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Speaker 1: Ye, Welcome to Wednesday's theition a Big Blue Kickoff Live

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. He's Pauledatino on Lance Medoko

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Speaker 1: to be with you for the next sixty minutes. Two

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Speaker 1: look ahead to the Pro Bowl, but we're going to

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Speaker 1: start right off the top with the Senior Bowl. But

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Speaker 1: entire Giant staff, we sent John Schmilk as far away

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Speaker 1: as humanly possible to mobile Alabama to cover the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 1: and now we bring him on the program to provide

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Speaker 1: the latest. Though, John, we might as well start with

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Speaker 1: the logistics here. We talked yesterday about Mother Nature, and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like Mother Nature is actually cooperating Alabama

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Speaker 1: for you and the rest of the media. Well, first

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Speaker 1: things first, I heard your nice interaction with Dave Dominic

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Speaker 1: before the show, and I gotta tell you I've never

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Speaker 1: been happy to be as far away from you as

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Speaker 1: possible to less John, I'm not holding back. I'm an

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Speaker 1: equal opportunitists. What can I say? But yeah, look, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of disappointed. But you know, based on the logistics,

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Speaker 1: there's there's really not much to be done. But the

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Speaker 1: rain has forced them to move practice inside today. So

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Speaker 1: both the South and North teams, which practice would happened

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Speaker 1: early this afternoon from like twelve five giffor take, has

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Speaker 1: been moved indoors to the South Alabama practice facility, which

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Speaker 1: is a new facility. But as you guys will know,

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Speaker 1: even from the Giants facility, which is a state of

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Speaker 1: the art indoor facility, there simply is not a lot

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Speaker 1: of sideline room inside those indoor practice fields. So there

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Speaker 1: are no stands, so obviously there's no room for the

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Speaker 1: media to come and cover. NFL Network isn't even going

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Speaker 1: to be able to televise it live the over recap

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Speaker 1: show tonight, and unfortunately, no one is going to be

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Speaker 1: and not even like full scouting staff. Guys, we're talking

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Speaker 1: two or three representatives of each team I think are

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Speaker 1: going to be allowed into this facility simply because of space.

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Speaker 1: So I was talking to Dame Bruger, who has been

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Speaker 1: this happened once at the East West Shrine game, has

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Speaker 1: never happened to Senior Bowl. So it is a It

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Speaker 1: is a very unique situation down here in Mobile, John,

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Speaker 1: are there any rumors or conversations about, Hey, I know

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Senior Bowl of salentity, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: So if the NFL wants to create an All Star

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Speaker 1: So people hate the miss practice. It is what it is,

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Speaker 1: my mind about the power guy. Yeah, hey, Jared, let

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Speaker 1: him and you're like, WHOA, this guy does not look

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Speaker 1: like a football player. And it was a tight end

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Speaker 1: for one of the teams, and he looked like a

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Speaker 1: basketball player. He checked in. I'm looking for the player

431
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Speaker 1: on the roster right now and the door remember his name,

432
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Speaker 1: lost hands Um. It was one of the small school

433
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Speaker 1: guys and he was just so tall and thin, and

434
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Speaker 1: you looked at him and you're like, did you, like,

435
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Speaker 1: are you trying football for the first time? It looks

436
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Speaker 1: like you should be playing power forward or small forward

437
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Speaker 1: for your for your colleague basketball team. I'm going to

438
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Speaker 1: the roster here, and Raymonds from Utah State. Utah State, Yeah,

439
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Speaker 1: that might be him. And and he checked in at

440
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Speaker 1: something like six eight and two and twenty pounds. So

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Speaker 1: he's one of those guys. We see him on the

442
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Speaker 1: field and he stands out, but you wonder if he's

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Speaker 1: somebody that that that's going to be able to kind of,

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Speaker 1: you know, make his way in the NFL and do

445
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Speaker 1: anything as a blocker as they move forward. Here, Yeah,

446
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Speaker 1: I'm looking through the roster. You know what, Donald Parham

447
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Speaker 1: six eight to forty out of Stetson, that's got to

448
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Speaker 1: be the guy. Yeah, that's it. That's exactly him. Out

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Speaker 1: of steps. And I think he actually checked in when

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Speaker 1: they waited him in at at two twenty something. I'm

451
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Speaker 1: not even sure he's two forty on the way and

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Speaker 1: oh those measurements. Oh, he's accurate, as we well know

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Speaker 1: based on the roster and then what we see when

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Speaker 1: they put on the underwear and all that good stuff. See, John,

455
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Speaker 1: you brought up the offensive line and we wound up

456
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Speaker 1: getting three questions out of Paul and even a tight

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Speaker 1: end reference. It's amazing you opened up. And my nderstanding

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Speaker 1: Lens is that you're listed on the official BBK roster

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Speaker 1: at five seven. Right. Wow, that supposedly is the rumor

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Speaker 1: that is being swirled. Yeah, we're not going to deny

461
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Speaker 1: or confront the leasure. Yes, Charles Barkley, Yeah, Charles Barkley

462
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: being brought up a lot on this program. Alright, alright,

463
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Speaker 1: I think we've done enough measurements on this program. As

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Speaker 1: we move along, John, we will speak to you moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, continue to cover the senior ball. Thanks again.

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Speaker 1: That is John Schmolke Live from Mobile, Alabama. A reminder,

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469
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Speaker 1: So they're going to be kept inside today as a

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Speaker 1: result of the rain. And listen, we talked about this

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Speaker 1: yesterday that they're going to send tapes to all thirty

472
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Speaker 1: two teams, so for anybody that's not on site, they'll

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Speaker 1: be able to break it down. It's not really gonna

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Speaker 1: be much of any difference than breaking down film from

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Speaker 1: the college season. But unfortunately, these are the circumstances that

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Speaker 1: they have to deal with right now in Alabama. You know,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't ask John exactly how many Uh. I know

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Speaker 1: all the teams are represented, but I don't know how

479
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Speaker 1: many total people were talking about. But I can tell

480
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: you from being down here with the Giants when they

481
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Speaker 1: go inside to the field house, there really is not

482
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Speaker 1: a ton of room on those sidelines. He's not kidding

483
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Speaker 1: when he says, you know, it is the safety issue.

