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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I am Lisa

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Speaker 2: gar and my guests CJ. Llewellen, who is the author

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Speaker 2: of a book called Chakra and the Vegas Nerve, has

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Speaker 2: dedicated most of her life to communicating about this very

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Speaker 2: central communication system in our body called the Vegas nerve.

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Speaker 2: And because the book's titled Chakras and the Vegas Nerve,

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Speaker 2: I have to ask you, CJ, what is the relationship

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Speaker 2: between the vegas nerve and the chakras.

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Speaker 3: It's frankly quite mind blowing. I started to see it now.

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Speaker 3: I am a riki master and I am an intuitive.

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Speaker 3: I started to see as I would process some trauma

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Speaker 3: through through clients, their messaging systems and just the variants

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Speaker 3: of their bodies that were processing through me, making me

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Speaker 3: meaning we're all aligning with where the vagus nerve is

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Speaker 3: along the chakras. And I just worked like that for

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Speaker 3: years before I realized, oh my gosh, there's a booking here.

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Speaker 2: So most of the people you saw, the central location

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Speaker 2: of the trauma was usually all along this.

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Speaker 3: Nerve, not always, but there was a predominant messaging that

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Speaker 3: seemed to be taking place. So I started breaking down

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Speaker 3: the root chakra, the sacred chakra, the solar plexus is

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Speaker 3: what I was calling in my head sort of the essential,

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Speaker 3: because that seemed to be where the messaging of early

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Speaker 3: childhood wounds, what we call attachment wounds, were processing. And

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Speaker 3: the lower the more the memories were not able to

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Speaker 3: be recalled, they were feeling them in their bodies. We

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Speaker 3: call that implicit memories. So you know, things that happened

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Speaker 3: to us as a baby that we have held information

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Speaker 3: in our bodies, but we didn't have the brain capacity

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Speaker 3: yet to have a more logical or explicit memory. So

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Speaker 3: it was watching the messaging that we're going along with

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Speaker 3: the root chakra, the survival, that the sacral chakras, the

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Speaker 3: chakra of connection, and that full of plexus is that

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Speaker 3: sort of identity, you know, the mind I call that

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Speaker 3: in the book the mind chakra. And then as we

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Speaker 3: get up into the heart chakra, the throat chakra, the

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Speaker 3: third eye, and the crown. Just as we were just

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Speaker 3: talking about, that's ventral vagel activity. That is where the

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Speaker 3: ventral vagel nerves are that portion of the vagus nerve

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Speaker 3: that's our safety. So while there may have been memory

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Speaker 3: stored in certain air is of that body that those

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Speaker 3: energy centers, there's also a lot of restoration that starts

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Speaker 3: occurring once we process the trauma out people are making

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Speaker 3: meaning there was a lot of heart chakra opening up.

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Speaker 3: People were able to communicate suddenly and speak where maybe

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Speaker 3: as children they were they felt their voices weren't heard

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Speaker 3: and they were told to be quiet. Things would loosen up.

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Speaker 3: So it was really powerful and it was moving to

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Speaker 3: see this this information center. While and frankly, I'll be

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Speaker 3: honest with you, I think they're one in the same system.

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Speaker 3: I just think one is what we can put our

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Speaker 3: hands on. You know, our vagus nerve is something that

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Speaker 3: we can actually see and study. Uh, the etheric energies

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Speaker 3: seem to extend outward from the vegas nerve. We can't

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Speaker 3: measure of them is easily, but they are there. They're there,

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Speaker 3: They're they're experienced all the time. We know this and

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Speaker 3: a lot of the people that are listening know this

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Speaker 3: because they've had these experiences.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it as also a raking master and

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Speaker 2: an intuitive where you're able to I mean, tell me

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Speaker 2: how that you experience the intuitive part of it.

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Speaker 3: So I hold a lot of space for my clients

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Speaker 3: to start feeling comfortable with their own intuition. That's where

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Speaker 3: I hold back on my own engagement because I don't

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Speaker 3: want to feel like I am taking their uh disempowered.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to feel like I'm disempowering them. I

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Speaker 3: want them to start really understanding because I so believe

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Speaker 3: what we are all intuitive. If we listen, we all

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Speaker 3: have these gifts. I want them to start really feeling

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Speaker 3: that comfort in their body, feeling the messaging in their body.

