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Speaker 2: major breaking news. We're changing our entire show and we're

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Speaker 2: putting this up at the top. We have the breaking

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Speaker 2: news that happened literally as we were recording. Vice President

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris has chosen Governor Tim Walls of Minnesota as

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Speaker 2: her vice presidential pick for the Democratic nomination. So I'm

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Speaker 2: sure that Crystal's doing some backflips at home, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure she wishes that she was here on the show

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Speaker 2: with us. So Ryan, we got this breaking news. Governor

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Speaker 2: Walls really surged in the last forty eight hours or

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Speaker 2: so in the betting markets. There was a lot of speculation.

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Speaker 2: I personally thought it was going to be Governor Josh

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Speaker 2: Shapiro just because of the electoral calculus. But Tim Walls

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Speaker 2: here is a popular Minnesota governor Minnesota in the Midwest.

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Speaker 2: He coined the whole weird attack on Republicans. He was

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Speaker 2: the choice of organized Labor. There were also some late

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Speaker 2: breaking problems, it seems, with Governor Josh Shapiro and some

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Speaker 2: of the baggage that he may bring to the tickets.

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Speaker 2: So what do you make of the pick right now?

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Speaker 2: I know we've only had minutes of process.

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Speaker 1: It's stunning in the sense that it's something that makes

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Speaker 1: me happy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not used to that when it comes to Democratic Party politics.

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls was always represented a rural district in Minnesota

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Speaker 1: that became increasingly suburban over the time that he represented it.

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Speaker 1: But by twenty sixteen it swung like fifteen to twenty

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Speaker 1: points for Trump, and he held it rather comfortably, not

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Speaker 1: totally comfortably, but comfortably for a Democrat. And he did

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Speaker 1: not do so by tacking right like the classic Democratic

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Speaker 1: blue dog of old. He did it by championing kind

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Speaker 1: of populist values, like his first ad for Congress was

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Speaker 1: talking about how due to his military service he lost

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Speaker 1: a lot of his hearing. He was able to get

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Speaker 1: medical treatment that was able to restore his hearing. And

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Speaker 1: one morning he woke up and he asked his wife,

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Speaker 1: what is that sound, And he said, that's that's my daughter.

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Speaker 3: That's your daughter laughing wow.

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Speaker 1: And he said she'd been waking up giggling every morning,

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Speaker 1: but he had not been able to hear her. And

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Speaker 1: he finishes the ad by saying, like, every father should

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Speaker 1: be able to hear their children child's laugh in the morning.

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Speaker 3: Everyone should have that kind of access to healthcare.

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Speaker 1: And so that's the kind of populism that pushes forward

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Speaker 1: a kind of leftist agenda that people have been like

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Speaker 1: crying out for. That that's arguing like, that's why Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders was able to appeal so well to people who

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Speaker 1: and rather than sounding weird like a social justice warrior

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Speaker 1: entire Democratic Party kind of think that that is electorally

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Speaker 1: beneficial suggests something interesting going on.

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Speaker 3: With the party.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's think then a little bit about how this

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Speaker 2: was Josh Shapiro's to lose.

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Speaker 3: Can we put B two please up on the screen?

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Speaker 2: This was former Speaker Nancy Pelosi yesterday was on CNN.

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Speaker 2: Asked about the problems with Governor Josh Shapiro, and they said,

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Speaker 2: just a stem from anti Semitism. She says, I think

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Speaker 2: it's probably more about policy, but the decision will be

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Speaker 2: made by our candidate for potus. I think that it

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Speaker 2: would be better if they weighed in more privately.

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Speaker 3: Clearly, she's throwing her weight behind Tim Walls.

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Speaker 2: Reportedly we had brought that to everybody on our show

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Speaker 2: on Monday. Tim Wall's a former House colleague, helped make

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Speaker 2: But I'm also just thinking a little bit about here

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Speaker 2: I think that the Israel stuff obviously contributed to the decision,

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Speaker 2: let's not forget that organized labor played a role here,

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Speaker 2: including here with Nancy Pelosi's pick. Right, So and her support,

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Speaker 2: not only personally, you had the charter school issue, which

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Speaker 3: So give us a sense of, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, like why Kamala might have picked Tim Walls over

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's it. It takes some guts to pick

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Speaker 1: Extremely talented politician too, like, very well liked in Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 1: and there was some analysis has said that he might

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Speaker 1: the charter school thing doesn't make him a huge fan

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Speaker 1: of doesn't make the teachers' unions huge fans of him.

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Speaker 1: I think I think it was more this murder suicide

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Speaker 3: So what's going on with.

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Speaker 1: That when he was attorney general. Some it's very very complicated.

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Speaker 1: People can go read it, but it's now in the

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Supreme Court just now coincidentally, brutal timing for Shapiro.

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Speaker 1: But basically, there was a somebody died, a woman who

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Speaker 1: His office ruled it a suicide for years, with the

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Speaker 3: People say that some.

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Speaker 1: Of the wounds that she had in the back of

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Speaker 1: that possibly be a suicide? But get getting too deep

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Speaker 1: into these details, is you're you're gonna, you're gonna, You're

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Speaker 3: It's a Shapiro and Shapiro ties them.

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Speaker 1: But then his defenders were saying, well, this is this

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Speaker 1: same Hebrew schools. You're saying that therefore anybody who went

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Speaker 1: it's a giant mess. Yeah, it's a mess, nobody. And

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Speaker 2: I know these things sound stupid, Remember, guys, we want

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Speaker 2: got ninety some days to the election. You don't waste

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Speaker 2: Minnisota was not a layup, well yes and no, but

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean Kamala was up by six, you know,

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Speaker 2: I was talking with him and he's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: which he barely lost him in twenty sixteen. When we

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Speaker 2: think about the electoral map. I also thought some very

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Speaker 2: interesting analysis, which is that my theory of the election

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Speaker 2: the whole Pennsylvania two hundred and seventy plus one electoral

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Speaker 2: Democratic coalition, picking somebody like a Tim Wallas who gets

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Speaker 2: just playing weird that's all they are.

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Speaker 2: I'll say, I'm sure we'll have many fights over weirdness

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Speaker 2: rate that's Biden won in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: That's really why Joe Biden won the race.

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Speaker 2: So you pick like the quintessential white dude from the

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Speaker 2: which is as American as can be. And you make him,

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Speaker 3: These are the they use.

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Speaker 2: People are rich, they have a lot of money, they

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Speaker 3: And I think two things on that.

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Speaker 1: One is it in the Sunbelt and in Georgia, a

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, everything is national like this, this idea that

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Speaker 1: This was the this was the check that the Framers

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Speaker 2: welcome to the race, Tim Walls, Let's make sure America

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Speaker 3: I don't know anything about that. I guess I'll have

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Speaker 3: In the House.

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Speaker 3: Like maybe we can bleer whatever. You know, who knows

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Speaker 1: You know, the knock on from political consultants and knock

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Speaker 2: Coming back to ambition, I think that's what it has

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Speaker 3: And I think with Walls, it's very possible that they

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Speaker 2: You know, this is these are two people. They meshed well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Shapiro didn't go on air like Tim Walls did,

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Speaker 1: He didn't go on to lot and he's he's really

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Speaker 2: People were like, how ironic is that? I r l

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Speaker 2: he is probably a far better camp. I mean, so

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Speaker 3: Would have run against Biden. No, he would Phillips crush him. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Who would have thought that the Minnesota Democrat who would

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Speaker 1: Last wee we've talked about this with Emily on Counterpoints.

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Speaker 1: I was rammed through enormous amounts of right wing legislation.

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Speaker 2: Also, the Democratic Party there called like the farm Democratic

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Speaker 2: But most people don't. They don't pay attention to as

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Speaker 2: much as this, and I don't blame them. They should

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Speaker 2: be living their lives doing something else. So I guess

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Speaker 2: the thing that we can zoom out and say a

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Speaker 2: couple of things. Number one, kay my big one Kama

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Speaker 2: theory of victory very different and how I originally envisioned it.

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Speaker 2: And that's very interesting to me because maybe they have

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Speaker 2: some data points. You know, everyone's saying that this is

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Speaker 2: very online. I don't know it's possible, but I think

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Speaker 2: these people really want to win. I mean, that's that's

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Speaker 2: actually what I have taken away from the last couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks. I'm like, oh, these people are playing to win.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna win on vibes and maybe, yeah, maybe Harris

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Speaker 1: can dodge doing any interviews.

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Speaker 3: I think she can forever putting walls out totally. Hey,

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Speaker 3: why do you want to hear from me? You got this?

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Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking, is you put the number

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Speaker 2: two out there and you're like, what, our campaign has

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Speaker 2: been the most transparent in history. And everybody's like, hey, lady,

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Speaker 2: what do you believe? Do you believe anything literally at all?

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Speaker 1: Let's see if she can do an entire eight year Oh,

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Speaker 1: let's not forget this right.

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Speaker 2: We don't even have a debate right now on the schedule.

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Speaker 2: Trump is like, I'll be at the Fox News debate.

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Speaker 2: Kamala says she'll be at the ABC debate.

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Speaker 3: Are we aven going to get a single one?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And Tim Wallas go debate. Hopefully we'll get a JD

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Speaker 2: Vance versus Tim Wallas debate. I would enjoy seeing that,

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Speaker 2: actually the guy who coined weird versus the person who

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Speaker 2: allegedly is weird.

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Speaker 3: My own bias the side. I'd like to see JD

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Speaker 3: clean as clock. But we'll see.

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Speaker 2: What else can we think about Josh Shapiro, It was

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Speaker 2: his to lose. He based loss Mark Kelly. Yeah, what

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Speaker 2: a disaster too for him. I mean, look, all these

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Speaker 2: people will be loyal. This is a gamble. I do

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Speaker 2: think it is a gamble. She didn't pick the quote

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Speaker 2: unquote save choice. A lot of the right wing reaction

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Speaker 2: is that this was a bad pick. Only time will tell.

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Speaker 2: There's just no way to say immediately in the moment

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Speaker 2: it could be brilliant. Honestly, it could cement that theory

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Speaker 2: of victory for where she goes. I am telling Republicans, though,

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Speaker 2: do not underestimate these people, because I just think every

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Speaker 2: choice that they have made in the last sixteen days,

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Speaker 2: from you know, not agreeing to interviews, to disavowing everything,

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Speaker 2: to running basically on nothing except I'm not Trump and

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Speaker 2: I'm not Joe Biden. I hate to say that, it

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Speaker 2: is it is the very viable path to.

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Speaker 1: The Poles kept saying generic Democrats beat Trump, and they

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Speaker 1: went and found that's true.

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Speaker 2: And so anyway, I think also, I mean, let's not

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Speaker 2: let's not whitewash this. The media is on these people's side.

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Speaker 2: You know, the media doesn't even care. They don't even

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, interviews, you don't need to do that,

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Speaker 2: that's fine.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And so they're gonna make Tim Wallace the next Jesus Christ,

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Speaker 2: you know, and it's Republicans they'll scream about it.

