1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Julia Beverley, photojournalists and rap historian. You 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: can catch me on the Bootleg keV podcasts. 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: It's not the Plan Boutleg cav podcast. We got a 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: special guest in here, Julia Beverley. 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: I am here. 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, a hip hop historian, publisher, photographer, author, what else. 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: I like it? 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 2: Yeah? 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: Photographer. I really consider myself a photographer, but I have 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: I wear a lot of hats. I do what needs 11 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: to be done. 12 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: I was going to say it's a job done. So 13 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: you would consider like photography your main like passion would be. 14 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: Like yes, Ever since I was probably like ten or eleven, 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: I've just taken a million photos of everything going on 16 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: in my life, So I kind of carried that over 17 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: into my once I became a hip hop you know, 18 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: journalist or whatever, that's still what I love to do. 19 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: So you're from er Orlando, Florida, right, I am shout 20 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: out to the four fun. 21 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: Fact I grew up. I spent a couple of years 22 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: in San Berardino, actually California. Yes for you, so nice? 23 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: Was there? 24 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: I was like nine years old, rolling the streets in 25 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: my little bike, you. 26 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: Know, dodging meth labs in San Bernardino. 27 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that was a part of my 28 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: experience back then, but they probably were there. 29 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: It's a wild place, man, San Bernardino's wild place. 30 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: I've heard that. It's like, you know, going a little downhills. 31 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: Yes, but it's hey, we shout out to San Bernardino. 32 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: Cyrus Is. That's where he represented I went. 33 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: I went to school and everything in Orlando, so that's 34 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: where I came up. Started Ozone Magazine, which is a 35 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: term for Orlando. 36 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: You know, we were trying to be correct or whatever 37 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: kind of so for people who don't know, because Ozone 38 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 2: was kind of I feel like ahead of its time 39 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,479 Speaker 2: a little. But in a world in which there was 40 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: so much representation for media outlets on the East Coast, 41 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: I mean really it was the East Coast driven thing 42 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: hip hop media as an industry, even though you know, 43 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: the West Coast didn't really have a I mean, yeah, 44 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: the West Coast don't really have anything to really represent 45 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: them without some sort of East close bias. But Ozone 46 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: Magazine pops up as a magazine that really championed like 47 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: a whole new wave that was going on in Southern 48 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: hip hop. So what was give me kind of the 49 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: rundown on how ozone was started. 50 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say it was almost like not an accident. 51 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: But I never set out to be like, Okay, let 52 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: me represent you know, Southern rap. I used to read, 53 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: of course, the Source, double XL all these magazines, and 54 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: I would see the photos and be like, how do 55 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: I become that photographer? I was. I was really young, 56 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: you know, eighteen nineteen, just started got a camera, just 57 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: started going to all these events. I remember the first, 58 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: like one of the very first events I went to 59 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: was like this radio show John Rules headlining or whatever, 60 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 1: and I shot, you know, I'm like broke, like eighteen 61 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: in Orlando, Yeah, and so shoot the show and go 62 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: backstage and they had like the whole catering tent and 63 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, I can get like free food. 64 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: That was that was like a big incentive. So I 65 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: always joke about that, you know, the industry. Free food 66 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: in the industry and was like half of the attraction 67 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: at the time. But so I wanted to shoot for 68 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: these magazines, so I started like trying to get in 69 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: contact with them, and you know, being a kid in 70 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: Orlando and like how do I get in touch with 71 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: these you know, New York publications. So there was a 72 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: graphic designer in Orlando called Mert Design is what he 73 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: went by. And so he had started this magazine which 74 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: he actually called it Orlando Source, so he literally just 75 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: took a little Orlando on the top. And so I 76 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: had got referred to him for his second issue, and 77 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: that was he wanted me to come, you know, work 78 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: with him. The first thing I said was like, I 79 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: think you probably need a new logo. I don't think 80 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: take their logo. I think they did actually send a 81 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: CS and assist at one point, but he changed the logo. 82 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: We did that together for about a year, and for me, 83 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: it was just I had this envisioned in my head 84 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: that I was gonna, you know, get discovered like Sort 85 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: or whoever, was gonna be like, oh, this photographer is great, like, 86 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: let's hire her. And so ultimately what happened like me 87 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: and him kind of fell out at a certain point 88 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: or didn't. We weren't seeing eye eye where we wanted 89 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: to go with it. So I had finished that I 90 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: was doing the creative side. He was doing the business side, 91 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: which is where the conflict came in because he would 92 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, they paid. They only paid four hundred 93 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: for an ad and I would find they paid seven hundred. 94 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 1: We were supposed to be splitting the money, you know. Anyway, 95 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: that's how that all kind of unraveled. But we we 96 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: had gotten to a point where he said, I'm not 97 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: going to do this anymore, and I had already finished 98 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: the next issue. And so Mercedes was one of our 99 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: street team people, and she was like, well, why would 100 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: you stop, Like, why don't you just change the name? 101 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you got you know, everybody, You've got all 102 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: the advertisers. And so that's kind of where it started 103 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: from because we did already have a base of like, 104 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: we had a lot of local companies that would advertise, 105 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: and so originally, even the early issues of Ozone, it's 106 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: like Orlando music or Florida Music, which is very heavily 107 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: you know, Latino influence. You got a lot of Caribbean influence. 108 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: So we had a lot of reggae artists, reggae tone 109 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: like it was kind of everything happening. 110 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 2: Was the first issue. And two who was on the 111 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: cover Red Dog, Yes. 112 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: He's from Orlando, Oh State. 113 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 2: Orlando Hip Hop Encyclopedia goes to uh Caskie what's the 114 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: guy's name? I will ever with a street Yes, S 115 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 2: Miles and South Star. The dude was in jail with 116 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 2: the dreasy cut him off. Fuck, I played shit in 117 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 2: the club. The song is called pussy n Words. 118 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: Wow, that's a new one to me. I mean, like 119 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: there was there was a lot of groups that had 120 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: like a couple of records. 121 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 2: Yess in South Star. 122 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: Kaya came out of Kaya actually shot her first album 123 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: cover in our office. 124 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 2: Is Kay from Orlando? She's from Tampa, Okay, That's what 125 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: I thought. Yeah, yeah, she earned a lot of bridges. Yeah, 126 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: everybody in Tampa, I know, was just they just have 127 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: terrible things to say about Kaya, And I'm like Jesus, 128 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: like I guess. 129 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: Well, I put it whoop. I printed all her mugshots 130 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: in one of our early issues. So she had been 131 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: arrested like twenty something times, and I just thought it 132 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: was a great visual. So we printed all the mug 133 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: shots and I remember, I don't know if it was 134 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: officially her people, but like somebody ran up on me 135 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: in the club and was like you know, and then 136 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: she ended up. I think she put it out as 137 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: a mixtape cover or something like that. 138 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: So you did her favorite that's for sure. Yeah, it's 139 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: crazy because like, yeah, I mean, she had an iconic record, 140 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: still was getting sampled and getting Yeah, for sure, I 141 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 2: was gonna say, like Florida hip hop in O two 142 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: oh three, that's like there's really not like right now 143 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: we think of Florida hip hop and it's just I mean, 144 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: it's so massive the state has blown up between I mean, 145 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 2: we just had like three rappers from Tallahassee alone at 146 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:32,119 Speaker 2: the BT Radio. 147 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: Well, it just happened to be in the right place 148 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: at the right time when you had I mean t 149 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: Pain from Tallahassee, I mean Pibble, Rick Ross floor rider. 150 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: Kalid was a. 151 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: Big influence when we ultimately ended. 152 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 2: Up doing because he has so much roots in Orlando. 153 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: Him and Nasty were in Orlando right early on to. 154 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: Do or maybe still does. Calid used to do the 155 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: Temple his birthday bash every year, so every artist you 156 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: could think of would come out and it would just 157 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: be like really organic, like you know, Diddy grabs a 158 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: mic and hands it's you know, kids or whatever, just 159 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: like this big party. So when we ultimately did the 160 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: Ozone Awards, I had Cali come do the opening set 161 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: because that was the like the inspiration was like his his. 162 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: I was like, just do what you do with your 163 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, your birthday back. So we had like Trick 164 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: Daddy and Pitbull and Ross and uh this is when 165 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: Ross had the hustling. So I was just there when 166 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: a lot of them had been bubbling for a while 167 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: and we're kind of on the precipice of just breaking 168 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, breaking through. And so when I started interviewing 169 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people, like like a pit Bull would 170 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: talk about how it was a blessing that he had 171 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: never got signed earlier. He was like, well, the New 172 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: York labels, you know, they ignored me so for so long. 173 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: It forced me to like build up this fan base. 174 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: I traveled around, I did all these shows. So, you know, 175 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: artists today it's almost like it's too easy, Like they 176 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: could be very young. If they get the right record, 177 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: then they're. 178 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: Immediately they're in the game right away without without a 179 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: lot of them have. 180 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: The history of the struggle traveling, you. 181 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: Know, staying in shitty hotels, going to a radio station 182 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: in the morning to just try to you know, for sure, 183 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: that's all part of the experience, one hundred percent. So 184 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: a lot of the. 185 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: Artists were experiencing the same thing I had experienced on 186 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: the journalism side, because I had tried to I mean, 187 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: I did some stuff here and there, like for The 188 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: Source and you know, some little freelance stuff, but they're 189 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: reached a certain point where I was kind of like, oh, like, 190 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: we're actually onto something here with this magazine. I don't 191 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: need to try to go work for a New York magazine. 