speaker 1: don't want to just call us three out like people
Speaker 1: are talented, they've studied, they understand what the human body
Speaker 1: has to do to get these things happen. And there's
Speaker 1: there's hundreds of thousands of golf fitness professionals and coaches
Speaker 1: like you that understand it more than they ever have. Like,
Speaker 1: you can't just go swing it as fast as you
Speaker 1: think you can. You gotta understand. The body has got
Speaker 1: to be able to control. And like Colby said, you've
Speaker 1: got to adapt to that speed. You do have to
Speaker 1: get the brain to say, I gotta let go of
Speaker 1: the control because to get faster, you gotta move faster.
Speaker 1: But there are ways, and that's why we do what
Speaker 1: we do to say, these are the ways you can
Speaker 1: move fast, stir and then when you get fast, you've
Speaker 1: got to be able to control and stay in balance
Speaker 1: to be able to do it again and again and
Speaker 1: again again. You know the crazy thing is now that
Speaker 1: we're talking about all that was like when I started
Speaker 1: with Max Homer and he was outside of the top
Speaker 1: fifteen the wear on ball speed, and we worked together
Speaker 1: for I think it was a little over three months,
Speaker 1: and he went inside the top fifteen in the world
Speaker 1: on ball speed. And he had no idea how he
Speaker 1: did it because it was just everything that we did
Speaker 1: in the gym, it just applied to what he needed
Speaker 1: to do in the golf course. And all of a
Speaker 1: sudden when he went to titles, I saw tylers at
Speaker 1: the Tour Championship. It was like, did he tell you
Speaker 1: his numbers? I was like, yeah, he told me about it.
Speaker 1: He's like no, no, no, no, you don't understand. Like
Speaker 1: he was literally outside the top fifty and now he's
Speaker 1: like close to the top ten in the War on
Speaker 1: Ball speed And you asked Max and it was the
Speaker 1: funniest thing because he's like, I don't even know what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm just swinging the club and that's what
Speaker 1: I tell him. That's that's the best part about the
Speaker 1: whole thing for us for coaching eyes that when you
Speaker 1: don't have to think about it, these athletes are literally
Speaker 1: not thinking about it and it just happens. Because now
Speaker 1: now we've addressed those imbalances, those weakness, those compensations that
Speaker 1: was going on in connectic chain. If we can eliminate
Speaker 1: those things, then that's where we get that one to
Speaker 1: two percent better every day. Because when you're dealing with
Speaker 1: great athletes like a DJ, like these guys are justin
Speaker 1: Thomas like they're great all right, I mean they're out there,
Speaker 1: Maxhomas and you know all these different guys in the
Speaker 1: books and those guys like all we're trying to do
Speaker 1: is for me is we're trying to get them. We're
Speaker 1: trying to eliminate the little bit of the weaknesses and
Speaker 1: balances to make them a little bit better. A little
Speaker 1: If we can make them a little bit better, that
Speaker 1: are the great athletes and that's a game changing for them.
Speaker 1: Trust is the biggest thing we've all gained, three of
Speaker 1: us in this room. There's so much more trust right
Speaker 1: in what how we teach and collectively you said it
Speaker 1: earlier on in this podcast, we are more of a
Speaker 1: team than we've ever been. So their support, right, there's
Speaker 1: the ability for them to trust every part of the
Speaker 1: process and it's a process, right. But I believe the
Speaker 1: evolution of golf fitness right here it is is that
Speaker 1: we have been able to, you know, work underneath grades
Speaker 1: like you and your dad and you know, Tony Riggierio
Speaker 1: and guys that we really believe in. And then you
Speaker 1: guys have your dad included said what they're saying works.
Speaker 1: I've seen it with my own eyes. You and I
Speaker 1: worked other for years and years and years with athletes.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, look at look at
Speaker 1: the track records. They speak for themselves like goldby saying,
Speaker 1: you know, this is something that this evolution is not
Speaker 1: far fetched too, that it will continue as the sports develop,
Speaker 1: as the human body develops, as as the technology develops.