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Speaker 3: But that's not how it works, guys.

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Speaker 2: You actually have to really run something, you gotta you

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Speaker 2: need to see a lot more discipline, I think too

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Speaker 2: from Trump. You know, what did I just talk about here,

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Speaker 2: Ryan that their theory of victory could be different. Well,

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Speaker 2: maybe attacking Brian Camp in the middle of that new

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Speaker 2: theory of victory maybe not such a good idea, huh,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily the one I want to be running on

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Speaker 2: whatever I see such a massive change joined I am

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Speaker 2: seeing a report here that Tim Wallace will be at

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Speaker 2: that rally in Philadelphia. Man, that sucks to be Josh Shapiro.

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Speaker 2: To have your rival anointed in your city, that's rough.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that he'll get some. He'll you have some,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Also, if Kamala and Walls lose, right, Shapiro's well positioned.

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Speaker 3: Great.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, if you are Josh, now you are the

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Speaker 2: number one out of.

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Speaker 3: This whole process. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And Whitmer too. Oh, she's kind of kept a low

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Speaker 2: profile recently. I guess it'll be a battle between the

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Speaker 2: two of them. So anyway, that's our snap interesting analysis.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys will have a show tomorrow so

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Speaker 2: you can break down everything and kind of tell us

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Speaker 2: about maybe Tim Wallas's.

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Speaker 3: Speech, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: But let's get to the rest of the show that

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Speaker 2: we were recording previously before this news broke. Terrible news

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Speaker 2: out yesterday evening. Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: US personnel wounded in this attack against the US base

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Speaker 2: in so the details are actually a very scant unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: it just says at least five US personnel were injured

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Speaker 2: in this attack against a military base, US officials said,

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Speaker 2: as the Middle East braces for a possible new wave

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Speaker 2: of attacks by Iran and its allies following last week's

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Speaker 2: killing of senior members of a militant groups by Hamas

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Speaker 2: and has Bola. There were two Katusha rockets that were

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Speaker 2: fired and a Lasad air base in western Iraq, according

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Speaker 2: to two Iraqi officials. Iraqi security sources said that rockets

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Speaker 2: fell inside the base. It was quote unclear whether this

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Speaker 2: was linked to attacks by Iran. The Iranian connected group

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Speaker 2: katub has Bulah in Iraq Ryan has claimed responsibility for

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Speaker 2: the attack. And the big question remains, is this the

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Speaker 2: precursor to a larger movement by the Iranian regime in

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Speaker 2: response to both the United States and to Israel after

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Speaker 2: that assassination of the Hamas leader in the middle of Tehran.

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Speaker 2: But as of now, the region continues to boil, and

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Speaker 2: this is just the first sign perhaps of what's the cop.

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Speaker 1: And it's a good sign of how inflamed the region

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Speaker 1: is that you can't tell whether these types of attacks

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Speaker 1: actually presage part of the cooming Iranian retaliation or are

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Speaker 1: just part of the bubbling conflagration that has been kicked

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Speaker 1: off since October seventh. You also had has been launched

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Speaker 1: some drone attacks on the north of Israel. Again, are

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Speaker 1: those just the repetitions of attacks that have been happening

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Speaker 1: for weeks and months now, or does this presage something bigger.

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Speaker 1: You also don't know whether or not Iran directed this

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Speaker 1: Iraqi militia to attack this US base or gave a

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Speaker 1: green light to it. And one problem that Israel is

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Speaker 1: walking itself into through its assassination campaign, which the US

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Speaker 1: is also involved in the sense that they also assassinated

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Speaker 1: cost Some Solomoni so Kausa. Solomoni was the guy that

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Speaker 1: basically had a lock on all of these militias across

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Speaker 1: across the region.

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Speaker 3: It became a boogeyman. Trump assassinated him.

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Speaker 1: After that, the grip that the Iranians had on all

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Speaker 1: of these proxies is loosened just a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Like that's how that's how organizations work.

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Speaker 1: When you have such a kind of charismatic leader putting

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Speaker 1: things he'd be you know, for decades, he'd been putting

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Speaker 1: this structure together. Then you get a new guy in place,

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Speaker 1: he gets assassinated.

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Speaker 3: Each time. The grip that Iran has on these proxies

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Speaker 3: loosens a little bit. And maybe you'd say, well, that's a.

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Speaker 1: Good thing, because Iran is evil and they're doing dastardly

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Speaker 1: things with these proxies. These proxies have their own capacity,

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Speaker 1: and so cutting the leash might not actually be to

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Speaker 1: the benefit of the US or or to Israel, because

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Speaker 1: now we don't even know for sure, is this Iraqi

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Speaker 1: militia now just fed up at Iran's inability to protect

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Speaker 1: the leaders of the access of resistance.

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Speaker 2: That is a very difficult thing, is we have no

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Speaker 2: ideas is directed by the regime or not. I mean, regardless,

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Speaker 2: we have five guys who were injured. Don't forget we

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Speaker 2: had three US service members who were killed in that

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Speaker 2: base in Jordan on the Syrian border. It does, of

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Speaker 2: course raise the question of why are all these people

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Speaker 2: over there exactly in the American troops wire American hurt

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Speaker 2: in Iraq as members in Iraq. Yeah, in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: more than twenty one years after the initial invasion. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: maybe somebody should be asking that question. Of course, most

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Speaker 2: people just continue to go on with their lives.

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Speaker 3: Versus Syria, and for that matter, about this. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean Syria, that's a whole other one more than they're

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Speaker 3: not getting. Where is that Afghanist? Oh right? Oh, because

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Speaker 3: we're not there? Oh right, interesting, how that works? Right? Well?

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Speaker 2: You know, the U s Secretary of State, of course,

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Speaker 2: is very inspiring words and language. After US service members

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Speaker 2: have been confirmed to have been injured in this attack,

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Speaker 2: one apparently has been very seriously injured. Let's take a

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Speaker 2: listen to what Secretary of State Blincoln had to say.

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Speaker 5: A few words on the situation in the Middle East,

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Speaker 5: because it is a critical moment. We are engaged in

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Speaker 5: intense diplomacy pretty much round the clock with a very

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Speaker 5: simple message. All parties must refrain from escalation. All parties

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Speaker 5: must take steps to ease tensions. Escalation is not in

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Speaker 5: anyone's interests.

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Speaker 3: It will only lead.

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Speaker 5: To more conflict, more violence, more insecurity. It's also critical

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Speaker 5: that we break this cycle by reaching a ceasefire in

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Speaker 5: Gaza that in turn will unlock possibilities for more enduring

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Speaker 5: comm not only in Gaza itself, but in other areas

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Speaker 5: where the conflict could spread. So for the United States,

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Speaker 5: for many other countries, both in the region and beyond.

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Speaker 3: This is our focus, and what.

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Speaker 5: It comes down to really is all parties finding ways

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Speaker 5: to come to an agreement, not look.

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Speaker 3: For reasons to delay or to say no.

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Speaker 5: It is urgent that all parties make the right choices

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Speaker 5: in the hours and days ahead.

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Speaker 2: It is urgently must make the right choices in all

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Speaker 2: the days ahead, he says. As the US continues to

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Speaker 2: flood the region with US service members, let's put this

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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. This was the Iranians, Iranian

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Speaker 2: media taking responsibility and kind of touting this attack on

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Speaker 2: US troops. Two explosions reported near Iraq's allsat Arab Base,

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Speaker 2: which houses American service members. The IRGC says that Iran

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Speaker 2: backed militant groups have launched the rocket attack against the

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Speaker 2: US base. So the fact that the IRGC basically taking

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Speaker 2: responsibility for the attack does tell us a little bit

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Speaker 2: about at the very least, you know, they want to

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Speaker 2: appear connected.

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Speaker 3: President Biden reared.

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Speaker 2: His ugly head, as they some say, put this up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen, came out of nowhere. He's in

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Speaker 2: the dungeon in the White House to Situation Room tweeted

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Speaker 2: out this photo. He says earlier, the Vice President and

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Speaker 2: I were briefed in the Situation Room on developments in

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Speaker 2: the Middle East. We received updates on threats posed by

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Speaker 2: Iran and its proxies, diplomatic efforts to de escalate regional tensions,

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Speaker 2: and preparations to support Israel should it be attacked again.

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Speaker 2: Everybody really focus in on that one. We also discussed

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Speaker 2: the steps we are taking to defend our forces and

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Speaker 2: respond to any attack against our personnel in a manner

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Speaker 2: and a place of our choosing, So that is always

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Speaker 2: the Biden line. Of manner and a place of our

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Speaker 2: choosing doesn't mean very much, But what it does mean

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Speaker 2: is that there are significant US assets in the Middle East. Here.

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Speaker 2: We have actually a map. Let's put this up there.

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Speaker 2: Please just realize the sheer scale of everything that we

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Speaker 2: have here. From an amphibious group, the USS Roosevelt, the

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Speaker 2: US is Bulkelly. You've got the Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group

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Speaker 2: over there, the USS Russell, the USS Michael Murphy, the

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Speaker 2: USS Coal, the USS Laboon, all of that basically poised

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Speaker 2: all around the region. Also both in a place where

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Speaker 2: they can protect Israel. Should they need to to use

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Speaker 2: guided missile destroyers and other US assets to shoot down

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Speaker 2: anything incoming from Iran. You've also got them on the

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Speaker 2: other side, basically just hanging out right next to Iran.

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Speaker 2: Should they need to also interdict anything there? On top

656
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Speaker 2: of the continuing you know hoo they mission that happens

657
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Speaker 2: with Yemen. So the situation is not good. You've basically

658
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Speaker 2: got the entire you know, Middle East surrounded there by

659
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Speaker 2: US naval assets.

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Speaker 3: You don't even want to.

661
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Speaker 2: Know how much this one is costing us right minute,

662
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Speaker 2: every minute, every Yeah, I mean, this is what people

663
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Speaker 2: don't get in terms of the sheer dollars. Like just

664
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Speaker 2: think about that. You've got a US aircraft carrier alone.

665
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like a floating city. Do you know

666
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: how much money costs just to make it move a

667
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: single foot and now thousand feet and then feed everybody

668
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Speaker 2: on board and resupply this thing and keep it going,

669
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Speaker 2: you know, basically in continuum. And that's what we have

670
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Speaker 2: signed up for for the last ten months. I would

671
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Speaker 2: venture say it's probably cost north of over one hundred

672
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Speaker 2: billion dollars probably just in the last ten months. If

673
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: we think about continuous operations, we know that it costs

674
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Speaker 2: a billion dollars in a single day just to shoot

675
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: down those Iranian missiles on that were launched on Tel

676
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Speaker 2: Aviv or on Israel in retaliation for the embassy attack.

677
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, what do you think of this?

678
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Speaker 1: It's asymmetric because the weapons that the Iraqi militia or

679
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: Iran or Hesbalo or Hamas fire off are dirt cheap

680
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Speaker 1: compared to what we caught.

