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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to

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Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This week's guests, UM two guys that

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Speaker 1: while now, Joey d and Colby Tellier. Um there, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty biased, but I think there are two of

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Speaker 1: the best people in the Gulf fitness space. UM. I'm

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Speaker 1: lucky enough to work on the same team with them

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Speaker 1: known both of them for quite some time, and like

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Speaker 1: I said, I think they're I think they're the best

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Speaker 1: The best players in the world entrust them to help

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Speaker 1: them with all of their golf fitness and it's interesting

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Speaker 1: to to talk to both of them to talk about

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Speaker 1: how far golf fitness has come and you know where

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Speaker 1: it is. But I don't think there's anyone inside the

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Speaker 1: world that doesn't have people like them look after their fitness.

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Speaker 1: And UM, you know, I think when you look at

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Speaker 1: a guy like Matt Fitzpatrick who has really really kind

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Speaker 1: of changed UM, how he trains, UM, how he goes

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Speaker 1: about trying to get distant speed and power. And that's

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Speaker 1: something that I think everybody's trying to do UM day

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Speaker 1: in and day out. You know, when I give golf lessons,

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Speaker 1: people are always saying, listen, you need to get more speed,

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Speaker 1: need to get more power, and so UM. Having an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to talk to Joey and Colby about UM, what

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Speaker 1: they do, their opinions on on on golf fitness and

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Speaker 1: excited for everyone to take a listen, So sit back

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Speaker 1: and enjoy the interview. So boys, uh, hang the banner.

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Speaker 1: The new book is out. UM, talk to me, what

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Speaker 1: these big banners and UM, talk to me about what

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Speaker 1: was the reason behind and why you guys wanted to

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Speaker 1: do the book. I think the reason behind hanging the

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Speaker 1: topic of golf fitness has finally evolved, and I think

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Speaker 1: people understand it better than ever than Colby and I

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Speaker 1: still till this day have had a little bit of

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Speaker 1: Hang the banner was basically a testimony to the players

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Speaker 1: that come through these doors, that work with coach k

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Speaker 1: Wayne and I and our personal methodologies and there um,

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Speaker 1: you know, put up on on how they believe it

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Speaker 1: at all work paid off. It was kind of like

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Speaker 1: And then when the book came along, Um, we were

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Speaker 1: we should just call it hanging a banner, and we

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's really what the book means the most

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Speaker 1: transference from the exercise selection on how it creates the

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Speaker 1: create uh some synergistic mythology of training to have transference

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Speaker 1: the range once and and you know that that that

432
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Speaker 1: was a famous masters, right, and I was going with

433
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Speaker 1: Chris back then, and he actually said things like everybody's

434
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Speaker 1: competing from second to whatever place you're going to finish.

435
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Speaker 1: Because he was unbeautiabule in their minds, they feared him,

436
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Speaker 1: and I think his physicality was something that they still

437
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Speaker 1: couldn't get their heads around. Right, that was a natural gift.

438
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Speaker 1: But as Colby will say till this day, he will

439
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Speaker 1: outwork anybody and I and I agree with him. I

440
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Speaker 1: agree with that, Like you know, you have to be

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Speaker 1: able to to persevere. Uh, Like Colby said, you only

442
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Speaker 1: have so many swings before the body naturally breaks down.

443
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Speaker 1: You have to be able to you know, I don't

444
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Speaker 1: I don't like to use the word prehability, but you've

445
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Speaker 1: got to prepare the body for the natural breakdown of

446
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 1: how many hundreds of thousands to a million plus swings

447
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Speaker 1: you're gonna make and then it breaks. You gotta prepare

448
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Speaker 1: to body for the demand that you're gonna place on it.

449
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Speaker 1: And to me, that all happens in the gym. I

450
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Speaker 1: mean you have to train. You have to train it

451
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Speaker 1: like and that's what I try to tell these leads.

452
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 1: I do too, Like if I'm trying an athlete, I'm

453
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Speaker 1: trying to bring you to the deepest part of the

454
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Speaker 1: ocean and you've got to find your way out of it, like,

455
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Speaker 1: and that's how we train, and we train that way.

456
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Speaker 1: Then if you get in a high pressure situation, is

457
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Speaker 1: high pressure back nine with a two shot lead, and

458
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Speaker 1: your heart rate wants to spike up on you. We've

459
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Speaker 1: been there before, so from a central nervous system and

460
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Speaker 1: us in a neuromuscular system, you've been there and you've

461
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Speaker 1: adapted to that stress. So that stress you're gonna fell

462
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Speaker 1: on Sunday at that heart rate wants to spike up

463
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Speaker 1: and instead of bugging out like You're gonna flatline, You're

464
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Speaker 1: gonna be perfect because your body can handle the stress.

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Speaker 1: The stress is that has being placed on you from

466
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Speaker 1: that type of demand, Like your body can handle it

467
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Speaker 1: and process it fast. Joe, you I mean you work

468
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Speaker 1: with Dustin Johnson, who is a freak athlete, right, he

469
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Speaker 1: can DJ can do anything anything anything, So training that

470
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Speaker 1: whole physicality, all of suff that comes, that's that's kind

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Speaker 1: of part of his DNA COB A kid like j T.