192 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: So a lot of artists like pit Bull or PIPC 193 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: would talk about the same experience they had where they 194 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: were trying so long to get accepted by New York 195 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: and it just never happened. And finally they were like, 196 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: all right, I'll just I'll just do it my own way, 197 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: make my own. 198 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: Did the traditional magazines at the time were they peyton 199 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: or they did they embrace you? Because at the time, 200 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: there's like this weird like I don't know, man, there's 201 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 2: like The Source really turned into like a weirdo magazine 202 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 2: for a little bit. And then you know, obviously Elliott 203 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 2: Wilson was running it up, running circles around him at 204 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: XXL for a sec and you know, it felt like 205 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: such a competitive space. 206 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: I have some funny stories about that. I mean, and 207 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: so we're moving a little forward, like by this time, 208 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: you know, two thousand and five ish, like I'm realizing, 209 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: like there's really some money in this. And I think 210 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: what showed me too, Like the early issues I might 211 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: send I'd send like a box to like Montgomery, Alabama 212 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: or something, and I'd send like four boxes to Miami, 213 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, Miami's a bigger market. And people in Miami, 214 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they liked it, but they're kind of like 215 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: they have you know, three radio stations, and they. 216 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: Have Miamis, they have boom and city. 217 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: Places to go. Like the artists there don't really need 218 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: a platform, whereas I would get like one hundred calls 219 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: from Montgomery, all these DJs, artists, people that want to 220 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: get down. So I started to see there was a market. 221 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: And you know, the South is full of Tallahassee, Jacksonville, 222 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, Birmingham. I mean, there's there's so many like 223 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: sort of mid level markets that just don't have At 224 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: that time, they didn't have social media. So if they're 225 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: there's an artist they're trying to get on, they don't 226 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: have YouTube to show people what they look like. So 227 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: you know, they would advertise in the magazine, so I 228 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: saw that there was a real market. So Elliott Wilson 229 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: saw him yesterday a couple days ago, so, I mean, 230 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: we're cool and stuff. But he's always been one to 231 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: kind of like take shots at different people. So funny 232 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: story about him. Well, I remember at one point I 233 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: would go to New York and I would like drop 234 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: off magazines places. So I stopped by Double XL one 235 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: time just to drop off some magazines and he was 236 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: like the only person in the office. I think it 237 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: was like eight o'clock in the evening or whatever, and 238 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: I just remember him he said, Oh, you're not from 239 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: around here, are you like it? To me, it was 240 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: like people in New York kind of I don't know 241 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: if he meant it to be like like I took 242 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: it a certain way. I don't know that he meant 243 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: it that way. But to me, somebody from if I 244 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: asked somebody where they're from and they say, like Houston 245 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: or the Bay or LA, like, I kind of have 246 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: a sense of like where they're from and what kind 247 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: of you know, environment they're dealing with. And I felt 248 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: like New Yorker's had this idea like you're either from 249 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: New York or you're not, and it's one or the other, 250 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's that's kind of how 251 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: I perceived. It was like, Oh, you're not from here, 252 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: so you're just I don't really care where you're from. 253 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: I don't know where you're from. 254 00:10:58,880 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: You're just not from here. 255 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: So that's kind of how I took it. But later on, 256 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: like maybe a couple of years down the road, we 257 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: had never been able to get a distribution deal. Not 258 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: that I don't know that I put a whole lot 259 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: of effort into it, but it was always like a 260 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: street kind of thing. 261 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 2: You're getting printing done and you're. 262 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: Everything, load up the van, drive to you know, yeah, 263 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: because I would see your guys and stuff at like 264 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: record stores, like small like independent record stores like I think. 265 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: I might have saw it at like Tower Records. 266 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: We eventually did get a distribution deal, so I had 267 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: been trying. There's there's really at that time, there might 268 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: have been like two or three distributors, but there's really 269 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: only like one big distributor, which is Curtis, And they 270 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: did you know, double Excel and Source and all that, 271 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: and I had. 272 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: Thought they were the same distributor, so they were. They 273 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: were distributing both. 274 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: They were distributing like any news stand you go to, 275 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, pretty much goes through Curtis at least from 276 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: what I recall. And I had, you know, send them 277 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: copies of the magazine. They sent us like this standard 278 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: like rejection letter or whatever, and I hired a consultant 279 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: to try to harass them and try to get us 280 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: a distribution deal. But I had something about double Excel 281 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: in my editorial and Elliott responded like he put a 282 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: little line or something about ozone or whatever, and so 283 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: I copied it and sent it. It was always taking 284 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: shots at you know, the sauce and like all this stuff, 285 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: but he said something about like go down South with 286 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: the ozone or like it was something that could be 287 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: interpreted as like a dispack to us. So I copied it, 288 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: sent it to the distributor, and I don't know if 289 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: that was what did it, or the consultant or whatever, 290 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: but we got a distribution deal. And so it kind 291 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: of felt like, you know, if you're distributing this product 292 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, if you're battling with somebody, 293 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: they're an equal basically. So but the source, I mean, 294 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: I started, I met bou Rosario pretty early on. He 295 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: was a music editor or one of the music editors 296 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: at the Source, and he did the photo galleries in 297 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: the back. So I started sending him stuff and I 298 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: would be super excited if I got, like, you know, 299 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: my little. 300 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 2: Nare getting sometimes in the back of the sourcetography. 301 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: I would send them like hundreds of pictures and they 302 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: might pick, you know, two or three might make it, 303 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: but I'd be excited about that. And so I met 304 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: Kim and you know, shout out to Kim when she 305 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: was she was an editor at that point, she had 306 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: come down to Miami, I think to shoot Trina or something, 307 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: and you know, I would kind of throw it out there, like, 308 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: you guys should hire me to you know, work this out. 309 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like anyone took that super seriously, but 310 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: they did start giving me like a little assignment here 311 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: and there. And that's when they were I think starting 312 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: to fall apart as far as the yeah, on the 313 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: on the business side, and then also the eminem thing 314 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: was going on. It was it was a lot happening. 315 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 2: It was a lot happening. 316 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: Ben Zino left me the voicemail. 317 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember that, but I don't 318 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: what you know, what there's Listen, my brain is so 319 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: hip hop Friday at this point. Please catch me up 320 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: because I'm sure. 321 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I mean, we're skipping a lot, but we're 322 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: going to go back, all right. The Benzino voicemail, Oh 323 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 1: my gosh. Yeah, So I had been I'd been freelancing 324 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: for the Source like here and there, and I think 325 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: they owed me it might have been like eighteen hundred 326 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: dollars or something like that, which to again like I'm young. Yeah, 327 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: that's I mean, definitely rent in the cardinal like. 328 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: That's you know, sure, that's serious chunk of change back 329 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 2: especially back then. 330 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I think it had been it had 331 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: been maybe like a year, and you know, I had 332 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: like email the you know, corporate office. Nobody's responding, and 333 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: I think I didn't have the concept of what was 334 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: going on there at the time, like they were kind 335 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: of falling. 336 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 2: Apart, right the house was burning. 337 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: My little eighteen hundred or whatever it was was not 338 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: really a priority. But I ran into Dave somewhere in Miami, 339 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: and I mean shout out to Dave. He you know, 340 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: I respect what he did with the. 341 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: Source, And yeah, and he's got a. 342 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: He's got a break or break. 343 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, he bounced back him for sure. 344 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I always have respect for for David 345 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: what he accomplished with the Source. But I do think, 346 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, there was like some missteps in the in 347 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: the later years. But on this particular occasion, like I 348 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: had run into him somewhere in Miami, and I think 349 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: I was feeling myself a little bit because they let 350 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: me in the club before him, like we both. 351 00:14:58,600 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: You're in Miami. 352 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: Well I was at the time like that was like 353 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: my Like everybody knew me. The doorman was always like 354 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: her in, you know, and so they let me in. 355 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: They let us both in, but they let me. 356 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: In first, and I was like, okay, check us out. 357 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, but and I was trying to be respectful. I 358 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: was like, you know, hey, is there somebody I can 359 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: contact corporate? Like I've been trying to get this invoice 360 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: paid And got back and he was like he was 361 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: like maybe smoking weed or something. He kind of he 362 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: just kind of blew me off, like, you know, just 363 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: didn't really answer me, went inside, and so I kind 364 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: of I was like feeling some kind of way. And 365 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: so we did this year end issue that was like 366 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: the year end awards. I mean, I mean we might 367 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: have even took that idea from the source. I don't know, 368 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: but it was supposed to be like humorous awards we 369 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: were given to people. So the time, the talk around 370 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: the industry is about how Benzeno is extorting Dave. You know, 371 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: Iyane's book and and you know heard I think I 372 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: don't know if Kim's book was out yet, but you 373 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: know this, this has been out for a while, Like 374 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: people who work there have been talking about this. So 375 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: I've said something about Ben's you know, extorting Dave, and 376 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: then trying to be like a proper journalist, I said, 377 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, disclaimer here. They owe me money. That's why 378 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm talking shit and send it to print. And when 379 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: you do a magazine, I mean, you write something and 380 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: by the time it actually reaches the public, it's six 381 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: weeks later at least. So six weeks later, I'm just 382 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: sitting at home at like midnight, and this number I 383 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: don't know calls me and is like fuck you hangs up, 384 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, somebody calls back. So's Dave called 385 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: me the first time. Second call is Benzino and you know, 386 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: it took me like a minute honestly to even remember. 387 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm like what did I like, what is this about? 