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Speaker 3: Same with the Houthis.

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Speaker 1: Hoothis are spending you know, in the in the thousands

683
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Speaker 1: of dollars you know for some of these rockets, and

684
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Speaker 1: are sometimes going after drones that are worth like millions

685
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Speaker 1: of dollars. It's the the asymmetry is completely unsustainable. Like it,

686
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Speaker 1: we can sustain it for a very long time, but

687
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Speaker 1: it's not indefinitely sustainable.

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Speaker 3: Now that was blinking comments.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people read his comments as directed largely

690
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Speaker 1: at Israel because Iran. The US can say what it

691
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Speaker 1: wants to Iran, and you know, we can, we can

692
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Speaker 1: offer carrots, we can offer sticks about what the response

693
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Speaker 1: is going to look like, but ultimately we don't have

694
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Speaker 1: an enormous amount of leverage over what Iran is going

695
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Speaker 1: to do. Right, we do have over what Israel is

696
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Speaker 1: going to do. But if you listen to Blincoln there

697
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Speaker 1: and you follow his body language, you would think that

698
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Speaker 1: we had zero leverage whatsoever, that we're we're just out

699
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: here after three days of not sleeping, just pleading with

700
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Speaker 1: net Yahoo to just please, please stop doing all this

701
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: stuff that you're doing. Please, it's not in anybody's interesting

702
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: And he keeps saying escalation is not in anybody's interests.

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Speaker 3: That assertion has.

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Speaker 1: Just been made over the last several months without being

705
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Speaker 1: backed up by evidence. There is increasing understanding among the

706
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Speaker 1: global diplomatic community that nen Yahoo and a lot of

707
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Speaker 1: elements of the Israeli government do actually believe that escalation

708
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Speaker 1: isn't in their interests, and not for any obviously rational

709
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Speaker 1: like here's how we're going to win a regional war

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Speaker 1: against Iran, but that the trajectory that they have put

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Speaker 1: themselves on due to their response to October seventh has

712
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: them headed towards international isolation and economic collapse internally, and

713
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Speaker 1: political collapse in anarchy and chaos. As we saw over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, and so therefore you need

715
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Speaker 1: to flip the table like that's that's that's the closest

716
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Speaker 1: that you get to a rational argument for why a

717
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: regional war would actually be in the interest of Israel.

718
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Speaker 1: That you need to just absolutely reset everything and then

719
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 1: sifting through the rubble and the ashes several years later,

720
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Speaker 1: maybe people will forget what happened in the months after.

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Speaker 2: It's basically the US nine to eleven strategy, which you

722
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Speaker 2: know they were warned repeatedly, but you know, in the moment,

723
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: it makes complete rational sense for BB Netanyahu to escalate, escalate, escalate,

724
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Speaker 2: escalate the war. You also have from the Financial Times

725
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Speaker 2: I just read this morning that the new president of

726
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: Iran says quote Iran will definitely retaliate against Israel for

727
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Speaker 2: the killing of Hania and said a response time for

728
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: crimes and insolence as the US continues to send its reinforcement.

729
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Speaker 2: So we are definitely on a trajectory yet, which is

730
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Speaker 2: not good right now.

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Speaker 3: People who don't have you followed this.

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Speaker 1: This is a new president who ran on closer ties

733
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Speaker 1: with the United States, I know, and Sontnya who's attack

734
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: on Honi inside Iran was understood to be a provocation

735
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Speaker 1: against this new Iranian government because any any any diplomacy

736
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Speaker 1: that gets the United States and any of Israel's adversaries

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Speaker 1: closer to deal makingtya who considers to be a threat.

738
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Speaker 1: And that's why you know Apeg is one of the

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00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: lead opponents of the Iran nuclear deal for instance, and

740
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Speaker 1: pushed to have that blown up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's very troubling.

742
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Speaker 2: There was also the US finds itself in knots because

743
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: it really doesn't know how to respond to any idea

744
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: of quote unquote Iranian self defense. So here we had

745
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 2: a reporter that asked the US State Department, does Iran

746
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: have a right to respond for self defense? Have you

747
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: continually acknowledged on the Israeli side. Let's take a listen

748
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: to what he had to say.

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Speaker 4: Did they have the light to respond? I mean, is

750
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Speaker 4: that part of self defense?

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00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 6: So I just answered that question. I just answered that

752
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 6: question in response to what it got from Simon. Right,

753
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 6: is one thing taking steps that are productive and are

754
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 6: conducive of the interests of their people, they're conducive to

755
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 6: the interests of the broader region or another question, and

756
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 6: in no way what a retalitary action by Iran anyway

757
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Speaker 6: serve the interests of the Iranian people or the broader region.

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Speaker 4: And that's precisely why I'm asking you.

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Speaker 7: Because you mentioned the word right, so you are acknowledging

760
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 7: that they do have the right to respond.

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Speaker 8: No, I did not acknowledge that acknowledged that question.

762
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 7: Okay, let me ask you if this was, let's say,

763
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Speaker 7: happened in any of the western capitals, wouldn't they be

764
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 7: sort of obligated to respond.

765
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Speaker 8: I'm not going to deal with a happenings, Okay.

766
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 4: All right, we'll deal with something real.

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Speaker 7: Last week, we could go yesterday Sunday and Aaron rocket

768
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 7: hit or maybe intentional hit a small town or madorical chemps,

769
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 7: a Syrian town, Syrian citizens and so on, and you

770
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 7: said that Israel had a right to defend itself. I'm

771
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 7: not you a person, but I'm saying, so, what's different?

772
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 7: I mean, you know everybody was that all everyone was

773
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 7: saying everyone has a right to defend itself. Why doesn't

774
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 7: Iron have right to when the guest house, you know,

775
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 7: I don't want to make comparison. I don't like the

776
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 7: guest house in London or maybe Blair House and anything.

777
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 7: I mean, something that really touched the sovereignty of Iran.

778
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 6: So I take the point of your question said, it

779
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 6: is not in any way, however, useful at all for

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00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 6: anyone in the region for Ron to consider taking such

781
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 6: steps because of the risk.

782
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 8: As I said, that this could.

783
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 6: Potentially get out of control, and that's the message we

784
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 6: will continue to impress on him.

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Speaker 2: He is not acknowledging the right to self defense. Now,

786
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: I think this whole right to self defense thing is

787
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 2: annoying because like, who bestows a right to a sovereign state? Nobody, Okay,

788
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: the legitimacy I think of its population. Those are the

789
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: people who confer the right. The way that you check

790
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: that quote unquote right is where you have to turns

791
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: and you have enough weapons to make sure to try

792
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: and guide their defense. So there is no such thing

793
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: as a right to self defense. There's the ability to

794
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: have self defense and to try and guarantee that ability,

795
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: and that I think, I mean, this is where I

796
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 2: look at with Iran. This is a blustering nation which

797
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: for decades has held itself up.

798
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: Is his check against Israel against the West.

799
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 2: I mean, what self respecting nation can tolerate a you know,

800
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: a guest being blown up in the middle of their

801
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: most secure compound and the beginning of a presidential inauguration.

802
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: It's not possible, you know, as a self respecting nation

803
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 2: to tolerate that now. At the same time, they don't

804
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: want to be suicidal, so they have to check and

805
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: think about But I would caution everyone to think that

806
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: just because they don't respond right now does not mean

807
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: that they don't have the ability, or the fortitude and

808
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: the foresight to actually set the stage where they can

809
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: cause real problems. So for example, Russia, as Serrogei Shogu,

810
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 2: the former defense minister, is spotted in Iran, you know,

811
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: immediately after this attack, it comes out that the Iranians

812
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: are likely to get their hands on the S four

813
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 2: hundred missile system. I mean this is a real issue, okay,

814
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: Like this is sophisticated to technology that the Russians don't

815
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: just hand out to everybody. You can ask NATO planners

816
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: and others about how well that system can work when

817
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: it wants to. And that's just another both alliance between

818
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: the Iranians and the Russians. It creates more problems for

819
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: any future quote unquote attack by Israel or by potential

820
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 2: conflagration with the United States and just ratchets up you know,

821
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Speaker 2: how much worse the conflict would be when it already

822
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Speaker 2: would be a complete and a total nightmare.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think, Yeah, what makes it hard

824
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: for us to analyze it here in the United States

825
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: is that we are bathed in this kind of propaganda

826
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Speaker 1: that Iran is the most evil country on earth and

827
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: run by complete mad men when and it makes it

828
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Speaker 1: very difficult to understand this fact, which is that Iatola

829
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: Kamane and also this new kind of US leaning president

830
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: are both very reluctant to take major risks, right, But

831
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Speaker 1: just saying that just clashes so kind of flagrantly with

832
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: the idea that well, I thought, this is a blood

833
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: thirsty madman just once you know, Hitler like domination of

834
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: the world, and the only thing holding them back is

835
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: you know, Israel in the United States constraining them.

836
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 3: And so.

837
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Speaker 1: People who are watching Iran think that there might be

838
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Speaker 1: a possibility here that well, to your point, the longer this,

839
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: the longer delay we see in their response, the worse

840
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Speaker 1: it might end up being.

841
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: But on the other hand, there's.

842
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: A possibility that they do not take a severe response,

843
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: that they do something similar to what they did last time.

844
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Speaker 1: For the geopolitical reasons that you laid out. They are

845
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: now successfully positioning themselves globally as a rational actor in

846
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: contrast to the unhinged, irrational Israeli actor in the region.

847
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: And so if they go over the top and break

848
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: international law in their response to what Israel did too

849
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 1: Hania inside Tehran, then they upset that balance that they've

850
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Speaker 1: been able to strike. And they like this new kind

851
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: of global perception that they're a sane, in normal country

852
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: and Israel's completely out of control. So they have a

853
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: lot of incentive to actually keep that going. If they

854
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: can keep it going, it makes it easier than for

855
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: Russia to send the kinds of weapon systems that your time,

856
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: makes it easier for China to be more tightly invested

857
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: in the economy. And if the more that they are

858
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: seen as a rogue state, the harder it is for

859
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Speaker 1: Russia and China to kind of bring them into the fold.

860
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Speaker 2: And then the final thing that I worry the most

861
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Speaker 2: about is here the sheer hubris of the American system

862
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: and the American foreign policy elite to just think, yeah,

863
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Speaker 2: this is no problem. You know, hundreds of billions of dollars. Cool,

864
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,959
Speaker 2: don't worry about it. Two front war, what a joke.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we can handle that. Aaron Mante flagged this

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Speaker 2: clip of President Biden speaking just I think last October

867
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Speaker 2: and scoffing at the idea that America is not prepared

868
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Speaker 2: for a two front war.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: Are the wars in Israel and Ukraine more than the

871
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 9: United States can take on? In the Secretary of the

872
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Speaker 9: United States of America, for God's sake, the most powerful

873
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Speaker 9: nation in the history, not in the world, and the

874
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 9: history of the world, the history of the world, we

875
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 9: can take care of both of these and still maintain

876
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 9: our overall international defense.