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Speaker 1: I mean, because you've got all these players on the

485
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Speaker 1: field and you've got to worry about then not only

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Speaker 1: the folks on the sideline, but a lot of them

487
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Speaker 1: are carrying um different things in their hands, notes, notebooks, clipboards, uh,

488
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Speaker 1: stop watches. So it's kind of like you're not exactly

489
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Speaker 1: the most mobile and nimble bystander either. It's not like

490
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Speaker 1: you're standing there with nothing in your hands. You see

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Speaker 1: somebody coming, you can run away. It's it's dangerous to

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Speaker 1: the players, but it's dangerous for the guys who are

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Speaker 1: watching the practice too. Well. Unless you do get full

494
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Speaker 1: seasonal training camp reps. If you're here at the Giants

495
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Speaker 1: facility when you've been exposed to those circumstances. Policy, that's

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Speaker 1: what you're overlooking, You're all, we're looking maybe the individuals

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Speaker 1: that have had clipboards in there. I'm saying, training camp practice.

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Speaker 1: I can just appreciate the situation. Okay, that's all I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: completely understandable. But I look at it more from I

500
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Speaker 1: know everybody's looking at it from the lens of the

501
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Speaker 1: front office, the executives. I'm also thinking about the players.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're from a small program from stets In,

503
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Speaker 1: for example, this is your opportunity for tremendious exposure. And

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Speaker 1: the fact that not nearly as much coverage as what's

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Speaker 1: happened in previous years as a result of the right

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Speaker 1: I mean that to me is the more unfortunate aspect. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you think about this, the Combine is gonna have

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Speaker 1: between two and three something players, okay, and the Senior

509
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Speaker 1: Bowl has a fraction of that. So there's a better

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Speaker 1: chance if you are a small school prospect that you'll

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Speaker 1: get noticed, that your name will be in the paper,

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Speaker 1: your name will be on ESPN or NFL network. You've

513
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Speaker 1: got a better chance to get yourself known here, then

514
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Speaker 1: you do with the combine more of a reason why

515
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Speaker 1: you don't want to miss out on televised practices, because

516
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Speaker 1: remember who knows who's tuning in and who knows who

517
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Speaker 1: looks into what they see and says, hey, you know

518
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Speaker 1: what you know, if this guy doesn't get drafted or whatever,

519
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Speaker 1: this is gonna be our priority undrafted free agent that

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Speaker 1: we want to bring. You never know when your name

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Speaker 1: may come up in conversation because of a clip or

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Speaker 1: something like that. So that, to me, I think is

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Speaker 1: the biggest sacrifice as a result of the weather. But

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Speaker 1: it's the unfortunate side of doing business in an outdoor facility.

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Speaker 1: And that is what is going on in Mobile, Alabama

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Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. Two zero one five one three

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Speaker 1: is the telephone number. If you want to get involved

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Speaker 1: in the conversation, feel free to give us a ring,

529
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Speaker 1: as well as hashtag giants chat on Twitter. Now, that's

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Speaker 1: not the only football going on this week. We know

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl is going on Orlando, the skills competitions, etcetera, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: And I have to tell you something. I've been looking

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Speaker 1: at giants dot com and I've been going to the

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Speaker 1: new York Giants Twitter feed and you know, folks, I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you, it's overwhelming to see the fans support

536
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Speaker 1: that some of these giants are getting. Aldric Rosa's being

537
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Speaker 1: absolutely mobbed by autograph hounds. Uh. And and let's face it,

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Speaker 1: outside of our area here, how many people do you

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Speaker 1: think around the country really knew who aldrec Ross was

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Speaker 1: before his name popped up on the Pro Bowl roster. Well,

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Speaker 1: my guess is giants fans that probably are in the

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Speaker 1: Florida area are the ones that's about it. But but

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Speaker 1: he's getting mobbed of course, a Kwan Barkley also there's

544
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Speaker 1: some video of Sa Kwan sounding autographs and and and

545
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Speaker 1: certainly drawing a crowd to Odell Beckham like kind of crowd.

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Speaker 1: But Rosas getting just absolutely, uh, you know, mobbed with folks.

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Speaker 1: And look, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy, because

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Speaker 1: you know, I will say this, and I don't think

549
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Speaker 1: this is a stretch or a reach. Aldrec Ross as

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Speaker 1: maybe the most appreciative player at that Pro Bowl this year,

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Speaker 1: considering from where he's come from. Well, I mean I

552
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Speaker 1: think i've and also Michael Thomas did the list too.

553
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Speaker 1: I mean, you saw his reaction on social media after

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Speaker 1: he found out that he was going. Not granted, he's

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Speaker 1: a replacement as opposed to Rosas, who actually was allowed

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Speaker 1: to go, had already carved out a respectable NFL career

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Speaker 1: he had accomplished, but never goting. But nonetheless, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is a guy who came out of Stanford and

559
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Speaker 1: I'm sure planned to be an NFL player and was

560
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Speaker 1: able to take steps to make that dream happen. Aldre

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Speaker 1: Grossa's coming out of you know, Nowheresville, you know, gets

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Speaker 1: discovered as a rookie free agent, and you know, even

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Speaker 1: even after his rookie season which did not go very well,

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Speaker 1: and most people probably you know, had him with a foot,

565
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Speaker 1: if not two feet out the door to now be

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Speaker 1: a Plopol guy. I don't know. To me, that's such

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Speaker 1: a huge long shot, more so than Michael Thomas. And

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Speaker 1: I'm look, I remember, and I haven't had a chance

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Speaker 1: to talk to Michael Thomas since the vote came out,

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Speaker 1: but I know when Rosas was talking about how he

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Speaker 1: had got voted to be a starter, he virtually had

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Speaker 1: tears in his eyes. He was so overcome he had

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Speaker 1: trouble speaking. He was that emotional. About Wow. You know,

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Speaker 1: I can't even describe to you like where I've been

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Speaker 1: and what I've come from to be here. This is

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Speaker 1: just crazy. So I'm just really happy for the kid,

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Speaker 1: that's all. I mean. It's quite a turnaround for him.

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Speaker 1: You noted the ups and downs as a rookie, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure if you're old Jack Rosas, given the turnover

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Speaker 1: rate and the roster turnover in this league, you're saying

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Speaker 1: to yourself, Hey, you know, the Giants could be exploring

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Speaker 1: other options, maybe a veteran, maybe another young guy, and

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Speaker 1: they stuck with him. They brought in a new coaching staff,

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Speaker 1: you know, Thomas mcgahey, a new special teams coach. He

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Speaker 1: did have Tom Quinn return, so you know that helped

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Speaker 1: him as well, and and for him to you know,

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Speaker 1: produce at the consistent level that he didn't remember his

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00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: one miss was in line. It just came up short.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't as if he had one of those oh

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Speaker 1: my god, what was going on here, you know, wide

591
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: right or wide left. Not his one miss was in line.