Speaker 1: You have to do this to get to the top
Speaker 1: in any sport, especially golf. Let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and we are back. Joey, you're working with DJ Colby
Speaker 1: just as an example, your work with Justin Thomas. You've
Speaker 1: very very different people, right to different body styles, different backgrounds,
Speaker 1: different athletic you know, backgrounds and stuff. Um, what are
Speaker 1: the similarities in what you to do with them? And
Speaker 1: then what are some of the specific things that you
Speaker 1: do differently with them that you wouldn't necessarily you like,
Speaker 1: what couldn't you have one of them do that the
Speaker 1: other one is doing. I mean, I don't think there's
Speaker 1: anything like when we look at the sport when we
Speaker 1: talk about sports specific and that sport is going to
Speaker 1: be the same no matter what. So when you you
Speaker 1: have to find out the modalities and you have to
Speaker 1: train in that arena, if it's a transverse plane sport,
Speaker 1: we're gonna address I would address the same I think
Speaker 1: and coach would agree, like we address mobility and stability
Speaker 1: the same in Justin and Dj because the human body
Speaker 1: is still the same, Like they might have to not
Speaker 1: have the same, right, but movement is movement, like and
Speaker 1: the science is always gonna be the science. You've gotta
Speaker 1: have internal hip mobile, you gotta have external hip mobility,
Speaker 1: you've gotta have a specific number that you're at. You
Speaker 1: get someone like DJ who's really hyper mobile, freakishly mobile,
Speaker 1: right So, like so everything that coaches doing where it
Speaker 1: might be, we're always trying to bring guys to the middle,
Speaker 1: to the stability part because hyper mobility wherever I take
Speaker 1: someone like Justin Thomas who lives on his toes, so
Speaker 1: he's got tighter calves, right because that move that he does,
Speaker 1: so it affects his ankle mobility, where DJ has more
Speaker 1: like a much mobility, right So so, but so we
Speaker 1: might have them both doing things on a boat, super
Speaker 1: ball or ericx pad, and it's addressing those same things
Speaker 1: because we're still trying to bring them to that stability
Speaker 1: part to where the body. We're trying to optimize each
Speaker 1: one of them's body to perform at that level. So
Speaker 1: to me, like like they would both load the same
Speaker 1: if I'm actual loading DJ, I would actual load just
Speaker 1: in the same way, like the demand might be different,
Speaker 1: like of course DJ would probably lift more weight, you know,
Speaker 1: but from from a training standpoint like mobilities, mobilities, stabilities, stability,
Speaker 1: like we would just be and it would be up
Speaker 1: to the individual, Like if I'm screening DJ, what does
Speaker 1: he have less of more of? And then we would
Speaker 1: address that screen justin what does he have less of
Speaker 1: more of? And how do we address that. One of
Speaker 1: the things I did today on this topic, which is
Speaker 1: funny because I started to pay a lot more attention
Speaker 1: about wanting to provide information from you know, Coach k
Speaker 1: Wayne standpoint, my standpoint, and giving people opportunity to learn.
Speaker 1: We talked about don't guess right, assess, So we don't
Speaker 1: want people guessing. We want people to give themselves the
Speaker 1: ability to have an assessment properly. And it's sort of
Speaker 1: like what you do with the players. You you put
Speaker 1: them on whatever measurable device you use at your academy
Speaker 1: h and and then you see them many times when
Speaker 1: they're at the very best, like you might want them
Speaker 1: to come and have a session with you when they
Speaker 1: just want a tournament, and then you video and you
Speaker 1: you you collect at it with numbers and then you
Speaker 1: sometimes I've watched you do when they're not playing well.
Speaker 1: And the beautiful thing about that is that's assessing. That's
Speaker 1: that's giving an ability for people to create a metric
Speaker 1: to measure and quantify what were you doing so well?
Speaker 1: How many times have you and I personally looked at
Speaker 1: video a DJ and Colby has done the same thing
Speaker 1: of JT and Tiger and everybody we work with and say,
Speaker 1: these are the things you did really well, what happened.
Speaker 1: Let's assess, Let's not guess. It's not a guessing game
Speaker 1: at this level of golf. And even when you teach,
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't you probably you know you're
Speaker 1: so busy and you have so much going on in
Speaker 1: the world. You know, you teach people of much lesser talent.
Speaker 1: You still teach fundamentally the same way. Claude harm and
Speaker 1: the third teachers. I've watched you, Colby, Kobe does it same.