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Speaker 1: You know, justin Thomas he said he's put on thirty

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Speaker 1: pounds of muscle. Now, you coming from your your work

474
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Speaker 1: with the LSU football program, you know that a Division

475
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Speaker 1: one lineman in the NFL first round draft pick, how

476
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Speaker 1: much they're gonna put to play in the NFL. He

477
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Speaker 1: needs to gain probably twenty to thirty pounds to be

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Speaker 1: able to compete with the people that he's going at.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that JT has put on thirty pounds. I

480
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Speaker 1: don't think the average person watching them on TV realizes

481
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Speaker 1: that golfers now that are of that frame. You know,

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Speaker 1: DJ is blessed with genetics, right but he but still

483
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Speaker 1: even he if you look at him when he first

484
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Speaker 1: came on tour to look at him at his you

485
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Speaker 1: know it, where he is at a prime or he

486
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Speaker 1: is a muscular like athletic specimen. And I think that.

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Speaker 1: But the genetics for DJ health four did help long levers,

488
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Speaker 1: long arms, long have hyper mobile JT doesn't have them.

489
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Speaker 1: So that's why the gym is so important for someone.

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Speaker 1: You take someone who has someone like JTS. He's not

491
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Speaker 1: six whatever. DJ is, so like he's got to get

492
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Speaker 1: every he's got to optimize everything in his body to

493
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Speaker 1: go out there and compete against those guys. Because from

494
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Speaker 1: like you said, from a genetic standpoint, he's not six six,

495
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Speaker 1: he doesn't have to leave us in a level. So

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Speaker 1: he's got to find a way to get it from

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Speaker 1: somewhere else, to create more speed, to have that power

498
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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So to me, that's just another

499
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Speaker 1: testament to how much work he puts on the jim.

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Speaker 1: He takes somebody Lucas Glover that's in his forties and

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Speaker 1: he has his best year and his forties, and he

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Speaker 1: did when he won the US Open, you know, and

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Speaker 1: wherever whenever, he one and the best became number one

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Speaker 1: in the world at So those kind of those kind

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Speaker 1: of modalities where you say Okay, this is where we

506
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Speaker 1: are now. Now we need to do X, Y and

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Speaker 1: Z for you to be able to continue to compete

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Speaker 1: at this level. So let's take a short break and

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Speaker 1: we will be back right after this. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: get back to the interview. Sure, we've heard you talk

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Speaker 1: about the four pillars of strength, balance, stability, power, and velocity.

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Speaker 1: Right when we're looking at those for for golfers, um,

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Speaker 1: both competitive golfers and the average golfers. Out of out

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Speaker 1: of those four things, what's for everyone listening that that's

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Speaker 1: trying to get better at golf? Right, what's the low

516
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Speaker 1: hanging fruit for you from those four pillars? Right? Give

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Speaker 1: me something you feel is like an easy balance, easy stability,

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Speaker 1: something from a power stuff. Because I think people think, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I want to try and hit it further. Everybody's trying

520
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Speaker 1: to hit the golf ball further, want to get more distance,

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Speaker 1: want to get more power. The recreational golfers trying to

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Speaker 1: do that. But then the people that you work with

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Speaker 1: at the competitive level, they're trying to make those gains too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I'd love to borrow you know, my partners.

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Speaker 1: Uh statement is it's easy to get strong, right, so strength,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's not something that I think is the challenge.

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Speaker 1: I think to understand mobility and stability and and those

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Speaker 1: are the things that you have to be able to

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Speaker 1: first understand. You know, the term, if we're gonna get technical,

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Speaker 1: is anatomical neutral and that's that's the strongest point of

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Speaker 1: the human body. Right, So when you stand up over

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Speaker 1: the golf ball, if Colby came up and his player

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Speaker 1: was was in the strongest point out address, or you

534
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: know how driver in his hand almost like a cat

535
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Speaker 1: that you dig the claws in the carpet, you try

536
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Speaker 1: to pull the cat out. They feel that power from

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00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: the ground up, right. But then you know, to create

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Speaker 1: the ability to rotate, because there's a rotational sport, you've

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00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: got to have mobility, right, So flexibility is one thing,

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00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: mobility is another thing. And then ultimately you you were

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Speaker 1: asked this question more than Colby, and I think, coach,

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Speaker 1: how do we get more speed? And I guarantee you

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Speaker 1: c h I've heard it, you know time and time

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Speaker 1: again being with you for years. People the biggest thing

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Speaker 1: they want is more speed. So you have to create

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Speaker 1: the foul foundation or those pillars of strength to be

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Speaker 1: able to ultimately get the body to respond to all

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Speaker 1: those things. So if you're asking me, you know, where

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Speaker 1: does it start. I saw Kobe working with somebody yesterday

550
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Speaker 1: who I was enamored with, which is his young rookie.