388 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh, yeah, I forgot about that 389 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: thing I wrote, And so Benzino cussed me out for 390 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: like it was like a ninety minute call. 391 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: Like he just he seems like, yeah, he seems like 392 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: the kind of guy. He has a short time pow 393 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: to scream a lot for sure. Yeah, because I've seen 394 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: seen the way just unravels online rather quickly with people. 395 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: So I'm like scrambling running around the house like I'm like, 396 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: I know, I have a recorder here somewhere, like I 397 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: got to record this, you know. 398 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: He's just yeah, going off. Well. 399 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: It was kind of funny because it was like very 400 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: like if you're going to insult somebody and hurt them, 401 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: there has to be like a little kernel of truth 402 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: in it. But it was like very He was like, 403 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: you're just a fat bitch, and I mean I weighed 404 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: like one hundred and ten pounds or something else, like 405 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: we are you talking to? 406 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 2: He's like, you you fat blind bitch. 407 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: It was just a lot of really generic like stuff 408 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: you might throw at a female just you know, I'm 409 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: gonna send this, you know, like an insult. 410 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: Board for women. Yeah, like stuarts at it. It was 411 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: like you're a whore. 412 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: But I remember I was on an AOL instant messenger, like. 413 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: You know, everybody would get everybody was on it, ever, And. 414 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: So I was on the computer after this call and 415 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: DJ Quest popped up from from Fort Myers and we 416 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: were just talking. I was like, you won't believe what just. 417 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 2: Happened to me. He's still there too, right, yeah, shout. 418 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Quest. He was always our our 419 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: Fort Myers connect. But I was like, you won't believe 420 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: this call I just got. And he's he's like, oh, 421 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: I wish you had recorded that. I put it on 422 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: my mixtape. I'm like, yeah, I know. And so I 423 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: go to the office like a few days later or 424 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: whatever and check the voicemail and he had actually called 425 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: there first and left this voicemail. He called me a 426 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: slut monkey, which I don't even know what that means. 427 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: I'm taking that, but uh monkey. Yeah. 428 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: So I sent it to I sent it to a Quest. 429 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, here, you go, put it on your mix. 430 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: He sends it to Tony Neil, who had the cord 431 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: Tony sends it to everybody, and next I know, like 432 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: funk Master Flex is calling me. We got to get 433 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: you on the air to talk about this because I 434 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: think they. 435 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 2: Had Yeah, yeah, I think everyone had a situation with 436 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 2: Benzino in a certain point in time. 437 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it it. It definitely made the rounds because 438 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: I remember not too long after that, I went overseas 439 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: with with Trey Songs and we were in like I 440 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: want to say, Denmark or Sweden or something, and I 441 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: would always bring magazines give it to the DJ. So 442 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: I go up to the DJ moth and give the 443 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: guy a magazine and he didn't even speak English, and 444 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: he was like, what the monkey like you he knew? 445 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 2: I was so wow. 446 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't And we did kind of like squash things 447 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: at a certain point after that. So yeah, I mean it, 448 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: but it's a great story though. 449 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: I was gonna so okay, So the first issues, what 450 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 2: was the guy's name, Red Red Dog? 451 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: We had smiles and South Stars. 452 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: Shout the smiles and South Stars. 453 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: I tried to photoshop them large above the city of Orlando. 454 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, they had they had some jokes. Those guys are 455 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 2: Orlando legends for sure. What was the first issue of 456 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: the magazine that you realized, well, how about this? Was 457 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: there like a pivotal issue for you guys that really 458 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: like changed the trajectory of like, oh we could do 459 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: this for real and get some real money off of 460 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 2: this or I'm sure there was a momentum let up 461 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: to it, But do you remember what that that issue was. 462 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: For a couple, I mean we did, and definitely some 463 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: of the stuff we did was modeled after like the 464 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: source or just taking ideas from other I mean, there's 465 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: nothing under the sun, you know, they were they were 466 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: imitating Rolling Stone basically, but they would do the Power 467 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: thirty issue. I don't know if this is where I 468 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: got the idea, honestly, don't remember. But we did a 469 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: we did a Florida Power issue which Kalid was on 470 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: the cover with dog Man, who's a promoter from Orlando. 471 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: That hit. Dog Man's a character and he was another 472 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: one that had he had kind of like given me 473 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: a lot of street game because I'm like this young 474 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: white girl. I don't write anything, you know, Like him 475 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: and my original partner, they're like, you know, they're like 476 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: street hustler dudes, Like they're not like not like illegal stuff. 477 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: But they're just they're gonna get money anyway possible. And 478 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: so I learned a lot like just hanging out with them. 479 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: But Kalid was on the cover with with dog Man, 480 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: the first Florida Power issue, and so it put me 481 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: in a position where I was traveling all around the 482 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: state to interview like the thirty most powerful people. So 483 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: I met all these program directors and DJs. 484 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: Orlando Davis make the list. 485 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: Yes, oh, Tampa Peedie right, Yeah, yeah, I'm almost certain 486 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: he was on list. 487 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. What about Chris John d J Christ John. 488 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was around that baby, he 489 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: might have come. He might have come on the scene 490 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: like shortly after. I mean definitely nasty and pro style 491 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: were like you know, made early days. I remember Kalid 492 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: had come to do the photo shoot and we didn't 493 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: have like I think we're gonna have him like lifting 494 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: a weight or something like Florida Power, and we didn't 495 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: have one, So he was just like posing with like 496 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: a broomstick or something like that. 497 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 2: Did you guys photoshop the weight in there? 498 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: We did, Yes, I was good with the photoshop back 499 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: in the day. I was just telling somebody this story 500 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: that was actually pre pre Ozone. I was doing like 501 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: graphic design stuff, and this guy brought me a pass. 502 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: He had a pass for a jay Z party, like 503 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: it was like a Tracing Brady jay Z party, And 504 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: he said, can you duplicate this because it was like 505 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: an old school like red paper. Absolutely, so I made 506 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: like ten for him and made one for myself. 507 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 2: I feel like, if you were good at like if 508 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 2: you were good at photoshop back in the day, that 509 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: was a fucking career like you nowadays, I feel like everyone. 510 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: People I still get paid to this day. People ask 511 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: me to photoshop stuff for them. 512 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: It's just crazy though, because I just feel like it 513 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 2: was it was almost like making beats. It was so 514 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: hard back in the day. So it's like now like 515 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: I could AI could do do a graphic if I 516 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 2: really wanted to, Like, it's a lot easier now. 517 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: No, so. 518 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: Did you because but you got so pivotal issues. 519 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: I mean Florida Florida Power was one. We did an 520 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: issue early on where it was like the sex issue. 521 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: I might have took that idea from the source. 522 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 2: Who's who's on the cover of that. 523 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: I want to say it was JACKIEO. 524 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: Chat to JACKIEO. 525 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: I think it was Jackie Slide, but we did. We 526 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: did a groopy confessions column that I don't remember how. 527 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: Oh no, I do remember how it got started. I'm 528 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: not gonna put her on blast though, but I happened 529 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: to know a lot of like a lot of friends 530 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: of friends would have like little rapper stories and like, hey, 531 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: tell me the story anonymously. We put it in the magazine, 532 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: and we did want about jay Z, And there was 533 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: always a disclaimer like, hey, I wasn't I. 534 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 2: Don't know if this is true. 535 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: I can't guarantee that this actually happened, but it was 536 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: generally people that I kind of like knew through a friend, 537 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: right to be like somewhat credible. But I think it 538 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: was the New York Post had picked it up, and 539 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, you talk about jay Z's sex life. That's 540 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: like New York headline news. I thought it was great. 541 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we got all this press. 542 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like it could have been a 543 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: better topic. But we always would hear like back in 544 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: the day, like the source would take money from labels 545 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: for like ratings, certain stuff. Did you guys ever get 546 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: paid to do covers or back covers? 547 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: Was always for sale? 548 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: So the cover was always I. 549 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: Never thought that was controversial until like way after the 550 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: fact people would say that that was controversial somehow the 551 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: way that I viewed it, and this was Mertz started 552 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: that I would have never thought to do that. But honestly, 553 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: the magazine would have never survived if we had the cover. 554 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: That's what people were willing to were some of the 555 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: people paid. But at the same time, everyone pay for a. 556 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: Cover, everybody. So if the cover was if somebody was 557 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 2: on the cover, they kind of check. 558 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: I want to say, there was no one who ever 559 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: was on the cover without paying for it. There may 560 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: have been one that I'm forgiving, but it was the 561 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: same as I mean, it's it's a first of all, 562 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: we were not a newsstand publication, not primarily it was 563 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: it was a promotional. We gave these ways about tens 564 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: of yeah for sure. Yeah, so it was kind of 565 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: like a label doing I mean. 566 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: Remember like hundreds and hundreds of pictures of people just 567 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: holding up O zone. 568 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean it's like a label doing it. Labels putting 569 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: together a marketing campaign. They might they might do a 570 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: gangster rills with drama, they might do a re least party. 571 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. 572 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: Well in our defense too. It wasn't like just anybody could. 573 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: There's still had to be like yeah, and then when 574 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: we did the features, it wasn't It was a little 575 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: different from the way that the future might be presented 576 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: in other publications. It was kind of we would generally 577 00:24:59,040 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: just do. 578 00:24:59,240 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 2: A Q and A. 579 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: So I'm not putting it out there and saying you're 580 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: like great, I'm not giving you my opinion. This is 581 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: the greatest rapper ever's this is what Jesus said. Yeah, 582 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: it was like a Q and A. 583 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 2: Man. If you guys, if YouTube is a thing back then, 584 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: would have been crazy some of the I'll bet sure 585 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 2: you have some. You probably have so much stuff in 586 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 2: the archives, right, just I wish I. 587 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: Had videotape more you. I don't have a lot of 588 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: video I have a ton of ton of audio license. Yeah, 589 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: I do have some audio. I have a ton of photos. 