Speaker 1: I do it the same. I think these athletes all
Speaker 1: have common thread because golf basically you've got to do
Speaker 1: the same things. The bodies might be different, but the
Speaker 1: requirements are very much the same. How many times have
Speaker 1: I heard you say this, like Kenny Perry doesn't get
Speaker 1: the the you know, he doesn't swing like Dustin Johnson,
Speaker 1: who doesn't swing like JT. But at impact, they're all
Speaker 1: pretty darn close to doing the same thing. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: just depends on the limitations that their body has. Like
Speaker 1: so we're all trying to create that synergistic thing. That's
Speaker 1: what's awesome about working with guys like you because you
Speaker 1: can watch a swing and no, boom, I need him
Speaker 1: to do this. He's not doing this his role. It's
Speaker 1: not externally rotating his lead arms, doing this, doing this,
Speaker 1: doing that. He can't do this. And then for me,
Speaker 1: we can walk come into the gym and we can
Speaker 1: address all those things that you've seen, and that the
Speaker 1: blink of an eye that you can address there. And
Speaker 1: I think that's the most important thing to be able
Speaker 1: to work with guys like you, that that allows us
Speaker 1: to be on that journey with that athlete, because I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the ultimate team thing. How MUCHO guys is new
Speaker 1: and how much is oh? Because you know, my dad
Speaker 1: always says in seminars, because that I've invented nothing in
Speaker 1: the golf swing. Right, everything I've learned I kind of
Speaker 1: borrowed stuff from other people and I borrowed ideas from
Speaker 1: all of that, and I think there is there's always
Speaker 1: there's always these eyes in golf instruction that I like
Speaker 1: to say, they've got this new method, right, I've got
Speaker 1: the new things and and and toss and and and
Speaker 1: the guys that always have the new the new ship
Speaker 1: and the secret stuff. They never want to tell me.
Speaker 1: It's always you know, it's always the secret. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I can't, no, no, I can't tell you all this stuff.
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, is the fitness world the same? Do
Speaker 1: you think there's new stuff coming out? Or do you
Speaker 1: think you guys are just applying stuff that has been
Speaker 1: around and maybe enough, playing it in a different way
Speaker 1: of saying it in a different way. I tell people
Speaker 1: it's the same book that anatomy and physiology book that
Speaker 1: I read when I was in college, was the same
Speaker 1: book that coach read like an extra bones. There's no
Speaker 1: the body. Yeah, there's no new bones. There's nobody. It's
Speaker 1: the exact same thing. You you. The human body is
Speaker 1: the most divine machine ever invented, and it's not broken
Speaker 1: like we create and balances of weaknesses and what happens
Speaker 1: is in our industry. I don't know what the golf
Speaker 1: instruction industries like, but in the fitness industry, there's always
Speaker 1: something with some new thing. You know, they'll see me
Speaker 1: put a guy on a boatsuit ball and I'm ruining
Speaker 1: the fitness industry because like I'm I don't like you
Speaker 1: don't swearing up a golf club, like on a boat,
Speaker 1: like why you're doing and it's not even part of it,
Speaker 1: Like you you get a two second clip of this
Speaker 1: guy's program and it's it's so much more to that.
Speaker 1: There's so many more layers to that. But these guys,
Speaker 1: they want to be the guy on the hill that
Speaker 1: wants to shout from the mountaintops that we're ruining the
Speaker 1: golf industry because the whole when you think about proper reception,
Speaker 1: when you think about neuromuscular, when you think about just
Speaker 1: where you are in space and how your body adapts
Speaker 1: to specific things, like we're just training the computer. We're
Speaker 1: just training the most amazing machine ever invented, and you
Speaker 1: have to address all those things, you know, because like
Speaker 1: if you think about you're in a bunker, you think
Speaker 1: about if you're on a downhill, lie you're playing at
Speaker 1: Augusta Nation, there's a flatlow there. So I mean if
Speaker 1: I never challenge use your stability, never challenge your inkle mobility,
Speaker 1: those vectors, those four worses, those different angles than when
Speaker 1: you get out there, you and no man's land and
Speaker 1: you can't hit the ball off that lab because you've
Speaker 1: never trained there, you've never been there. Golfers tend to lift,
Speaker 1: they tend to I think golfers tend to practice golf
Speaker 1: like power list. They just they practice it in one
Speaker 1: specific set, no up down, no sidehill, no anything, And
Speaker 1: they practice golf as if during it's it's repetition. But
Speaker 1: golf is all random, there's nothing repetitive about the playing
Speaker 1: of the game, yet it's practiced in a way that
Speaker 1: is all repetition. Yeah, And I think I think I've
Speaker 1: I've actually seen in my career because I've worked with
Speaker 1: so many talented players over the over the decades, and
Speaker 1: what does that seriously date me now? But I think
Speaker 1: about how many times I've watched on TV a player
Speaker 1: trying to hit a shot in a bunker or his
Speaker 1: feet are at the top and he's trying to bend over.