551
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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna end up with Rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 1: And I was so impressed because he talked to me

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Speaker 1: afterwards and and he's a baseball player and he said

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Speaker 1: to me, I said, how was it today? And we

555
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: were in that parking lot and he said, hey, coach,

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Speaker 1: come on over. He was coach k Wayne kicked my

557
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Speaker 1: ass because I didn't even know things like that could

558
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Speaker 1: be that difficult. And I watched one of their training

559
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Speaker 1: sessions and here's this unbelievable powerhouse and he's doing things

560
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Speaker 1: that the guy never even realized, which you would think, well,

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Speaker 1: he should be able to do that effortlessly. You remember

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Speaker 1: the workout the other day. So what would you say,

563
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Speaker 1: like the explanation or the answer with a clause? Thing?

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Speaker 1: Is I like it best through Brendan because I love

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Speaker 1: what you did. Yeah, I mean when you're trying to

566
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Speaker 1: because the same things. Just like a golf he's trying

567
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Speaker 1: to create more. He wants to hit the ball harder,

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Speaker 1: saying with a golfer. So for me, it's okay, we

569
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Speaker 1: can get stronger to an extent, But now, how does

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Speaker 1: the brain correlate speed? And the only way you can

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Speaker 1: correlate speed with the brain is you gotta train it faster.

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Speaker 1: You gotta train the brain to move fast. You gotta

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Speaker 1: you gotta teach. If I'm trying to go across the midline,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to go as fast and ballistic as I

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Speaker 1: can across the midline, over and over and over again,

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Speaker 1: as fast as you can. And the crazy thing is

577
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Speaker 1: is I'll put him in a position to where all

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Speaker 1: he has to do is take a band that's anchored

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Speaker 1: opposite of him, parallel to him, and he's got to

580
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Speaker 1: rip it across his midline like he's swinging a golf

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Speaker 1: club or swinging a baseball bat. And I'm literally counting

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Speaker 1: and telling him to go faster and faster, and he's

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Speaker 1: going slower and slower because his brain has never been

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Speaker 1: trained to correlate speed that way. They look at I

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Speaker 1: get uneath a bunch of weight, if I do a

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Speaker 1: hand cling or a jerk, or do a bench press,

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Speaker 1: they correlate that to speed and that's more of a

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Speaker 1: strength component. And when you get into the neuromuscular side

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Speaker 1: to it, that's the fastest of speeds and velocity where

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Speaker 1: you've got to create that stability. You gotta build that.

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Speaker 1: It's just like having a V twelve in a car.

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Speaker 1: While like I always say, it's like shooting a cannon

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Speaker 1: out of a canoe. Like that cannon strong as hell,

594
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Speaker 1: but if you shoot it in a canoe, is gonna

595
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Speaker 1: flip the canoe over. You've got no balance and stability there.

596
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: But when you can apply it, and now you get

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Speaker 1: that brain to start firing, and those axons and neurons

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Speaker 1: and all those things start cross bit bridge into my

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Speaker 1: field and all that Like, those are the things the mina,

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Speaker 1: the mino conjuror to pout of sale. Those things are

601
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Speaker 1: rapidly engaging, engaging, engaging, and then that's when all the

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Speaker 1: magic starts to happen. I was talking with Dr Greg

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Speaker 1: Rows out of t p I and he said they

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Speaker 1: had a player, you know, on the tour. They came

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Speaker 1: out and said, listen, I want to try and you know,

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Speaker 1: gain some speed, gain some power and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So what are some of the things that I can

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Speaker 1: do to try and do it. And further to what

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Speaker 1: you guys were saying, he was thinking they were gonna

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Speaker 1: tell them all this gym stuff. And Greg said to him,

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Speaker 1: what have you ever thought about swinging the golf club faster?

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Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, you know, I mean, but

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Speaker 1: what exercises can I do in the gym and all

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Speaker 1: the stuff? And Greg was like, no, no, no, have

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Speaker 1: you ever thought about just moving the object that you're holding?

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Speaker 1: Moving it faster? Right? Just swing it faster? Right. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of different ways that you can do that, right.

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Speaker 1: I think everybody thinks that one of the ways that

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Speaker 1: we create speed and power is to do exercises, lift

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Speaker 1: weights and stuff like that. But I think one of

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Speaker 1: the cool things, um, you know, Bryson's Bryson de Shambo's

622
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: an easy target, right because of kind of the way

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Speaker 1: he goes about doing things. But I think one of

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Speaker 1: the cool things has been really interesting in his quest

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00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: for all this speed stuff is when he's at major championships.

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Speaker 1: There's some videos of him on the driving range to

627
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: Augusta a couple of years ago where he's hitting drivers.