590 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you've probably seen my stuff on like Unsung 591 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: Behind the Music or Hip Hop Evolution, like a lot 592 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: of those documentary series I licensed stuff for. I have 593 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: a lot of early I'm gonna put out another book 594 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: with my photography. 595 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: It's like, is it just a photo book. 596 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: It's a photo book with kind of like stories. 597 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: Like little stories cliff notes about where what happened. Absolutely, 598 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 2: it's crazy because you mentioned pit Bull earlier, and I 599 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: remember when Pitbull first came out, he was like rapping, 600 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: like like he had a song. 601 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: I still have old pit Bull records. 602 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 2: Well, he had he had a he had a song 603 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 2: with nas that never think got dropped. But it was 604 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: like on Napster called Imagine. It was like sampling like 605 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 2: John Lennon. It was so far. But it's so crazy 606 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: to see, like I'm guessing they couldn't clear that. I'm 607 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: assuming not right, But like, did you like being around 608 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 2: pit Bull so early? Did you have any inclination that 609 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: like he would end up being such a worldwide superstar, 610 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 2: Like when you google pit well, the dog doesn't even 611 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: come up when you google pit Bull. That's funny, he 612 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 2: comes up first. It's it's just that's like. 613 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: At least he spelled it correctly. That's how famous felt, 614 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: like Ludacris and fabulous. I can't spell the. 615 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 2: World the rapper. How do you spell Ludacris? Don't? 616 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Pitbull was he was always just a hustler, 617 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: like in certain people. You know when you see that 618 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: work ethic. You're like, they're I mean, they're gonna make it. 619 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: And I was a fan of the music. Like I 620 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: remember hearing him. I was driving over the causeway like 621 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning, leaving the beach, and he 622 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: was on the radio freestyle or maybe it was recorded, 623 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, but like welcome to Miami, you know, 624 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,239 Speaker 1: just a little freestyle, and I was like, this is 625 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: where can I find this? Like how could I find 626 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: this rapper? And as soon as I met him, I 627 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, he's you know, he's gonna make it 628 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: because he's I've told this story before. I was supposed 629 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: to interview another artist who was I want to say 630 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: he was signed to Jive, another artist. 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No, it's crazy because 718 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: like I think, like back then there was ozone, and 719 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: then I feel like the West Coast, we kind of 720 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 2: had like Murder Dog, Murder Dog. Yeah, murder Dog. 721 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: Was like they were even like a little more grimier. 722 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 2: Than they were grimy as fuck. Murder Dog was crazy 723 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 2: and it was almost like murder Dog. 724 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,239 Speaker 1: But I feel like I was trying to make an 725 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: effort to be like a little more I don't want 726 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: to say mainstream, but but yeah, when your magazine called 727 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: the Murder a little more polished, Yes, I was real 728 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: serious about the editing, like typos and the presentation of it. 729 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: I wanted, even if the subject matter was like street 730 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: and like authentic, I wanted to like look a certain way. 731 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: What what was the first Ozone Awards like? And what year? 732 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 2: And what year was Okay, so this is four years 733 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: after the magazine launches in Orlando. 734 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just remember that. Honestly, There's so much I 735 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: don't remember from those weekends because I did literally did 736 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 1: not sleep, like the Ozone Awards, definitely in in Orlando, 737 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: Definitely in Houston. I'm talking like four days without sleep. 738 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: You start to hallucinate things like when I woke up 739 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: the morning after, I remember looking up looking around the 740 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: room and seeing like wrist bands and stuff, and I 741 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: really thought it had been a dream. I was like 742 00:32:54,120 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: that we didn't actually like that actually happened. Yet that 743 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: was a crazy day. I mean, I gotta say that 744 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: David Banner really saved that show because he was the 745 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: host and I was in like just it was just 746 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: so much that happened that weekend, because it wasn't just 747 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: the awards. We did a four day or maybe it 748 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: was three days at that time. We teamed up with 749 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: TJ's DJs. 750 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 2: Which was s TJ. Chapman. 751 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: Shout out to TJ. And I couldn't have pulled that 752 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: out without him. I mean, he had a lot more 753 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: in terms of structure, and he had staff and voluntary 754 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: I've always been for better or worse, like I do 755 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: everything myself. I'm not really great at delegating stuff. She 756 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: did from right, he's from Tallahowsee. Yeah, And that first weekend, 757 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: like we had basically we had paid for this whole hotel, 758 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: and they told us back then like, oh, we're going 759 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: to be doing some renovations or whatever, but it'll be 760 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: done by the timer event comes around. They literally brought 761 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: a bulldozer in the lobby of the hotel three days 762 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: before the Ozone awards, and it was the whole lobby 763 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: was gone, like they had took out the escalator. It 764 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: was dirt. And so I got a call from one 765 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: of our staff like three days before the awards, I 766 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: think you should come see the hotel where we're having 767 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: our event in three days. It was just so much 768 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: that it was just so much that went wrong that weekend, 769 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: to the point where by the time the awards come around, 770 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: I'm like, how are we gonna pull this off? You know? 771 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: And I'm like, just it was just so much going on. 772 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: Back then, I had a BlackBerry, and like you know, 773 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: the the messages were coming in so fast. I was 774 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: getting like the next day, I got a message from 775 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: Ludicrous manager like we're at the airport. Where is the car? 776 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: Like I'm getting messages from the day before, Like that's 777 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: how crazy it was. And I performed the first year 778 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: literally everybody just every remember being backstage and all the 779 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: pictures from that Night's funny because I'm in like a 780 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: white T shirt because I never even had time to 781 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: like change in anything, and I hadn't slept, so I'm 782 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: just like all over the place. But I was kind 783 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: of freaking out backstage. Like then the guy who was 784 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: supposed to prepare our video packages, like the nominees are. 785 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: It's assuring me like, oh yeah, it's great, it's coming along. 786 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: He just disappeared, so he had no video presentation. So 787 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm freaking out, Like the day of the event, and 788 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: Banner was the host, and he kind of like grabbed 789 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: me and corralled me like in a corner somewhere, and 790 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: he was just like, you gotta get it together because 791 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,479 Speaker 1: if if you look like everything's fine, people are gonna 792 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: think everything's fine. If you look like everything's fucked up, 793 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: people are gonna be like what am I doing here? 794 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: So I, you know, held it together. He hosted it 795 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: with and Trina as well. David Banner and Trina hosted 796 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: the first show. So I had asked Kalid to do 797 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: the opening sets, so Calid brought. I mean everybody you 798 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: know with frosted hustling actually applies opened the show and 799 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: nobody in the industry knew who Plies was. But he 800 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: was like the hottest thing in the streets in Florida, 801 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: Like it just dropped. 802 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 2: From four Myers, right, he. 803 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: Is from fours Yeah, And I remember like Pimpsey asking 804 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: me about him after the show, like yo, you know, 805 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: I get his mixhaping his number, so we helped him 806 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,399 Speaker 1: out a lot with that. That was like a big 807 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: look for him. Wow Supplies performed, Rick Ross Cool and 808 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: Dre came out, Trick Daddy, Pitbull, t Payne uh and 809 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: then we had like Young Jock, Pimsey and Bunbee for 810 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: the first time since Pimpa got out. Geez came out 811 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: on stage with him. But honestly, Wayne was supposed to 812 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,879 Speaker 1: be the headliner. Like Wayne performed last, but people thought 813 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: it was over after Bunn. They were like, we can't talk. 814 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: Ludacris performed. I think he was filming. I think it's 815 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: on his MTV diary. 816 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 2: We had. 817 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean I got texts afterwards. I think, uh, well, 818 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 1: Bunn was there, but I think I think Little John 819 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: didn't make the show, but he was texting me afterwards, 820 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: and like Bunn was texting me like I can't believe 821 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: you or no. Bun Bun got up and accepted their 822 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: award and he was like, honestly, I didn't know if 823 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: I was gonna come to this thing, basically, like I 824 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be just I'm glad. I mean 825 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: it was. It was hood like it wasn't it wasn't 826 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: polished at all. But he was like, you know, this 827 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: is this is for the South, Like I'm glad we came. 828 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: And you know, people were texting me like you know 829 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: you like to get a text from Little John like wow, 830 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: I heard that what you pulled off was amazing, Like 831 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: I can't can't really top that. So that was a 832 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: crazy time. 833 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 2: And how many awards shows did you guys? 834 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: Do? Three? 835 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 2: Three of them? And then so kind of take me 836 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 2: to what ends up? 837 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: I learned that I hated organizing events. 838 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, live events are tough, especially with so many varia. 839 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 2: It's different to do like a concert and there's one 840 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 2: guy performing, but the variables that are involved in pulling 841 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 2: together travel idea. 842 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: That when you know they do the BET Awards and 843 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: they do the Source of Awards, they have production companies 844 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: that do this for. 845 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 2: You were the production company. 846 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: I was the production company, and I would never put 847 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: myself through that. 848 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 2: Oh I can imagine it because you're talking all the 849 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 2: managers Miami. 850 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: I had Wayne on this phone, management arguing with the 851 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: security didn't want to let him in with his bags 852 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: or whatever. I had Gezy here with one hundred I 853 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: need one hundred tickets because he's beefing with PIMPC. It 854 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: was just. 855 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 2: About the GZ Pimps thing. I remember that. 856 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 1: Wow, Pimpse did not come to the Ozone Awards because 857 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: of that. Somebody wise talked him out of coming because 858 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: he was texting me like you're gonna have blood on 859 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: the floor, and it was. I did write about it 860 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: in the book, but I'm glad that that. Uh, I'm 861 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: glad that that was resolved with no no bloodshed. But yes, 862 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: I had a seven d page book on PIMPC. Does 863 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: touch on these fun times with the Ozone Awards. 