Speaker 1: You're watching these guys and they're trying to find how
Speaker 1: many times of the three of us watch somebody like
Speaker 1: they're rolling their pants up and they're gonna get in
Speaker 1: the water, but they can't really find it, and then
Speaker 1: and then this violent swing happens and they end up
Speaker 1: losing their balance. I mean, those are the things figure
Speaker 1: out how to get that stability. And my goal is
Speaker 1: I want to train you that way in the gym
Speaker 1: to where when you walk out there, it has transference
Speaker 1: and go always goes back to the same thing. Like
Speaker 1: everything we're doing in the gym should have transference into
Speaker 1: your sport where when you get out there, you've done it.
Speaker 1: I watched some of the greatest athletes walk through these doors,
Speaker 1: and I love to watch to learn, and I love
Speaker 1: watching kolbe Wayne to a work right because these guys,
Speaker 1: like you said, Julio Jones, I mean, these monsters come
Speaker 1: in here, right. I can't remember the center. He had
Speaker 1: a center that came in from like US, Seattle or
Speaker 1: some someplace out west. This guy could have walked through
Speaker 1: these concrete walls and Kobe puts him in his position,
Speaker 1: and this giant couldn't do anything. He fell right over
Speaker 1: again and again again. And then we watched we watched
Speaker 1: uh Nolan come in right and DJ. DJ laughed so hard, remember,
Speaker 1: because DJ is like, yo, bro, you gotta figure it out.
Speaker 1: Got you like he was. You see these amazing athletes,
Speaker 1: and you know what I love about them. They are
Speaker 1: phenomenal at their sport, and all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 1: one common threat. They come in here and they all
Speaker 1: love playing golf, and then that's the great equalizer. They
Speaker 1: realize how unbelievably demanding and difficult it is. So we
Speaker 1: love about what we've discussed today, and what I hope
Speaker 1: people take away from this is there there is opportunity, yes,
Speaker 1: in reading our book Hanging to Battery, that we're very
Speaker 1: proud of because really, the success of that book is
Speaker 1: not just coach k Wayne and I. It's the athletes
Speaker 1: and it's anecdotal, it's it's their true story. It's their
Speaker 1: real workouts that they believe that are in the pages.
Speaker 1: That you can take what you want because everybody is different, right,
Speaker 1: every all the bodies are all same. Right, there's no
Speaker 1: book we all didn't create like this magic secret sauce.
Speaker 1: We just believe in the value of understanding how to
Speaker 1: assess being professionals that no, we can do the very
Speaker 1: best weekend but the players have to own it and
Speaker 1: they have to trust and let go of that control
Speaker 1: in golf, and they can find their way to better,
Speaker 1: but it requires the system and the process. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's an applied science. Like I mean, you can
Speaker 1: take what you want from it, but I mean, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like nothing whatever surpass hard work. Lastly,
Speaker 1: I mean these are going to be I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: you guys to generalize things. I know you guys like
Speaker 1: to assess, but a lot of people listening to this
Speaker 1: podcast are never gonna have an opportunity to work with
Speaker 1: people like yourselves, right, They're never going to really have
Speaker 1: the time and you know, dedicated. So give me each
Speaker 1: one of you a couple of exercises that you really
Speaker 1: really like for golfers, and then give me a couple
Speaker 1: of exercises from a golf standpoint that you would want
Speaker 1: to stay away from that probably aren't going to help you,
Speaker 1: um and and and could somewhat hinder what you're trying
Speaker 1: to do as a golfer. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let I'm gonna go with things that I want golfers
Speaker 1: to stay away from, which I know he coach k
Speaker 1: Wayne would agree with and I'm gonna let him go
Speaker 1: with what they should be thinking about. I believe golfers
Speaker 1: should stay away and caution themselves from Olympic lifts. They
Speaker 1: are technical, a very few people in the world are
Speaker 1: qualified to teach those things, and they are detrimental and
Speaker 1: can cause massive injuries for golfers if you're not stay
Speaker 1: away under supervision correct and have built up to get
Speaker 1: to a point to where you're doing that, because again
Speaker 1: social media is filled with a bunch of golfers that
Speaker 1: love to put their Instagram stuff on their lift and
Speaker 1: heavy weight. You guys do that with with golfers, but
Speaker 1: you only do it under so strict supervision and we
Speaker 1: won't let them lift. And we do not do things,
Speaker 1: especially Kay Wayne and I and our coaches in this facility.