592
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: Just didn't put enough mustard on it, as I like

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Speaker 1: to say. And it would have been too easy to

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Speaker 1: walk away from him after his rookie season. Really, when

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Speaker 1: you consider how many guys in this league don't get

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Speaker 1: a second chance, but he got one, and I'm so

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Speaker 1: glad for him. I'm with you, But you know what,

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Speaker 1: in fairness, I would say the same thing when a

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Speaker 1: team moves on from a coach after one season. That's

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Speaker 1: also ridiculous too, So you know, Bingo, that's exactly what's

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Speaker 1: gonna bring up with Steve Wilkes. So I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: with you, but in this league, I don't think anything

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Speaker 1: is guaranteed that just because you have one year and

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Speaker 1: it's up and down in your young player, that you're

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Speaker 1: guaranteed to come back the following year. And I think

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Speaker 1: if anybody understands that, it's Oltrick Rosas, which is probably

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Speaker 1: why he appreciates this more than perhaps the typical player,

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00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: because he didn't even know whether he was gonna be

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Speaker 1: on a roster this season, and for him to come

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Speaker 1: so far, I think says an awful lot. Whereas to

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Speaker 1: your point, some other players who came in as high

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Speaker 1: draft picks were big time prospects. Maybe they're not looking

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Speaker 1: at a Pro Bowl the same way. Now, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean that a guy like se Kwon Barkley doesn't appreciate

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Speaker 1: the honor. But of course I think maybe the end

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Speaker 1: all be all goal for se Kwon Barkley wasn't I

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Speaker 1: want to make it to tend Pro Bowls or whatever

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Speaker 1: it may be. Well, let's not kid ourselves. Okay, for

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Speaker 1: Altra Grossas, this spotlight is about as bright as it

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Speaker 1: can get for him, will you consider he did not

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Speaker 1: go to a power college program. Course, you know, like

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Speaker 1: I said, Michael Thomas played at Stanford. He played in

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Speaker 1: a lot of big, important games in his college career

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Speaker 1: before he even got to the NFL. He did, But

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Speaker 1: I would make the argument that how many people you

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Speaker 1: think even attended rosass college games. I didn't look at

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Speaker 1: the attendance figures for his school, but there are many people,

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you in the state. How many people scouted

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Speaker 1: his games? How about that enough? I guess it only

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Speaker 1: takes one there. Apparently it does take We got goals

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Speaker 1: what we do. But one of the point I wanted

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Speaker 1: to be because I think you hit on an interesting thing.

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Speaker 1: I get it that Michael Thomas came out of a

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00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: much more prominent program, but I think I'm happy for him.

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00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: By the way, don't know misinterpreted. I wasn't misinterpreting Paul,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to paint you with somebody who

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Speaker 1: did not appreciate him and so forth. No, I would

638
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Speaker 1: never try to manipulate how you view a player. Though

639
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Speaker 1: you went there yesterday with the whole debate on Johnny Unitis.

640
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: Don't think I haven't forgotten about that. But anyway, I'll

641
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: be kind in that record. I guess what I'm bringing

642
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: to the forefrontier is, Yes, he came from a much

643
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: more prominent program in Stanford. You're right, he's played in

644
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: big games. I just don't think he's gotten enough notoriety

645
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: since he's become an NFL player. That's my point. And

646
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: I think this is now an opportunity to be synonymous

647
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: with the Pro Bowl Game the festivities that come with that.

648
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: It's your first time, even though you've been in the

649
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: league for many years, so I think that's at least

650
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: important to take it to consideration. Right, Let's open up

651
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: the phone lines two zero, one, five one three hashtag

652
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: giants chat on Twitter, and boy, what a pleasure to

653
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: be pening up the phone lines for this individual. Charlie

654
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: is in Portland's main Charlie, how are we doing? Guys,

655
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: how are you all doing? We're doing all right? Yeah, Hey,

656
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: that happens to me when I go down to Florida too.

657
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: I have to sign an autograph. I can only imagine. Yes,

658
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: you have to bring your own security with you. Two

659
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: from me, because only professionals from Maine can actually handle

660
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: the traffic and the volume in Florida. And a full

661
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: briefcase of color photos. Yes, I give up three chicken

662
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: for them. Hey. Actually, what I was going to talk

663
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: about is just how lucky the paths are as usual. Um,

664
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: but I think the Rams are going to beat them,

665
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why. For one, Eli's offense is

666
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: just as good as Kansas Cities, but their defense is

667
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: twice as better as in Kansas Cities. And the Kansas

668
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: City Chiefs only have seven snap too for the Patriots,

669
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: but they scored thirty one in those seven snaps. The

670
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: Patriots defense is god awful. They're terrible. And when you

671
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,479
Speaker 1: have two and you have Donald, and you have Khalib

672
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: and you have Peters, that is such an upgrade over

673
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: what Kansas City had. All they have to do is

674
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: keep Brady under thirty points, which I think they could do.

675
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: And Uhla is going to score forty forty plots. So

676
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: this is not even This game is not even gonna

677
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: be close. This is going to be first of all,

678
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think you are completely crowning the Rams

679
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: defense based on one performance. If you watch the Rams

680
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: over the course of the season, they were in Kansas

681
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: City territory, and yes, there was a distinct difference when

682
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: I keep till he was on the field and when

683
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: he was not. I'll give you that, but they were

684
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: not getting the same type of consistent pass rush out

685
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: of their front seven. Even though those guys are all

686
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: big names, the Rams defense still has its issues. And

687
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: if you watch that Saints game, Charlie, I mean they

688
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: were picking apart that defensive line in those linebackers where

689
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara got out in the open field as a receiver,

690
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: there was nobody that can match up with Charlie. Just

691
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: how many places New Orleans score and and look, there

692
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: are a lot of things that we could delve into here,

693
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: but just to go real simple, the Rams this year

694
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: average thirty two points a game, actually thirty two point

695
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: nine four, which was second best in the league, and

696
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: gave up an average of twenty four a game which

697
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: was twenty in the league. That's what they're going to

698
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: give up this time. My prediction is going to be

699
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: forty one to twenty four. That's l a telling you

700
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: the Patriots are not that good. By the way, there

701
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: was so many penalties, you know, offsides rough in the

702
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: pass or which wasn't rough in the pass, or I mean,

703
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: my god, it was forty seven snaps. That tells you

704
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: how bad their defense is. Well, look, and I'm not

705
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: suggest saying that this is a rollover for either team.

706
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: You obviously feel that way for the Ramps. Understand this, okay,

707
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: No matter how many points it wound up being a

708
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: lot of times the game has played according to the score,

709
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: And of course it was the last eight minutes of

710
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: the game and overtime that became an offensive slugfest. Let's

711
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: not kid ourselves. Until that point in the game, it

712
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: was much more of a normal offensive, defensive game. Then

713
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: it became a pinball machine. So let's let's please understand that. Now. Belichick,

714
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: I know he's not in detail on every single defensive

715
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: play because he does kind of step away a little

716
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: bit during the game, but during the course of the week,

717
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: I have to feel he's gonna come up with a

718
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: bunch of different things. Like Mahomes a young quarterback, much

719
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: like Golf a young quarterback. They've not seen it all yet.