877
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 4: We have the capacity to do this.

878
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 9: We have an obligation to We are the essential nation

879
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 9: is to the former Secretary of State, and as we don't,

880
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 9: who does.

881
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 2: I believe he was trying to reach for indispensable nation?

882
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: That does not age well if we think a little

883
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: bit about it. That was in the hubris of the

884
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: Clinton administration. And that is where his age just is

885
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: so grading to anybody who has lived through two failed

886
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to see the strain that

887
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: the two front war of I Rock and Afghanistan put

888
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: on the US military. They're at the time, we're not

889
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 2: even fighting like real peer competitors. The America that exists

890
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 2: in his head is gone, and it's largely gone because

891
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: of people like him with limitations.

892
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: You know already we faced you know.

893
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: Look, I've been tracking this situation and continue to track

894
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: it almost daily.

895
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 3: In Ukraine. Well, it turns out that the Ukrainian.

896
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: The average age forty five fifty starting to get acknowledged.

897
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: Oh oh, we've sent f sixteens over there, that's going

898
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: to turn the tide. Nope, I just checked this morning.

899
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: A strategic town in the east is literally on the

900
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: brink of falling Ukrainian manpower disaster. So just because you know,

901
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: you can pour money into this thing and try and

902
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: appear tough and feel cool, doesn't mean that the Russian colossus,

903
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: which basically can produce weapons for one tenth the cost

904
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: and has basically unlimited manpower through its vast reserves on

905
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: top of a total war economy, can't quite easily overcome

906
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: that in the long run. Yes, in the short term

907
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: you've cost them some damage, But I mean, if anything,

908
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 2: we've battle tested the blood the Russian military, we help them,

909
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: you know, reform its economy for total war production. Who's

910
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: the loser here, it's definitely that it's it's not them.

911
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: But we certainly did the opposite of degrading the Russian military.

912
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: The Russian military of twenty twenty four and twenty five

913
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: is much superior to one twenty twenty two.

914
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: And it's just when we think about that, we think

915
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: about here, you know, with the continued situation with Iran,

916
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: the speed in wishes can get out of control is

917
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: just one that we should never underestimate. Perhaps some good

918
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: news just came across the wire. Russian President Putin has

919
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: asked the Supreme Leader for quote a restrained response to

920
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: Israel exactly.

921
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: So this really backs up Russia exactly.

922
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: Russia and China see this as a way to make

923
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: the US and Israel look insane like the aggressors, and

924
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: that they are that they can no longer responsibly run

925
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: a hegemonic kind of global operation.

926
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, well, that certainly does. We're certainly helping

927
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: every step of the way.

928
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: Creating them continued US decline and position for US in

929
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: the world. Five of our service members injured, and can

930
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 2: anybody credibly answer the question for what. No, they can't,

931
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: So everyone's just gonna memory hold it and we'll continue.

932
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: To move on.

933
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely massive news about Google being officially ruled a quote

934
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: monopolist by a US federal judge landmark in the history

935
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: of the US economy.

936
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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and put this up there on the screens.

937
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: This ruling came out yesterday and according to the US

938
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: District Court for the District of Columbia, Judge am At

939
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: Mata said in a two hundred and seventy seven page ruling,

940
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: Google had abused monopoly over the search business. He says

941
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: that Google acted illegally to maintain monopoly in online search

942
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: quote landmark decision that strikes at the power of tech

943
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: giants in the modern Internet error and will fundamentally alter

944
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: the way that they do business. The Justice Department sued

945
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: Google previously, accusing it of quote illegally cementing its dominance

946
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: by paying other companies like Apple and Samsung billions of

947
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 2: dollars a year to have Google automatically handle search queries

948
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: on their smartphones and web browsers. Google is a monopolist

949
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: as active as one to maintain its monopoly. So what

950
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: this means potentially.

951
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 5: Now.

952
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 2: Of course, let's be honest, like this is going to

953
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: make its way through the US court system and it

954
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 2: will take probably a decade before any of this is resolved. Nonetheless,

955
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: the ruling by the federal judge on the most significant

956
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: anti trust case against probably the largest company and emblem

957
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: of a quote unquote monopolist in the entire business, it

958
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: does both, I mean, a significant setback for Amazon and

959
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: online shopping, for Facebook and Instagram whenever it comes to

960
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: social media, the ownership of Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp for

961
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: future acquisitions and driving company behavior. This is both a

962
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: bipartisan effort that was done by the Trump administration continued

963
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: by the Biden administration. And the fact is is that

964
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: the ruling only sets the stage now for what some

965
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: sort of future quote unquote unwinding may look like, because

966
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: he did not include remedies in his decision, and there

967
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: are all kinds of interesting possibilities. The idea could be

968
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: that Google Search and ad Sense might have to remain

969
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: its own company.

970
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 3: They would have to divest itself.

971
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 2: Perhaps YouTube, the platform they are talking about here right now.

972
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: I mean, we haven't seen significant changes and actions like

973
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: that in the US economy in literally decades. And it's

974
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: something that a lot of anti monopoly activists, people like

975
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: Matt Stoler and others, have been pushing for quite some time.

976
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the case on the search side is pretty straightforward.

977
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: What Google has been doing has been paying companies like

978
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: Mozilla and a Apple to make its search engine the

979
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: default search engine. And quite simply, the judge said that's illegal,

980
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: that that is cementing your monopoly.

981
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: You can't do that.

982
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: That it has disincentivized these other companies from fostering competition,

983
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: and it has allowed Google to turn into a crappy

984
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: search engine.

985
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they don't have any competition.

986
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: And I think anybody uses Google, which is everybody basically

987
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: can attest that it's not as good as it used

988
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: to be, and that be becoming a monopoly has predictably

989
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: done what people predict what happened to monopolies. The quality

990
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: of the product gets lousier, the amount of money that

991
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: they extract from the different clients that they work with, advertisers,

992
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: et cetera, just goes up and up and up, and

993
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: consumers and small businesses are harmed by it.

994
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really interesting.

995
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: I mean, here I'm going to read a little bit

996
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 2: from Matt Stoler on his big sub stack, and he

997
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: just says, today's a big day for American business. Fifteen

998
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: years after it was first and guest investigated search Shie,

999
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: Google is finally going to be held accountable for unfairly

1000
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: forwarding competition, he says. I'm going to discuss the complaint

1001
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: against Google, why it lost, the next steps, and what

1002
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 2: this case means for American business going forward, he says,

1003
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: But make no mistake, the decision is huge for Google,

1004
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: the web and the revival of monopolytion monopolization law against

1005
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: giants across the economy. It's a big deal before anti monopoly.

1006
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: As he talks about, what he really discusses is that

1007
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: the crux of the case is that paying not only Apple,

1008
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: but LG, Motorola, Samsung AT and T T Mobile, Mozilla, Opera,

1009
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: Verizon to make sure it is the only search engine

1010
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: the consumers ever saw. You also note that Google allegedly,

1011
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: according to the judge, destroyed evidence actually that was due

1012
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: for its case, and the judge noted that this was

1013
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 2: obviously going to contribute not only to his decision to

1014
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: the behavior of the company, but also urged you know,

1015
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: future judges and others to keep that into consideration the

1016
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: behavior of the company. I mean, what's also been interesting

1017
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 2: is to see the competitors of Google discussed this. Rumble,

1018
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 2: for example, a video platform which we also post on

1019
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 2: and which we're parted to partner with via Locals Talked.

1020
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: You know, the CEO says, today's decision confirms what everybody knows.

1021
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 2: Google is a monopolist. Rumble has been making this argument

1022
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: for years in multiple anti strust lawsuits against Google, both

1023
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: currently and ongoing. You also saw Baning celebrate this decision

1024
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: because bing has effectively been not even allowed to compete,

1025
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: you know, even if it wanted to to try and

1026
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 2: become the default search engine on other mobile platforms or

1027
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: with other browsers out there. And we think about the

1028
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: sheer scale of like the vertical integration of the Google empire,

1029
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: this just shows us that the idea of the whole

1030
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: pay for pay for play that really exists in a

1031
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: lot of these companies, and with social media as well.

1032
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: Doing a way with that would allow a more competitive ecosystem,

1033
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: perhaps you know, to rise, although at this point I'm

1034
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: not sure you know, the damage may I'll be done.

1035
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be and we might just get overcome

1036
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: by China and others that have actual innovation.

1037
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: Like inspiring economies.

1038
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: The remedy phase is what comes next, and that will

1039
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: then be up to either the Harris administration or the

1040
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: Trump administration and his stolar rights and his piece. He

1041
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: doesn't have confidence in either of them to pursue this

1042
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: as vigor as the Biden administration, because this is Jonathan

1043
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: Canter pursuing this from the Department of Justice, who is

1044
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: just massive enemy of big tech and other monopolists. And

1045
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: then of course he's an ally of Lena.

1046
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: Khan and her.

1047
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: Very strong FTC, who Kamala Harris has still to this

1048
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: day not said that she will stand behind in the

1049
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: face of billionaire pressure from Diller and from Reid Hoffman

1050
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: urging her to get rid of them like the billionaire

1051
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: class which is under the gun by the FTC, and

1052
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: Canter at the DOJ is at the same time giving

1053
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: money to the Harris administration and asking them to then

1054
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: roll back on their prosecutions of these of these anti

1055
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: trust cases. Now, so we noted there's some there is

1056
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: some bipartisan nature to this. This case started under the

1057
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: Trump administration and it was then taken to completion by

1058
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: by Canter and the DOJ. The concern is that a

1059
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: new depart Partment of Justice had who would not be

1060
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: cantor if they push him out, would go to Google

1061
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: and say, look, it's the remedy phase here. You're going

1062
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: to appeal this, It's going to go on for years.

1063
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: Let's just let's just come to a settlement here. You

1064
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: will promise to do good behavior in the future. Give

1065
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: us a couple hundred million dollars, a couple of billion dollars,

1066
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: whatever it is, and you know, well, this will all

1067
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: just go away, rather than breaking it up and recor

1068
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: and potentially creating a playing field that would allow for

1069
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: innovation again. Because if you think about the amount of

1070
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: innovation that the tech sector had from the two thousands

1071
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: into like the mid twenty tens, it was exponential, and

1072
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: then it just flattened off as Soccerberg, Bezos, Apple and

1073
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: the rest of them just got complete control of everything.

1074
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: Every new startup that came along no longer was interested

1075
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: in becoming a company that was serving people. It wasn't

1076
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: even interested in becoming an IPO. What they all they

1077
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: wanted to get their ten X was to get bought

1078
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: by Facebook or Google or somebody else. You just threatened

1079
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: to be like a successful company that's innovating, and then

1080
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: you would get bought off and you'd become a multimillionaire,

1081
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: and then you would go do that again after your

1082
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: lockout phase is over. That is the opposite of any

1083
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: type of economic innovation. And it's not surprising that then

1084
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: TikTok sweeps in with a new algorithm and just takes

1085
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: everything over.