864 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you what was because we always 865 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 2: we know about the legendary Source Award drama and I 866 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 2: mean BT Award drama. And was there ever anything that 867 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 2: popped off? 868 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what was not to the not to the 869 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: Source Awards level. But well, that first year when we 870 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 1: had all the Miami artists, all the Florida artists perform, 871 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: Trick was the final performance, and I think there was 872 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: something I don't know, something with him and Ross or whatever, 873 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: but he's so he ended his set like there's you know, 874 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm the Uh, there's only one mayor in Miami and 875 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: all are my protege is or whatever. He threw the 876 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: mic down, and so that was they had like a 877 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: little something backstage or whatever. 878 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 2: Ross has had some some something's backstage with a few people. 879 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 2: So that was that the worst that it ever got 880 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 2: where there was like an altercation because look, when you 881 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 2: have everyone under the same roof and it's like you said, 882 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 2: you're the production company, so this is not like MTV, 883 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 2: and there's like like you're handling everything. So like, well, 884 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 2: Houston was the craziest. 885 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: We had the fire marshal trying to shut us down 886 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: and the riot police like they had them wind up outside. 887 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 2: Who was attending at the same time. Where you were 888 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 2: most worried about with Houston. 889 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 1: Well, I wasn't. I wouldn't say that I was worried. 890 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: It was just a lot going on. But Trey and 891 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: Trey punched Mike Jones. I didn't actually see it and. 892 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 2: Trade the truth punch Mike Jones at this Ozona a warts. 893 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: And then Mike's came up. I mean, to his credit, 894 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: Mike still came up and did whatever presentation he was 895 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,959 Speaker 1: supposed to do with the little band aid or whatever 896 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: in his face. So I don't really know what that 897 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: was about. I'm not sure what they were. 898 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,320 Speaker 2: That's a professional. 899 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the issue was, but I remember 900 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: respect him for that. 901 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 2: You know, Hey, that was that so, I mean Houston 902 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 2: had their their their moment, they had their Swisher House. 903 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: It was the right time to do in Houston. Well, 904 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: we did the Pimpsy tribute too, so we had all 905 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: these artists come out and do Pimpsy covers at that show. 906 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 2: You know, I got to ask you because obviously you 907 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 2: were so close with PIMPC. You obviously wrote his book 908 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 2: if like you said, seven hundred pages. If you ever 909 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 2: want to know anything about PIMC. 910 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: It's in there. 911 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 2: Well, like like how many phones did he have? Because 912 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,720 Speaker 2: I had always heard this dude was like very into 913 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 2: cell phones, like he had like a lot of phones 914 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 2: or it was like something like he just like, you know, 915 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 2: I don't I. 916 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: Don't remember him having more than one. I remember that 917 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: he I mean, yeah, he really liked he had like 918 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,799 Speaker 1: the flip phone. Right, Like I did a photo shoot 919 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: with him when he had first got out of prison. 920 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 1: I think he really wanted to. I think his mom 921 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: talked about this. I remember his mom talking about how 922 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,799 Speaker 1: he really wanted a razor, like that was the thing. 923 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 1: When he was locked up, he wanted a motorola razor. 924 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. 925 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: So when he got out, they had the motorola for him, 926 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: and so he wanted to do a photo shoot with it. Actually, well, 927 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,919 Speaker 1: what happened was I had been corresponding with him. I 928 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: interviewed him while he was in prison, and so I 929 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 1: hear that he's getting out, and I'm like, should I go? 930 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And I didn't really have 931 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: a I think it's like a week out. So I'm like, 932 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: I don't really have any way to reach him, and 933 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: be like, do you want me to be there? Because 934 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: you know some artists coming out of prison, I'm like, 935 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: do they want the media there? They want their family. 936 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 1: And so I think I had called Bun and Bun 937 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: was like very like noncommittal, like didn't really give me 938 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: an answer one way or the other. So I'm like, 939 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm always one. I'm just going to go 940 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: for it, you know, And I said, well, I'll go 941 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: and I'll just hang back. If he doesn't want to 942 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: take pictures, I just wasted a trip. It is what 943 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: it is. But he did let me take pictures and 944 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 1: but then he kind of called me a few days 945 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: later and was kind of like, that's not how I 946 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: want to be presented. You know, he'd just come out 947 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: of prison. He wants he wants the car and the 948 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,240 Speaker 1: jewelry and the photo. So he's like, come back to Houston, 949 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: we'll do a photo shoot. So he had got the 950 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: Bentley at that point, he got all the jewelry, he's 951 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 1: got the razor, and so he's posing with the phone 952 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: like every shot he's got the you know, the phone 953 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: out hanging out the car with the phone in his hand, 954 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: like so that's a great and this is this is 955 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: a good story too. This was or I don't know, 956 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of a bad story. I did this whole 957 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: photo shoot with him at a video shoot in Miami. 958 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: It was R Kelly, R Kelly T Pain R Kelly 959 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: video shoot, and we did this whole shoot with him 960 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: with the mink and it was supposed to go to 961 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,760 Speaker 1: Vibe magazine. And I had sent Vibe like one picture 962 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 1: like a little small low here's what we got today. 963 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: Drive to Atlanta, go to the TI release party, leave 964 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 1: all my luggage in the car like a rookie, come 965 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:58,919 Speaker 1: back out of the club and. 966 00:42:58,920 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 2: It's everything's gone. 967 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: Photo shoots just disappeared. So all I have is the 968 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 1: one little picture that I emailed the Vibe. So that's 969 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: how I had an artist crazy photo shot that would 970 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,280 Speaker 1: have been amazing. 971 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 2: How sweaty was he in Miami wearing that? Because I 972 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 2: had heard that's a great question. I heard a quote 973 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 2: that he said that, uh that that uh TV don't 974 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 2: got temperature. 975 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, or maybe it came somewhere else first, but I'm 976 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 1: sure he had. He had to have been pretty hot. 977 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 1: I don't know. 978 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy because you've obviously, I mean, you know, 979 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 2: for you, like, you know, being able to kind of 980 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 2: tell like the Pimp Sea story in a way that 981 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 2: is very comprehensive, very thorough. Do you kind of look 982 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 2: at yourself as like somebody who is like a historian 983 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 2: of hip hop at this point because you were there 984 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 2: for so much of an era that I think, like 985 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 2: now we look back, I don't you know. I always 986 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,879 Speaker 2: tell people like, especially in sports, I'm like, you don't 987 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 2: realize like what we're watching or what we're a part of, 988 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 2: or what we're seeing on TV, Like you don't know 989 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 2: about like you're not gonna appreciate Lebron until ten years 990 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 2: from now when he's gone, you know, And I feel 991 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 2: like that era of Southern hip hop and everybody who 992 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 2: came out of that who's still relevant? Who are still 993 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 2: I mean you've mentioned Rick Ross and Chezy and all 994 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,319 Speaker 2: these people were just still staples of our culture. Like, 995 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,360 Speaker 2: but you were like in the just front row of 996 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,240 Speaker 2: the rented, like really the beginning of all of this stuff. 997 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 2: So do you kind of like I'm glad I was there? 998 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do consider myself a historian. I mean not honestly, 999 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,439 Speaker 1: not just for hip hop, but just I'm into history period, right. 1000 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: I really look at not only our time period, but 1001 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: just you know, I have all kinds of weird theories 1002 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: about like even just how we live, like our lifestyles, 1003 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: Like people did not always live this way like we live. 1004 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I've been on some other like 1005 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm off adventuring like hiking. It just makes you think 1006 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: about different you know, people didn't always live like this. 1007 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,320 Speaker 1: We don't really need like these big houses and cars 1008 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: and stuff. Like there's people who have been satisfied. 1009 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 2: I dive down so many van life YouTube rabbit holes 1010 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 2: where I'm just like interested in seeing how people live 1011 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 2: in a van. 1012 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: So I live in a van. 1013 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 2: Did you know that? 1014 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,160 Speaker 1: Do you? Yes? 1015 00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 2: You van life? 1016 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: I mean half half. I'm like, I'm like fifty percent 1017 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 1: and sometimes I'm like, Okay, I gotta go to the 1018 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,879 Speaker 1: BT Wars weekend and do the interviews and stuff. But yeah, 1019 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 1: I just I've just spent a week in Yosemite in 1020 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 1: my van. Is it a van or it's not a Sprinner, 1021 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,080 Speaker 1: it's a pro Master. It's a cheaper sprinner. Sprinter's out 1022 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:29,399 Speaker 1: of my bro. 1023 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 2: So your van is because okay, I'm into this because 1024 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 2: I've watched so many YouTube So you have like solar panels. 1025 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: I thought you brought that up because you knew that 1026 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: I had no idea. So this is what happened. I mean, 1027 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 1: I've always been in traveling, but like twenty twenty, I 1028 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 1: had all these trips, but like I had planned. 1029 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 2: The whole year out right. 1030 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: So I went to Cape Town January twenty twenty. You 1031 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 1: go to Cape Town. I forget where I went in February, 1032 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 1: somewhere else. March. I go to Argentina, Chili. I was 1033 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: in Chili when COVID happened. I mean it kind of 1034 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,360 Speaker 1: when I flew out of the US. It was like 1035 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: you kind of. 1036 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 2: Heard heard about China. 1037 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,279 Speaker 1: So I'm in the middle of nowhere, like you could 1038 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,359 Speaker 1: only get serviced like once a day. So like every 1039 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: day I'm getting like a few texts and my friends 1040 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,320 Speaker 1: are like, uh, things are getting canceled. You probably should 1041 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 1: come home. 1042 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't know if you're going to get 1043 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:15,319 Speaker 2: back in. 1044 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 1: That's really what happened. So I was on one of 1045 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 1: the last flights back to Atlanta before they shut everything down. 1046 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: I got back to the airport and the airport is 1047 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,359 Speaker 1: completely empty, and I'm like, what is. 1048 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 2: Going Like this is different, the craziest. 1049 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: Drive on the freeway, like no one's cars. I'm like, 1050 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 1: so abruptly, I'm like, my whole year is just I 1051 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: got to cancel everything, Like what's what's gonna happen? So 1052 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: I'm just bored watching down this rabbit hole for like 1053 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: two weeks of YouTube videos, and I'm like, you know 1054 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: what I could do that bought a cargo van. I'm like, Okay, 1055 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: now I'm committed. Now I got to build this thing. 1056 00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,359 Speaker 1: So I build a camper van. 1057 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 2: During So in your van, do you have like the 1058 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 2: uh little sink and little like you could in there, and. 1059 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,359 Speaker 1: I learned so much. I mean I could. I feel 1060 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,760 Speaker 1: like I could really build a house. Now maybe I couldn't, 1061 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: but yeah, I have to. I have solar panels, I 1062 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,400 Speaker 1: have a whole desk, I have satellite internet. 