720
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: And I have to be honest, until the last few

721
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: minutes of that game, where Mahomes started winging it all

722
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: around the field for about three and a half quarters,

723
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: he looked like a very average them out in the

724
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: first half. That's my point. Well, and here, that's my point.

725
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: And they and they will do the same thing to Golf.

726
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: They want, you know what they want because l A

727
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: has a running game. They've got Girlie, and they got

728
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: Anderson and and Casey did not have that if they had.

729
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: That's not true. That is not true, Charlie, Damien will

730
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: when game, when Kareem Hunt left the team, Damian Williams

731
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: has filled in admirably. I completely disagree with. And what

732
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: Williams played, well, look at what kids, look at what

733
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: Kansas City ran against Indianapolis. And I know you're gonna

734
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: tell me what the Indianapolis defense is all of a sudden,

735
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: a juggernaut, which is not necessarily the case. Okay, And

736
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: and and here's the other point where I disagree with you.

737
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: First of all, New England shut out Kansas City in

738
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: the first half. That's number one. You're right. They did

739
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: fall apart a little bit in the second half. Number two.

740
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: Number two, No, no, no, hold on, hold on. One

741
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: of the touchdowns was on a short field off the

742
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: interception off of John Edelman's fingertip. Okay, they had to

743
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: go twenty three yards on that drive, Charlie, So pretty

744
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: one minus seven is what basic math? Twenty four points?

745
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: You give up twenty four points in the NFL. I

746
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: don't think that's terrible. Number two, did you like? What about?

747
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: Excuse me? What did Tyreek killing Travis Kelsey do in

748
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: the conference? Champion him away? What do you know you

749
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: should remember, No, Charlie, Charlie, before you go, Arlie, before Charlie,

750
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: hold on a second, hold on a second, before you go.

751
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: Remember what Belichick told this team his defense before Super Bowl.

752
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: Let Thurman Thomas have his hundred yards because in the

753
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: big picture, that will allow us to win. Don't you

754
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: think what he did last week against the Chiefs were say,

755
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: guess what, We're gonna take that guy and that guy

756
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: out of the game. Let the other guys do whatever

757
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: they want. We will do enough to win. Belichick was

758
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 1: a master last weekend, an absolute master. He out coached

759
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: Andy Reid. Doesn't he out coached Andy Reid like everybody

760
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: else does in the postseason because Andy Reid always folds

761
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: in the postseason. Well, look, I'm just saying the Rams

762
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: are a better team than Kansas City. Is Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie.

763
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: Let's well, we're gonna go, Charlie. We don't want to

764
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: argue with you. We'll talk to you another time. Well,

765
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I want I wanted more out of Charlie,

766
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: but it's no point doing show. What are we arguing

767
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: about the Patriots for? Well, listen, it's a football related show,

768
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: and at this time of the year, I don't think

769
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: there's any crime in talking about what's going on in

770
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: the playoff picture. But first of all, when you say

771
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: things like the Chiefs are a better team than the Patriots,

772
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: the reason I can't stand generic statement anti Patriots. But

773
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: but I'm not if we just delve into this a

774
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: little bit longer, Okay, appeas to me, Okay, go ahead,

775
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: go ahead. You can look at a roster on paper,

776
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: as my point, and you can say they've got all

777
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: the names, and that's what Charlie's doing. He's looking at

778
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: the Rams roster, Paul, and yeah, they got a lot

779
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 1: more names than the Patriots do. Nobody's gonna disagree with that,

780
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that the execution level is the

781
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: same as the other team, which may have not as

782
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: many big names. And first of all, I don't agree

783
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: that Kansas City is a much better team than New England.

784
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: First of all, New England had a much better defense

785
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: than Kansas City. From start to finish of the regular season.

786
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: Kansas City's defense was thirty first in the NFL. New

787
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: England was seventh. And I don't care if they play

788
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: the Jets twice, the Bills twice, and the Dolphins twice.

789
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm tired of hearing about that that they played them

790
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: six times. The New England Patriots also held the Pittsburgh

791
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: Steelers the seventeen points in the month of December. Okay,

792
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: how about that. Nobody wants to bring that up because

793
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: they're enamored with the a f C East. So let's

794
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: be fair here. When you look at the evidence and

795
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: you look at what transpired and them shutting out the

796
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: Kansas City cheams in the first half, Kansas City made

797
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: adjustments just like New England had to make adjustments, but

798
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: one of those touchdowns was on a short field, So

799
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: to me, they really g of up twenty four points.

800
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: Where Kansas City had to march down the length of

801
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: the field or settle for a field go, that was

802
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: a gimme set up by great field positioning. Six times

803
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: this year, the Patriots held teams to less than two

804
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: touchdowns in a game. I mean, that's why they were

805
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: the seventh scoring defense in the NFL. And by the way,

806
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: you play sixteen games, right, Paul, so six of them

807
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: are within the division. That means ten opponents had nothing

808
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: to do with the a f C. So how can

809
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: the numbers be skewed that much if the overwhelming majority

810
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: of your games are not against the a f C

811
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: East opponents? Well, only to be fair the seven against

812
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, six against the Bills, all right, those are

813
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: both thirteen against the Jets and ten against the Vikings,

814
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: all right. They beat the Vikes to ten, twelve against

815
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: the Bills, three against the Jets. So five out of

816
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: the six times when they held teams to less than

817
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: two touchdowns they were in their own division. So that

818
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: actually does hold a little bit of water there. But

819
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with with holding the Vikings to ten,

820
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: or holding Pittsburgh to seventeen, or holding even Green Bay

821
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: they beat the Pack, nothing wrong with that. Uh again, well,

822
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: and and their average numbers, just to make sure you

823
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: understand that charity to twenty seven point three points four

824
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: fourth best in the NFL. Twenty point three points against

825
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: seventh best in the NFL. He's selling the Patriots short,

826
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. And he's and he's definitely

827
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: selling Belichick short because when it comes to game planning

828
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,959
Speaker 1: and scheming during the week to get ready for Sunday's game,

829
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: come on, there's nobody you want to have other than him.

830
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: Their game plan fluctuates week to week unlike any other team.

