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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I am Lisa
Speaker 2: gar and my guests CJ. Llewellen, who is the author
Speaker 2: of a book called Chakra and the Vegas Nerve, has
Speaker 2: dedicated most of her life to communicating about this very
Speaker 2: central communication system in our body called the Vegas nerve.
Speaker 2: And because the book's titled Chakras and the Vegas Nerve,
Speaker 2: I have to ask you, CJ, what is the relationship
Speaker 2: between the vegas nerve and the chakras.
Speaker 3: It's frankly quite mind blowing. I started to see it now.
Speaker 3: I am a riki master and I am an intuitive.
Speaker 3: I started to see as I would process some trauma
Speaker 3: through through clients, their messaging systems and just the variants
Speaker 3: of their bodies that were processing through me, making me
Speaker 3: meaning we're all aligning with where the vagus nerve is
Speaker 3: along the chakras. And I just worked like that for
Speaker 3: years before I realized, oh my gosh, there's a booking here.
Speaker 2: So most of the people you saw, the central location
Speaker 2: of the trauma was usually all along this.
Speaker 3: Nerve, not always, but there was a predominant messaging that
Speaker 3: seemed to be taking place. So I started breaking down
Speaker 3: the root chakra, the sacred chakra, the solar plexus is
Speaker 3: what I was calling in my head sort of the essential,
Speaker 3: because that seemed to be where the messaging of early
Speaker 3: childhood wounds, what we call attachment wounds, were processing. And
Speaker 3: the lower the more the memories were not able to
Speaker 3: be recalled, they were feeling them in their bodies. We
Speaker 3: call that implicit memories. So you know, things that happened
Speaker 3: to us as a baby that we have held information
Speaker 3: in our bodies, but we didn't have the brain capacity
Speaker 3: yet to have a more logical or explicit memory. So
Speaker 3: it was watching the messaging that we're going along with
Speaker 3: the root chakra, the survival, that the sacral chakras, the
Speaker 3: chakra of connection, and that full of plexus is that
Speaker 3: sort of identity, you know, the mind I call that
Speaker 3: in the book the mind chakra. And then as we
Speaker 3: get up into the heart chakra, the throat chakra, the
Speaker 3: third eye, and the crown. Just as we were just
Speaker 3: talking about, that's ventral vagel activity. That is where the
Speaker 3: ventral vagel nerves are that portion of the vagus nerve
Speaker 3: that's our safety. So while there may have been memory
Speaker 3: stored in certain air is of that body that those
Speaker 3: energy centers, there's also a lot of restoration that starts
Speaker 3: occurring once we process the trauma out people are making
Speaker 3: meaning there was a lot of heart chakra opening up.
Speaker 3: People were able to communicate suddenly and speak where maybe
Speaker 3: as children they were they felt their voices weren't heard
Speaker 3: and they were told to be quiet. Things would loosen up.
Speaker 3: So it was really powerful and it was moving to
Speaker 3: see this this information center. While and frankly, I'll be
Speaker 3: honest with you, I think they're one in the same system.
Speaker 3: I just think one is what we can put our
Speaker 3: hands on. You know, our vagus nerve is something that
Speaker 3: we can actually see and study. Uh, the etheric energies
Speaker 3: seem to extend outward from the vegas nerve. We can't
Speaker 3: measure of them is easily, but they are there. They're there,
Speaker 3: They're they're experienced all the time. We know this and
Speaker 3: a lot of the people that are listening know this
Speaker 3: because they've had these experiences.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it as also a raking master and
Speaker 2: an intuitive where you're able to I mean, tell me
Speaker 2: how that you experience the intuitive part of it.
Speaker 3: So I hold a lot of space for my clients
Speaker 3: to start feeling comfortable with their own intuition. That's where
Speaker 3: I hold back on my own engagement because I don't
Speaker 3: want to feel like I am taking their uh disempowered.
Speaker 3: I don't want to feel like I'm disempowering them. I
Speaker 3: want them to start really understanding because I so believe
Speaker 3: what we are all intuitive. If we listen, we all
Speaker 3: have these gifts. I want them to start really feeling
Speaker 3: that comfort in their body, feeling the messaging in their body.
Speaker 3: But I'm watching this, you know, it's I'm working with them.
Speaker 3: I'm watching this process and I'm hoping helpful, hopefully helping
Speaker 3: them to facilitate some of that intuitibility. But you know,
Speaker 3: I would just I would just see it, and I
Speaker 3: would kind of hold the space for them to really
Speaker 3: drop down and listen, because all in all intuitive processing, mediumship, reiki,
Speaker 3: anything that has that those spiritual components about it, you
Speaker 3: have to drop down into your body to hear and
Speaker 3: see the messages. And that's where to me, the psychological
Speaker 3: is a spiritual because it is our bodies that are intuiting,
Speaker 3: whether we're doing mediumship work, whether we are listening to
Speaker 3: the uh, the chakras and the areas as we're working
Speaker 3: through you know, processing with reiki, we're utilizing the messaging
Speaker 3: through our own body, even though we are reaching beyond
Speaker 3: the body for healing as well.