1086
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: So there you go.

1087
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: It just shows us both the holes of where everything

1088
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: is and also what the landmark decision means there for Google.

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Speaker 2: I also wanted to give an update, you know, just

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Speaker 2: on the economy. Things have actually rapidly changed since yesterday.

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Speaker 2: As we said, so just in the morning, we brought

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00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 2: everybody yesterday the news that they're the largest single day

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00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 2: drop in the NICK since nineteen eighty seven. Let's put

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00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. Is this nineteen eighty

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00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: seven all over again? They're all these questions, Well, it

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00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: turns out, you know, a dropped by I think twelve

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Speaker 2: percent in a single day. It also while we were

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00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: all sleeping. Guess what, guys, it rose by ten percent

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Speaker 2: after its worst one day drop, which led to the

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Speaker 2: global route, and the yen was quote giving back some

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00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 2: of the gains that it made on Tuesday morning. So

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Speaker 2: it does look like there's a significant amount of volatility.

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00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 2: It also look I don't yet know where the market

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00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 2: will close at the end of the day, but both

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00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: Dow and S and P five hundred futures are up

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00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 2: a little bit despite their three percent loss or so

1107
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 2: yesterday and the one thousand point drop in the Dow Jones.

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00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: Just to say that there's a lot of whip sawing

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00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: going around. People don't exactly know, you know, people don't

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00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: exactly know where this market will end up and what

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00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: the fundamentals were driving.

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Speaker 3: So in Japan, you know, for example.

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Speaker 2: Part of what triggered this was a lot of fear

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Speaker 2: over US slowdown and then consumer spending, which if they

1115
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: should be real about because we have seen the bad

1116
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 2: unemployment report here in the US too. Apparently there was

1117
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: a lot of there were a lot of traders that

1118
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 2: were doing something with the Japanese yen in which they

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00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: were borrowing low interest dollars here in the US then

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Speaker 2: buying you know, high interest stuff in Japan, and you know,

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00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 2: taking the spread as profit. The Japanese traders I believe,

1122
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: were trying to drive some of that out. So there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes, which

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00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 2: is difficult kind of to wrap our heads around. But

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Speaker 2: I think in general we can probably say Ryan that

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00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: when we have this amount of chaos, it's just not good.

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00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: It's not good for US financial markets, for the US system.

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Speaker 2: In fact, US retail brokers, let's put this up there

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00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 2: please on the screen, actually had massive outages yesterday because

1130
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 2: so many people were trying to check their portfolios, including

1131
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: Charles Schwab, Vanguard Infidelity.

1132
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: I mean, those are three of the largest.

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Speaker 2: You don't love consuper retail brokers, I mean at the

1134
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 2: same time, so while look, I agree they should not

1135
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 2: have gone down, they inadvertently probably saved people like billions

1136
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 2: of dollars. It's just stopping them from panic selling because

1137
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: it mamagined to be panic sold yesterday at the bottom,

1138
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 2: and then now today you're seeing, especially if you're like

1139
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 2: invested in some Japanese etf.

1140
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 3: Something like oh my god, I gotta go, I gotta sell.

1141
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 2: Themon bounced back ten percent after you were sleeping. So

1142
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: just let that be a lesson. You should never sell

1143
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: you know whatever, we should never pan excel. You should

1144
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: always try and think rationally about probably.

1145
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 3: Going to get taken to the cleaners. Yeah, anytime you

1146
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 3: try to be a professional of this.

1147
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, in general, like you're not a structor and

1148
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: even you know, the real question or the real answer

1149
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: is that even the day traders, as we learned with

1150
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: this whole Japan.

1151
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 3: Situation, they don't even know what they are doing.

1152
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: So it's all kind of a as personal likes to say,

1153
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: the graph of rich people sit. It's all about the line.

1154
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: Like, if you're a day trader when the market is

1155
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: going up, then most of your trades are going to

1156
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: be work out well for you. Yes, if you're a

1157
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: day trader when the market is going down, you're going.

1158
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 3: To lose most of your trades.

1159
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: And people just get a sense of their own impos

1160
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: You know, I was a stockbroker like twenty years ago.

1161
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: Really we can talk about an actually stock series seven six. Yeah,

1162
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: I could call you up and.

1163
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 3: You would place a trade for me. Why wouldn't I

1164
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 3: just do that on each trade?

1165
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's part of the would have gotten my expertise?

1166
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh of course, right, that's what you're.

1167
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: Paying the tea.

1168
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 3: That's what the fee is for. Uh.

1169
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Speaker 2: The Trump campaign is trying to capitalize on this, calling

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Speaker 2: it the caot Kamala crash.

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Speaker 3: Here's what they had to say. Here we go, look

1172
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 3: at them go down what some would call history. Don't

1173
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 3: say that.

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Speaker 1: I've never been down a thousand points ever, not even

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Speaker 1: inter day.

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Speaker 3: On the now step, Bidenomics is working. It's working.

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Speaker 6: The stock markets just taking a big old nosedive this morning.

1178
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Speaker 5: Now Jones is down about one thousand and ten points.

1179
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Speaker 3: That is called fidnomics.

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Speaker 2: The Dow fell more than six hundred points Friday, on

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Speaker 2: a weeker than expected.

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Speaker 5: Jobs are for five percent, Meta, six percent, Amazon six percent,

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Speaker 5: Apple nine percent.

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Speaker 3: Downmics is working. Fears of a recession began after Friday.

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Speaker 3: Disappointing July jobs are for Bidenomics is working. Rise like

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Speaker 3: that is historically a sign that a recession is imminent.

1187
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Speaker 3: This isomics we're just.

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Speaker 10: Seeing right now.

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Speaker 3: The stock market is what Americas have been feeling for

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Speaker 3: the last three years. It's just a manifestation of it

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00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: all that is called Bidenomics. All right, Let's see if

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Speaker 3: that sticks.

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00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: Ryan, I'm not sure yet if it will, especially since

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00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 2: the stocks went ahead and reback.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, Trump has been saying that the you know,

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Speaker 1: he deserves credit for the stock markets rise during a

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Speaker 1: Biden administration, but it's actually Kamal that deserves the blame

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Speaker 1: for the crash.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 9: I like that.

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Speaker 2: Inconsistency is a hallmark a good politician. All right, let's

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Speaker 2: go ahead to the UK. There's been chaos erupting in

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Speaker 2: the United Kingdom with riots over immigration, far right and

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Speaker 2: immigrant protesters.

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Speaker 3: Clashing in the streets. Quite literally.

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Speaker 2: Let's go in and put some of the video our team

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Speaker 2: assembled here. This is just some examples of what's been happening.

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00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: I will tell everybody how this all kicked off. But

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00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: in the meantime, what you're watching here is a group

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Speaker 2: of protesters surround a holiday inn Express That hotel allegedly

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00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 2: was holding a side seekers that have been coming to

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Speaker 2: Great Britain. This then erupted into literal street violence with

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Speaker 2: flags and others of the so called English Defense League

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01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 2: and protesters. You then simultaneously saw activated immigrant protesters who

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Speaker 2: took the streets. There you go, you can see that

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Speaker 2: in front of you. This has spread to multiple kind

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Speaker 2: of working class cities all across the UK. Of where

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Speaker 2: immigration and tensions between the population has been high for

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Speaker 2: quite some time. And if we think about going all

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Speaker 2: the way back to Brexit and the impetus for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: here you see people literally getting beaten up in the

1222
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Speaker 2: middle of the street. It's unclear exactly you know, who

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01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: were what is happening here? Then we, of course time

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Speaker 2: on and tradition looting literally happening in the middle of

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01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 2: these riots. Lots of the so called you know, anti

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Speaker 2: immigrant protesters also just making sure they stop by a

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Speaker 2: grocery store and take whatever they get free. Yeah I'm

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01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 2: not sure i'd be taking English chocolate, but hey, that's

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Speaker 2: just me.

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Speaker 3: So what do you think, Ryan?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: And so you're you're also now seeing anti racist protesters,

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Speaker 1: like explicitly anti race. They're basically versions of like Antifa

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01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: over in England are now showing up and doing battle

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Speaker 1: with the far right protesters across England.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know this all started when, I guess a little

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Speaker 1: more than a week ago, three three girls were killed

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Speaker 1: at a.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't we put this up there the Financial

1241
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 2: Times is a pretty good breakdown.

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Speaker 3: Just go ahead, you can continue to Yeah.

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01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: So three girls are killed at a basically a Taylor

1244
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: Swift event, like it's like a yoga studio or something

1245
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: that was playing like Taylor Swift song or something.

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01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 3: Guy shows up kills three of them from well not

1247
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Speaker 3: from Rwanda. I think he was born in the UK.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, So immediately it starts disseminating on Twitter

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01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: and elsewhere that this was an undocument illegally immigrant that

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Speaker 1: came in and killed that was a Muslim illegal emorate

1251
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: that came in and killed these these three girls. Turns

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Speaker 1: out as a person was born in Wales from Rwanan

1253
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: parents and was Christian actually, and the UK took the

1254
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: rare step of publishing all the information about the suspect

1255
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: and said, look, it's not true, this is not it

1256
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Speaker 1: didn't it didn't matter.

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Speaker 3: Side note here.

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Speaker 1: If you go back and read the histories of almost

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Speaker 1: every famous riot throughout of American history, but also European

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Speaker 1: history too, even the storming of the Best Deal, they

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01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: all start with. Usually misinformation is not necessarily the right word,

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01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: but rumors that are incorrect and spread out of control

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01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: when they when they stormed the Best Deal, they expected

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Speaker 1: to find like hundreds of political political prisoners who've been

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Speaker 1: abused by the king and they found like six like

1266
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Speaker 1: completely insane people.

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Speaker 3: Basically, I mean, I'm oversimplifying here.

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Speaker 1: They're like, well, well, nevertheless, let's have a revolution anyway

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Speaker 1: you have. But you're so you're seeing this like demand

1270
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Speaker 1: for Twitter and others to like stop spreading all this

1271
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: like hateful misinformation, which okay.

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Speaker 3: Let's don't spread hateful stuff.

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Speaker 1: Great, But even before social media, whether you know any

1274
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: whether whatever it is, like you go back and normally

1275
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: these riots are the result of just word of mouth

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01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: and getting the correct information out there didn't matter, because

1277
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Speaker 1: what matters is whether or not you're on a tinder box.

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Speaker 3: Here, the UK is on a powder keg.

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Speaker 1: It's it's on the one hand, blowback from the British

1280
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Speaker 1: Empire like going out and you know, propping yourself up

1281
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: for hundreds of years, you know, based on raping and

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01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: pillaging around the world and then and then taking the

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01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: refus from those parts of the country and putting them

1284
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Speaker 1: in your poorest districts back in England.

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Speaker 3: That that.