831
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: But the other day when they unveiled the zero blitz

832
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: at a critical time in the game, they hadn't shown

833
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: it all game and they saved it for one key

834
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: moment and they stopped Mahomes on the play. Chick knows

835
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: what he's doing. Well. I was on Series x M

836
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: NFL Radio this morning with David Deal and Mike DeVito,

837
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: former Jet former chief was on the show and he

838
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: prepared for the Patriots all the time that he's with

839
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: the Jets, and he said, I mean, there would be

840
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: weeks that we would go into a game we think

841
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: we were all studied up, and then the Patriots would

842
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: throw us things that we've never seen before. I mean

843
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: that those were I'm paraphrasing his words, but I mean

844
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Hill. If you think that he's

845
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: gonna go into the super Bowl with the Kansas City

846
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: game plan, then I don't think you've watched the Patriots

847
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: long enough. He's going to throw new wrinkles that the Rams. Look,

848
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: Charlie had one thing right. If the Rams can run

849
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 1: the ball with those two running backs, okay, it certainly

850
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: enhances their chances greatly. But but other than that, everything

851
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: else he said was just totally antipatriot and skewed. He

852
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: wasn't giving them any credit whatsoever, and that's just not fair. Look,

853
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: I haven't decided to I think is going to win

854
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: this game, but I can tell you I'm certainly leaning

855
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: towards the Patriots. I mean, and that's no shock. I

856
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 1: don't know what Vegas is saying these days, but I

857
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: got a hunch that they're probably favored. I mean, I

858
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: never let Vegas dictate what I feel about. But I

859
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying is I I suspect the majority

860
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: of people believe that the Patriots are going to win.

861
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: I would expect most people to assume that given the

862
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: fact that, as I mentioned, New England was the most

863
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: balanced team with the exception of the Saints remaining in

864
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: the top four, the Saints of the Patriots were the

865
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: much more balanced teams than the Rams and the Chiefs.

866
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: If you go based on statistics and what transpired in

867
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: the regular season, Patriots are still a much more balanced

868
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: team than the Rams. Patriots are favored according to CBS

869
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: Sports dot Com. Nothing wrong with that site, right, that's

870
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: a legitimate site. Two point five points, Patriots by two

871
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: point five over under his fifty seven and a half.

872
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: And that's as far as we're going to talk about

873
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: in terms of those numbers things, because that's not something

874
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: that we deal with here. But obviously the experts believe

875
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: that the Patriots are favored by approximately a field goal.

876
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: So I don't think we're crazy to sit here and

877
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: tell Charlie that if he thinks the Patriots are getting

878
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: blown out, he is in the minority. Before we head

879
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: back to the phone lines at two four or five

880
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: one three. Here's an interesting nugget related to the Giants

881
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: as we tie that into what's going on in the NFL.

882
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, former Giants defensive coordinator and

883
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: interim head coach Steve Spagnolo has emerged as the favorite

884
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: to replace Bob Sutton, who has just let go as

885
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: the Chief's defensive coordinator. Love to see it. Spags belongs

886
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: in this league, and Spats has ties to Philadelphia going

887
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: back to the Andy Read days, so that's not necessarily

888
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: a surprise. And from what Spaggs has said just in

889
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: a public forum was that he was looking forward to

890
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: taking the year off because he did a lot of

891
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: work with NFL films and after a year off certainly

892
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: wanted to delve back into the thicket thing. So that

893
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: would be to me a really nice ad for the

894
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. And they also play with the foreman front,

895
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: which is what and Spags also has Chris Jones to

896
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: work with, justin Houston d Ford, which is familiar personnel

897
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: in previous Yes, no, that's true, that's that's a a

898
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: valid point. But they got the workhorses. I guess is

899
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: they do have a press corners out there, and that's

900
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: an area that they got to work on, by the

901
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: way they do, because the secondary certainly came back to them.

902
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: They in addition to not touching Tom Brady no sacks

903
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: one quarterback kid. But I just wanted to throw that

904
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: out there. This is according TSPNS out of chef. All right,

905
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: let's head back to the lines. Jose is in Orlando. Jose,

906
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Big Blue Kickoff Live. What do you

907
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: have for us? How you guys doing, Hi? Do well? Hey?

908
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: What's on your mind? Oh? Man, man, I haven't bought

909
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: to you guys in a long time, so hap people

910
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: late in New Year. I'm just listening in on that

911
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: whole conversation with Charlie and let's just laugh and we

912
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: all need to take our medication after that one. Look,

913
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: if he needs some hard liquor, that's even better. If

914
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: Charlie really wants to get rich, uh, you know, he

915
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: can certainly put his money where his mouth is. I'll

916
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: tell you that he can't. Oh my goodness, Yeah, I

917
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: just you know, you know, as a Giants fan for

918
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: many many years, he should know better too. I mean,

919
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick has been taking away weapons in playoffs for years,

920
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: even dating back to when we played the Powerhouse the

921
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: Running shoot Bills back in the Super Bowl. How we

922
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: just shut down that offense better knowing better and Charlie

923
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: in the same sentences in mon Okay. So you've got

924
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: to take that into consideration. But anyway, I didn't mean

925
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: to uh interject in your dissertation. Yes, no, no, no, no, no,

926
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: it's all it's all good lends. So you know, listening

927
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: to what you guys are saying earlier about you know,

928
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl and you know, ah, our partner, get

929
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: our kicker, getting mobbed by fans and stuff like that,

930
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: you also have to understand, guys. I mean, being from

931
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: Florida in the native New York and now you know,

932
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: living down here in Orlando, New York, Uh Orlando especially,

933
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: it's like New York South, So there's tons and tons

934
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: of Giants fans. I mean, everybody from New York is

935
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: gonna come and move down here eventually. Jose. You know

936
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: what I do notice whenever I've been on road trips

937
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: with the Giants and they've gone to Miami or Jack's

938
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: Inville or Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay. Especially that becomes a

939
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: Giants home game in Tampa. It really does. Oh, absolutely,

940
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: this year, I'll be there. I'll be there. This here

941
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: you go. It's gonna be awesome. It was like a

942
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,479
Speaker 1: home game. You're right about that, Paul. But I wanted

943
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: to famous scenario with you guys, and and just just

944
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: to humor me, because I know as a Giants ran

945
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: for many, many years, I've rarely seen the Giants trade up,

946
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: only in the second round when we got Landon Collins

947
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: and we traded into into the second round to get him. Um.

948
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: As far as the first round, I don't see the

949
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: Giants a usually a stay where they are best player

950
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: available type guys when they pick. And I'm just curious

951
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. And it's all gonna dictate first

952
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: and foremost obviously on what Eli is gonna happen. I'm

953
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: gonna do. I I firmly believe that Eli is gonna

954
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: come back for another year at least um hopefully maybe

955
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: at he'll give us a hometown discount or somewhere we

956
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: can use that money for other things. But my next qute,

957
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: my question, my scenario is if the Giants don't go

958
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: along free agency and pick up like it's Heady Bridgewater.