Speaker 1: We stay away from any potential risks of injury. And
Speaker 1: I I would say, here's the first answer, and then
Speaker 1: ka Wayne, I'll take over. Stay away from Olympic lifts
Speaker 1: because they're dangerous and detrimental. Yes, when done right over
Speaker 1: a long period of time, they can be very beneficial,
Speaker 1: but not for the everyday golf or not for the
Speaker 1: new golfer. I believe staying away from the Olympic squad
Speaker 1: and the dead lift and the cleans and things like that,
Speaker 1: of that nature, you should be mindful of what could
Speaker 1: happen if done wrong. What about things they should be doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, like you gotta get in the
Speaker 1: transfers playing, you gotta rotate, so any exercise and the
Speaker 1: transfers plane for people listening, but don't live in your world.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, obviously we hear that all the time.
Speaker 1: Tell us what that is. It's rotory, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: that rotation like everything you're doing. Like we train athletes
Speaker 1: so much in a lane, your pattern up and down,
Speaker 1: and then we tell them that's swing a baseball, bat
Speaker 1: or run everything. When you run, you in rotation, and
Speaker 1: when you throw a baseball, you're in rotation. When you
Speaker 1: swing a golf club, you're in rotation. So if we
Speaker 1: train in a static or stationary linear and then I'll
Speaker 1: tell you to go do something transverse or rotary, it's
Speaker 1: it doesn't apply. So for me, I think any type
Speaker 1: like you can get in your golf posture, take anchor
Speaker 1: a band to a wall and just rotate through like
Speaker 1: rotate through like you're mimicking rotating from inside your right
Speaker 1: side all the way into your left side. And then
Speaker 1: any balance exercise like get on one leg if you're
Speaker 1: doing dumbbell curls, if you're doing you know, triset press,
Speaker 1: or if you're doing a band press, or you're doing
Speaker 1: a band pool, do it on one leg, do ten
Speaker 1: on one leg and hind on another leg, like anything
Speaker 1: that challenge you from because you think about it's a
Speaker 1: bilateral sport. You're into your right side, you're unload into
Speaker 1: your left side, and that teaches deceleration, it teaches balance.
Speaker 1: So when I put you on one leg, it's not
Speaker 1: just working on balance. I'm stabilizing your foot, I'm increasing
Speaker 1: anchor mobility, I'm stabilizing your knee, I'm increasing hip mobility.
Speaker 1: So it's addressing your netic chain. So any balance exercise
Speaker 1: and combine that with a movement, it's top line. It
Speaker 1: checks all the boxes. Yeah, because I don't think golfers
Speaker 1: realized that one you mentioned. You know, the anatomy you
Speaker 1: know of an athlete, of a human being hasn't changed.
Speaker 1: But I don't think people that play golf, you know,
Speaker 1: recreationally or sometimes even you know, competitively, realize one, you've
Speaker 1: got all of these body parts. You're trying to coordinate
Speaker 1: and organize all of them in a dynamic movement pattern
Speaker 1: that's finished in second half to two seconds max. Right,
Speaker 1: it's a very quick, explosive motion, and we're asking you
Speaker 1: to do a lot. And then we're dealing with a
Speaker 1: majority of the people that are playing golf recreational are
Speaker 1: doing exactly what we're doing right now. They're sitting in chairs,
Speaker 1: they're sitting in cars, so they don't do anything in
Speaker 1: their daily life that involves any sort of rotation. They
Speaker 1: don't do anything right. So even right now I'm in
Speaker 1: this chair, if I was sitting in my office, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get up, turn around. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: scoot the chair back. The chairs on wheels. The chair
Speaker 1: rotates for me. So we're asking golfers to do so
Speaker 1: much in a very very short period of time. Correct,
Speaker 1: it's super dynamic. I mean it's everything. Like for me,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite exercises, I take a golf club,
Speaker 1: put it across your shoulders. So if your listeners are
Speaker 1: on the range before you get a golf ball, balance
Speaker 1: on your right leg and your golf posture and make
Speaker 1: your back swing and then do five that way, and
Speaker 1: then balance on your lead leg and turn into your
Speaker 1: lead leg and then hit a golf ball. And I
Speaker 1: guarantee you they're going to automatically feel the biggest difference.