1063 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 2: Do you have the shower? Do you have this? 1064 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1065 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 2: Starlink? Yeah, the starlink work. 1066 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 1: I'm not really elon fan. Yes, the starlink works. It 1067 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,799 Speaker 1: does not work if there's trees. You have to have 1068 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 1: a clear, clear, clear view of the horizon. 1069 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 2: Wow. 1070 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 1: And last year it didn't work past a certain I 1071 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,319 Speaker 1: went to the Arctic Ocean last year and it didn't 1072 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 1: work past a certain. 1073 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:32,840 Speaker 2: How do you get to the Arctic Ocean? 1074 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 1: I drove to the Arctic Ocean. 1075 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:35,399 Speaker 2: Where is that? 1076 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: It's at the very top of the continent, so you 1077 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: had to get I sent my brother like Canada thing like, 1078 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 1: look at where I am. 1079 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,280 Speaker 2: So it's like the top of Canada. Yes, what it's. 1080 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,359 Speaker 1: Called tuck twy tuck. There's only one place you can 1081 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 1: drive to the Architic Ocean, and it's this little Indian well, 1082 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 1: I don't want to say Indian. They call the first 1083 00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 1: nation in Canada Native American Canadians and it's called a hamlet, 1084 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: so they don't call it a city. But it was 1085 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 1: very interesting place. I met some like like some little 1086 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: girls came out. We're talking to me. 1087 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 2: You have a pet? No, okay, because you know you'll 1088 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 2: see these guys online they always got a little dog 1089 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:13,319 Speaker 2: with them. 1090 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 1: Now I've considered it. You know, dogs are not really 1091 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: welcome at all the parks because they tend to tear 1092 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 1: up the ecosystem, is what. They're very destructive to the ecosystem, 1093 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 1: is what I've been told. So I don't really want. 1094 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,840 Speaker 2: So you're you're you're a nomad. 1095 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely yes. So it took me a year and a 1096 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,839 Speaker 1: half to build the vand so I mean and by 1097 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,040 Speaker 1: this time, like the world the sort of started to 1098 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,759 Speaker 1: return to people. And now I'm like, now I have 1099 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,879 Speaker 1: liked job. I have to finish. It was a lot 1100 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,160 Speaker 1: of work. I can imagine you watch the YouTube videos 1101 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,399 Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, cool with that. 1102 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 2: Those YouTube videos make it seem so easy. Absolutely do Yeah, 1103 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 2: you'd be like, damn, this guy did this in four 1104 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 2: hours or something like. 1105 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,880 Speaker 1: It's a lot of work. But I think probably, I mean, 1106 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,759 Speaker 1: the first one is the hardest because you're like, there's 1107 00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,280 Speaker 1: a little curve with everything. 1108 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 2: But so you love it. Yeah, so you love it. 1109 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 2: So you're pretty much for you on a normal basis 1110 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,799 Speaker 2: when like you're in town for BT Awards, right, that 1111 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 2: just happened right for you. 1112 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,840 Speaker 1: Though, like now I do not do the van in cities. 1113 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,239 Speaker 1: I will say that I'm not I'm not in the 1114 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,320 Speaker 1: van in l A. I mean, if you're in a 1115 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 1: van in l A, you are just homeless. If you're 1116 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: in a van, and if you're in a van in scis, 1117 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 1: San Francisco, you're homeless, homeless. If you're in now now, 1118 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,719 Speaker 1: if you're in but you're if you're in like the 1119 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: desert in Utah, or if you're at the art Gosan, 1120 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 1: then you're fucking cool because you I spent the night 1121 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,959 Speaker 1: at the edge of the Arctic Osan watching the northern lights, 1122 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,600 Speaker 1: cook myself dinner and took a shower in the van 1123 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,720 Speaker 1: that I built. That's peak, Like. 1124 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 2: That's amazing. I wasn'tnna ask you. 1125 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 1: Like doto, So where's wait, where's the. 1126 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,720 Speaker 2: Where does the van stay? 1127 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,240 Speaker 1: Her name is Carmen van Diego. 1128 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,800 Speaker 2: By the way, she's she where does she stay? 1129 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: She's a nomad, so she like because you're. 1130 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 2: Obviously at home base for you used to the south? Is 1131 00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:56,760 Speaker 2: it Atlanta? 1132 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:57,880 Speaker 1: Atlanta? Yeah? 1133 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,680 Speaker 2: So does the van just you got a spot like little. 1134 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: No, that's a terrible drive to I keep it out 1135 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: anywhere out west. 1136 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 2: I found an airport with So do you have do 1137 00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,520 Speaker 2: you have an apartment? 1138 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:12,360 Speaker 1: But I have a house? 1139 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,279 Speaker 2: Okay, so you have a house. 1140 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not totally down the rabbit hole. 1141 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's pretty sick. So you've seen some pretty uh. 1142 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,319 Speaker 1: But you know what, I don't know how much longer 1143 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 1: I keep it though, because it's it's ten thing to 1144 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,319 Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, let me. 1145 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,920 Speaker 2: Just well because you could probably sell that thing for 1146 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,480 Speaker 2: a serious amount of change because people people would rather 1147 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,400 Speaker 2: not do what you well, you know, people really aren't. 1148 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,399 Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about the house. If I was gonna 1149 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,479 Speaker 1: sell anything else, who the house. 1150 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not a bad idea. It's not a 1151 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 2: bad idea. Yeah, I'm intrigued by the van. 1152 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: No it is. I mean, it is nice to have 1153 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 1: a a place to go back to that's permanent for sure. 1154 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,520 Speaker 2: For sure, keep some things, But I think I could 1155 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 2: do the van life full time. 1156 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 1: I really was like dedicated to it. 1157 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,960 Speaker 2: But you have to have seen some crazy ship though, 1158 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 2: just traveling the country. 1159 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,439 Speaker 1: Let me think what I mean, going to the Arctic 1160 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 1: Ocean was definitely. 1161 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,360 Speaker 2: Has anyone tried to break in? 1162 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: Come on, now, don't don't bring that up. 1163 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,799 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. You're at a truck stop. 1164 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,000 Speaker 1: It's like I said, I will not go to I 1165 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,120 Speaker 1: won't go to San Francisco, I won't go to l A. 1166 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,400 Speaker 1: I'll leave it somewhere else and fly to the city. 1167 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't do the big city. 1168 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:19,479 Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. 1169 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: So I mean, so far I've I've I'm not gonna 1170 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,319 Speaker 1: say I haven't had any crazy experiences. But yeah, it's 1171 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 1: that's the that's so. That's the two questions men asked 1172 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 1: about the van. Where's your weapon? Have you had sex 1173 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 1: in the van? 1174 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:33,359 Speaker 2: Those? 1175 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,120 Speaker 1: Those are the two questions. 1176 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 2: Do you have a weapon in there? 1177 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:37,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to answer you. 1178 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:37,960 Speaker 2: Bet. 1179 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,480 Speaker 1: I did get it cool. I saw a cool front 1180 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,640 Speaker 1: plate that this guy had that said if the van 1181 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,040 Speaker 1: is rocking, don't come knocking. So I got one just 1182 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,240 Speaker 1: because I thought. 1183 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 2: It's a long drive. 1184 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 1: It depends on where you're starting from, obviously, but the road, 1185 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:04,840 Speaker 1: it's it's an eighteen hour dirt washboard road. It's terrible, 1186 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,759 Speaker 1: terrible girl, that's once you. Yeah, you're all the way 1187 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,360 Speaker 1: in northern Yukon. So the crazy thing is I almost 1188 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,439 Speaker 1: got stuck there, Like, well I did get stuck there, 1189 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,439 Speaker 1: but there's one road, only one way up and down, 1190 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,640 Speaker 1: and so I was driving up and it's it's beautiful, 1191 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,280 Speaker 1: like it's the scenery is amazing, but it's and it's quiet, 1192 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:28,799 Speaker 1: but it's not quiet to the point where you could 1193 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,640 Speaker 1: just stop your car and get out of the car. 1194 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,799 Speaker 1: And it's also you can't leave the road because it's permafrost. 1195 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,799 Speaker 1: So the road is like specially designed so if you 1196 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,000 Speaker 1: if you pull this heavy van off the road, you're 1197 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,759 Speaker 1: gonna just sink into the ground because it's it's permafrost, 1198 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 1: So you can't leave the road. You can't really get 1199 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,680 Speaker 1: out of the car. So I'm like this whole eighteen hours, 1200 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm like I wish I could. I haven't got my camera. 1201 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,799 Speaker 1: I drone. I'm like, this is fucking beautiful, Like I. 1202 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,200 Speaker 2: Can't even get out. 1203 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I get up there. It was it was 1204 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,360 Speaker 1: amazing when I I sixty degrees a swim in the 1205 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 1: Arctic Ocean, like I said, like, how was that? It 1206 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 1: really wasn't as cold as you would think as I 1207 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,719 Speaker 1: thought it would be. I just swam in it just to. 1208 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 2: Be like I did. I came all this way, I 1209 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 2: might as well get in. 1210 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,640 Speaker 1: Spent the night, saw the northern lights. It's incredible of 1211 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,360 Speaker 1: there because you're so far north, they're. 1212 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,000 Speaker 2: Like above you, right. 1213 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,960 Speaker 1: So I just was like this all night, just watching 1214 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,040 Speaker 1: the lights or whatever. So next day I started driving 1215 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: back down and there's there's also like ferry crossings. It's 1216 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,080 Speaker 1: something about they can't support the bridges because of the 1217 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,560 Speaker 1: permafrost or whatever, so you have to say ferries at 1218 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,919 Speaker 1: certain points. So I'm on the ferry and the guy 1219 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,480 Speaker 1: in the ferry is like, hey, did you hear the 1220 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,840 Speaker 1: bridges closed? And I'm like no, He's like, yeah, the 1221 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,120 Speaker 1: bridge is closed. So there's a bridge halfway. So it's 1222 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,920 Speaker 1: like a mile or hour nine of this eighteen hour journey, 1223 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,839 Speaker 1: and I guess there was a construction happening. This guy 1224 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,759 Speaker 1: had his boom up on the construction truck and he 1225 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,239 Speaker 1: hit the bridge. So the Canadian government or whatever puts 1226 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 1: out this alert. That's like and you don't have service 1227 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,600 Speaker 1: up there because the starlink didn't didn't work up there 1228 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,439 Speaker 1: at that point. I think it does now, but there's 1229 00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,720 Speaker 1: there was like one spot where I could get a signal, 1230 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,960 Speaker 1: and so I, you know, get to this one spot 1231 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,640 Speaker 1: that's like a higher point or whatever and check online 1232 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,840 Speaker 1: and it says bridges closed for thirty days and I'm like, 1233 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,279 Speaker 1: uh yeah, I kind of can't really hang out in 1234 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,839 Speaker 1: the I'm above the Arctic circle like it's and it's 1235 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,279 Speaker 1: like September, so I'm like it turns, you know, really fast, 1236 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,399 Speaker 1: it gets cold, and so I'm like freaking out, like. 1237 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:31,399 Speaker 2: Definitely freaked out. 1238 00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:33,759 Speaker 1: There was like twenty maybe like twenty of us in 1239 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,120 Speaker 1: RVs and stuff that were above the art circle, so 1240 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,360 Speaker 1: it was interesting. It was like a throwback to like 1241 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,000 Speaker 1: the old days where you didn't have social media and 1242 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,560 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So you if you see anyone driving like, hey, 1243 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,719 Speaker 1: have you heard anything? Like, because it's it's there is 1244 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,000 Speaker 1: a small town, so it's not like you're just totally 1245 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,200 Speaker 1: but you know, they get their supplies from down there too, 1246 00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,880 Speaker 1: so they're like, how are we gonna get Yeah, how 1247 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:55,719 Speaker 1: are we going to get food? 1248 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 2: That's crazy. 