959
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: Who if they do go that route, That's what I'm

960
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: leaning towards. I'm not big Unfolds, although he's great in

961
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I just feel he's a product of the system.

962
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: But that's another conversation. But as far as the draft,

963
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: I know that Tommy Coughlin, I love Tommy Coughlin. You

964
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: know he's sitting below at that Jaguars and he will

965
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: trade up to jump in front of us. I know

966
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: that for a fact. Now, my question is the Giants

967
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: eventually are going to have to either trade up either

968
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: this year if they're serious about their quarterback or just

969
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: want to stay where they're at, getting offensive linement or

970
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. I won't be mad at that either. But

971
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: next year, if they don't get a young quarterback, they're

972
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: gonna have to trade up eventually because I think that

973
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: their record is gonna be better next year than this year.

974
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: What do you guys think about that scenario? Well, and

975
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: I'll take this off the line, appreciate the I think

976
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: once we get closer to the combine and into the draft,

977
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: we will talk to the guys who do this for

978
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: a living. But but I've heard early returns there could

979
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: be as many as four or five first round quarterbacks

980
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: and next year's draft. So even if the Giants are

981
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: down in the twenty vicinity, with the number of young

982
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who have come into this league over the last

983
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: couple of years, you may still be able to get

984
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: one of those guys at number twenty, to be perfectly

985
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: honest with you, or you may not have to go

986
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: up that far to get one. And as far as

987
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: this year is concerned, the Giants are number six. Honestly,

988
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: there are no quarterbacks in this draft worth the sixth pick,

989
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: and certainly not worth anything higher than that. If Tom

990
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: Coflin wants to trade up at number seven to go

991
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,479
Speaker 1: ahead of the Giants to go get a quarterback, he's

992
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: welcome to do so, because there's really no reason to

993
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: do it. Well. First of all, I don't think Tom

994
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: Coughlin's motivation is going to be to move up just

995
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: for the sake of moving past the Giants. But his

996
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: scenario was about Coughlin jumping you. I don't know what

997
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: to do, but I thought maybe part of what he

998
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: was alluding to, And forgive Mi Jose, if I'm putting

999
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: words in your mouth. Was also maybe him trying to

1000
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: get back at in order. I don't think it has anything.

1001
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 1: I think if he desperately wants to get a QB

1002
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: and he thinks that Haskins or were one of these

1003
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: other guys is really worth it, he may try to

1004
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: go up. I don't think it has anything to do

1005
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: with the general. Well, if you're looking it through that lens,

1006
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I think he'd be foolish

1007
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: to do it. But all I'm saying is he has

1008
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: to be willing to move up if they obviously think

1009
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: highly of a guy like Dwayne Haskins. Because outside of Haskins,

1010
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: I don't think you need to move up to grab

1011
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: any of the other quarterbacks, So he probably don't. You

1012
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: may not, depending on what happens with his stock, depending

1013
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: on what happens with Kyler Murray and perhaps his emergence.

1014
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. We you know, we've got to really

1015
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: see what happens with the combine the interviews, the workouts. Remember,

1016
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: stocks rise and fall between now and the draft, So

1017
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: a guy could be real hot right now coming out

1018
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: of college, Paul, and then all of a sudden, the

1019
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: narrative and the conversation changes. A lot will change. I mean,

1020
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: for example, listen, I was very on Baker Mayfield. I

1021
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: think a lot of people were high on Baker Mayfield.

1022
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't think everybody anticipated that the Browns is gonna

1023
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: take him with the number one overall pick. That that

1024
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: was a shock. That's an example of something may come

1025
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: to fruition that we never anticipated. But let's look at

1026
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: his last question before we head back to the phone lines.

1027
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: And I think it's a fair question if the Giants

1028
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: do not draft a quarterback this year, and perhaps they

1029
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: leave it for next year to perhaps draft a quarterback.

1030
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: And when I say draft a quarterback, meaning you use

1031
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: a first round pick for a quarterback because they've drafted

1032
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: quarterbacks before, let's at least be fair. So let's say

1033
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: they wait till next year, and if you do have

1034
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: to move up because maybe you anticipate the team finishing

1035
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: better the Rams. Let's not forget the Rams were fifteen.

1036
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: They moved up to one to draft Jared Goff. So

1037
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: it can be done, I guess, is my point. My

1038
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: point is you can wind up being a teen pick

1039
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: or maybe even lower teams high twenties and still have

1040
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: enough assets to move up. Nobody's you gotta get the

1041
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: number one overall pick. But if you want to get

1042
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: a top five pick, it can be done. It's not

1043
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: as if that's impossible. I think a lot of people

1044
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: think once you pick low, there's no way you can

1045
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: move up. If you have the right assets, you can

1046
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: put a combination to those factors together, just like the

1047
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: Rans did. We don't know a how many picks the

1048
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: Giants will have in never mind where they're going to be.

1049
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: We don't know how many they're gonna have, and that

1050
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: could be determined by a number of things. Do they

1051
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: make trades with either their current roster or some of

1052
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 1: their current picks to acquire some more collateral, that's certainly

1053
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,479
Speaker 1: a possibility. Then you've got the other thing too, where

1054
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: with free agency. I don't think the Giants are gonna

1055
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: be huge players in free agency this year. I think

1056
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna be players, but not huge. You never know

1057
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: what the compensatory picks are going to bring. Like this year,

1058
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: we're assuming, based on estimates, they're gonna get a four

1059
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: and a five as bonus picks. I just don't think though,

1060
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: that's enough to get into the first round is one

1061
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: of no, no, no. But here's the point. I'm not

1062
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: saying that itself does it, but that in combination with

1063
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: whatever it else is you have, it can be used

1064
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: in a package deal. It can always be used in

1065
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: the package deal. You can always package picks together to

1066
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: to to move up some degree. So we don't know

1067
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: any of this right now, And quite honestly, Landing Collins

1068
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: is a high priority free agent to me, and I

1069
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: think all of us believe that he'll likely be back here.

1070
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: The Giants certainly can tag him. Why why why wouldn't

1071
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: that happen? But let's just say, for whatever reason that

1072
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, and somebody outside absolutely goes bonkers and decides

1073
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: they have to have Landing Collins, and they give him

1074
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: a brink struck, and the Giants decide, you know what,

1075
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: that is just way too much. We're gonna we're gonna

1076
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: part with him. Well, trust me, that's gonna to really

1077
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: weigh into into the compensatory formula, and the Giants will

1078
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: wind up getting themselves a sweetheart pick in a Landing

1079
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: Colins situation. I'm not saying they should do that, by

1080
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: the way, folks, these don't get me wrong. But if

1081
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: that does happen, they'll there'll be some reparations for that.