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Speaker 1: He's got the launch monitor. He's basically just swinging as

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Speaker 1: fast as again, and he's not even looking where the

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00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: golf ball is going. He's just immediately looking back to

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Speaker 1: the monitor and looking at it from a speed standpoint. Um,

632
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: is it hard to get golfers to give up that

633
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: sense of control because I'm in the I'm in the

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Speaker 1: golf world from instruction was you guys are in the

635
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: fitness world, right? Is it hard to let to get

636
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: golfers to get into that athlete mentality and just say, listen,

637
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: we just need you to just kind of almost go

638
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: at this with a reckless abandon and get to that

639
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: point that other athletes live in all the time. Absolutely,

640
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: I think golf is such a control sport in that

641
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: controlled environment where everything has to be you know, just

642
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: you gotta be at of control. You've gotta be at

643
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: to control of the cluff as you've gotta better control this,

644
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: this angle. You got to create this, You've got to

645
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Speaker 1: create that. And it's hard to have that that that mimic, right,

646
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Speaker 1: that transference, like to be able to say okay, I

647
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Speaker 1: really want you or like how you do it. That's

648
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Speaker 1: like if you were telling me if I'm hitting a

649
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Speaker 1: shot and you know I should hit it further you're like, well,

650
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Speaker 1: how far do you think you hit this? And I

651
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: got hit my nine and forty yards ago. Okay, hit

652
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Speaker 1: at hundred you know what. I'm like, wait what? And

653
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Speaker 1: I just kind of like, what do you mean? Like, no,

654
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: I want you to hit a hundred sixty and because

655
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: like that's where you kind of create that mind and

656
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: body connects and where you're trying to get divided and

657
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: move faster and then apply it. Because the first thing

658
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: I do with some of the others don't want to

659
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: getting speed on like good bounce on one leg. That's

660
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: what happened on one leg. Then you're never gonna swing

661
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: it faster. There are components to what Colby is saying,

662
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: like you can go ahead and swing it ballistically, but

663
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: what happens is if you want to get faster, you've

664
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Speaker 1: got to go back to what Kay when and I say,

665
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Speaker 1: And people like Dr Greg Rose and everybody who I

666
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Speaker 1: don't want to just call us three out like people

667
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: are talented, they've studied, they understand what the human body

668
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Speaker 1: has to do to get these things happen. And there's

669
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Speaker 1: there's hundreds of thousands of golf fitness professionals and coaches

670
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: like you that understand it more than they ever have. Like,

671
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: you can't just go swing it as fast as you

672
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: think you can. You gotta understand. The body has got

673
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: to be able to control. And like Colby said, you've

674
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: got to adapt to that speed. You do have to

675
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: get the brain to say, I gotta let go of

676
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: the control because to get faster, you gotta move faster.

677
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: But there are ways, and that's why we do what

678
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: we do to say, these are the ways you can

679
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: move fast, stir and then when you get fast, you've

680
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: got to be able to control and stay in balance

681
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: to be able to do it again and again and

682
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: again again. You know the crazy thing is now that

683
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about all that was like when I started

684
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: with Max Homer and he was outside of the top

685
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: fifteen the wear on ball speed, and we worked together

686
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: for I think it was a little over three months,

687
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Speaker 1: and he went inside the top fifteen in the world

688
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: on ball speed. And he had no idea how he

689
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: did it because it was just everything that we did

690
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: in the gym, it just applied to what he needed

691
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: to do in the golf course. And all of a

692
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: sudden when he went to titles, I saw tylers at

693
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: the Tour Championship. It was like, did he tell you

694
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: his numbers? I was like, yeah, he told me about it.

695
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: He's like no, no, no, no, you don't understand. Like

696
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: he was literally outside the top fifty and now he's

697
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Speaker 1: like close to the top ten in the War on

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Speaker 1: Ball speed And you asked Max and it was the

699
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: funniest thing because he's like, I don't even know what

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Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm just swinging the club and that's what

701
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: I tell him. That's that's the best part about the

702
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: whole thing for us for coaching eyes that when you

703
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: don't have to think about it, these athletes are literally

704
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: not thinking about it and it just happens. Because now

705
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: now we've addressed those imbalances, those weakness, those compensations that

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00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: was going on in connectic chain. If we can eliminate

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00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: those things, then that's where we get that one to

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00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: two percent better every day. Because when you're dealing with

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00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: great athletes like a DJ, like these guys are justin

710
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: Thomas like they're great all right, I mean they're out there,

711
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: Maxhomas and you know all these different guys in the

712
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: books and those guys like all we're trying to do

713
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: is for me is we're trying to get them. We're

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00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: trying to eliminate the little bit of the weaknesses and

715
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: balances to make them a little bit better. A little

716
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: If we can make them a little bit better, that

717
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: are the great athletes and that's a game changing for them.

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Speaker 1: Trust is the biggest thing we've all gained, three of

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Speaker 1: us in this room. There's so much more trust right

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Speaker 1: in what how we teach and collectively you said it

721
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: earlier on in this podcast, we are more of a

722
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: team than we've ever been. So their support, right, there's

723
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Speaker 1: the ability for them to trust every part of the

724
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: process and it's a process, right. But I believe the

725
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: evolution of golf fitness right here it is is that

726
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: we have been able to, you know, work underneath grades

727
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: like you and your dad and you know, Tony Riggierio

728
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: and guys that we really believe in. And then you

729
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 1: guys have your dad included said what they're saying works.