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Speaker 1: Process is kind of playing itself out without British imperial

1287
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Speaker 1: power anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very odd situation. And there's also an

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01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 2: economic thing to consider. Here is a lot of Americans

1290
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: don't understand how poor British people actually are. British people's

1291
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 2: GDP per capita is lower than the state of Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: If they were stated in the New US, they'd be

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Speaker 2: the fifty first poorest state. Everybody thinks about London, it's like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's where the financial and rich elite live.

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01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 3: You know, where the king and the queen. The rest

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01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 3: of the country like global elite. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If you've ever been actually spent time in real England,

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Speaker 2: UK Scotland, you know, not in the major cities.

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Speaker 3: It's a very poor country. You actually see something like

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01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 3: how can you be an empire for so long?

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Speaker 2: I can, as you know, there's nothing I love more

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01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 2: than dunking on Europeans. That said, if we've got back

1303
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 2: to this the real like and I think there's a

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01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 2: lot of dangers here for America. And this is part

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Speaker 2: of the reason why we decided to do this story

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Speaker 2: is perhaps this could be a precursor to what things

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Speaker 2: are here. When you bring in a bunch of very

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01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 2: low educated, low skilled workers and then you also have

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01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 2: a very stagnant economic growth on top of literal assimilation problems,

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01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 2: then you basically set up the situation where we have

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01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 2: right now, where you've had like immigrant enclaves and neighborhoods

1312
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 2: which don't feel British even though they may be British

1313
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 2: citizens or UK citizens in name. And then you have

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Speaker 2: the population itself which is very angry both about that

1315
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:41,919
Speaker 2: lack of assimilation, the lack of cultural meshing on top

1316
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 2: of the economic problems of literally feeling as if you

1317
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 2: are in a stagnant country which is not delivered for

1318
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 2: you for quite some time. And that's where I think

1319
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 2: the powder keg comes from more than anything, is the

1320
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: lack of outlook of growth and of potential in the UK.

1321
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 2: And if we think about the economic situation now going

1322
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 2: into this, these people were crushed by energy prices after

1323
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 2: the war in Ukraine. Obviously, Brexit, you know, even though

1324
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 2: I supported Brexit, Brexit turned out to be kind of

1325
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 2: a nightmare just in terms of the execution of that

1326
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 2: the economic prospects of the country. Part of the reason

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01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 2: that they took it out on the Conservative Party is

1328
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 2: they're like, hey, you guys are just bandits for the rich.

1329
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 2: And so they're giving the Labor Party, you know, this

1330
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 2: massive victory that it's had, but the Labor victory does

1331
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 2: not paper over the social tensions which have been brewing

1332
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 2: now in the UK for quite some time. We've seen

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01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 2: stuff like this pop off in Ireland too. I don't

1334
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 2: think it's an accident that it happens at a time

1335
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 2: of economic stagnation and frankly like decades of mismanagement of

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01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 2: their own immigration policy. Look, they are another country. They

1337
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 2: can do whatever they want. I'm just saying I wouldn't

1338
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 2: personally have done it the way that they did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Conservative government did not actually even restrict immigration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's well.

1342
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 2: That was a huge thing with Nigel Faraj and with

1343
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 2: a lot of the UK RTIs is that they were like,

1344
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 2: why exactly should we support Conservatives? You guys are not

1345
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 2: even you know, restricting immigration, because remember their asylum situation

1346
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 2: too is very different.

1347
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we have major border.

1348
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 2: Problems here with Venezuela and all the people coming from

1349
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 2: basically everywhere all across South America. On top of anybody

1350
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 2: can buy a plane ticket to Mexico. But you know,

1351
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 2: they also have had now what a ten year sustained

1352
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 2: asylum nightmare with the Syrian Civil War, with Afghans, the

1353
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 2: whole Germany situation in twenty fifteen and they've had major

1354
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: flare ups and this was a major contribution literally to Brexit,

1355
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 2: was you know, was not wanting to be party to

1356
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 2: EU refugee policy. So I think that what this sets

1357
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 2: up is, well, a, we saw the death of the

1358
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 2: Conservative Party and that kind of liberal immigration policy. That's

1359
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 2: definitely that's over now though, and this is something funny.

1360
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: I think that the euro rightis have significantly overplayed their

1361
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 2: hand because they don't have free speech in England. In England,

1362
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 2: the major commentators are all calling for Tommy Robinson, who's

1363
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: the former head of the Defense League. He's kind of

1364
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 2: the one. He's like the King protesters. He's not even

1365
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 2: in the country right now. But if we see how

1366
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 2: the government is responding to this. This is one of

1367
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 2: the biggest surveillance states in the world GHQ, and they

1368
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 2: have no they have no literally no First Amendment, no

1369
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 2: freedom of speech. They're all the leading European columnists are

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01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 2: calling for his deplatforming off Twitter.

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01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 3: And for his prosecution. They're gonna throw them in jail.

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01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: I genuinely I don't think he should ever return to England,

1373
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 2: like he is going to prison and over there with

1374
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 2: their home office. They don't even need a pretext. They

1375
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 2: can just imprison you forever. He's alluded to it. Well,

1376
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 2: let's get to that. So we have a statement here

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01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister, Caer Starmer. Let's take a listen

1378
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 2: to what he had to say.

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Speaker 11: I had a Cobra meeting this morning, which was an

1380
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 11: opportunity that I took to thank the police for their

1381
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,799
Speaker 11: work over the last few days, to express my support

1382
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 11: for the police officers who have been injured and the

1383
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 11: communities impacted by this mindless thuddery. For a number of

1384
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 11: actions that came out of the meeting. The first is

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01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 11: we will have a standing army of specialist officers public

1386
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 11: duty officers so that we'll have enough officers to deal

1387
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 11: with this where we need them. The second is we'll

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01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 11: ramp up criminal justice. There have already been hundreds of arrests,

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01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 11: some have appeared in court this morning. I've asked for

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01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 11: early consideration of the earliest naming and identification of those

1391
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,799
Speaker 11: involved in the process who will feel the full force

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01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 11: of the law. And thirdly, have been absolutely clear that

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01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 11: the criminal law applies online as well as offline, and

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Speaker 11: I'm assured that that's the approach that is being taken.

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Speaker 3: So you saw a little bit of that already.

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01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the English you have quite literally

1397
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,920
Speaker 2: the labor government in a supermajority in power. Then you've

1398
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 2: one of the most oppressive governments in Europe when they

1399
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 2: want to be.

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Speaker 3: And you don't have to ask me.

1401
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 2: It's funny ask the Islamic population of England what it

1402
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 2: was like in two thousand and six. They can throw

1403
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 2: your ass in prison, or it can put you under

1404
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 2: house arrest for no reason and place you under surveillance,

1405
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: and they can even revoke your citizenship if they want to,

1406
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 2: with no trial, as they have done on multiple occasions.

1407
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: So I think they're going to have a similar situation

1408
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 2: to what we had here where they're going to use

1409
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 2: their security state apparatus architected after the War on Terror

1410
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 2: and basically turn it onto their own, you know, right

1411
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: wing protesters that are in the country. So police state

1412
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 2: just seems even more likely in the.

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01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 1: After this, and Starmer said that they were going to

1414
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 1: make sure that there was accountability for people who instigated

1415
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: this on social media. Right, And yes, Tommy Robinson, I

1416
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: think he's in Corsica vacation or something but he's been.

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01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 3: You know, he's being a storm.

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01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's been sharing a lot of the stuff

1419
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 1: that no questions instigated. The question is, you know, should

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01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: that be a prosecutable offense?

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01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 3: As you and I would say obviously obviously not in England,

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01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 3: They're like, obviously it should be. Yeah, Yeah, they're crazy. Yeah,

1423
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 3: he's been to jail like four or five times.

1424
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 2: All yeah, that's right, he has been in prison before.

1425
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 2: So this is one where look, I think it's going

1426
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 2: to be. At the same time, you know, there's a

1427
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 2: lot of American rightists that are kind of seizing onto this.

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01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 3: I just think my only WoT.

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01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: They're saying, like they're trying to justify the rioting. We

1430
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: live in such an amazing like doom loop.

1431
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 2: Look, writing is bad. I think we should all just

1432
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 2: probably stick with that. The other thing that I would

1433
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 2: urge Americans is this is a very different country. It's

1434
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: totally different. This is a tiny Their immigrant population by

1435
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 2: and large is very different from our at least legal

1436
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 2: immigrant population. Now, don't get me wrong, I do think

1437
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 2: it's crazy that eight to ten million people are here illegally,

1438
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 2: but they don't even have anywhere close to the same

1439
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 2: level of like generational problems and you know, establishing these

1440
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 2: like immigrant enclays and they have major clashes over Engli.

1441
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 3: Also doesn't have the whole melting pot myth thos.

1442
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, yeah, I mean Margaret Thatcher very

1443
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,640
Speaker 2: famously said like America's you know, was America's built in

1444
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 2: an idea. English Europe is built on history something to

1445
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 2: that effect.

1446
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 3: But it's true. I mean, it.

1447
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: Literally is a population and place that has all been

1448
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 2: stratified by like cultural affinity and language going back like

1449
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: a thousand years, very different story to you know, to

1450
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 2: assimilate into on top of stagnating economy. They don't have

1451
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 2: never anywhere clothed to the same level of GDP growth,

1452
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 2: you know that we have or the myth thos to

1453
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 2: take those two things, you're setting yourself up for a

1454
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 2: real class here with the immigrant population. So regardless, I

1455
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,879
Speaker 2: do think that the rights and all these others, the

1456
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 2: riots are a precursor potentially to some immigrant backlash by

1457
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 2: conservative voters who lost faith in the Conservatives, and they

1458
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 2: would go towards somebody like Nigel Faraj. But in the interim,

1459
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 2: with the labor government so solidly in power, the almost

1460
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 2: certain outcome is that all these people are just.

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Speaker 3: Gonna be throwing from a massive round up. Yeah. Ye,

1462
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 3: that seems like most likely what's gonna.

1463
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: Happen if you're participating in those riots on any side,

1464
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: Like there's going to be cameras.

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01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:10,719
Speaker 3: Good luck with the mass.

1466
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, leeve London was one of the most survealed

1467
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 2: cities in the entire world. I'm not sure. So that's

1468
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 2: the only thing I saw a challenge. You think they'll

1469
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 2: even throw the immigrant riders in prison? Yeah, oh, that's well,

1470
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 2: we'll see. That'll be a good test as to whether

1471
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Speaker 2: you know there will be equal application.

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Speaker 3: Of the law.

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01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: A lot of the eurortersts don't think that they will.

1474
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 2: They think that they'll let them.

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Speaker 3: Go, and that they misunderstand the center. You think, so, okay,

1476
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:37,799
Speaker 3: all right, I'll hold you to it. Okay.

1477
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 2: Onto the RFK Junior story, perhaps one of the most

1478
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 2: bizarre incidents yet that we've covered here on the show.

1479
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,759
Speaker 2: I say this with no I guess judgment electorally or whatever,

1480
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 2: only to say that the circumstances are genuinely shocking. So

1481
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 2: all of it began when RFK Junior released a video

1482
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 2: talking about how he left a dead bear cub in

1483
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 2: Central Park. The photo has been released of the bear

1484
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 2: and RFK Juniors put this up here on the screen.