1082
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm just looking up the Jared Goff trade just to

1083
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: use that as a barometer of what you'd have to

1084
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: give up. I say, if you had the fifteenth overall

1085
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: pick over pick and you're trying to get to number

1086
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: one and so forth. So Tennessee received the following. They

1087
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: got the Rams first round pick. This is two thousand sixteen,

1088
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: so they swapped first rounders. They then got two second

1089
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: round picks in two thousand sixteen, a third round pick

1090
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: also in two thousand sixteen, a first round pick in

1091
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen, and another third round pick in two

1092
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen. So you could give up just hypothetically, you

1093
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: could swap your first rounders next year and then potentially

1094
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: still have to give up the first rounder from two

1095
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: thousand now to one. Correct, I was taking up one

1096
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: again based on the quarterback class that we are told

1097
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: is coming out. You won't have to go all the

1098
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: way up to number one to get one of these

1099
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: blue chippers. Mean, listen, we'll see right now. You just

1100
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: don't know how the stocks are going to play. That's

1101
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: all I'm saying, I mean, there may be a hot

1102
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: commodity that rises up. We got another college football season

1103
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: to get through, too, we do that, So we do

1104
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we get ahead of ourselves to

1105
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: discredit the value of the future quarterback class. All I'm

1106
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: saying is is that you can move up, but you're

1107
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: gonna have to give up assets. And sure the Rams case,

1108
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: they had to give up two first rounders and a

1109
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: lot more. And of course, you never know, you could

1110
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: always substitute a pick or two if there's somebody that

1111
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: as well. I don't think that's a stretch, so I

1112
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't worry too much about it. Don't lose any sleep

1113
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: on this one, trust me. Well, there's a variety of

1114
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: ways to acquire a quarterback. It can be done. I

1115
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: think that's the whole purpose of the dialogue. In the conversation.

1116
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the phone lines. Antonio is in Manhattan, Antonio,

1117
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey, what's going on? Guys? I know you

1118
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: guys are ending the show almost so I just have

1119
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: a question for Fall because he mentioned that next year,

1120
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, we might get a draftic quarterback into twenties.

1121
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: At that point, do you really want to get a

1122
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: quarterback abound, and he's like, has there been a quarterback

1123
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: that's panned out that's been in the twenties and NFL recently?

1124
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 1: The question I I have not gone through the numbers

1125
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: to indicate that. But here's what I'm trying to tell you.

1126
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: I think that you have a lot of young quarterbacks

1127
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: who have come into this league over the last few years.

1128
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of turnover, and so I don't

1129
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: necessarily think that the demand for a first round quarterback

1130
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: will be as great as it's been in the last

1131
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 1: couple of years. And when you combine the lower demand

1132
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: with what is supposed to be a good quarterback class. Look,

1133
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: what if I what if I said to you, you're

1134
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: gonna pick at number twenty and again, there are four

1135
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: or five first round quarterbacks available. Chances are one or

1136
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: two of them is gonna get to you. That's all

1137
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm just trying to play the odds here

1138
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: based on law of supplying demand. And that's a rough

1139
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: sketch based on preliminary things that we've been told. Now,

1140
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: another thing was that is, you know, we're if we're

1141
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: writing with ELI next year and we're trying to you know,

1142
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: build a team on Eli to make the playoffs. We're

1143
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: not gonna be picking twenty. So you know, that's another

1144
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: problem that we're facing right now, like we have to

1145
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: strike right now. Well, we're as high as we can

1146
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: to just try to get the best TB is available

1147
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: in this dress. Well, but that that also could be

1148
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: viewed as stretching though. I mean, if the quarterbacks are

1149
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: not good overall, then you don't just try to pick

1150
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback simply because you're picking high. I mean, I

1151
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: don't think that philosophy makes any sense, especially if these

1152
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are not in the same conversation as last year's class.

1153
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: You know, then not to me is also being a

1154
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: quarterback that stands out and puts himself at number one

1155
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: and each year. But that doesn't mean that that quarterback

1156
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: is going to beat the past years and stuff like that.

1157
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, we're desperate at this point.

1158
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: We have Eli Manny in potentially I think it's only

1159
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: last year, so we're desperate right now. And to say otherwise,

1160
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be right to say that

1161
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: we're not desperate. And I'll hear your response off the

1162
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: line guy to have a good one, Okay, shade the

1163
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: folk call. I mean I would not necessarily say the

1164
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: Giants are desperate. I think anytime you label yourself as desperate,

1165
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: you wind up making the wrong decision. And the reason

1166
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 1: why I disagree you take a quarterback when you pick high.

1167
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: JaMarcus Russell was a high quarterback. So let's say it's

1168
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: JaMarcus Russell of this year's quarterback class. So you should

1169
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: just take him just because you pick high. No, you

1170
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: should maximize the value of the pick period based on

1171
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: that draft class. I never think that you should say

1172
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: to yourself, we've got to get a quarterback because Eli

1173
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: Manning may only have a year or two left. Yeah,

1174
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: do they have to think about a successor? They absolutely

1175
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: have to think about a successor, But I don't know

1176
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: if they're necessarily in dire need where they would then

1177
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: have to take a quarterback this year and all other

1178
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: options to acquire a quarterback or off the table moving

1179
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: forward well for example, And again that's this is why

1180
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: I I kind of resist the point that he tried

1181
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: to make about well can you get one in the twenties,

1182
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: because then you go back and you look at the stats,

1183
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: and then what does it really mean? But for example, uh,

1184
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: that Prescott was number one, thirty five in the fourth

1185
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: round and he says he's a competent starter fan. But okay,

1186
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: Jenny Bridgewater was number thirty two, Derek Carr was number

1187
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: thirty six. Garoppolo was sixty two. I mean, you know,

1188
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: can you get one in the twenties, Yeah, you can.

1189
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: But I mean, uh, there's always gonna be outliers. And

1190
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: of course we've we've all talked about the fact that

1191
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: Montana was so low and Brady was so low, and

1192
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: I mean, well, the percentages are low, said he was

1193
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: one of the did you mention Russell? And Andy Dalton

1194
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: was a second round pick at thirty five. Now, I

1195
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,959
Speaker 1: mean the point is we I understand because the counter

1196
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: to what you and I are saying is well, those

1197
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: are still a low percentage of quarterbacks that pan out.

1198
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm not disagreeing with that, but you can obtain a quarterback.

1199
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: Nobody says that you have to take a quarterback with

1200
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: a top five pick in order to walk away with

1201
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback. I mean, I'm gonna throw out of

1202
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 1: name and I understand Teddy Bridge order suffer the injury,

1203
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: Bridge Ord was the thirty second overall pick. If he

1204
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: stays healthy, we don't know exactly the trajectory of his career.