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Speaker 3: But I'm watching this, you know, it's I'm working with them.

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Speaker 3: I'm watching this process and I'm hoping helpful, hopefully helping

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Speaker 3: them to facilitate some of that intuitibility. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I would just I would just see it, and I

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Speaker 3: would kind of hold the space for them to really

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Speaker 3: drop down and listen, because all in all intuitive processing, mediumship, reiki,

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Speaker 3: anything that has that those spiritual components about it, you

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Speaker 3: see the messages. And that's where to me, the psychological

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Speaker 3: is a spiritual because it is our bodies that are intuiting,

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Speaker 3: whether we're doing mediumship work, whether we are listening to

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Speaker 3: the uh, the chakras and the areas as we're working

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Speaker 3: through you know, processing with reiki, we're utilizing the messaging

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Speaker 3: through our own body, even though we are reaching beyond

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Speaker 3: the body for healing as well.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be very I mean satisfying to see

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Speaker 2: people unlock this level of trauma and their body really

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Speaker 2: truly light up and go from pain to expansion when

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Speaker 2: it works, when it actually works.

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Speaker 3: It absolutely is And what happens is they have more rooms,

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Speaker 3: they have more room to access their own lights, their

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Speaker 3: own soul. And I also very much believe that the

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Speaker 3: soul within us, and I have to be careful with

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Speaker 3: that because I am there to meet people where they're

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Speaker 3: at within their own spiritual journey. So I'm not in there,

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Speaker 3: you know, talking about soul all the time, because I

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Speaker 3: have people who don't, you know, who believe you know,

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Speaker 3: that we are once we're dead, we're gone. I cannot

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Speaker 3: you know, reconstruct that for them at all. That wouldn't

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Speaker 3: be right for me. But this this light within us,

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Speaker 3: I feel, is really directing a lot of and needs

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Speaker 3: to have the expansion within it to have its experience

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Speaker 3: in this world, and we can get so bogged down

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Speaker 3: because our very human aspect of us is trying to

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Speaker 3: keep us safe. Well, yes, that's to me spiritual doing

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Speaker 3: the trauma work as spiritual.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I mean. But the also this trauma,

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Speaker 2: when it gets launched in the body, can it manifest

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Speaker 2: into physical pains or oh yes, bones, discs things like that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely absolutely sometimes you know, and if it's held

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Speaker 3: onto too long. Now it's feel like the more we try,

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Speaker 3: you know, I tell my client is all the time,

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Speaker 3: the more you're trying to stuck this down, the harder

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Speaker 3: it's getting in your body. You start, you know, developing

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Speaker 3: vowel obstructions, you start developing neck pain, your fascia hold

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Speaker 3: on to things, that's you know, you start getting experiences

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Speaker 3: within your fashion. It might be pain that is really

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Speaker 3: registering lack of safety, but you think you're having a

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Speaker 3: medical issue. So yes, it absolutely does.

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Speaker 2: So it can fully register in the body and manifest

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Speaker 2: and where when you could think it's a physical problem

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Speaker 2: or a disc problem or something, and you go to

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Speaker 2: someone who's a trauma therapist such as yourself, and you

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Speaker 2: can find that it's actually all stored in this vegus

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Speaker 2: nerve and there's a lot of science behind this too,

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Speaker 2: which is really interesting. But you put it together with

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Speaker 2: really bring it all into one place. So I also

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Speaker 2: you all use I noticed you use a lot of

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Speaker 2: em DR techniques. What is the what is EMDR and

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Speaker 2: how does that relate to this?

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Speaker 3: So E m d R is, Yes, it's one of

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Speaker 3: my mortalities that I'm trained in. That's the use of

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Speaker 3: bilateral simulation to clear things out of your body. Freensine

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Speaker 3: Shapiro developed this back in the nineties. Now, back then

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Speaker 3: polyvagel theory was just emerging as well, So we had

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Speaker 3: all these really cool theories, you know, kind of growing

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Speaker 3: up side by side. We knew, uh EMDR therapist knew Wow,

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Speaker 3: when we process out a trauma using eye movement back

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Speaker 3: in the day, it was eye movement that mimicked rem

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Speaker 3: sleeps that there was a there was really evidence of

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Speaker 3: the disturbance believe being leviated from the body. Well, now

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Speaker 3: we know through poly bagel theory that the ocular nerves

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Speaker 3: through that bilateral stimulation or some blood flowed down into

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Speaker 3: the body and so that's that's helping to work everything through.