1485
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 2: Came out yesterday in the New Yorker with a profile.

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01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 2: Here we see r K Junior. He's roughly like sixty

1487
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 2: years old now at this time, in the back of

1488
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 2: his trunk with a bear, clearly who's been wounded. We'll

1489
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 2: get to that the bear was run down. I think

1490
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 2: the bear was it hit by a car? I was

1491
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 2: just lie down.

1492
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 3: I didn't say that. That's funny.

1493
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,879
Speaker 2: Who amongst us it's happened.

1494
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 3: It happens.

1495
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 2: RK has got his hand in the bear's mouth. This

1496
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 2: reminiscent of the previous photo that was released of him.

1497
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 2: Remember though, that I did ask about him, what was it?

1498
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 2: The Daily Beasts or somebody claimed it was a dog?

1499
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 2: He told me it was goat. So anyway, this time

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Speaker 2: he's not disputing that it was a bear. Let's take

1501
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 2: a listen to his version of events of how he

1502
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 2: encountered this bear and where he ended up dumping this bear.

1503
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 8: In front of me.

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01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 12: Hit a bear and killed it, a young bear. So

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01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 12: I pulled over and I picked up the bear. And

1507
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 12: put him in the back of my van because I

1508
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 12: was going to skin the bear and it was very

1509
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 12: good condition, and I was just going to and put

1510
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 12: the meat my refrigerator and you can do that in

1511
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 12: the or to say you can get a bear a

1512
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 12: tag for a road killed bear. Instead of going back

1513
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 12: to my home in Leicester, I had to go right

1514
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 12: to the city because there was a dinner at Peter

1515
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 12: Luger's steakhouse. And at the end of the dinner it

1516
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 12: went late and I realized I couldn't go home. I'd

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Speaker 12: go to the airport and the bear was in my

1518
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Speaker 12: car and I didn't want to leave the bear and car.

1519
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 3: Because there would have been bad People.

1520
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 12: Were drinking with me who thought this was a good idea,

1521
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 12: and I said, well, I had an old bike in

1522
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 12: my car that somebody'd asked me to get rid of it.

1523
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 12: I said, let's go point the bear in the central

1524
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 12: park and we'll make it look like you got So

1525
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 12: everybody thought that's a great idea. So we went and

1526
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 12: did that, and we thought it would be a music

1527
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 12: for whoever found it or something. You know, it's going

1528
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 12: to be a bad story.

1529
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: So that was him with a Roseanne bar and what

1530
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 2: to summarize. The bear was hit, he saw the bear.

1531
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 2: He then wanted to skin the bear and eat the bear,

1532
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 2: so he put it in his trunk.

1533
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 3: Then he was he was out falconing. They were running late.

1534
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 3: I love that part.

1535
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, I know. He drove to Manhattan with the

1536
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 2: bear in his drunk. He had dinner, then he had

1537
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 2: to catch a flight. Perfect so he had to get

1538
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 2: rid of the bear out of his car, this bloody

1539
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 2: dead bear. So he decided to put it in Central

1540
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 2: Park and state That's where I don't understand the staging.

1541
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 2: Why don't you just jump the bear? Why do you

1542
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 2: have to make it look like there was a well,

1543
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 2: what did he say? A bike accident?

1544
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: So he said, so this is around the time twenty fourteen,

1545
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 1: just as they're putting all the bike lanes in New

1546
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: York City. Okay, and if you remember from this time,

1547
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 1: a lot of bikers were getting killed by the garbage

1548
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 1: trucks and cars that weren't used to the lanes, and

1549
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: so there were these weekly or daily tragedies occurring. And

1550
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: RFK Junior's idea was this would humorously slot into these

1551
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:18,560
Speaker 1: multiple tragedies by making it look like instead of a

1552
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: car or truck killing a biker. That a biker had

1553
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: killed and run over a bear, right, okay, so how

1554
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 1: would that even happen?

1555
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 3: That's you have.

1556
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: To be pretty I don't know how many bottles of

1557
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: wine they had at Peter Luger, but it was the lost.

1558
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 3: He's sober, but listen the circumstances.

1559
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 1: Everybody else was drinking it. But apparently, but he says

1560
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 1: he was the one that had the idea.

1561
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 3: So he said he had Okay, so he had the idea.

1562
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 3: This is accorded to him. Now here's the funniest part.

1563
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,520
Speaker 2: Look at the way that this set off a firestorm

1564
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 2: in New York at the time after the bear was discovered.

1565
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 3: Take a listen to the local news.

1566
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,879
Speaker 10: Bear cub is discovered dead and of all places, Central

1567
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 10: Park and an apparent case of animal ruelty. CBS two's

1568
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 10: Matt Kozar has more on the bear mystery.

1569
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 13: In a popular section of Central Park, an unusual crime.

1570
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 3: Scene about over here.

1571
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 13: Floren Slatkin says she was walking her dog this morning

1572
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 13: when she saw something furry underneath the bushes. Police say

1573
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 13: the three foot long black bear cub had stab and

1574
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 13: slash wounds and appears to have been dumped there. Adding

1575
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 13: to the mystery, Slackkin says, the baby bear was lying

1576
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,799
Speaker 13: on top of this bicycle, which police confiscated as evidence.

1577
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 3: The bicycle was under the bushes. Part of the bicycle

1578
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 3: was sticking out, and that's what we saw, and when

1579
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 3: we look closer, we could see something on the back wheel.

1580
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 3: We're just laying on the back wheel. It's horrible.

1581
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 6: It's very bizarre to think that somebody with criminal intense

1582
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 6: would do such a thing right here in our backyard.

1583
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 8: Is disturbing.

1584
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 3: New York bikers are outraged.

1585
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 5: Now.

1586
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 2: To add even more craziness to the stories, put this

1587
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 2: up here is The person who wrote the bear story

1588
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 2: in the New York Times was JFK's granddaughter, Tatiana Schlosberg,

1589
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 2: his close relative. She wrote the headline bear found in

1590
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 2: Central Park was killed by a car. Official say, so

1591
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 2: this set off an absolute firestorm ten years ago. Nobody

1592
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 2: knew who dumped the bear, how the whole bear thing

1593
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 2: came to happen. And look, I don't really have anything

1594
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,559
Speaker 2: electoral or anything to say. This is just the most

1595
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 2: insane thing. And as I previously said, the craziest thing

1596
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 2: to me is that I believe every word of his explanation.

1597
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 2: And that's why it's so funny to me, is that

1598
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 2: every word I'm like, I'm like, I would never do that,

1599
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 2: but I see how you got there. And that's how

1600
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 2: the chain of events unfolds as even crazier than it

1601
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:50,759
Speaker 2: initially sounded.

1602
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: The other the one thing I think we can add

1603
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 1: to this too, is that it paints a portrait of

1604
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,759
Speaker 1: RFK Junior's life at the time. Okay, so here's something

1605
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: so that New York Times October seventh, October seven, fourteen,

1606
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: which interesting coincidence, But so I just looked that up

1607
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:14,919
Speaker 1: because I'm curious about RFK Junior's life. Okay, that's a Tuesday, whoa,

1608
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: which means he was falcon Tuesday. Well, he came out

1609
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday, which means the day he described, Yes,

1610
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: was it.

1611
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 3: A month Monday?

1612
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: Monday Monday for this diletant of an environmental lawyer who

1613
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: was like, you know what I'm gonna do today, I'm

1614
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: gonna drive up to the Hudson Valley. I'm going to

1615
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 1: a falcon all day. Oh hit a bear. Oh, but

1616
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 1: then I've got a dinner, just a random dinner at

1617
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,719
Speaker 1: Peter Luger Steakhouse on Monday evening and then we're gonna

1618
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 1: get wasted. I won't be wasted because I'm sober, and

1619
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: then we're gonna go dump this on. Not that any

1620
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: of this is okay on a Saturday, but this is

1621
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 1: Saturday behavior.

1622
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 3: This is not this is not Monday.

1623
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 1: This is not Monday behavior. So if this is a

1624
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 1: Monday for our k JR.

1625
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 3: My goodness, that's I mean. If I was the scion

1626
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 3: to the cat exactly, that's what he is, That's what

1627
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 3: I'd be doing on it. I would also be doing that.

1628
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 3: He is who you think he is, and he's a balcony.

1629
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 2: He's uh, he's hanging out with Peter Lui. He's got

1630
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 2: a flight to catch and he's dropping off. My bear

1631
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 2: is you know, he's a health nut. And as I understand,

1632
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 2: you know, bears are like gross animals. I don't mean

1633
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 2: that in a disparaging way. I'm saying like they eat,

1634
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 2: they eat like trash, like rotten, garbage, killing.

1635
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 3: Rotish or gross.

1636
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't have to cook the ship out of

1637
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 2: it like to anyway. So I can't really see how

1638
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 2: it would be all that appetizing. Because he called he

1639
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 2: was like it was a beautiful bear and all that.

1640
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: I don't look at that and be like, oh, what

1641
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 2: a beautiful.

1642
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: Well he said it was a baby bear, so maybe maybe, yeah,

1643
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: he was less.

1644
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 2: Less riddled with trick and nosis. But yeah, I'm not

1645
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 2: I'm not eating bear that literal road.

1646
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: His actual road can That's the difference between Larry Larry

1647
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 1: David is never eating roadkill.

1648
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 3: But otherwise this is like dark Larry David behavior.

1649
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: It's like the whole thing and winding up on the

1650
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: news and the fact that he's married to Cheryl Hines.

1651
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 3: It's just what kind of world are we blessed to

1652
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 3: live in? It's a little bit too perfect.

1653
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 1: New reporting in Semaphore this week, and we can put

1654
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: this element up on the screen from media reporter.

1655
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 3: Max Tanney headline.

1656
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 1: Journals still can't confirm January story about un Agency for

1657
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: Palestinians and SOSAGA. If you remember, the New York Times

1658
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: and the Wall Street Journal both simultaneously roughly reported two

1659
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: facts on The New York Times reported that Israel had

1660
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: said that twelve people affiliated with UNRA employees had participated

1661
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: in some way in the October seventh attacks. The Wall

1662
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 1: Street Journal that quickly followed with an explosive story that

1663
01:22:54,680 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: said that according to intelligence sources, ten percent of UNRA

1664
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: employees had some affiliation and they were very loose in

1665
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: their definition of affiliation with Hamas or Palestinian Islamic yeah Jahad.

1666
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:11,759
Speaker 3: In the wake of that.