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00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: I've seen it with my own eyes. You and I

731
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: worked other for years and years and years with athletes.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, look at look at

733
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: the track records. They speak for themselves like goldby saying,

734
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Speaker 1: you know, this is something that this evolution is not

735
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: far fetched too, that it will continue as the sports develop,

736
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: as the human body develops, as as the technology develops.

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00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: You have to do this to get to the top

738
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Speaker 1: in any sport, especially golf. Let's take a quick break

739
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Speaker 1: and we are back. Joey, you're working with DJ Colby

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00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: just as an example, your work with Justin Thomas. You've

741
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: very very different people, right to different body styles, different backgrounds,

742
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: different athletic you know, backgrounds and stuff. Um, what are

743
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: the similarities in what you to do with them? And

744
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: then what are some of the specific things that you

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00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: do differently with them that you wouldn't necessarily you like,

746
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: what couldn't you have one of them do that the

747
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: other one is doing. I mean, I don't think there's

748
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: anything like when we look at the sport when we

749
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: talk about sports specific and that sport is going to

750
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: be the same no matter what. So when you you

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00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: have to find out the modalities and you have to

752
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 1: train in that arena, if it's a transverse plane sport,

753
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna address I would address the same I think

754
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: and coach would agree, like we address mobility and stability

755
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: the same in Justin and Dj because the human body

756
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: is still the same, Like they might have to not

757
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: have the same, right, but movement is movement, like and

758
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: the science is always gonna be the science. You've gotta

759
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: have internal hip mobile, you gotta have external hip mobility,

760
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: you've gotta have a specific number that you're at. You

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Speaker 1: get someone like DJ who's really hyper mobile, freakishly mobile,

762
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: right So, like so everything that coaches doing where it

763
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: might be, we're always trying to bring guys to the middle,

764
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: to the stability part because hyper mobility wherever I take

765
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: someone like Justin Thomas who lives on his toes, so

766
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: he's got tighter calves, right because that move that he does,

767
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: so it affects his ankle mobility, where DJ has more

768
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: like a much mobility, right So so, but so we

769
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: might have them both doing things on a boat, super

770
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: ball or ericx pad, and it's addressing those same things

771
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: because we're still trying to bring them to that stability

772
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: part to where the body. We're trying to optimize each

773
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: one of them's body to perform at that level. So

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00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: to me, like like they would both load the same

775
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: if I'm actual loading DJ, I would actual load just

776
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: in the same way, like the demand might be different,

777
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: like of course DJ would probably lift more weight, you know,

778
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: but from from a training standpoint like mobilities, mobilities, stabilities, stability,

779
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: like we would just be and it would be up

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00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: to the individual, Like if I'm screening DJ, what does

781
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 1: he have less of more of? And then we would

782
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: address that screen justin what does he have less of

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00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: more of? And how do we address that. One of

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00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: the things I did today on this topic, which is

785
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: funny because I started to pay a lot more attention

786
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: about wanting to provide information from you know, Coach k

787
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: Wayne standpoint, my standpoint, and giving people opportunity to learn.

788
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: We talked about don't guess right, assess, So we don't

789
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: want people guessing. We want people to give themselves the

790
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: ability to have an assessment properly. And it's sort of

791
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: like what you do with the players. You you put

792
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: them on whatever measurable device you use at your academy

793
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: h and and then you see them many times when

794
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: they're at the very best, like you might want them

795
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: to come and have a session with you when they

796
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: just want a tournament, and then you video and you

797
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: you you collect at it with numbers and then you

798
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: sometimes I've watched you do when they're not playing well.

799
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: And the beautiful thing about that is that's assessing. That's

800
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Speaker 1: that's giving an ability for people to create a metric

801
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: to measure and quantify what were you doing so well?

802
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: How many times have you and I personally looked at

803
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: video a DJ and Colby has done the same thing

804
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: of JT and Tiger and everybody we work with and say,

805
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: these are the things you did really well, what happened.

806
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: Let's assess, Let's not guess. It's not a guessing game

807
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: at this level of golf. And even when you teach,

808
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't you probably you know you're

809
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: so busy and you have so much going on in

810
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: the world. You know, you teach people of much lesser talent.

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Speaker 1: You still teach fundamentally the same way. Claude harm and

812
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: the third teachers. I've watched you, Colby, Kobe does it same.