1205
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson was just taken Paul by the Baltimore Rain

1206
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: way too early to tell how he's gonna pan out,

1207
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: but he was a late first round pick, by the

1208
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: way Aaron Rodgers was twenty four. There's another example. I mean,

1209
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: you say that, right, that's the point. To say that

1210
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: you can and that it's impossible is wrong. You know,

1211
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: everything depends on the individual circumstances and that given season,

1212
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: you honestly can't just make a broadbrush statement and say, well,

1213
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: we're not gonna get one. It can't be done. That's

1214
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: just foolish. You can't do that. The law of supply

1215
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,959
Speaker 1: and demand really comes into play here more than anything else.

1216
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,479
Speaker 1: It's how many teams badly need one and are willing

1217
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: to make that their first round choice, compared to how

1218
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: many first round value quarterbacks are on the board. If

1219
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: there are three teams that think they've got to spend

1220
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: a first round or on a QB and there are

1221
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: five first round value quarterbacks on the board, guess what

1222
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: you'll get one In the twenties it's just that simple

1223
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: based on that math. Yeah, it's just it's simple math.

1224
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I still stand by the worst thing that

1225
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: you could do is reach where exactly we think we

1226
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: need a quarterback. Because Eli Manning is getting towards the

1227
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: last year of his contract. We pick in the top ten,

1228
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: We're not gonna pick in the top ten next year.

1229
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: Even though you can't predict the future, nor can you

1230
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: predict whether or not you'll have the ability to trade up,

1231
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: and then you get into dangerous territory. George Young used

1232
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: to say it, and it's funny because Dave Gettleman said

1233
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: it as well. And I've said so many times that

1234
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman reminds me of George Young, and that is

1235
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: you never go into the draft saying I must have X.

1236
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: You do that, you will push, you will over evaluate,

1237
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: You will make a mistake because you will absolutely force

1238
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: a guy higher than he needs to be. Let's head

1239
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,479
Speaker 1: back to the phone lines before we wrap up shop.

1240
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: Coach Marvin is in Delaware. Coach Marvin, what's happening? How

1241
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: you guys doing tough, tough conversations about how the track?

1242
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: It's uh, Terry, It takes a lot of luck. I

1243
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: hear what Paul was saying about you can get a

1244
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: guy at the money, and I can understand when the

1245
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: fans go it's it's it's a no win conversation. It

1246
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: really is, Marvin, You're absolutely right, it is a no win.

1247
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: It's like being a weather man. You can't guarantee it's

1248
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: gonna rain tomorrow. You can predict it. It may be logical,

1249
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: but you can't guarantee it. That's right. And this based

1250
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: on style um of the team, how that team is

1251
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: built around the guy Russell Wilson. He ended up running

1252
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: into a team that was very well built defensively. They

1253
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,919
Speaker 1: were a running team. And he went and he took

1254
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: a job and then fit him and that's why that works.

1255
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: Um Brady the same thing. He sat behind Um, he

1256
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: sat behind Bled, so he learned from them. They kept

1257
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: it simple when he got into the game. I lived

1258
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: at for seven years. I saw the pictures come from

1259
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: the ground into what they are now. Hey, coach, moment

1260
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: you know what else? And I don't mean to interrupt you,

1261
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: but I do want to make one point here that's

1262
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: relevant to what you just said, and that is, if

1263
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: you've got the running back and Barkley is the guy,

1264
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: and you got the receiver, and Beckham's the guy. And

1265
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: if you continue to build the offensive line, and now

1266
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: this year you continue to build the defense, guess what

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Speaker 1: you don't need to get the all universe quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the top five picks of the draft to win right, right, right,

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Speaker 1: and and and to and to go back on what

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Speaker 1: you just said, I got a picture for you, jack

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Speaker 1: Press Scott. He could have been any other system. The guy.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't do what he's doing. He's possibly did, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's doing what he's doing without the

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Speaker 1: offensive line and without Elliott, and certainly helps them, there's

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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. You take Elliott out of that

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Speaker 1: off that team, and he keeps the offer of some lines.

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Speaker 1: He does not play as well as he does when

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Speaker 1: they play access and when they run them. But coach Marvin,

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Speaker 1: I guess my point is, though I can really make

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Speaker 1: that case about most quarterbacks. You don't give them an

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Speaker 1: offensive line in a strong running game, most guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna struggle. There's very few that can overcome that. That's true.

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Speaker 1: There are something that can create on their own, there

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Speaker 1: are some, there are some that you can just have

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Speaker 1: a basic running game, and they can hold weight. Um,

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Speaker 1: Marino really didn't have a lot when he was player.

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Speaker 1: And and he you can have a team that can

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Speaker 1: run off the past. That's not impossible. It can be done.

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Speaker 1: You're right. But that line, that line held up Marino

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Speaker 1: pretty good. Now, Marvin, you know that. You you look

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Speaker 1: at it this way, you're right. You can be pedestrian

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Speaker 1: in the run game if your old line is really

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Speaker 1: good in pass pro. And that's about the only exception

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Speaker 1: to the rule. Right right, and and and and so

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a give a take. They pick him six,

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Speaker 1: if they in love with the quarterback that they hastive

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Speaker 1: is the guy, then you gotta go get him, because

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Speaker 1: you don't know if Jacksonsville is going to move up. Um,

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Speaker 1: if they think there's another guy other than him, take it,

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Speaker 1: sit where they are. If they take it Tom Murray

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Speaker 1: or get com you can go on this side. If

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Speaker 1: you put them with some mighty like back with Barkley

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Speaker 1: and back them in those guys, maybe you can't create something.

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Speaker 1: But we don't know until we see this combine and

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Speaker 1: see what gentleman must saying, and then we can make

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Speaker 1: the judgments. But waiting until two thousands, when I'm not

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Speaker 1: even think about because I think we made to drop

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Speaker 1: that conversation unless somebody's got a crystal ball to be

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Speaker 1: honest for it, and I'm with you, I'd rather not

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Speaker 1: deal with it either. But every once in a while

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Speaker 1: we get a call that wants to do that. So

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Yeah, I'm just playing. I

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Speaker 1: can live. I got free agency and a yeah, I understand.

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Speaker 1: We'll let you go on that note. Appreciate the phone call,

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for weighing it. Yeah, we gotta get

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Speaker 1: through free agency before we even get to agency, draft

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Speaker 1: and a season, and then we'll deal with two fair

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Speaker 1: enough alright. That is gonna wrap up the program. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate everybody for tune and then we'll be back up

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Speaker 1: and running again on Thursday at twelve pm Eastern, getting

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Speaker 1: you set for the Senior Bowl, the Pro Bowl, and

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