Speaker 1: It becomes real pretty quick when you give the body
Speaker 1: and ability to understand what you're gonna ask it to do,
Speaker 1: because people are basically sedentary and they're deconditioned in life.
Speaker 1: The massive population and the masses right. People do say
Speaker 1: that they have gym memberships, and they do say that
Speaker 1: they do some type of something, but it requires a
Speaker 1: lot more than just being able to say I've done
Speaker 1: nothing for a week. Now I'm gonna go out on
Speaker 1: a Saturday and I'm gonna tee it up with no
Speaker 1: warm up, no nothing, and all of a sudden, by
Speaker 1: the third hole out they go there in the clubhouse,
Speaker 1: whole number nineteen. Yeah, they can't move. And that's the
Speaker 1: most important thing I would want your listeners to get
Speaker 1: from this to like, are the best athletes, the athletes
Speaker 1: that we work well on tour and everywhere. Um, we
Speaker 1: get the body ready to swing a golf club like
Speaker 1: most individuals get their body ready to swing a golf club.
Speaker 1: By swinging a golf club like, we actually put you
Speaker 1: through different planes of motion and movement and challenge the body.
Speaker 1: We elevate the core temperature where you're actually your body
Speaker 1: is actually warmed up. And then when you pick the
Speaker 1: club up, it's pretty simple to good and transfer into
Speaker 1: that switch your nera'sceptors on, which tells the NERA pathways
Speaker 1: what the end uses like you don't just put like
Speaker 1: Colby said it best ready, Here's here's what lands the plane. People.
Speaker 1: The club does not move until you pick it up,
Speaker 1: and that requires your body to get in the game. Well,
Speaker 1: I love that. Hang the Banner is the new book. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Still waiting for my copy. I mean, my
Speaker 1: dad's got a forward. I haven't. I haven't gotten a
Speaker 1: copy yet. I'm still waiting for one. But I appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys taking the time and and and you know,
Speaker 1: I'd love to read the book. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'll go on Amazon and buy I think I know
Speaker 1: somebody when you're too long. Thanks guys, thanks for talking
Speaker 1: to us. So that was a really good talk with
Speaker 1: two of the best in the business their new book,
Speaker 1: Hang the Banner. Joey d. Coolby Tullyer. Thanks for them
Speaker 1: for coming on and listen. I mean it's off season
Speaker 1: now for for most of the tours around the world. UM,
Speaker 1: so the players are going to be going kind of
Speaker 1: through their off course or off season stuff, and I
Speaker 1: think you'll see a lot of guys, you know, really
Speaker 1: trying to use these down times, UM, in between when
Speaker 1: the tours start back up and in the new year,
Speaker 1: and trying to get in shape and and as weather
Speaker 1: kind of in the east coast of the US, um Europe, UM,
Speaker 1: you can get a little dicey at this time, a
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna be inside. And I think
Speaker 1: it's it's an opportunity when players are talking about trying
Speaker 1: to figure out ways they can make gains to their
Speaker 1: their golf swing and the and their game. UM. The
Speaker 1: off season, UM getting with kind of a dedicated golf
Speaker 1: is professional getting on a program and UM using the
Speaker 1: off season to try and and and get your body
Speaker 1: in shape for when the weather starts getting better. UM.
Speaker 1: I definitely think it's um something that the best players
Speaker 1: in the world are going to do, and it's certainly
Speaker 1: something that everybody listening can do. Son of a Bhich
Speaker 1: comes to you every Wednesday. Thanks everyone for listening and
Speaker 1: we will see you next week.