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Speaker 3: That's a really big term, but you know, that's helping

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Speaker 3: for instance, Shapiro noticed her eyes were going back and

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Speaker 3: forth when she was thinking about something deep. She was

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Speaker 3: working through a problem. And you know, isn't that really

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Speaker 3: how all great things were discovered? Is something that's occurring

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Speaker 2: Yes. Actually, that's my question for you is how did

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Speaker 3: So I just I was drawn to the commune vcation aspects.

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Speaker 3: I really did not think that I would ever be

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Speaker 3: a trauma therapist. All I knew is I wanted to

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Speaker 3: work with women, and unfortunately, working with women also meant

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Speaker 3: that there was a lot excuse me, there was a

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Speaker 3: lot of sexual trauma within.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do the same thing. I coach for women,

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Speaker 2: and I hear about it all the time.

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Speaker 3: It's it's yeah, that's a tangent we go off. But

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Speaker 3: because I also work with addictions and eating disorders, and

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Speaker 3: that's that is a problem in itself because it becomes

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Speaker 3: another problem. You know. Substance abuse generally one way of

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Speaker 3: trying to manage an over sensitive system, a traumatized system.

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Speaker 2: That, yes, And so it led you into finding exercises

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Speaker 2: and ways to release this pain. And actually, I do

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Speaker 2: understand what you're talking about. I do story coaching with women,

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Speaker 2: and I hear the most horrific stories, and through what

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Speaker 2: they able to heal And by telling it over and

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Speaker 2: over again to people that they can help circumvent that

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Speaker 2: is healing for them. But this experience here gets into

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Speaker 2: where the trauma is stored and starts to release it

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Speaker 2: actually starts with this. So could you tell us some

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Speaker 2: of the techniques that you use to start releasing the trauma?

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Speaker 3: Well, I use I think that it's important to know

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Speaker 3: that before we go in and actually work through the trauma.

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Speaker 3: What people see is you know, identifying trauma, doing the.

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Speaker 2: E M DR on it.

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Speaker 3: We have to assess if that's how that person feels safe,

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Speaker 3: if that person has ever felt safe, So we have

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Speaker 3: to develop part of the training as a trauma therapist

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Speaker 3: is to really help that person understand what is safety

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Speaker 3: how they're doing, how they're dissociating. So there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of preparation and I use a lot of these examples

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Speaker 3: internal family systems, which is really amazing. What is that well,

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Speaker 3: internal family systems to me is a very spiritual process.

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Speaker 3: It gets to know these multiple aspects of our identity,

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Speaker 3: who we are as people. We are not one person

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Speaker 3: But our parts kick in early, and some of them

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Speaker 3: prior to them understanding that we have a higher self,

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Speaker 3: that we have that light, that full light that I

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Speaker 3: was just referring to. So getting is sometimes it's hard

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Speaker 3: to do the other work because we have these amazing

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Speaker 3: protectors that won't let you in. So those are the

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Speaker 3: child parts. Those are the parts we get to know.

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Speaker 3: We get to help them understand that they are so safe.

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Speaker 3: They get to know that they have a higher self

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Speaker 3: in here, a higher wiser light within us that can

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Speaker 2: It feels like there are so many different approaches to

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Speaker 2: we could take calls from people who have feel like

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Speaker 2: they have trauma store in their body but they want

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Speaker 2: they want to find out the connection to how they

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Speaker 2: can release it in the vegus nerve or how that

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Speaker 2: can move out of their body, and it could be

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Speaker 2: just create more space for people. It's not a tough technique,

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Speaker 2: but it has a great, great expansive possibilities in order

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Speaker 2: to get someone to a little bit more freedom, a

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's safety, and that is the key to anything

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Speaker 3: suit in our life. We cannot pursue things unless we

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Speaker 3: feel safe. If we're feeling safe in our mind and

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Speaker 3: we feel safe in our body, we can become more

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Speaker 3: spiritual because we can access more because we're safe. Safety

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Speaker 3: is primary to us as humans.

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