1249 00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 1: So it ended up being so three days later they 1250 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,879 Speaker 1: had to have like engineers come up from the big 1251 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,279 Speaker 1: city and you know, white Horse or whatever, and they 1252 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,560 Speaker 1: analyzed like safe. So we ended up getting to cross 1253 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 1: three days later. They had all these engineers out there 1254 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 1: and they're like one at a time and they did 1255 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,720 Speaker 1: all these calculations on the bridge was you know, sturdy 1256 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,080 Speaker 1: or not. So for three days it was Labor Day weekend, actually, 1257 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,680 Speaker 1: so Labor Day weekend, and it finally dawned. I mean, 1258 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,279 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is my fucking dream. Like what I'm 1259 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,120 Speaker 1: mad about this? Like, I get this whole area to myself. 1260 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:27,879 Speaker 2: Right, No, it's yeah. 1261 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,200 Speaker 1: So I got the drone out. I'm like driving everywhere. 1262 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,160 Speaker 2: That's fine. 1263 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,279 Speaker 1: I know it makes me sound like a nerd because 1264 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,840 Speaker 1: most people will be like not into this, but I 1265 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,759 Speaker 1: thought it was fucking awesome. So I got to spend 1266 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,920 Speaker 1: my Labor Day weekend driving around the Arctic with my 1267 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,160 Speaker 1: cameras and my drone took all these cool pictures and 1268 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,640 Speaker 1: then they were like, go ahead, you can go home. 1269 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,160 Speaker 2: I like that. 1270 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,200 Speaker 1: That was probably my best van life adventure yet. 1271 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 2: You obviously have a very close relationship with Jay Prince, 1272 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,400 Speaker 2: who is you know, you know, listen, he's a pioneer. 1273 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,080 Speaker 2: We talk about Pioneers. He kind of kicked off so 1274 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,359 Speaker 2: much for so much of just everything we see now 1275 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,359 Speaker 2: we think about wrap a lot records, and he kind 1276 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,560 Speaker 2: of laid the blueprint on how to do this label 1277 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 2: thing for a lot of people. You helped him with 1278 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,399 Speaker 2: his book, Like, how did you and him end up 1279 00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,880 Speaker 2: becoming a point to where he could kind of confide 1280 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,160 Speaker 2: in you and trust to kind of help help with 1281 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:23,120 Speaker 2: his story. 1282 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I've known Jay for a long time. I 1283 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,440 Speaker 1: mean definitely like two thousand and five ish when I 1284 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,399 Speaker 1: started going out to Houston pretty heavy. This is when 1285 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,640 Speaker 1: you know PIMPC was coming out of prison and he 1286 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,200 Speaker 1: was doing a lot I think rap a lot was 1287 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,359 Speaker 1: through asylum at that point. 1288 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because that's. 1289 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,720 Speaker 1: Asylum would send us a lot of work because they had. 1290 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:45,719 Speaker 2: They had all the Southern Ship. 1291 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, they had a lot of Texas artists were really 1292 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,000 Speaker 1: having their moment, and that was one thing I kind 1293 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,560 Speaker 1: of went into the history of that in the book. 1294 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,960 Speaker 1: This ended up being just more more than just PIMPC 1295 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,280 Speaker 1: was kind of Southern rap in general. Actually, what happened 1296 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,319 Speaker 1: was that south West Wholesale, which they started distributing rap 1297 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,840 Speaker 1: because of UGK, was like the first album that they 1298 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,600 Speaker 1: actually distributed. It wasn't something they did before, and it 1299 00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,920 Speaker 1: showed them this could be a really profitable business model. 1300 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,959 Speaker 1: So for all that time between I want to say 1301 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,520 Speaker 1: early nineties and two thousand and five, all these Texas 1302 00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,680 Speaker 1: artists had access to Southwest Wholesale, which was selling like 1303 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,160 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of units without them being signed to 1304 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,360 Speaker 1: a major. So you know, the slim thugs, you know, 1305 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,640 Speaker 1: all these guys had access to a distribution outlet where 1306 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,040 Speaker 1: they can make a lot of money and not have 1307 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:38,040 Speaker 1: to go through a major. Certain things transpired, and honestly, 1308 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,040 Speaker 1: it's been eight years since I wrote this, so I 1309 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,080 Speaker 1: don't remember all the specifics, but it's in the book 1310 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,120 Speaker 1: as far as on the business end, how Southwest fell apart, 1311 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,080 Speaker 1: they went out of business or I think they just 1312 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,000 Speaker 1: went bankrupt. And so at that point, that's why all 1313 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,200 Speaker 1: the Houston artists started to get signed around two thousand 1314 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,840 Speaker 1: and five, because now they didn't have a distribute, so 1315 00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,800 Speaker 1: they had to go get deals, and that's why you 1316 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,400 Speaker 1: saw this explosion. 1317 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:06,320 Speaker 2: Of art Star Trek and then right right, everybody, I 1318 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:07,640 Speaker 2: feel like asylum really. 1319 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,880 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but yeah, so I got to spend a 1320 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,840 Speaker 1: lot of time with Jay around that time, just being 1321 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,680 Speaker 1: in Houston. I mean, if you're in Houston, like you 1322 00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,640 Speaker 1: kind of have to you know, he's he's a part 1323 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,160 Speaker 1: of everything out there. So but to his uh, to 1324 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,120 Speaker 1: his credit definitely, I mean he would always kind of 1325 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,400 Speaker 1: take me under his wing and just you know, not 1326 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,200 Speaker 1: he's not someone who's gonna, you know, I want to say, 1327 00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,360 Speaker 1: give you like a lot of instruction, but it's more 1328 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,400 Speaker 1: like he'll just kind of let you watch the way 1329 00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,080 Speaker 1: that he handles situations. And I'm that's how I like 1330 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,960 Speaker 1: to learn anyway, like just just I just like to observe. 1331 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,400 Speaker 1: So he would allow me to kind of be around 1332 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,200 Speaker 1: for a lot of business type situations and just kind 1333 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,240 Speaker 1: of observe how he handles it. And so I learned 1334 00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:52,120 Speaker 1: a lot that way. And I don't know for a fact, 1335 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, if this was a factor in him putting 1336 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,200 Speaker 1: out his book. But I did a chapter on j 1337 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:02,440 Speaker 1: Prince in Books and it's I probably went like a 1338 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,680 Speaker 1: little left field with it. I mean I definitely put 1339 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,480 Speaker 1: a lot of extra context, but I just felt like 1340 00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,440 Speaker 1: it was a great story and it also helps you 1341 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:13,200 Speaker 1: understand what was happening at the time when Pimpsey got arrested. 1342 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,080 Speaker 1: It was I believe it was nine days earlier. There 1343 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,960 Speaker 1: was a congressional hearing, or maybe it was the Senate. 1344 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:24,480 Speaker 1: I don't remember. There were large government hearings about rap 1345 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,640 Speaker 1: a lot because there was a huge, like de a investigation. 1346 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,240 Speaker 1: They were determined to find and they couldn't find anything, and. 1347 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,240 Speaker 2: They were following them. And I mean, I remember he 1348 00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,200 Speaker 2: told he told a pretty crazy story that Joe Rogan. 1349 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,920 Speaker 2: I was just like, yeah, it's pretty crazy. 1350 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:44,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. The Senate is part of Congress, right, I 1351 00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,600 Speaker 1: should know this clear. 1352 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,120 Speaker 2: No Congress, Congress of the Senate are different. That's a part. 1353 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,600 Speaker 2: They're the part of the judicial branch. 1354 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, the Senate hearing would be it 1355 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,160 Speaker 1: was a congressional Senate hearing. I think I'm saying that 1356 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,240 Speaker 1: there's there's like a three hundred I don't know, it's 1357 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,520 Speaker 1: like a three four hundred page transcript of that hearing 1358 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,960 Speaker 1: is like the craziest thing I have ever found on 1359 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,680 Speaker 1: the internet. And I read it all like this is 1360 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,480 Speaker 1: fucking amazing. I have to make this a chapter. But 1361 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,320 Speaker 1: when you understand, you know Pimpsy at that time, he's 1362 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,960 Speaker 1: beefing with master P. He's running around talking a lot 1363 01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,520 Speaker 1: of shit. He's wearing a rap a lot peace. And 1364 01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,680 Speaker 1: the DEA has been investing, like they spent who knows 1365 01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,880 Speaker 1: how much money. They had all these agents on full 1366 01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,440 Speaker 1: time payroll for like a whole summer trying to find 1367 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,240 Speaker 1: something on. So they're investing a lot of money, the 1368 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:37,560 Speaker 1: federal government, the Houston Police, they're investing a lot into 1369 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,240 Speaker 1: trying to find something on this company. And so Pimpsy 1370 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:45,280 Speaker 1: is representing this company well, and he and so he 1371 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,720 Speaker 1: got in an altercation with a woman at a mall 1372 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,960 Speaker 1: and all he did was allegedly like flashed a pistol 1373 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,240 Speaker 1: at her because she's she said something about master P. Oh, 1374 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:54,880 Speaker 1: I don't fuck with you, I fuck with Master P. 1375 01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,040 Speaker 1: And he showed her he had a pistol. In Texas, 1376 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,520 Speaker 1: that's aggravated assault. 1377 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 2: Really, he never touched her. 1378 01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:01,280 Speaker 1: She wasn't injured. 1379 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,560 Speaker 2: It feels like she was a booster. It feels like 1380 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,840 Speaker 2: a not a non Texas thing to be aggrevated. I 1381 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,880 Speaker 2: feel like in Texas, you know what I mean, I 1382 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,400 Speaker 2: feel like, you know, I feel like in Texas day 1383 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,000 Speaker 2: they'll they'll give you a tax break if you flash 1384 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,800 Speaker 2: your Yeah. Well, now it is that back then. It 1385 01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:18,680 Speaker 2: wasn't for sure. 1386 01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,920 Speaker 1: Back then, well, he just had he had really terrible timing. 1387 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,840 Speaker 1: When you look at you know, what was happening in 1388 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 1: the criminal justice system, mass incarceration. The DA is investigating 1389 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,320 Speaker 1: rap a Lot, So it helps you understand how he 1390 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,200 Speaker 1: ended up in prison over this relatively you know, minor situation. 1391 01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,760 Speaker 1: But I say all that to say, you know, my 1392 01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,440 Speaker 1: book came out and then Jay, I believe, had done 1393 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:42,280 Speaker 1: a draft of his book with Jasmine Waters, and so 1394 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,000 Speaker 1: I think it it may have prompted him. You know, hey, 1395 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:45,800 Speaker 1: if I don't tell. 1396 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,400 Speaker 2: My story, you know it's somebody else. Somebody else is 1397 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,320 Speaker 2: going to tell it and tell your own story. Yeah, 1398 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:50,360 Speaker 2: you got to control your narrative. 1399 01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,360 Speaker 1: So when I talk to him, I mean the whole 1400 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,920 Speaker 1: you know, rap a Lot from the beginning has always 1401 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,320 Speaker 1: been about doing an independent same as Ozone. So he 1402 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,720 Speaker 1: obviously he in a position where he could get a 1403 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,800 Speaker 1: publishing deal and you know, get a check to just 1404 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,120 Speaker 1: put it out through somebody else. And I said, well, 1405 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,760 Speaker 1: you know that doesn't really fit your you know, the 1406 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,840 Speaker 1: rap a Lot spirit, that's the way. So I had 1407 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,800 Speaker 1: learned a lot about the distribution side doing my own book, 1408 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,760 Speaker 1: nobody wanted to give me a publishing deal for pimp C. 1409 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,000 Speaker 1: Everybody in New York publishers are like, who what pimp? 1410 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,280 Speaker 1: So I put it out myself, learned a lot, and 1411 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:29,560 Speaker 1: so I basically helped him create a publishing arm book 1412 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,480 Speaker 1: Publishing Arm of rap a lot to put out the 1413 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,840 Speaker 1: book independently. So yeah, that was a great. Uh. We 1414 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,960 Speaker 1: had a great run doing doing promo and stuff for that. 1415 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:38,800 Speaker 1: We came and did your show. 1416 01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,960 Speaker 2: Yep, yep. I was gonna say, is it because because I. 1417 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,360 Speaker 1: Think when it did the Daily Show that was the 1418 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,000 Speaker 1: highlight for me. 1419 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,880 Speaker 2: I was wanted to go to Trevor. Was it John Stewart? Yeah, 1420 01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,120 Speaker 2: shout out to Trevor. I love Trevor. Noah, I don't 1421 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:48,880 Speaker 2: know who's gonna do it now. 1422 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,960 Speaker 1: Actually it was BT Awards weekend. We that was a 1423 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:52,640 Speaker 1: crazy weekend. 