813
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: I do it the same. I think these athletes all

814
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: have common thread because golf basically you've got to do

815
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: the same things. The bodies might be different, but the

816
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: requirements are very much the same. How many times have

817
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: I heard you say this, like Kenny Perry doesn't get

818
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: the the you know, he doesn't swing like Dustin Johnson,

819
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: who doesn't swing like JT. But at impact, they're all

820
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: pretty darn close to doing the same thing. Yeah, it

821
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: just depends on the limitations that their body has. Like

822
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: so we're all trying to create that synergistic thing. That's

823
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: what's awesome about working with guys like you because you

824
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: can watch a swing and no, boom, I need him

825
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: to do this. He's not doing this his role. It's

826
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: not externally rotating his lead arms, doing this, doing this,

827
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: doing that. He can't do this. And then for me,

828
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: we can walk come into the gym and we can

829
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: address all those things that you've seen, and that the

830
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: blink of an eye that you can address there. And

831
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Speaker 1: I think that's the most important thing to be able

832
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: to work with guys like you, that that allows us

833
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: to be on that journey with that athlete, because I mean,

834
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: that's the ultimate team thing. How MUCHO guys is new

835
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: and how much is oh? Because you know, my dad

836
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: always says in seminars, because that I've invented nothing in

837
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: the golf swing. Right, everything I've learned I kind of

838
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: borrowed stuff from other people and I borrowed ideas from

839
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: all of that, and I think there is there's always

840
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: there's always these eyes in golf instruction that I like

841
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: to say, they've got this new method, right, I've got

842
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: the new things and and and toss and and and

843
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: the guys that always have the new the new ship

844
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: and the secret stuff. They never want to tell me.

845
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: It's always you know, it's always the secret. Oh no,

846
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: I can't, no, no, I can't tell you all this stuff.

847
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, is the fitness world the same? Do

848
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: you think there's new stuff coming out? Or do you

849
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: think you guys are just applying stuff that has been

850
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: around and maybe enough, playing it in a different way

851
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: of saying it in a different way. I tell people

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00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: it's the same book that anatomy and physiology book that

853
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: I read when I was in college, was the same

854
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: book that coach read like an extra bones. There's no

855
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: the body. Yeah, there's no new bones. There's nobody. It's

856
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: the exact same thing. You you. The human body is

857
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: the most divine machine ever invented, and it's not broken

858
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: like we create and balances of weaknesses and what happens

859
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: is in our industry. I don't know what the golf

860
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: instruction industries like, but in the fitness industry, there's always

861
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: something with some new thing. You know, they'll see me

862
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: put a guy on a boatsuit ball and I'm ruining

863
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: the fitness industry because like I'm I don't like you

864
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: don't swearing up a golf club, like on a boat,

865
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: like why you're doing and it's not even part of it,

866
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: Like you you get a two second clip of this

867
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: guy's program and it's it's so much more to that.

868
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: There's so many more layers to that. But these guys,

869
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: they want to be the guy on the hill that

870
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: wants to shout from the mountaintops that we're ruining the

871
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: golf industry because the whole when you think about proper reception,

872
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: when you think about neuromuscular, when you think about just

873
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: where you are in space and how your body adapts

874
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: to specific things, like we're just training the computer. We're

875
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: just training the most amazing machine ever invented, and you

876
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: have to address all those things, you know, because like

877
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: if you think about you're in a bunker, you think

878
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: about if you're on a downhill, lie you're playing at

879
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: Augusta Nation, there's a flatlow there. So I mean if

880
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: I never challenge use your stability, never challenge your inkle mobility,

881
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: those vectors, those four worses, those different angles than when

882
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: you get out there, you and no man's land and

883
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: you can't hit the ball off that lab because you've

884
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: never trained there, you've never been there. Golfers tend to lift,

885
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: they tend to I think golfers tend to practice golf

886
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: like power list. They just they practice it in one

887
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: specific set, no up down, no sidehill, no anything, And

888
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: they practice golf as if during it's it's repetition. But

889
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: golf is all random, there's nothing repetitive about the playing

890
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: of the game, yet it's practiced in a way that

891
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: is all repetition. Yeah, And I think I think I've

892
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: I've actually seen in my career because I've worked with

893
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: so many talented players over the over the decades, and

894
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: what does that seriously date me now? But I think

895
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: about how many times I've watched on TV a player

896
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: trying to hit a shot in a bunker or his

897
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: feet are at the top and he's trying to bend over.

898
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: You're watching these guys and they're trying to find how

899
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: many times of the three of us watch somebody like

900
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: they're rolling their pants up and they're gonna get in

901
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: the water, but they can't really find it, and then

902
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: and then this violent swing happens and they end up

903
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: losing their balance. I mean, those are the things figure

904
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: out how to get that stability. And my goal is

905
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: I want to train you that way in the gym

906
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: to where when you walk out there, it has transference

907
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: and go always goes back to the same thing. Like

908
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: everything we're doing in the gym should have transference into

909
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: your sport where when you get out there, you've done it.

910
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: I watched some of the greatest athletes walk through these doors,

911
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: and I love to watch to learn, and I love

912
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: watching kolbe Wayne to a work right because these guys,

913
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: like you said, Julio Jones, I mean, these monsters come

914
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: in here, right. I can't remember the center. He had

915
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: a center that came in from like US, Seattle or

916
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: some someplace out west. This guy could have walked through

917
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: these concrete walls and Kobe puts him in his position,

918
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: and this giant couldn't do anything. He fell right over

919
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: again and again again. And then we watched we watched

920
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: uh Nolan come in right and DJ. DJ laughed so hard, remember,

921
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: because DJ is like, yo, bro, you gotta figure it out.