Speaker 2: It's got to be very I mean satisfying to see
Speaker 2: people unlock this level of trauma and their body really
Speaker 2: truly light up and go from pain to expansion when
Speaker 2: it works, when it actually works.
Speaker 3: It absolutely is And what happens is they have more rooms,
Speaker 3: they have more room to access their own lights, their
Speaker 3: own soul. And I also very much believe that the
Speaker 3: soul within us, and I have to be careful with
Speaker 3: that because I am there to meet people where they're
Speaker 3: at within their own spiritual journey. So I'm not in there,
Speaker 3: you know, talking about soul all the time, because I
Speaker 3: have people who don't, you know, who believe you know,
Speaker 3: that we are once we're dead, we're gone. I cannot
Speaker 3: you know, reconstruct that for them at all. That wouldn't
Speaker 3: be right for me. But this this light within us,
Speaker 3: I feel, is really directing a lot of and needs
Speaker 3: to have the expansion within it to have its experience
Speaker 3: in this world, and we can get so bogged down
Speaker 3: because our very human aspect of us is trying to
Speaker 3: keep us safe. Well, yes, that's to me spiritual doing
Speaker 3: the trauma work as spiritual.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I mean. But the also this trauma,
Speaker 2: when it gets launched in the body, can it manifest
Speaker 2: into physical pains or oh yes, bones, discs things like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely absolutely sometimes you know, and if it's held
Speaker 3: onto too long. Now it's feel like the more we try,
Speaker 3: you know, I tell my client is all the time,
Speaker 3: the more you're trying to stuck this down, the harder
Speaker 3: it's getting in your body. You start, you know, developing
Speaker 3: vowel obstructions, you start developing neck pain, your fascia hold
Speaker 3: on to things, that's you know, you start getting experiences
Speaker 3: within your fashion. It might be pain that is really
Speaker 3: registering lack of safety, but you think you're having a
Speaker 3: medical issue. So yes, it absolutely does.
Speaker 2: So it can fully register in the body and manifest
Speaker 2: and where when you could think it's a physical problem
Speaker 2: or a disc problem or something, and you go to
Speaker 2: someone who's a trauma therapist such as yourself, and you
Speaker 2: can find that it's actually all stored in this vegus
Speaker 2: nerve and there's a lot of science behind this too,
Speaker 2: which is really interesting. But you put it together with
Speaker 2: the chakras and the reiki and the mediumship and you
Speaker 2: really bring it all into one place. So I also
Speaker 2: you all use I noticed you use a lot of
Speaker 2: em DR techniques. What is the what is EMDR and
Speaker 2: how does that relate to this?
Speaker 3: So E m d R is, Yes, it's one of
Speaker 3: my mortalities that I'm trained in. That's the use of
Speaker 3: bilateral simulation to clear things out of your body. Freensine
Speaker 3: Shapiro developed this back in the nineties. Now, back then
Speaker 3: polyvagel theory was just emerging as well, So we had
Speaker 3: all these really cool theories, you know, kind of growing
Speaker 3: up side by side. We knew, uh EMDR therapist knew Wow,
Speaker 3: when we process out a trauma using eye movement back
Speaker 3: in the day, it was eye movement that mimicked rem
Speaker 3: sleeps that there was a there was really evidence of
Speaker 3: the disturbance believe being leviated from the body. Well, now
Speaker 3: we know through poly bagel theory that the ocular nerves
Speaker 3: through that bilateral stimulation or some blood flowed down into
Speaker 3: the body and so that's that's helping to work everything through.
Speaker 3: That's a really big term, but you know, that's helping
Speaker 3: to really process out whatever might be stuck in there
Speaker 3: and with you know, em d R. At the basis
Speaker 3: of EMDR I movement, desensitization and processing was developed because,
Speaker 3: for instance, Shapiro noticed her eyes were going back and
Speaker 3: forth when she was thinking about something deep. She was
Speaker 3: working through a problem. And you know, isn't that really
Speaker 3: how all great things were discovered? Is something that's occurring
Speaker 3: within you and you realize, oh, hey, this might be
Speaker 3: a thing.
Speaker 2: Yes. Actually, that's my question for you is how did
Speaker 2: you get into this?
Speaker 3: So I just I was drawn to the commune vcation aspects.
Speaker 3: I really did not think that I would ever be
Speaker 3: a trauma therapist. All I knew is I wanted to
Speaker 3: work with women, and unfortunately, working with women also meant
Speaker 3: that there was a lot excuse me, there was a
Speaker 3: lot of sexual trauma within.
Speaker 2: Yes, I do the same thing. I coach for women,
Speaker 2: and I hear about it all the time.