1667
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: The United States immediately suspended all aid going to the

1668
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: primary aid organization supplying doing relief efforts in Gaza, ultimately

1669
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: leading to a congressional ban on US funding as well

1670
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:32,679
Speaker 1: as to other countries around the world, also suspending funding

1671
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 1: for UNRA, which no doubt led to a significant number

1672
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: of deaths in Gaza, but also escalated the amount of suffering,

1673
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: probably exponentially between January and where we are now. And

1674
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: so what Semaphore did is they checked in on this

1675
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: reporting that the Wall Street Journal had done on this

1676
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: ten percent figure. And just I'll read this quote from

1677
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: a private email that was sent by Elena Charney, the

1678
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:08,759
Speaker 1: chief news editor that an email obtained by Semaphore. She wrote, quote,

1679
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 1: the fact that the Israeli claims haven't been backed up

1680
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: by solid evidence doesn't mean our reporting was inaccurate or misleading,

1681
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: that we have walked it back, or that there is

1682
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 1: a correctable error here. So, in other words, the Wall

1683
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: Street Journal, according to Semaphore's reporting, worked extremely hard to

1684
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: try to back up what it had already reported. It

1685
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 1: talked to intelligence sources in the US and Israel. It

1686
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: did its own it did its own forensic efforts to

1687
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: try to verify what they had already reported was the case,

1688
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: and they were unable to do so. And they basically

1689
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 1: concluded they can't stand up this reporting. But they say,

1690
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: we're standing by it because all we said was that

1691
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: Israel made this claim. Now, if you go back and

1692
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 1: read the Wall Street Journal report on first reference, all

1693
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: they say is intelligence sources.

1694
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal is an American newspaper.

1695
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 1: That strong implication there is that you have American intelligence

1696
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 1: sources that are making this claim. They reference intelligence sources

1697
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 1: like fourteen or fifteen times in that article. Only one

1698
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: time do they say, oh, yeah, by the way, are

1699
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 1: Israeli intelligent sources that were that we're relying on here.

1700
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:30,799
Speaker 1: And so yesterday I asked a State Department spokesperson, Matt Miller,

1701
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 1: about these revelations from Semaphore.

1702
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 3: We can roll this clip.

1703
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you saw there's a report in

1704
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: Semaphore that the Wall Street Journal tried valiantly to try

1705
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:44,839
Speaker 1: to confirm its reporting on the unreal allegations made by Israel.

1706
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 1: Talk to American intelligence sources, is rarely intelligences. We're completely

1707
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 1: unable to substantiate them. Does the State partner have anything

1708
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 1: new about those UNRA allegations? And in the future, will

1709
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: the State Department consider allegations coming from Israel differently? Give

1710
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: and that these have not yet been backed up, but

1711
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: such drastic medical So I did see that report.

1712
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 6: I think it is a good time to remind everyone

1713
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 6: that the action that we took was not in response

1714
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 6: to information that the Government of Israel brought to us.

1715
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 6: It was in response to UNRA coming to us and

1716
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 6: UNRE saying that they had received these allegations from the

1717
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 6: Government of Israel and they found them credible, And so

1718
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 6: that was what made us. That was what led us

1719
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,759
Speaker 6: to make the decision that we made. It wasn't getting

1720
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,759
Speaker 6: anything from the Government of Israel. Is when under itself

1721
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 6: said they found the allegations credible, that we thought it

1722
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 6: was an appropriate step to take to pause the funding.

1723
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he also we went back and forth a

1724
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 3: little bit longer.

1725
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: We also alluded to he also alluded to a statement

1726
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 1: by the United Nations, which.

1727
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 3: We can put up here. Put up this Reuter's element here.

1728
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: Basically, what the Unit Nations is saying is that they

1729
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: that they investigated Israeli claims that nineteen because eventually they

1730
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:58,759
Speaker 1: sent more They sent seven more staff names to UNREST

1731
01:26:58,760 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: saying that they had participated.

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Speaker 3: They investigated it and.

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Speaker 1: Found that nine likely or very likely participated in these attacks.

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Speaker 1: Now UNRA has also said, well, so, first of all,

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Speaker 1: UNRA never said that the ten percent claimed that ten

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Speaker 1: percent of their staff were hamas was credible. What happened

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Speaker 1: is that Israel shared this dossier of about twelve UNRA

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Speaker 1: employees saying that they had various levels of evidence that

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01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: they had participated in October seventh, and NRA immediately passed

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Speaker 1: that on to the State Department. There's no evidence that

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01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 1: they said, look we believe all of this, or just

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Speaker 1: saying like this is what these rallies have given us here,

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01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: like we don't want to cover it up for you,

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01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 1: were just going to share what Israelis have given you,

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01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 1: and the US used that the fact that UNRA passed

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01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: it on to them to then cut all the funding.

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Speaker 1: They said that for seven of the nineteen or for

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01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: many of the nineteen they were unable to find any

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01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 1: evidence that has happened, but for nine, and they said

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Speaker 1: it's likely that they actually did participate. Now ONRA has

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Speaker 1: about thirty five thousand employees.

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Speaker 3: It's the biggest employer in.

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01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 1: Gaza, uh teachers, janitors, custodians like and on and on.

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01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: So it actually would be kind of shocking that only nine,

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01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: you know, were somehow involved in the arm resistance there,

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Speaker 1: Like you would you would kind of you would you

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Speaker 1: think in a society like let's say in the United States,

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Speaker 1: like if there's an arm if there's the National Guard

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01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: is going you know, a certain percentage of your teachers

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Speaker 1: are in the National Guard.

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Speaker 3: Like this's just kind of how it works.

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Speaker 1: So it did, and and and the allegations against some

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01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 1: of these nine were that there were civilians but once

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Speaker 1: once the fence was busted, like they went across, did

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Speaker 1: some like looting or some otherwise participated in the like

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01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: the ransacking of southern Israel, which in some areas went

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Speaker 1: on for several days, like it was complete and total chaos. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, did that happen? Yes, The unres says it's

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Speaker 1: highly likely that a handful of them did. But the

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Speaker 1: rajor claim was that ten percent number, because that is

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Speaker 1: much more systemic and goes to a central rot If

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Speaker 1: that is true, we have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that

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01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: it's true, and it just gets repeated, and for US

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01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 1: media to stand by it because they say, well Israel,

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01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 1: Israel says it's true. Try to flip it around. Remember

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01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 1: when there was a bombing of the hospital and Hamas said,

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01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 1: and there may be some mistranslation going on, but Hamas

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01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 1: five hundred casualties, which then got translated to five hundred

1779
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 1: deaths from an Israeli rocket attack. And then there was speculator, wait,

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01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 1: maybe this was a p IJ rocket that actually landed

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01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 1: arrantly here. Since then there's been counter speculation that, well, actually,

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01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: maybe it was an iron dome rocket. The New York

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01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 1: Times issued a public apology for its headline that said

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01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 1: Hamas claims five hundred dead, but Hamas did claim, Well,

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01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: they mistranslated it. But let's pretend hot Hamas did claim that.

1786
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 1: So in just the same way that Israel is claiming X.

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01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 1: So the American media uses the fact that Israel is

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01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 1: claiming X to stand by their reporting. But when Hamas

1789
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 1: claims X and then that's called in a question.

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Speaker 3: There's a public mayor cultus.

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Speaker 1: So which is it? Like, what's the standard here? And

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01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 1: obviously the standard is the bias is extreme towards Israel.

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01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 2: Here and you also challenged the State Department spokesperson again incity.

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01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is an interesting one.

1795
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,799
Speaker 1: The IDF announced that it had assassinated the economy minister.

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Speaker 1: And according to international law, and we can discuss this,

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01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: you actually can't go around just assassinating civilian ministers or

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01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 1: like the CEOs of like let's say, Raytheon.

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01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 3: Maybe you should be able to It's an interesting question.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's let's roll roll this clip from this day

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01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 3: Spartan briefing.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday, the IDF also announced that they assassinated the Gaza

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Speaker 1: Minister of the Economy.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious if does the State Department consider somebody like

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Speaker 3: that to be a combatant.

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01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 8: So I do know, I didn't see that announcement. I

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Speaker 8: don't know who the person was.

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01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 6: I don't know if he had an active role in

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01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 6: you know, Hamas' military wing or not.

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01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 8: So I would to be able to answer that question.

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01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:34,719
Speaker 8: I'd have to know more about.

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Speaker 14: This specific said his they said his They said he

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01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,600
Speaker 14: counts because he had a roll over the economy, and

1814
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 14: the economy has a rollover manufacturing, and within manufacturing there

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01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 14: are weapons that are manufactured.

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01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 6: Again, I would have I'd have to look at it

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01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 6: more detailed before I could give you any kind of

1818
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 6: detailed assessment.

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01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 1: So at least in his response there he's he actually

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01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 1: is assuming that he needs to have ties to the

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01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 1: military wing in order to be combat Did you notice

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01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 1: that in a response.

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01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, which Israel does not believe.

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01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, as you and I were talking a

1825
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 2: little bit before, there is an interesting question as to

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Speaker 2: whether that should be a legitimate target. I actually kind

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01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 2: of do think so, I'm not justifying the strike. I'm

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01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:16,320
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, well, in a total war, you go

1829
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 2: to war in the totality of the society. That's actually

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01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 2: what a war looks like. Now, though, if we zoom

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01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 2: out a little bit, what I think you're getting at

1832
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 2: is that the US defense is always like, well, that's

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01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 2: complying with international law, and it's like, well, obviously that

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01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 2: is outside the scope of what a real total war

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01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,679
Speaker 2: would look like. I just think broadly, the media example

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01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 2: of what you gave and the falling apart of so

1837
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 2: many of these stories in American newsrooms, has really diminished

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01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 2: a lot of their credibility, from the October seventh rape

1839
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 2: story that they've never retracted to the Wall Street Journal

1840
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 2: story which had massive holes in it at the time.

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01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:53,320
Speaker 2: At every instance, a lot of these organizations they bet

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Speaker 2: their reputation by, you know, basically believing their sources and

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01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 2: then are refusing to issue retractions, which is just massively

1844
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 2: intrumental to their long term reputation on any future conflict.

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01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 1: For what it looks like, and it's wild because Israel is.

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01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 2: Not going to be mad at the Wall Street Journal.

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01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 2: They got what they want. They got what they wanted,

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01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 2: they got what they needed.

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01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 1: And the Israeli comment was very clear at the time

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01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 1: that they were trying to get UNRAS shut down and

1851
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 1: diminished and destroyed, and this was a method of doing that.

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01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 1: It worked, you know, so they're satisfied if the Wall

1853
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 1: Street Journal at this point put an update. We can't

1854
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 1: verify any of this, like it wouldn't it wouldn't like

1855
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be like all of a sudden, Congress would

1856
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: then reauthorize funding for UNRA like you won.

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01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got what you wanted congratulations. All right, well,

1858
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 3: thank you Ryan for breaking that down. It was super interesting.

1859
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 2: Just another good media example of what all of this

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01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 2: is going to look like. And as we continue to

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Speaker 2: parse all of those events, think, I'm glad you were here,

1862
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 2: my friend. It was fast show, we got the VP pick.

1863
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 2: That's a big show that people are going to remember

1864
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Speaker 2: for breaking points. We will see you all later.

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Speaker 8: Would keep