922
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: Got you like he was. You see these amazing athletes,

923
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: and you know what I love about them. They are

924
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: phenomenal at their sport, and all of a sudden, it's

925
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: one common threat. They come in here and they all

926
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: love playing golf, and then that's the great equalizer. They

927
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: realize how unbelievably demanding and difficult it is. So we

928
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: love about what we've discussed today, and what I hope

929
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: people take away from this is there there is opportunity, yes,

930
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: in reading our book Hanging to Battery, that we're very

931
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: proud of because really, the success of that book is

932
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: not just coach k Wayne and I. It's the athletes

933
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: and it's anecdotal, it's it's their true story. It's their

934
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: real workouts that they believe that are in the pages.

935
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: That you can take what you want because everybody is different, right,

936
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: every all the bodies are all same. Right, there's no

937
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: book we all didn't create like this magic secret sauce.

938
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: We just believe in the value of understanding how to

939
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: assess being professionals that no, we can do the very

940
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: best weekend but the players have to own it and

941
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: they have to trust and let go of that control

942
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: in golf, and they can find their way to better,

943
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: but it requires the system and the process. Yeah, I

944
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: mean it's an applied science. Like I mean, you can

945
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: take what you want from it, but I mean, at

946
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like nothing whatever surpass hard work. Lastly,

947
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: I mean these are going to be I'm gonna ask

948
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: you guys to generalize things. I know you guys like

949
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: to assess, but a lot of people listening to this

950
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: podcast are never gonna have an opportunity to work with

951
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: people like yourselves, right, They're never going to really have

952
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: the time and you know, dedicated. So give me each

953
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: one of you a couple of exercises that you really

954
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: really like for golfers, and then give me a couple

955
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: of exercises from a golf standpoint that you would want

956
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: to stay away from that probably aren't going to help you,

957
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: um and and and could somewhat hinder what you're trying

958
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: to do as a golfer. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna

959
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: let I'm gonna go with things that I want golfers

960
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: to stay away from, which I know he coach k

961
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: Wayne would agree with and I'm gonna let him go

962
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: with what they should be thinking about. I believe golfers

963
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: should stay away and caution themselves from Olympic lifts. They

964
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: are technical, a very few people in the world are

965
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: qualified to teach those things, and they are detrimental and

966
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: can cause massive injuries for golfers if you're not stay

967
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: away under supervision correct and have built up to get

968
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: to a point to where you're doing that, because again

969
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: social media is filled with a bunch of golfers that

970
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: love to put their Instagram stuff on their lift and

971
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: heavy weight. You guys do that with with golfers, but

972
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: you only do it under so strict supervision and we

973
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: won't let them lift. And we do not do things,

974
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: especially Kay Wayne and I and our coaches in this facility.

975
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: We stay away from any potential risks of injury. And

976
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: I I would say, here's the first answer, and then

977
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: ka Wayne, I'll take over. Stay away from Olympic lifts

978
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: because they're dangerous and detrimental. Yes, when done right over

979
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: a long period of time, they can be very beneficial,

980
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: but not for the everyday golf or not for the

981
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: new golfer. I believe staying away from the Olympic squad

982
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: and the dead lift and the cleans and things like that,

983
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: of that nature, you should be mindful of what could

984
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: happen if done wrong. What about things they should be doing.

985
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, like you gotta get in the

986
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: transfers playing, you gotta rotate, so any exercise and the

987
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: transfers plane for people listening, but don't live in your world.

988
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: That's I mean, obviously we hear that all the time.

989
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: Tell us what that is. It's rotory, it's it's it's

990
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: that rotation like everything you're doing. Like we train athletes

991
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: so much in a lane, your pattern up and down,

992
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: and then we tell them that's swing a baseball, bat

993
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: or run everything. When you run, you in rotation, and

994
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: when you throw a baseball, you're in rotation. When you

995
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: swing a golf club, you're in rotation. So if we

996
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: train in a static or stationary linear and then I'll

997
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: tell you to go do something transverse or rotary, it's

998
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't apply. So for me, I think any type

999
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: like you can get in your golf posture, take anchor

1000
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: a band to a wall and just rotate through like

1001
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: rotate through like you're mimicking rotating from inside your right

1002
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: side all the way into your left side. And then

1003
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: any balance exercise like get on one leg if you're

1004
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 1: doing dumbbell curls, if you're doing you know, triset press,

1005
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: or if you're doing a band press, or you're doing

1006
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: a band pool, do it on one leg, do ten

1007
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: on one leg and hind on another leg, like anything

1008
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: that challenge you from because you think about it's a

1009
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: bilateral sport. You're into your right side, you're unload into

1010
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: your left side, and that teaches deceleration, it teaches balance.

1011
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: So when I put you on one leg, it's not

1012
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: just working on balance. I'm stabilizing your foot, I'm increasing

1013
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: anchor mobility, I'm stabilizing your knee, I'm increasing hip mobility.