Speaker 3: It's it's yeah, that's a tangent we go off. But
Speaker 3: but that is what led me down the path of
Speaker 3: I need more, I need more information, I need ways
Speaker 3: to help this, and that's what led me to finding
Speaker 3: modalities that were going to help me, you know, clear
Speaker 3: this out and help me even understand what it was,
Speaker 3: because I also work with addictions and eating disorders, and
Speaker 3: that's that is a problem in itself because it becomes
Speaker 3: a problem, but it is really the attempt at solving
Speaker 3: another problem. You know. Substance abuse generally one way of
Speaker 3: trying to manage an over sensitive system, a traumatized system.
Speaker 3: It's trying to in some ways, you know, modulate.
Speaker 2: That, yes, And so it led you into finding exercises
Speaker 2: and ways to release this pain. And actually, I do
Speaker 2: understand what you're talking about. I do story coaching with women,
Speaker 2: and I hear the most horrific stories, and through what
Speaker 2: they've learned on the other side of their stories, are
Speaker 2: they able to heal And by telling it over and
Speaker 2: over again to people that they can help circumvent that
Speaker 2: same type of journey or learn a way out of it,
Speaker 2: is healing for them. But this experience here gets into
Speaker 2: where the trauma is stored and starts to release it
Speaker 2: actually starts with this. So could you tell us some
Speaker 2: of the techniques that you use to start releasing the trauma?
Speaker 3: Well, I use I think that it's important to know
Speaker 3: that before we go in and actually work through the trauma.
Speaker 3: What people see is you know, identifying trauma, doing the.
Speaker 2: E M DR on it.
Speaker 3: We have to assess if that's how that person feels safe,
Speaker 3: if that person has ever felt safe, So we have
Speaker 3: to develop part of the training as a trauma therapist
Speaker 3: is to really help that person understand what is safety
Speaker 3: for them. Notice if they're going into dorsal vegel shutdown,
Speaker 3: how they're doing, how they're dissociating. So there's a lot
Speaker 3: of preparation and I use a lot of these examples
Speaker 3: in the book as to some of the ways that
Speaker 3: have helped clients develop resources for themselves that when we
Speaker 3: do start to touching those thoughts of the trauma, they
Speaker 3: can help themselves stay present to the processing while we're
Speaker 3: working it out. But if we go right in there
Speaker 3: right away and extract it, their system is used to
Speaker 3: just shutting down techniques. Yeah. So, so part of the
Speaker 3: first aspects of approaching anybody helping them abbeviate trauma is
Speaker 3: helping them feel safe enough to actually allow for that
Speaker 3: trauma processing to happen. But I do I do a
Speaker 3: lot of MDR and I also do a lot of
Speaker 3: internal family systems, which is really amazing. What is that well,
Speaker 3: internal family systems to me is a very spiritual process.
Speaker 3: It gets to know these multiple aspects of our identity,
Speaker 3: who we are as people. We are not one person
Speaker 3: walking around in the world. We develop multiple identities personalities
Speaker 3: that help us engage with the world. These are our parts.
Speaker 3: But our parts kick in early, and some of them
Speaker 3: are pretty burdened in the beginning if they're trying to
Speaker 3: get through childhood having to do things that they're not
Speaker 3: capable of doing, but they're trying to protect the system
Speaker 3: prior to them understanding that we have a higher self,
Speaker 3: that we have that light, that full light that I
Speaker 3: was just referring to. So getting is sometimes it's hard
Speaker 3: to do the other work because we have these amazing
Speaker 3: protectors that won't let you in. So those are the
Speaker 3: child parts. Those are the parts we get to know.
Speaker 3: We get to help them understand that they are so safe.
Speaker 3: They get to know that they have a higher self
Speaker 3: in here, a higher wiser light within us that can
Speaker 3: actually be the one that's present because our soul can
Speaker 3: be present to a lot in this world and not
Speaker 3: be turned around by it. I mean, we know this.
Speaker 2: It feels like there are so many different approaches to
Speaker 2: trauma and I'm looking forward to the next hour where
Speaker 2: we could take calls from people who have feel like
Speaker 2: they have trauma store in their body but they want
Speaker 2: they want to find out the connection to how they
Speaker 2: can release it in the vegus nerve or how that
Speaker 2: can move out of their body, and it could be
Speaker 2: just create more space for people. It's not a tough technique,
Speaker 2: but it has a great, great expansive possibilities in order
Speaker 2: to get someone to a little bit more freedom, a
Speaker 2: little bit more space in their life. Right.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's safety, and that is the key to anything
Speaker 3: suit in our life. We cannot pursue things unless we
Speaker 3: feel safe. If we're feeling safe in our mind and
Speaker 3: we feel safe in our body, we can become more
Speaker 3: spiritual because we can access more because we're safe. Safety
Speaker 3: is primary to us as humans.
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