1424 01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,120 Speaker 2: We did twentiesen T Awards. 1425 01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,560 Speaker 1: After party eighteen twenty eighteen. Yeah, I think that was 1426 01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,320 Speaker 1: the year I climbed over the fence to get to 1427 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,800 Speaker 1: Jamie Fox's house. Might have been the year. Maybe it 1428 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,960 Speaker 1: was a year. Yeah, I had to get into the 1429 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,440 Speaker 1: after party. Any means, I'm gonna hop this fence over 1430 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,680 Speaker 1: and then went to the airport to fly to New 1431 01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:11,760 Speaker 1: York to do the Daily Show. 1432 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,760 Speaker 2: And yeah, that's crazy. I was gonna say, blue Choo. 1433 01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,520 Speaker 2: That's right, ladies and gentlemen, it's getting hot outside. That 1434 01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,640 Speaker 2: means I don't know what that means. It's just hot. 1435 01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,240 Speaker 2: So I feel like when it's hot, people want to 1436 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,160 Speaker 2: fuck more. Right, So, you know, fellas if you're dealing 1437 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,720 Speaker 2: with the rectile dysfunction, it happens to the best of us. 1438 01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,920 Speaker 2: I'm sure. Maybe you are old, Maybe you are dealing 1439 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,360 Speaker 2: with stress at work. Maybe you don't want to sleep 1440 01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,120 Speaker 2: with the same lady that you're married. You over and 1441 01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,960 Speaker 2: over need a little extra motivation. They get that thing. 1442 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,840 Speaker 2: Stand up, you know what I mean. 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Let's get back to 1458 01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,800 Speaker 2: the interviews with Like, So now we see J Prince, 1459 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,320 Speaker 2: he'll get on social media now, right, I. 1460 01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,440 Speaker 1: Gotta say that was he didn't want to have an Instagram. 1461 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,200 Speaker 1: I set up his Instagram, so you. 1462 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:45,240 Speaker 2: Said him up, he's into it, because now he's into it. 1463 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:46,480 Speaker 2: Now he'll be on there. 1464 01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,200 Speaker 1: He'll be he'll be I don't know if that's I 1465 01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,840 Speaker 1: don't know if that's him personally, but he'll. 1466 01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,360 Speaker 2: Be by the pool, he'll be. You know, I love 1467 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,800 Speaker 2: when J. Prince throws his like you know, he'll he'll 1468 01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,040 Speaker 2: put his little like he'd be wise if you you 1469 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,080 Speaker 2: stood down, you can read in his voice, right, like 1470 01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,240 Speaker 2: what he just said about the NBA young boy. I 1471 01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,080 Speaker 2: was like, I just hear it, hear him speaking like 1472 01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,000 Speaker 2: I'll read the caption in his voice, as I say, 1473 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,560 Speaker 2: what would in your opinion be or not even in 1474 01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,560 Speaker 2: your opinion, but as you know him, something that you 1475 01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,440 Speaker 2: think is the biggest misconception about J Prince Because I 1476 01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,160 Speaker 2: feel like when I met him, he just seemed like 1477 01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,240 Speaker 2: such a nice guy. And I feel like when we 1478 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,200 Speaker 2: think of J. Prince, we think of this like figure 1479 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:27,560 Speaker 2: that you got to go to Texas, you got to 1480 01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,640 Speaker 2: check out with J Prince or his son. But I 1481 01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,000 Speaker 2: feel like there's a whole side of him that not 1482 01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:32,200 Speaker 2: a lot of people probably see. 1483 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,960 Speaker 1: That's a good question. I mean, I mean, he's he's 1484 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,640 Speaker 1: a very smart, you know, really really smart guy, knows 1485 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,440 Speaker 1: how to maneuver, and yeah, I don't he's not a 1486 01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,720 Speaker 1: big you know, boogeyman or anything to me. I mean, 1487 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,680 Speaker 1: I guess if you listen to internet commenters, that might 1488 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,520 Speaker 1: be the that might be the perception. 1489 01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:54,040 Speaker 2: But I mean he he also was I mean, I 1490 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,960 Speaker 2: want to say, one of Floyd Mayweather's first managers. So 1491 01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:02,000 Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, he's he's he's got got. 1492 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,120 Speaker 1: His hands in a lot a lot of stuff. Definitely 1493 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,040 Speaker 1: very savvy businessman and uh yeah he's been good to me. 1494 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:14,560 Speaker 2: Shot to J Prince, what ended up leading to Ozone 1495 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:15,800 Speaker 2: magazine ending. 1496 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:18,320 Speaker 1: The recession? 1497 01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:20,919 Speaker 2: Uh so like eight o nine? 1498 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:25,520 Speaker 1: Was we stopped in twenty ten? And yeah, I mean 1499 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:30,520 Speaker 1: it was it was really just budget label budgets not 1500 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,200 Speaker 1: really being what they were making sense anymore? Right, Yeah, people, 1501 01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:38,800 Speaker 1: a lot of labels otis money. And I think I 1502 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,680 Speaker 1: for me personally, I think I probably was over it 1503 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,400 Speaker 1: a while before that. I mean for me to have 1504 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,760 Speaker 1: I did it for eight plus years, For me to 1505 01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,560 Speaker 1: do anything for eight years is like a lot a lot. Yeah, 1506 01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,640 Speaker 1: I tend to want to just get on to the next. 1507 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,320 Speaker 2: What was the last issue? And was it was it? 1508 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,360 Speaker 2: Was it marketed as the last issue? 1509 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,960 Speaker 1: No, I want to say it was ross, but. 1510 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:02,680 Speaker 2: You didn't did you know it was going to be 1511 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:03,880 Speaker 2: the last issue? Or was it? 1512 01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:04,080 Speaker 1: Like? 1513 01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,640 Speaker 2: No, yeah, all that guys, that's it guys. 1514 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,000 Speaker 1: I was pushing to keep it going. But yeah, I 1515 01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,920 Speaker 1: mean there was there was a certain point where definitely, 1516 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,840 Speaker 1: like the label budgets just kind of dried. 1517 01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:14,760 Speaker 2: Up, right, And that was kind of such a lifeline 1518 01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:15,640 Speaker 2: for your business? 1519 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,960 Speaker 1: Was I think I was? I was intending, I mean 1520 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,360 Speaker 1: I tried to do like some TV stuff, and I 1521 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,600 Speaker 1: was intending to kind of spin it into something else. 1522 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,360 Speaker 1: As far as the brand and then that At that 1523 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,440 Speaker 1: point I started traveling a lot overseas. I went on 1524 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,560 Speaker 1: tour with flow Rider. We went to like every continent 1525 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:34,520 Speaker 1: you know. 1526 01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,840 Speaker 2: For me, yeah, it energy bags. 1527 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,960 Speaker 1: I was telling somebody recently about like one of the 1528 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,560 Speaker 1: places we went, like Malaysia. Like you'd go to some 1529 01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,320 Speaker 1: country you've never heard of before and they would have 1530 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,600 Speaker 1: like five police escorts lined up to take us to 1531 01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,960 Speaker 1: the hotel and there'd be like the hotel staff I'll 1532 01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,640 Speaker 1: be there with like warm rags and champagne to welcome you, 1533 01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,600 Speaker 1: like a line. It was like next level stuff, and 1534 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,000 Speaker 1: I think for me it really showed me like at 1535 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,880 Speaker 1: that point I was probably still trying to like keep 1536 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,880 Speaker 1: the magazine alive, but it was like I can't really 1537 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,600 Speaker 1: to produce a whole magazine every month, Like you are 1538 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:13,840 Speaker 1: married to that, Like that. 1539 01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,680 Speaker 2: Is right, and you want to see the world, you 1540 01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,000 Speaker 2: want to have life experiences. Yeah, I want to go. 1541 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:19,720 Speaker 2: You know. 1542 01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:25,240 Speaker 1: We went swimming in the Great Barrier Reef Australian, So 1543 01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,040 Speaker 1: it kind of opened up for me. It opened up 1544 01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,040 Speaker 1: a lot more like, oh, I can actually have time 1545 01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,360 Speaker 1: to like do stuff besides just editing twenty four to seven. 1546 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel like social media for me, it 1547 01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:38,840 Speaker 1: allows me to do a lot of the things I 1548 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,679 Speaker 1: was doing with Ozone without having to pay a printer 1549 01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,439 Speaker 1: every month. You know, I always wanted my work to 1550 01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,799 Speaker 1: be seen like photography and just kind of have a voice. 1551 01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,519 Speaker 1: So it was good times. It served its purpose then, 1552 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,479 Speaker 1: and then also social media came along, and I think 1553 01:08:54,520 --> 01:09:00,639 Speaker 1: once artists could put their own platform, have a platform 1554 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,880 Speaker 1: to like express themselves the way they wanted to. You know, 1555 01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,160 Speaker 1: that's kind of the purpose that. 1556 01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:05,760 Speaker 2: Of a magazine. Hey, I want to go do this 1557 01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,559 Speaker 2: interview because I need to. I need to really need 1558 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,559 Speaker 2: us correct. Yeah, correct the narrative and yeah, now they 1559 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,160 Speaker 2: can just they're like overexposed now they use they're overexposed 1560 01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:20,720 Speaker 2: for sure. Have you considered doing like a podcast or 1561 01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,640 Speaker 2: anything like that in terms of like, as you know, 1562 01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,200 Speaker 2: you have so many stories you could tell, You have 1563 01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,200 Speaker 2: so much you could talk about, you have so many relationships. 1564 01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,320 Speaker 1: A lot of things that I'm working. I am doing 1565 01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,559 Speaker 1: a podcast, not about myself necessarily. 1566 01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:32,719 Speaker 2: But they told us a little bit about that. 1567 01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:36,200 Speaker 1: Scripted podcast series. I can't can't quite that put out 1568 01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,960 Speaker 1: there just yet, but coming soon I will have a 1569 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,519 Speaker 1: photography book out at some point, tell some of my 1570 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:43,919 Speaker 1: good hip hop stories. 1571 01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:44,920 Speaker 2: I love it. 1572 01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,519 Speaker 1: I do have some good stories. You've got some good 1573 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,400 Speaker 1: stuff out of me. Yeah, you felt like I've done 1574 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,000 Speaker 1: a van Life podcast Van Life. I know, we do 1575 01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:51,599 Speaker 1: tour from there. 1576 01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,280 Speaker 2: Do a YouTube channel, the Van Life thing. There's I mean, listen, 1577 01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,120 Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of Van Life YouTube channels, 1578 01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:58,559 Speaker 2: but that ship is interesting. 1579 01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:59,320 Speaker 1: You would have time. 1580 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:06,080 Speaker 2: It's just I just like, oh, fan life Van Life. 1581 01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,479 Speaker 1: Department has been suggested before you. 1582 01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:12,200 Speaker 2: I saw some guy turned a coup and some guy 1583 01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:16,360 Speaker 2: I'm just like my algorithm on YouTube is like lived 1584 01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,840 Speaker 2: in a corvette for thirty days. And there's like a 1585 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,280 Speaker 2: guy who put a sink in the passenger seat of 1586 01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,600 Speaker 2: his corvette and like lives in the back seat. No, 1587 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,960 Speaker 2: it's not even a Corvette, it's Camaro. And then like 1588 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,439 Speaker 2: the trunk, the back seats I cut out, so he 1589 01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,439 Speaker 2: like lays half his body in the truck. 1590 01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,479 Speaker 1: It's I mean, I've been working on the podcast in 1591 01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,320 Speaker 1: the you know, in the van. I love that I 1592 01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,679 Speaker 1: could like I could go, you know, hype some mountain 1593 01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,400 Speaker 1: in the morning and then actually get some work. 1594 01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,680 Speaker 2: Done, yeah, and not have to Yeah, and you're kind 1595 01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,519 Speaker 2: of not distracted. You can focus. I love it. Well, Look, 1596 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,920 Speaker 2: Julia Beverly, we appreciate you coming through. 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