1014
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: So it's addressing your netic chain. So any balance exercise

1015
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: and combine that with a movement, it's top line. It

1016
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: checks all the boxes. Yeah, because I don't think golfers

1017
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: realized that one you mentioned. You know, the anatomy you

1018
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,959
Speaker 1: know of an athlete, of a human being hasn't changed.

1019
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: But I don't think people that play golf, you know,

1020
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: recreationally or sometimes even you know, competitively, realize one, you've

1021
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: got all of these body parts. You're trying to coordinate

1022
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: and organize all of them in a dynamic movement pattern

1023
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: that's finished in second half to two seconds max. Right,

1024
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: it's a very quick, explosive motion, and we're asking you

1025
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: to do a lot. And then we're dealing with a

1026
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: majority of the people that are playing golf recreational are

1027
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: doing exactly what we're doing right now. They're sitting in chairs,

1028
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: they're sitting in cars, so they don't do anything in

1029
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: their daily life that involves any sort of rotation. They

1030
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: don't do anything right. So even right now I'm in

1031
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: this chair, if I was sitting in my office, I'm

1032
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: not going to get up, turn around. I'm just gonna

1033
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: scoot the chair back. The chairs on wheels. The chair

1034
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: rotates for me. So we're asking golfers to do so

1035
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: much in a very very short period of time. Correct,

1036
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: it's super dynamic. I mean it's everything. Like for me,

1037
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: one of my favorite exercises, I take a golf club,

1038
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: put it across your shoulders. So if your listeners are

1039
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: on the range before you get a golf ball, balance

1040
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: on your right leg and your golf posture and make

1041
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: your back swing and then do five that way, and

1042
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: then balance on your lead leg and turn into your

1043
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: lead leg and then hit a golf ball. And I

1044
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: guarantee you they're going to automatically feel the biggest difference.

1045
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: It becomes real pretty quick when you give the body

1046
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: and ability to understand what you're gonna ask it to do,

1047
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: because people are basically sedentary and they're deconditioned in life.

1048
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: The massive population and the masses right. People do say

1049
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: that they have gym memberships, and they do say that

1050
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: they do some type of something, but it requires a

1051
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: lot more than just being able to say I've done

1052
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: nothing for a week. Now I'm gonna go out on

1053
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: a Saturday and I'm gonna tee it up with no

1054
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: warm up, no nothing, and all of a sudden, by

1055
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: the third hole out they go there in the clubhouse,

1056
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: whole number nineteen. Yeah, they can't move. And that's the

1057
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: most important thing I would want your listeners to get

1058
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: from this to like, are the best athletes, the athletes

1059
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: that we work well on tour and everywhere. Um, we

1060
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: get the body ready to swing a golf club like

1061
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: most individuals get their body ready to swing a golf club.

1062
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: By swinging a golf club like, we actually put you

1063
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: through different planes of motion and movement and challenge the body.

1064
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: We elevate the core temperature where you're actually your body

1065
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: is actually warmed up. And then when you pick the

1066
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: club up, it's pretty simple to good and transfer into

1067
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: that switch your nera'sceptors on, which tells the NERA pathways

1068
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Speaker 1: what the end uses like you don't just put like

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00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: Colby said it best ready, Here's here's what lands the plane. People.

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00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: The club does not move until you pick it up,

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00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: and that requires your body to get in the game. Well,

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Speaker 1: I love that. Hang the Banner is the new book. Um,

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00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Still waiting for my copy. I mean, my

1074
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: dad's got a forward. I haven't. I haven't gotten a

1075
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: copy yet. I'm still waiting for one. But I appreciate

1076
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: you guys taking the time and and and you know,

1077
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: I'd love to read the book. You know what I mean.

1078
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: I'll go on Amazon and buy I think I know

1079
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: somebody when you're too long. Thanks guys, thanks for talking

1080
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: to us. So that was a really good talk with

1081
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: two of the best in the business their new book,

1082
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 1: Hang the Banner. Joey d. Coolby Tullyer. Thanks for them

1083
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: for coming on and listen. I mean it's off season

1084
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: now for for most of the tours around the world. UM,

1085
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: so the players are going to be going kind of

1086
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: through their off course or off season stuff, and I

1087
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 1: think you'll see a lot of guys, you know, really

1088
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: trying to use these down times, UM, in between when

1089
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: the tours start back up and in the new year,

1090
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: and trying to get in shape and and as weather

1091
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: kind of in the east coast of the US, um Europe, UM,

1092
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: you can get a little dicey at this time, a

1093
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna be inside. And I think

1094
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: it's it's an opportunity when players are talking about trying

1095
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: to figure out ways they can make gains to their

1096
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: their golf swing and the and their game. UM. The

1097
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: off season, UM getting with kind of a dedicated golf

1098
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: is professional getting on a program and UM using the

1099
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: off season to try and and and get your body

1100
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: in shape for when the weather starts getting better. UM.

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00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: I definitely think it's um something that the best players

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00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: in the world are going to do, and it's certainly

1103
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: something that everybody listening can do. Son of a Bhich

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00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: comes to you every Wednesday. Thanks everyone for listening and

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Speaker 1: we will see you next week.